2020 Week 10 Recap

should not interfere with your your actions. It always makes me a little bit uncomfortable. And Greg gets close on the mic. Whatever it is the inflectionment of his voice. I don't know, a little creepy. That's all guys, keep you on your toes. You do you do, and that's why we love you. Greg. It's the flagship show week eleven. How about that played all the games that didn't even get shut down by one pandemic incident? So we're flying.

What is week ten that we don't want to We don't want to get you know to where we'll be next Sunday at this time. Um, Yes, a lot of great action to get to and as Greg alluded, to their with the close talking on the mic the ending of the year, I believe maybe to this point, absolutely, But I'm gonna go ahead, let's say that will not be beat. Now, surprise me to go out there our league and surprise me top it. But I don't know if it gets topped. What happened in the desert in Glendale.

I mean, what's going on with Hail Mary's in that stadium in Arizona. It's crazy. No, I thought that, Josh. I know we're gonna probably get to it a second, but it's like that Josh Allen throw I thought was the throw of the week. All right, yes, listen, obviously we're so excited to talk about it. I can't wait to talk about that Brown's game to Mark you hang in there. It a little later in the show, No more barn it's been burned to the ground in Cleveland. Uh,

what an affair that was. But yes, before we get to another Cleveland Browns victory, let's start with the a forementioned. That's two alf forementioned games of the year. Game of the year. Let's go clean it up. Twenty five yards downfield, Murray back to throw, flushed out, rolling left in trouble, slips a tackle, gotta launch it. He does left side into the end zone jump ball, and it is Is it caught? Is it cost? Oh? My goodness, son, DeAndre Hopkins caught it. He caught it for a tockdown with

one second lap. I can't believe him. You've got to be joking me. Hopkins reaches up with three defenders around him, head pulls it in and the card goes laid at thirty two to thirty with a second lap, you can't comber. Duke Dave passed. And of course that was the Wolfman Ron Wolfie for kt K T a R. And he

got a hand to him. Those are real broadcasters. If I was calling that game and if it was my team, because I'm sure they're rooting for the Cardinals, so let's say if I'm rooting for the Jets and that would happen, I would be like, holy fun. Can you believe what just happened? He caught the mocking ball. Well, that's why you're doing this job. It's no credit to them for holding it all together. The Hail Murray, that's what we're

calling it. That's what I'm calling it. Copyright Mike Tariko Kyler Murray to DeAndre Hopkins, we thank you for your service, Bill O'Brien. Kyler Murray was flushed out of the pocket, rolled to the sideline, unfurled the perfect ball fifty yards downfield, and then Nuke showed why he's one of the best, grabbing that ball away from three Bills defenders. Game winning score, final score, Cardinals thirty two Bills thirty. Unbelievable. And you rewatched the play, and then we all did. We watched

the replays. It seemed like the Bills did almost everything right. I saw Dungee and Chris Sims on the NBC pregame show getting getting on Buffalo's defense a little bit for playing too much coverage underneath when they should have been

focused more on the back end. But at the end of the day, they almost got Murray for a sack, came that close, flushed him all the way out of the pocket until he was falling out of bounds, heaving the ball up in the air, and then had to he had hoped they had Hopkins bracketed in coverage with a third guy flying in, and it still didn't matter

because the best players won the damn games. It's ridiculous because the catches, you know, one of the great catches we've ever seen, and you feel bad for Trunavious White, you know, in all pro you feel bad for Jordan. Jordan's poyer, who I think this year is a pro bowler, because those guys are posterized. I mean they people aren't kind of blaming them for that loss, but they have their men, they have pride, and those pictures of just

Hopkins reaching above the three Bills defenders is real. But on top of one of the great catches we've ever seen, Murray's play was unreal. He not only did a little hesitation as he's scrambling to his left as a right handed quarterback kind of does the little pause that that makes I think it was Jerry Hughes dive at him, but could be wrong. There Um to evade the sack before throwing it while sprinting to his right like and

then putting it in the exact right spot. Obviously, you get a little bit of luck there um that you have someone as good as DeAndre Hopkin, but there's nothing lucky about the ability to be able to throw on the run like that all the way to the end zone. I mean, it's almost very, very very few people, maybe only the guy I mentioned before, Aaron Rodgers, could make a throw like that. I think it's like an incredible um intersection between two teams that see each other once

every four years. They were so different four years ago, and they'll be so different when they meet again. Um, two teams that have aggressively built around their quarterbacks. Because the story of the game was almost Stephen Diggs, the free agent acquisition of Buffalo making what would have been a game winning catch. Instead it becomes um new Copkins. Uh, you know, the the biggest trade of the off season and paying off for these teams. They built around these

two young quarterbacks in such an effective way. I mean, and the idea to go get Kyler Murray when most people thought that that was an insane idea because you had Josh Rosen on the roster. So these are aggressive front offices. Um, it is paying off right now. And Kyler Murray is just simply a complete pleasure to the eyes watching him play and change the quarterback position. Um, you know, right before our eyes, the quarterback position is

completely changing. And you know it's good timing because on Thursday I didn't get much back from you guys on it, So maybe I was reading it wrong, but I kind of gotten the vibe this year that despite Murray taking the leap, it's almost like everyone assumed he was going to do it going into the season, so when he did do it, there wasn't as much of a hullabaloo around it, whereas Lamar Jackson's leap last year there was a little more like, is this guy gonna actually be

that guy? And then what he was? It just built into the mania around his second season. But I think you also saw with the two the two touchdown runs by Murray, uh this pass that we are watching someone that should absolutely be in the m VP conversation. And I think he moves ahead of Russell Wilson after today. And he is an absolute transcendent talent that we you don't see every every decade. That and we have Patrick

Mahomes and Kyler Murray both in this league. I don't think that we've seen two guys entered the league within a few years of each other that are this special, uh really ever, And on the bill side, you know, Stevan Diggs was a trade also and they got that they gave up a first rounder to get Diggs and Isaiah Mackenzie, the Bills receiver. You could pick it up

on the parabolic mikes. When he went to celebrate with Diggs, who's saying, that's why you're here, That's why you're here to win games, and he nearly with Josh Allen because Alan deserves critics. Was a great throw, uh save the Bills from what would have been um well as a loss either way. But they were flaming out in the second half with tons of penalties and misques and just not sharp at all, and it just looked like the Cardinals were gonna basically walk to win because the Bills

fell apart in the second half. So the fact that they were able to dig out of that, get out of that funk, make an incredible play and then somehow still lose there there. Now they got the Dolphins right behind him in the ANFC East, and you have some scar tissue because this is about as bad as the lost gets in the regular seas. I mean, Dolphins Bills

played each other Week's seventeen. I wouldn't be surprised if that's for the division or if Miami potentially isn't even a game ahead at that point, and you're right, it was a trade for digs. But think how many bills teams of old would have gone and gotten digs and you'd be in a dark timeline where none of it's working out. So I you know, I still give I give them a ton of credit for that. But I look at the Cardinals and say, they can beat any team in the NFL, they can beat any team in

the NFC. I would not want to draw them in the playoffs at all if they're on their game, well their box office. I mean, think of these games they're putting up for us. That that Seahawks game was bananas. Last week against the Dolphins, which they lost was insane, and then this one. I don't really trust their defense. It's why I thought they were gonna lose this game. Um, they did make a couple of plays. You know, you can talk more about it, Dan, just you watch closer.

They did force some turnovers by Josh Allen. I don't necessarily trust. I wouldn't put Kyler Murray had rust quite yet. I mean the first month. It still matters, but he was struggling passing the ball. But I don't think it's an exaggeration to say, there's a solid chance Lamar and Kyler Murray are the two greatest runners that have ever played quarterback now and the position is changing. It was really well said Mark. And maybe there's gonna be more

and more quarterbacks like this. Maybe maybe there won't, but he he is gonna take a chance at breaking Lamar's rushing record from a year ago. And just the way he can make people miss is outrageous. And he's he's got more talent in terms of his arm the Lamar Jackson as he hasn't been I wouldn't say consistent throwing this year, but he's been good enough in the offense is perfect for him. And uh and one final shout out,

I mean, I don't want to understate that throw. That throw by Josh Allen was one of the best throws I've seen any quarterback made all the year. He threw it from the opposite hash at the thirty. It's a no hole there there there, that's one of the like a very few arms in the history of the NFL are even strong enough to make that throw. It was

a ridiculous throw. Before we move on and listen, Bills Mafia, if you must skip ahead about thirty seconds, but I do want to hear the call from John Murphy of w g R. Hit it. Ricky pressures rush for Buries in trouble, gets away from it, rolls to his left, fires it downfield, puts it up for grabs and it is caught. Caught, caught for a touchdown. Unbelievable, caught by DeAndre Hopkins, surrounded by a couple of those defenders. He went up and brought it down. Unbelievable, incredible, one second

left on the clock. Yeah, Bills lose. Who very professional by John Murphy. Yeah. Together, And the real hero of the call was Steve Tasker. He added, Bills lose. Let's move on at the sound they run it right side Malcolm what a whole. He charges into the end zone with a touchdown line of scrimmage and found the paints hanging there. Bill's Mafia still first place. JB Long our

buddy KSPN with the call. The Rams delivered a wait for it, Greggy statement win our Sunday at Hollywood Park, shutting down the powerful Seahawks offense and getting two rushing scores from Malcolm Brown Win Greg. The Rams have been a tough team to size up to this point, What did you learn about them today that I had that their cornerbacks right now, Darius Williams and Jalen Ramsey make a bigger difference in a offense first league than any

pair of cornerbacks in the league. You know, Darius Williams a guy who picked off Russell Wilson twice today, one of one of them in the fourth quarter. To me, was the key play of the game and was just an incredible read, an incredible play, and he's made many of them. I would have him as a Pro bowler. I would say they've got two Pro bowlers right now, and this is a guy they picked up up the scrap heap for Baltimore. He's a third year player, but

he's been incredible all year. And then you have Jalen Ramsey on the other side. They're leaving him single coverage against DK Metcalf the whole game, and Troy Aikman is losing his mind that Russell Wilson will not throw it to Metcalf, will not trust his guy one on one to Ramsey. That's the kind of talent, that's the kind of respect that Ramsey um in genders and he is playing like an all pro cornerback right now. So Russell Wilson was scrambled. We can get into that. But I

think a really good running game. I'm glad we highlighted that, you know, to begin with. From the Rams. They got Jared goffin good situations and a really good defense right now has them as the most complete team in the NFC West. It's a three way, so I don't know if they're the best team. They're they're certainly the most boring team of the top three, but they're the most complete team. Well, I mean boring can be okay, I'm

with you that they don't. They don't um, you know, capture the imagination necessarily, and they don't look like the most complete team in that division to me at times, except that there are fatal flaws with Seattle's defense, like

where is the weakness? I guess you know. When I watched like them get taken completely apart by the Dolphins, it just left me with a lot of questions about the trajectory of this Rams teams that game against the I understand, I understand, but it was more about how they put Golf into a really tough situation that he wasn't unable to get out of in that game the way they pressured him, but to start fast with a

field goal and two touchdowns today. And you know, I always thought that the Ramsey trade was rich um in terms of its cost, but if you have one of the few players that can do what he did today to DK metcalf and you know, Steve Weisch talked to him after the game and Ramsey is just like, I'm gonna to tell everyone about this game plan and what we were gonna do, but he had to keep a

lid on it. But it reminds me of when the Niners had when the Seahawks had Richard Sherman back in the day, and he just erased wide receivers against San Francisco and UH teams teams out West. I'm not gonna this is absolutely gonna sound like if you're a Seahawks fan, um sour grapes from me. But I'm just keeping it real here. This was an interesting matchup with the defenses because Jalen Ramsey acquired for two first round picks. Jamal

Adams required acquired for two first round picks. Jalen Ramsey because he's a cornerback. A race is DK Metcalf. Now that is the type of talent and the type of game changing type player that is worth giving up two first round picks. I wonder if Seattle could do it again, if they would still surrender those picks to the Jets for Jamal Adams and Greg You you had your eyes

on this game. I know that Adams had what looked like an up and down day, made some plays near the line of scrimmage, but also uh struggled on a one running score by the sea by the Rams. But I just I think that's notable that this is a game that featured these two guys that were involved with blockbuster trades and involving two ones. Now that's a fair point, because there's no question Ramsey's more valuable, you know, if you're comparing, and it was similar what they gave up.

Adams had two sacks in this game. He heard his shoulder. I think that's why he pulled up a little bit um, which is you know you do not want that, and he talked about that a little bit after the game. Their defense played fine, though, I mean the game ended with the Rams hunting three times in the second half and turning the ball over there was every chance for the Seahawks to come back in this game. They only give up twenty three points. I mean, it might have

been their best game of the entire season. The Seahawks defense certainly was in terms of points allowed. Russ Wilson had by far as worst game. I mean, I know he said that this is now three out of four games that he's had three turnovers or more. One of them wasn't on him. It was a bad snap today that they charged the quarterback. I don't like it. By the way, why you should give that to the give it to the center. He throw us throw a ground

volunteer quarterback's ankle and the quarterback gets a pull. That's beside the point because Russell Wilson's first interception was got awful. He could have run for a first down, maybe a touchdown, and he makes a crazy decision and it was It was part of what I think was the most memorable part of this game, which was he was foggy mentally the whole time. I can't remember him having such a bad game. Six that he took six sacks, twelve quarterback hits.

A lot of those were on Russell Wilson was not getting rid of the ball. Maybe it was what the Rams were doing defensively had him scrambled um, but he was kind of seeing ghosts. He like there was four or five times where the blitz was coming and he kind of turtled and just like waited for it to

get there and had his eyes down. And at the end of the game, he's taken the lay of games and they're barely moving the ball when they have to hurry up, And it was like, if I didn't know any better, I was worried, like he wasn't all there or something, because he was just so so different than

the Russell Wilson you're used to. I find it interesting though, that you mentioned that you thought he was still hanging around atop the m v P race, because I feel like the last two weeks this is such a narrative driven award that he's melted away in that control beyond narrative driven, just results and these are impact games in the division where it four toner overs last week, and then what you're saying just now for well, I like I do try to think that the m v P

race really gets going around now around Thanksgiving and right now his his bad month. Um or three weeks or whatever. It's been hurt some badly. But I think he's in it because he was so good the rest of it. And you know there's Rob you know, I wed put Rogers and my home's ahead of him right now. But I don't think he's out of it. People people overreact, I think to one week or two. If he goes off for the next month like he did in the first month, I don't think people are gonna be saying, well,

it's over too late. The season does not start until I do. I don't mention one last thing in this game which could crush the Rams. Andrew Whitworth left which with an injury that looked like it parted the season ender. I mean, we'll we'll find out, but just by the the replays, it was pretty brutal there, and that's a killer. He's the left tackle and all Pro having an all

Pro type of season. Big difference between this year's team and last year's team, besides Todd Gurley, is that the offensive line has been healthy and better this year and take away the left tackle. Look out thanks Giving back after this he brought one back for a touchdop on year this rap Wow, that perfect Jimmy Cephalo w q A M with the call. Every week the Dolphins seemed to get a game turning play from their defensive special teams.

That happened again. Miami's block punts set up a short touchdown and to a tongue of Byla one for the third straight time as a starter with another efficient performance in a win. Mark. That's five in a row for the Dolphins, who have some serious mojo right now. Yeah, and I picked that highlight of the UH turn over there it was a blocked punt. UM that's set up a Dolphin's touchdown too, for exactly what you mentioned that. I think this is just such a well coached team, UM.

And when we talked on our preview show that you could see a mirror reflection at times between Brian Flores and and Bill Belichick. I think it comes down to really detailed the details. The special teams UM have made an impact every week, and you know every team focuses on that, but there are squads that float through the year where it doesn't appear that that UM, they lean on special teams to make game changing plays and this one it did. UM. That's set up a touchdown. I

think the Dolphins were held today by Salmon Akhmed. They're running back, undrafted guy. They've had, they've had issue issues in the backfield, injuries, UM, just not a real lead after there. Um he came in and played really well, and I thought that he you know, for and undrafted back. He gave him some foundation they've wanted to give to a ground game. Um, it helped a little bit today.

I'll tell you something else on the special teams, like on the next on the next drive, where Miami was essentially um Miami, they were charging down the field and they were they were set up. They were up seven nothing after that initial uh you know turnover that set up the touchdown, they're just gonna go for the field goal. And the Chargers are sort of the opposite to me of the Dolphins, where I see a lot of questionable book,

questionable coaching, a little bit lack of discipline. They had a key offsides on a fourth down UM field goal attempt by Miami. It's set up first down from Miami, and Miami scored again. It was fourteen nothing and then Greg, to your point, the one mistake on Miami's part that kept this thing closer than I think it would have been otherwise. I think the doors are about to come off. Um A center snap um to two that was botched.

It was not two his fault at all, but it kind of bobbed out from away from two about eight yards back and the charges were turned it deep and made it fourteen seven, keeping it close. But this Dolphins defense erased Keenan Allen until basically a final touchdown on you know, not not garbage time, but with the game out of hand. Uh, you remove Keenan Allen from this offense. Justin Herbert, I think was made uncomfortable, which links me back to what happened with Jared Goff when he faced

the Dolphins. They find a way to put quarterbacks into tough spots happy again today. This is a really well coached team. You know, I was looking at the playoff seedings and all that stuff. The Dolphins were a you know, a figment a few weeks ago. They now sit in right in that in not in the hunt, but they're in that wild card race, having shoved the Browns and others out of the picture. So I would take this team very seriously. I think Bills fans should be, you know,

looking around over their shoulders. This team is coming at them. How about two a f C East teams gonna make the playoffs, I believe, and the Patriots aren't gonna be one of them. What a change that they're like the special teams. It's funny how you can go into this game thing and this is the biggest mismatch you'll see all season and special teams and then and it happens. I mean, the Charges are the worst special teams in the league year after year, and the Dolphins are getting

it done, uh pretty much every week. That the fact that they're winning game. They've won two games with two of where they didn't even you know, gain over three yards, that's pretty special. Like Herbert, like I was just looking at it, seems like it was the worst day of his career. And they're not helping him out by trying to turn this into the Kalin ballage revenge game and running it on early downs like Anthony Lynn likes to do. Well. They miss Austin Nichola. I really think that it will

help to have him back, you know, both quarterbacks. Herbert made some awesome throws in this I just wasn't enough and the in the game flow went out of the went out of the out of the way for the Chargers to Uh. I mean, I just think he has um. It was not his best game and the numbers don't look great. He just moves really well outside of the pocket. It's kind of crazy to think that he's only played a couple of games. He seems um to process really well and Uh, he puts a couple of these balls

just totally on the money. I mean, he's not scared of throwing a tight windows. He had a a toss today to Adam Sheen, who um, uh, you know, wonderful catch, but the throw was just an absolute dart and I think Dolphins fans should feel incredible hope for the first time in a while, there is There was a throw early in the game where Too was flushed out of the pocket and on the run dropped one over the linebackers and just out of the reach of the coverage

men in the secondary. To Mike Jasecki, that looked just like Steve Young And that was the whole thing around to Uh entering right as he was getting Trevor Lawrence Lever level hype in college is when uh he busted up his hip. But that's what the That's what they say. He's potentially like a historically accurate dart thrower and a guy that um just can play efficient week after week. And that's what he's looked like. Herbert through just for ad and eighty seven yards on twenty of thirty two

passing and uh we mentioned Anthony Lynn. Now the two and seven the Chargers and the season obviously is slipping away this This was a four game for the Chargers. They really kind of needed this, uh to find a way to just be on the periphery of the wildcard race. So you wonder if this is a team that is headed towards playing out the string status even with someone's

fun as justin Herbert to watch. I saw something in the athletic this week they really thought was going to be the key year for Lynn and that that he had a pretty good job security. You know, the seven games a long time and things could change. I think it depends on how Herbert's playing, because I would be call about changing coaches in the system. If Herbert is playing lights out down the stretch. We had seven games, That's that's a long way to go though, so it

could go bad or good. Yeah, all right, let's move up in motion. Trish Godslin, Brady hard Count hands the ball off Rocho pops at three across the fat head to the fifty twenty ro n to the thirty ro Joe to the forty ro joe to the fifty ro joe to the forty ro john to the thirty high stepper of the twenty and it'll be a ninety eight yard touchdown run by Ronald Jones. Listen, I could touchdown Tampa Bay. Wow, that's why they paid Dave Moore to be the color guy in that boot. Dugger off w

f us with the call. Ronald Jones got some great blocking up run and then he did the rest, setting a franchise record with that ninety eight yard touchdown run as the Bucks ran away from the Panthers final score. You know, despite breathless reporting over the weekend on tarmac issues involving the team plane and then you know some you know, borderline lazy analysis early in the game. Oh Tampa Bay. Really, you know, it all goes back to

the tarmac and they're after slow start. Oh jeez. The you know, between the media and the guys in the booth, they are obsessed with planes. Being stuck on tarmac, just gone down, let the game play out, because the Bucks absolutely assassinated the Panthers in this game. On defense, They've rolled up over five yards of offense and uh greg, they put last week's embarrassment against the Saints behind them.

They did. It was such a great response by their offense, specifically because Ronald Jones fumbles the ball on the second play from scrimmage for the Bucks offense. And you know, the Panthers taken early lead, and the Panthers often scored their first three times they had the ball, but the Bucks after that Rojoe Fumball did not punt again the rest of the game. They scored every single possession the rest of the game, nine straight. And I think if you're a Bucks fan, you want to see the offense

carry the team. Now was against the Panthers defense that struggled to stop basically anyone but five forty four yards to one eighty seven yards, and they had that little stretch in the third quarter, and we've seen this from the Bucks. It kind of reminds me of the Ravens a year ago, but in a different way where they could just molly wap a team for about fifteen minutes and then it's suddenly over because they just have so

many talented players. They put up all these points in such a dominant um game, in a game where I think you could say that Brady was up and down, but he had he had his playmakers, including Antonio Brown, including Chris Godwin, including Mike Evans, including Gronk all makes sensational plays for him. And so if they're gonna carry him, and then the defense finally, um, you know, started making plays and forcing turnovers in the second half, then they're dangerous.

It doesn't and this doesn't like show me they're going to go win the Super Bowl. But it was important considering the last two weeks that they had had. I mean, I think it quieted another narrative which I found annoying, that you know, when you add a player like Antonio Brown, I don't want him to be playing football necessarily, but that he would throw off the chemistry and there would

be you know, another receiver would be erased. I mean, looking at the box score here, they're all productive in a game like today, Miller has been erased a little bit. I think potentially here, well that's fair, Rahie Miller has had four yards. So it's not a great it's not a great job, which is a bummer because Scotty was having a nice little season to start. But it's I mean, but why not go upgrade your roster um if you can.

I don't I think, you know, whatever, we can get into all the business about whether he should be there or not. But um, he clearly, you know, six grabs off seven targets. He does have chemistry with Brady um And I don't know, it makes me look at some of these results we get, like last week's Saints game and just say aberration. I'm willing just to completely wipe it off the map. I mean, I don't. I don't know what what to take of that. When I see them,

I mean, they pummeled a wanting defense. The Panthers have been playing really hard, but they you know, they are not there defensively, and today exposed them. Um and again they're just hoping to stop you in the red zone, and that that actually worked today. The Bucks were only four of eight in the red zone, including I think they got stopped four times inside the ten. Usually a defense is like, okay, Ben, don't break. But it's a problem if they're in the red zone every single possession.

I mean, they also have five touchdowns, so I don't think. I don't know if the totally stopped them as bad as it was Cain's defense. Yeah, it could have been so much worse, Brady, and you alluded to it, Greg. He missed three probably you know, touchdowns, one on a deep shot for Antonio Brown early that should have gone for six where he just was way off on it.

He threw high to Mike Evans in the end end zone on something that should have been a touchdown, He missed, gronkled on another ball that could have been a touchdown. They kicked three field goals from inside, you know, twenty five yards, So you're you're actually, if you're the Panthers, you're lucky that you don't get a sixty burger handed to you here, right. And my my take on the Panthers right now is they are they're getting there. They're

getting there, but their defense needs multiple players. And I see your smirk, Mark, I'm not I'm not doing a victory lap. I don't know. I mean, I like, all I'm saying is the Panthers as fun as they are from week to week, uh, they have they have work to do before they are actually a good team. They are not a good team yet. Well, I would say this, this is not a game you could point to because you can't close a game when you're you know, getting

your doors blown off. But they've struggled to close games. That's that's you know, the next step from maturity for them, from coaching staff to players on down. But um, I wouldn't put this into the category of last week where they gave the Chiefs a scare. I mean they were just completely overpowered. Well in the first half. Um, I think you could point to it like that was Matt Rules coach of the Year real because I think Teddy

was pretty off in this game. I swear he he was playing about as poorly as you possibly could for being twelve or twelve, which is crazy, but his like the location on his passes were just consistently off, and they were still moving the ball and they were scoring you know, drive after drive against this Buck's defense. But then the second half they had thirty five yards and six drives and Teddy got hit low on a on a play. But the game was over at this point.

But it should have been called as one of those low hits that they created the penalty after Roethlisberger tours a c O and the minute I saw it, I was worried he's getting an m r I. He left the game. Hopefully it's not too serious that it's not worth guessing. Maybe it's a multiple week thing, maybe it's more, maybe it's less. We'll see, but you know they're gonna They're three and seven and that's a rap if if Teddy's out, yeah, that that's a four game for them

and they've lost five in a row. And Teddy just just to note, it is not the knee that exploded on the practice field with the Vikings, so that's good. It's not messing with that knee. But whenever there's an m r I, and by the time you listen to this, dear listener, hopefully there will be a good news on that. But we don't have that as of right now. All right, let's move forward. I mean, alright, he's on the tarmac. We've all been stuck on the tarmac before. It's not pleasant.

But nobody like checks in with Joe Blow the next day. It's like, hey, you struggling today because you're playing you know, needed needed to be the ice, and then the de icing agent didn't work. These guys are overcoming a lot more than a little tarmac to like where am I? Like? Where are the articles and the breathless coverage when the quiet storm is stuck on the tarmac. Now there's back

to Connecticut, there's no report. Well, I mean I haven't been there in twenty years, but there's no reporting about that on any level. Um. And it makes you realize what you are at the core compared to the Bucks, just an average run of the mill human um with a very very low on the antenna of I know, we gotta stay on track, but I just I hope if anyone in the media is listening to this show, the fact that this was the top headline. I need the end yesterday, and I'm sure at NFL dot com

too on Saturday. We don't need we don't need that because it's really not that big a deal ultimately, I mean the proofs in the pudding. The Bucks damn near scored seventy points today. Car hand off, Jacob spreading over the left, he's got it walking and ship Baby, what's going on with Brent Musburger in the desert man dog, there's something going on like a Walton White situation. He's

enjoining it. I mean, what a way to wrap up a great career, you know, which isn't to say that that he's cooking meth and becoming a drug king pen There's a level of swagger that he has in his old age, and I don't remember him quite having when he was talking about the Bengals backup quarterbacks girlfriend. I don't know anyways, kr LF with the call what was that guy's name? A J. McCarron still with US Texans, Right, Yeah, that good? Yeah, he's The Raiders are a good football team.

Josh Jacobs had a hundred yards rushing in two touchdowns by the end of the third quarter, and the Vegas defense intercepted Drew Lock four times and route to an easy, easy thirty seven to twelve win. That score exactly encapsulates the type of game that went down here. Uh they Vegas, As is becoming increasingly clear week after week, there a team that can bully you if you're not physical, and Denver was simply not up to the challenge of what

Josh Jacobs in this running game had. It was a game where Derek Carr in the passing game, we're not in sync. Nelson Aguilar dropped a touchdown pass, Darren Waller dropped what should have been a walk in like sixty yards score, But it didn't really matter because they were able to move the ball on the ground and the defense suffocated Uh Denver's offense. The Raiders limited the Broncos to zero yards in the third quarter. Denver only ran

four plays in that quarter. And Uh and Luck and Locke, who was getting beaten up all game, just takes away. He's a cow boy. He and not a Dallas cowboy. He takes way too many chances and quite frankly, without being too hard on the boy, he's not good enough to take many of the chances he does. He killed him with turnovers today. This seems like a grooting dream. They had the ball for thirty seven minutes. Um. The

run game has been ferocious weeks in a row. Uh, you know, I think this is like with each passing week my faith in the Raiders, Um it grows. And if you're John Elwayne, you've just come back from your Corona scenario, your quarantine, you've got to be looking at Drew Lock insane? Are we back here again? Are we back here in the search for another quarterback? It's not just you, Dan, I had like a I have a bunch of friends in Denver and they're all basically saying this,

ain't it? This guy is not the guy. Well, I've noticed that on Twitter. I tweeted, uh, something like, you know, I wrote, Drew Lock, I don't know man, and then a bunch of Broncos fans instead of coming after me hard like which was happening early, everyone seems to be getting to a place where they're losing faith in which he hasn't played a lot, but still there's too many. He has ten interceptions and seven starts. Oh yeah, Our super fan Eric Jansen is totally uh, he's totally bailed

on this guy. I look, if Lock, if Lock had played even remotely last year like he's played this year, they wouldn't They would have gotten a quarter they would have gotten a new quarterback. You know, it's in a different system. They didn't have the offseason, and you know that could be everyone's excuse. Then he gets hurt. But all you gotta all you can really evaluate is how he's played this year. And based on how he's played this year he's been he's kind of been a disaster.

There hasn't really been um good things to look at. The defense is, you know, slowly crumbling by the week because of injuries too. And yeah, the last seven games, that's what they're gonna be is an audition for him. I do think it's worth pointing out for the Raiders, they're missing both their starting right they're both they're starting

tackles who are like Pro Bowl level tackles. And so that's why sometimes when injuries, you know, are used as an excuse, it's like good coaching and good good teams can overcome it. That they're still playing this well without those guys. It's awesome. They've played three division teams in their last three games, the Raiders, and they've won all three games, including of course the win in Arrowhead that started that streak. And I think they get the Chiefs

again next week. Yeah, so they have a chance over the course of four games to sweep their division, which would be wild. Now if they go and and the Chiefs are coming in their building off a bye week, if they beat the Chiefs, then we're gonna be talking about the Raiders as legitimate, feared contender in the a f C. I don't think they're quite there yet. But the fact that we can look ahead to that game and say, oh, that that's gonna be a fun watch.

That shows you the progress that John Gruden has made in his third year with this team. So another nice performance by the Raiders. They're feeling good. They're six and three, they are on track for a playoff spot and the Broncos it's wait till next year. Once again. Let's move on for the goal line set hold off folks, Camaro off left tackle and stop the fourth of that one the goal line Alvin Camara from a yard out in the Saints convert the turnover to a touchdown. Third of

the day for Alvin Camera He deserves it. Kamara squared knock one, not too but three three, three touchdowns, adding another monster performance to his m v P resume. You don't want to put him on the m v P alright in the top five. Put him on that list. As the Saints coasted to an easy uh win over the Fork forty Niners, who will not be defending their conference title come January. Market ice win by the Saints, but some concerns after Drew brees how to leave this

game with an injury. Yeah, I'd be concerned. He's another um M r I candidate. He's gonna get one tomorrow, gonna get an X ray. Um it was ribbs Uh cantavi a street um was flagged for roughing the pastor. I actually think um another debate around that hit was I don't think that was roughing the passer by its um dictionary definition. But point aside, Breeze came up looking, Um, have you ever broken a rib? Like you can't really

breathe that that's what's going on with him. Like he just was like hunched over and did not look good and like he he came back in and played a little bit, but then after halftime he basically told Sean Payton he he couldn't do it. He was complaining to back pain too. So, um, we'll see they play the Falcons next. We'll see what the status is right there. Uh. Not in love with what Jamis Winston did. Um in

the game, a lot of short passes. I think that you'd see a different Jamis Winston if there was a week to prepare a little too much tastom Hill from my liking, I've moved into that camp where I feel like he takes He plays some really good games, and he does things really well. We all know that. But if you're gonna have to figure out this situation, there's a lot of plays where on the there on the field at the same time, you know, and I just I don't know if Winston and Hill need to be

cool you're replacing if you're doing that. Um has been an iron man and the fact that he wasn't able to go back in the game makes you wonder if we're gonna get Jamis Winston in starts. What did you see from him? Well, like I said, I thought that they didn't really unleash Jamis Winston. It was a lot of short passes, um, you know, with Kamara playing the way he was, Uh, they kind of just sort of game managed their way through the second half. This wasn't

a dominant effort. I thought. The Niners, who you know, like the Niners feel like they can give you a quarter of and a half of inspired football with a backup quarterback and a bunch of nobody's um. They opened the game with a seven minute plus drive with a touchdown that I thought, this is interesting. They're hanging around in this thing. But to point again to special special teams, the Niners had two killer muffed punts where they lost the ball both times they look. Both of those led

to Alvin Kamara touchdowns. Uh. Nick Mullins through a terrible interception as well, and that kind of was the difference. The Niners mistakes. They're just not able to be who they are. Not prime San Francisco and know not Unlike in Carolina, I can have my coaching fascinations. Um, you know, Kyle Shanahan can't coach around Sean Payton even with the backup quarterback. With some of the stuff that's going on

in San Francisco, I thought it was um Uh. The star of the game to me was the Saints defense. They had eight QB hits, two sacks, the interception, the Malcolm Jenkins pick I mentioned of Nick Mullins, and they really just dominated. They dominated. San Francisco. Was sort of an ugly win, but um, you'll take it. I mean they had two hundred and thirty seven yards of offense the Saints. So they've won games in different sorts of

ways this year. I think Saints fans were very happy to get this sort of win just because of how it played out. And I we'll see they can't win like this each and every week. But their defense has been stepping up. Uh and so you you like to see that Chimera is a running back that matter. You know who else matters Raheem Moster like they have really missed him for the forty niners, like no running games since since most dire it goes down. But it wasn't

just Breeze. They lost at at some point seven different starters in this game to injury, including Marshawn Lattimore, Andrews Pete and uh Cede Deuce Johnson. So that's that's a problem. Like if that if we'll see how serious all of these are, but that that could be a rough day for they're banged up in Gardner Johnson. Um had an excellent game. I mean he just keep he kept making pivotal plays in this So losing guys like that Um comes with a huge cost. I'm looking at the NFC standings.

The Saints have not lost now since Week three. He had a six game winning streak three or four straight years. I don't know if it's three. That's ridiculous, that's awesome. And they right now they're tied with the Packers for the best record in the NFC. And remember there's only one playoff by this year. You have to win your conference essentially in the regular season to get that by. And I look at the Saints upcoming schedule and it looks pretty good, looks pretty good. They host the Falcons,

I know the Falcons are playing better. They go to Denver and we know the Who's have a ton of problems right now. Then they go to Atlanta, then they go to Philly before they get the Chiefs, and what's gonna be an awesome Week fifteen matchup, Uh that Tony Romo and Jim Nance will be calling. So uh, they seem well set up for another thirteen or even fourteen win season if things break their way. But Drew, the

Drew Brees thing is something to watch here. Saints fans are not feeling confident about sweeping the Falcons, that's for sure, because the Falcons have played them great in recent years and the Falcons are playing grey right now, So that's that's a tricky one. If Drew Brees is out, Greg would watch Saints Falcons like sixteen weeks in a row and then they never complain. He best revalry in football.

Let's know it's no hand off runs right, that's Bills car he runs left and he said for the touchdown thirty four yards for Daniel JONESY faked me out again that Jones goes around the left end and this time he does it fall down and it's a giant. You know who We've heard from a lot on the show in the last five weeks, Bob, Papa, A w F A n just the Giants playing better. Who's the best team in the NFC? Least who jam Daniel Jones thirty four yard touchdown gave the Giants to leave. They would

not relinquish seventeen over the Eagles. The Giants puli even in the wind column of Philadelphia and now sit just a half game out at first place despite and owen five start. And uh, you know this has been this is something we teased on our Thursday preview show that the Giants have slowly and quietly, I've been put it

together since that windless start. Their defense has been um pretty good, averaged pretty good during this stre uch, and the offense when Daniel Jones is not turning the ball over and I know Greg has created a new rule in the NFL. If you fumble it doesn't matter, it's still a bad thing and it should be penalized. When you talk about a player, well, he did not lose a turnover. Uh he did not turn the ball over

for the second straight game. And when Danny, let's put him in the Canyon of Heroes, you know, when Danny Dimes does not does not turn it over. Uh they have a good chance with that defense and a running game that's now come to life. Guess what. Guess what? They got Wayne Golden in the house doing things and and and Danny Dimes. For all the mocking and derision, he set the team record for rushing yards from a quarterback today. Uh so, a hundred sixty yards on the ground.

Uh So. A nice team effort by the Giants, is what I'm saying. And the Eagles, I mean, they're on fire right now. It's just it's bad if Carson Wentz and I know I just said the Eagles. The Giants defense has been improving, but I mean, come on, I mean, you gotta make some plays. You gotta, you gotta. You cannot be throwing high all game like Carson Wentz was he wasn't the reason they lost this game, and he wasn't playing the type of hero ball that's been getting

him killed this year. But there's just nothing special about Wentz this year, and when they need him to be specially, it's just not there. It's crazy. How is he one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. I mean, it's hard to it's hard to understand the Gettleman, the Giants general manager, got some grief for saying, you know, they're the best two and seven team he's ever seen. But I get what he's saying. They've They've led by ten

points in in six straight games. That's pretty you know, you have to be pretty good to do that, and they've had some bad luck. But you have seen this identity when alf Morris is making plays and that was more a week ago, um, but this week, you know, he had some good runs and then Gallman is making plays like you're getting some sort of identity. I don't know. If the Eagles are half game back, it really hurts

my brain. You know. I like to think of myself as somewhat mathematically inclined, but like, what is three and seven I'm still compared to to the three, five and one. I think that's a game. I think that's a game game.

There are two losses back, who the hell's two games in the lost column, But then there's stuff and yeah, I think, but I think it's interesting that, like, um, you know, the Giants maybe snuck up on people a little bit because you know, we had boll Wolf on timely time to have him come on and talk about

Wentz and his issues, which um, rayeh on. But I I feel like I heard a lot of chatter like all right, the Eagles coming off there by this is when they really turn it around, and we get this just a lot of version of wins, people handing them the NFC East, which I understand because you've got a lot of um, you know, hideous teams in there. But the Giants look like the better coach team to me over the last month or two. And you know, Daniel Jones, is that streak of um turnover free games will end?

I think we know that will end at some point point. But they it just seems like guys like Wayne Gallman like stepping up and playing looking like a different players and they did a year ago and for this Giants team, So I I wouldn't be unhappy at all to see the Giants not only win the division, but win a playoff game. And we talked about it with Jones when when he fell in that Thursday night game on the seventy yard breakaway run against the Eagles and a game

that they lost and had no business losing. The Giants and imagine if they won that game, they really be going nuts right now. But you know, that was his butt bumble and it's something he's gonna have to overcome. And even Bob popa was who's paid by the team, can't call that touchdown run without referencing his fall. So like Jones's baggage, and he has guys that, you know, Greg not like singling you out, but people in the national media that doubt him and feel like he's somebody

who's a problem. It's it's still wait a second, it's still it's still early. It's still early in the Daniel Jones evaluation process. And now that he's putting together a couple of games without the turnovers and he shows you this crazy speed and he was called sneaky fest on the telecast. It's not sneaky. He has got to do with thing he can. He got up to twenty two miles per hour on that fall. He was twenty miles per hour on that run. That's close to what running

backs do. Uh. He has tools to be a good starting quarterback. And I'm really excited to see how he closes out this this season because I'm with you, Mark and that he's had us ups and downs. But he's an intriguing prospect at quarterback. He really is. I agree this game was massive because I think they would have had a hard time crawling out of a hole. But

now it feels like it's wide open. So this is they have the worst record of any division in NFL history through ten weeks um, and if you look at it, they've actually had played a ton of division games compared to other divisions. So the Giants, for instance, are three and two in the division that's there oh and seven out of the division, so they only have one division

game left. There's not that many division games left in this NFC East, so it's like if you could just get one or two out of the division, that's that's gonna be enough. Because the Eagles, at some point, I was just hopeful they would come back and look like a totally different team. Um, but they've just looked like one of the five worst teams in the league the

whole season. They're broken. I would note that the Giant schedule is no picnic now there by then they've got the Bengals manageable obviously, Seahawks, Cardinals, Brown's Ravens, and then you close with the Cowboys. So, um, you know we're gonna get us five or six win team winning this division, which I find painfully delightful in a strange way. And my last thought on the Eagles. You have a healthy Carson Wentz, you got Miles Sanders back today. You have

Jalen Reagor first round pick wide receiver. You got Travis Falgan who has been a real surprise. He's healthy and playing Dallas. God got it in the lineup. And you go over nine and third down most the tenth without a conversion in a game by any team this season, the first time the Eagles went zilch on third down since two thousand four. I mean, maybe we get maybe we get a you know, another um, Doug Peterson autobiography after this season, Um, just to recap what's been going

on since the Super Bowl. Doubtful I don't think it would sell very well in Philly. But can't take away that ring. Mark Sessler can't take it away. Let's move on. Here we go to win it at fort field time twenty seven three seconds to go, mule box to snap fox the whole. Here we go, snap spot, kick away. It is up, He's got the distance. It is God sent it through the fifty nine yards up and the Lions are settle ready at midfield right. Called by Dan Miller, w j R. Matt Prator wears an ear ring. He

also wins football games and dramatic fashion. The veteran kickers fifty nine yard bomb from midfield was true, producing the winning points for the Lions and win over the football team Greg the Flying Patricians. There was sipping mimosas after surviving a near collapse. Yeah. I mean, I don't need to hear anymore from Lions fans that they're unlucky. Between this and the Todd Gurley didn't fall in the end zone game, they feel pretty lucky to have gotten a

couple of wins over the last month. I wanted to give me something. I wanted twenty to give me a nice Alex Smith comes from twenty four to three down and leads the Washington football team to a victory with a keep to leave on the mic, just enjoying the hell out of himself, which is what I like to

hear from my broadcasters. Jonathan Vilma was another good one who who you could just tell like enjoys the game and even if it's not as like as polished as your Trent Greens of the world, it's like, give me someone who loves football came through. WHOA what a subtweet there of Yeah, that was at Bowler. That was an intentional choice. It was. It didn't It didn't give it to us. Um they had they had a chance to win.

Alex fit throws for three ninety yards, played pretty well throughout the game in Washington, had the ugliest two minute drive I've ever seen to try to win a game. Seventeen plays in two minutes, tons of tons of penalties. They end up kicking a field goal and leaving a little too much time for Matthew Stafford and the Lions really only won the game because Chase Young had one of the dumbest penalties you'll ever see, hitting Matthew Stafford late,

which set up the game winning field goal. Where Chase Young, by the way, because Mary talking about we were just talking about on Thursday show. But the Tuesday show, the mid season predictions, everybody had Chase Young as the defensive rookie here where at He's been very quiet over the last month and and so I I don't put him there. I certainly would put Julian Blackman or I have to go look at it, but he's been quite over last month.

That the Washington football team had one quarterback hit today on staff for that was the most surprising thing of the game was he had tons of time. It only came from a safety. I was really surprised to see Detroit kind of dominate up front and give the ball to DeAndre Swift and he played great. And that that's the best thing to feel if you're a Lions fan

other than the wint Patricia's. Somehow, somehow, Greg has the Lions at four and five, which does not feel like where the Lions are right now, because there's been a lot of doom and gloom and quite frankly, and it comes from this podcast too, but the Lions fans and everyone else that covers the league of frustration around this team's inability to uh get better and improve during Patricia's uh time. But four and five is not a terrible place to be in mid November, No, with some winnable

games coming up. They have Carolina who might be without um Teddy Bridgewater and another very winnable game right after that where I think they'd be favored. And the problem is, you like watch them, there's you just can't convince yourself they're a good team. That the Washington had twenty minutes a time of possession had twenty five uh twenty more minutes time of possession, had twenty five more plays like it was two to three, and I thought that maybe

Washington can come back. So if that's where you are with your team, like, you can't feel that good. I mean, so I got dropped off the mic here for a minute. But are you suggesting that I should now get back on said vehicle and chase this Lions carame They'll find a way to lose these games, right, I just I don't feel convinced. I Well, that's that's what Greg says.

I would say I would be willing to throw up some type of roadblock for me and a Kimes and company that would force their vehicle to stop, and then you can get the borrow catch up and then you have one last chance, and it's either now or never to be on the bandwagon. No more on and off like it's the San Francisco trolley. You have a chance right now, Mark on this podcast and week ten to be on or off. Yeah. Well, I mean when you put the words forever in Detroit Lions together, I'm staying

for this season. No, because here's the problem, Like, you've got to inspire me and I don't. I just they put me to sleep. It's it's here, the white Noise machine. Here's how it'll it'll play out. They're gonna beat um, you know, maybe they beat p J. Walker and the Panthers. It sets them up on Thanksgiving, the one day where everyone in America watches the lines. They're at five and five. They'll be favored against the Texans and everyone will be like,

you know what, the Lions are right in it. And that's where they leave. They lose a devastating game. I was gonna say, they will have a they will have a ten to thirteen point lead at halftime of that Thanksgiving game win and it will end with the Shawn Watson eating a turkey leg on some postgame shop and Kevin Patra throwing a whiskey drink against the wall and his whole family saying, Kevin, we think you have a problem. I'm not convinced Kevin like still gets emotionally attached to

these games now and thinks so. But I like the the imagery of him whipping a glass of whiskey against the wall. I just want to make it clear in this scenario that I've invented, it's not that the family is sitting him down saying we think you have a drinking problem. Okay, It's it's more an issue with his temper and explosive and can be problematic around other people. Well, I'm glad he's the only person that can be accused

of things like that. All right, let's move on. Good job Alex Smith outside one won't go out of bounds, and he does it, and he may go all the way and he does. Don't flags her down and Chubb he ran out of bounds, goes out of bounds at the one yard line. Dick Stockton with another classic call to add to his resume. There for Fox h Nick Chubb, don't go out of bounds. You don't have to build that. Nick Chubb ice the game with a long run earned

seven thousand. Nick Chubb is a class act. Tweets in the process, and more importantly, most importantly, clinched a ten seven win for the Cleveland Browns over the Texans, a game that was delayed by thirty five minutes by a sudden storm right before kickoff. Hey quiet storm, Mr Sessler, it must feel good to get your chubby back. Um. I love Nick Chubb. I think he's just the perfect fit for the Cleveland Browns. I actually, um, I probably will be losing my fantasy matchup this week because he

did that. But I thought it was smart football and I get the I I knew the classy stuff would get on your radar, Dan, and it got on my radar two Because it's like, we don't know I think he is a classy person. We don't know that he's classy because of that player team. It's still is funny when people equate that with a guy being a class act. No. Absolutely, but I think that is the Nick Chubb experience. I

would say this, I think that last year's team. Um, and I'm not putting maybe Chubb would have known to do that. Last year's team would not have made a savvy move like that to close out the clock. They would have found a way to give the ball back to Deshaun Watson. So I think there is a little bit of it where where there's hope in Cleveland, it's it's in the coaching where I think that they worked

themselves out of a bad game today. This game started thirty five minutes late because of insane wins uh and it's still finished before Washington Detroit. These teams wanted to run the ball, burn the clock and get out of there. And I wrote down my first note because you write all these notes during these games. It was like, I can't think of a game where I came out of a game. UM learning with my opinion not changed about either team at all. Um, Deshaun Watson did Deshaun Watson

things the best he could. I think that they're wide out group is UM has done a nice job in the in the post calamity of trading New Copkins, They've been a good group. And I thought they were gonna win this game. I mean, all they needed was to two scoring drives basically to get it done. And they just couldn't. They couldn't. But it's not the credit of Cleveland's defense. In my book, this running game in Cleveland is completely different when Chub is there, and I we

saw in Wyatt Teller at guard. I mean they they are the first m Brown's tandem to both cross a hundred yards in a game Cream hunting Nick Chubb since nineteen sixty six. And they've been some good running backs in Cleveland. That's who they are, That's who they've not been able to be the past couple of weeks. Um, I I would say it's I give them a solid B in this game. Um, they have a lot of issues.

I don't look at them the same way that I look at the Dolphins or other teams that are sort of I think record aside becoming something special before our eyes. I don't feel that way about the Browns. Um that said this is a game they would have lost in the past. They got they took care of business right, and I mean they've won six games and they've still got the Eagles and the Jaguars next, and they finished their season with the Jets. I mean it's like Cupcake City.

They have really rolled out the red carpet for this Brown's team to come make the playoffs. You know, they have some other tough games, but I'm just saying, you just gotta win a couple of those. You have to not blow And I know that makes you nervous, Mark, and it would too, because the a f C is shaping up in a really interesting way where there's a huge division right now between teams with only three losses and everyone else. There's nine teams with only three losses

that are six and three are better. So there's nine teams that have really good records. So the Browns are gonna have plenty of competition to try to make this playoffs. But but you would want to have to try to earn it, and with the schedule that they have, they have to feel good because they haven't tripped up on these games. Really they have, and it would be a bummer if they had lost these two totally weather affected games, which stand out is maybe the two most weather affective

games in the entire NFL this season. So at least you just split those and move on and hopefully have some normal games. Yeah, I think they get to tenants said, and they should get there's a road to ten and six um. If any any of these teams that sneak into the NFC playoffs, they've earned it, you're not going to get um, you know, an embarrassment in there. So we'll see what happens. I like, you know, games like this.

I can't assess Baker Mayfield because the wind was insane, but he did not look to me like the difference making quarterback. And there's been a couple of been too many weeks like that, been a couple of good ones too, But but I think they've they've got a lot of thinking to do behind the scenes about what kind of contract or extension they'd ever give him if this is who he is. The range of outcomes with next week's

Brown's Eagles matchup is out of control. I mean, there's two teams that don't make any sense um from week to week. Or well, maybe the Eagles are just bad, which the Browns are not, so you would think they should win that game anyway. One little thought exercise here, gentlemen, because we all know Greg more than anyone that, in addition to Chubb going out of bounds at the one um altering the final score, it changed everything in the desert for people that are inclined to track things that way.

But here's the thought exercise. And I blame Todd Gurley for this because it was such a big story that I think it. It definitely was in Nick Chubb's mind as he was going down the sideline fifty nine yards and then stopped the four, going the sixty, I throw the touchdown. What's a better um? What gives you better

odds to win a football game? Going up sixteen seven, and let's assume the point after so being upset eventeen seven with sixty seven seconds to play and a horrendous wind swept day where the opposition has done nothing on offense, or being up ten seven deep in the opponent's territory but needing two quarterbacks, center exchanges and kneel downs to ensure victory. I would I would guess that the odds are very close to fifty fifty, and if it's even close,

just going the damn end zone. Just a thought exercise. Why don't think it matters? You're you're right, which is your people? No? I know, I mean in terms of winning now, but no, I think going out is clearly the more obvious the better, because nothing can happen right, Yes, you can mess up. I'm true, something can happen. But when was the last time with that someone blew kneeling on on the ball. I can't remember it ever happening. Well, then we really know even when they hand it wasn't

that a handoff? Wasn't that a handoff or something? Just saying that was a runout? It was like it moved, it moved you into like percentile you know barring. Yeah, what what is Let's let's find this out. Actually, I want to come back to this on Tuesday. So it's interesting to me if we could find data all this malarkey with the wind probability, what's the wind probability of seventeen seven with one oh seven to play? Basically almost no difference, but the differences you're giving up a slight

chance of a touchdown in an kick. I would also assume, I would assume that, like with all these analytics heads inside of every you know, front office in Cleveland has three hundred of them, that someone was on someone's mic saying if someone breaks away here, get out of bounds. The averages side with getting out of bounds, right, I mean, what are what are they doing? Snide offering them widing down. Yeah, they're they're telling them, don't score ideal touchdown there too.

Although you ended up in this weird world we now live in, in this Twitter Twitter echo chamber, he was celebrated more for not scoring, So it would have been right, I think as a brother, I don't think it really mattered either way, you know, but yes, if he had done like a summersault while like doing like a big like eating, you know, everyone would have loved that. I wanted him to score, you know, you know, punch it in. But you know, this is what you get for keeping

easter By. We see you. It was like, oh, you'll hire a GM. We know who's hiring that GM. It's Easterby. You're getting the mad bad the torch that I'm not allowed to run around with at this point. So I appreciate that. Too hot for the Mike Rosenthal. All right, let's move on. Rogers looking the left side of the end zone, flip tell you Adams touched down Green Bank. Oh what a beautiful play back by Aaron Rodgers. Wayne

Larvy w t MJ with the call. Nick Shook now joins us Davante Adams did what Davante Adams does scoring a touchdown on the Packers need one. His TV grab in the fourth quarter was the difference, and it's over the Jaguars. Pat Lambeau shook. I know, hopefield advantage was like fun and happiness in general eradicated by COVID nineteen. But how the hell did Green Bay let the Lute

Night's hang out? It was only as weird games. I mean, every once in a while you see a team that is clearly superior play a lesser team and not necessarily make mistakes, but just things kind of unfold where the lesser team manages to stay in the game. A punt return for a touchdown makes what was going to be a runaway game a close game, and it just kind

of unfolds from there. And that's really what the Jaguars did for the most part, um until the latter stages of the game, when you actually had to put the ball in Jake Luton's hands, and well we saw the result. I mean, he's he's simply not the guy. But I mean I credit them for for battling and and and for sticking around in the game long enough to make

it competitive, but ultimately the better team won. They have to be thrilled that Marquez feld is scantling um put up the kind of game he did that it's not just DeVante atmos. But Aaron Jones came back. Um, you know, I'm looking at the numbers here. Not mind blowing, was it was it just sort of the way the game

went that he wasn't um massively impactful. Yeah. And it was one of those strange games where the Packers one time of possession by a small margin and it worked out in the jaguars favor and that it limited them from making their own mistakes. You know, the longer the Packers had the ball, um, the less of a chance the Jaguars had to make a game changing or a crushing mistake like throwing a pick six or something like that. And the credit of the Jaguars for limiting the Packers

ability to turn those into points. Um, for the most part, it was the Packers settling for three not being able to turn those possessions into touchdowns except for a few occasions. Um, and kind of just resulting in a closer game than expected. But I mean, if you watch the game on the field, for the most part, you could tell, I mean, you knew who was a better team, like we knew coming into this game, and it was just a matter of

them pulling out the victory. Not every win is pretty, and this is an ugly win for the Packers, but it still counts the same of the standings, even if it was against the Jaguars. I think it's interesting, um as I alluded to, with the home field advantage, like if if there's sixty thou fans going nuts at Lambeau in this game, you get the feeling it's just totally different.

It's this year is different without fans, and ten thousand fans in the stadium obviously aren't making that much of a difference, because I would guess because I think there has been a host of road teams that won again this week, and it's continuing to be a situation where UH teams on the road actually are fair faring better than the host teams and games. So I think there's something to that, UH and that's why games like this.

Although it's a little bit head scratching to me that the Jaguars were winning in the fourth quarter and even had a chance to drive for what I call go for the the ELI set up, which is where you're down four points not three, and you got the ball, and it's like scorp up down and win or lose. Unfortunately. And you know, as someone that's leading the lute Night's nick sell, I don't see anything magical on that last possession by the young passer. No, absolutely not. Um. I

mean he he is a depth. I think it maybe rolling to his strong side, to his right arm side and finding an open man, you know, seven or eight yards away. But I would expect most quarterbacks he reached the NFL to be able to do that. Beyond that, though, he's not gonna make a throw that dazzles you. He's not going to make the clutch throw for the most part, even the week prior his his most clutch play with him scrambling and then just spinning out of a tackle

to score a touchdown. Um, if you watch him on a pass by pass basis, it's very clear that this guy, um, you know who is who he is and was where he was in the roster. This is not the future of the Jaguars by uh any stretch of the imagination. And even if you take him and compared to Gardener Gardner Mitchew, who has not been very good this year. I would still take Gardner Mitchew, just simply in the fact that if I gave him the ball in the situation they were in today, he might make a few

more plays and make it a closer game. You're a bit of it. You're in a fixed stand. I mean you you've started this fan club. Um, it's already losing tremendous stea. It's more like Jake lu Tank at this point, and you know what you're gonna You have to stick with it. You can't just bail on this. You've got a lot of pamphlets to write. Um, you know, got

to get the mailing addresses up to snuff. I mean, I've tracked this for years, Mark, and what I've noticed with you is when times get rough, you just jump off your fan clubs. Why can't do the same thing. That's that's just inaccurate. I'm completely dug in on these David blow doing these days. Yeah, well, I mean the blower what were they called? Blow hearts? Not what were they called? What are they called? Because it's a vibrant

community and we know that our time will come. And when he goes silent because he's not being given a chance do you do you trust the Detroit I am blanking on that White Vikings running back Zach Center. No. Uh, Toby Gerhart, Toby Garhart, Yeah, where's the where's the Gerhart updates? That wasn't a fan that wasn't a fan club so much as just a slight fascination. Anyways, back to the back to the story at hand. It is shocking, but

before they need to not have these no shows. It's a little shocking to have sixteen first downs, punt four or five times, have two turnovers against the Jaguars defense. I mean that's a problem. It's great they win the game and hopefully it's not a big deal, but they've had a couple of no shows offensively, which is surprising for for such a good offense. Erica, you have another one that just came to mind. Yeah, Seth DeValve. What happened?

I mean Seth DeValve is one of the safety valves, set de Velove and you know Nick knows that Seth Develove is someone that is you know, not just gonna go away because he shipped his fourth or fifth team in as many years. Um TVD not a huge fan club. Losing steam. I will admit you've got it? What about

Bill Laser? Also a fan club under the moment. You know what can happen Monday night is Bill Lazer could Uh he's calling the plays now for the Bears, and he could take out Mark who locked up against the Laser. Burned by your own fan club. Very strong in uh in the community. Uh. He was a big volunteer guy when I was in the Browns. I always saw him at all the community events that I had to go cover as part of my job. We should mention David

back try. I gotta I think the biggest contract in the history of tackles on Saturday Night, Left left Tackle that was gonna anchor on Tuesday podcast Greg Way to spoil it happened yesterday. What do we gonna do it? I also just wanted to give a nod to James Robinson who continues to give a workman like effort and broke a hundred yards rushing today. I think he had what nine today? So alright, let's players in the late rounds.

There good breakdown of the game. Boys up next, fire us over the middle, Chase Clay Pool of a linkin crappate traffic for their Steelers and Levin yard touchdown. Bon Bell, scratching his head in the end zone, said, how did Ben do it? And how did you do it? How about the maple drown over the middle maple tron I like that nickname Bill hill Grove with the called w d V. Ben Roethlisberger carved up a host of Bengals reserves in the secondary for four touchdown to to Chase Claypool.

Do I believe that's nine and nine games this year? That's the rookie kids, because the Steelers cruise to we thirty six to ten win over the Bengals in Cincinnati shook. This looked like a bad matchup for Cincinnati based on the state of the roster, and that's how it played out. Yeah, based on the state of the roster and the fact that they can't protect Joe Burrow, who attempted eleven passes

under pressure today and completed one. I think he was hit a total of thirteen times, which is actually a lower total than I expected considering this Pittsburgh defense leads the league in total pressures as a team this year. But I mean, it was what you could expect. It was basically a tale of a team taking a lead with on the back of its defense shutting down the

opposing offense. The Steelers being that defense, converting that one of those turnovers that they had, they forced two turnovers in the first half, endo points and just suffocating the Bengals. They didn't have much to do of anything. They missed Joe makes It a lot um and Tee Higgins had a nice game, but for the most part, I mean, when you go over thirteen on third down, you don't have much of a chance in this game. And no matter how good Joe Burrows looked so far, I think

the Bengals produced a blueprint to shut him down. You have to have the personnel, of course, to execute that um. But for the first time I think this year, Joe Burrow looked completely uncomfortable for a large portion of this game. A lot of that had to do with the fact that they were from behind early and they were trying

to crawl their way back in. You had to drop back over forty times again, which has become a recurring theme for the Bengals, But largely their offense really missed Joe Makes It and they just weren't able to keep up. I think the rematches with the Bengals against the Steelers and Ravens matter because whatever positive spin you want to put on Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow and the season they're having doesn't feel right if they lose by thirty every time they play the Ravens. I mean they couldn't.

They couldn't they were the Ravens and the Steelers. I mean, they couldn't move the ball at all. They've been absolutely blown out by both of those teams, and then you know, they lost the Browns. So they're staring at oh and six in the division, even though they looked good almost every other week on offense, like you got to have an answer for those teams or else that it doesn't

really matter if you're looking good the other weeks. They've played everybody else tighth this season except for those two games. But in those two games, they were outscored sixty three to thirteen, So I mean it tells you where they are. They can hang and even beat any teams that are average or below average, but when you go up that weight class in your own division, it's they're just not close.

It seems like Pittsburgh and Baltimore not um not into the concept of Ohio football becoming the thing in the a f C North. Nick, Yeah, that's what I was gonna say that. You know, the same can be said of the Browns, who are six and three but got

absolutely destroyed by both those teams in similar fashion. It's kind of I felt like I was watching a less talented I don't know if that's necessarily the word, but unless equipped Brown's team playing this game today, basically every other Browns team we've watched before this season, yeah, except for the franchise quarterback and everything else was pretty much like It's like we have a perfect encapsulation through ten

weeks of what the af C North is. You have the two big dogs, the Ravens and Steelers, and they are gonna be neck and neck, and it probably will come down to the very end of the season. You know, the Browns that are clearly a step below those two teams, but clearly a step above the Bangles. It's all set up right there. We already know what we need to know. It helps with organization, I guess we understand what it is. The only two blowouts the Steelers have all year, I mean,

I think it's good. I think the Steelers have to feel good to have a blowout because they they've had too many of these these close games. But it's the only two blowouts they've had all year. Maybe they can build that. I think of like a team like last week, like Seattle had seven sacks, but it's like, okay when Pittsburgh we had four today, Like quarterbacks coming off of the Steelers game typically a loss every time, and loss this season, there's like a legit physical hangover to that.

The Steelers like damage teams and break offenses and then you know, you got talk radio going crazy the next day and whatever city dealt with Pittsburgh. Yeah, it like damages the psyche permanently. It takes weeks to wear off. It's like when you get out of college and then you go out drinking for the first time, and then then you have like a two day after effect. You know, it's not just that morning, it's the day after, and it might stretched into the next day. Happen twenty two

or twenty three. That's already happening to you, and it happened to me in twenty two. I'm far from twenty three now, but yeah, that happened, and you exercise apparently, so I don't Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor. I sit here in an office in downtown Cleveland and uh watch football, so you know I definitely have that degree. Right, Yeah, let's move on to Sunday Night football Sunday. Now, the past goos of

Myers and it's behind the line of scripation. He's gonna back he was and Pert pad will make the catch in the end zone. Oh those tricky paths. Al Michael's

with the call for NBC. Rex Burkehead pulls in the Jacoby Myers catch twenty four yard touchdown that put the Patriots ahead and they never gave up the lead, going away seventeen over the Ravens in rain soaked Gillette Stadium and it was terrential, especially in that final drive when I guess God decided the Ravens were not winning that game because that was mighty So, you know, Greg in a tough year um for Patriots fans who had grown accustomed to the throne of ease. Uh, it's it's nothing's

been easy. But this is stupid, stupid, But this is a nice win for New England, a bad loss of the Ravens and let me say this, Greg, we were a little dismissive of your favorite team after they went over the Jets. You had some comments that they really shouldn't be taken seriously, that they are so flawed and they were gonna get wiped in this game. But guess what, well coached teams that have some good players find a way. Yeah,

I'm I'm stunned. This was a game that was hard to see coming, like you know thirty one and D B O A and defense. Heading into the game, they hadn't shown much. The conditions absolutely helped them. I mean, they are one of the best power running teams in the NFL. It was perfect for a mutter like Damian Harris, who has come on in recent weeks, is a lot of fun to watch. Does not go down easy. They've had some young players step up, like Jacobe Myers. Their

safety Kyle Dugger played well tonight. But this is more of just like a team smart victory that you know, you we've seen from Bill Belichick squads over the year that obviously did not think they had in them. But it's considering the conditions and the opponent, like they're gonna be playing meaningful football now for another week they got the Texans and uh and you'll see after that. I I don't know if they can turn it around, but like this alone, to have that sort of classic Patriots

moment and that weather was was satisfying. Though. It was like an instructive UM film that might be used categorically down the line for center quarterback exchanges and uh, you know, shotguns snaps, I mean mark Ingram the Wildcats snap that was botched UM on fourth and one that gave the Patriots the ball back at the Baltimore thirty seven, The killer the killer missconnection between Lamar on on that one play that uh it led to fourth and fifteen where

he had to run back and dive on it. I mean, yes, it was terrible weather, but it was terrible weather for both teams, and UM they showed that Lamar Jackson is one in six in his career and now one in seven when they are losing at halftime, and I and and it's not a Lamar Jackson thing as much as this era of the Ravens, to me, UM is a team that needs to be in the lead and then they do all the Ravens things that make us so uh, you know, inspired, by them and think that they can

move on into January. But then when they when they get knocked back the yard or two when they get punched, they don't really respond the way that I would expect them to. And and and like I I put a tweet out just asking, like, who are the Baltimore Ravens. They have one quarter to show us, and all these Ravens fans are saying injuries, injuries, were banged up? Well you are everyone is. It's like, I don't really like I was kind of surprised that, um, most of the

mentions were just Ravens fans making excuses. They don't seem like a team that makes like that, that that uses excuses or injuries or whether at all. I think they see themselves as the equal of the of the Patriots, but they aren't um in terms of where we are today, I don't know this to me, I I knocked the Ravens down a tier or two in the a f C. I'm not sure I'd totally buy into the experience this season.

What do you think it is a recurring theme with this with the Ravens in the last year and a half. I mean, we can go all the way back to what they did in the playoffs last year and how they had an unceremonious and surprising exit and that lost

to Tennessee. This is a team, like Mark said, that cannot operate from behind with less than a quarter or less than a half of football to play um because it's and it's not necessarily an indication of Lamar's ability, but they just cannot as a team effectively pass the ball when they need to. Most they didn't. It was hard to throw. But tonight that feels like a weird criticism because he threw the ball really well, I thought tonight for the most part, here comes the Lamar defenders

out again. He ever did anything, he didn't do enough, he didn't do. What I'm saying is as an offense effectively when they are down and they need to do something outside of their their scheme, which is they are this powerful rushing attack, they struggle to do it. They struggled to do it against the Chiefs and they're lost earlier this season. And of course the condition tonight, of course they had an effect on and he had some drop passes and everything else. But my point is is

for a team that's a legitimate contender. They have found themselves in this situation a few times, and every time they've proven to be the same team, which is a team that cannot come back from a deficit when it needs to most. And I don't I don't know how you get on board with a team like that down the a long distance. Maybe they have, you know, the ability to jump out to a lead and dominated on the ground, but I can't trust a team like that when the games are close late in the year. Tonight

was unique because of the weather. I just mean, tonight is not the night I think. You look at it and you blame the Ravens. Best player. I thought Lamar Jackson played a really strong game, like one of his one one of his best throws. It was one of those nights where a lot, a lot of one went right for the Patriots and they they earned their breaks. You know, a lot of them were just good plays, you know, Rex Burkhead or James White or or Harris

making good plays on third downs. But I'm thinking of like the best throw of the night that Lamar had on the second to last drive, and it's taken back by a legal formation. The final drive of the game, he makes that great run. It comes back by a whole like he averaged over eight yards per attempt, and in a monsoon he had that one interception. He didn't play like amazing. He's definitely stepped down like a huge peg.

But I look at this game and I'm more worried that you know that the only thing the Patriots are gonna do is run the ball, and best on best, the Ravens are supposed to be good run stoppers. I know they lost Campbell and then they lost Williams, but the Patriots had it all over them and they won the situational football going into halftime with that trick play and then coming out of half time with the best drive that they had. So that was the Ravens defense,

which I've talked up a lot this year. They did not get it done. Neither did the Ravens running game. Really, it wasn't It wasn't a great game by Baltimore's defense. And and you mentioned it that the Patriots ran for hundred and seventy three yards. Damian Harris. He slowed down in the last quarter or so when they were stacking the box on him, but he was going off for like ten yards a clip at one point and listen, Lamar Jackson's gonna get criticism even when you don't think

he deserves it. But Heavy was it, Heavy lives the crown. Heavy sits the crown because he's the defending m v P of the league. And when you when you have set the bar that high, um, you're gonna be your name will be invoked whenever the team struggles. And the fact that the fact that we're in a situation here where every time the Ravens seem to get punched in the mouth, they don't get up. It's just not a

great look. And I that's at the end. I'm not even gonna get worked up about the last drive of the game because it was an absolute monsoon, but in general, like and this isn't literal, but they played like a team that just wanted to get out of the rain. Like the drive before that was whereas a Patriots fan, I think that the Ravens are going to go down the field and Mark mentioned it was that center snap, but I mean that killed two of their drives. That's execution.

That's teams dealing with Sam and the Patriots. The Patriots that executed in this game, and the Ravens did not. So the Ravens are a team that if you have doubts about them, they've earned those doubts because it seems to me, especially in these games where everyone's watching, that they don't always react well to them and it's just

not a great It's not a great sign. If I'm a Baltimore fan, I would just say, also where days removed from Lamar Jackson going on the rich Eyes and knowing this would become a headline moment, saying people are telling us like they're calling out our plays, they're diagnosing us pre snap, they know what we're gonna do. Our offense is not fresh. It's not something that's gonna surprise you. At this point. That's the second major player in their

offense is complained in the last three weeks. You tell me that Bill Belichick like is not seeing what Lamar Jackson voiced um even before he voiced it, and I would just be there just just some concern. There are just elements of concern around the Ravens that would leave me uneasy if I'm a Baltimore fan thinking you're gonna go twelve and four and hop into January. I don't think that the course is going to be that smooth,

um that blissful at all. It's gonna be tough to even really get into a good situation playoff wise, um at all. This is not three back their three back of those Steelers. That now is like a huge deficit. It's no longer like you just assume, Oh, it's down to those two teams, the Patriots, though, like I'm surprised, uh, like Ricky still has issues or she thinks Cam Cam is not good, Like I am loving the Cam Newton experience.

We know it's not Cam Newton from like as a thrower, um, but he helps make that running game go, and they love playing with Cam Newton. I did not think they had this sort of game in them. But like I, even if it's only for one season, to me, it's been it's like a fun experience that the Cam Newton experience like basically everything bad that anyone ever said about Cam Newton, it feels like it's the opposite right now.

And it's a lot more about his like leadership and in his mind than really is athleticism that that's carrying the day. Yeah, it's it will look back on this as a strange time for a lot of different reasons, cam Newton being Patriot one of them. But I think I think, just to kind of go back on what Mark said about the Ravens real quick, you know, my criticism of their passing game is not really Lamar based, and especially in the element today, it's more about their scheme.

Like Mark mentioned how Greg Roman's offense, I'm not saying it's necessarily one dimensional, but it's got an element of being a little one dimensional and being a little predictable, and and I think that when they find themselves in situations like that, it's also I think their lack of personnel still kind of hurts them. I mean, can we please, can we go out and get a number one wide receiver for this guy, because because we're not refused to do that ever, we're not going to call them Markey's

Hollywood Brown anymore. He's now Marquis Recida Brown. Because he is a number two or number three receiver, he doesn't get separation. Please get somebody in there to help him out at the wide opposition. And another thing, the other big thing I think they're missing from last year is they lack the depth at tight end that made their heavy sets so absolutely can't. They just can't capitalize in those missmatches anymore. Nick Boyle had a terrible injury tonight.

That's going to hurt them again going down the stretch. Just Mark Andrew's back there, boy Boyle and Ronnie Stanley are the two best blockers by a lot of people's estimation at their positions in the entire NFL. And it Stanley is not coming back, Boyle might not be coming back. Williams and Campbell are gone. You're right, and they are excuses on some level. But if those guys aren't coming back for a while, that's a problem. You know who

else is a problem? Jacoby Myers. There you go, Greg, Listen, what do you have? Greg? What do you have? You have arguably the best offensive line in football? That feels like a pretty big deal. In PFF might argue it's number one. I mean, I saw all those guys ranked in the top fifteen of that ranking when they flash it up. You have an emergent running back in Damien Harris. You have a cornerback that leads league in interceptions that is not Stefan Gilmour, who hopefully will come back down line.

And you have Cam Newton who can make things happen from time to time. Oh, and the best head coach of all time. So I mean you were playing the fiddle and or the violin saying how this team is not any good? They're still pretty good and don't rule them out sneaking in the back door of the playoffs. I'm stupid, all right. You're also you're also one Jacob away from the Jacob trifecta with Jacoby just be a

Jacob Hollister away from there. It is boom. I think Jacobe and Myers is like a legal outfit on the East Coast that we grew up with. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it was and probably still is. All right, good stuff. That is the Week ten recap. We have one more game to play, Vikings at Bears a soldier field. Mark, yes, just to just to remind you, has locked up Kirk Cousins on the road against the top defense in prime time. So if there's for that reason alone, watched to see

how good Mark is. It locks he's having a nice season, but he's really he's really thrown caution to the wind. I mean, unless I switched to the Bears, I've got time to to pull that lever if I need to, That is a lever um. But thank you, Nick Shook. Of course they're helping us out, and Ricky Hollywood's gonna sleep well tonight, so I'm happy for her as well.

This is Dan hands As signing off for the Quiet Storm, the Old Boss, the Unshookable Nick Shook, I don't know, and Ricky Hollywood not Ricky Rosita, although that does roll off the top on the until Tuesday,