2019 Week 13 Recap

and I'll repeat it here. We were talking right for the show started kai for Bath back in the league, kicking for the Patriots tonight, um, and we were trying to remember who he's played with over his uh distinguished NFL career, and then West made a comment that and now he kicks for the future division round losing Patriots, which made me reflect on what's been a terrible NFL season, yet another one for me. Almost every year I've worked

here has been just lost, embarrassing JET seasons. But what I get out of this season, no matter what, even if the Patriots win another Super Bowl, West off Patriots corner off the hill, and he is on the right side of history now and and for that I'm grateful. As we exit the Thanksgiving season, I don't know about

rights out of history. We'll see about that. Right. I mean, it would be great to kind of button up this point by saying and he got his lock right by picking against the Patriots, but we're gonna have to tease that result at the very end of the show, although people will well, I get it whatever. But but it's nice less. I love having you. I'm happy to be of service, dear court. Alright, thanks funny alright, and Mark's

Mark's headphones are off. That's that's all right. We have we have your sound drop anyway, so we can we have you covered. If there was ever a football Sunday where you could, I'd have no problem with you just dropping me off stage left. That would be this one. Hey, like the Browns today, his microphone didn't show up. You know it's not inaccurate. Um. Alright, So a lot to get to Week thirteen. Uh and yes, as we said, this is and has now started. Bill Parcels and Bill

Belichick taught us. So let's get into games as as now we it's the mad fight begins, uh for playoff position and teams trying to get in the back door of the playoffs. It's a lot of fun this time of year. So why don't we start with uh, perhaps the game of the year and a Super Bowl preview. Justin Tucker for the winner from forty nine yards. Snap is good, kick on away, It is long enough and the kick is good. The time has come off the clock. The Hays in a barn, and the Ravens takedown a

forty Niners, and this house is on par that. The Ravens celebrated midfield Justin Tucker its fifteen game winning field goal, and Thanksgiving weekend in Baltimore ends with one more thing to be thankful for. Oh Jerry Sandusky. Oh yeah, the party is raging a kicker club, and we ain't going

home until the sun comes up. Justin Tucker, we call him King Leg kicked a tiebreaking for nine yard field goal through the cold and the wind and the rain as time expired, giving the Ravens win over the Niners West. The Ravens had been nuking teams with bombs dropped from above during their epic winning streak. On Sunday, we saw him win in a street fight. I think that this game delivered. It was not some kind of scoring bonanza,

but it delivered. With coaches going forward aggressively on fourth down with George Kittle blocking his butt off, with Fred Warner continuing to play like Greg said, as well as any defensive player in the league over the past few weeks. And then Lamar Jackson in a game where he didn't pass much and had nothing really going downfield, his ball handling and play fakes where magic and freed up lots of room in a running game for him and the

other backs. It was a fun game to watch, and I don't think we come out of this saying definitively the Ravens are the best team in football. These were two even teams, and they had the better kicker today, and they controlled the end of the game situation better. You're right, there was very little separating these two teams. I think it's said to the rest of the league, not that we need a reminder, but the Ravens aren't just gonna steam roll every great team along the way.

I think the forty Niners did so many things well in this game. Some long drives against the Ravens. They forced a turnover against Lamar Jackson in terms of a lost fumble, which uh you don't see very much. Uh, good fourth down decisions that they convert. But it comes down to the end of the game where they don't pick up a fourth and one, where a play is batted uh down, the Ravens hit Jimmy Garoppolo's play, and then the Ravens control the ball for the last six

and a half minutes of the game. And that is Ravens football, and that is Lamar Jackson at his best. And it wasn't pretty, but maybe that is his MVP moment because on a day where he couldn't throw the ball very well, he goes three for three on that drive in tough conditions for thirty two yards, and he picks up two other first downs with his legs, including a fourth and one, and in short yarded situations. He's

just the number one weapon in the league. When you've seen Baltimore look vulnerable to any degree, it's because teams in the past, and it's not a week two week thing, have been able to run on them, and that in the in the Niners strength showed up today with ram raheemas start hundred forty six yards seven point seven yards per carry, and it was George Kiddle playing that role where like it wasn't just the big play catches. He is a physical nightmare to deal with in opening holes

and a huge part of that ground game. I just I'm impressed with the fact that the Niners, because had they had they been wiped out. You have to look at this entire league and say, no one's gonna stop this rumbling train of Baltimore. And this was a weather game. We've seen these three weeks in a row with playoff contenders where weather has almost I think clouded what you could really say you saw because we are reduced both teams to such a degree. But they but the Ravens

man they are. When you look back on a Super Bowl type season, if it happens, it's this kind of a game right here, wames like this, It's not always gonna be as easy as it's been recently. And yeah and ho hum. Lamar Jackson runs for a hundred yards and it's just like, you know, you can't just look at him and oh, he had a hundred passing yards. He's that complete player that we really have rarely seen in the history of the game. I would imagine he's got to be getting close to a thousand yards now

we are this. His final stats are gonna look like nothing we've ever seen before. He's the first quarterback to rush for a hundred yards in a game four times in a season. I think by the end of the first quarter they had already broken their season franchise record for most touchdowns in a year. This guy is just amazing. And there's still four games to go, and he's got all these records, right, he should break or he could break Michael Vick's rushing record in the season next week.

He's I think he's less than sixty yards away from that already. And the US to the running game was quiet. It was mark Ingram for fifty nine yards. But I do think on a day where you couldn't throw it very well down the field, Garoppolo and Lamar Jackson both I think were helped out by the receivers making good plays for them on passes that were just a little bit off. And I think that is where the weather came uh into effect. If you run at the ball

that much on a day against the forty. So, I know I've given up some yards on the ground, but thirty eight runs against them is imposing their will to win that way. In en Ronnie Stanley and Marshall Yonda and Brown on the rights, I mean they are just as as good as any offensive line in the league. And when Lamar did drop back to pass, and I know they didn't light it up. There weren't big plays to be had by the forty Niners defensive line. They kept Lamar pretty clean and and there were no big

time turnovers where Nick Bosa changes the game. He didn't touch Lamar once. I'd say this though, San Francisco, and it's a tough lost. You cannot afford another mistake. You play the Saints in New Orleans next week, and that Seahawks team is hanging out there in weeks seventeen. They could wind up as a wild card team if things went the wrong way, and that would be very disappointing. Well, this this game was so massive, you know, for the

home field advantage race. Obviously, Ravens are battling the Patriots and then the forty Niners. It's gonna be between them and the Saints, who they play next week, and the Seahawks. And you can even throw the Packards and Vikings in there, but they're they're kind of playing from behind. They still have a chance, but this is a game that they if they could have pulled this out somehow, they would

have been in much better position. San Francisco managed just a hundred nineteen yards and three points after halftime, and circling back to Tucker, I do think he's a Hall of Fame player. I think that what we saw and Robbie Gould on the other side of the field, and I know he hasn't been healthy this season, so maybe that factors in. But he attempts a fifty one yard

or that lands halfway up through the end zone. He felt, you know, five six, seven yards short short of the crossbar, and then you see Justin Tucker just split the uprights in those conditions with those steaks, and he has made thirty eight consecutive field goal attempts in the fourth quarter in his career. Uh, he's just I mean, I joke around about kickers a lot, but we were he were witnessing greatness with Tucker and he's only been in league eight years. He's gonna be around for a lot longer

than that. Didn't he have a missed pat a couple of weeks ago that had him on our radar and we everyone was thinking maybe, you know, he's been a bad year for kickers, and Tucker has missed a couple of kicks. He hasn't been as invincible as he was during that like two thousand fourteen to two thousand seventeen stretch when they were winning games like fourteen to eleven and they needed him to be total robotronic. But he's still the best, and he showed it again and he

got we have actually some Tucker sound. I also like this about Tucker. He's got a little swag as a kicker. They can go bad, but not him. I feel like, in the spirit of my teammates who have been up here to talk to you guys last few weeks, I should say something like real inspiring, Big Truss and I'll look up the questions. It sounds like one of us saying that the dude. I think John Horrible and Bill Bill Belichick probably are the best special teams coaches among

head coaches. They're the most steeped in special teams, and each of them in the past year has called him the greatest kicker of all times. Yeah, he's the greatest you've seen? Oh yes, well, what is what this entire

show point? I do think we can criticize Kyle Shanahan a little bit for having a shotgun pass on fourth and one, on the key play of the game when you're running for six point seven yards per carry, and he said he would do it again because the Ravens, you know, they put a ton of people up front and that's what they do. But he said he wished he's called different play. I also hated how conservative and afraid he called the end of the first half. But

that's the Lamar Jackson effect. They really did not go for three points at the end of the first half when Gold ended up being short, which is very Unkyle Shanahan like to be so conservative because I think they were just trying to prevent Lamar Jackson from getting the ball again and that three points cost him. All Right, let's move on. A game played with big steaks regarding the a f C West shotgun, this time for car Slam, Pettigon or something that's at five coming to this side.

It's one Hill ten time touchdown, Kansas City o'h pick six by the rookie from Virginia. Slamm intercepted by one Thorn Hill in return for forty seven yards. Mitch Holt us Chief's radio network with the call, Yes, the rookies pick six in the second quarter turned Sunday's game into a lapper for the Chiefs, who took control of the a f C West with a forty to nine win over the Raiders at Arrowhead. And it was a weird game.

I have to say that. So the forty to nine it sounds like, oh, typical Chiefs Shenanigans where they just overwhelming opponent with their great quarterback in that offense. But they scored forty points in a game, uh, in which Mahomes Patrick Mahomes through for a hundred and seventy five yards. They're leading rusher Darwin Thompson ran for forty four yards. In fact, Kansas City was outgained three two to two fifty nine by the Raiders, and yet they still coast

a victor. I would love to maybe I'll reach out to the l A researcher team and make sure they don't get to see their kids tonight and find out if a team has ever scored forty points had a forty burger with that few uh that that amount of total yards anyway, two major factors. The Chiefs didn't commit a turnover or a penalty, and the Raiders had three turnovers and twelve penalties for ninety nine yards. So you added all up the jumbo the jumble pieces, you could

figure out how this happened. But it wasn't your typical forty to nine victory. It's worth keeping an eye on the Chief's offense to see when they start clicking again like they did last year and last year, Patrick Mahomes, Tyreek Hill, and Travis He played all sixteen games together this year. This was only the third game they've completed together all year, and I think that factors into why they haven't been in rhythm, and maybe we'll see some

Darwin Thompson going forward. He looked, he looked good at the preseason, and part of it was Darryl Williams got hurt and they're just Damian Williams was hurt coming into the game, and you're right, it's hard to get on their offense when they win forty to nine. But Mahomes runs for that touchdown and that was a key playing the game, just like in the Chargers game, kind of because he's needed to because they haven't had a great rhythm.

But I think if you're a Chiefs fan, it's all positive that they can win games in different sort of ways, and this Raiders team is falling apart a little bit, but this Chiefs secondary is tough to throw on and they the fact that they can win games like that where wan thorn Hill is making a big play in honey Badger back there. That's a pretty good safety combination. It just gives them more options of of routes to victory. And this was a different one. Eight guys with Russian

attempt Kansas City. I mean it's like they're banged up. Yeah. That Patrick Mahomes touch touchdown run thirteen yards came after an interception was taken off the board by the Raiders. Uh it was challenged and turned to pass interference, which was uh. Jon Gruden said after the game was you

know they got burned by the Wizard of Oz. Uh So that that was and it was a bit of a questionable call and it and I'm not saying it changed the trajectory of this game, but it's another example of all these little things that added up to create forty. I do wonder, you know, they made the right choice organizationally,

obviously without question to move on from Kareem Hunt. But you just look at the player and wonder what this team would be with him at running back, who's looked really good for Cleveland because they've never really they they've had production, but they never really figured out that role since and that's been a very inconsistent kind of clown car this season for them, and that that affects you know,

the guy guys coming who aren't getting reps. They're not hot and not the hot capecially an inconsistent one, and I mean, you like the consistent cloud cars on And if we're gonna talk clown cars in this game, we should be talking about the Raiders then, because uh, they don't they know, show against the Jets, and we saw what happened with the Jets today, so just you know, keep that in perspective to get beat up and pushed around the way they did at the Meadowlands and then

they go on the road and um, I y aked this one. I thought this would be a close game on Thursday, talked about that they would bounce back and show some fight, but no, it might be a situation where the Raiders, you know, kind of peaked and they're one of those teams that are a fun story until you get to around Thanksgiving when quote unquote the season starts and then you know, the force of gravity takes hold.

I I still think they'll be a tough team to beat in their building, but it's six and six, now, what can you really expect going for well, they play three four and eight teams in the last three weeks of the season, which makes next week home game against Tennessee kind of a dirt nap game, at least for the Raiders. I think you gotta if you're the Raiders, you have to win that game because they're falling behind

uh in the race. In Derek Carr, you know he's gonna have to wait to get another chance to prove he can win in cold Weather. Is the numbers in cold Weather are are terrible and they got worse today. And Jack del rio, is former coach, got on him during the week and that became like a big story, and Carr took offense, saying, hey, that's a team. That's a team game. You know, I don't think it's all on me, but for what it's worth, it's just they're

just facts, the facts of facts. The Bengals and Dolphins are the only two a FC teams with a worse point point differential in the Raiders this year. Not over the last couple of weeks. Yeah, the last couple of weeks. Nobody has the worst point difference. Uh. Speaking of the Tennessee Titans, it's time now for the Road to Victory, presented by the United States Marine Core minitary forty six yard field goal left hash for the lead, SI kick fuck. Tye Smith has it fifty ten five. It's a tut

stand Titans. Tye Smith to the house. It's the first time since two thousand one when Bigford Henry Ford blocked it in Detroit's to three games ago. Oh my, Mike Keith, What Alex, that's why you keep Mike Keith a round with the nugget in the big spot in the middle of the call. I feel like you practiced that on Saturday. But fair enough, that was excellent. Titans Radio Network called the Crukshank Redemption Dame Kruk Shank rash the inside gap

blocking a potential game tying field goal. Tye smith scoops it up sixty three yards of the house. That's the biggest play in the Titans win over the Colts, the game that had huge ramifications in the a f C Southwest. The Titans are surging and I know you're a believer. The race for the a f C South Crown is a battle to survive fatal flaws. The Colts fatal flaws as the kicking game. They missed three kicks again today, two of which were blocked. Uh. And the fact that

their weapons attrition has taken care of them. Really their top five offensive weapons before the season started are all out in this game. So they're throwing to Zack Pascal, who had a really good game, and Jack Doyle, but not much beyond that. UM. And then the Titans fatal flaw is an offensive line that's been a problem all year. Tannehill was sacked six times, five of those in the

first half. UM. The Titans could not contain the Colts defense for most of this game, and there was there was a time of possession issue that made it seem like every time I look up, Derrick Henry's rushing for a first down, but the Titans never have the ball after that. Uh. He now, Derrick Henry. Last sixteen games, he has rushed for seven five yards and twenty total touchdowns. And the last player to rush for that many yards and that many touchdowns over a sixteen game span was

Chris Johnson who said seventy yards. This guy is a legit star right now. And he's averaging a hundred and sixty five yards in the last three games, all of which are Titans victory. And they've they've pumped it up through the air a little bit more with Tannehill at quarterback, and some of the big plays have you know, appeared. But a lot of Derrick Henry's production has come when you don't trust any of the receivers and you're stacking the boxes against him, and he's doing a week after week.

There were two huge block field goals in this game too. I mean you talked about special teams earlier. I thought that that one of them changed the complexion of this game entirely. And the Colts twenty four straight points given up. I feel you can kind of see. I'm I like the Colts, I like the coaching, but the injuries are racked up. They're drifting away from us in this playoff picture.

To agree they have a killer loss to Pittsburgh earlier in the year, well, they I sometimes think about these games as margin for error, and the Titans just have so much had so much more margin for error in this game. They followed behind early Tannehill as a turn There's a couple of turnovers early, but they can survive that, whereas that the Colts cannot serve vibe. Jacoby Brissette throwing a terrible interception which he did, which which helped to

turn this game around. It's like they need to play perfect. I think Titans fans were frustrated for much of this game that Frank Richer is out coaching them. But ultimately, you know, you're Brisette and you're throwing to Marcus Johnson. You're throwing to someone named Ashton Duelin from a place called Malone University. Never heard of Malone. It was a painting student. Randy Travis is at tight end. Came from the Country Music Awards. I don't know what's going out.

Leave him alone. Greg likes country. That's not They're like two days away from signing Georgian Matthews. It sounds like it's rough. I'm just saying that Titans have a little bit of a juice, a little bit of firepower. They do. They're fun to watch right now, and Tannehill is playing really well, you know, despite all those sacks, which I don't think we're on him they were on the offensive line.

He's still making big throws into tight windows and then a great throw with the forty yard touchdown to Cliff Raymond to put the game out reach late. The Titoons era ended when Marcus Mariotta was benched. They just feel like a different team now. Look at you. They just feel I don't feel anything. There's no animosity towards that organization of the fan base that never was. I just

hated watching Marcus Mariotta. And I don't think Ryan Tannehill is a star, but I just think at this time, with this team, at this moment, he's performing at a very high level and they're fun to watch, although they kind of still are like the Mike Malarkey Titans. I mean, Tannehill was seventeen finess the ability to block that yet seventeen for twenty two. Today every Tannehill game is like sixteen twenty, which is great. You know, you're super efficient.

It's Derrick Henry running. You're playing it close to the vest, but it is working. That was a time of possession issue. They lost two fumbles early and then the sacks. I mean, I don't know if that was a philosophy issue. As much as just this game turned out that way. And also West you mentioned on Thursday's show that Tannehill was a candidate for the franchise tag. I don't know where your reporting came from, but that was followed up this

morning with additional reporting suggesting that that's how the Titans think. Well, let's get to the bottom. This is that your reporting. Sometimes things that are easily deduced don't need to be reported. We can all reach a sensible conclusion without inside information. And you know, speaking of Marcus Mariota. Not to pile on, but Delaney Walker went to um I R with an ankle injury. This part of the thing that annoyed me about the Tytoons era. As soon as something would happen

like this, like well, that's why, that's what. If they just had Delaney Walker, they'd be okay, but you know what, bad luck. No, Look, the Titans can still survive and thrive on offense even if they lose players. It doesn't have to be a perfect situation. Certain quarterbacks, I don't know what it is, seemed to have excuses made for

them left and right until they literally leave the league. Also, John H. Smith is better than Delaney Walker this year anyway, So it wasn't a loss, and that was the road to victory presented by the United States Marine Corps, the real heroes. All right, let's move right along. Crows a pass and the pass whose intercepted? And that's Joe Hayden, the former power He's at the forty five, he's at the fifty. He takes a five at the forty five. And you can put this one in their history books.

What a footing end for Joe Haydn to a warmer Browns, a former number one Cristians. The ball was intended Rold the Brown's receiver in the middle of the field, and that was lady. And those Steelers played take away and Hi field isn't a frenzy. Bill hill Grove what they called Steelers Radio Network, seated next to mark Up paraphrase, you said something all on the lines, mark Up. Oh,

it had to be hated anyway. Hayden's interception Baker Mayfield the final minutes of the game, deciding to play the Steelers over the Browns at Hines Field. Pittsburgh started the season with three straight losses, will enter the final quarter of the season. In the sixth and final playoff position in the FC. On Sunday, they got some revenge on the Browns. Mark it's it to me. It is a microcosm of what has been wrong with Cleveland, and we'll get off Cleveland quick and get to Pittsburgh, the much

more encouraging team here. The Browns got out hot and had a lead, a yardage advantage of a hundred and forty seven to nine, and this was not minutes into the game. They built a time of possession advantage because they were running the ball at will on Pittsburgh and having their way through the air with Jarvis Landry. Seventeen plus minutes to under five for Pittsburgh, and I thought they have figured out how to finally come in and hammer with their talent lesser teams, which on paper the

Steelers on offense certainly are. And it is unbelievable to me how out coached and how classed Cleveland was in the second half of this game. Duck Hodges deserves an absolute ton of credit for the chemistry that he built on a touchdown to James Washington. Had big plays all day that changed this game, and they went on to twenty straight unanswered points. Pittsburgh because they were using guys like Jalen Samuel's Out of the Wildcat to keep Duck

Hodges out of trouble. At points, the Browns ash rust dried, dried up with some injuries, guys like Benny Snell and Baker Mayfield had a killer fumble and at one point you just looked at them for twenty streight minutes they could not move the ball. And Freddie Kitchens, I like the guy. I like the person. I have no issue with the fact that you know it takes a while at as a head coach to learn how to do this.

It doesn't happen in two minutes. But Mike Tomlin, for everyone who wants to get on him for the late season losses in Pittsburgh, this was a signature type of Mike Tomlin win where you just felt Pittsburgh becoming and morphing into the tougher team against the Cleveland team that started to feel all the old ghosts around it. And so it was absolutely appropriate that Joe Hayden, of all people, the X Brown I used to know what that felt like,

cap this thing and I Cleveland season is over. I don't really care about the math involved at this point because this is what they do in games. They will find a way to lose two more of these, one of them against the Bengals, I'm telling you right now, and it's going to be a really really long night of questioning inside that building whether or not you keep this head coach. They've proven this is in their d

n A for two thousand nineteen. The Freddie Kitchens Browns and forget Big Ben, Antonio Brown, Love Bell, those guys are long gone. This this offense was playing without Juju Smith, the number one receiver, James Conner, the number one running back, Marky's pouncing, one of the best centers in the league. And they beat a Browns team that's more talented. And that's been the story of the Brown seams. And I mean this is where it goes back. I think where

like organizations win. You know, it's unfortunate for Mark and Brown's fan, but organization's ownership, every everything sets up for like a win like this where Benny's snell out gains, Nick Chubb, Advance McDonald, Nodell Beckham kind of have the same you know stat line and and the Steelers can somehow recover from all of those injuries. Just seems like, because there is so much talent on this team, and Miles Garrett will be back next year. They just need

to clean it up a little bit. And you know, I know it's not a big deal, but Jervis, Landry and Beckham leave the locker room without talking to reporters. It's just I don't know it's running that team. I don't know who's running the team, and I don't it doesn't, it doesn't say and maybe that is And this is one of the things we thought before the season. If the possibility that all the personalities won't mix with the right way, maybe with a stronger head coach it works.

Maybe these are the type of players that won't respond to a stern head coach either. These are all things that need to be worked out in Cleveland. But they have a lot of work to do. I mean, because we did say, like, what is this their seventh loss? And I get where your frustrations coming from, Mark, obviously, because this is a tough game. Uh, they're not out

of the mix. They can get hot, but what have we seen from this year that will that says they will Because all the talent in the world doesn't matter if you're an incon they're not a playoff team and they're not going to make the playoffs. Like I, I understand the mathematical side, it's the little things to tack onto. What you just mentioned that safety da Marius Randall is not even brought to the game, and no one quite knows why. There were some safety issues he may be received.

I don't know, some threats or something. Freddy Kitchens is photographed with a fan wearing a you know, Pittsburgh started at T shirt and it was given to him by his daughters on his birthday. So it's like, Okay, let's not make a huge deal out of that. But the house, Yeah, it's just it's NonStop issues and the like you know.

I this was the one week and Dan, you were feeling it with the Jets, the optimism for the first time in years, and I tweeted out some real strong stuff and like I was like, why is my feet well, my feet is blowing up today because I appropriately annoyed the Steelers fan base and they seemed to be a strong wheeled group and good for them, but it got retweeted, It got retweeted. Midday I found out by old takes exposed because that's what you do if you're a fan.

Just it's like a billion oats. It's on Twitter, yes, and it's blowing up, and it's like, I'm not gonna go on Twitter for three weeks and it's you know what, I started it, I'll deal with it. I got respect. I got respect to you, Mark, because I saw it's not really in your nature to use that type of bravado. Uh and yet you were confident and you you were feeling it. But it did. And I let you know this during the game. I I sensed it as I

was driving to work. I was like, oh god, if if Mark doesn't win after those comments, it was like dropping a cop prehensive bomb upon the Steelers. It was like these fans and Marcus a big enough Twitter five, it's coming back Adam hard and that's gonna that's gonna compound and annoying. But to your credit, Mark, I think your spirits have been in a good place. Your spirits are better now than when much worse Browns teams lost

games that didn't matter. This is who they've been. So it's not a surprise if you if you start out hot and then you crumble. That's one thing. This is who they've been alright, one night on the Steelers. They've won six of seven games. Now they are rolling, and I don't know how good their offense is gonna be. I don't know how how much stain powered Duck Hodges has, but the way they turn this around and the balls to go get Minca Fitzpatrick, they've been a top two

or three defense since that trade. At seven and five, they now look like a very possible playoff team. They're they're gonna host the Bills in two weeks, which will be a big one for them, and they have to go to the Ravens. But for the Steelers slipping around this was just as big. Obviously a game for the Steelers, and now they have a legitimate shot to go get that six seats and they beat those Cults, so they've got tie break direction and us. It's been about four

or five hours. I tease this earlier in the day, and I had a compliment coming your way, okay, and now the time has come for me to deliver that compliment. Okay, Um, good jobs scouting Mason Rudolph's failures. Thank you, And now this is where you're just feeling it. You're the guy that hits on seventeen at the blackjack table uh and gets twenty one Duck Hodges, who you were calling for, which just felt like it felt almost unfair to Mason Rudolph.

He played a really good game once he got warmed up. It's so clear that this guy should have been in before he came into uh steel to the Steelers offense. So my compliment to you, sir, is that you have diagnosed this beautifully, and um I love you because of it. Well, thank you. That makes up for the other step, that makes up for the other team in this game, which I spent all offseason raving about Odell Beckham and Baker Mayfield Lane waste too defenses. So you get some of

them right and you get some of them wrong. But I do you think Duck Hodges what this team needed was a quarterback who won't throw the game away, won't mess up, and has some sense of rhythm and timing which was missing. I mostly just like Dan's trend towards not wanting to have any genuine human interaction outside the podcast. He wants to save it all for on air. Eventually will only speak to Dan on the podcast. That's like what Warren Babies said to Madonna and her documentary, Now

you're worried there, dare I get it? I get where this is going. You inspired the song. You're so vain um I can't even go on. It's like so I'm not at all but all right, let's go empty backfield for Allen takes a spell. Allen under some heat, Allen looking looking back, totally give it up. Gardage gets gets

the in the Redskin's gonna win it. It was Foster who knocked it out as Allan fai up Guardage all the way back to the thirty all one fourteen sucks to go when the words his defense gets the job done. Larry Michael, uh, Chris Cooley, sorry with Coolie. Turn it up in my headphones? Cool copy. Where are you going? Kyle Allen? Turn it up? The Panthers quarterback scamper. Someone's in peril. The Panthers quarterback scamper twenty three yards behind

the line of scrimmage. That's sound you here, that's sound. Here is tens of thousands of people clicking into the Mark Marin podcast sack scamperd twenty three yards. Thank you to everyone taking drugs. That is staying with US twenty three yards behind the line of scrimmage before Chris Odom knocked the ball from his hands. It was a profoundly unsuccessful fourth and gold try for the Carolina Panthers, and it allowed the Redskins to escape with a eighteen win.

That is two straight wins for the Washington Football Club. And listen, we all know it. Dwayne Haskins is developing and he's developing photos from his selfie binge. But he's also developing as a young rookie and he needs help. He I mean, he needs all just like any other rookie quarterback needs help. And he hasn't been getting much of it on a bad Redskins team. Today he did because, uh, especially from their running game. Adrian Peterson and Darius Guice

combined for two fifty eight yards three touchdowns. Uh, guys especially, and this is something you really wanted to see because he's a talented young player that's had injury issues. He was running angry in this game, and I mean that as a compliment angry runs Kyle Brand style. He had runs of thirty eight and sixty yards two touchdowns. Mark, You'll you'll like to know that Adrian Peterson moved one step closer to Walter Payton on the all time touchdown list.

He had a score. You tracking this has saved a lot of work for me. I appreciate it. Yes, Uh so, the Redskins did a nice job and their offensive line deserves a lot of credit for that as well. And on the panther side of the ball, you know, they blow fourteen nothing lead in this game, and I know they kind of cooked their goose because of Joey slides

misses against the Saints last week. So maybe this game didn't have a ton of importance um at five and six, But now they're five and seven and they're riding a four game losing streak, and they have a losing record at home. And the owner came out ten days ago and said, I will not stand from idiocrity. And they are the very picture of mediocrity in the NFL right now.

And that's all a long way of saying that in a league where they fire, in our league, where they fire a quarter of the coaches every January, Ron Rivera is cooked. And and I don't even know if it should be because of his quarterback play. It should be because he switched to a three four defense in the off season, and they run some hybrid They're not strictly one thing or another. But they entered this game thirty one and run defense d v o A and got

worked over today. Their run defense went from decent not terrible to one of the worst in the NFL. And they've been reasonably healthy all year. Well, they lost Kwan Short which was huge, but mine as a like monster run defender. He's a pass rusher now and they and they losed on Terry po And you watched Darius Skys go ten for nine, Peterson go thirteen for the Redskins run for two forty eight. I mean, that's the type of team that Ron Rivera wishes that the Panthers could be.

And you assume in some weeks, of course, Christian McCaffrey, uh does run that well. But today he was held down fourteen forty four on the ground. And uh, it's it's surprising this Bill callahan. We're just gonna run the ball fifty times and we don't care what happens. Hey, it's it's it's gotten them a few wins here. It works three out of twelve times. I mean, well, what what what was group? What was Callahan? He entered in

week five? What at oh and four? So you know he's he's like three and uh three and five and he's doing all right. Coach of the year if Brian Flores is in Coach of the Year Candida. See like some people are trying to say, why not Bill Callahan three and five? I but I get the Ron Rivera might be on his way out. You have to make sure you're gonna find a better coach because most of these guys come in and they don't work. And Ron Rivera does seem like it's an every other year thing.

But Ron Rivera will find another job. I don't know if that's the reason not to fire. I hear you, but it's not every other year though, because the defense the last two years has been bad, and that's his defense. I think also when you're when you're riding with a rookie quarterback, I think it's easy to forget that Kyle Allen is a young quarterback that is like learning on the job still that we want him to be productive all the way because of the good early looks he gave.

It's like he's just gonna keep that going. Like the growing pains are real. It's similar to we've heard calls for John Harball's job, We've heard calls from Mike Tomlin's job over the last couple of years. Those teams stayed with him. And to me, Ron Rivera is similar type

of coach to those guys. Nate orchard Uh, the linebacker the Redskins who has picked up this week, made two games, saving type of defensive plays in this game and he had just been signed and some you know Redskins reporter asked him about it after then he broke down crying, like what it meant for him? And it reminds you, like in these games that we think are dog games and they are you don't need we didn't want to watch him or whatever, Like someone's life is changing and

something like it can mean an awful lot. And it was clear to him, who had been out of the league as recently as a few days ago, like like what that experience meant much less stereous guys who's been through total hell. Way to put in respect, Greg, yeah, I knew that. I knew that I was gonna get on dance right now in a paternal way. You gotta watch, you gotta watch a little Nate Orchard interview you. It'll break you down there some mental music behind that cold

heart like yours. Can we do that? So we put some cental music, sentimental music line there. We go, alright, let you're a copper Sky Island. Let's move on. They're gonna fake this thing. Spread all over the field. Five to the last four the right cut down, unbelievable dead hawk hawk fluid. I've never seen that before. Jimmy Seppalo and that man's seen a lot, Bob Greasy and Joe Rose.

The Dolphins radio network called the Miami Special. How about that Eagles bill the statue Matt Hack through an underhead one yard touchdown pass. That Jason is Matt Hawk. Let's not call the man I mean h A A C K it is. I am from it on a strong authority. That is Matt Hawk. Tomato Tomato okay uh to Sanders. A brilliant bit of trickery by the Dolphins thirty one. They go on to win over the fading Eagles, who kick away a golden opportunity to pull into a tie

in the brutal NFC East Mark. The Dolphins also got great performances out of Ryan Fitzpatrick and DeVante Parker. It's their third win in five weeks. This, Yeah, they're just not that team that's tanking. It's like they're they have been. What you talk about Brian Floores as Coach of the Year, and it's it's maybe it's over sold. Who talk about that, but tweets about it that he deserves consideration. I even saw you some writers saying and that's just like, Okay,

he's doing a great job. I forget the award business, but it's an improbable coaching job by him, right, And I think it gives you, well, there's a lot of teams that are kind of hanging around in this mediocre center world. And I think the one thing Dolphins fans have is you know, this can change her, dear. But we can look at our coach and say he's aggressive.

He is not afraid to go up, cook up trick plays at a bizarre and he will hit you with an on site s kick and he'll do it again if it doesn't work, because he believes in taking every possible advantage. And and we look at Pittsburgh, the roster that Miami's dealing with and what they produced today four hundred plus yards on an Eagles defense that fell apart

down the stretch. They helped the Phillies defense got them up early with an interception that gave Carson Wentz a short field for a touchdown, and then they stopped them inside the fifty yard line for make it tend nothing. The Dolphins did not give up at that point. Ten nothing didn't matter. They got down twenty eight fourteen. It

didn't matter. And DeVante Parker's career game had a lot to do with the Eagles secondary giving Ryan Fitzpatrick big open spaces to keep testing them, and the Dolphins cannot run the ball and everyone knows it, and they have nothing in the backfield, and they kept making huge plays

through the air. And you asked about Carson Wentz. I don't know if this is a game where I can come away saying that he is a totally changed guy because the inner he had one interception, but the mess from last week went away that happened in bad weather. I don't think having him throw the ball forty six times is the right way to be using Carson Wentz at this point on this team. All Sean Jeffrey made a good difference with them today, but they don't have

the parts for that. He's not the Carson Wentz of a couple of years ago with what's around him right now. Well, this is troubling for the Eagles that you have a good offensive day and you think you've got a rising defense and you give a thirty seven points to a Dolphins team that had their running backs at eight carries for ten yards through three quarters. They gave up touchdowns on five great possessions the Miami Dolphins did. So the Miami Dolphins did to the Eagles what the Ravens were

doing on Monday Night to the Rams. The Miami Dolphins didn't score their fifth offensive touchdown till Week seven this year, and they went up and down the field with Ryan Fitzpatrick and no running game. If nothing else, I think it gives you some confidence in their coordinator. Chat O'sha who we haven't mentioned his name the whole season. He's never called the play in his life in the NFL. He's done a great job like focusing on their strength and finding a way to put together in NFL offense.

It's amazing, and it's just isn't it just the sign of a mediocre to bad team? Which the Eagles have been this season. When when you fix one thing, another spring and and and more waters pouring into the ship, because it's been the defense that's been keeping him in games as his offenses went into a tail spin. The offense finally springs back to life and it's the defense that kills him. And yeah, they will, they will regret this game. And this is not a super Bowl team anyway,

So it's like it too crazy about them losing this game. Uh, there d belief flawed team. But when you have the Cowboys licking their wounds and in total crisis and you get to watch it on Thanksgiving and then you go to Miami and lose, I mean that that is a

tough film. It has to be the lowest point for Doug Peterson because when they when they went out of the playoffs last year, that was on a high note where you did a lot with a little and Nick Foles a quarterback, and this is one where you're questioning

everything at this point. This game is a great one for my The talent is not that different, Chris Wesleyan between two NFL teams, because if you look at these two rosters, that the talent just should be so overwhelming with a halfway competent coaching staff that the Eagles don't lose this game like ever he goes are way more talented than the Dolphins, That's what I mean, and they still didn't. They still don't. That's close enough where somehow Miami wins this game. The Dolphins. I saw a stat

over the weekend. Their roster is undrafted. That is amazing. Half the roster almost as undrafted, and Brian Flores is out here winning games with him. I don't. I just don't take it back East Coach of the Year. I just don't see how h A A C K is Hawk. It's not. I'm not suggesting that if you're just gonna look at the way it's spelled, that you I wouldn't come to the same conclusion. But it confused me, so I went and looked it up. And I've been told

that it's another option would be hacked. Where do you find if you're some some patron in that family a long time ago said our name, our names are you know, Joe and Wendy Hack. Let's change it to hawk, which is much cooler. It happened a lot on Ellis Island when sure a lot of the immigrants came over. Uh. If a name was too hard to pronounce, they would just cut off vowels or the beginning of a name. Maybe that's what maybe we got an Ellis Island situation.

You were Dan Hansen Stein at one point. It's certainly possible. That's certainly possible they trimmed it. It's much cooler give Matt Hack his name back. I'm just married off the research and information that I did before. I think the subject here is it's not Dan, it's on Hack. Maybe the punter doesn't want to be known as a Hack. Maybe this is maybe it's all working out for the best. Hawk is kind of a majestic bird. Let's move on. Three receivers. He spins one to the goal line and

a toe tap by Cooper Cup for the touchdown. Touchdown l A. Jared Goff couldn't have walked it down there in place with any better. Cooper Cup brings it in to take the lead to nothing. There's a guy that will be at Chris Westling's co ed baby shower. Oh yeah, his neighbor J B. Long. Oh. The RAMS radio network. That was the old days where it's just like alright, honey, have fun of the baby shower. I'll come and pick up the gifts. But now the man is expected to

be at the shower. I um as some ornament. I will argue have harmy candy against a couple shower. I don't know to what effect, but I will argue heavily against him. What are we there for? Somewhere in like the late nineties, this change that used to be showers were just for the women that I've had to go

to their own show. I do, but now how my children have already come and gone at this point in terms of the birth arrangements and stuff, I'm not I'm going to fight out the I'm gonna fight other battles like and I agree with you, but I'll pick a different battle fight at this point. Jared Goff three for four d twenty four yards and two touchdown. Robert Woods went off seventy two yards receiving. You heard that Cooper

Cup touchdown. The Rams cruise seven over the Cards. Uh, Greg, everyone's down on the Rams and how could you not be after that Monday night football massacre? Um against the Ravens. But they aren't seven and five and they're still on the periphery. That's all getting that they're on the periphery. They have games that matter, you know, coming up against San Francisco in Seattle, so they'll get to decide their

fate because those are the teams ahead of them. They showed at least today that they are capable of a game like this that Jared Goff and Robert Woods, Cooks and Cup when they're all on the field together. And I do think it makes a big difference when all three of the receivers are there, are capable of beating down a terrible past defense, which is what the Cardinals are.

But to be clear, like Golf had four eight yards with eight fifty left in the third quarter, they basically sat sat down, you know, with a quarter to go. And he didn't really do anything in the driver too after that big barrage. So they were doing everything they wanted. It looked like the two thousand, seventeen and eighteen rams with a lot of timing throws uh. And Robert Woods, especially having just a fantastic game thirteen for one seventy

two uh and a lot of tough grabs. He he is kind of I mean, it's almost cliche to say, but He's kind of like the key guy. It's feels like to them like when they have a big When he has a big day, they have a big I know, the key to that offense. And was just he was just there though today girl they didn't need a lot from Girley was but it was really the passing game.

Hasn't it felt like those seasons, even when they were against non elite defenses, that the Rams have not been able to turn it up the way they have today. I mean, now that just to be seen as like a major turning point if you want to be optimistic about this team. They've had a couple of moments offensively, including that Monday night loss to the it was at Thursday night to the Seahawks where they moved the ball

pretty well. Definitely nothing as consistent as this, uh And it was, you know, surprising to see it against the Cardinals team who had played We had been saying how great the Cardinals have looked, and they've played all these great teams down to the wire and given them credit for that. So if they're gonna get blown, if they're the doors are gonna get blown off them at their home, you gotta give some credit to the Rams for doing it.

I'd imagine Sean McVeigh did not want to deal with the optics or the narratives coming out of a game where he if the score reversed, you get a loss to Cliff Kingsbury, the new offensive mind, and so there you go. So I don't know, I to me this this stop some of the bleeding. Do I trust the Rams to pick up where they left off from this week, next week or the week after. Plus they're in the NFC.

If they were in the a f C at seven and five, you know their rolling because they have games against the Cardinals, you know, again in week seventeen and you're at Dallas, which at this point is a winnable game, but they have Seattle in San Francisco and there they might have to run the slate just to get into the playoffs in the NFC, and that is that is tough for what it's worth. And I know they changed

their grades after they do some more work. Pro Football Focus gave Todd Gurley the highest rushing grade of the last four years and one of the highest rushing grades I've ever seen from a running back. In this game he had he had really good runs early. The only reason I said that he was a supporting player is when I when they got it to thirty four nothing. He had sixty yards at that point on about nine or ten carries, and they just had thrown the ball

like crazy. His runs and as we mentioned on the show, he's looked a lot better. Andrew Whitworth had a great game, shutting down Chandler Jones, all the guys on their defense, uh eight in In fact, Kyler Murray six times. And it was Murray healthy in this because I know he came in with an ankle issue. They hamstring and they talked about that. But then a couple of times when he did scramble, he he looked okay. He he said

that wasn't the problem. After the game, he took full responsibility and just said that they were flat and he made a bunch of I mean, that's what quarterbacks do. What you want. It might have been a factor, but there was a couple of times he scrambled and looked okay. It's just weird watching this team, just seeing David Johnson as the occasional like a couple of carries back up to Kenyan Drake. But that's just where the Rams ever knocked off Seattle next week. All in all back in

on saying anything is possible. But but they have their signature. Wins are few and far between, and they and they're gonna need teams ahead of them, you know, to help him, including Seattle. All right, I was just looking at a schedule change made for week fifteen. Oh wow, Buffalo ataking has been moved from one pm Eastern not CBS to eight twenty eastern and NCC some Buffalo, Pittsburgh flex primetime Duck Minnesota Chargers flexed out to four oh five. Good job,

how to do it, how to be done? And it's been done and good. You know that is great for the and you know, Bills fans, I hope you listen to every show, even when we're not talking about your team on a recap show. But there you go, there's some love for the people a Buffo. When's the last time they had a Sunday night football game? So now you get Thanksgiving showcase, bang right into Al Chris and Michelle. I love. It's not the Vikings fault. They're getting moved out,

but it's a great decision. And in between you have a game against the Patriots, the Bills are going to have a lot of big time games in the next month. That was spread fresh off the wire. That was six seventeen PM from Laksha Westling from the newsroom. So well, I mean, what a family affair this truly is. Uh, let's move on. Rogers goes quick, cow back looking steps up to those ends, on to five. Very tough stop,

nal leaping crap, what's the end zone? Oh my god, Rogers went no huddle, went immediately and the Giants were not still seventeen yard touchdown pass Davante second of the game. Karon Rodgers Brilliants metally and physically. Yeah, he just took advantage of unsettled decense. Wayne Lara Vy and Larry mccaren of the Packers Radio network. Aaron Rodgers threw four touchdown passes in the snow. The Packers, you know, they put that ugly loss of the Niners in the rear view,

beating up on Jen at the metal ends West. It's a nice get right game for the Green Bay Packers, with another NFC East cupcake on deck in the red skin. First sentence right here. Giants are a great get right team for struggling offenses. Bah blah blah blah, bayang. Alan

Lazard hit a great game. He turned three targets into three catches for a hundred three yards in a touchdown, had a having forty three yard bomb that's set up Davante adams first score, and then he came back with a thirty seven yard touchdown against what looked like busted coverage. To me, that Giants defense has had a lot of that busted coverage this year. Uh. And there's some things about the Packers that you still worry about a little bit.

Aaron Jones had eleven rushes for eighteen yards one point six yards per carry. That's been an inconsistency over the last month. And I think Kevin King and coverage is still an issue for their secondary. But overall, they picked off Daniel Jones three times. And on a fun day in the snow, Aaron Rodgers looked really good. He he

always seems like he's the best snow quarterback. If you're asking me to take a snow quarterback, they like little Aaron Ride I might take bread for but fair enough, Laura tom Brady, I would uh ask you guys to watch a little bit of the press conference from Pat Shermer. It was something he was just like emptying out the bag of kind of I don't know. I don't know if I would call him excuses, but just explanations that you don't want to see out of your coach of

a guy who's on the way out. He called this team historically young. Uh. Someone asked him about Jones, is you know rough day and he tried to paint it as a positive that well, he had three interceptions but no fumbles, like he cut down in the fumbling that was that was like a positive that the stadium was very empty there. And I know his bad weather is raining at the start, but that's that's a sign of a franchise that's in deep, deep trouble. And he is

seven and twenty one now through games Patch. He seems like he'll be one of the eight Doomed eight we'll call them. Uh. And also, you know, you bring up a good point that, especially with these coaches where the writing seems to be on the wall once you hit December. There are some tropes in their press conferences and I'll read a line from Ron Riverez presser today, I'm not worried about my future. I'm worried about this football team.

We have a game coming up on Sunday. When you start hearing things like this and with some of those lines that Greg was talking about from Shermer, you kind of know the Dies been cast and it it must make for a really weird, slash uncomfortable, slash depressing vibe around team headquarters or in the head coaches house potentially. I mean, it's a just a dark time. Especially. Yeah, a New York Giants team that's losing this much is

it's tough. And it's funny because the Giants used to get so much credit for while they're the patient owners, they're not gonna make hasty changes. Well that that's great until your team just becomes one of the worst teams in in the NFL and then you probably fire coaches with after two years, two straight times, because that's what's gonna happen with Macadoo. So so yeah, you're you're patient until you turned into one of the worst five teams in the NFL and then he became like everyone else

and you weren't patient. I will I will ask you to remember that sandwich bet from August where I mentioned Giants ownership picking up Bill Belichick in a parking lot outside Giants Stadium and driving them up to New England on a conversation that will remain secret about what Bill Belichick might do next year. Maybe come back to with the team where it all started from. Maybe, Yeah, basically

from eighty four eighty one. Let's say when Parcels, excuse me, I'll say it again, from eighty four, when Parcels kind of took hold and the culture change there, and we'll take it all the way through. And there were some down periods here and there, Ray Hanley here, you know,

Dave Brown there, Danny Cannell here. Uh. Through two thousand eleven and the super second Super Bowl win over the Patriots, they really were a model of stability in addition to being one of the more respected ownership groups and someone who grew up in New York that wasn't a Giants fan. A ton of envy about how they how they were

able to do it and be consistent. But they really have lost their way, and you wonder what it feels like Shermer's You know, I can't imagine any chance he comes back, but they have so much work to do to get this thing right. I think he was put in a particularly bad position. But when you take a head coaching job, and that could have been his last

chance and he knew that. What do you learn from Bill Belichick and all these biographies about him, like you when it came time for the second chance because my head coach ownership mattered, which would check the box with the Giants. But the situation that Shermer went into was one where I feel like you had to be a yes man for some really weird stuff going on there with Eli Manning on down. And it's not all just

about Eli Manning. I just don't think Patch Schremer has proven to really be a head coach that with two teams now can work them out of out of a back corner. It's not good. I still think it's a great job though, if you great job, but next year. Greig's points a lot of work. But I think ownership and the and the stage and the team, they they just there's a lot of work. There's a glamour job. Who wouldn't want to coach the New York Giants. You can be the savior there. It's like being the coach

of the Green Bay Packers. I mean, look at Maddie Lafleur. You know, he met with us back at the Honors meeting and he's taken off nine and three. Where's where's Mike McCarthy, I mean Mike McCarthy. He's watching at home, which is I know a lot of the coach. You know, you don't move because you've lived there forever. But Green Bay seems like it'd be a particularly awkward place to live because there's only like fourteen people that don't work

for the packers there that are in the town. So it's like all my McCarthy runs into as packers, you know, employees and fans. I think Rod just tried to build a wall around his compound in three band. They said, no, I'm not even joking. I'll have to look all these guys trying to build these walls. Um and so before we get to the next game circling back, good on

the NFL for acting to flex that game out. What happened with the Ravens today, UM and the Niners was so bad and actually was worse because we realized that because of the Jets and Giants playing in the early slot, the biggest market in the country, New York, did not get Ravens Niners. Uh the West Coast. Simone, your wife Mark, who's a big Niners fan. She was listening to the game on the radio. I saw her. La didn't get

Ravens Niners either. Astal was on Fox and she said infomercials, which is, you know, not what you're hoping for when Niners and so game has been hyped up for weeks as a Super Bowl preview. Uh, the two biggest markets in the country don't get the biggest game. Uh. So nice and get the Charges out of Sunday Night football. My goodness. Speaking of the Chargers, let's go. So McManus

is gonna have to do it again. Ball spotted bar Hash forty three yards an attempt at fifty three yards for the wind off size by the Charger snap placement kick on the way and it is God, It's over Brandon mcmahdus from fifty three yards out. Just the Broncos a twenty three to twenty win over the Chargers, A much needed victory for this Broncos team that now finds their record four and eight. Dave Logan the Broncos Radio network with a call. The Chargers and Broncos traded field

goals in the final minute Sunday. Luckily for Denver they kicked last win at Empower Field at Mile High. You know, either sell the naming rights or stick with the tradition, you know. I just I couldn't agree with my call bs on this habit both ways, stadium naming stuff, um Park. I understand it. It's a business and the goals to turn a prop bit and live in the black. But why should fans be put in that situation? That's where

we're going with this. I mean, I don't think this should It's not fair to fans their herd to talk about the game. I don't know, talk about the game. This game and you know we were all watching it together.

Was it just struck me as the most chargerish type game ever, but also the most bronchoish because you mentioned Greg was was totally fired up, and rightly so, because the Chargers trying to drive down to kick what would have been a game time field goal, or even better to continue to go for it on fourth down and get a touchdown and get out of there and what is a lost season, could not get out of their

own way. There was a sequence where it was fourth and one, al right, and just to display their total lack of organization, the the go watch that drive, and the amount of time the Chargers are wasting, the the they're allergic to urgency. In a situation where you kept seeing Philip Rivers, I don't know if there were communication

issues with the helmet or something that instructed light. That struck me that there might be, because he had to kept, you know, waddling over to the offensive coordinator and the offensive coordinators, you know, talking in long, long, long sentence about what to do. The clocks ticking away. They have two penalties to take a fourth and one session with situation, the fourth and six, then the fourth and eleven. Then they get a Mike Williams bomb down field that gives

you everything you might get from a Charger's finish. And on fourth and inches they kick, they go for a field goal and they get it, and then the whole thing happens with Casey Hayward mere seconds left getting hit with a p I by Drew Lock who has never played an NFL game until today, and Brandon McManus hits

the fifty three yard field goal. But it strikes me with Chargers games, there's so many things happening in the last two or three minutes that are so bizarre that it's a mess to try to chronicle other than the fact that this is just like every other Chargers game I've watched. Well, I think if if there's like Philip Rivers has a big hand in all this, you know,

he's kind of the commonality in all these games. But one thing I think we can look at the Anthony Lynnear's what's a common analyst commonality is if he's gonna go out, he wants to do it in the most tepid way possible. Like he he's saying, I don't I don't want to go out swinging. I want to go out kicking that field goal. I don't want to go for fourth and inches. I don't want to play hurry

up late in the game. I don't want to have a decision already made in my mind of what we're gonna do on fourth down with two minutes and forty seconds to go. I want to then have the camera pantam me on the sideline and have me in the offensive coordinator go back and forth, and you can almost literally read their lips like, what do you think we should do? Well? I think maybe we should run well, I don't know, maybe I should maybe I should put well,

I don't know, maybe maybe we shouldn't. I don't know, really trust Philip Rivers, So that doesn't really make sense. And it's like the clock is ticking here, buddies, and then they have to waste the time out which forces their decision, and you saw that throughout the rest of the drive and it just speaks to a lack of preparation and what happens when I think there's a breakdown in communication and trust between the head coach and the quarterback,

which is what this team has. Well, that was a pretty major report from rap sheet before the game right that Philip Rivers, if he continued to play the way he had would be pulled for Tyrod Taylor. And at one point in the game we saw Tyrod Taylor warming up, but they sent Rivers back out for the next series. Anyway, I guess to me, I'm not sure this team wants Philip Rivers next year, at least I'm not sure the

head coach does. And after the way he's been treated with his report coming out, I'm not sure Philip Rivers would want to be back anyway. I would love to know what happened in that sequence where they were Tyrod Taylor and you know it could have happened for a number of reasons, was flinging passes on the sideline and Rivers seemed like, oh, you ain't taken me out of this game, and he went back in. But was their conversation because there's clearly some disconnect between the coaching staff

and Philip Rivers. You know, it's sort of the B line through a lot of this madness and confusion. Their four and eight and they've outscored their opponents this year. It feels if that feels like every charge, if we're gonna get on Garts, we're gonna get on Garrett for close you know, losing close games because the situational football. This Chargers team is not coached in situational football. Drew lock Um, people are gonna give him a lot of credit.

And he he had the one interception, brother than that didn't make huge mistakes. He was sub gather zone in this game four point eight yards per attempt. I was not nearly as impressed with him as I was with court Courtland Sutton, who to me continues to put down a strong argument for that second all pro spot behind Michael Thomas. He has played as well as any a f C wide receiver. And it doesn't matter whose quarterbacking for them. It can be Joe Flacco, Brandon Now and

Drew Lock. He's beating his man in this case, one of the best cornerbacks in the league over the past half decade. Casey Hayward had a great diving touchdown catch and then obviously drew the past interference call that decided the game. I would say, also, no, I want to see a little more from Noah Fund. It feels like there's just lost yardage that he dropped at what could have been It should have been a touchdown. And during this whole stuff with the Chargers, they had no Von

Miller today. At one point Jeremy Jeremiah tashed you went out and Millie creed to They had too healthy outside linebackers. That should be an area where the Chargers can take advantage. They also had twenty thousand almost no shows, got people who bought tickets and didn't show up. You are not used to seeing that in Denver. It's these teams are both four and eight. I mean the Chargers are in a position now, you know, with the Redskins, the Dolphins,

the Bengals all win today. That you're not gonna fall behind the Bengals. But the Chargers are at four and eight. Who knows they might sneak into the top five and have a chance to go draft their next quarterback. You said, Noah font Mark, Is that like how you say on instead of ant? Yes, it is actually exactly what's happening there.

It's been a season long storyline. And I actually noticed downstairs today that he called him fants And I was like, oh, I think Mark Stern get I get tweets weekly for se Kwon Barkley verse se Kwan Barkley too. It's just I'm not gonna change Drew Drew lock uh finished sub Gabbard zone Uh. And there are some whispers downstairs in the news room. Does he pass the quarterback the look test look like a quarterback? Did this whisper start at your desk starting and you look at him in the

sideline the helmet off? Is that a franchise quarterback that? Now I'm not saying he is or he isn't. I'm just saying there was some chatter. It wasn't just me talking to myself. If there's a segment to not clip off for our social media video. I think that's it right there. Let's move on to snap on the shop and here's the snap to throw on goal passes. Now it's pickball here, there's something picked off by the box that we keep it outside the end zone. We go

and it's a picked by the Bucks. Tampa Bay has forced the fourth takeaway on the ball gave a Perfrey Button has his second career touchdown, this one today on the road in Jacksonville. Gene Decker off Bucks Radio Network. Yes, Sean Murphy bunting Murph, I'm sure as Buddy's call him picked off a Guarden meansho pass in the end zone, removing all semblance of drama at the Big Glorine tankleven. The Bucks beat the Jaguars. Mitchell entered the game after

um nick Foles melted down in the first half. The crowd is booing they weren't moving the ball, So Doug Barone makes the shift back to the rookie. So the Super Bowl MVP is on the bench. And uh, and Greg this, I mean, the whole nick Foles season has been a disaster. Uh, And it's been sloppy and staggered in all the wrong ways, and it just this seems like a fitting end to which has been a lost year for Fall. Yeah, I wave the weight flag and the whole Nick Foles Minshew debate. H Nick Foles was

the problem today in the first half. I mean, they have more than you know, just quarterback problems, but today he pulled in six drives, three three and outs in three turnovers. I mean that's like a that's going full Peterman's Like there was like one drop on a long pass that you know that that would have helped him, But other than that, it was his inability to move out of the way of the extremely effective Bucks pass rush, Shack Barrett and and Jason Pierre Paul leading the way.

And so yeah, I was on the offensive lineman who also hurt Minshew, who hadn't up and down. He definitely helped them in the second half, But it was the Bucks defense and Todd Bowles, you know, throwing all sorts of blitzes at him that just that just had this Jet Jaguars team fl mixed well. After playing mid season a bunch of shootouts in which you know, they could have won, but they lost. The Bucks have won three of the past four games, and they've just got way

more firepower than a team like the Jaguars. They should be winning almost every week now, wow, uh why do you every week against good teams? If their quarterback can avoid interceptions, they will beat these teams that they've almost beat. They are probably the best five and seven team out there. They could have a better record. Like this was a very Unbucks game. Winston through thirty three passes, didn't have an interception. O J. Howard and Breshad Perriman had a

combined hundred and forty eight yards. Chris Godwin and Mike Evans were barely over a hundred combined, like they used everyone. Devin White deserves mention as just a guy who's really coming on strong. The number five overall pick in the second half of his rookie year. He had an interception. He's great in pass coverage for a linebacker. Also had a touchdown on on a fumble recovery. And JPP just dominated. He had ten pressures. Your boy Shack Barrett two sacks,

So they do have a lot of him. They do have a lot of talent. It's like December Bucks no one. Uh yeah, it's nice good for him. You threw it there. Yeah, well I've I've come around on him, you know, weeks ago. I I know that was a take that I had, you know, back in like late September, which was drastically wrong and not even related to he was he's a free agent. He's gonna make some money. Maybe he'll be franchise tech. Why not. Might be have fun in Cleveland.

I know he's not gonna hit the market. The Jaguars, though, I've been outscored a hundred and seven to forty seven the last four weeks. That's twenty points a game, So that more than just the quarterback. That's well, and that's that's just like a full system meltdown. And there was fighting inside their locker room after the game. Andrew Norwell and Yannick and gok Way had to be separated and then they heard separate yelling in the shower. So it's

all happening. And they had they had issues last year on the Marone in the locker room and with with four Nette and the rest of them. And if we're gonna talk about these other coaches on thin ice, you know, Doug Marone is probably lucky to escape what happened last season and to get another chance this year, and it's just the team has totally fallen apart. When they were winning with Minshew. Part of it in a couple of those games was Leonard Fournette exploding in the running game,

having two hundred plus yards on the ground. So maybe you guys are right and we're right in the sense that, like I do believe in Minshew more than folds at this stage, for a minute, it looked like the Minshew magic was gonna happen. He came in, they scored eleven unanswered, and they had the ball on the two yard line. He that he had seven plays inside the ten, six straight plays inside the five with Minshew. In the fourth quarter, where they could have cut it to one score, he

winds up throwing an interception. They couldn't run the ball. The offensive line like it was everyone collapsing in this Uh, speaking of the doomed date, because sometimes it's seven, maybe six if you're lucky, but guys that could be fired. Yeah, you gotta add Maron to that list. So RIVERA Shermer group, Jake Gruden has already gone. That's just the way it is in the NFL. Alright, let's move on seventeen yards.

On the play first and ten, at the seventeen of the Jets, Dalton fakes a handoff from the pocket, throws open the middle of it. We're a touchdowne by Tyler boyd Andy Dalton threading the needle between two New York Jets defenders and with that touchdown pass, the red rifle stands alone career touchdown pass number one in his NFL career,

more than any other quarterback in Bengals history. It's almost like you shouldn't have benched him, Dave Horde, and you haven't heard them at all this year on our podcast because they hadn't won a game, But now they have. Bengals Radio Network, come off the roof, radio, man, you are free. Andy Dalton returned from an undeserved benching to spark the Bengals to win over the Jets at Paul

Brown Stadium. The win is Cincinnati's first and twelve tries this season, and a complete effort from the Bengals, who moved the ball with ease in the first half uh and shut down the Jets completely for four quarters. In fact, the Jets never even reached the red zone in this game. It was um quite frankly stunning, but also not at all studying all the things. I'm just glad I got my optimism in about the Jets. I got to have a nice week around Thanksgiving where I could have some fun.

But anybody that's watched the Jets and follow the Jets uh for long as long as I have, or even half as long or twice as long, knew exactly uh going into this game that this was a danger spot. And it became a lot more dangerous when Dalton re entered the fray for Ryan Finley. Because Dalton, you had a feeling, was gonna come in and play well, and he really did. But it's a once from from the

Bengal side of it. Uh. Good for them, and even they got a Washington Redskins win, so they there and even though the Giants are right behind them, they're still in position for the first overall pick. Uh. And their their front seven really did a good job in this game. Carlos Dunlop had three sacks. Geno Atkins was making plays. He's still around doing things, uh. And on the Jets, all those things that I laid out on Thursday that they had fixed their um offensive line and their secondary

and the UM play calling from Adam Gates. All that stuff went back in the other direction and went back to one in Sevenville. It was that bad. The worst the culprit was the offensive line, which was completely ineffective and it was embarrassing to watch, quite frankly as a Jets fan. UM an offensive line that committed seven penalties allowed four sacks of safety. Uh, it's just hard to figure it out and also just such a bad look. Again for Adam Gates, who has the vote of confidence

from his coaching staff. The three straight wins UH probably ensures that he'll be back uh this season. But there's nothing I could be said about this performance other than it was grotesque. In the Jets made NFL history as their want to do a team that seems chemically addicted to embarrassing themselves. Uh. They are the first team to ever um surrender and lose to a team that was at least owen seven, which was the Dolphins last month, and now a team that's that was O one eleven.

So two teams that got their first win against the Jets after seven straight losses are more to open the season. No team ever done that. Congratulations New York Jets, and congratulations to the Bengals, because they never were They never fit the profile quite frankly as an o N sixteen team. They had been hanging in a lot of games this year and had gone down to the wire a bunch of times and just couldn't figure it out. In this game. It kind of all wind up for them and they

got a dub. We've alluded to it a couple of times recently. This is not the same Bengals team as the mid season punching bag that was getting their doors blown off. On defense especially and a lot of tackles. They have allowed about twelve points a game over the last three weeks. And you get Andy Dalton back. I'm not saying he's a savior. John Ross could be coming back soon. Who knows if a J Green might play. This is a different team, and I think they're gonna

be tough to beat the rest of the way. They well they you already said they're beating the Patriots in a few weeks, so that that is a prediction. Now

they're big time win for them. It really speaks to how strange this Bengals franchises and season that Zach Taylor, you know, in the postgame celebration, and I kind of it's one of my favorite like sneaky things is when the team gets their first win of the season after a long losing streak, just like it feels like to that team they want a playoff game, like they are so excited, gatorade baths and all that, right, like they

were just going crazy in the locker room. But it's just annie that he hands the game ball out to Andy Dalton, of course, which which makes all the sense. You know, exactly, the guy that they had just bench basically for for a fourth round rookie you had no idea, throws at the Dalton. Dalton doesn't catch it, goes on the ground, and then dog Dog picks it up and he gives it back to Zach Taylor, which is really

nice of Andy Dalton. He gave a game ball to Zach Taylor, saying, you know, we all support you and all that, and he's given it to the guy who benched him. Who knows it might not even be Taylor's decision to bend it, but it just it all felt very even in a happy moment, it felt very bad. And they'll finish four and twelve. I like, I know the vote of confidence for Gaye, and we'll see what happens with the Jets. I don't kill them on this loss the same way I would with with the some

of the other ones. They I'm sure they were just organized. I'll go watch it. But the Bengals almost beat the Steelers, they almost beat the Raiders. That said any vote of confidence. There's still a lot of weeks left to go in the season, and it does matter. I think how Gays finishes this out. I don't wouldn't I put him on that list of coaches you mentioned if it were to morph into it from that list at this point, well, and I would ask this, and I would ask this, like,

you're keeping him? And why is it too? Is it a self confirmation of a decision you made last offseason or is it because you truly think he's the guy and they just have other issues that are bigger than him. At this point, we've talked about it, Christopher Johnson, this was his big higher and they don't want to go one and done because one and done is kind of a devastating look for a franchise. Also, so they they're

gonna stick with him. I don't. I think they could lose out here and maybe that does come and play, but I think that's what would have to happen. And they were coming off three games, so they looked really good. So maybe this is just a bump of the road. But it's been a bad season. There's no other way to describe it. One note on Andy Dalton and that franchise record for touchdown passes, that speaks a lot to

how unreliable football stats are. And you can't compare across eras he's at best the fourth best quarterback in that franchise's history, behind Ken Anderson, Boom, Rescias and car and Palmer. And depending how you feel about Greg Cook's rookie year, let's give it to Andy for you know, he did take him to five playoffs one year. Six games of Greg Cooked in an entire career of Andy Dalton, all

right on to Sunday Night football. Sean hands off the chops, him out to hop right side, he flips the ball, the Watson timing for the pylon and he's got it. Wrastle tussle, touchdown Houston Shawn Watson without touchdown coming from his body. DeAndre Hopkins beautiful, beautiful. Indeed, Mark Vandermere and Andre where with the call Texans Radio Network to Shaun Watson, he was the best quarterback on the field on Sunday night in Houston, throwing three touchdown passes and yes involved

on the beautiful trickery there h for another score. The Houston Texans to New England Patriots two. Whoa very interesting Chris Westling, I'm gonna start with you on this one because you had you had the testicular fortitude to lock up the Texans against the previously ten and won Pats, and it paid off in a big way. Well, I've been thinking for a while now that the football world is not judging the Patriots for who they are. They're judging the Patriots for who they have been in the past.

It's been evident that this offense is among the bottom third offenses in the NFL for a month or six weeks now. They have these issues. They have not been corrected, and I think when you look at this team is the second worst rushing attack of the Brady era, It's the worst tight end group of the Brady era, it's one of the worst wide receiver groups of the Brady era, and it's an offensive line that has a different starting lineup almost every week. They lost Ted Carriss. The Patriots

did their starting center today. He was the only offensive lineman that had played every snap. And you're bringing in Kirk Ference's son, and that was a huge He doesn't even get a name. Uh yeah, you know, a little fair and you know everyone knows him, like, yeah, Shack Mason, who's the guy who got the contract extension. Has struggled all year and the offensive line is a problem in

the offense is a problem. And but this is the night I think that all those problems showed up in a bigger way than before because it was a matchup on paper that looked good. And I think the first half was the worst half of offensive football they played. And you have to give a lot of credit to Romeo Cornell and the Texans defense for mixing up coverages

and also sending blitz is. And Tom Brady had more time to throw and tried to extend plays a little longer actually than any Patriots game all year, and he couldn't find guys open, and they were daring the Patriots to throw deep, and so he did and there was nothing there. It was either a miscommunication with Jacoby Myers or with Nikkil Harry, who was a big factor in the first interception which really changed the game and ultimately gotten to kill Harry benched or Hamed Sanu dropping a

pass on fourth down. So right now Brady doesn't have anyone he trusts other than Adelman and James White. And we're in what week a lot of lip readers out tonight, Yeah, there were. I mean we're in that. We're now in the time where we say, you know, Belichick, he just uses September to craft his master plan on offense and figure out how to round into shape as some sort of total juggernaut. And to West's point, they're just not fixing it. They had a sixty nine yard field goal

drive to open the game. Their next five drives did not cover more than thirty yards each. Then they lost the ball on downs and I love the Texans doing what you need to do against England, but just be ultra aggressive the trick play that we open with. But then they had the shot to Will Fuller that went out incompleted the back into the end zone, almost a catch. And they go right back after that to Kenny Stills and It's like, that's how you need to handle New England.

And their defense has been super consistent, but they got buzz sawed by the Ravens. They got taken to town a night by Houston's offense. You have to wonder, just I don't I think I'm not gonna view New England as they're gonna round into this number one seed material over the next couple of weeks. I wonder what will happen against the Bills. I wonder what will happen down

the road the Chiefs next week. We in a podcast that you know, technical difficulties might have wiped it away from a lot of our listeners, but we talked about it on the Friday Morning Thanksgiving recap show. The Bills are lying in the weeds a little bit at nine

and three. If the Pats came down to Earth and now you have the Pats tendant to they fall out of the number one seed that's now property of the Ravens for the time being, and New England now goes and has a big matchup against the Chiefs, who are obviously an excellent team as well. It's it's a very interesting time and I want to because I feel like this falls to me certain things like the Eli Manning

defending Bill O'Brien, trying to give him some praise. It's hard to get praise for Bill O'Brien in this room sometimes. But they're eight and four, they are looking like they're gonna well, and the Titans should be taken seriously at this point. But I still like the Texans to win that division. And on the same day that Ian Rapport reported that the Texans are not planning to hire a general manager in they like what he's doing running that

whole show. Uh, this is just an organization that's become consistent and year after year. I don't know if it's going to translate into January. But the Texans to me are a dangerous team in the conference. They play the Titans twice in the last three weeks of the of the season that will decide the division, and I think the odds are increasing that both of those teams make the playoffs. They will have a chance, And I think

the Patriots defense for the most part played well. You know, they give up the touchdown where Brady has an interception in the red zone early, they get a lot of punts they give up for you know they had Texans had two and seventy six yards on the day. They got a lot of stops, they didn't make big plays.

What I saw was Deshaun Watson and UH eight Jordan nakin is making a play and Kenny Stills making a play in Duke Johnson getting singled up on Kyle van Noy, and I just saw better athletes winning their one on one match ups because they were better on those plays and they deserve to win it. A lot of the times, the Patriots blitz is we're getting home and Watson was just too good. And I think that's like good offense is gonna be good defense. I don't look at the

Patriots defense any differently. I look at a Patriots offense that I have been saying that I think has time to round into form, and I think that's still true. I mean they think they will. I I mean it depends what form is good enough to win playoff games. I think that's absolutely possible. But they have four weeks left. I mean a year ago at this time, they were

also losing to the Dolphins and the Steelers. We've seen so many teams over the years, over and over this happens to us that teams stink in December and they win the Super Bowl. So if you're Patriots fan just trying to manage the season, they want to get to that by They need to get the buy and the one seed is gonna be tough at this point. But if they can get whatever it is, they win two or three of the last four games. They probably need to win three of the last four games. If you

beat the Chiefs, you're probably gonna get it. You're in good shape. Beat the Chiefs at home. You've got at Cincinnati home, Buffalo home, Miami. But who knows the Texans also, you know, if they could play well enough, could maybe they could run the table and they have a tie break. When the Patriots lose, they tend to lose convincingly. I mean they got blown out three times last year. They've

been blown out twice this year. Uh, it's not like totally out of their character that we've seen it, whether the team the Patriots team we've seen in the lost to Baltimore, the barely winning against the Eagles, barely winning against the Cowboys, and losing to Texans in convincing fish and cannot be counting on to go into Cincinnati and

just win the game. I don't think that. I think if they their schedule has helped them a lot this year, whereas if they had a tougher schedule, they might be a more normal record like eight and four, which again isn't like, isn't the end of the world. I do think that there are pieces here, but you're starting to run out of time. You threw the ball five times to s New you thought maybe he'd be an answer fourteen yards. You threw it six times to Dorsett, who

was in one month coverage a lot fifteen yards. So there's really struggling to find like where is this offense coming from? And if you have a pretty bad offensive line, which they do right now, when you play the better defenses and the Chiefs have a pretty good past defense, like it's gonna be tough. You're gonna need turnovers, and you're gonna need to be in foxborol most like, I just haven't seen Tom Brady this frustrated in regular season

games like this consistently week after week. And there were a series of flags on the offensive line that are not characteristic for the Patriots. So it isn't just you know, you have to fix one position group. There's a lot to fix. Do I trust any team more to do it than the Patriots. Obviously it's every year they do this. We get it, but something different with Brady it is different. We also said we thought it was different last year. The difference this year is it's offense. And I know

and I always trust offense more than defense. And the offense is like nothing we've seen in the in the Belichick era. Again though, like the teams that get the buy, it's just it's just a three game tournament and then it's your matchups and sometimes in the Patriots have gotten some breaks over the years of you know, they get to play the championship game even when they're not the one seat or a certain matchup falls the way way.

There's a lot of ways you can get lucky. But right now, unless they get a lot better, they're gonna need to get lucky. Let's play a fun game, um, I asked Erica, and even though she's a Patriots, then she did do it, so that was she's a pro. I asked her to cut the Patriots radio network highlight of that trick played by the Texans. Now, if the Pats did that, play. Zolak would be hollering like a madman and saying, warm up the busses and all that stuff.

Will we hear from Zolak uh during this call and the immediate moments after, will you hear his voice? Yeah, we'll hear him down a beer? Probably. Have you heard this yet? I have not heard it. I I think so because, like I'm assuming that he realizes that's part of his job. I don't think it's going to be as wild and vociferous, but you know, yes, I think we'll hear his voice. This is the very is the literal definition. I predict radio silence from Zolac greg Let's

hear uh silence? I guess, okay, okay, let's see walks and he hands it up to Johnson and then gives it to Hopkins. On a reverse he pitches it to the right social dives to the pylon. Did he get in to Shaun Watsons celebrating with his teammates the pylon knocked over the officials with a less than emphatic signal and the text, if you guess you just want to gain here? That makes sense? That might be come back the Texas. I almost think that both sides are right

that we did hear from him. But to your point, it was not like, oh wow, what great triggeration warm up the buses now, It was I think you've got jobbed on that one. Villas Hey, Ricky also a tweet from you sent during the game. Belichick looks more disappointed than when I gave my dad's new Mercedes a car wash and used the mop to reach the roof, causing the metal bar to scratch the entirety of the car. First of all, that sucks, but a bit of a flex that you grew up with Mercedes and your driveway.

Um No, I didn't think of it like that. I thought of it more of like my dad was so upset when I tried to do this nice thing for him, Um, and it made If it was just his Toyota Corolla, it wouldn't have been a big of a deal. It was it was a Mercedes, and I was like, I'm going to give my dad a secret car wash. And I reached on top of the roof with the mop and you know how there's the metal bar that like holds the mop to the stick part of it, and I just scratched the top of my dad's new Mercedes,

back and forth, secret car wash, Yeah, I want. I wanted to be nice and like do it something for my dad? And what was your punishment or did he think it was such a nice act that he saw he didn't care about the scratch. Oh no, I had to buy him n Mercedes. You you were like nikkil Harry was like, oh, I'm gonna surprise Tom Brady with this special new route. I'm gonna run and then not be sorry. The only Mercedes I've ever been in is when I was like parking valet cars for the rich

people at the top of the hill. We don't we believe that. I said, Wow, you could have leather in the interior. Unbelievable. Do you need a car wash day? I mean, if there's any if there's any four people who have overcome more in life, I don't think you could find them outside of you know, created narratives spun from fiction. Um, all right, so good stuff. We'll be back on Tuesday with a podcast breaking down all what's

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