¶ Intro / Opening
It might make you sad to hear this , but I think one of the biggest things that matters when it comes to success is being able to do something that you don't want to do but you know is necessary , because the results are what you're shooting for . So much of what I do on a daily basis I don't necessarily want to do .
It's not that I hate it , but I have that so often where it's like I really don't want to do this . But here's a list of five reasons I should , and when I do that I'm more successful .
I think there's certain things in all of our futures that will not be bigger , better or brighter if we don't make immediate changes in the now and today . I want to talk a little bit more with Kevin about what he had to change to get to his now .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation today for episode number 2060 . We're doing a little part two . Why are you smiling ? Because of we had funnies . Yeah , yeah , we had some . A little part two . Why are you smiling ? Because of we had funnies . Yeah , yeah , we had some funnies happen before this Episode number 2060, .
This is part two , based on what we did yesterday . This one thing made the biggest difference for us . We finished yesterday's episode and I said Alan , I still have one more I want to add . So the thought was , yesterday's episode was the truth about what you need to change in order to be more successful . This is probably the biggest one .
I had a moment Saturday . Okay , so last week was a freaking busy week . Friday worked 6am till 6pm and I count the gym as work . If you don't and you think that's wrong , I don't care , I have to count it . It's part of the brand and it's work . It is it's work . So , 12-hour day Drove an hour and a half down to Matt's , stopped and picked up food .
Got five guys Ate within my calories though , so all good , stayed up until midnight , played some Call of Duty . No fries , I did get fries . I got one burger and fries Kind of sucks . I was freaking , starving after .
You got to go with double burger . No fries .
We were discussing that . I was like nah dude , I'd rather have fries , so I'll suffer a little bit , but I'm going to have fries and again , again . Like all things considered , I get to have five guys , so it could be worse . So we went to bed at midnight or one , and we were , of course , g bacon and chi bacon wasn't crispy . Fuck that . I was so angry .
It's like what it's like . No , I can't eat . I can't eat soggy beef especially when it's extra calories . It's tough . I thought I took it off , hadoukened it right into the right .
Did you really ?
I had to . Good for you , I had to . We were getting ready for bed and I was like all right , man , I'll see you . What time are you getting up ? Are you getting up early ? And Matt was like I don't know , man , I'll probably aim for like seven hours of sleep , he to do . Man , you have so much work to do .
If I don't work tomorrow , I'm gonna , I'm in trouble
¶ Waking up to hard choices
. Alarm goes off at six and I was like fuck this , this is terrible news for me and I had you ever have a list of stuff ? That's like you have five things that are like really deep work and they take a long time to get into and there's just like you can't hit flow because there's so many things you have to do within the thing .
All the time I had like five of those and I had a moment at like 6 30 when I had a coffee in hand ready to go where I was like I do not want to do this today at all . I do not want to do this at all . This is freaking terrible . And then I had this moment where I said , well , this you have to like nobody else is gonna it .
You said yes to all of these things Like you have to push through and you have to do it . And I think that's probably the biggest differentiator between where I used to be and where I it off , and I put it off until I my back was against the wall and I had to study because I just didn't want to study .
So I just kept pushing , putting it off , putting it off . You can't really do that when you're chasing your dreams , because you'll put it off forever . There's no , there's no deadlines , there's no one there to tell you to do it , and it doesn't seem like there's an immediate downside , but the immediate downside is happening all the time
¶ Doing it even when you hate it
. That one thing , whatever that is , you can say F your feelings , whatever the label is for you , right ? I don't ? That sounds toxic , I don't mean it in that way , but the ability to know that something must be done and for you to do it even when you just don't want to .
There's something to that and I think that's the thing , because , as a dream chaser , we fall into this . Well , I only want to do what I want , or the reason I started to be a dream chaser so I could do what I want .
I understand Same , and I do get to do a lot of what I want , but what I want to do is always surrounded by a bunch of small things that I don't , and I think that's like a master skill if you can get there .
Nice . Yeah , thank you . I remember I said this on an episode , I believe , last week , and I said the science of achievement doesn't give a shit about how you feel . Unfortunately , unfortunately , I'm not saying that's a good thing , it's just the truth . I don't know if you can achieve , I guess I'll say , big goals , and big goals are relative .
Yeah , there's no way you cannot achieve big goals without doing things you don't want to do . I don't think so . No , I'll go into the gym and Emilio will say what are we doing today ? Because she'll lead , or I'll lead , depending on who has more in the tank Usually me , because I'm ahead in fitness .
I've been doing it a lot longer and it depends on who's in the gym , it depends what's taken . So the moment I get into the gym , yeah , I have an idea , I have a roadmap , but the moment the squat rack is taken or the bench is taken , I have to pivot . Okay , we're doing dumbbell today instead .
I don't want to , but we either do chest day push day is what we call it or we . There's a question that one of the Kevin and I were on a podcast . We had him on our podcast too . Do you remember the question , guy ? That's good branding right there , the fact that you might come up with it , mark . Champagne Nice , that's good branding .
The question guy .
I think I remember Well , yeah , yeah . But I also remember it because there was very few people that we had on and that were on ours . That was a piece of it , that's a great point , Mark .
we enjoyed him .
Yes , that was great
¶ Stop negotiating with yourself
yeah .
One of the questions that he said he attributed to Kobe Bryant . But he said one of the questions that he asks himself often is where am I negotiating with myself ? There is no negotiating with myself , and that's kind of what you're talking about , is ? It doesn't really matter if you want to or not , and I just wonder if that's a common thing .
Okay , so let's bring this back to the interview . So this is part two . The last episode was yesterday , and I've done back-to-backs yesterday and today , so catch me up . So the first thing you said was your relationship with failure .
Minds , so growth mindset and relationship with failure .
I think or fixed mindset and then the third one was what being able to do what you don't want to do this is , yeah .
The third one is knowing that something has to be done and you being able to show up and do it , regardless of whether or not you want to nice , which is self-discipline essentially yeah , I think that's like I was on a podcast today . It was awesome , great dude . He rescheduled like three times and it was like I'm so excited , just a cool dude .
And he said why is fitness so important to you ? And I said because it's proof positive that discipline works . It's like proof positive . Am dieting and there's a bunch of things that I want to eat . Like I wanted to get two burgers and two fries and a hot dog , but I I didn't . I wanted to . It's not that I didn't want to .
I went and picked up the food and I literally I told matt when I got to his house I was like dude , I had a fry in my hand , I was gonna eat it in the car and I was like I can't , I gotta wait till I get there so I'm not gonna miss , but that's , that's a gentle a , that's a little example .
It's not that serious , but that's like it's the principle of it . It is serious , the principle . Well , I think the principle is serious , not that actual . The principle underneath it is more serious than the practice that I , that I showed everything .
So bear with me , but it's it's super fixed , meaning you think nothing can change . Fixed , you think some things can change , but usually it's external to yourself . And then you've got growth , which means you can improve over time , and then super growth , which is it's all you can do . Anything .
Super growth is also dangerous and it's a spectrum and they all have their own limiting beliefs associated with them . So fixed versus growth , mindset is number one . And again , this is again this is me priming myself as well . I'm interviewing you about you eight years ago . What you needed to change to get here ?
Essentially Because , quite frankly , you are honest enough and humble enough to say , hey , I was not going to be this successful unless I changed a lot of stuff , for sure , and your changes will pay dividends forever . It will skills , monetize forever who you become . You can use forever the , the version of kevin
¶ The version of you that won’t succeed
. Eight years ago , when we first started working together , the , the biggest client we have , that's working with you they wouldn't work with that guy . No , they would notice okay , he's a mess . We can't work with a mess . Oh , let's have him run our scope of work . No way , why would they do ?
And I wonder if people fully understand I don't mean people , but I wonder if we make it clear enough how important that is . If you can't take care of your own finances , why would someone else trust you If you can't take care of your own health ?
I said this in book club and I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way , but I remember I got I won a personal training thing free raffle and the head trainer there was very out of shape and I didn't like him . I knew him from the past and I thought he was a dingus . But I said I want Nate .
Nate was the best trainer there and he was jacked out of his mind . I mean , he was just next level and I was like I want Nate . She's like , well , nate's not is the head trainer . He's the head trainer , he's a , he's higher than nate . I said don't care , I'm good , this is my time , I'm not gonna waste my time . She's like , well , it's free .
I'm said no , it's not , it's my time , but anyways , uh , to bring this to you . So fix versus growth mindset , your relationship with failure . And then this last one is just self-discipline your relationship with failure .
And then this last one is just self-discipline . Self-discipline in the things that you don't want to be disciplined . It's not necessarily disciplined for me to go to the gym if I want to go to the gym . It's not necessary , I mean , it's not that doesn't require discipline if I want to do it . So I don't think I should get full credit for that .
Like strong work . I enjoy the gym most of the time not all the time , but most of the time I do . When I know I'm going for a workout Like today was back day I was like excited to do back . Hell , yeah , let's go do back .
How did you develop so much discipline , self discipline , self Cause . No one's going to discipline for you . I don't know , that's that's what's hard .
I think I carried over from fitness what I had in fitness . I think doing a bodybuilding show might be it's one of the hardest things I've ever done . For sure , for sure , yeah , same . It was terrible , it's absolutely terrible , just terrible .
It was bad . The one I won was bad .
The other ones weren't so bad . 99.9% of it is the prep . It's like the show day is awesome , but that's one day out of 90 . So I guess it's not 99.9% .
It's not even that I mean . You were already in great shape for years .
Yeah .
How long have you been lifting weights prior to deciding to do a bodybuilding show ?
Oh man .
Decade right . Yeah 10 years , yeah , 10 years , yeah . And then you decide to do one , and then it's 90 days of hell , and then it's oh , I won a trophy and I won the whole thing . That's great . I don't think you won the overall .
I did not win that .
No , you won your class , just so it's not actually three months . It's well 10 years and three months , but that but the 10 years was great compared to the three months .
Yeah , fair , I think that's a I . I tried to carry that over and then , honestly , I wonder if I think the best answer I can give is you have to sign up for things . And again , this is a fine line . I've signed up for a lot of things that I really wanted the reward for , but I didn't really want to do that .
Like I do a lot of stuff for that big client that I don't want to do . I've learned a lot of stuff , but it's always like , yeah , well , this is what you signed up for and there's a reason you signed up for it , so you got to do it .
We're in a different position as a business where there's people on the team that are better at way better at things than I am . So I can have a conversation with them and say , hey , I think it's time for you to take this over . You're better at this than I am , but I mean , I think that's kind of it . You and I , in the beginning , fell into roles .
I was going to do the audio editing , I was going to do the video editing . I was going to do the thumbnails . I was going to do certain things you were going to do , certain things neither of us guests really wanted to do that . Yeah , that was just the requirement .
I think I last thing , and I'll kick it to you it's very easy to start dream chasing and say , oh yeah , I used to have a job . I hated listening to the boss . Your , your dreams are the boss now , not you , your dreams are the boss and you work for your dreams , and I think that's the best way to think about it .
Okay ,
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The link will be in the show notes . The last episode we did and we still have plenty of time we got six minutes here . Plenty , plenty of time , plenty of time . Yeah , it's all relative . The last time , the last episode , part one , I asked you these questions because I didn't understand . I said we're all playing not to lose .
I was playing not to lose relationships . Unconsciously , I didn't want to lose any more friends , I didn't want to outgrow family , I didn't want to lose people and I felt really good at success , but not good at relationships . You felt the opposite . I was afraid of success , you were afraid of failure .
Okay , for new listeners , I know I'm paraphrasing and not doing a great job explaining . This is similar and I'm going to say this , even though I'm afraid to say it I have never once said I want to achieve a result without predetermining in advance that I am also signing up for everything that it takes to require it .
Like to me and I said this to Kevin behind the scenes and I'm going to share it here and I will explain it after I say it it doesn't fucking matter whether or not I want to do it , it doesn't matter , it's completely irrelevant to whether , if I want to achieve X result , it doesn't fucking matter that I don't want to do Y , a , b , c
¶ Success comes with invisible costs
, d and this is a better metaphor If I want D result , it doesn't fucking matter that I don't want to do A , b and C . It's irrelevant .
But you're aware of what A , b and C are .
I think that's where I in the past I wasn't . I don't know if I was always aware of what it would take . So did you presuppose and this is a good question I want you to actually answer Was there a part of you that thought that you'd like it ? Like when people set goals ? I know I sound judgmental in this .
I want to try my best to be me but also be centered . I don't understand why you would set a goal and then be upset with what it takes to achieve it , because that means you set a goal having like . Did you actually think you'd like it Like ? Setting goals is terrible . I was hopeful .
There's nothing good about goal achievement . I was hopeful . Yeah , Because if I'm already miserable ?
the last thing I want to do is be miserable more . Now again , if the reason you're miserable is because you're not aiming at anything meaningful and you're not fulfilled and you're not climbing mountains I know Climbing mountains . No one goes on a hike to like . Sitting on the couch is only fun for so long .
The people sitting on the couch for too long including myself in the past , the people climbing meaningful mountains were always the envy , and so I always say climbing mountains sucks . When you're on the mountain and you're sweating and you're struggling and it's raining and it's pouring and you feel like crap , but you're always glad you climbed .
It's better than sitting on the couch .
Yeah , but you got to do it for long enough . It's not if you just if you make it to the first base camp and turn around and say I can't do this , it's not , no way , cause then you feel like a failure . So many of the goals I started . I always again I use this example .
There was a time where I was like I'm going to order phone cases from china and I'm going to have my own little ebay business and then when I started it , I was like I don't want to learn how to do all this fuck , that I thought it was going to be easier , and then I just stopped doing it , that I think that's the norm , that's how it works , that's
how it worked , that's how it worked for me .
¶ The myth of easy entrepreneurship
That was it . What would you do now ? Because you're not like that anymore .
I wouldn't , I wouldn't start in the first place because it's like I don't really want to do this . I think what happens so often is we look for the way out . I was on a show the other day and I was like one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on social media is if you hate your job , you should start a business .
No , you should look for a new job .
First is what you should do you shouldn't .
Just I don't like my job , I should go work for myself . Fuck no , that person's obviously a business coach ?
I think they were or if you're struggling .
If you , if right now you're struggling for money and you want to be able to control your income , be your own boss . No , you will be broker for a long time .
Can you explain control your income Like ?
I don't even know . It's a dumb thing . You are in way more . You are in way more influence slash control of how much money you can make , because when you're a dream chaser and an entrepreneur and a business owner , there is no ceiling but there also ain't no floor . Unfortunately , there ain't no floor and there are no safety nets .
There are no safety nets that I think that's one of the reasons it's so hard to be a business owner , because if you are not disciplined , it's it is nearly impossible to win . It is nearly impossible because you're competing against people that are super disciplined . Nice , if I say this in group coaching we have , we have a call tonight .
You're competing against alan and I now I'm it's .
I'm not saying it has to be a competition there's plenty of listeners like I'm not saying it from from the ego place but like you're competing against people like us who have traded a lot for this and I know you've traded a lot too but you can't be skipping episodes and you can't say I don't really feel like no , no , no , this is serious business okay , did
you understand ?
okay ? So real quick , let's say there's a tv show on netflix . How many shows are there on netflix ? There's what ? Five thousand at000 at least , if not more . Everyone who produces a show is competing with every other show . Is that a normal , obvious thought ?
¶ Win the battle against yourself first
No , because I think even even me giving that , giving that statement , is dumb , because most people are competing against themselves first . That's what discipline does you win the battle against yourself . If you want to win the battle against anybody else , you have to win the battle against yourself first . Nice .
That's where we have to start . Last question how do you win the battle against yourself ? How did you ? How did you ? Because I think it's different for everybody .
but how did you Make it small to begin with ?
I'm way more disciplined today than I've ever been because I've done so many things that require discipline . But if you handed me my schedule today and said , all right , cool , go do that Eight years ago , I would have said , dude , no way , how long do I have Like at this week ?
No , don't want that life , Because the truth is you wouldn't go back Because this is better . I'm telling you my schedule's full , but this is better than the alternative .
But I think the opportunity that comes from it , the growth that comes from it , as long as it's something you , as long as the belief in self-esteem and self-worth too , though you feel good about Kevin now every day . Yeah , no , yes . And I still have . It still sucks to look at my calendar and say , like how the hell am I going to do that today ?
Like that sucks . That part , I don't know . You get better at it . It gets a little bit easier . It's easier anyway because it's aligned . So even the hard days are still more aligned than an easy day doing what I used to .
Because I love this , I love the grind , I love being in business , I love podcasting , I love speaking , I love coaching , I love helping people . So even on the hard days , it's a little bit easier . Discipline starts very small , just like everything else does that you you start by setting and keeping the small promises to yourself .
That's probably the simplest answer , especially when you don't want to . We are really good at finding excuses really good . I mean , humans are really good at solving problems . One problem is I don't want to do this . How do I make myself not feel guilty about it ? That's raining , it is raining , yes , it is . So I won't do that .
You're gonna feel like shit about that . You can only do that so many times before you start to understand you're making excuses . So I think you have to start from a very , a very , very small place of discipline is what I would say I know you gotta go I do you ?
know we gotta go wrap this whole thing . Did you get across what you had hoped ? Because you ended the last episode with we got to do a part two ?
did do this part .
Yeah , that last part , this what we talked about today , yeah , like when you said I want to do a part two , I think we should do a part two , and I said it's our show , we should let's do it . Give just that , like what you wanted to make sure got got across .
There's a lot of people that say discipline doesn't work and discipline go with the flow and life of ease and all that stuff , and maybe you can have seasons of that , I don't know . Is that going to get you where you want to go ? No , no , no , no , no , no . Sundays are ease . I have a lot of ease on Sundays , I do , but Monday is terrible .
I still love Mondays , one of my favorite days of the week , but I , it's fucking hard . And there's very people say like well , you got to let go . I've tried it , it didn't work . No , I got to hang on , because if I let go , who's controlling it ? It's just , it's just going to happen . I don't , I can't believe that . I've tried it , I .
It didn't work for me . So I think discipline is one of those things that is a necessary suck , just like a lot of things are . Tracking habits is kind of a necessary suck for me at least . Right , I'm you , do you , you can do whatever you want out there . This is what has suck for me , at least .
Right , I'm you , do you , you can do whatever you want out there . This is what has worked for me . That's a necessary
¶ Discipline is a necessary suck
suck . Getting up at six is a necessary suck , it's just , that's the way I have to do it . It is what it is , and all of those things require discipline because , very honestly , none of you would know whether or not I did it . You would have no idea whether or not I did the thing I said I was going to do .
You would would have no idea if I didn't . I could be lying this whole time . Oh yeah , I sleep , I get up at nine . I'm just going to go on the podcast and say I sleep , I get up at six . I can do that and nobody would know . I would notice .
Oh , I know , I know I study you , I know it sucks and oftentimes it sucks , but I'm telling you I think that's the thing , that is the equalizer . The people that are more consistent are more disciplined and they design their , their environments better . Right , that's a piece of it too Discipline and design that .
That yeah , fired up today . Fired up Nice . When you order something on Amazon , you are paying for it to be delivered . Remember , someone else has to deliver it . There's a reason you're paying . Yeah , you pay money for that . No one can just ship things for free . I hope that lands . I don't think it does . You're paying for someone else's discipline .
Yeah , yes , every dollar you spend is paying for someone else to do something for you . So if you want to make money , you have to do something for someone else and get paid for it . That's what discipline is , and it has to be something the other person doesn't want to do that they'd rather pay money for . I wonder if that's .
I wanted to take that opportunity to bring that in , just because I obviously have a sneaky goal to teach economics .
I was going to say that sounds like a business growth university episode good sir , which is where we're headed . Keep that shit off of here , all right . Next , elvin Nation . If you're looking for a group of like-minded individuals who are working on their discipline , they're working on their consistency , all of that stuff . They're hyper-focused on personal development .
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You can keep your mic and camera off if you want .
¶ Outro
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