¶ Intro / Opening
A very unfortunate truth is no matter how much good you're doing in the world , there will be somebody who is having a bad day , who wants to pass their bad day on to you , and it doesn't even matter that you're doing good . They don't care about that . They're not focused on that .
They're focused on feeling better , unfortunately at the expense of you and making you feel worse when someone else is shining , when they're growing tall .
you can either be inspired and try to grow taller yourself , which takes more belief and more self-esteem and more self-discipline , or you can just chop them down and feel better .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation . Today , for episode number 21011 , there's always someone who wants to rain on your effing parade did you put effing in the ?
no , I didn't put effing in the , I don't have that kind of courage .
I'm a coward would never , couldn't do , it couldn't do it .
I didn't mean the full swear , I just meant effing e-f-f-I-N with a little dash thing .
I could think about it now , though Nice , nobody would know the difference . Alan asked me . He said what are you learning , man ? And I said well , one of our clients is very big on YouTube . They have 108,000 subscribers . They're getting 1.5 million views a month Like they're crushing .
They're doing really , really well and I've been helping them with their comments and I always look at their comments anyway and he said what are you learning ?
And I said even if you are doing like the most positive shit trying to help people , adding value , giving stuff away for free , raising people's awareness , supporting people , whatever there's always someone who is going to shit on your parade .
Real quick , yeah . What do you think you know these people ? Yeah , you work with these people . What do you think of them as human beings , great humans Like just ?
they are doing very well financially because of their past choices . Very well financially because of their past choices . And the thing when I first met them , the thing that I was told was we want to give back add value and we're big on philanthropy . We want to give back add value , we're big on philanthropy . There was never a discussion of money .
They're not in this to make money .
They just want to add value .
And it's great . In terms of quality , human being zero to 10? .
Super high man . It's great In terms of quality human beings 0 to 10 ? Super high man Statistically , From what I've known and understood , 9 .
And they're still getting chopped down More than you would think it has helped me a ton to be in their comments because it gives me the logical response without the emotional one , and I know them behind the scenes and it's .
But then you start to yes , I hope to one day get to the place where I am so centered and so Zen that I just immediately have empathy . You know , oh , that Alan Lazarus guy who left that , that negative comment . He's probably going through it . He's probably going through this isn't about me , this is about him . It's not about me . Am I there yet ?
No , but this does help me understand that a lot of these people are just struggling
with their own shit . We were I , so taran and I went and saw friends on saturday I don't know one of these days and taran and this and this person went to high school together . They've been friends for a long time .
They went to high school together and they were talking about how there were certain people that were bullied and certain people that did the bullying . And now the people who are doing the bullying a lot of them are not doing so hot in life .
And I said isn't ?
it . Well is it , but isn't it interesting and Alan I always have these things get heated when we talk about this , so let's , we'll see what happens . See what happens .
He's not a fan of bullies personally same same but isn't it interesting that a lot of the people that were bullies got bullied and now they're dealing with the childhood shit that they never faced , that created the bully in the first place . Again , not an excuse . Not an excuse doesn't make it right , not negating what they did .
I gotta say that because alan gets fired up .
And what about the people who went through it and didn't bully people ?
Shout out to them for being more evolved humans or having better circumstances or having a better reaction and a better response . I think that's it should be . You could have been a fucking bully I would . I definitely had bullied people in the past , not terribly but I what do you mean ?
I wasn't like a knock your books out of your hand type , but when I would go fishing with my friends I would intentionally flip the boat over . I'd be in it too . I'm okay with it Because I wanted to make people laugh . I thought it was funny . It's not always funny for people , and at the time I was just just a little .
I was looking for significance , and I got significance by causing mayhem at times , even if it was my own mayhem too , that . But look , I didn't have any significance as a kid . I was trying to find a way to get significance . I can understand . Now , again , it doesn't make it right . It doesn't make it right .
My and that's my goal in this , in this discussion is zero to ten .
How much do you think she's bullied ?
not statistically three , three , because it was . These were my friends . I really cared about these people and they were my . They were my friends . It's not like I was trying to wreck their day . I was trying to make it fun is what I was trying to do .
Yeah , but still , there's better ways to make it fun than that , but that's my , that's my thesis in this episode is it doesn't really it's not about you . It's not about what you're doing , it's not about the impact that you're trying to have . That's not why this person or these people are crapping on your dreams .
It's because they don't have dreams to to crap on can you give us some tangible examples of comments that are just ridiculous ? Oh man , it's like there's a lot of people that are actually pretty terrible that you can shit on . Why not focus on that , because I don't . I'll never understand it . Chopping people down makes no sense . What a waste
¶ Standing strong without losing yourself
of your fucking time .
Well , if you're going to try to chop somebody down and you're really looking for significance , you try to chop somebody really positive down because you know it's going to get to them when , if it's somebody negative , they're not going to notice . They're so used to it . I think that's one of the reasons people do it .
I don't know if I have it's just like oh , this is clickbait , or you guys hate each other behind the scenes . I know it because it's a couple or it took seven minutes to get to the value . This video sucks . It would be really good if you just skip to the seven minute mark that type of I would love to see that person's channel .
I would love they don't have somebody . You and I had a someone . I'm sorry to interrupt you we had a person behind the scenes . We did some relationship talks , coaching and the boyfriend the husband , in this case , a boyfriend , I think and he said how in the fuck are barbie and ken supposed to help us with our relationship ?
honestly , man , whatever , you know whatever you're gonna . You're gonna get it . Yeah , you're gonna get it . Somebody commented on our youtube videos .
I was when I was talking about productivity and they were like , yeah , I was on a yacht this weekend , I worked 10 hour day and I took two , two lunches and the reason you can't work in stuff like that is because you're not disciplined . It's like , first of all , any day you want to go toe-to-toe on discipline let's set it up . I fucking love it .
When you get shit on , it's sneaky , one of my favorite things .
Well , I'm not a fan , I know because it's supposed to fire you up a little . It's supposed to ignite the motivation it does but here's the thing when I'm working on my yacht in 50 years , I'm not going to be commented on people's YouTube videos . You know what I mean .
So that's what you should have said .
If that's what , if that's what you want to do , that's what you want to do . But I wouldn't go out of my way to do that and I think that's because I'm super fulfilled and I get I get fulfillment and I get significance and I get purpose from doing this and I've never really been that type of person to comment on people's shit anyway . But I understand .
I'm not making it okay , I'm just saying I do understand why people do it . They want significance and that's one way . One way to get significance is to take happiness from somebody else .
Unfortunately , yeah , not a fan of bullies , of bullies . Chopping someone else down to gain something is , I mean , just a giant waste of your time . You don't actually get any . There is no real utility , it's just emotional . If you really want significance , you can become better . That's .
And again , it all comes down to self-belief and everyone out there watching or listening . Do a little bit of research on self-efficacy . If you're so inclined , do whatever you want , but I recommend self-efficacy is your unconscious and subconscious belief in your own ability to build something .
And even certain people who I genuinely do not like , I never go out of my way to tear them down because it's a waste of my time . Now , do I fight injustice ? Yeah , like I mentioned about the documentary , I'm not .
I'm not in any way in support of a lot of the shit that's going on , that's hurting the environment and the earth , and I have to allocate my resources to build the self , build the family , build the business , so that the world is a better place , not a worse place .
And again , I think a lot of it really does come down to self-belief , because no matter what you do in this life , you're going to get shit on . And the unfortunate part too . I mean , I've gotten some texts , man it's . Are you kidding me ? I've gotten some texts , man it's , are you kidding me ?
We , kevin and I , spoke at something called the Confident Women's Consortium . It was a event that we kind of co-hosted early on . This was eight years ago . There's someone who was fucking furious with us Because we're not women .
¶ When doing good still gets hate
I don't remember . They must have been told to you personally .
Yeah , I never told you this person is not a fan , or at least was not a fan of you , and she said well , some woman really hurt him really bad , or whatever . The truth is , we triggered something in her .
And yes , you're also correct , yeah , also women .
Many , many women hurt you , yeah , have hurt you , and this is the interesting thing too . Okay , so men spoke at an event called Confident Women's Consortium , and I understand that you're upset that there aren't enough women speakers .
I'm with you , but that's not Kevin and I's fault and we added value and that was an event that we co-hosted and we were invited to do that and we teamed up with this . So , at the end of the day , no matter what and let's go underneath it what are we trying to do ? We're trying to do good in the world .
Yeah , but like you said , that's a never-ending , because here , okay cool , every time we've hosted an event , we've always tried to make it . Even men and women on stage every time , we all that's something we've always , but you can't explain that to someone . Well , you're gonna sit them down and say all right , alan , just sit for a second .
Let me pull out the list , okay . First time there was 70 percent weights . It doesn't matter , that's the thing is it's almost . That's why it's really hard to even put energy into it , because it's just a vacuum . You're most likely never going to get through to the person You're .
That's why I don't like to comment back , because I don't want it to go back and forth , but I also don't want my self worth to get stepped on .
It's like look .
I don't want my self-worth to get stepped on . It's like yeah , I don't , I can't imagine you're more disciplined than I am . I'm sorry , I can't imagine you're more disciplined than I am . I just can't I . What'd you end up commenting back something along the look , I love that for you , that you're able to work all over the place .
I've worked all over the place too , but I also think my I'm I stand with my opinion that I would be , and we as humans would be more productive in a dark environment . And if there's ever a way we can line up a discipline challenge , I'm happy to go toe-to-toe with you with a little winky face and I'm going to win .
By the way , a dark room you mean like an office .
An office , a dark room .
Laptop , lifestyle .
No , no , no Like yeah , like an office Somewhere where there's no , where you're like locked in you're not floating around on your fucking inner tube with your laptop . What are we doing here ?
what are we doing here ? I will give you the scientific data
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I was away this weekend and I was productive . I was productive Not even close , not even close . I have this little Zen book , little travel laptop . I bring it with me . Emilia and I have our setups . We went to the lake . I am wildly sunburned , compared to it was a rainy day .
That's what happens when you never leave the house or the office , you know it , and I was probably half as productive , if that , maybe a fourth , because our house is set up for productivity . Back to the utility of this conversation . I have been , unfortunately , shit on my entire life and For whatever reason .
Maybe it's low self-worth , maybe it's high self-belief , maybe it's people know I'll tolerate it . Whatever I don't know . I don't know the exact reason , but for whatever reason , I've always been chopped down , for sure Way more than supported .
In my opinion , that's shifting a bit , and I think it's because now I have the self-respect where people know that I'm going to actually call it out , which is huge . That's been really nice . I'm not . I'm not just going to let someone shit on me anymore without saying well , wait a minute , your shit stinks too . What exactly are you doing with your life ?
You fucking burnout , right . That's the thing . It's so interesting . It's . It's so easy to shit on me and to shit on what I'm doing , but where are your goals and dreams ? Where ? Where's your charity ? Where are you putting yourself out there ? Where are you putting yourself on the line ? What exactly are you doing for the world ?
See , no one messes with you when you become the type of person who isn't going to just let you . Fine , you want to go toe to toe ? We will .
Now , I'm not going to over swing , but if you're going to take shots , you better be ready to receive at least equal back , and I never used to understand this , so I always figured you know what , whatever , one day I'll show you that never worked .
¶ Turning criticism into motivation
It can't because most people are gone . Most people are gone by then .
So here's what I did , and this is what I think everyone should do . I really do believe this . I do . I have a list of people I do . I don't think it's noble and I'm not going to go out of my way to make these people's lives worse . But I'll tell you what . I've got a list .
Baby , you motivate me more than you can imagine with every shitty thing you've ever said to me behind my back or in person and , by the way , I've heard the shit . Awesome , let's go . That motivates me . I've aim higher , work harder , get smarter . When people are unjust and they mistreat you aim work harder , get smarter .
You'll be the one laughing in the end , and that has always worked that's always worked . That's the only thing I have control over . Aim higher work , harder get smarter .
It doesn't work for everyone , that's the thing , but it does it could , it could , I believe that it could , and it doesn't work as well for everyone .
I do understand that . I think we all have a fire in us , and some people that fire gets smaller when they get shit on . Other people it gets bigger . For me , the fire gets bigger when I get shit on and aim higher . Work harder , get smarter is a great response and the only way I've ever been able to make it into a positive .
I would add one to it , though In my 36 years old , the old me didn't do this , but the new me 100% is going to have the self-respect to shield bump it .
¶ The power of holding your ground
Last thing , I'll let Kevin talk . I promise you , at all times you have your castle in this metaphor , and I love the movie Troy 2004 . They have a shield wall and they're defending their country . Listen , they aren't attacking people , they're defending their country . In this film and in history as well , apparently but again , it's history .
So the Greeks are attacking them . They're just defending their country . They're not attacking anyone . This is defense . So they have a shield wall and the Greeks are coming at them with however many troops . And there's three things you can do when you have a shield wall . You can hold your ground , which I think is what you did when you commented back .
You didn't shield , bump them and blast them into oblivion , but you did a little bit , come on . So you held your fucking ground .
But what I used to do is take a step back , take a step back , take a step back , and if you do that for too long , eventually you're backed into a corner and then you have to shield , bump hard , and you got to remember this about bullies they're weak as fuck inside .
So when you shield , bump hard , you're going to come at them with all the truth and then you're going to create trauma . If you don't defend yourself now , they're going to keep backing you into a corner until eventually it's like wait a minute , and then you come at them with everything , and I don't think that that's constructive .
So what I try to do is hold your ground and give them a little bump . Give them a little bump , give them a little something so they know who they're messing with , so that they stop , because otherwise I've learned this they will not stop until you show them that they're not going to get away with it .
It's hard . It's hard , but to your , your point . I think you just have to figure out which direction have you gone in in the past ? Because I think it is . It is keeping your self-worth . That's what this , this whole conversation , is about .
To a degree , if you can , if you just abandon your own self-worth over and over and over like , let's just say , alan's poking fun at me all the time and I just take it and take it and take it , I'm losing self-worth every time . A little bit might not be noticeable , but that's the way I'm trending .
Then eventually , when you try to put a stop to that , it feels extremely uncomfortable because you're going against so much momentum . That's why , like , sometimes a little ego is not bad necessarily . I told the story of how , when I was like I don't know how old , I was 18 , 19 .
Somebody messaged me on Facebook and they just like messaged me out of nowhere , said , hey , man , fuck you . And then a bunch of other not so nice stuff and I was like what the fuck ? What is going on ? Like , dude , next time I see you you're done Like I don't know . I've never seen you , I don't even know who you are .
And just so you know , I train martial arts . So if yeah , okay , cool , let's next time I see you , it's on , I guess . Oh , I didn't realize you trained . Wait , is this the right kevin palmieri ? No , it's not . Oh , okay , cool . But if I didn't say anything , kid just would have kept talking trash , yeah , and again I was like 19 .
So there was a little ego of like , yeah , dude , let's do it , I'd fucking love it , I'd love to do it .
This is the last story , I promise , but this is fun . I'm glad we're doing this . I had a girlfriend in high school that everyone thought was extremely attractive . I would use the word hot . Okay , I think some girls are beautiful . Other girls are hot . I think some are a combination of both Cute , whatever , or a combination of both cute , whatever .
She was put it this way . I was with a friend and I was dating her and when she came out of the school she said he turned to me and said dude , she's fucking hot . And this is high school kids , okay . And I said I know man , oh , my goodness . And there was this guy , this dude messages me . He's fucking . So I'm what ? 17 at the time .
I think I'm 17 , I'm a senior in high school . Picture me in high school . I look young . Now imagine me in high school scrawny , just whatever , smart , have a lot going for me , but weak and lanky . And this guy mess who messages me he's like dude , I'm gonna take your girl do I know who this person is ? no , no , he's .
So she's from a different town and he's one of those badasses . He's like 21 years old . This dude was jacked on the sauce , for sure he messages me . He's like dude , I'm going to beat your ass and take your girl . And he was like dude . He dealt pills . He was like one of those and I remember thinking there's nothing I can do .
Honestly , I hope she likes smart guys , because I'm fucked . If you must , yeah , if you , yeah . It's like , what the hell am I gonna do ? I remember actually thinking there's nothing I could do . I mean , what am I gonna do ?
go get arrested like fight the guy and or you know .
So this is one thing . Last thing I'll share I know I gotta jump when you are playing the long game . I never realized this until my 30s . Dude , you have a lot to lose . I can't go get arrested . I have a bright future . When you have a bright future , you have a lot to lose . These people , that guy had nothing to lose . He gets arrested . Whatever .
My life already sucks . Oh , if I get arrested , I don't get into college . If I don't get into college , all my dreams go for the dream chasers out there . Goals and dreams , future oriented people have leverage on you . I have a lot to lose . I got a big , bright future . You need to hold on to your self-respect .
I remember thinking if you want to take her , take her , because there's nothing I can do . And I remember thinking she's going to want you for sure . You're in way better shape than me . Real quick story luckily she has a brain and wants an intelligent man .
Real , quick story yeah , the quickest story of all time . Uh , one time I'm gonna use first names craig and john . Okay , I got into . I got into the car with one of
¶ Giving back with the Hope Foundation
my friends and he's like , all right , man , let's go . And I was like , dude , where are we going ? And so we're gonna go pick up , we're gonna go pick up john . I was like , oh , I don't know him . But all right , cool , john gets in the car . And craig's like , all right , man , we're gonna go fuck these kids up .
And I was like no , no , no , no , definitely not , I want nothing to do with this . Like , what are we doing here ? yeah it was one of the scariest moments of my life .
I know exactly who you're talking about . Yeah , man for sure .
It was like , uh , the this , the scene in super bad where he's like hold him , hold him , hold him , jimmy , or whatever , and he's like , no , no , I don't want to hold him .
That was me , luckily there was no I have a few more of those too , so I like that we're coming up with some of these , man I got some good ones too .
Yeah , same All right Kids returned with bats .
It was not good . Okay , next are so if they feel so inclined . So father's day was yesterday . Kevin and I traditionally spent father's day together because he didn't meet his father till he was 27 . My father passed away when I was two . Stepfather left at 14 , so it was always a sad day and we turned it into a great day .
Why not podcast and grow the business right ? Eventually , we started the next level hope foundation . Every father's day , we've had an event for four years straight . This is our fourth event . 12 days from now , it's sunday , june 29th 2025 . We have a gofundme . The link will be in the show notes . Every every little bit helps . Thank you so much .
Right now , we are currently almost at goal . Let me check in real time . Here we are at 650 raised . We're raising a thousand dollars total . Kevin and I have both contributed . I want to give a huge shout out and thank you to first name's only Noah . No way Do you know ? No , no .
I'm going to have to ask . I'm going to have to ask we don't know .
Shout out appreciate it , shout out to you . Thank you so much , amy Kev , thank you Me and Nicole , thank you so much , so so generous . Stephanie , your mom and Mima , both Always .
Never miss $100 each .
So thank you so much . Thank you , Every little bit helps . It can be $5 , it can be $500 , whatever Like . Every little bit helps . Do not feel bad if the amounts are small . Do not feel bad if the amounts are small . We really appreciate it . Thank you so much .
Yeah , every little bit counts . We appreciate anything , anything . If you can do anything and you want to do it , we would appreciate it more than you know and you get a little shout out . It doesn't go unnoticed . And it does not go , I promise , unremembered . All right , cool ,
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