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I told Alan before this . I said I'm definitely getting leaner , but my weight is not doing great . I was aiming for a pound a week . I'm at a half a pound a week . That sucks , that's not great . And then I said , yeah , but honestly , I've only .
I was intuitively tracking for the first month and a half and the scale was moving so I was like , alright , cool , this is good . Now I am really really tracking everything .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation . Welcome back to another episode of Next Level University where we help you level up your life , your love , your health and your wealth . Today , for episode number 2006, . It's Freestyle Friday . Freestyle Friday is where we have a thought and we just go with it .
We don't really know where we're going to go with the episode . Every other one we kind of have the title in mind . Before , so a little Freestyle Friday . I've been reading a lot about willpower and today so the book is by something Bowmeister and somebody else .
Roy Roy Roy Baumeister .
Baumeister , how dare I Hold on ?
And you said it recently .
It is , oh , my God , I forget . Smallest ? Oh , john Tierney . John Tierney , great book , great book thus far . And they were talking about how . We've talked about this a bunch , but this was an interesting point for me the weighing yourself every day versus weighing yourself once a week .
They've done studies I don't know how many studies , I can't cite the studies off the top of my head but they've done studies on that and that is the most effective way to do it . Again , disordered eating , that type of stuff . Obviously that can be different , body relationship stuff , that can be different .
So I know there's a subset of people that it just won't work as well with . I understand that completely . But as a blanket statement , that was super interesting to me and the other thing that I kept Can you go into that more ? So there's a lot of different data out there where some people say you should measure yourself once a day , the same time every day .
You wake up , you use the bathroom and then you weigh yourself and you kind of have an ideal baseline . Other people say weigh yourself once a week . I understand the once a week thing because you're only getting one piece of feedback per week , but it's also a lot easier to miss that one time as opposed to missing seven in a row . So it makes sense .
It's like can you imagine what was the point in the book ? Weighing yourself every day is the way to go .
¶ Daily vs. Weekly weigh-ins: What studies say
Yeah , what you measure , you manage .
Yeah , it's just . Yes , it's as much about seeing the number , but it's just about the behavior . I'm willing to bet if you just weighed yourself every day and did nothing else , consciously , you would probably start to end up losing weight at some point .
Back in the day when you played COD , what were you optimizing for ? Were you looking for more kills ?
Optimizing for mayhem ? Yeah , I just wanted . What were you optimizing for ? What were you looking for ? More kills ? Optimizing for mayhem ? yeah , I just want to know what were you going for most kills uh , I yeah , but I wasn't good so it didn't really matter , you were playing for fun . There was a .
There was a level where it was like a big train and we would use the sniper rifles and I optimized for headshots Because when you shot somebody in their helmet it went ping and Matt and I would play all the time and it was just like we just had a blast with that .
But I sucked . What was the stat you were trying to ?
win at Kill-death ratio . Yeah , kd , I was shit , though I wasn't very good .
Well I've said this before , but I think it's a really good metaphor is what you measure determines how you play the game . So when I was playing COD back in the day and I was optimizing for KD kill-to-death ratio , I had to play a certain way , yeah , and I think that that's a really important principle for life . I mean , that's one of the top 10 things .
I would share with anybody . It's like if you're measuring Emilia and I are measuring certain things , Like we're measuring our sleep score and we're doing very well what you measure definitely determines a lot of how you behave as a human being . That's why video games have stats . That's why every sports team has stats .
Yeah , I even to that point . I told you I haven't been sleeping nearly as well . I was like crushing it . I was getting 85 , 86 , 87 , 88 sleep scores out of 100 . Those are really good . I measure it every day and now it has me questioning why aren't I sleeping as well
¶ How measurement drives behavior changes
? We moved our beds a little bit and then I think maybe I moved the fans , so I think I'm hotter than I usually am . I think that's probably why . All right , I'm going to test that out tonight , so you measure it and then you're able to focus on . Okay , why is the measurement not the way I want it to be ?
The other thing is and this , this was sit with me on this because it's going to sound arrogant when they were talking about willpower , I was like I don't know about that a lot of the stuff .
It was like you eat more , if I don't remember , I don't know the percentage , but if you're watching a movie or you're watching television , you eat X amount percentage more food than if you weren't . And it's like , yeah , I understand unconsciously , but once you become conscious of that , and maybe this is a blind spot- for me .
It's a blind spot for you because you track what you eat .
You prepare a meal in advance that is already of the macros and calories that you want , or within a certain range Well , and I also know I only get so much food per day .
But that's why that's such a blind spot , because for most people , like for you and I again , this is very challenging for us because we you've been tracking calories since when did you start ? I mean teenager 16 , yeah , 16 ?
Yeah , so it's just a blind spot .
I mean there are 16 . Yeah , probably like 16 . Yeah , so it's just a blind spot . I mean there are some people , a lot of people , that have actually never tracked galleries the majority of people . The majority of people yeah , what would ?
okay , you , I did fitness coaching back in the day . You did a lot of fitness coaching . Let's say somebody is out there right now and they don't have a negative or toxic relationship with food , because , again , I know it's not for everybody .
It's not for everybody for me to say it is on a podcast and then for you to figure it out yourself without some help . What is the process of beginning that for someone ?
¶ Where to start if you’ve never tracked before
Yeah , it would be measuring something that has to do with food . Where would you start ? You could measure meals per day . You could measure the size of the meals . You could measure protein . Just start there . I have one client who just does protein . I'm not a fitness coach anymore , but I have .
I mean , I'd say , at least five or six of my clients that I do fitness stuff with , just because they know that I'm in shape Again , depending on who I'm standing next to . And the angle , the angle of the photo , the angle of the photograph and which camera and the lighting and whether or not I edit it .
I'm kidding , although I do the auto edit thing on the iPhone . But I have one client who's just measuring 54 grams of protein , so her goal every day is just to make sure she hits that . And she struggles to hit that .
It's a good place to start though ?
Yeah , exactly , well , it all depends , right ? She doesn't get enough protein . She's vegetarian or vegan , I forget which , but she doesn't get enough protein and she knows that . So , boom , whereas I have another client who tracks every calorie . He's doing 3,400 a day .
Shout out to you , friend yeah .
And he's , he's in the you know who you are . He's . He's challenged by feeling fluffy , and that's how I feel right now Like , feel very fluffy , it's a kind way to put it .
It reaches a point where you , you have the , the fat rolls on your pec when you take the photo for the fitness accountability group and you're like , okay , I should probably dial it , cut now . I should probably cut now .
But again , for anyone out there to kevin's point too who doesn't do bodybuilding or fitness or whatever , I feel extremely in control of my physique at all times and I remember what it was like back in the day when I did yeah , and so what would I say ? I'd say start with some measurement around food , because you have to become .
There are certain people in my life I'll keep it anonymous that they have the worst relationship with food ever .
Emily and I were talking about this on our walk yesterday and they are afraid of food , but yet they love it and they , whenever I'm with these people , they I'm like do you want me to keep the leftovers for you , or do you want me to take them leftovers for you , or do you want me to take them home ?
They're like take them , take them , take it , take the leftover . Like take the leftovers , please take the leftovers , please take the sweets . I'm like , okay , hell , yeah , perfect . I think that it all comes down to they don't really measure calories , they don't really measure protein , they don't .
They don't measure much of anything , and I think that you can't really control an outcome without measurement . I would go as far as to say that yeah , it's
¶ Why some people fear measurement
hard .
I understand it's a challenge and it seems extremely inconvenient and it is at times , honestly , but it's just like anything else . I think it's super beneficial .
There has been so many studies that talk about how effective it is to measure what you eat and track calories and track macros , and then oftentimes , what people will say is well , I did that and it didn't work for me , so you practice the behavior . Were you practicing the behavior correctly ? Because I'm an idiot and I was measuring rice wrong .
I've been tracking calories for decades and I still . And here's the thing I tracked it one time . I saved it in my app and I just kept using that measurement . I was wrong . Was it the calorie tracking that was wrong ? No , it was the calorie tracker . It was me . It was the measurements that were off .
But I don't know if I'm good to talk about this , because I am very similar . I don't know if I've ever really felt out of control when it comes to fitness . I mean , yeah , I had a mild eating disorder after my bodybuilding show . I definitely felt helpless , I couldn't stop eating , but again , that was like a physiological hormone thing that was going on .
Unfortunately , that was brutal .
The question I would ask you is , when you did do personal training , like what would be the first steps that you would give people ? Because for me it would be pick a gym that's close , make sure it's got good hours and they're not like closed at 7 pm .
Uh , make sure that it's a gym that is something that are people that don't freak you out or intimidate you , but it needs to be not a big fish , small pond , but not a small pond , huge ocean type of thing . You try to find the right gym for you and , again , proximity is more important than anything .
And then it would be nutrition would be you'd have to measure your weight for your measure weight and then measure something to do with your meals .
It was hard for me because I worked at like a boutique place where the issues that you might have so our clientele was very wealthy and they had a lot of money and I worked in a very nice place , like a very nice town , so a lot of it was like hey , I know you're going out to a fancy dinner with all of your clients or whatever .
You got to stay away from this , this , this and this you , you just how you can't have four glasses of wine I know that's that's not necessarily a high income thing , but it was . It was the basics first , and the other thing was I remember somebody came in who had never really exercised before and I was like , all right , I got to make sure .
So this is our first exercise session we have together . I'm just going to do like body weight squats , pushups easy , easy , easy stuff . They were so sore the next time I got my ass chewed out by the owners . Really yeah yeah , yeah . They're like you're lucky she came back . You went too hard and I was like , fair , maybe I did .
But I went body weight , squats , body weight , everything , everything was body weight . I thought we were getting to a good place . Obviously I overdid it . I've been there , man right levels man same same thought is honestly , I don't really care if you get any results from the exercise in the beginning . I just do the process .
Yeah , it's not about the results in the beginning , it's about it's about doing the process , and they were talking about another . So there's websites and there's apps where you can essentially create your own commitment device . So there's apps where you can bet on yourself that you can lose X amount of weight in X amount of time .
Nice , that's awesome , right , well , 80% of people , they take a cut . They take it all if you don't do it , but they give it all back if you do , Plus some depending on .
But how do they determine whether or not you did it ?
I don't know , they just mentioned it in the book I don't know , but I was like that'd be easy money . Yeah , how much . Okay , I give you $1,000 and you give me $2,000 back if I do it , that back if I do it . That's like an ideal situation for me because it guarantees I do it . Like what ? Yeah , well , you're not very money-driven .
Well , I also think there's luck in saying it's not , you give $1,000 , you get $2,000 back , is it ?
There are sports books , yeah , yeah , there are sports books where you can bet on yourself to lose the weight . What ?
Yeah , but I have to imagine they won't let you do it over and over again , though Probably right .
Probably , and there's probably a vetting system Like how long have you been exercising ? How much weight do you want to lose ? What do they ?
interview you .
Honestly , you come in .
Oh , I've never exercised before in my life , never once tracked a gal . I have no idea , right ?
Think of how sports team's really good and this team is really bad . This team's likely to win . We're going to give the odds . You know that's how it , but the other one and this is a really good . I know we've beaten this into the ground , but it's a fundamental . That just , I think , is just true .
There are some apps that will not let you set too big of a goal . They won't . They won't let you . Okay , you want to lose a pound a week ? Cool , that's sustainable for many people . You want to lose three pounds a week ?
We're not even going to let you set that as a goal , because , number one , for most people , it's not sustainable , it's probably not healthy and you're not going to have a good outcome . You're not going to have a good experience with that . This probably isn't where you had intended to go , but it's freestyle friday freestyle friday baby .
I , as a math guy , engineer disclaimer first I don't know what it's like to not measure something . So if I want to get an outcome in any arena , I measure . I measure it emily and I . We measure the amount of days in a row we have for gratitudes . We have a fitness streak that we're measuring every day .
I literally the first thing I do when I wake up walk out of the bedroom , go to the whiteboard and update the streaks . I don't know . I track metrics , I track habits . I have Google Sheets boom , boom , boom business . I track metrics , I track habits . I have Google Sheets boom , boom , boom business .
If I can get you to measure the right things , I can get you to focus and optimize on the right things , then you're going to get eventual results , because if you don't , we're going to notice and then pivot .
Well , the question is why ? Why , okay , we all want a result , and a I just mean like the letter . A awesome that's going to require us to do b behavior . Didn't mean it to line up that way , but it's lined up that way , are you okay ? You're clear on the A result Awesome Love that Great start .
You're relatively clear on the B behavior Awesome , love that too . What is the C metric Like ? What is the actual thing that you're measuring
¶ The three key metrics for health, wealth, and relationships
?
For you and Taryn , it's thoughtful , proactive thoughtfulness , yes , right Number of times that you're proactively thoughtful Can you give us ?
an example . She is actually . I got to send this text at some point . She is going to New York , so we're recording this on Thursday . She's going to New York on Friday to visit family and friends and I'm going to text her today and say , hey , I know you're going to get home late and hopefully it's nothing too big .
Is there anything I can do to help you optimize for your packing , Because I know you still haven't packed and you're leaving tomorrow morning ? Nice that , just I'm thinking of you and I know there's a lot going on and I want to make sure I can help in any way I can . And you measure that every day ?
Yeah , I give myself a one or a zero A lot of ones lately Nice , which has been good .
Well and again , NLU is very unique in this because we measure everything . That's one thing , that's . I was on a podcast yesterday . Her name was tricia and she said so you guys are all about consistency and discipline . And I said I suppose yeah yeah , fair , I'm grateful that that's what shined through . I'd say we're hopefully more than that .
But yeah , and I guess from the outside in , I guess , guess , that's good . That means that she's seeing what we stand for Consistency , self-discipline , self-improvement , holistic and I think measuring things is bigger for us than I think we realize . I don't hear a lot of other podcasts or podcasters talking about what they measure .
Maybe that's a me thing , maybe that was just like a I think in fitness it's common , but I don't know , in relationships I don't think it's common at all . Yeah , yeah , yeah , fair that . I feel like that . I think in fitness and in money and success it's fairly common .
From someone in the past , past relationships you always did in fitness . Sorry to interrupt you that from someone in the past who wasn't measuring much like you didn't usually . You didn't measure things daily back then .
I mean you did for calories , but that was it essentially yeah now you measure lots of , lots of things , lots of things I mean 10 plus metrics and habits every day . I can't even it's hard for me to even imagine how out of control we would feel if we just stopped measuring everything .
Imagine if you and I I don't know if I would feel out of control because I wouldn't have the awareness to know the benefits of it . Ignorance again ignorance is bliss . It's a dumb saying , I know , but it does feel like bliss until it cracks you over the head when you feel lost .
you'd feel lost . You'd feel out of control . Like measurement creates certainty .
But it also creates pressure . Remember we talked about certainty and clarity create a lot of pressure .
Yeah .
What was it like ?
what would you say to you who didn't measure stuff ? Like , sell old Kevin on why they need to measure things . Because , again , I . The last thing I want to do is come off as arrogant or pretentious or tell you what you should do . Viewer , listener , uh , the disclaimer I always give is we're here . We're not here to have fun .
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You're never going to meet a business owner who is very successful who doesn't measure . That's not a thing . It's actually not a thing .
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And I , just as someone who came from a world where there wasn't a ton of measurement even back when you were a foreman , you were measuring the amount of time , the job , like all that stuff I just wonder why we do it in our careers and not in our personal life , Because , I mean , it's a cheat code . Measuring is an important part of improvement .
I mean it's the . It's a cheat code Like measure . Measuring is a is a important part of improvement . I mean , even at report cards , progress reports , as kids like you , you can't just , oh , everyone gets an A , Okay , Well . Well , there goes all the meaning right , who learned and who didn't , who knows more , who doesn't Right ? So measuring is critical .
So how would you sell old Kev on that ?
Man . Is this pre-fitness or during fitness ? Because if it was during fitness , I think it would be , easier 26 .
Kev . Pre-hyperconscious Podcast . Like a day before the Hyperconscious Podcast .
You have been measuring . Okay cool , you just got in the best shape you've ever been in . Yeah , you were in better shape than almost anybody you've ever known personally . And why did that happen ? Because you were extremely intentional about everything and every single thing you did was measured . What was measured ? Calories , carbs , proteins , fats , fiber .
Calories burned to a degree , but not my coach was measuring that . Sleep was measured . I posed almost every day .
Like I was measuring , all that . Here becomes the question too Is it possible to get in that shape without measuring ?
That shape .
Without a lot of drugs .
I mean , even with drugs you got to measure . Just not , probably not , probably not as much , right ? I don't know . Yeah , there's , maybe there's a genetic anomaly out there that could do it .
I don't know , probably not for you , is it possible for you ? Okay , well , and again , I actually had that moment of like I want to believe it's possible too . Maybe that's an arrogant thing too well , I told Alan before this .
I said I'm definitely getting leaner , like Like I can tell , and people are telling me at the gym . So it's like okay , that's good , but my weight is not doing great . I was aiming for a pound a week . I'm at a half a pound a week . That sucks , that's not great . And then I said , yeah , but honestly , I've only .
I was intuitively tracking for the first month and a half and the scale was moving so I was like , all right , cool , this is good . Now I am really really tracking everything yeah I mean I I had a protein shake before this and I had 16 ounces no , sorry , yeah , 16 ounces of almond milk , that's all .
And the reason I had 16 is because it's easier to measure than 17 .
Yeah agreed .
¶ The danger of miscalculating food intake
Now I'm measuring all that . So I think , okay , what is the common thing that happens ? I measure it and then it starts to work and then , for some reason , I start to lose momentum and then I don't get the result anymore . I should probably just stop measuring . No , the measuring is what built momentum in the first place .
Maybe we're not measuring correctly , maybe the behavior's not right , maybe we have a fundamental misunderstanding . Here's a really good thought . Imagine if somebody came to you and said I make $100,000 a year . Cool , can I afford this $75,000 car ? Well , no , you don't actually make $100,000 a year . No , no , I do . That's my salary .
No , I understand , but that's not what you take home every year . Well , no , no , but that's the number on my paycheck . Yes , yes , before taxes and before health insurance and before you contribute to all your things , you're not making $100,000 . You're probably making $75,000 . That one little misunderstanding could set you up for a ton of pain .
Same thing if you think peanut butter is yeah , I can have , and peanut it's just . There's nothing to it . Really , I can have as much as I want . No , that's all fat , which means it's all calories .
If you think a lot of people don't know that one gram of fat is actually nine calories as opposed to protein and carbs , which is what four , four , yeah , right .
So that's why things that are high in fat are high in calories because they're they have more calories per gram . It's a whole fucking thing . But regardless that little understanding , or well , I know , fish is really healthy . I could eat salmon . Salmon's really good for you , but it has a lot .
It has a fair amount of calories , because fish a lot of fat , yeah , like salmon , are fatty . It's healthy fat , it's good fat , but it still adds up calorically . So it's just I don't know . Again , as somebody who right now is I'm very aware of how to diet and fitness and all that , I feel really good .
I hit a stuck point with my weight and my thing was not well . I should probably stop tracking it was . Am I ? Am I messing up somewhere ? Am I not drinking enough water ? Am I drinking less water than I usually do ? So my body's not working the way it should . It wasn't abandoned behavior . It was get clearer on measurements and get clearer on behavior .
Unfortunately , I know it kind of sucks potentially , but when I get down to 170 and then when I hopefully my goal is 165 , maybe it's going to be because of the system , not anything else . That it's . I think it's so easy to just like see somebody who has the result and forget all of the stuff that went into it behind the scenes .
Yeah .
Forget all of the stuff that went into it behind the scenes . Yeah Right , like if we think of some of the most successful , we're podcasters , so we talk about this often , but some of the most successful podcasters and YouTubers , they're measuring everything , everything , everything is getting measured .
I have a YouTuber client who measures oh every day . If I butcher this brother , he listens . I want to say at least 12 things a day for YouTube .
It wouldn't surprise me .
Yeah , correct me if I'm wrong , brother , reach out , let me know if it's more than 12 or what the actual number is . But I mean he has a whole spreadsheet . He has three spreadsheets , three sheets within a spreadsheet , three sheets within a spreadsheet All for just YouTube .
I believe it . I mean , there's a lot to measure . Yeah , there's a lot of stuff .
And he's improving every video , he's thumbnail . So there's a book called Measure what Matters OKRs , objectives and Key Results , all this stuff and he really recommended it years ago . I said , okay , duh . Results , all this stuff and he really recommended it years ago . I said , okay , duh . But I also understand that I come from an engineering world .
I come from a math and science world , yeah , and in in the engineering world , I mean we're at parties , at a fraternity and we're talking about what we're measuring . I mean we were mining for bitcoin in our dorm room in 2007 . So so we would build computers and we would measure .
I mean I just I think this is a blind spot for me because I've never not measured , even as a kid . I mean 20th in the world bungeenet , like I was always measuring everything . I don't know how you can't win a game without measuring . At least that's my , that's my .
I think you can . You're just not as in control as you could be .
You know , what I was thinking about too is when I used to be in the sort of pro gaming world . I was semi-pro but there was coaches . Imagine being at a video game tournament . You'd see four people on a team playing 4v4 and they'd have a coach watching the game and coaching the team in real time . And I remember back then I didn't have a coach .
I remember back then thinking is that fully necessary ? Like you , guys are probably good enough to just win without someone looking over
¶ How successful people use tracking to stay ahead
your shoulder . Right Now , I disagree strongly with that old mentality . That coach is watching the whole game and is seeing things , that each player isn't . That the 2v2 , 4v4 sort of match up blind spots . Okay , double team . That's why I think a lot of people succeed in hear me out for this .
And again , depending on where you live in the world , there's some sort of infrastructure , though . So I'll speak for kevin and I , because we both grew up in mass massachusetts , so it was kindergarten , middle school , high school , college , corporate , all along that trajectory . There's other people measuring for you . You get report cards , you get progress reports .
You get , you know , needs satisfactory , meets satisfactory or needs improvement or exceeds , whatever . I don't know , I don't remember .
I believe it's satisfactory , meets expectations .
There you go , thank you and then in report card 95 GPA grade point average . I think that once you become a dream chaser , maybe it's a blind spot to realize that you have to measure everything on your own . No one's going to measure your relationship for you .
No .
No one's going to give you a progress report . Hey you , alan , you and emilia are doing really well lately , strong fucking work . No one cares . No one's gonna say hey uh , taryn and kev , you guys had 30 gratitudes last month .
Excellent job , uh if you download expectations , if you download an app , it will . Yeah , yeah , you can , but I think that the responsibilities on us .
One of the hardest parts about leaving corporate for me was I realized how fucking unproductive I was . I bought a productivity journal and it promised me I'd be 200 more productive and I it worked . It worked and it was just built on prado and 20 of effort produces 80 of results and all that stuff . But it just what are your top three tasks ? Why do you ?
But when I was on my own this is pre kevin it was up to me . I didn't have any boss , I didn't have any teachers , I didn't have any professors . I wasn't going to lose thousands of dollars on a college course if I failed it . I wasn't going to lose my academic scholarships . So it was like , okay , hanging out sounds good to me .
I guess I can watch a movie at 11 am .
Terrible fucking idea I miss those days , though , I do dude I know .
But , dude , they're real great until they leak into months and years and then you realize that none of your dreams came true . Dude you , if you're out there watching or listening , you are a dream chaser . The disclaimer of watching this show is it's not going to maybe be a lot of fun to tell you the hard truth that you need to hear . You have to measure .
You have to If you want to succeed . If you want to succeed at your goals , you have to measure . Imagine doing a 5K and not measuring it .
I think you can get to a certain degree without measurement . I got to be . I think you can get to a certain degree without measurement .
I gotta be on the other side In the beginner , novice , amateur , sure , but if you want to do anything professionally , you better fucking measure and you better measure quick If you want to take a really big leap .
Yeah , I mean , if you've been doing something for five years and it's like , alright , I feel like I've kind of maxed out these results and you're not measuring , I'm willing to bet measuring will be maybe the best thing ever of all time for you .
When we played horse in the Next Level Hope Foundation with the kids we measure who's winning . Okay , I got an H , you got an H-O-R . I think I won one game of horse .
That was a tough one , man Basketball it's .
You won in knockout . You didn't win in horse . I was trying to drain . Shout out to .
Will .
Steph's son , Will , was Crushing it . He was close to beating me . I was shaking in my boots . No , but again , to wrap this up , I have measured things my entire life and I've always wondered why other people don't . And even that short time when I became an entrepreneur , I was still probably measuring a lot of things in my head that I didn't realize I was .
And when I say I was unproductive , I was still probably statistically fairly productive . And again , that's not my point of any of this . My point of all this is dream chasers out there health , wealth and love . I promise you this . This is my next level lesson , If you find one . I call them a MIM most important measurement . I do this with all my clients .
What is the most important metric Measurement ? Metric same thing , clients . What is the most important metric Measurement ? Metric same thing . So what's the under health , what's the under wealth and what's the under love ? So the most important metric for wealth for me is gross revenue , next level university .
The most important metric for health for me is my sleep score 80 last night . I've been crushing it . I've been in the high 80s most of the week . And then my most important metric with emilia is our exercise streak , because we exercise together , yeah , which I guess is kind of a health one too . But I was gonna say but but what ? But what are yours ?
And if you have one under each , start there .
Start there . Yeah , you kind of stole mine again . That's the benefit of going first Start measuring something . If there's something in your life where you feel frustrated and you're not measuring , start by measuring the simplest thing possible . It doesn't mean you have to do anything else yet . I think that's just a really good .
I think it's really impactful and it can be very , very powerful and very , very telling when somebody says wait , there's 275 calories in that . Yeah , yep , yeah , yeah , way more than you thought , right , yeah , I thought it was cool . Great New awareness . Now you'll never look at peanut butter again the same way .
You'll always .
look at it a little bit . I love peanut butter . I can't have it , not right now . It's just too many calories and I can't give up a tenth of my calories for two tablespoons of peanut butter .
for two tablespoons of peanut butter . Emilia bought this new gnocchi .
Say that again Gnocchi .
You know how to pronounce that , gnocchi .
Gnocchi , gnocchi , gnocchi . You got it . It just sounds weird . Gnocchi , gnocchi , yeah .
Dude , I looked at the stats on it 28 grams of fat .
Yeah , man , it's the butter sauce .
It's , yeah , man , butter sauce . It's the butter sauce , oh , it's the best . So here's what we do we open the bag and we take out two-thirds of the butter sauce . Still awesome , still awesome . We have jars of butter sauce . Oh , we can use for other stuff by the way ?
well , do we talk about this on air ?
I did have domino's stuffed crust pizza last week uh , yeah , yeah , yeah , did we talk about it on air ? I did have Domino's stuffed crust pizza last week .
Yeah , did we talk about it on air .
I don't know if we did 8 out of 10 .
I'm getting it again this week , for sure , for my cheat meal .
We got it delivered and we got home from the gym late . It was cold , not good cold Air fried it the next day Better .
Let me tell you we have a Domino's five minutes away .
Nice .
When I got there they were taking it out of the oven , so when I got home it was still too hot for me to eat . Yeah , that's what's up it was .
The cheese was nasty when it was cold .
Yeah , that's a cold when we re-air fried it .
Air fryers are the cheat code . That doesn't matter if it's left over or not .
You air fry it , it's good as new no , no , no , no , it's good with pizza is new , it's close .
You got to try it again if it's not I'm gonna hammer it one more time . I I do agree with you , though it was way better the second night , so that means fresh . It would probably be even better .
I try to time it well , to where it gets there at the same time as we get home from the gym , especially after leg day , because I'm trying to grow my legs .
Eight out of ten . I'll be having it this weekend , Sad I mean . Unfortunately , that's all I can eat . What is the ?
deal with you . Can't get chicken on it , did you notice ?
that you think I'm . First of all , I'm personally offended that you think I'm getting chicken on my Pepperoni on your pizza Of think I'm getting chicken pepperoni on your pizza of course always .
I'm not kidding , you can't get chicken on it , have a protein shake . No hey hey no , have a fucking I got bacon on it instead . Had to get bacon on it instead . Dude , couldn't get chicken on it , not an option , thought it was the website . Boom went on , the phone didn't work , can't get chicken on it .
I don't know if it's a ui issue or they just somehow are like no , you can't have stuffed crust and chicken .
I don't know .
Makes no sense .
Here we are talking about health and fitness . We're talking about this .
We eat 80% of the time clean .
Yeah , I've been having a . I know you gotta go . I've been having a bag of Brussels sprouts . I know frozen's not the way and it's not as good . I know it's just been about convenience .
Butter sauce .
Nothing , no , no , dry , as can be Nice . Throw some salt on there , get a little bit of hot sauce . Big fan of Brussels sprouts . Yeah , yeah , brussels sprouts are where it's at Beets .
Big fan of beets , lately . Pickled beets Pickled beets are the way .
The red ones .
Pink ones .
Yeah , we used to have those , my grandma used to buy jars of .
Emilia loves them , they're good .
How are the cows in them ?
Oh , not bad at all . Cool yeah , probably beats 15 per Not even Per Per one beat . Yeah .
Are they sliced ?
They're whole beats . No , they're whole beats .
Whole beats . They're small , though .
They're like that Okay cool
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All right , we're going to get out of here , april 5th 2025 , next Level Live , 10 am to 4 pm , totally virtual . You don't even have to leave your house , there's breakout sessions , it's a full-day event , so it's a full-day NLU episode essentially . Obviously it's different , but we're only having 50 people .
Tickets are actually and again , we're not just saying this they are actually selling faster than we expected , which is good because , for the first eight years they didn't .
So if you want to attend , make sure you get your ticket , Don't wait to the last minute because they won't be there , because we're focused on making sure they're not going to be there , because we want to make sure we don't lose sleep before the event . So link will be in the show notes in one sec , please .
47 a bargain at twice the price full personal growth day again , 10 am to 4 pm . Take a step off the treadmill , think and contemplate about your health , your wealth , your love . It's different than a podcast , it's different than a meetup . It's it's gonna be . Uh , I I was telling this to someone who I coach because he does group facilitations .
I said it's kind of like a speech , a training , a podcast and a group facilitation all wrapped into one day and you don't have to attend the entire thing if you have to dip for a little bit , whatever bit whatever it's , come and be there when you can , like-minded dream chasers who are into personal growth and you get access to the replay .
If you and you get access to the replay , yeah , we're gonna have a percent of the whole thing , but if you want to meet like-minded dream chasers , if you're lonely on this journey , this is the place to do it . For 47 , I mean . I would be willing to bet you're never gonna find a live event like this for that price point , and that's on purpose .
So please don't wait to get your tickets . Seriously , we are only doing 50 . Five groups of 10 people , and take a step out of your life for a second to work on it , instead of just being on the treadmill every day .
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