¶ Intro / Opening
Alan and I had a very heated discussion and Alan said dude , I can't go backwards . If I go backwards , it makes me feel really , really bad and I honestly don't know how to do it .
And I said maybe that works for you , but I think for the vast majority of people , if it's not sustainable , you literally can't be successful , because if it's not sustainable , you end up leaving the game .
I said to Kev this is next level university , not previous level university . No , but we did . We had a rumble and I realized that sometimes you have to take one step back temporarily to move three steps forward .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level University , next Level Nation today for episode number 2082 . If it's not sustainable , you literally can't succeed . We had somebody message us in the group coaching chat , whatsapp chat , and they mentioned how they , for the first time , were like burnt out of podcasting .
I said I just I haven't really been in it , I haven't really been feeling it , and I realized that I'm burnt out and I'm going from two episodes a week to one episode a week . And so there's two thoughts Okay , and again , we're going to keep it , keep it a hundred percent . Here we're going to be as real as possible . One thought is
¶ Burnout, boundaries, and balance
you're going to lose a ton of momentum and that's a huge mistake . That's Alan's thought . My thought is , if the alternative to you going from two episodes a week to one episode a week is quitting , you're doing exactly what you need to do , because you cannot win if you're not in the game anymore .
Now here's the important piece to add Okay , if you had a bad day , it doesn't mean you should change everything that you're doing . So I'm not saying quit when it gets hard , I'm not saying that . But if the alternative to what you're doing is not doing it at all , we have to find some sort of middle ground . That is my thesis for today's episode .
Recently , emily and I I we had a streak going of mobility before bed . We had probably a month and a half or something and I we were on a walk . I said I can't , I fucking hate it , I can't do it , I don't want to do it anymore , I can't do it and I derailed us .
And now we're three days without any mobility , three days sober yeah , three days mobility list and it's my fault and I'm ashamed . No , the I said I'm trying to hold too many lines . I'm trying to do too . I have too many streaks going . I gotta , I gotta centralize .
I know we talked about that a few days ago and , as much as it pisses me off , I do understand that sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward . And Kev called me out earlier . He said well , with your exercise streak , the minimum was 30 minutes when you first started March of 2022 , emilia and I .
I came to her and I said I want to beat my old best . She said what do you mean ? I said I , the longest I've ever exercised in a row is three and a half months Back in college . I'll never forget it and I want to beat that . I want to go for four months . She said I'll do it with you . I said , fuck , yeah , let's do it .
¶ The power of long-term habits
We passed the four months mark . I said we did it . She said awesome , let's keep on going . Passed the year , never forget it . Drive into the garage after a workout . I said we did it . She said we did what I said . We just passed a year . It's a year of exercise without missing a single day , whoa .
And I said now what she said let's do this for the rest of our life . And I playfully joke and say I had a mini panic attack and honestly , I did have a moment and I said this to her . I said , emilia , I'm not . If you say we're going to do that , do you understand what that means ? She's like Alan , yes , let's do it , I've always wanted to do it .
I was like fuck , because that's forever , you know .
Forever is a long time .
Forever is a long time . It's a long time . So that was 1,184 days ago and we went from 30 minutes of exercise to 40 , to 35 , then to 40 . And then we had to jump back to 30 , back to the minimum of 30 . So I've exercised a minimum of 30 minutes every day for 1,184 days . Now we're at 45 . We've been doing 45 minutes all of 2025 .
And that actually seems I don't want to say , easy , but it seems totally doable . What I will share with everyone and I shared this at Next Level Live I said it as some people struggle to exercise even two or three days , so I don't want this to come off wrong . It hasn't actually been that hard .
However , what I do want to make clear is it has been really hard to do that and everything else . So exercising every day I actually don't think is that hard .
Exercising every day and sustaining a household and three businesses between the two of us and having pets , and being CEO , and tracking metrics , and getting to bed on time , and , and , and , and , and , and , and , and , and , and .
So this is next level level university , and sometimes you have to go to the previous level , like I did , because you called me out . You basically said you went back to 30 minutes . Motherfucker , I did I said that was no , I did . Those are the exact words I said and I was like , yeah , that's true .
We didn't have to go back to 30 minutes for a few months to get momentum back it sucks , it's .
It's the same conversation of it . There's a big difference between it being optimal and it being realistic . Optimal is usually not well , it's not always realistic . Optimally , you'd choose 45 and that would be perfect and it would be a challenge , but you'd crush it and then , boom , you'd never have to go back .
I don't , I just don't think that's realistic for most people . And if the reason you started it Is no longer being served . So in this case we're talking about podcasting . But this could be anything . This could literally be anything .
Oh yeah , my , my partner and I we go out to , we go out on a date night every single Wednesday , awesome , until you're trying to save money and you don't want to go spend $75 on dinner and you , you have to find out something else to do , and maybe it's stay home or whatever . You're going backwards , backwards , it seems .
¶ Knowing when to hold the line
But how do ? you know , when to hold the line , though , and that's that's the question . That's the conversation that I think all of us have to have with ourselves , because , at the end of the day , no one gives a shit about my streak . I do , and no one's gonna know if you got to bet on time , or or you did your mobility or you exercised every like .
I will know , and what's the point of this ? Anyway , I always say this what's the one thing that you can solve today that will solve a thousand future problems ? Exercise is one of them . You , you , everyone out there could make the decision to exercise every day , even if it's just walking , and that would solve a thousand future health problems .
There's so many studies on this . Daily exercise is just important . Consistent exercise is important Check the box Done , but there's only so many of those you can do , right . Well , what about your journaling streak ? What about your gratitude streak ? What about consistent podcasting ? What about making sure you're on your meetings , coaching , whatever it is ?
So , at the end of the day , I think we all have to find sort of this sweet spot between what streaks really matter to us , which ones are essential to us , because all of us and this is the thing about life that's so frustrating . I was on with a client earlier . I said health , wealth and love . You want to be healthy , wealthy and in love .
Who the fuck doesn't want to be healthy , wealthy and in love ? That is the dream being healthy , wealthy and in love . And the only thing better than that is being healthier , wealthier and more in love . That is what I think the whole world wants .
But , my goodness , those are three full-time jobs and you only get 168 hours a week and if you sleep well , you do at least 56 of them gone seven times eight , so it's very . And then 40 at work if you have a full-time job minimum , so they go quick and if you want a high quality of life .
So if you want to enjoy your life , don't try to be top 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% in health , wealth and love . But you could be top 1% in health , wealth and love If you play the long game and if you listen to Next Level University and if you work on yourself .
But every now and then you're going to have to take a step back in certain things in order to double down on others .
As much as it sucks . But I think it's conversation of what's your relationship with it . I don't know , I don't think I have that much of a negative relationship with like going backwards to go forward , because I also realize where I'm going backwards from is further than I've ever been .
So I don't feel like I have a pretty good relationship with it All things considered .
You remember you read a book . It talked about holding yeah , Holding in your consciousness the conflict . This is the conversation I want to have with you . I want to ask you this You've met people who let themselves off the hook too easy . It's okay , so I haven't drank in six years .
What if I just suddenly was like you know what , Fuck it , I'm just going to go off the rails this weekend . That's not the type of man I am . It's not the type of man I want to be either . I will be honest as scary as this is to share , I think most people let themselves off the hook too easy . That's it .
And there's so many people who haven't achieved their goals and dreams , and one of I said this to a person recently .
¶ Why we never quit the podcast
I was coaching one-on-one . I said 90% of Kevin and I's success comes down to the fact that we just never stopped . We just never , ever , ever stopped the podcast , no matter how bad it was , no matter how late it was , no matter how much my fucking throat hurt , we just never stopped . It's two things . It's one we never stopped , aka sustainability .
And number two we improved almost every time . We tried to improve every time . That I can say authentically . We've tried to improve every single time . I thought last night's episode was fucking garbage between you and me . I went to bed upset with myself . It's like Alan , you've got to get it together , man Now . Is it not valuable at all ?
No , but it's not a 10 out of 10 . And so , at the end of the day , frustration comes as a byproduct of standards not being hit , and standards are a byproduct of the size of your goals , and so what I want to ask you is how do you know when to hold the line and what to hold the line on , and then when to let it run ?
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Usually it's the thing If I don't want to do it , I should probably do it , and if I want to do it but I know it's not sustainable , I have to show restraint and think smarter . It's it's usually the opposite I . The reason this person got burnt out is because they didn't want to slow down .
That , to me , is a suggestion that they probably need to slow down . There's days where I don that they probably need to slow down . There's days where I don't want to go to the gym . Those are the days I need to really really push , and there's other days where I want to go and lift super heavy . I should probably just do cardio .
Today was one of those days . I am fucking exhausted . I'm going through it . I'm overwhelmed . I'm stressed out . I was sitting on the floor playing with fudge at 640 this morning Like I do not want to fucking . For the new listeners , that's his cat . Yes , I was rolling a candy bar across the floor hoping it would inspire me . Yeah , Fudge is my cat .
I used to have a cup holder in here .
I'm on the floor playing with f here . I might as well have been .
That's what it felt like , but I didn't . I wanted to go and then I was like , well , I , honestly , it's probably not going to be good for me to go . And then I was like , honestly , I don't want to fucking go . All right , let me find a middle ground and go and just do cardio .
There's other days where I don't want to go at all and it's just like get in the car and start driving and by the time you get there you'll be fine . Like that's the hardest part . The hardest part just fucking leaving , just leave . I think that's the conversation . Sometimes the thing you want to do is not sustainable .
If we we talk about new year's resolutions all the time , that's the reason most people don't accomplish them . It's not a fucking sustainable goal . You're not gonna go from not exercising to exercising six times a week . Like that's not gonna work for most people . It just isn't . It isn't sustainable .
Yeah , you get hot out of the gate and then you're two weeks in and it's like this kind of fucking sucks the first two weeks are dope first .
First week is always dope .
But that's of everything . And then eventually it's oh , what have I gotten myself into ? Yeah , yeah , that's of everything , everything . The first two weeks of a relationship , the first two weeks of a job , the first two weeks when you get something new , and then eventually you either forget about it completely or you really . Then you start to see the downsides .
That's when the that's when you prove , that's when you earn it . That's where earning it is . Again , I'm going to start another mobility streak and I actually already have an idea .
Emilia and I were on a walk this morning and I was talking to her about how I messed up our streak my bad , I'm working on it and she said , well , why don't we stack it on something we love ? I said there's a couple of things I can't fucking stand . All right . One of them is mobility . For some reason , I hate it . Tracking calories I hate it .
I fucking hate it . There's a few things I just hate , and another one is I struggle with social media . I do . I have a hard time with it . At the end of the day , these are necessities . You want to be healthy , wealthy and in love . I need to do mobility , I need to track calories and I need to do social media . We have an online company .
So , on one hand , alan , get over it .
¶ Everything you want is hard
I call it a want , love , hate framework . I want more clients . I love one-on-one coaching . I hate social media . Okay , well , guess what you have to do . I want a great body . I love weight training . I hate dieting . Well , guess what I have to do . Every person I've ever coached has a want-love-hate framework .
Everything you fucking want is on the other side of something you hate . That is a fucking scientific fact . I've never seen someone where that's not the case . I want to be wealthy Okay Well , but I hate working late Okay Sorry . So I know the stuff . It's just you can only do so many things . You can't stand every day and you have to pick wisely .
And so , rather than the whole thing being about going to the previous level , figure out what level you want to play at in each area , and then what is the want , love , hate framework ? And I know listeners , listen . I could look at a thousand things I'm doing well . I don't want to just beat myself up here .
I'm doing better than I've ever done in many areas . I am happy , healthy , wealthy and in love . To be honest , statistically speaking , quite frankly , I don't care that much about that , because I care about the next level , and I was talking to one of my clients earlier about that too . I said it is , it's awesome . I'm so grateful .
Seriously , I am grateful , but it doesn't change the fact that I want to squat heavy and I can't do it if I don't get on the fucking yoga mat . So I know this is a unique , intense thing with me . Having really , really , really high standards is really , really , really important to me , but I do know that I have to figure out for me .
It's these three Fitness , personal development and business . I need to be level 10 in those three things , but each one of those requires several sub facets . Like fitness alone you have to sleep really well , you have to hydrate really well , you have to train hard , you have to eat fucking perfectly . You have to if you want to be in really good shape .
You don't have to eat perfectly if you're not . And then mobility , breathwork , supplementation you have to take your supplements right . So there's a thousand things all of us are doing really well , and this is the unfortunate truth for everyone out there who wants to reach their goals and dreams . The science of achievement doesn't care .
The science of achievement doesn't care that I don't like mobility . So here's what I'm going to do I'm going to stack it on learning , because I love learning . So we have this awesome projector .
I'm going to put on a speech or some TED Talks , something I'm excited to learn and I'm going to get my ass on that yoga mat and I'm going to piggyback it on spending time with Emilia and I think that's going to be a good streak . And once we have a streak going , I'll hold the line and I'll help her .
I'll have her help me hold the line as well well and I think that's the last thing we'll we'll touch on before we go is the standards dictate how you feel about it .
So if you don't have any standards in fitness right now , you're not going to have any problem going back , which is potentially dangerous , because maybe for you , going back is not doing it at all . That's a whole nother conversation , right ?
If somebody came to me and said , yeah , I want to take like six months off of podcasting , no , no , no , you can't do that . Yeah , terrible , that's , you're going all the way back . Also , if they came to me and said I want to do an episode every day for six months , no , I wouldn't do that shit either .
When I there's , we're jumping at the , the polarities here , why don't we ? We can either take one step back or one step forward . We don't have to take 10 steps forward . We don't have to take 10 steps back .
I think either of those is very , very dangerous unless you no longer want to do the thing or unless you're willing to dedicate your life to the thing . Those are , and then everything in between there , I think , is just the old sliding scale .
Well , last thing I'll share here is this past week I've been . I want to be someone who can share the truth . There's a lot of podcasters who I know behind the scenes are a mess and they don't talk about how much they struggle . And there are some people that I used to listen to in the podcast space .
I used to watch speeches and all this stuff and they would say things like just get it together . Just what do you mean ? Just go to the gym , just get it together . You got this and it's like you're out of fucking shape , like you obviously don't have it together . If you were so on point , why are you so out of shape ?
And I just frustration and challenge and trying to figure out what's sustainable and what's not . I just for our listeners . I really do aspire to be this man , this person . I am doing better than I have ever done in every area of my life that matters to me . There's a couple things that I just can't seem to hit my standards on .
I asked Emilia one time on a walk . I said zero to 10 , how close are you to your own standards ? She said three and I said I know we're so far below our standards , but she is the most peak performing human I've ever met and I think that there's something to that .
I have a client who I always say when the gyms closed during COVID , she was the most upset about it . She was also in the best shape and every single other call we did it was us basically freaking out about the gyms being closed . There's something to that . So if you're struggling to hit your standard right now , don't give up the standard .
Don't give up your goals and dreams . But if you have to temporarily take a step back so that you don't quit altogether , that I can get behind Cool .
¶ Slow down or stop completely?
We're in agreement on that . Sometimes , yeah , is it optimal ? No , no , it's not optimal . It's not optimal to take a step back , necessarily , but it's also not optimal to stop completely , right . So if that's that's my , that's my next level lesson , and then we'll , we'll kick on out of here .
If the alternative to slowing down is stopping completely , then I would . I think slowing down is a good option . That's that's what I would say . But if you can hold the line . If you can hold the line , hold the line . If your emotions are trying to jeff you out of it , like then you gotta , you gotta shit .
Talk yourself or , uh , motivate yourself to do the right thing because , again to alan's point , nobody else is going to do it for you . Nobody cares . Nobody really cares about your goals , is nobody , I could say this with confidence . Nobody cares about your goals , is nobody ? I could say this with confidence . Nobody cares about your goals as much as you do .
Yeah , that I am certain of Now , if you are looking for somebody who cares , probably in a weird insane way , more about your goals than you do , reach out to Alan for one-on-one coaching , because he does . He's up at night . I get a message at . I think I saw calendar stuff getting switched around at 3am . I was like oh oh .
Alan was up last night burning the midnight oil .
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¶ Outro
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