¶ Intro / Opening
There is a great quote about humility by CS Lewis . I believe he wrote Narnia . I've never read the book , I've never seen the movies . I don't want to talk about it . The quote is Humility isn't about thinking less of yourself .
It's about thinking of yourself less , and I think it's one of those things where you just have to understand where your overall importance in the grand scheme of things is , and that can be really hard at times especially if you're somebody who has low self-belief .
I think everyone out there needs to find their people and they're they're absolutely people and they're absolutely not people . And our absolutely people are people with high humility and high work ethic , who have a sincere interest to grow and contribute beyond themselves . Our absolutely not people are people who are entitled , who want huge rewards for minimal effort .
Now , one of the most important character traits and I never would have said this in my early 20s or any of that , because I didn't understand the value of it to the extent that I do now humility , an accurate view of one's own importance .
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Welcome to Next Level University , next Level Nation today for episode number 2033 . Three questions to ask to build more humility , full disclosure . That little cold open you heard took me three times to be able to hammer my part without screwing it up , true or false . You thought I was gonna butcher it at the end of mine . You were close .
You were close , I thought you're . You know , occasionally we walk that line where it's like this could go horribly wrong or it could , it could go correctly . I was on a podcast today and we were talking about a great , great podcast . He what are some of the common themes or attributes from people that have been successful that you have coached ?
Like , what made the biggest difference when you coach someone ? And I said humility , by far and above , is the number one thing , a hundred percent . And then we kind of went down that rabbit hole and he said you might not have an answer to this , how do you build humility ?
And I was like , oh man , also , you sound extremely arrogant when you're talking about how to build humility . I understand it's hard to say like , seriously .
I think so I feel like what sounds arrogant is totally not on my radar at all . I would say that's accurate yeah , I have no concept whatsoever of what does and doesn't sound arrogant .
And again , who knows , maybe it's just me being paranoid , but I essentially was like I don't know that I have it completely figured out . I think you have to do hard things .
I think that's super important , but I think at the end of the day , it's just the understanding that you're not that big of a deal all things considered , and not everything and , honestly , most things aren't about you , but we think they're about us because we're seeing things from our perspective . And I gave some other tips and stuff and awareness , I guess
¶ Three questions that build humility
. But , when I was thinking about what episode to do today , I thought that we should talk about humility , because I don't know if we've ever really talked about how to actually build it based on our awareness and studies , I guess , and experiences . And I think there's three questions that you can ask yourself that are super powerful .
One what am I wrong about ? So somebody who is humble wants the actual answer . They don't necessarily just want to be correct , and one of the best questions for that is what am I wrong about ? Second one is where do my beliefs come from ?
So if I have a certain belief about something , it's not very humble of me to assume it is the way if I don't know where that belief came from originally . And then I like this one what can I learn from others ? Today ? Again , it's very humble to ask people not even ask to absorb lessons from other people . Here is the preface , before we get too deep .
There is a fine line between humility and self-deprecation . So if you are somebody who is struggling with self-belief and self-worth , I might ask yourself these questions less than somebody who has high self-belief , because if you feel like you're wrong about everything , I don't know that . The first place I would start is building humility .
I would probably start building self-belief . Maybe that's a deeper conversation , but that's my thought .
¶ Is it humility or low self-belief?
Well , early on , when I started coaching people , I would realize we would reverse , engineer the goals and we would get them on track , metrics and habits , and then they would achieve them .
And some people would swing the pendulum the other way , who used to be really humble or seem humble from the outside looking in , and then once they achieved things , it would go to their head very quickly and I know you've been guilty of that as well , I certainly have as well but quickly , and I know you've been guilty of that as well .
I certainly have as well . But people who I thought were really humble actually just didn't believe in themselves . And then , once they achieve things , sometimes they lose what I thought was humility and when in reality it might have been just self-deprecation or whatever , or just not believing in yourself . So at NLU we have three core values the company core values .
I'm on the NLU team dashboard right now and on our mission tab . We have three core values . Number one is growth a deep belief in self-improvement , personal development and being the best version of yourself . Number two is impact a deep belief in helping others reach their potential to achieve their goals and dreams .
And number three is humility A deep belief in working hard to earn what you achieve without entitlement . I have been wondering . You don't understand something until you understand the opposite . That's kind of a belief that I have . So what is the opposite of humility ? I think it's entitlement . I think the opposite of humility is I deserve by default .
And I think that there's something I've said in the past called spoiled brat syndrome , and I do believe that in the early days when my stepdad was doing very well economically , we I think that I'll never forget this story we were with some friends and friends of friends , and there's a Three friends of mine that were all part of a friend family .
I've said friend 18 times . My mom and stepdad had a couple that they hung out with and that couple had three boys and those boys were like brothers to me at the time .
And I'll never forget when we all went to go buy dirt bikes and four wheelers and stuff and I remember sitting there observing them and I had this really visceral moment of wow , they're really fucking spoiled . They were like angry that they couldn't get all of them . They had to like pick only two four wheelers out of the five or whatever . I want that .
And I remember thinking , wow , you guys are really fucking spoiled . Now again , this is sort of after my stepdad left . He took a lot of the income with him and my life became very different . Very quickly . My mom traded in her BMW for a little Honda Civic .
So I went from having a lot to having very little in a very short amount of time , and so I think that created character and humility , and I'm actually grateful for it in hindsight , because when you have everything stripped from you from a young age not only friends and family and extended family , but like money you learn the value of things .
Emilia and I were talking last night and we were saying I'm so grateful the furnace went out because it gave us perspective how cold it was when we woke up yesterday . I'm so grateful for heat now because now it's exactly 70 degrees , we have a smart thermostat that I can talk to and just have it be perfect all the time for me .
I like suffering because it gives you perspective and I think suffering gives you humility I agree .
I agree . I told alan today was the worst workout I've had in years , years because I'm I've crossed the chasm in the diet and it was the worst workout I've had in years , years , because I've crossed a chasm in the diet and it was just my fucking AirPods died . It was terrible . I mean it was just . I told Taryn today . I said I had to use the .
Taryn got abducted and if you don't hit a certain amount of reps she doesn't come home . I had to use that more today than in a normal workout and it was just . It was just brutal .
¶ Why do hard workouts and suffering build character?
But there was a little piece of me . It was like this is good , this is , this is building character , this is now . Again , I'm not saying you have to have that same experience , but I think it's , it's humble to to have a struggle and then say I'm gonna work through this struggle instead of avoiding it . I think that's a very humble .
I think that builds humility . But this is the thing . I think it's really hard to talk about humility , because I am in a similar boat where I would know someone who just didn't believe in themselves and it was self-deprecation that they were practicing . It wasn't humility , because I think you have to have a certain level of confidence , to have humility .
So I think , confidence has to come first .
If your self-belief is a 10 , this is what I finally figured out . I figured out finally , I think and this is my current awareness I think I figured out why everyone thinks I'm arrogant Not everyone , but why so many people growing up always thought I was arrogant . I had higher self-belief than I did . Humility Makes sense .
If I have level 10 self-belief and only level 8 humility , I'm going to come off as level 2 arrogant and I didn't realize that I have to have humility built in the opposite direction of my self-belief , otherwise I won't be centered . We were with someone yesterday , quinton . We talked about him on the last episode . He interviewed you and I .
He's very centered , he's very , very high self-belief , but he didn't come off arrogant because because he has built humility in the other direction , because he has built humility in the other direction and he just lived in Japan for a decade and Japan has a very subservient culture , from what I've heard .
Again , I don't know , I've not lived there , but I've just Emilia's dad was just there I've been picking the brains of a lot of people . I've always been curious about Japan . To be honest , just that culture is fascinating to me . But at the end of the day , humility is not put yourself down . It's an accurate view of one's own value . No , you're not .
You know the best shit since sliced bread , but you're also not nothing . And the other piece of humility too , and this is something that I struggle with constantly . I said this to a client not two days ago . I said what you don't know is limitless . What you do know is very limited . And she said well , how do you know so much ?
And I said just have data points . I said picture , picture a human being . I drew little stick figures . Of course she's shorter than me , so I drew a little stick figure of her . I said picture a cloud above my head with a lot of data points , facts . So gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared . Every action has an equal and opposite reaction .
Just data , just accurate data , little facts . Knowledge I I said deeper understanding is a connections , the connections of that knowledge and the more data points you have that are accurate . 195 countries you know , 40 million people in Canada , 345 in the US , only 27 million in Australia .
Different economies the more statistics you have , the more data points you have in the thought bubble have . The more data points you have in the thought bubble and the more data points you have in the thought bubble , the more you can connect the dots .
So when I said there's 200 species of dog , I have someone who is a dog and cat expert who has way more data points about dogs and cats than I do , so therefore she has a far deeper understanding .
So to one person it's just a dog , to someone else it's a dog who's a Pomeranian Chihuahua , who's 12 pounds , who has an intestinal blockage or whatever , and Tucker is fine , that's . I'm just saying this stuff . So I go to her when we have a problem with our dog because I don't know shit right , or I look it up or whatever .
That's what knowledge and experience can do , plus reflection , creates wisdom and understanding . Understanding , and that's why I think deeper understanding is the most important thing . But back to humility what you don't know is limitless .
I can spend the rest of my life learning and still know nothing compared to what there is to know , and this is what I said to her .
I said , however , I've had to realize as I've gotten older , at 36 , that the compound effect of my accumulated knowledge and experience and reflection over time , I actually do know a lot compared to other people , and that's been , and that doesn't sound humble , but that is the truth , because over the years I've started to realize like , oh so you like don't really
know much , but when in reality it's actually I know a lot apparently ,
¶ The power of knowing what you don’t know
but it's hard for me to think that because when I wake up in the morning I feel like a fucking idiot .
No comment , I'm kidding .
Well , compared to what there is to know I'm not trying to be—that was me being playful , I know Compared to what there is to know , we all know very little . Compared to other people , I do think we know quite a bit , which is just weird for me .
Well , I think that's a humble , I don't know .
Yeah , one of those is I mean , you don't wake up in the morning thinking you know a lot .
I'm the man I wake up in the morning .
No , seriously , though Real talk .
Again , no , I do . You and I are on different fronts , because I don't compare to what I don't know , I compare to what I used to know and I much , yeah . Well then , that must be hard to stay humble . No , because I am an idiot .
Still , I know I'm an idiot but I'm I'm the smartest idiot I've ever been . Okay , nice , I think that's good . That's centered smartest idiot I've ever been . Okay , that's the end of the episode .
I I had to build , I had to spend time building self-belief . I think people used . I think people used to think I was super humble . I don't know if I actually was . I just didn't have any self-belief . So , if anything , I think one of the hardest things about humility is oftentimes humility .
Whether or not we recognize humility in somebody else is based on our expectation of how they should act , based on what their results are .
Which is based on your own level of self-belief , which we talked about yesterday .
Right , it's like , well , if I was where that person was , I can imagine it would get to my head . It's like , well , it depends on the person . That's a projection . We're projecting our expectations on somebody else . Next Level Nation . We would
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It comes to less than $25 per session for the 12 sessions . Kevin or I will be on every single one of them . We hope to see you there . I have a story you've heard before Kev , where we were at the beach . This is the story I was thinking of , for sure it's so powerful because I just didn't get it back then .
And now it's so clear and at the time I was pissed about it , to be honest with you , because these two people out .
So I was with two friends and we were at the beach living the dream and we ran into someone who was on the Colts in the NFL and he was a bench player , so he wasn't like a world class , you know , within the NFL , but the percentage of people that get to the NFL is 1% of 1% , of 1% , right .
So it's a big deal for them and I don't care about football , but they do a lot , my friends . So when my friends met this person , what happened is when we were on the car ride home . I'll never forget it . They're like oh , that guy , he was so humble and I was sitting there going on . What fucking planet was that dingus humble ?
He was a fucking asshole , if anything . To be completely honest with you . Oh , you guys think that you'd be more cocky if you were in the NFL , if anything . He's actually too cocky to be successful in the NFL , to be completely honest , because he thinks he's the man , but in the NFL he's not for sure . And so there's levels . There's just levels .
It's easy to be a big fish in a small pond and that's what he was . And I remember thinking I was really really , really smart in math and science and awards and high school straight A's , blah , blah , blah . And then I got to WPI and it was , oh okay , yeah Okay .
So everyone who's you know , there's not a person at this school who didn't get a math award , you know . So it's a different game . But again , there's levels , and so the big fish , small pond thing is really dangerous .
¶ How humility changes as you grow
Well , I think it's again . It's a prescription based on where you are . If you're somebody who struggles with self-belief , you have to look at the wins . Yeah , Look at the wins .
If you're somebody who's locked in a fairly , a fairly accurate level of self-belief and you feel good about your self-belief , it's time to look at the losses , because that's how you build humility .
Well , if the goal is to stay centered , that's exactly what you got to do . Forever , you got to be your own coach . When I get a little cocky in fitness , kev gives me a little check , but if I was struggling , he's going to lift me up . That's what a great mentor does .
Well , the problem is we are our mentors . You've mentored me a lot , but I've had more conversations with myself than you . So if , when I leave , none of that sticks , it's really hard to you . Know that's . You're not going to do it alone . Nobody's going to do it alone , but the majority of your time spent is alone .
So what you take from other people , you have to find a way to absorb and keep within yourself , because you spend more time with you than anybody else .
The other thing with this too , and this is what I've come to realize . It comes down to what I talked about yesterday with with Quentin . On that episode we were on the social world versus the real world . Where are you getting your data ?
Because I'm in , I have a small , so I'm I'm living in the northern part of the town I grew up in , and I think there's a big difference between living in your town , which was totally by accident Emilia and I we bought a condo that's in the northern part of the town , which is a gorgeous spot to live . I'm so freaking grateful .
But , like there's a big difference between being a townie and then living in your town . And I go to a small gym in a small town , right , and if I'm not careful , it can really get to my head because I'm in the best shape there .
But I need to override that and say , alan , compare versus your best , because your best would wipe the fucking walls with you . It's important , but I also have enough self-belief to be able to do that right .
So it all depends on you versus you and , unfortunately , if you do compare to the social world , if you're on social media , you're going to compare all the top 1% to you and that can be detrimental . If you're in the real world , you're on social media , you're going to compare all the top one percent to you and that can be detrimental .
If you're in the real world , you might think you're the man when you're actually just in a small town , or the one , yeah it's very , yeah , it's very interesting .
I didn't realize how much it was connected to self-belief , because I don't really have that moment in the gym like I don't have the like you got to stay humble moment in the gym really almost ever . Why ? because your gym has big fish there's definitely some big fish where the freaking bug come from , sir . Sir , we're recording an episode .
Please , please , take it on . Thank you , yeah , I this morning . I was definitely . I was definitely in the best shape of anybody in the gym this morning , for sure , but it I'm not where I want to be . I think that's all it is .
¶ The truth about setting goals
There's always a measure of where you are versus where you want to be . I'm not where I want to be , so it doesn't matter . But you never will be . Yeah , but I , I will be like if there's a specific goal I want to get to a certain weight , I get there .
I'm not there okay , but when you get there , you're gonna set a bigger goal yes yeah , yeah , that's the finite game versus the infinite game , and a lot of people can take that too far and say , okay , well , once you get there , you're not going to be satisfied . Well , no , of course not . The goal isn't to hang out , it's a ladder , not a bed , right ?
So we're trying to climb to the next level , next level , next level .
You never actually get yeah to your dream but I will be satisfied for a very short time , until you up the ante well , I think there's a difference between , and again , maybe there isn't . I don't know the definition between satisfaction and content . You'll be satisfied for a minute .
I think content is like staying there or complacency , I think , is a better word for that .
Yeah I'll be super excited , I'll have a big cheat meal and then I'll figure out what the next level is , what the next ? Well , I think that's hard .
The only reason you look the way that you do right now is because you're on the way to something better 100% , but I think next level doesn't always look next level .
So , okay , what am I going to do ? I doesn't always look next level . So , okay , what am I going to do ? I'm going to try to gain muscle again .
Yeah .
So I'm not going to look the way I , so it's not going to really look next level necessarily , of course . Yeah , and I think that's what makes it challenging .
Yeah , that's the conversation about trade-offs Again . We talked about that yesterday too , but you have to sacrifice the current level that you just got to in order to go to the next level , and it seems like you're going down .
Yeah , of course , that's the hardest part about goals , even though you're not , I know this wasn't the point , but I was thinking about this earlier , the moment you set a goal your whole life gets harder . Let me explain .
The moment you set a goal I was just on a call right before this , with a client and she has some new things in her life happening , shout out to you . If you're listening , you know what I'm talking about . Everything has to change . Now she has a new goal and we went and revamped everything , and it's the moment . This is why goals blow .
The moment you set a goal with a future end date , everything you do and don't do has to reorient based on that , and you can't have a high goal without a high standard . So this is the formula Increased self-belief leads to a higher goal . Higher goal leads to a higher standard . Higher standard leads to frustration in the moment .
Emilia and I , we just shifted from fitness , food and family in the evening to we're doing our workouts in the morning . Today was the first one and we talked about it last night , because we walked last night for our exercise and then worked out first thing in the morning the next day . And I said the first day is going to blow .
It's going to be people , tons of people , rush hour
¶ Why humbling moments are good for us
traffic . It's going to be a new situation . You and I are going to have to rush to our first session . It's going to be terrible . We have to prepare ourselves for this to be fucking terrible . I left the goddamn garage door open because we were just off right . I went to the gym every day . I didn't go to the gym .
I exercised every day for three years in the evening . Now , all of a sudden , we're doing the morning every day for three years in the evening . Now , all of a sudden , we're doing the morning . Today has gone off the rails because everything has to pivot .
Now that we have a new standard and I do I get why goals are so brutal for people , because the moment you set a new goal , everything in the present moment has to reorient quite a bit .
Goals are hard , man .
Goals are hard , and if your goal is to be more humble , that's like a whole , that's a whole thing I think if your goal is to be more humble , set a higher goal I would say , unless you don't have super high self-belief , and you're gonna focus on that first exactly , I don't know if you can have humility without self-belief I mean this .
When someone says , wow , this was really humbling , what are they saying ? They're saying , wow , I just got my ass kicked . Based on this goal I was trying to achieve , like the live event , next level , live went awesome , but that was very humbling well , I think it's something that shifts your going to when we get a hop here in a minute .
But when tara and I went to Karen and I went to where were we ? Colorado ? No , colorado . We went to Colorado . There was this road where , if you go off the road , you die .
Yeah .
It was very humbling to be that close to something that could take your life yeah , very humbling . It changed my perspective about the importance of me .
That , yeah , I like experiences like that , like big time experiences where it's like , oh okay , that changed the way I look at everything , even though it doesn't matter at all , but it also does matter more than anything . I like stuff like that .
Yeah , the marathon was super humbling , 100% Right First half marathon , honestly easy . There's a video of me running backwards .
We're going to get her on social at some point .
At some point I wasn't looking great , but half marathon was easier than I thought it would be , so that wasn't humbling the full marathon . Are you fucking kidding me ? Oh my God .
That was terrible . One built belief and one took it away .
One almost took it all away . You know what I mean .
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