Tau draw in the afternoon. Hey With Todd and drop. Oh, yeah. Alright. We're back with the new media show. Todd Welcome from wherever you happen to be. Yeah. I'm in the Philippines and here we are, and I'm I'm glad to be back, and it was... It's been quite the to much couple of weeks. Yeah lots stuff going on. Lots of changes for you and lots of things happened in the podcasting space. I know you went to the podcast show. And Yeah,
would love to hear more about that. Plus also, we have some other drama that happened to you this past week too. You lost your studio in Michigan. Just I guess, I'll talk about that first. I arrived back from London on Friday, and had a nice Saturday, Sunday Memorial Day weekend planned, and 1 day deck 1 1 day back to work, and then Wednesday, I'm gonna fly out. And they really took... I took Saturday off in Sunday. About 10:00 at night. I don't know why.
Maybe it was intuition. Who knows I went and grabbed my laptops and see head Youtube point and I'm through my email. I see this termination of lease email. I didn't give me much notice. Did they... Like, in in month. But the. Right. The problem is I was leaving on Wednesday, and I went into a dire pit. Now I could've have I'd not been mailed, a certified notice of eviction, but just an email, and and really wasn't eviction. It was just a
termination of lease. And so I... I, went into panic mode and by about 01:00 in the morning, I had booked a U haul truck that I couldn't believe I was gonna be to pick up on Memorial Day, and a storage unit and had enlisted help and by Tuesday afternoon 03:00 in the afternoon, the new media production studios was no more I was empty shell and had of in storage, half of it in my loft in Michigan. So... Yeah. And, literally, when I go home, I'm gonna come home to just my god.
An incredible mess. Yeah. It it won't be pretty. So what are you planning on doing it? I think you had mentioned that you're gonna try and rebuild your studio in your in a place where you live no. Yeah. The challenge really is... It's a loft. So Yeah. I'm gonna have to figure out a cubby of some sort and maybe build a full wall, and it's the ceilings are beautiful. It's nice, but it's really not... It's not like a real ideal. And acoustics seeks, I'm sure is gonna be challenging. Who
knows? And then and then the whole situation with bandwidth. Is still probably gonna be a problem. I think I can survive with the way the bandwidth is right now. So, yeah. When I get home, it's gonna be scrambled to lag in hindsight, I guess that's a beauty potty. Right? You can... I can go audio only for a period of time until I get the studio built and or false wall built or whatever I'm gonna do and go from there. But
it just the... It was like, losing a child almost on a dog probably not like losing a child, but it was just... I'm still reeling from it to be honest with you because I'd put so much effort into that creative space, but it's ironic bra because don't build your castle on rented land. I think I'd made a comment like that on Twitter. What's the analogy correct here? Okay. Till... Yeah. How long were you in that location? 5 years. 5 years. Okay. Yeah 5 years over there. Got in a lot.
Know, And I... And normally, when you move, you have enough time to think. Right? And now you're gonna text... This was just who knows I may a packed up garbage beach. Yeah. Had to throw it together some fast. And so I'm gonna get home. It's... And I fill the 12 by 20 storage unit. Filled it to the rim, and then I've got monitors, computers, just stuff strewn on the floor. In the loft. And
yeah. So was... It just was depressing. But, yeah know, Wednesday got an airplane and and so I'm gonna be here for a while, part of it is some business that I'm doing and some other things too. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I was hoping that we could talk about some of the latest kind of news in the podcast space, like we always do, but a few of the is we've been
both off for a while. So It's just a matter of talking about that the rumors that are flying around about some big podcast hosts being sold here has been on Everybody's mind here. Everybody's trading messages because he's trying to figure this puzzle out. It's interesting. I'd heard a rumor at the podcast show. That the reason Lip wasn't there was something was potentially in the works. I had heard a rumor. Now yeah. Is it them? Is it... Who do
you think it is? I guess it's an interesting exercise really to think about who out there in the given situation in the podcast podcasting medium right now, who's like the best bet fellow. To point to who benefits from acquiring of podcast host and who has the money to do it is really a secondary question to this. But money is probably the bigger. Yeah. But it's also kind of business compatibility, maybe the focus of a particular platform. And so a new posted in the comments area
that it's that it's buzz route. Buzz brought has come out publicly and said it isn't them. And I have heard some comments. I don't know if it was just denial, but I have heard some comments that Lip isn't it either. So I don't know, you know, if if we'll know when we know, I think James K posted in the newsletter this morning that we should know by next week. So my guess is it's probably Aca cast is the 1 that's on the auction block. Right now. I think you... Yeah. That's why
the. They they they could be. They got the biggest global reach. Right. They that. And there's a couple big players in the medium that could benefit from an Aca cast, and that... Those 2 players would be spotify. And I know or be buying anymore blueberry blueberries leading podcasting 2. We've got the most implementations of any podcast those. Yeah. It's not us. Yeah. So it looks like a new what wants us to spill the beans on
this. But honestly, a new, I don't think any of us have the answer to this. It's a a puzzle. That's going on. It's an interesting 1 because it causes all of us to think about who's the best match for who in the whole industries. It got got me thinking about who's the best match? Who's the best match for pod bean. Who's the best match for even blueberry for that map. The people that are calling us. And again, we get inquiries all the time is late capital
investment firms. Folks that are rolling companies to do deals. Those are the people that are institutional. They got big pots of money, then they they they just buy company. Who did Amazon has bought some stuff already. Who did they buy? Amazon bought as far as a hosting company, they bought Art 19. But I would say that Art 19 has a big global presence.
So there's still a fairly small hosting platform that Amazon owns, and it's a good platform for their purposes, but maybe it doesn't expand their global reach quite as much as an Aca cast. Asked to put my money either on Lip or aca cast. My gut tells me it's probably not Lip, though Lip is positioned to sell. They've been positioned to sell for probably a year now, at least... Well, I made a I made a comment to certain individual. Why aren't you guys I asked
Rob. Why aren't you guys here in London, and it was crickets. So that would to me was, like, Rob would normally tell me Why... Keep in mind are that they own a podcast hosting platform in Germany. And so may ask the question. Yeah. So maybe they're the 1. So I don't know. There's a lot of talk yeah in the space right now, and it's hard to know how hell it's gonna play up Will be a sign going forward. And I don't even remember her where I
heard potential lip thing. It was just something maybe I said something to somebody and someone said oh, they're not here because... I don't know I... And and again, it was just this passing thing. It wasn't like it was just, Yes. It wasn't like 1 of those, but there was a... L had a team member at the podcast show, but I I'd only seen him once, I think, though. Yeah I think I saw that too. I think it was mainly your representation from the kind of the advertised cast
or which and ads team. That was there... Hey. The... That being said, the podcast show for us. There there was just a creator standpoint. When winter chicken dinner, we talked to a lot of creators a lot. Probably so much so that I I immediately committed for next year. And asked... I think it's a great show. I think it's a great show. I would have loved to have gone to it. Yeah. New posted another comment here says, what about a ga buying
audio, I don't know. I think aka ga might be interested in 1 of the larger hosting platforms if they were gonna do something, but I I don't know. That doesn't feel like yeah. There's not to me a pot buyers is and not almost... They're they're just not big enough. I don't think for... They're big in the Middle East. Okay. Rick has a comment here too says Rick s. After the stock debacle of a couple years ago with Lips
I think someone should, buy Lips. Right? You know There's some benefit in, like, maybe a larger company buying them, but I I had heard that some developers got, let go over there. Matter of fact, a lot of for Scott lot. And also, if you look at over the last couple years, there... There's been a lot of program managers that have come gone through sony as well. Oak good head, why do you all a sudden start letting go developers. Either there's 1 money issues, which I shouldn't
be at L in. Number 2, are you trying to make your books look better? That's... Yeah. I think a lot of companies are doing that right now, Though they're trimming staff. They're getting lean because I think that there's a possible expectation of a economic, a further economic decline. This can't afford to let people go right now with the way they're interfacing. Their back end is. Yeah. They never really finished Lips and 5, and... Yeah. And that Haven't really
done everything with Lips and Pro either. It's says this why be honest with they're losing business because of that. Because we basically talked to a whole bunch of Lips and folks at the podcast show and they were basically disgruntled. Yeah. So it's interesting. I was thinking that maybe more of this would happen before now this is a probably a good time for bigger companies to snap up smaller ones because of the value equation might be a little bit more attractive.
It has to be someone with a lot of cash on hand. Because the investment market right now is not good. I was... Know, I'm surprised there's been any And maybe that's why there hasn't been an announcement yet. Maybe something is not closing. Money's tight with interest rates the way they are. So someone's coming in and buying something. I have to say that I did think about Apple in this context. I tried to play out lot some kind of a scenario with them. That is interesting.
They're a... They're really the only major player that doesn't have a hosting platform. Yeah. I don't know. Apple hasn't built an Android App, the code there. And I'm not gonna say what my discussion was, but I did get a chance to talk to the Apple team at the podcast or several people at the podcast show, they were there. Even though it was a bit in incognito per s. They were at the event. They usually do that. It's just Yeah. They can't
exhibit. Do anything like that. Which they've never exhibited out a podcasting event in the whole right. Lifespan of their involvement in podcasting. But I was asking pretty specific questions about I guess I can say this that I was asked for specific questions about what do you want from us? What do you own Apple? What now what do you think we should do? And when I I went through my top 3 4 things. So... Do you want to me to share my thoughts on
a good combo for blueberry? I would think that you would probably approve of that, of my my my thinking on it. What do think? You think of who I might be thinking of? I'm not going to review... I'm not gonna say anything and... Because, you know, I who I'm talking doing what I'm doing. So would Who do you think the combo would be good? Let me just set it up a little bit. I think that automatic the maker of Wordpress recently acquired pocket. Right. But Okay. So let me put this
to bed. We're... Already has a stake in another podcast didn't plug in. Oh, no kidding. And have had for a long time, a small state. Okay. Does that public information? I think so, but it's been 3 4, maybe 5 years. Yeah, but there isn't really any plug that has any significance that's... There's a couple that have a little... That's really competitive to you though. I I would imagine. We're double market share of any other plug in. Yeah. Exactly. This is exactly
what I was thinking. But yeah. Little chris. I, give me a call. Hey. Well, we'll we'll take that. We'll take that conversation. There would be a matt or reach out to Todd and see what you can strike. Because I think that that's the best... That's the strongest tie in that you have. It's interesting because since podcasting 2 and everything that we've been doing and beef up our dashboard. Our dashboard bread is getting a little wider. It used
to be, like, 80 20. Now we're probably 70 30, 70 percent Power users. 30 percent dashboard users. So, you know, that... But again, the pod 2 stuff is... 2 stuff, some of that isn't cross roads right now and a couple of the functions. Specifically, the the streaming stats and some of that stuff And by the way, we are lit live video today Oh, having extra. Yeah. I was having trouble with the audio. It's better to get the joint way Right. Yeah. So I hadn't lunch today with Stephen Goldstein. So
that was interesting conversation with him. Not gonna disclose anything, but just to say, you still working hard in the in the podcasting space and doing events, and, I guess, He was up doing a panel up at the radio days Europe event or not Europe, but the radio days America event up in Toronto just a day or so ago, and He said that there was only, like, a hundred people there or something like that. So a pretty
pretty small event. And Yeah. Which I've done that a event in the past, but he's really bullish about video in the podcasting space too, and he's also also bullish about audio too. So I think it's not 1 or the other, I think, but he's looking at it too and he's going down to the Talker conference on Friday, which is down at the Hof University, and I was down in Long Island. I was thinking about going down to it, but I've changed my mind. And not I I in the the
Video was not even... There wasn't much of a whisper about people talking about doing much video in and the podcast? No. A lot of people are saying exactly what I've been saying is that very few are finding success. But then again, my session that I did, and I talked again about Apple having video podcasting support. Right. That was brought by... I 20 jobs dropped open because they didn't realize that
that Yeah. It's a very interesting aspect of what's happening on that is is when Apple decides to depreciate a feature that's in there, especially around content, it has an impact. But just remember, video was supported largely when itunes was still the primary Mh. Apple podcast, the app came out. Video was it really never supported much in the Apple podcast app. There wasn't
a Video detection. Yeah. Exactly. They used to have a throttle back and forth where you can click, see all the podcasts video, see all the podcast audio. Was at the top of the app interface. In the apple podcast? That's a good point, David. I'm not sure we're the Not sure it was ever in the Apple podcast app There was still a itunes thing. And now that we completely... It didn't make the jump. Right. Yeah yeah. I didn't make the jump. And that's 1 thing. III talked
to the Apple podcast folks about that. They said, hey, listen. Maybe you should think about having ways to publicly show that you support video so that... That might be good good public visibility for them to showcase that at this point. Again you've asked something and the development is a year down the road or whatever. Yeah. It's interesting so many people that didn't know that. No people don't know that they support Pdfs
too. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's a people are breaking down the doors to publish Pdfs with their podcast, but it's certainly something in the earlier days of this meeting. It's something that people did in, like, a companion information to their episodes. It was not uncommon. But again, I think a lot of people lose sight that a podcast, could be an audiobook with chapters. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. It could be a single episode that would be a documentary video.
All of those could be sold on apple premium, there could be, if you think about the media types. And again, this is people have been so focused on just spoken word audio that they forget that this openness of this medium continues to allow you to do other cool things. You look what Evo tara did in those early years with audiobooks. And that kinda just went by the side. That work that Eva did was groundbreaking at the time. Yeah. And thought I think it's a case for looking at the medium as,
like a more of a bucket term. I think lots of people want to put podcasting into a narrow definition. And that's where we're running into friction here is podcasting can include a lot of different types of media types. Yeah. The distinction that is that we're drawing on is whether it's our asses or not. And that's the controversy right now is Best thing that's available in Youtube Podcast podcasts because it is man our ourselves. But again, it's... You guys quit calling
Youtube podcast. What Youtube is created is a bastard die system. Youtube is Youtube. And you have a Youtube channel. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really disagree with that characterization because I use Youtube lot. We're on Youtube right now and And I've learned how to use it, and I have a pretty good understanding of how it works now. And it's... It is really most of what gets published in that platform is not Via, and only video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you think about that media or that platform,
everything is about video. So why do you think that publishing audio up there is gonna work? So it just... Oh, it suffice not logic. Right? Yeah. And it does work. It doesn't work. You know, if you're just publishing your audio podcast Youtube that that's, you know, to get 10:15 views is great. Yeah. So I wanted to move on a little bit and talk about pod news exclusive that came out about Spotify mega phone is rec, God, but the rest of Spotify doesn't appear to be. In the phone has... I think
mega has to. I agree with that. And I made a public comment saying that's probably a smart move on their part. I was a little shocked that they made that move or we're contemplating making that move of abandoning Ie across all their platforms. I think it was probably a mistake that they did that. Podcast first platform. This is may mega phone is a professional publishing platform and most of the shows that go with Mega phone are can to monetize. So makes sense. Spotify for podcast.
There's a lot of people in there that don't really care about advertising that money. Definitely a huge conversation point with podcast that who are you with? And we got a lot of my out of the podcast show a lot. There's a lot of people that are looking at these things and making hosting decisions upon these bigger topics. We're gonna... We basically are gonna be doing the v 2.2 rec certification. Yeah. That's what a mega phone is working on right now is getting to...
I guess that's the latest update. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So any... In the requirement Ie put down to us was that we have to rec certify annually. There is not doesn't matter if there's a version of the new of the back. Right. When we can come back annually and write that check. Yeah. Sue Anne writes. Youtube music. I think lets you toggle between audio and video preferences. They may do that, but just know that there is no straight audio in Youtube. Everything
has been converted into a video. So Yeah. It all gets back to how it's presented. And Youtube has also announced that they're going to take just to let everybody know. I'm not sure how they're gonna do this, but already announced that they're gonna take the audio, and they're gonna apply Ai to create a more kind of motion video type of a concept around that audit. I know. That's not just
tomato but... They also are planning on transcribing and doing different versions of the audio in different languages too. That may be a good thing, but they're also going take video and they're going to translate it into all the world's languages as well and apply Ai to change your mouth movements. If they better not without
permission? Yeah. And that also dovetail to what was announced earlier from Riverside, which is this video dubbed capability and I'm jumping head a little bit, but that is very similar to what Youtube is proposing to to do is to be able to change, take your clone voice, and then have that audio playback in hundred and 50 different languages, and to be able to modify the video to make it look like they're actually talking in those languages.
Speaking of a company where people are leaving because everyone I'm talking to is looking for new solutions with them. Oh, okay. Yeah. I know with that was another conversation. Yeah. It's a tough 1 with them. I've I know lots of people that have said I'm not gonna keep using riverside because it's not stable or something... I'm not always sure exactly what Problem. Needs a variety of regions. And I hear a lot of people saying that they're doing the district cast.
Route. Though... Yeah. It's... And, of course, there's all kinds of change even with with. Look at there lots of changes over there under new ownership Yeah. That... So so I did, pull up a a video, now the riverside folks put out a demo of this platform, and I do have it where I could play it for us if we wanna to see it, todd. Don't know if you want me to play it or not, but... Happy Okay. Let me pull it up here and see if we can see it here. Okay. So. Get upgrade strike.
Hope not. Yeah. I don't think there's any music in this thing. So... Maybe you had a slip up in the recording or you have some outdated information that needs to be changed like a statistic or Url, but you can correct it right in the riverside editor. We are 33 reviews away from 200 just select a word here in the transcript and click video dump. Correct the text, and then click generate. Then video double actually create new audio in your voice using Ai and w your Lips to
sync to that audio. We are 29 5 star reviews away from 200. We're confident that Video dump will give your creation process a massive boost and a new way to integrate Ai in your workflow. If you wanna whether that to access these features, go to riverside, dot their ph and sign up for then what they need to do is they need to now disclose that they have. Altered that. You have to do that on Youtube too. If you make a altered video,
you have to disclose that. You have to have complete disclosure that you have used Ai to regenerate. Yeah. And if someone now can take... This is dangerous territory here. Yeah. And that's similar to with what the Youtube folks were talking about in the announcement that I saw was doing similar, not necessarily changing the content like this 1 is. This one's giving you... It's a similar capability as the script has to be able to edit video
via transcript. Right? So you can get in and change the text and there as long as there's a voice in there recording of yourself, it it could create new audio. But I think sense in your. Yeah. But again, you physically changed the video with Ai. You you now you have to disclose that. That this video has been altered with Ai? I wonder if that's somehow being enforced or not? Or is it just people do it just because it's a moral thing to do.
I guess, I get... I gotta go back and look at my Youtube interface because they they made that requirement yeah, some ago. Or is that more focused on creating entire video content. Right? Not... I think, okay. So what do you do if you're taking a politicians words, and you'd red redo what the politician has said, I think anytime you you edit something, III think there's there's huge applications area. And okay. It's cool.
Whatever. But again, disclosed that this video has been edited with artificial intelligence. And, a portion of the video clip has been modified to use different words or whatever you're gonna have to do. I think that there... There... There's a line there of differentiation. I think that the script tool works, and I know that there... There's other tools that do this as well, but you just you can remove things from the video. This ability to add Ai generated content to the video is That
maybe be were the line. To make maybe we need to approach this in the podcasting 2 stuff so that there's a tag that is set for because there's nothing in podcasting supporting this right now, except if you put something in your show notes. Maybe there needs to be a tag added that is modified audio or something. Ai, you, Ai modified audio. So that way, those script users that are modifying audio with Ai can disclose.
I think it's I I think it's critical that we start doing this because transparency, podcasting has always been about me. Saying words to an audience. And as soon as I change the words, even if I edit the words in post, But it... What is the difference in I could take in an audio clip in post if I record without being live, and re record a segment and replace that is pure editing not done with Ai. So that's to me would be a non...
Yeah, I wouldn't have to disclose that I edited it using my own voice. But if you edit, with Ai that I you have to disclose. But when you say edit, there's two's 2 kind of ends to that. There's the editing for removal, and then there's editing for adding or editing Changing. Yeah. But changing can be, like, like what we do when we edit the audio and we pull out thumbs and o's or something like that for That's fine. But if if you change the
context of your sentence with Ai. Again, where does 1 word qualify? Does 2 words? Does a sentence? What where it what level do we need to make that disclosure? I don't know. So Sue ann says I don't think that's the rules intent. That's still there. And Sue ann also says that I guarantee just script users are not checking the a use box. I do think we're in this era where people are using these tools, but they're really not disclosing it because I think that there will be probably...
And this gets back to something I heard said, I'm trying to remember where I heard it, but talking about as you look like 5 to 10 years into the future that the content that's created wholly by humans Right? Just like we are right now. Will be probably behind a subscription or a pay wall or a premium content. And Ai will be generating most of the free content. God has. That's how this whole scenario might play out. And again, I think there's an advantage as a marketing advantage.
You market your show as as being a true voice. This is a non Ai generated show. And there's a difference between an Ai generated piece of content and an Ai edited so maybe there needs to be a distinction that a that a audio file has been used or video file has been altered with Ai tools.
Again, and and I I have a friend who paid very, kind of the the top end tier of a service that does avert his voice to French and German, And he, he sent me over samples of content that was recorded in English and then was recorded in Spanish and recorded in that content is fantastic. And and
he's basic thing gonna say, hey. I'm gonna set up 6 different channels with my content in the 6 different languages, and I will disclose that the I don't speak Spanish natively and this has been done by an Ai. So I think as long as you disclose, I I think you're good. Yeah. And but that is gonna draw kind of a line in the sand. Right, between those that are using Ai and those that are doing it without Ai. Right? Over time, that's what's... There's gonna be a divide that happens because of this.
And it's gonna be interesting to see how that... Who succeeds more or is it the Ai generated stuff? Or is it the human generated stuff, And that's where the... This this speculation around human generated stuff become more premium because you're actually supporting humans to do this. Right? And everybody, if you're human, you wanna create content and you want increasingly, people wanna make money. Right? That's like the second question that people ask us. Right?
About any kind of content creation, whether Youtube or podcasting is how do I make money from this. But if you're generating it via Ai. That's not human generated So maybe there's less of an expectation of market all considerations. That's certainly true too. Sure. You cannot copy. Anything that's been generated with Ai. Any the... It's the copyright,
That's the other question too. Right? If Ai generates it, does the human that type the query over the prompt, get automatic copyright on that content that's created by open Ai or chat Gp or who owns that copy right? The in the way the law is written right now, In the United States, if you generate your show notes, technically, that you don't own the copyright on your show notes. Unless you edit them, hand edit them herself. He as well.
He... Okay. And then the there's another gray area to what extent you have to add? Is it 10 percent? Is it 15 percent? Is it Or? It el check along where... And there's no... There's nothing on the books currently that even defines this. Yeah. I and I feel comfortable taking my audio, my transcript and subject it to Ai to create show notes. I feel comfortable doing that because I'm I'm using my context of data to create a summary of my
spoken word. I feel pretty good protecting that, whereas as a company, we're not using Ai to generate whole articles we we generate ideas for articles and then manually write the articles around the ideas. In order to maintain copyright control. That and also, I think that a Ai doesn't generate the proper context sometimes in what it generates that is... What's knowledgeable about if you're doing about podcasting that deeply knowledgeable about the in intricacies of the details
of the medium. It's really not that intelligent about it. I don't know that could change in the future, but know even read what Rick has to say here. Yeah. Rick says here using Ai to repair that audio is 1 thing. Using it to change the context or intent of something
is something else entirely. So that gets back to changing the content, not so much editing it, but in some ways, that's changing it too, but I think what you're talking about is creating new content but using Ai that is different than the original, not editing it has been happening for a long time. And Des script does a pretty good job of pulling out the u and the aw and the repeated words some those kind of things. And... But that's not really Ai generated content. I can hear our des
edited podcast podcasts. It's easy. But you can also see it in the video too because They... Your head is, like, jumping around. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's very easy to hear with des script edited audio files. It's very unnatural. Yeah. Sounds compressed. Yeah. That's the whole another issue with it too, because the script has the ability of changing the audio too and making it studio quality. Right? So it'll run a
filter against your audio as well. And right make it down like you're in a when a professional studio, even though maybe it wasn't recorded there. Again, I don't... That's all subjective. I'm not saying I've got it ear, but it's just like the Dolby product when Dolby came around and said, oh, that's running your audio podcast through this Dolby makes this Dolby thing. And I sent them samples of stuff that was already mastered on our end, and then I said... And
I couldn't hear the difference. I could not hear the difference in the audio. And again, I'm not an audio file. I'm not some of those people that has an 8000 dollar 2 amplifier in some liquid to bath that is making sure that there's no humming and distortion and blah blah blah, in the audio and I'm listening... I have relatively expensive, them up 3, 350 dollar in ear earbuds. So you you can hear all those details. He would Yeah. Again, I don't edit it so...
Well, and also, most people don't listen in expensive headphones. They listen in the apple, ear wired or wireless ear earphones, and those are notoriously, not very good audio, usually and it's funny too because people always tell me, oh, you have to edit it with speakers. I'm like, well I don't edit it at all. And the speakers I have are 99 dollar. I guess they're, like, bose, those little bose speakers that are on the desktop. That's my
stand. It those actually some good. I have a bose speaker on my desk here that I play audio through it too. Yeah. It's got I don't. It's like a 400 or 500 dollar speaker. It's not cheap But again, I don't edit it. I just like to play all sorts of stuff in there. So I don't know I don't have. Head been having some speakers now. My speakers are all in a box somewhere in a storage bin. Oh, so I'm listening Computer audio
now. So to change topics again here a little bit is I saw in that sales profitable is gonna be with Tom Webster gonna be putting on a new webinar coming up here June twelfth. And I thought it was a very interesting webinar because we have talked about this topic on this show a few times, and it's about the advertising load that's in podcasting and he's going to share this concept of, Let's say, how many ads are too many ads in a podcast? Or how often do listeners,
skip ads. So those are the key questions. Right? My question is about the difference between programmatic and host red or what those differences so I don't know if he's gonna dive into that. Distinction, but I think that's an interesting 1, but he's gonna try and cover this topic, and it's... I think that there has been some evidence in the prior research that those that are running a lot of ads in their shows are starting to trigger listeners to say, maybe we're maybe a
little too much. I... On my trip over my 30 hours. My spent, I didn't sleeping because I was a beet dog. After having you spent 24, and 48 hours moving in my studio, but I unsubscribe to some podcasts that I'd been testing just because head. I'm just like, load on them. Yeah load Your team minutes it's I'm like, are you kidding me? You just couldn't and then he gone for 2 minutes. Solace. So us absolutely solace ads. Solace. Or were they they... Host reads or were they programmatic kind of.
Host reads. They were horrible. Oh, they're bad host just oh and by the way use promo go blah blah. I'm like, like skipping. I'm looking for my phone to mash the 30 second button 3 4 times. Does not just 1 or 2 multiples, and again like 10... Multiple pre rolls, probably, at least 4 to 6 mid rolls. If you... Probably 2 pre rolls, 4 to 6 mid rolls, and they throw on the the end a couple of ads in the post roll position, which Don't really do anything. Don't move the needle
in at all. In that was a conversation I was having with podcast too at the event at. Podcast podcasts show. They... We were like, oh, yeah. We're we're running with such set company, and we've got 6 ads. I'm like, how long is your show? And... And they're, like, 30 minutes. I'm like, have you talk to your... Have you watched what happens with your listeners? And anyway, are they leaving? Well, we don't know. I'm like, you should be a Blueberry using our retention data to see how long people are
leaving. Oh, you have that. Okay. Should be able to see it on your your Apple chart in your Apple account, probably where people are dropping off if it's... No one's use an apple according to all the sources out there. It's all spotted up by now. All the Da is a dead product. Don't you know? That is the impression that's being given out there. Isn't it? Or it's ridiculous.
I think that the way to really summarize that situation is that Spotify probably has more users that consume a less amount of podcast podcasts, than Apple probably has fewer users, but they consume a whole lot more content. It's more of a Spotify has listeners that listen to a certain of content. That's true too, probably. Yeah.
Yeah. But I've gotten definitely the distinct impression that that The research that I've seen is always pointing to spotify having more podcast listeners, like, by slowly, globally, but but the typical consumption of individual spotify users is like, a half or a third of the amount of episodes consumed then Apple. So if you're an Apple user, you're probably consuming twice as many episodes of podcast podcasts. The data that James presented at the podcast
show on Spotify was not surprising. To me whatsoever I I got to see the date of the day before. James... I was basically a lobbying hanging out the hotel and James showed me as it wasn't working on this keynote. And And surprised. Based upon, again, it goes back to why does... Why is Spotify dominant in this market here. In I'm at right now. It's because they're paying for bandwidth. And people can stream music and audio on those
without handling the where data. Yeah. I think that's a. But there are apple's not... I I don't believe apple's doing that outside of the house. You no. Or doing it anywhere actually. Anywhere. And Facebook's doing the same thing. And they run a promotion and knows for the next 90 days if you sign up for such a a and people change phone numbers here like they change underwear. So it's not... And they just... They pay a buck for a new Sim card, and they're on a new carrier.
Because no one's no 1 is tied to a data plan. Right. I pay for every month, and it's got, like, unlimited data or some large amount of data that they can use every every month. Yeah. It's a different it's a different model until that changes, the consumption patterns are gonna be quite different in. And there are other people communicate on Facebook messenger, and that's their main messaging app. Whatsapp is big here too. Line is big. But
it... It's just a different mentality once you leave the United States or Canada or... Syndicated everywhere. It's not really a that difficult. The s is that's the beauty of what's what we have here. We've got the ability to be syndicated everywhere. Yep. Of course, you get a large swath of consumption, you know, your try... And again and shows different, but this show is not listened to on Spotify. I can
tell you that right now. More than 50 percent of this audience is and Matter of fact a lot of people actually come to our show and listen on the web page, which is blows me away. That are in 1 of the the podcast 2 apps like fat or some of those is where we see a lot of connection with this show is on those alternative podcasting 2 apps. And, Sue anne here post a comment, that's 1 thing that's difficult still, podcast data and stats.
Especially if you are syndicated everywhere. I think it's not as bad as probably you're saying it is, but I think part of the the challenge is that it's still not a strict standard either. I think we're close to it. We're a lot closer than we were when we didn't have the Ie metrics standard, people were all over the map on that 1.
But, yeah, it's an interesting point though is that as we look to the future, and especially if you look at you increasingly look at youth consumption as podcast consumption, then, yeah, there's completely different metric that's going on there. But anyway, 1 thing I was gonna do here and something I should loaded it up. I'm loading my u up. Thank you to a deal scale to allow me to this this from... My is now sitting in my... K. Let's look and see what we've got from boost. These boost here in a
little bit, but nothing on today's show. It's probably not... Most people don't watch us on video and podcasting 2. So... Right. Like get audio stream picks up next next show folks. Yeah. Todd, keep in mind that in your interface there of stream, you can share the screen too if you want. Yeah. See here if I can And of course, I guess I'm okay to moved it. The problem is I can't change tabs. Maybe I can drag this out. We do this. Let you over here present? What do I present? Share screen.
Okay. Which screen do I wanna show? Okay. You let's make that. I'd be having to, give permissions here of Alright. There we go. Turn that. Yeah. Use my finger to give the password No. I don't want to quit and reopen. It'd be very bad with Rob right now. So at the Tom Webster on this webinar that he's putting on he's going to... In this on June twelfth.
He's gonna talk about listeners perceptions of hearing the same ad multiple times within a Within an episode, that can happen especially if you have... I think if you're pulling from multiple ad buying platforms, in, like, a waterfall type of situation Think there is a possibility of duplicate ads to
get certain. Yeah. Very bad. So let's say an ad buyer buys an ad with ad buying platform a and an ad buying platform b, targeting the same demographic or the same target type of show, they could funnel the same ad in multiple times into a podcast. And I think that may cause an amplification of negative reactions. Tom says in the Youtube channel over where on my channel he says I'm listening to now on my 8000 dollar tube amps setting in a liquid band. I actually believe
that. Tom is the Tom is came and a couple of mother of cast autos are definitely. When we're sitting around, Course sitting around the bar having me an alcoholic beverage or, and, for tom and non alcoholic beverage, there is. They start talking about bands and albums and track. And concerts and, you know, to me it goes definitely not a... But I believe it. But I do, Tom, maybe you'd be interested. I've I've got about 5000 Lps in storage. And did do say I look. The or
older records? My Dj days back in the on the eighties. Dj days as well. We should talk about that, Todd. I know you had Dj days. Yeah. Not a d... Yeah. I was Dj at the club and Guam. Oh, you were. Yeah when you actually had to hump your your albums in the milk crates. Yeah. That's not unusual, I don't think. Well, now they just bring their computer with a hard drive. Yeah. That's true. That's true. Once everything got digitized, but, yeah. I've got a bunch of
records here too. Hi. I almost bought myself 1 of those pioneer Dj mixing at every very expensive. They're a couple thousand dollars. I almost bought 1 a couple of years ago, But and then I slap myself because I was, like, dude, you don't even even have time to do any of this other stuff, why would you... It's just gonna sit there and
collect dust? Yeah. I saw that there's a webinar being put on, it's in the Pod news newsletter as a is an event that's coming up on June thirteenth at about I think I believe it's 10AM Eastern time on Thursday, June thirteenth is create and Ai narrated podcast for your newsroom. So what this is being applied to is if you have a news, like, a newspaper or you have a Tv station or something like that, You can use Ai to generate all your podcasts. I know a podcast that's generating an Ai
podcast with Ai. It's all self generated using his clone voice. And it's. I think we're gonna... Yeah. Probably. Sad okay? Yeah. I don't know. I guess it depends on how Good. His or her voices to begin with. Now also and how the robert quality. I I didn't mention it, but celebrated the big 6. 0. Congratulations. You've off the Rub. All downhill from here. It was 40 I been in a hospital. When I broke my back, 15 was okay. 60 was a realization that there's more miles behind me than in front of me.
That's probably a pretty good way of looking at it. Because I don't think they gonna make it to 01:20. You know, 50, there's the chance you can make it to a hundred, So you're like, Yeah. You're probably not gonna double that number. Oh hey. Hey. My my grandparents lived to be a 98, 99 respectfully on my mom's right Wow. That's late nineties... They had a little different lifestyle, the depression era. So it was meat and potatoes and not too much like the l
elevations. And unless dress down on the farm. Right. Exercising a lot of it. That was a healthy lifestyle. That's the reason I was back in Seattle. I was how opened my dad. My dad's 89, and so he moving out of his house and do a senior living facility in. So he had a lot of stuff in his house. So it's to go end at the end of the month. So... My mom's in her early eighties, and she's still spun and in fact, she helped me Move, but she's packing stuff up, carrying boxes Also cost.
Yeah. And and be honest with you, you sit in a recliner, you're gonna die. So you have to be busy. And in doing something, and we have a big thing against this here because we're both sitting in in front of our computers a lot. Yeah. 1 of the first order will be is when I get back I will be bringing very difficulty bringing my standing desk back to the house because I use my standing quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. This is gonna be a monumental change
for me. I just... I think so good dread And you're gonna have to be more like me. I ran this I ran the show out of a 10 by 10 bedroom for years. Mock Yeah. It's all you've never done to me. So... Yeah. The only difference is I don't have a room. Yeah. It's open. So you're gonna have probably problems do you think? Not probably... 1 thing I considered too was, but the problem is Before Covid, I could have found a studio apartment in my town for 6 700
bucks a month. But now, post Covid, you can't find a rental in my time. It's... You on a waiting list, and the cost is extraordinarily high, even for a little the little town I was that I'm in. But again, if I gonna do more of this more traveling. Yeah. Maybe then this is like Gods sent in disguise. I don't know. But 1 thing's for sure, I have significant... I have a significant amount of much more money in my business account every month. Yeah. Because I can
be paying for that office space. Right? No. It's now no rent. No insurance, no electricity. No gas bill. I'm already paying that at at my law, so that was a fixed cost anyway. So... Yeah. It's awesome. I don't know what they're gonna do. It's a weird situation because... It was my own fault because as on month to month. And but that room that space had been empty for several years before I moved into it. And
there's no 1 next to me. There's the weed shop was to the left of me and me and then a whole big massive space that's empty next to me, and I'm just... Maybe Their communication has been weird too because I said, okay. I'm out. He's been turned over. I've turned off Electricity I'm disconnected gas. My insurance on the space has been terminated. Here's the information if you want to get the gas and electricity turned on for that
space again. So either they want to expand their weed shop into my location, which they're gonna have fun doing because it used to be a dentist office. It's wired for water air and gas. So they're gonna have to rip... Essentially have to rip the whole space down to even use it. No. Yeah. Very. And but it could been, this could have been the play too. They said, okay, Your lease is terminated. You've been month to month.
It may be expecting me to panic and come back and say, okay, how can we fix this. And then then say we're gonna raise your rent 50 percent, and you can stay. So maybe they were using they could've came to him me and said, hey, we wanna raise your rent. We know you're on a month to month. They could've have been upfront with that. Yeah. Because why would they give up a paying tenant unless they got a better deal from, let's say the we shop expanding into
your space? And I don't think they're doing that much business to expand. They're gonna have a hell of a time with that space. That's a very unique space. Yeah lauren physics it's... Yeah. Lot it Yeah. Who knows. And I heard a rumor or maybe a restaurant was going next door. And that has been dispel in again. Maybe this was just a weird way for them trying to ex more rent, but I had no... I had note it was memorial day weekend. No way to communicate with them. Yeah.
It's crazy. So I got another topic here if you wanna don't talk about it. And it's this whole topic around c listening I know this topic has been bubbling around for the last couple of years around some research coming out saying that increasing people are consuming podcasts. Via connected Tvs and doing it with multiple people at a time. And I guess that makes sense as we think about people watching television, how they've always done it in the past, or if they sit around the
living room and they watched Tv together. Increasingly, that appears to be what's happening increasingly with the video content. Right? So there was some research that came out. And but also to dovetail with this it says, Most podcasts are consumed via mobile phone, Right? 69 percent. Edison share of your report reported that 11 percent of podcast time is bent on smart speakers, that's.
And 6 percent via connected Tvs, both in room devices, 17 percent of podcast time spent occurred in the car while others could be listening along as well. Multiple people sitting the car. Oh, I see. It's a cool listening. So a podcast is playing and multiple people can hear it. And that
also is taking us down this path. Maybe the consumption... I think the assumption has been, the podcast consumption has been, like, a play to 1 person type of a medium, Right, in the headphones or what whatever, but maybe increasingly, we're seeing groups of people consuming the same content. Could be 1 other person. It could be 2 people or 3 people or something like that consuming it. So I thought was interesting if that's driven from way people watch Youtube
together. But yeah. And I guess it depends on how you define what a podcast is. This really goes back to podcasting my air and just tripped on me. Just filling water on my forehead. It went hell. Not no birds can Pee because there's a roof above me. I thank goodness for small favor stuff. Yes. I think goodness. They could've got us sp. Right? I don't know. Guess listening to me It's just still this personal thing. Says about about a mobile podcast video
production vehicle. I... That's more than 1 people have suggested that. I think you've done that for a while. I think you did that in Hawaii Didn't you. Yeah. I had a mobile podcast. When I was sold in the navy. I was traveling with a rig. What did I traveled with this time? I traveled with a boom arm and Smb 7, a road broadcaster duo and my laptop. And Yeah. That would work. Right. Yeah. Sparking. Yeah. We mean had double fingers to make previous landlords.
So the same research that I was quoting, the Edison Said that does among consumption of podcasts with... And in this case, with children, it says a 36 percent say they have listened to a podcast with their child. So yeah. That's another example of c listening going on, Laying my kids or sport, or sped pot for years. They didn't have a choice. Right? Even though they're probably rejected because I I wanna play my... I control new Bluetooth. Right. Until until you got their own smartphones
and they could listen to something else. Yeah. Yeah. So it says 12 percent say they frequently listen to with their children. I guess it depends on the age. Right? I would think it doesn't really talk about the age of these children, but would imagine the parents wanna hear what the kids are consuming. If I was... You know. Apparently no my my school my role was, give me your phone, and I they had to give me your phone on a moments notice that I could just
give me your phone, and Couldn't touching. And step unlock it, and then I would be able to go through. So I could... So that's how I did audits to make sure the boys weren't... I'm sure glaze being boys. They were probably covering the tracks immediately if they were going to a porn site. But the... I was making sure that cats and apps and who they're talking to and do a little bit self auditing on that on a regular
basis. But I so III don't know how many parents actually take their kids phones away from them on demand. And Yeah. I don't know either. Yeah. I was big on that. Hey, Rob, You remember Ic q? I do. It used to be part of part of America online I believe. 2233255 was my Ic q number. I don't know why I remember that. Think they they they just shut it down. Yeah. They just pulled and plug. I didn't know it was still even the software. That platform has been around
a long time. That's amazing. It's like Skype too. I think both those platforms were back in that era. The Sky still. Yeah. Skype. Yeah. Actually, I think Microsoft built in chat Gp into it. It's called carl. Yeah. What's called c copilot now. Yeah. Into So you can do a Ai query and generate images and and results in Skype. Yeah. I thought that was a little bit of an odd combo, but I do know that Microsoft wanted to add all the Ai to all their software, and it's Okay. We'll see
how that plays out. Yeah. I don't wanna keep, harp on this, but if you're a listening of the show, that this show or even my tech show. Give me some suggestions. What should I do? And what should we do that would be cool and unique. If you think about an open floor plan, and how to implement a new studio? By the way, Robert, Rick says I still pay for a Skype number. I do 2. I've got 2 because of G c Pod 1GC pod 2, but when I travel overseas, I use Google Voice.
To make any calls back the states, and then I buy a Es or my phone for data to try to keep the calls down, and then I call forward my digital line to my Google voice number. So... Yeah. That's 1 that makes sense. Yeah. To try. Keep instead having to pay a hundred dollars a month on a international plan. But if you're in T Mobile is the best phone to travel with internationally. We do nothing. Yeah. I mean, for years, we use Skype
to do this show. Well. It's only been recently that we've moved to other platforms like Zoom and now streaming yard Yeah. U. So it's, you know, for us, Skype was the amazing tool of this time you know? It have to be stream. It's gonna have more of a presence in my future. Well the tri in a box, but I can't do the podcast awards with the str. Just... There's no way I can sequence that with str. Really? Why do you think thoughts? I I have all the acceptance videos to play. I just do that in
it's smooth. Can I do that without? Yeah, I don't know. If you saw what I did with the video I put now? You have to go to share and then is it clean? Is the switch between I don't know what we'll figure it out. Don't you do a little voice over between videos too? Well, all, honestly it I pre record the awards. Oh, yeah. Oh, that instance, I I could piece... So you're just playing back a full length videos is what you're doing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because it's just too hard.
There's too many moving pieces. I usually can record it in 1 take. But I just would not wanna risk that because I'm pushing switching levers and playing videos. Yeah. And I'm gonna be getting back to working on the podcast whole fame here before too much longer. It's coming yeah. Again, here in 6 months. So the time ticker is countdown down on that. Yeah. How many we gonna do? Probably the same as we did the last time. It'd be nice if we could add a couple more. I would like
that. It's gonna make the event longer, but It's probably okay. I'm okay with making it instead of 8, maybe 10 or something. And then just tighten up the speech time. Most folks don't use a all their time anyway. That's true. That's true. So it... We shall see, and it's gonna be interesting to see what happens at Podcast movement coming out here in August. What kinda of turnout they're gonna get in Washington Dc and be Tell you podcast movement
needs up their game. I will say 1 thing about the podcast show. There's no incentive for people to stop at the booth. They haven't got that down yet. The up of the booth like, a contest what pop there's... You, in people were... It it's a great venue the way it's outlined, but there is a Yeah. If we go... And when we go back next year, we will incentivize people to come to the booth. I'll just put it that way. So Rick. So boy, That's a good comment here
too. Is probably something for you to consider, Todd is combining Ob with Stream. Oh, alright. Because Ob is free software that can be installed on your computer and you can play all those videos right through Ob. And it's just something connection stream can't. No interesting. So stream art just becomes equivalent to, W or a rest Yeah or something like that. Sorts. But it has that kind of audience engagement layer too, but the Ob can be the engine that actually plays the videos.
That's interesting. And also the still potentially free. They a better deal because it's free. They can make this product a lot better by adding some of that function, be able to play videos and be able to have a true switching function. And you have some control there, but it's not yeah. I have to upload it to the brand area of the interface. Right. So it's preloaded loaded, and then I just
go in and I click play play. Is how it would work now granted, there could be a little bit of a delay and it's starting from the point that you click in If you're using Ob, it it's probably because it's more local in the client. It'll probably be a quicker response. I've got 60 days to get something done once I get back. And to be honest with you, I will be pretty laser focused on that anyways. Okay. But to my back still hurts from Rob, you should have seen
the mono wiring that came out. I I had built the first stage of it, and I added more stuff and had 5 layers. I do not ever. I don't ever need to buy a land cable. Video cable, you're all stocked Oh. Hi. A matter of fact, at some point, there's gonna have to be a garage sale or and put on marketplace because Holy.
I I probably took a hundred and 50 pounds of cables out of that building because I had a security system, I think a lot of people realize what you built there, but it was basically had 3 studio days right era. Even though they... Different purpose in mind for each 1 of them. And monitors. I've got 5 5 big screen Tv monitors. I've got computer monitors probably a dozen 5 6 mac minis. It's just it's free. So also, most people don't know what a Tri lancaster is either.
What do you think you're gonna do with that studio in a box? Actually you have 2 of them. So you have the full size 1 with the big keyboard, and then you've got that portable 1. Right? Technically, I have 3 because... I highly do 2. So... Well, Right I have the portable 1. And that one's, pretty, pretty much at this point. Yeah maybe. But when I upgraded to the Tc 1 from the 08:60 they, basically, let me keep the 8 65, but it no longer got any support updates. So stuck in a aversion. So I have
the 8 6 Metric. Day, wants to Try cast 08:60. Let me know, I'll make a deal. The operational s great box. 5 is the number. Let's see Yeah find 1 here that when they can bring up on the screen. Okay. Here it is. 8 8 65. Yeah. Let's see if I can pull it up. And people can see what we're talking about here. It's actually available. Looks like on ebay. You can get it there... Yeah, and I have the I have the computer and the control panel. Our control, the control board.
Okay. So here it is. Here. Yeah. Yeah. That's about right. Well, I grand will get her done. Yep. You can see. It's like a studio on a box. Basically, it has this output that displays into a monitor. Right? Yeah. And you can an 8 on it. Yep. And it supports Nd too, so it has Nd support. So it has this really cool keyboard too. It's... Right so that That it... Switching keyword. And, that that which makes it easy to do a full production scene. You just, hey.
Just hammer play, but you can crop the video link and everything. The gray box. Yeah. But there's a string deck of sorts you wanna draw drawn an analogy to what you're seeing here on the screen. It's gotta It's got a big 4 bay hard drive system in it, seeing some monster box. It's like A4U box. It comes with it. The unit I have right now is it's a Tc 1. No. Doesn't show the actual Cpu unit oh in the computer now. Yeah. If you click above the 18 99. I think it shows 865.
So I click up it says new Tech Tri cast or Tc 8 65. 8 65. Yeah. Look up straight up on that. T ebay listing. People who viewed this item also viewed and see the 39 99 1. There it is. That 1. This 1. Essentially the same box 8 68 65. Okay. That's what the actual box looks like that runs... I think it runs windows. Doesn't it? Yeah. Runs Windows. I think that one's stuck on Windows 7, The Tc 1 that I'm on is on I think Windows 10. Oh, okay. In the day that was 35
grand. Yeah. It looks like that they're selling her for about 3 900. Yeah. Which it's still a probably pretty pretty great deal. Could you possibly use that with your new studio? I've all so the 8 65 was never to deployed in the new studio, it was in a box entire time. Okay. So... Yeah, like the studio in a box, that small 1. But the 1 I, you yeah. The 1 I've been running all these years is called a Tc 1. Yeah. But it's A2U it's a much smaller computer.
Oh, it's a smaller computer. Yeah. But it's... And it's got a smaller control board. And it's Nd capable too. Yeah. We've been to totally geek out. Geek out on studio software tonight have... You know... Here's you have with free Ob and. You can that we do, everything. That thing does. That's what I said when the Tc 1 died, I would never... I was never gonna buy another tri lancaster. I
was gonna go to some other solution. Chances are you're probably gonna wanna sell them all and just move towards more of a software solution? Yeah. We'll see. I don't know. But again, for me, muscle memory been fun because it's just... You you have to... You, you gotta teach your old dog new tricks. So Does those tri caster do this support Windows updates? Or is it basically... Lock a lock. Yeah. It's a lock operating. 10 or something like that? Is that what
they're pretty much locked at? Yeah. When they deliver it, they deliver an operating system that does not get upgraded. And It's a can... It's just, like, getting them mac, but you don't get windows updates. It says fixed set of hardware. Right. No. Okay. Manage it to the end. We did just in the nick time. 90 minutes. That's always going. I hit the audio record a little late here, so please send me the both the audio fitting
new. Awesome get things up. Alright Well. And the saddle here we'll be back normal scheduled time. I guess, I'm good. Are you good for next week? Yeah. I think we're good for this the same time. I'm gonna be gone the entire last week of June. I'll be about actually work. Because I'm gonna be moving... Yeah. That actually works good because I'm gonna be... I've gotta go to Sub that week as well for business. Yeah. So the last week of June, No show on the 20 sixth works out
Perfect for me. Okay. Fantastic ton. Alright. Everyone. Thanks. Good luck. Out there. No. Yeah. Todd at blueberry dot com at geek news on Twitter. A send donations too. We okay. This was not a in expensive, of course I'm talk about saving money. But... Yeah, Send your donations. It's help the tab studio recovery fund. Yeah. And to see all of our old episodes just go to new media show dot com. It's a great place to get caught up on the... How many years now, Todd? 12:13
years we've been doing this. I think longer. That. Yeah. I had the number, but it's... Yeah, It's been a while. And I can be found on x as well at rob Green, and if you wanna send me an email rob dot Green, at gmail mail dot com. It's a great place to find me, but I'm on all the social platforms, and I'm still doing my podcast tips show every Thursday night at 7PM Eastern 4 per 4PM Pacific. So tomorrow night, that'd me. Can I'll be back? I'll be back with my back in the saddle at
keaton Central. I sent a... I did a mop sad. I got crude episode on for my Monday show because I just didn't have the energy to do a... To do the regular show plus it was my birthday. So Yes. That's true. You did have your birthday. Yeah. So me anyway. I hope you had fun. So don't a little bit of a hangover, not bad. Yeah If you wanted to check out... Yeah. I know we mentioned that the hall fame, But if you wanted to go check out the whole fame what we were talking
about. This is the website address that you can see all the past ind and what's going on with that. So that's the address. Pod pot H0F dot com. So... Podcast rewards nominations open in 25 days, July first. Oh, that's coming up quick, and then the actual Awards are given in September on September t. Yeah. That's why the clock will be ticking when I get home. Yep. Alright. Everyone. Thank you. Alright. Thank you, everybody. Good
night. Thank you for all the comments. It was great to have for this live and be able to pull up the comments on the screen and always fun to do that. So we'll be back next Wednesday at 8PM Eastern 5PM Pacific. So Come back and check us out again. But in the meantime, this is an audio and video podcast, so you can get it in apple, and can get both video and audio. Take your pick. Alright. Good night, everybody. Thank you so much.