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This is Andrew Gillum coming to you with not the second, but the third episode of Native Land Pod, where we break it all down for you.
What's happening in.
Politics, a little bit of what's happening in culture, but not too much of either. And the beauty of today is I get to do it with two of my favorite favorite people, Tiffany Cross and Miss Angelo Rod.
What's up, ladies?
Hey everybody, welcome with you number three, Welcome home. Can I just say really quickly before we get started, I want to give a shout out to the Gathering Spot. I'm broadcasting to you, guys, life from a gathering spot, black owned business, and so just shout out to them for being a partner and host of Native lamppod. So what up Gathering Spot? Shout out to the gathering.
Thank you Gathering Spot for sharing some space with us. It's only a tiny bit of space because Tiffany's so fun sized.
The disrespect for the petits out here, well, I tell you that you.
Let me find out fun size, like yeahful, I'm sorry, Tiffany, let me know I need to go ahead and withdraw my offense if there's.
An I'm vertically challenged. Sobody my secret. I'm five to two, but my attitude six months and don't try it all right exactly? How about that.
I also have a slight confession, which is, y'all, I have some or surgery in the past couple of days. And so if you are looking at this or even listening, you hear me, you know, mess up a word, a little kerfuffle here or there.
Just give me a little bit of grace today. I'm trying. We're pushing and.
Brother, because if it would have been me, I would have been under bed somewhere. Y'all would have to come get me.
Please believe the Metzure in full effect today, Yeah and fullfect.
Thank you for showing up though while you're still a little bit under the weather because I've had only episode three, y'all, yeah, you kind of can't.
We might have came to your house to come get you, or or all the listeners who we should probably think the people have been listening, they have been reviewing the podcast. We are so grateful that you're tuning in. But Andrew on episode three, they definitely would have run to your house and been like, where you at, Gillam come through.
So we're grateful for that care.
You're basically saying the center of our listening universe is based here in Tallahassee.
Yes, yeah, no, I think that there are planes, trains and automobiles though, So that's the thing.
There it is, y'all, There it is.
We have an exciting show for you all today, as I said in the intro, a little bit of news, a little bit of the culture, but not too much of either of them. We're getting right to the news, ladies. And I gotta say this because I remember doing this public speaking event and I and I greeted folks as ladies and gentlemen, and this one woman and two of her friends afterwards came up to me to say, we are not ladies, we are women. And she then gave
me a whole thing about the difference. And so just know that I know the difference, but I know my two colleagues.
Can you tell me I'm not I would like to know. You know, Cicely Tyson used to draft people saying ladies.
Created with a dainty, you know, particular way of being a trophy established upon women by men, more of a sort of status and social daintiness than it had to do with gender.
I don't mind. You can. If you look like me, you can call me girl. If you don't look like me, don't call me.
Don't call me hip who I'm with you on that. And we're gonna talk about baby later. We're gonna talk about that.
Yes, later, we're gonna get it at. We're gonna get it at anyway, Andrew, are you trying to get us to New Hampshire? I think, my brother I am trying to get us to New Hampton already.
I know, I know, but we can take our time getting there.
In fact, we're gonna spend a long time in New Hampshire because by now, I'm sure all of you all know what happened this Earlier this week, New Hampshire held the primary that Angela. I think people projected to have a lower than what actually performed turnout on behalf of
the Republicans. I don't know what you make of that, but essentially we had what was record turnout in New Hampshire for this primary election, and the all able King Donald Trump appeared to have prevailed that I get the news right on that.
Yeah.
I think what was really fascinating is think I thought a lot of people would you know, kind of stick that one out. They had more than three hundred thousand voters show up to participate in the New Hampshire primary, outpacing their performance which was their original high mark in twenty sixteen. So it is fascinating to see folks come through and, as Tiffany would say.
Vote for their king.
Yeah.
Can I say though, this is my big problem with New Hampshire. All right? First of all the issues that they voted on their top four issues, it was the economy, immigration, foreign policy, and abortion. Okay, so those were the top four issues. And then you saw a reporter after reporter talking to voters and they would ask, why are you voting for Donald Trump? And the random voter would say, oh, well his policy aligns with mine. Now did these reporters say really what policy specifically?
No?
Or they say well my life was better under Donald Trump?
Really?
How So they just put these sound bites out there like it's truth, and they would never challenge any of these folks on any of these things. And that to me is so that's what I want to hear what policies specifically align with you, and I'll keep saying this until the media gets it right. Never once was anybody asked, well, what do you make of his racism? What do you make of his misogyny? What do you make of his xenophobia?
What do you make of the ninety one indictments. It was just let's pretend none of this has happened, and we're going to treat this like everything about this man is normal, when nothing is normal and democracy is on the line. This has been my big drum that media influences policy influences elections, and both are failing right now.
I kept hearing about immigration, immigration, immigration, immigration. Can somebody just put into context for me? Is what is the immigration issue in New Hampshire?
Like?
What is it the Canadians dangerous?
What is it that makes look?
I mean I think the reality of it is people are mad. Yeah, I think people when they say immigration, I think what it is is people are mad that the brown people crossing the border. Because most of these voters likely watch something you know, like o In or Fox News. They have it on a twenty four hour doom loop in their home and all they can see is my life is so shitty because all of these people keep coming in taking resources from me. This is the reason why I don't live in a bigger house
because of these people. This is the reason why my kid can't get a job when they graduate college because of these people. There is no immigration issue in New Hampshire, certainly not one that should be driving your interest at the ballot box. So I call bs on that it is racism under a different name, MASSES policy, and we see you, We know the truth. You know the thing.
I'm curious to know. What was the last time you were in New Hampshire?
Just the first of Nebruary. Actually, so hasn't happened. I don't think I've ever I ain't never had a connecting flight through New Hampshire. I never passed through to go somewhere else, you know, I just I really haven't.
What about you.
The last time I was in New Hampshire was in twenty twenty. Andrew and I a Bols fellows of diop at Harvard and we did an event in New Hampshire. And so that was what four years ago?
Yeah at least, and mine was I mean about four years ago. And it was a really quick, quick, quick, quick stint quick stint in there. The reason why I ask, y'all is because New Hampshire hearkens back to a comment that you made, Tiff. I think the last episode and maybe even the one before that, when we talked about who shows up in these products. Right now, Angela did a great credit by talking about three hundred thousand more people,
and of course we salute, you know, more participation. But if I'm not mistaken, we're talking about the state that is pretty much a monolist.
Ninety four percent white. I was just pulling it up.
I found ninety two point six TIFs need to be on Jeopardy. That's good, Tiff. Ninety two points is what I just pulled up Therety is.
And that that's not to say that people who look and sound and are from and all this kind of thing, same upbringing, same issues, own as one or the other.
Doesn't matter. It matters.
But the interesting thing that I found about the New Hampshire primary was the fact that self identified liberal or rather self identified moderates and self identified independence tend to coalesce around Nicky Haley, whereas everybody else who was pretty much identified as just a Republican got behind Donald Trump. So Donald Trump got to see the coalescing of Republicans behind him. But this really interesting gap opened up, y'all.
And I wonder if you take anything from this that independence and no party affiliates who leaned more right, many of us said that under no circumstances will they vote for Donald Trump. That group got behind NICKI Haley to the degree of I don't know for or so of them voted for her. Do you think this signals anything in the long term to be problematic for Donald Trump?
Yeah, I mean yeah, I think that the thing that we're seeing is there is a real divide in the Republican Party in terms of what they want out Like we know that Donald Trump is absolutely what the Republican Party has been building for many years. But I think that there are some folks, maybe the Karl Roves, the folks who were associated with HW and W. Bush, who don't want it to be this outward like this blatantly racist. I would imagine the Condoleeza Rices even of the world,
wouldn't want it this bad. Clarence don't care, y'all, see that Clarence does not care as long as you take them on a trippy good but the rest of them right, there's there may be some pause, I think with What is interesting is Nikki Hayley being from the state of South Carolina and then having a senator who she appointed.
Somebody's the Tim Scott, but not mine.
Still, despite being appointed by her originally being from the same state, said it is now time for me to indorse Donald Trump. Of course, we know he'd already dropped out of the presidential election, but New Hampshire had a solid one hundred and seventy seven votes. I don't mean thousand, I mean one hundred and seventy seven votes for Tim Scott, and Tim Scott took it upon himself this weekend to not endorse his fellow statesman stateswoman south from South Carolina, but to endorse Donald J.
Trump.
I would love for us to roll the clip.
Thank you. They were saying, we need a president who will close our southern border today.
We need a president who understands the American people are.
Sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Really, he was having church with all them white folks who who on Insurrection Day he would have I'm not even gonna go there y'all know what would have happened to Tim Scott if they didn't recognize him on Insurrection Day. The point is he burned and said, to hell with loyalty to this person who he's from the same state, who arguably share some of the sentiment he might share
around the Confederacy remove statute. I'm not a Nikki Haley fan who at least some parts of the day, they both recognize that racism is a thing, even if it only happened to them and nobody else. But it's very bizarre to me that that was the approach that he took, and not only did he well, I want you guys to talk about what you think about how he referenced Fanny lou Hamer.
Yeah, I was gonna say that. I think that's the most offensive part because I'm probably most of the audience couldn't even you know, name that that quote came from Fanny lou Hamer and she stood for the complete opposite of what Tim Scott, Senator got. Tim Scott says, and Tim Scott has often said that he went from cotton to Congress, which you know, he's gone from cotton to Congress to clown. It's just embarrassing to watch this guy.
But I will say, angel I kind of disagree with you when you say it's not a problem for or that Donald Trump should be worried about this gap with I and Nikki Haley. I actually don't think he is worried. I think he's a bully who loves to pick on her, and I think he mathematically it doesn't show to be a big problem for him. He is the front runner, he will likely be the GOP nominee. And to watch people who say they would never vote from just months ago,
I'm not talking about twenty twenty. Just months ago, people say I will never vote for this man, they have criticized him, and to watch them, one after another line up behind this man is disgusting. To see a black man do this is even more disgusting. I don't know what Tim Scott is aiming to do. When you say he dropped his presidential race, legit, I forgot the man was running. I want to insert that Oprah meme and say did you drop or were you dropped? Because nobody
was paying attention to his campaign. And I think a lot of these people who launch these campaigns they're really angling for a position in Donald Trump's cabinet were he to be reelected and have no real policy agenda or anything. They are loyal to power. I really quit, Andrew.
I want to hear what you got to say, but I wanted to just clarify one point. The point that I was trying to make is for someone who's supposed to be like their guy one hundred grand, he is still barely clearing half fifty percent. He should be in a primary in the seventy percent out eighty like he should be killing it. He's not killing it. And that is the part where I think it's a flag. Do
we think that that his arrogant self is concerned about anything? No, anyway, I want to hear you, Andrew, but I just wanted to clarify that one point.
No, No, that that's fair, And I actually tend to agree with you that. First of all, as the former president of the United States, such an embarrassing time for the country that he wouldn't have an opponent if he were as a former president running for the nomination of his party again, So the fact that he's only pulling half of the Republican Party should seem a little problematic to him.
But it won't. On the Tim Scott thing Man.
There is a particular disdain that he has for her, and I just think it's more than what meets the eye. Probably not worth our time in consideration, but I'm just curious to know what that they're there is as it relates to them. I do think for the Republican primary, Trump not having the independence and moderates behind him is
probably nothing. He'll get the nomination, but I think in the general election this thing is gonna rear his head again, and this is probably where you're going to see Biden and Harris try to come up the center. We're gonna be scratching our head at some of the advertisements that happen, I think later on in the campaign. But when we do scratch our head, let's just double back to this moment, to this conversation, and we start to think about, well, who are they trying to get? Who are we trying
to bring to our side? And I think it's gonna make a lot more sense some of the tactical moves that you see the Democrats in this campaign take later in the cycle. But I said to the audience on episode one, the reason why these primaries mattered is because this is when the fields starts to widow. It has been whittling down ever since and just before that primary. And I think this thing is about to be over and probably a shoe a few short weeks, if not sooner.
You're talking about doubling down. Tim Scott doubled down after, of course, Donald Trump proclaimed victory.
Last night.
Donald Trump had a lot to say about why he's abandoning Nikki Haley in this way, and we get to hear what Tim Scott's response was, did.
You ever think that she actually appointed you, Tim, and think of it appointed and you're the senator of his state and she endorsed me. You must really hate her. No, it's uh, it's a shame. It's a share.
Oh, I just love you.
No, that's good.
That's why he's a great politician.
Lord man, I do not even claim him. So I am not embarrassed. You know, it is what it is. The line, the line is shorter. We should roll on because he about to get rolled over. The problem is he didn't did all this stuff. He didn't propose to this woman that he probably don't know that well. He has thrown the governor or the former governor who actually appointed him under the bus and and the found that people said the lady is a scammer and was a
scammer with her and with her ex husband. But he's doing all that, you know why he wants to be the v P. And he about to speak. He's on a fat phone mission. We can't cuss no more. But y'all look up what a fat phone mission is. That is what Tim Scott is on.
We can well, I just love you go ahead, sip, and then we'll roll through it.
Well, I just because you brought up the general, and I think that's where they're like, we know what the general is gonna look like. You know, people as crappy a year as twenty twenty was, people are like, let's do that again. So if we're looking at Donald Trump and versus Joe Biden, I want to shift the subject a bit to talk about the political advertisement, the political advertisements that you brought up, Andrew, because we have seen this act before and what we have now is an
outsized influence on our political elections. And what I'm talking about is artificial intelligence AI is going to wreak havoc on elections. I want to just let our listeners and our audience members know that. This week, NBC News reported that the folks in New Hampshire were receiving robo calls, fake robo calls from President Joe Biden discouraging people to participate in the New Hampshire primary. This is nothing new.
This has happened in Senate races. When Ron Kirk ran for Senate in Texas, there are fake robo calls leading him. I think when we think about what happens in AI and our elections, we are lacking in imagination and how dangerous this can be. This year alone, over two billion people across the globe will vote and choose their elected representatives.
The fact that AI is going to have this big influence can influence our elections not only in disinformation, but literally in the mechanics of how we elect these leaders. And I just think the big question we're asking around AI is is it sci fi or is it horror? And we really don't know at this point, and I think we have to make sure that AI is in our hands and we are not in its hands. It even has a big impact on media, we have to
remember that AI is neither artificial nor intelligent. They are pulling from people, and if the majority of people they're pulling from are white folks, then that's going to drive a lot of AI. It is not intelligent, so it's pulling from the dumbest people, and that's that's going to recav it as well. Sorry, go ahead, Andrew.
No, I was just going to say, I mean, I think you're right, you're you're right on the money with this one, and I think we should hear a little bit one just an example of how how artificial intelligence played a role with some of the deep fake robo calls from Joe Biden. Just this last New Hampshire election a few days ago. Let's here, voting this Tuesday only enables the Republicans in their quest to elect Donald Trump.
Again, your vote makes a difference in November, not just Tuesday.
Unbelievable.
So if you if you missed what that was, this was a a robo call being sent into households in New Hampshire telling voters that while defeating Donald Trump is important, it's important to do that in November and not for them to go and participate in the primaries that were held this past Tuesday, encouraging people basically to to stay home.
And you all may remember this from from my race, and and and and even from some other races that took place during the time of robo calls going into people's homes of the voices of pastors and reverends and and and and other you know, identifiable African Americans making calls basically say hey, don't get fooled. The election is
not this Tuesday, it's next Tuesday. Stay in line, this you know, this sort of thing, so really mimicking the types of calls and clarion calls that come from polpits and many African American leaders saying hey, if you're in line, stay in line.
That's legit.
We've often said that, but to confuse the election date, saying that it's not the first Tuesday of of of of every November, it's gonna be the next Tuesday that you're supposed to show up and vote. That can have a deleterious effect on the outcome of the election. Where you consider that not everybody knows when election day always is, and oftentimes these are going to be voices that seemingly are of our community, from our community, targeted toward our community,
except in fact it's not us at all. It's artificial intelligence being piped into their into their into their phones.
You know.
The thing that is scary to me, And I was trying to listen for something that would indicate that that robo call was not him, you know, something that would indicate that it was you know, like, what what about the cadence of his of his speech? Is there something that tips us off that it's not real? And at the end of it, plane, I'm like, man, And the reason why is because I'm like, why can't I tell that it's fake? And so you just feel so bad. Part of what I'm wrestling with you guys, and I'm
sure you're dealing with this too. As our parents' age is there are so many different kind of scams that specifically really target our seniors. Robo calls probably for the most part, or targeting seniors. Young people are texting and you know, on social and other ways. Although my mom had shout out to mom and daddy always on Facebook, but like I literally walked in on my dad probably I don't know, maybe six months ago in the summer.
He's on the phone arguing with someone from Amazon about something that he didn't purchase, and They're trying to get him to give his debit card number so that they could refund him this money. And I was like in the kitchen and kind of halfway listened. I was like, wait, who are you talking to? And he was like Amazon. I was like, they don't even call. So I snatched the phone. I was like, I suggest you hang this phone up right now before I call the FEDS on
that ass. Sorry, daddy, but that's what happened, and he knows it, but like literally, And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because AI isn't just hurting us and engaging in voter suppression. It is literally causing our parents, our elders to like spin excess resources that they don't have. It is fraudulent on all fronts, and so of course it's going to impact the electro system. So we have
to be hyper vigilant and super aware. And then we have to figure out a way to discern truth from a lie, even when it is a voice that we all know. That's a lot, you know, So anyway, Amazon stys I want to get.
Point out really quickly. Yeah, and Angela, I love that you brought up the fact that a lot of seniors are targeted by this. I also want to point out, because you said your parents spent a lot of time on Facebook, Well, these mega social media companies like Meta, like Amazon, like x Twitter or whatever we're calling it these days, they have fired a lot of people who were in position to safeguard some of these AI efforts to infiltrate these platforms. Those people have been fired in
sweeping numbers. We saw this over the years, and nobody a lot of people were waving a red flag saying, hey, this isn't a good idea, and those positions, as far as I know, have not been replaced. So that's something to think about when you're on social media. Man.
Well, I just I really hate that they have determined that it is no longer their responsibility to play in this space. When they are they have the platforms by which many of these scams are being perpetuated. You've created the space, you've created the ring in which the game is being played. But somehow you're not responsible for referees,
you're not responsible for safeguards. You run up, you know, against the stand and you break a leg or your nose or you this there's no responsibility to be shared whatsoever. And I got to say, it's a big reflection of our regulatory environment, which is really played kid gloves with a lot of these companies, basically, you know, taking the lead shop and saying, well, if we start to regulate artificial intelligence, then we're going to stifle creativity, innovation, and
growth in these sectors. You saw this come to a head this past summer doing congressional hearings where the Biden administration did get out there and basically say, you know, we don't want to put handcuffs on innovation, yet let's let it, you know, lead a bit, and then the regulation is going to follow. And I just think that this is a mistake, and I think we are badly, badly misestimating the ways in which this is harmful to our democracy and the way that it's going to show
up this election cycle. And in a race where you're talking about the difference between the winner and the loser being a point represented by a couple of votes every precinct, you can start to calculate how very quick fast, and in a hurry, the other side realizes that we're playing in margins, We're not changing whole communities and whole societies. We're just in the indentations, very very small, unwriteable places that are making the big difference here.
Yeah, I agree with that, all right, And honestly, AI is scaring me. I want to I want to move on. If we can't exactly sci fi or horror right now, it feels like horror.
Well, y'all, we could keep going with this AI thing, but I'm getting freaked out, so I think it's time to pay some bills.
Let's take a break real quick.
Well, I hate to make it worse for y'all after the break, but it's still a little bit of horror.
And gloom and doom.
What did you say earlier, tiff what was the what's the gloom doom cycle or something?
Doom loop?
The doom loop coming up?
That's they're so good.
If the Democratic Party could hire Tiffany Cross to lead them in messaging, they would probably.
Well, then there's that. Okay.
So here's the thing, though, this is a place where I think the Democrats are killing it from a messaging standpoint. As you all know, we're just on the other side of the fifty first anniversary of Roe versus Weight, and in twenty twenty two, of course, the Supreme court overturned Row in the Dobbs decision. However, Kamala Harris, Madame Vice President, who we know and I just talked about this last week,
is fantastic at prosecuting the cases against the thing. I wanted it to be against racism, but Kamala showed you how to get it done. When she went to Wisconsin as they face this new bill that's been introduced to ban abortion after fourteen weeks, there would be an abortion band. She took abortion head on. She talked about what was at stake with the Wisconsin law, but she also talked about what would happen if a national band were to make it to President Biden's desk.
In America, freedom is not to be given, It is not to be bestowed. It is ours by.
Right, by right, and that includes the freedom to make decisions about one's own body, not the government telling you what to do.
This afternoon, in the Wisconsin legislature, extremists will hold a hearing on a new bill that would ban abortion in this state with no exception for rape and incest. And in the United States Congress, extremists are trying to pass a national abortion ban to outlaw abortion in every single state. But what they need to know is that if Congress passes a national abortion ban, President Joe Biden will veto it.
So here's the thing we talked about last week, the importance of Vice President Harris being on the road kind of prosecuting the case against the things. I know that people desperately want to hear what the Democratic Party will do for them going forward. How have these accomplishments that
they've made helped people in a really tangible way. But the thing that I love about this is this calls women ladies no matter we're saying, Andrew straight to the carpet and reminds them all, particularly the fifty three percent of white women who voted for Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, where are you going to stand? You want to be a single voter issue about life? Do you really want
the government making these decisions for women? It has been too long where the government has put positioned itself to make decisions for us and not doing the same thing for men. And so I really appreciated her being in this role, not only fighting against a potential national ban if the fifty first anniversary of Row, but also taking it straight to the Wisconsin state legislature, and we all know that Wisconsin is a battleground state. I thought it
was super smart tactically, geographic, messaging wise. I just appreciated this. I love to hear what y'all thought.
I thought she did a great job to your point prosecuting the case. It makes me nervous her messaging there aside, she did a great job. I'm passionate about this issue
for sure. Her messaging aside, though, Angel, it does make me nervous if we're trying to appeal to white women to show up to help save this country because they a white woman outpaced white men in their support for Brian Kemp when he ran for governor in twenty sixteen in Georgia, and they wrote it for him because he was introducing that abortion ban in Georgia that ended up having potentially having bad economic impact on the state. So look,
whatever it takes, everybody show up. Her messaging was great, But if we got to depend on folks outside of us, I'm just not sure that's enough to keep Donald Trump from the Oval office. Quite frankly, as scary as that is.
God, I hope you're wrong by every by every measure, but to to Angela's original point, which is to say that this was a clear example of the Vice President going in unleashed, unrehearsed, unchecked, unbothered really by opinions of others, but rather getting to the point of saying, look, I'm so frustrated, but I also feel so free to talk about that level of frustration, what drives it, what animated
her in that moment. It is true, this is the kind of of of animated and anger field moment that I think we we wanted to hear a little bit more of when we were when we were reviewing that piece on race that she that she sat down with the view on and I just got to say, I think part of what gives the Vice President gave her license on this issue is the broad based support, appearingly from white women majority white men in some of these elections that have taken place where it's been essentially a
vote on whether or not you stand by a woman's right to choose or not. And frankly, the motivations may have been different for what got them to where they are on the issue, but they cast to vote the same, which was to say, no government, you don't have a seat in this room. We're taking the seat back. Leave it between a woman and her doctor. Case after case after case where this has been on the ballot and states both red, blue, and purple. I said both, but
all three everything in between. We still come out on the right side of this issue. And I think the Vice President felt that license to be able to say, it's unfortunate that we still don't yet have that license that has been well earned, well established on the issue of race in this country, but certainly on this issue, I think she felt licensed. To your point, Angela, she
prosecuted it like a prosecutor. Would she tore it from you know, to quote boomerang from Ruda to tudor not to quote boom y'all ain't gonna get that boomerang reference.
I got it.
Got to coordinate, you know whatever. Anyway, Okay, well there's that. I just I just thought we should acknowledge when they do the things that we're encouraging. And so kudos to y'all. Yes, yeah, yes, kudos Vice President.
Thank you for that. All right, lampid tip, that's thank you. I just want to thank you. Shout out native lamp pod. Yeah.
Speaking of Wisconsin, we know politics are everywhere, tip everywhere.
Let's talk about what I know, you love.
You know, you're the in house resident expert on sports but also entertainment.
What's going on? What's going on? Oh yes, thank you? Okay, I want to talk about award season because y'all know I the OSCAR nominations came out this week and there's a lot of chatter about it. But I really wanted to talk to you guys about award season in general because there's a diversity problem, as you may have heard in Hollywood. So I do want to shout out killers in a flower Moon. Some people liked it, some people didn't. But at least there was Indigenous representation at the Oscars,
which is long overdue. Jeffrey Wright and American fiction Sterling K. Brown and Danielle Brooks for the Color Purple. So I love seeing an Api community was nominated. I love seeing some of the diversity. But Angela, this is my issue. Oh yes, thank you, thank you. But here's the thing. The award shows to me still come across like this is white man's land. You know, it is still overwhelmingly white people saying do we select you, do we like you?
Or not?
From the Oscars, to the Emmys, to the Grammys, and I just have stopped putting a lot of credence into some of these award shows. And to me, we're celebrating the diversity in front of the camera, which is good. Thirty percent or movies that had a title main character black actor went up thirty percent since twenty twenty two. We like that, but we got to talk about diversity behind the camera and a lot if you, I know, you probably remembered this, Angela. I think Variety, maybe the
Hollywood Reporter. Variety did a whole spread on the number of black women executives who were leaving some of these major studios, everybody from Warner Brothers to Discovery, and these are people who have power, they have green light power, they were leading some of the DEI efforts, and it's
just shameful. So I don't know what it takes for us to build and create our own but I know when I see the creativity that exists among black folks on social media, I'm like, what would entertainment be without us? So I don't know how we fix this. Angela, you're in LA. I feel like you have your hand on the pulse or finger on the pulse of the community, and you said at the intersection of a lot of things,
including entertainment, politics, policy, all of that. So you're so dope and my sister, So I'm really curious your thoughts on this because it's frustrating to be mad about it and also want to celebrate it at the same time.
Yeah, I am, you know, thankfully, I don't have my pulse too much on this community being grooted or groomed in politics. For by Congresswiman Water, so I was like, for real, La not Hollywood. It's a difference. And then also Seattle, so definitely keeping them roots. But I think that what's frustrating to me is there are these incredible actors also Coleman Domingo style.
Man.
Watch him on the carpet, y'all, he is killing it. But they are every time, like nails it, every time they are shining. And Danielle Brooks deserved, I honestly thought to Raji deserved and not she killed it as sugar. I'm also partial because of everything she's been saying, and I want her to get up on the stage except an award and say it again where nobody can run from it, and then the other thing, I'll tell you
that I was really disappointed by TIF. You know, in our Girls Chair, we've been talking a lot about how powerful Origin is. I was so disappointed that there it was a complete snub, and I would argue, oh, did.
They That's what I thought they weren't. The film didn't come out in time. Let's see somebody check me. But I think that's what the issue was.
It says Ava Duvernet's Origin has been notably shut out of the awards circuit this season, not receiving any Golden Globes, Critics Choice Awards, or SAG Award nominations. Origin had been a possible Oscars hopeful, but it was ultimately shut out. I don't know if shut out means that she missed the deadline.
No, they would have said if she missed the deadline. So I take that back. I retract my statement. Why do you think she wasn't nominated? I think because she didn't need to go through a big studio.
And I think that right now, you know, big hollyoo what wants to make this point that like, in order for it to be official, in order for it to be credible, in order for it to be good enough, you need to go through our process. That process rewards old traditionally white power structures, the same thing we talk about industry wide, and I think this is no different.
This is the film that got.
An eight minute standing ovation in Venice, you know what I mean, Like, this is like an incredible work where when I saw it at the New York premiere there was a five minute standing ovation. Like, I just I don't understand. I would like to understand what we're talking about, especially because she pushed to do this herself to get the financing from the philanthropic community, from other folks who would donate to it, because she knew it needed to
come out before the election. She knew that democracy was on the line, and so she wanted people to see where this type of these types of ugly ideologies come from, and that's why she put out this film based off of Isabelle Wilkerson's cast.
So I just I don't know.
I don't know what all goes into it, but I can tell you every single award season, I'm happy for some folks, but really pissed about some other things. And this is one of those things that I'm really pissed about.
Because do we care, you know, like to me if you get an Oscar nod. Again, we're begging the white man please pay attention to us, Please give us one of your awards. I'd rather her see economic success at the box office. You know, if there's some kind of way we can bypass the gatekeepers who rarely allow us access to this kind of thing, I'm all for it.
Andrew, what you say, well, I say we should go where we get love, right, and sometimes those places are ones that we create for ourselves, and sometimes that love comes from places that we didn't necessarily anticipate, which brings me to this next topic.
I knew where you were going. I love this.
Yes, girl, is this topic of when a black woman calls me baby?
Yeah?
There's this video on social media.
Yeah, let's play it. We had to clip.
Okay that that really it touched me because I know the feeling and I'm certain that it is probably layered with all this other stuff that we're gonna throw up on it today. But let's just take it in its innocent form.
Let's play. Rachel.
I pray to God that this does not come off as offensive to anybody, because I mean, that's with the utmost love and respect from the bottom of my whole entire heart. But when a black woman calls me baby, there is so much I what kind of magic are you putting in there? Because that shit hits harder than crack. I every single time, every encounter in my life that I have had with a black woman where she calls me baby, I have never felt more loved and supported in.
My entire life.
I feel almost imprinted on, like like are you my mother?
I feel her.
I know that this is probably feel She conditioned this video saying I hope this is not a fan to anybody. I hope this is you know, so I think this is out of the goodness of her heart.
But it's true. And for me, it was the.
Lunch room ladies when I was going like elementary school, and it would be like, you know, baby this, or baby, you need to put some such and such on there, or just the compliment and it ended with a baby, or it was a direction and instruction and baby was somewhere in there. I just felt like they knew me. They probably did. I was probably one of the bad ay, you know, grand babies or something.
But it touches a special place.
But I've grown up with it, and so I think I kind of don't give it the weight and the value, you know, the.
Way that it pierced this woman.
It probably it's so normal, it's so baked in the cake for me that it doesn't that I don't say it enough, But I felt this woman. And when you consider growing up in a household where you may not get that kind of a refrain, I'm just saying, I see how in the run of the mid day, when this is not your normal, and it happens and it pierces you so much so that it stops you in your track and you just have to interrogate, my goodness, why did this hit me the way that it hit me?
And why do I feel the way that I feel? And I think that there is a long history of the role that black women had played in all of our lives and in the life of a nation that that probably gives a better explanation of it. But in addition to having made me laugh, it also pierced me because it reminded me of an all too comfortable feeling that I get when I hear it not in disrespect, when I hear it not in condescension, but when I hear it in the true love that is I think
being communicated for someone. If this is not your every day I get how we can stop you and pause you in your tracks.
I said nothing deep, just saying.
Well, Tiff, I don't know if you I can just I'm like, y'all, okay, okay, Well I'm gonna I'm gonna be breached, so you can close this out breach And this is what I want to say. And you know, we talk about our arrival onto the shores of this country, and in my book manuscript, I believe it will stay in the book.
That will have a release date eventually that I'll share.
I talk about how the experiences of our ancestors reside in our dna, you know, for the good, the bad, the ugly, and the indifferent. And our ancestors who were stolen from the continent and brought here through the institution of slavery, participated in something called wet nursing. Wet nursing is when slave masters relied upon black women to breastfeed their white children. And so there is this inherent connection to our community. And we know that we in a
lot of ways shaped culture. There are so many things that you know, I believe when we just when we say things are such a discerning people, it hits different. I do think this video was funny and cute, and yeah, it was resonant, but also I would be lying to y'all if I didn't say there was something in me that was like, oh that kind of cringed and was
frustrated by it. I'm glad that she shared it. That's her truth, but also I'm like, sis, if you only knew the history behind this, and yeah, it does something different than you. It resonates right with your great great grandmother that might have been on the bosom of one of our great great great grandmothers.
Right.
So I was triggered by that, and I hate to, you know, I hate when I'm seeing something on social and be like, oh, so whack. You know, they didn't mean it like that, and I know she didn't. But I think that we would be remiss if we didn't take these opportunities to teach history when we have the opportunity to teach history, because they're literally trying to peel out these real, very tangible stories out of history books. So yeah, I want you to know about wet nursing.
I want y'all to look it up because it was a real thing, tiff issue. You have the floor man, Well, one, I was not offended by the video. I don't have the expectation that she would know the history. I think kudos to you, Angela, for encouraging her to know the history. My challenge with the video is one I felt like, Oh, this is sweet and cute and it's warm, and I'm happy that she had that experience. However, white women sit at the right hand of power. Angela brought up the
slave trade. White women were a lot.
They couldn't vote, they couldn't own property in terms of housing, but they could own a person. They could participate in the buying and selling of the enslaved. And so I think we have always had to deep so reach deep down in our humanity to be able to nurse their babies, like Angela said, and care for their children while ours
were kidnapped. But when you look at that through the lens of present day, I just think about the role white women play in society, and I believe this woman genuinely feels loved when a white when we call you know, white people, or call anybody. When when black women say baby it is a loving term of endearment. However, I would love for white women to offer something uh in the same value. I would love for white women to
constantly be the people who are calling the police on us. Disproportionately, there been forty one white women governors, not a single black women governor, and I bet if white women were willing to vote for a black women governor, we'd see some white women hold four point four percent of CEO positions black women point two percent. I bet there'd be more if there were white women to support them in
that endeavor. White women far outdue us in the wealth gap, and every equal payday, you hear white women all the time saying, you know, we earn eighty percent on the dollar, never acknowledging that that figure is very specific to white women. When it comes to black women, api women, indigenous women, those numbers are different. They are the loudest voices against affirmative action, despite being equal or even greater beneficiaries of
it every time. Mostly they choose race over gender. So if you like it when we call you baby, I want to tell you we would love it if we could call you ally wo. We definitely got that with social.
God name you know what for reminding us of what it means to have a platform like this, my God, to not just take what is the obvious, but to state what might not be the most obvious and use it as a call up, call out, a call up to action for folks. And I also still want.
To say that.
It's okay for those of us who received this, because I think both my co hosts received this originally and it's intended form, which was for joy and lacrity and and all the fun of it all, that it's okay to still share joy and fun fielled social media videos and that this, that and the other. Just know that if it gets called up on this show, that is has got to be packing something and be ready to rumble with the history and the facts and to know
that it's seated in something, uh something, something greater. But you're allowed to have joy to y'all, You're allowed to have it.
I would like to vote to name this episode call me Baby, I call you l I call me baby, Call you l.
I I like this just like if you killed it. Oh my god.
And off the top of the dome you talking about somebody that got bars tiff.
You are in the top five.
My ge like you killed that man speaking of killing it, Andrew, and you know, we want to make sure that we keep the table open. You think it's time for Q and A.
I do think it's time for some question and answer after we pay some bills.
I do, I do. I'm with you, all right, We're back. We're back. We're back. As you all know.
So we said from the very very very very beginning that this show was about inviting you into the conversation and centering the experienses that we have at the center fold of the conversation. And so we want to do that by tossing this on over just listener questions which we're going to hear directly from you.
Bless you, bless you, bringing you greetings from the Arc of Covenant Ministries. My name is Cecil Ward, and I'm posing this question to the Native Land Podcast. In a world where war is inevitable, our democracy is being threatened. We even had our own president, President Biden, tell us that this time when we vote, our freedom and our
democracy will be on the ballot. While still believing that the faith based community is still the last frontier of spirit led activism in the Earth, aside from knowing that, where do you see the faith based community faring in the midst of so much disarray, when it looks like everything is subject to change? How to we fear in the lineup?
Look?
I think I like this question for a few reasons. One, so often in the media you hear people talk about evangelicals. It's like the white is silent, you know. Somehow this group of very right wing extremists have co opted this term as though they represent it. And there was a study that came out a few years ago. I don't want to misquote it, but a majority of the folks who identify as evangelical, who the media references, do not actually go to a church. They are members of the
mega church, not a megachurch. And so when we talk about the role of faith in politics, I think there is a reckoning that has to happen in the Black church around some of the things that are preaching the pulpit. Not everyone is in church every Sunday. I don't go to church every Sunday. Haven't been to church in years.
I feel very comfortable with that decision. I think some of the policies that are pushed out from the pulpit don't always serve our communities, and a lot of people feel unwelcome with some of the messaging that happens in the Black church. So I appreciate his point, and I think there is certainly always a role for church to play.
It's been a home of organizing in our communities. But I do think we have to branch out, and I think instead of inviting folks to come into the church, the church might need to go into the community and make their efforts known there and make sure that the policies they're supporting not only you know, adhere to the teachings of the Bible that they represent, but make sure that people feel welcome in the way that I think they would say that Jesus would want people to feel welcome.
Piece and blessings boy R. J. Miller here, y'all love him the more and Iowa So my biggest thing is how do we get the Democratic Party to work for our black and brown brothers and sisters that are that are in our local area, you know, on a city or local level and on a state level. I would like to know what should we do to improve the
Democratic Party to make it work for us. Also, I think you guys should clarify what you guys mean by democracy for our viewers that may not be educated democracy because everybody didn't take a Civics classes and everybody go to.
College for I really love his question, and I'm sorry this is RJ, and r J. I want to just to commend you for sending it in. I'm so encouraged by this question because what he's really talking about is how to organize on every level and what does accountability
really really look like. I think that the moment that we believe that we're worthy enough to have a voice and to have a perspective and that our elected officials should push an agenda for us, that we have the power to persuade them, and then they must act because we put them there.
So whether you.
Voted for the person or not, once they are in office, they work for you because you are a taxpayer, full stop. If you voted for them, you have even more leverage.
The way that our.
System is structured right now, if you've helped to finance their campaign, you have even more leverage.
One day.
I hope that changes, but that is what it is right now. On every single level, there are laws that are past ordinances, executive actions, bills that are passed that impact our everyday lives. So I think the most important thing we do we can do is get familiar with what those things are. Get our top three to five things, and say, I know he brought up voter disenfranchisement. He brought up returning citizens and the importance of them being
able to have their say. What does it look like to ensure that folks always have access to the ballot box? What does it mean to democratize that access. When we talk about democracy, we're talking about a kind of government that serves the people. One person, one vote, right, doesn't mean that we make it harder to get to the ballot box. It doesn't mean that we try to silence you. We don't pick up the phone when you call. We do politics for the people. That means the people must
instruct the politics. Policy must be people led. We must be a compassionate kind of government. We haven't always been that way. It hasn't been that way. I don't feel comfortable saying we it has not always been that way. It now must change. And so I did it once, perform and do it again. Shout out to our good sister and friend Alicia Garza, who runs the Black Futures Lab.
They created the Black Census Project. Soon, I think by the summer, Black to the Future Action Fund will come out with the Black Agenda that will be operational on every single level, starting from the local, local, state, and federal government. So hopefully that helps our j We really appreciate your question.
All right, next question, Ay podcast.
My name is Brandon.
I am originally for the Bahamas, became to the US in two thousand and three for college, and recently a few years ago became even a citizen. Got tired of paying taxes and not being able to vote anyway, Today I heard some very troubling comments from Charlie Kirk where in which he called MLK about a guy and wanted to, you know, unravel the myth of him, as well as talking really harshly about the Civil Rights Act and how
it reshaped America in a negative way. And so I'm really curious some what your all your thoughts are on that, especially in your last episode relating back to Nikki's comments regarding America was never a racist country.
Who want to take that? I definitely don't want to talk about Charlie Kirk it would be one long be if I answered this question, So I talked that with somebody else.
Andrew you.
Well, I don't want to completely dismiss this brother, but his question I apreiate appreciate his question. And I think the point that he made without even asking is he was paying taxes without being represented here in the United States on the mainland. So I think that is an important point to make. And I look in terms of Charlie Kirk, this is somebody who says asks the nine
Things for the sole purpose of getting attention. So with the utmost respect to his brother for asking this question, I would just say we will not lend Native Land Pod to address his nonsense. I think it would be disrespectful to our listeners and our audience to even give any credence to what he said about doctor Martin Luther King Junior. I think most folks who are listening to this podcast know the role that doctor King played very well. And we don't have to ask the question is this
a racist country? That question has been asked and answered. We don't have to ask the question what impact the civil rights legislation had on the country. We are living examples of it, and in the words of doctor King, who said this in an interview with NBC News. I want to say, in nineteen sixty four, we have a long, long, long way to go.
You know, not giving any credence to mister Kirk, but simply saying we're not. We need to start making messiahs out of men, period. Because doctor King walked the earth like a man born into it by a mother, raised by a mother and a father, cultivated and shaped by a society, and took extraordinary steps to try to make life better where he stood, and we all got to
reap the benefits from it. And shouldn't we all, I think, except that charge, which is right where we are, to do our part, whatever that part may be, small, middle large, to try to make things better where we are. You did so question her by saying you were done paying taxes without the full rights of citizenship. Now you have that right, and now we charge you further to try to make this whole thing a little bit better for
those that come behind you. I think that's all any of us can be asked to do, and really all any of us should be should call ourselves to do, is to try to make it better for those who come behind us.
I love it.
Yeah, I do want to just acknowledge we are especially not going to get credence to misinformation on this show on the other side of the death of Dexter King. So the King family's been through so much, so we just want to send our condolences to the family, to Martin the third, to Bernice, to everyone in that family. We know that you all have been through so much, and we certainly honor the legacy of your true, wonderful father and thank you for sharing him with the world.
And we're not going to get into this nonsense. So we'll go to the next question. We got another question, yep, last one.
It's from Tallahassee, so pay attention Reverend doctor Gillim.
Hello Native Land Podcast. My name is Natalie Gamon and I am in Tallahassee, Florida. I just wanted to say that I love the space that you all provide for us. My question is what steps can the black community take to correct our self sabotage crabs in a bucket mentality that has been ingrained in us from slavery.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Natalie.
That's crib y'all, she said.
Tallahassee Florida, And maybe each one of us may want to just offer, you know, a quick suggestion, and mine simply would be what we can do to stop it is not participate in it. So if we all make the choice to just extract ourselves, when that conversation goes left in the crabs in the bucket, you're like, oh no, that ain't my lane. I'm stepping out, bagging up. That's a huge contribution. And by no means do I mean that as a throwaway suggestion. That's a very real suggestion.
It'll stop, it'll stop having life, It'll stop having breath when we start giving it life and stop giving it breath. Don't participate. That ain't my lane.
Yeah, I love it.
Too.
Shit, I got something on it. I got something on it. My quick one is I would hesitate at putting this crabs in a barrel mentality on us, and I would challenge the folks listening, remember who the enemy is. When we look at each other, at what you got, what you got, and what she got, and what I want what she got, always remember they got the most. It's enough for everybody power see nothing without demand. We should
be looking across the way, not at each other. And I will say, because I gave this testimony last week, I will say, as you all may know, we have a collective of women all in the space of media. I can't, I won't want to name everybody but Angela joy Sonny Brittany, Alicia Aaron, I'm gonna get in trouble, Jamel Latasha Brown. Yes, our crew is ten women all in media. We have never once looked at each other
as competition. And I will tell you all that having that kind of sister If you don't have that sisterhood, go out and create it, Go out and find people, because the thing is, when the ground drops from under you, you want to be able to look to your right, and so you're left and have sisters who, if nothing else by osmosis, have a collective energy to keep you from hitting rock bottom. And so don't buy into the mentality because if you think it exists, then it tends
to perpetuate. Find yourself, be the change, find yourself in community with each other, and be giving and a blessing to everybody around you.
What I was gonna say first is you know, one of our awesome Native Land Pod family members asked about democracy and today Andrew, watching you struggle through with this wisdom, teething, hold his mouth and everything he's in pain. I actually want to strip the podcast of democracy real quick to it. Hopefully you'll join me in this. We can be bullies
if we need to. Andrew, I think that you should consider waiting on sharing your really important story until next time because I'm watching you struggle.
Look how you owning your mouth right now? Let these women I don't want I don't want you to do it. Are you gonna be honestly, Andrew? I'm vetoing you.
I'm not mad at you.
I'm mad because it's pain, pill is kicking off.
It's too important. What you have to say is too important. So if you're good with it, I do think we should wait because I want people to hear your testimony and what you survived. And I just I know I have questions. I know Angela has questions. So yeah, how you feel about waiting.
I feel fine.
That just means that this full ninety minutes of an episode, they're gonna get a They're gonna get sixty minutes of it, yeah, which is.
What we said.
You know what, I bet they still get an hour and a half of it.
Because now the topics.
So here's my thing.
You know, it's been really hard to watch what's happening in Georgia with the Fulton County DA. We see Fannie willis being kind of really raked across the calls based upon her alleged personal decisions and relationship with the special prosecutor who she assigned to the Trump case. I believe we have sound. I would like to roll that sound.
Yeah, we should say there was no proof I think in the filing. I don't know if we said that initially hidden party. At this point there is no proof. And what we do need to see is the judge.
Is going to have a hearing on this case, it seems in early February, and then.
The judge is going to decide whether or not.
It is proved up. Here's my issue.
I feel like black folks, we know this, like have to be twice as good. We have to be able to hurdle the challenges of guilt in the court of public opinion. We have to, of course be ethically above reproach.
As attorneys, I know that as well as an attorney, there are all of these bars that we have a hurdle and This is such a massive distraction from the Trump case in all of the many civil and criminal allegations against him in courts throughout the land, both in state and federal court, and so to even have this, it's been such a massive distraction. It's so frustrating to watch this happen. But I don't think that we can
have something called native Lamb power. We talk about the even our kitchen table issues and not bring this up. So I know y'all got strong feelings, but this I just wanted to address it because to me, it feels like there's an elephant in the room, and I at least want us to talk about what it is. But we knew Sisters was gonna get dragged once she went after this man.
Yeah, that's the thing is like we knew she was going to face a heavy opposition. And my challenge with this is the media far too often plays into the right's hand and then they have to become reactive to it. This has nothing to do with the evidence in the case. And my challenge to the media landscape would be, every single time you talk about Fannie Willis's personal life, please immediately follow that up with the recording of Donald Trump
pressuring election officials to find an additional eleven thousand votes. Now, all of a sudden, the story has become about her personal life, and it just seems like it is. It seems like a red herring. It's irrelevant. It's fine if they want. That's something that you talk about in chambers or whichever. It doesn't take away from the crime that he is accused of committing in the state of Georgia, a state that is at the center of so many elections even this year, a state that's on the verge
of becoming purple. Like that is the more interesting conversation. That's the more fruitful conversation that will be informative to voters, not what she was doing personally with a member on her team. I find the entire thing distasteful, and as y'all know, I didn't even want to talk about it because I felt like we were, you know, following following their red hearing. So I'm ready for everybody to to move on off this and keep the focus where it needs to be.
I mean, this triggers me at a whole new level where, for a lot of reasons and reasons that I'm acquiesced to the advice of my colleagues, and so we'll share more and more of my and unpacked more and more of my own story, you know, in the coming weeks. But can somebody point to aside from there being no evidence inside this filing by the Trump folks, can somebody point me to the evidence in this reco case that has been falsified by Fining or by any member of
her team. Can somebody underscore for me where the lie is inside the charges that have been bought? The evidence has been out, a whole cloth made up and furtherance of the charges that they've levied against this man. This woman has been, along with her team, a more than superior your prosecutor as it relates to these charges. And she knew she would have to be, she along with her team, would have to be because she was bringing a former president of the United States of America to account.
You don't hear the Trump lawyers writing memos and asking for special hearings on any of the merits of any of this. And I know that it can be frustrating for so many of us who say, we know off jump that we've got to be ten times as better and ten times as this and this is that we all, Yes, it's already baked in, but at some level do we ever get to be measured for the job that we're actually up for?
Do we ever?
Where when's the critique come down on the thing that I'm applying for, or and proportionality to that thing that I'm applying for, or applying my skill set toward, start undoing my credentials that then no longer stand in furtherance to the job that I'm doing. We're in here, does any of that exist at all? This is simply how can we come at this woman, degrade this woman, embarrass this woman, make her carry shame so that we don't have to pay attention to that big, fat ass elephant in.
The middle of the room. I'm sorry for the y'all know who get the.
Apology, man, But instead of talking about the big thing sitting dass center in the room and the weight around the room is crashing in on it all the walls, Let's talk about that tree outside across the street down the way dropping some fruit that might then drop an acorn that might roll down the hill and possibly end up on the court lawn. Let's talk about that distraction, and so God knows. I I know where we have to take all of.
This For truth.
I am sure that the attorney, her staff team, all those folks are carrying a heavier weight today than they were yesterday because of a lot of this. But I truly hope that to the extent that we address this in the future, that we're coming at it to hopefully shed a different type of light on it, and not to pile on to the gossip arena that these folks are kicking up around this thing. The sides show that they want us to be paying attention to.
Rather the.
Crazy, unprecedented stuff that it's in its proper place being litigated in a court of law. And I'm even embarrassed to hear that a judge has to hold a hearing taking up the court's time dealing with something like this when in actuality it bears no weight so far as any of us can see, on the actual proceedings itself. I would show me the weight that it is bearing on that and if there is a if there is a charge to be bought before the Georgia Bar, then
bring it there. But so far as I'm concerned, I don't, I don't see it. I think this is this is only intended to distract, and God knows, I hope they all keep their heads up and do the job that they're there to do with no bias on any side of it, no bias on any side of it, except with a bias toward the law.
Do that. I wish that.
I wish that the same had been done in my court case, that the bias had been toward the law and not around an individual, whether you like them you hate them, whether you admire their politics or you don't, whether because of the color of their skin you think that they are prone to criminal or whether they've actually done something criminal.
And that's the thing too, That's what I wish.
That's what I wish this thing was about.
That's the thing too though, Right like when I take a step back, if I were in the courtroom with the defendant, let's take Donald Trump out of it, this is absolutely something that would come up, So that part is not the distraction. Like you, you do have to demonstrate any potential bias that could come up in a case. You should bring that up. I think what is frustrating
to me as a lawyer. I remember being in law school and prosecute prosecuting prosecutors' offices trying to petition black law students to become prosecutors.
They had a really hard.
Time getting us to stand on that side of the law because we don't want to be with the man. We have family members who've had evidence planning on them, tampered evidence, you taken the money from a case, and.
Right, we know that.
And so now there are there's the face of many black women prosecutors, Kamala Harris, Kim Fox, Marilyn Moseby, and most of them have been the subject of this kind of targeting. That's exactly why we don't want to go do this. So I understand the side of it where it's like, yes, this would come up in any course case like this is this is something that would be challenged if she appointed this man because of a personal relationship, in any personal priety. I'm saying, if impropriety, then then
that does come up. And to your point, Andrew, yes, it also does go to the bar. But I want us to be very aware of the fact, and we're all clear about the fact that when black people, black women choose to become prosecutors, what they have to deal with the allegations lodged against them, the ways in which they have to defend their character, their integrity, and their ability to stand in the court of law as a prosecutor. It's just it's it's it is remarkable, it really really.
I think made a really good point Angela about the role of prosecutors, because that's something that gets sweeped over as well. One Black people need to pursue these positions because prosecutors decide what charges will be brought, if any charges will be brought, So you do serve a role there. And again I have to say the media played a role, a huge role in who gets to be prosecutors as well.
When for the first time, when media started paying outside attention to police brutality, that is when people paid attention to who prosecutors were. When they started paying attention to that, then you saw the election of Kim Fox in Illinois, you saw the election of Marilyn Moseby in Baltimore. You saw the election of multiple prosecutors of color across the country. So just keep in mind these are elected positions. People run to be DA's all over the country. This is
an area where you have a role in democracy. This is an area where you can say, this is what I want my government to look like. And prosecutors play an outsized role in a very unforgiving criminal justice system when it comes to black and brown folks. So that's all I.
Got to say.
I've also heard rumors, and I've totally blown the gasket because I'm past my pain ads and my mouth is
given to me real problems at the moment. But i just have to say, I've heard rumors on rumors on rumors of not just you know, prosecutors in my area and who they relate to, and who they socialize with and who they take trips with, and it's so well known, you know, in these circles, and I've never in a legitimate environment her I think back to again, I will deepen into my own story at the right time for
myself and for our listeners. But I'm looking at the local newspapers showing clips of me vacationing with a guy I'll just say, for the sake of this conversation, Sean, who I've known and interned with my sophomore year in high school and have known ever since. At his wedding, the birth of his kids, so on and so forth pictures of he and I being on vacation, as if
it is somehow nefarious and untoward. Yet colleagues who sat on the same council who were on vacation with others, people who did business to the tune of millions and millions of dollars with the city government, not a mention of them, not a photograph. I'm not a mention out of anything. So the fact that when we do something that there's got to be something untoward and nefarious associated with it, and when they're doing it, they're just living,
they're just existing, they're just they're upright and wholesome. And I just the double standard that exists there between the type of scrutiny between what we do that is commonplace, that is every day, that is normal for them, that we've got to justify and explain and explain a way and justify and answer questions about when we're just paying our own way, maybe treating this friend to a lunch,
no one ever interrogates their affordability. And by the way, if I'm not mistaken, this question has to do with a flight that he may have bought for. Assumes somebody he was dating and that person he's dating happens to be in a turn. So she trumped up this whole excuse, pardon the pun, but Trump made up this whole case against Trump so she could get a free flight paid for by the government, a flight she could have bought herself.
I mean, I just it's incredible to me the Lenks that we have to go to prove that we are just living an everyday experience similar to the ones that they have every day.
Yeah, we don't have to set aside forty five minutes for Andrew's testimony because he has so much and say about it, and I have a lot of questions about it. I know a little bit about it. But Andrew, I mean seriously, I have to tell you, people have no idea what you went through. So I'm very much looking forward to you sharing that part of your story because I think it highlights the corrupt nature of what can
happen when power is in the wrong hands. So thank you for giving us a teaser there, a little tidbit, But I'm very much looking forward to that in the coming weeks. All Right, when we come back, we're going to do a call to action, but we gotta pay some bills first. So don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Welcome back, everybody. It is now time for us to do our call to action. As you know, every week we will have a call to action for our native
land pod family. So this week, kicking off the call to action, I am going to kick it to my sister, who I just want to say this. She might get mad at me for saying it, but she's wearing her hair big today and I think it looks so beautiful when she lets her hair just dry and it looks big and beautiful and curly and bouncy and healthy. Her cousin Miya does my hair too, So shout out to Mia Angela. What's your call to action? Moisturize the hair, condition the hair.
I'm gonna I told you that I'm marr. We didn't actually play his sound, but the New Hampshire GOP. I think he's the vice chair. Oh yes, the dreadlocks and started about right here. And I told Tip this was how my ISSH was gonna look when I leave. So let me just show y'all.
Look, I'm pretty Darren close.
But you know, my call to action is one that I'm so excited about because you know, a lot of times people want to call you out, but the people who really love you, and I think the listenership that we're beginning to build, want to call us in. And sometimes corrective action can be loving. So there was a there's some folks in the indigenous community who reached out last week and they were worried about filling a race with the pod, and I asked them if they'd heard
some of our explanations. Some of them I know we're going to release. We have about fifteen minutes of a conversation where we talked about what native lamp pod means to us.
And so my first call to action to all.
Of you is to think about what Native lamppod means to you, what it means to have a place where you can be home, even if it is virtual for an hour or so or so emphasis on or so every week. And then the second thing I would do is, even when you're in conflict with someone, I would like for you to take a step back, think about what it means to communicate your position outside of the lane of fear and talk to them from your real perspective.
You might be afraid of being a race, because that's all you've ever seen as an individual or as a person. But what if that wasn't their intent, what if their desire, their deepest desire, our deepest desire is for you to feel seen and heard, which is indeed the case.
And so shout out to the community who.
Said, we don't necessarily feel seen and heard. And here are some of the ways that you can invite us in make sure that we have a seat at the table because our seat was stolen when we just offer a seat to others. I'm so grateful for that. You
will hear more about that. It will be a surprise for next week from some more of that conversation and in what we decided as a collective, as a coalition for how we can ensure Indigenous folks Indian Country and every other BIPOC community member has a seat at the table and always feels welcome home here.
So that's my call to action. I love that. I love, love love that call to action. As y'all know, Andrew had surgery and is uh dealing poor poor baby. We're gonna call I think we should call Andrew baby. Every e do it?
Like, Yes, that's the whole thing about that too. We can dive deep boy.
Yes, yes, oh yeah, we could get into Andrew because we talked politics all the time, and my call to action has nothing to do with politics. I was going to jump in and get my call to action and let you close out the show, but I want to make sure you feel okay to do that. Okay, So my call to action has nothing to do with politics, and I'll be really quick. My call to action is,
please adopt, don't shop. If you know me, you know I love dogs and I see people go to breeders all the time and it just breaks my heart because pitbulls are my absolute favorite breed. They're the nicest, sweetest dogs. Don't believe the hype, and tens of thousands are euthanized every month in shelters, and so I say, if you want to welcome pet into your home, please visit your local animal shelter. They are amazing dogs there. You don't
have to go to a breeder. If you don't want to go to a shelter, at least go to a rescue program if you're looking for a specific breed. But dogs are commitments. I mean, these are like two year old toddlers who never grow up and it is a twelve to fifteen year commitment to care for your fur babies, so please adopt, don't shop. That's my call to ask likes to thank you.
Mine is very personal this week, y'all, which is get your wisdom teeth pulled before you end up forties.
Yeah, use that from its Yes, go to the dentist, Go to the dentists. Yeah.
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