Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode nine of Native Lampod where we break down all that's happening in politics with a little bit of culture spread in there. We're your hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rai and I'm Andrew Gellam celebrating what, ladies, the beginning of Women's
History Month. Welcome home everybody. In fact, this is such a special Women's History month for us to be talking in person because we've got a pretty awesome history maker sitting right between us.
Three history makers.
Well but but there's something to be new said y'all. You may have heard. Let me just say this first and parton more. Tiffany ain't going nowhere, She's right here. This is Native Pod Family. Ain't giving that kind of way. I don't want nobody rumoring about the wrong stuff. Our co host, the Tiffany Cross, is about to launch out
on a new endeavor. Film producer and fam you rattler, I was gonna say, and veteran journalist our friend Tiffany Cross are set to launch a cross like what you did there generations with iHeart Podcast debuting March the twelfth, and the reason why this is so important to mention during Women's His Room because tell us about it. Tip, but you're gonna be talking across generation and ways to further love on, educate, share knowledge and wisdom experientially across generations.
Tell us about the Yeah.
Well, first of all, thank you to my co hosts for the shout out and giving me this time to talk about it. I am not going anywhere. We've made this announcement on Instagram and across all the socials and people are like you're leaving natively and by like, no, this is my family. So we will continue to talk aboutics here every week on across generations. You will not
hear anything about politics at all. This is where I'm talking to It's I'm convening a conversation of black women, a woman who's old enough to be my mother, young enough to be my daughter, and we'll talk about a singular topic. So we might talk about sex and how our attitudes has changed about sex because somebody in their
sixties or seventies has a different relationship with sex. Somebody in their twenties could be having sex with a few people, you know, maybe at the same time, it might, it might be having it might, but it's new for it's changed for them, you know. And even if they've been that way their whole life, the way we look at it as a society has changed. And so I will tell y'all, I'm telling all my business. I am getting into my personal life. I'm not just the interviewer, the moderator.
It is a conversation, and so we'll talk about, you know, sex, but it could be like what do you wish you know about money in your twenties? It could be you know, what if you never had kids, you know, with the twenty something who doesn't want kids, the seventy year old whose whole life was about, you know, being a wife and mother. So this is a different table to say welcome home, y'all too. It is about black women. It's
not exclusively four black women. Black women, as you all know, have always been oracles and people have always pulled up a seat to our table to hear what we have to say. We've raised people's kids who don't look like us. So I believe there's magic that happens when we come together to talk about this. So I invite you all to join me. Our first guest is Dion Warwick, which I'm really excited about. We have chef Carla Hall, but it's not really celebrity driven, you know, like you all
know your grandmothers. When you sit at that table and gain that wisdom, they are celebrities in our minds. I'd love the pictures of you, Angela, with your mom and grandmother and just seeing like the commonality and how you all look and how beautiful that is, so you can fully appreciate what it means when we all come together and just the magic that exists. So thank you, guys.
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This would be with iHeart, and I just want to give a special shout out because well everybody on this podcast knows personally and loves Will Packers. He he does not just talk to talk, He walks the walk. He is for us black women said at the center of his success, and he has always been a writer, a member of Alpha Fai, Alpha Attorney Incorporated. I know that Alpha will want me to say that, and the Rattles would want me to revide though that he's a family
you guy. So when my my MSNBC show was canceled, he was the first person to email me to say, Will Packer Productions would love to be in business with Tiffany Cross. So shout out to Will.
I love that, I love that, and I love you lifting up those stories. Because when you are perceived as as as as I don't know, not touchable right by polite society, Yeah, it matters who reaches in first to extend a hand. The other thing that I'm excited about about your your upcoming endeavor is oftentimes we see our mothers sort of just as the mother in the maternal role and what that does in relation to us as their child. But our mothers had lives, Yes, they did things.
They were women before, and they still have dreams and ambitions and hopes, and so I'm I'm gonna look forward to sort of the intergenerational engagement that we get to see these women as whole individual people. So y'all make sure you download and subscribe.
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And y'all see Angela. Angela does not know this. I've been volunteering her for everything I'm doing. We're hosting dinners all, I'm like, yes, Angela and I there, Yes, Angela Wall introduced me. There, Angela walks a car. So the first time that she's gonna be.
She's your sister. She's make sure.
Y'all download this show and you rate and review her show just like you should do for our which.
Is exactly where I'm going in one second, which is to then say, Angela and Tiff and I had a conversation after last week's episode where, you know, we got some feedback from some of our viewers that we want to be careful to make sure in answering our viewer questions that we don't in any way come off as overbearing or intimidating or in any way dismissive of of
the questioners. And I got to tell you, all three of us were just sort of set aback, obviously welcoming of the feedback, but but would hate to believe that and would hate to in any way portray a dismissal of any of our listeners questions that we want to create here the kind of culture where you are invited in, you are family, and families don't always agree, so let's put that out there. But we also want you to know that this show can't be this show without you.
It's your show.
It's your show. Yeah, and so we're going to continue to try to you know, self evaluate and to make sure that we course correct. And if we have given any listener out there, and certainly any questioner up to this day, the impression that we've sort of shot past your question and done our own thing, just charge it to our head and not to our heart. We're consuming news and information, you know, almost feels like twenty four to seven, and sometimes it is that we're responding to
the to the thing the cable person said. But that may right, you know, it implicated them, and so your question kind of got bought into a larger response.
Right.
Sometimes even among us, like we disagree, we have a nuanced point, and so the three of us can talk to each other very passionately because we know there's love there. We've known each other for decades and that extends to the viewer sometimes, and so we we're family and the viewers are family, and we so appreciate your feedback, your questions. Keep sending them. And even if y'all are upset about something like this time, like we hear we are family.
Welcome home, y'all, And just like family has disagreement, so do we, and we never intend to dismiss your perspective. And sometimes you know, y'all, y'all get in our dms and on those videos are like maybe mad about something we said, and that's what family.
But you know what, that's exactly the point. I love that people felt so comfortable reaching out dming directly saying, hey, I love the show, but this thing hit me this way, and keep doing that, because that's also what responsible family does for each other. We'll get you on the chin, and we got to do it in front of everybody, right, So let me get into what we're going to be talking about today. I just wanted to make sure the hosts and I wanted to make sure that we covered
those things and the words of Whitney Houston. We've got something in common, Nikki Haley and Bernie Sanders have something in common. Super Tuesday arrived and went. Biden will deliver his State of the Union address today if you're listening on Thursday, the day this episode drops, will go over
what we want to hear from him. Last week, we teased that we were going to be pulling back some of the layers of the case involving Marilyn Moseby, former state prosecutor there in Baltimore, and we're going to do that today, so you don't want to miss one single word of what we've got to say about her particular case and our ask for you to get involved, and of course in politics everywhere, we're gonna be talking about
somebody who has an interesting philosophy on paying taxes. And if you want to know which celebrity this is and what that rationale is, you stay tuned, and of course we'll wrap up this episode with your listener questions, our listener questions, and we'll make our charge to each of you for this week, So stay tuned, all right, y'all? So Super Tuesday it came and went, and I'm just curious to know were there any surprises?
You know? It's so funny.
Yes, in the rundown you said, and Nikki Haley and Bernie Sanders had some consts. Don't know, I know, but it took me like the full thirty seconds because I was like, no, what is it.
I think, Bernie Sander this is running and I'm like, oh, Vermont, see what you did there?
Do you want to give it away, I teed you up.
All right. So Super Tuesday, of course, whole bunch of states went to vote, and Nicki Haley, who has pledged, of course, to stay into the race up until Super Tuesday, and we are now past that point. Uh. She picked up one stage, y'all. She picked up a whole state where she beat the former president. That's a big deal as far as I know, to have Republicans in the state of Vermont, all of them go out or as
many of them as could vote. Uh, and they chose Nicki Haley as their choice for the Republican nomination.
Well, she also won the territory while Washington DC as well.
That's true. Yeah, unfortunately Washington d C.
Does you know, Yeah, listen, I don't think there's any major surprise here. I think Nicki Haley has been on the stump saying a lot of things about Donald Trump. I will not clutch my pearls the day that she is on stage endorsing Donald Trump. Republicans have a tendency to not fall in love, but fall in line. She served in his first administration. We haven't seen any new
evidence of how terrible Donald Trump is. He was just as awful in twenty sixteen when she agreed to serve in that administration as he is in twenty twenty four. So I'm just I pay her no attention. I pay the whole right wing that it's not the Republican Party anymore. As you've said many times, Andrew, they have all morphed into the Maga cult. And she is a member. Despite her saying he'll have to earn her votes, she is a member. But I think we have a sound of her dropping out of their race.
Yeah, because she won a race and dropped out.
Yeah, let's play the sound of Nikki Haley getting out of the race for president rather suspending her campaign.
The time has now come to suspend my campaign. I said I wanted Americans to have their voice heard.
I have done that.
I have no regrets, and although I will no longer be a candidate, I will not stop using my voice for the things I believe in. In all likelihood, Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee when our party convention meets in July. I congratulate him and wish him well. I wish anyone well who would be America's president. Our country is too precious to let our differences divide us. I have always been a conservative Republican and always supported
the Republican nominee. But on this question, as she did on so many others, Margaret Thatcher provided some good advice when she said, quote, never just follow the crowd, always make up your own mind.
Yeah. So, Tiffanangel, I'm really curious to know whether or not you think this is gonna be Niki playing more gamesmanship. Yes, basically trying to be courted, trying to be offered something, maybe the the maybe not. I'm not real sure, but she certainly didn't. I think with that quote go the more principled route around this. It was much more of a transactional kind of You're gonna need to come talk to me, bruh before I give you my support.
Yeah, I got to endorse them. Sorry, I wish no, she's gonna endorse the So. I think the other big two big shockers about Super Tuesday were the exit pole that we saw where Nicki Haley supporters said that they would not vote for Donald Trump in the fall.
I think that we talk about all the time. Polls is always too too early to tell, too early to call.
I think it's the same thing there, Like, you should not expect that Nicki Haley is Nicki Haley supporters aren't going to follow Nicki Haley once she endorses Donald Trump, they will fall in line. I think the other thing that was kind of interesting, and it's something that we never really talk about in primary season is American Samoa, where Jason Palmer beat Joe Biden.
And thousand votes.
Totally yeah, not a whole lot of there.
There was a caucus in American Samoa, and I have never heard of Jason Palmer in my life, So I wish I could give you all.
That political breakdown.
But shouts out to you, Jason is going to be able to say, for the rest of his life, I be Joe Biden city president for the nomination.
He happy to you. Didn't pit five hundred thousand dollars of his own money into that race. That's all I know about him too. Shout out to you, Jason, that's right, job, you did something. You made history.
Well, there were some other shockers if we were not particularly surprised by Joe Biden and Donald Trump pretty much essentially wrapping up the nomination fight for both the Democrats and the Republicans. And for those of you all who are out there advocating for a third party, I feel you, I hear you. I always keep going back to this Ross Perot, who had more money than God, got out there, put it all in there, and it didn't even make a dent except to help help one party or another
to ultimately win. So I'm not saying there's no hope. I'm just simply saying we got to be realistic in our approach and much more strategic about the launcher of a third party if we were to go that direction. But I will tell you North Carolina, and before I even just zero in on North Carolina, the South period overwhelmingly rewarded Donald Trump. I mean the numbers there, Nickie Haley couldn't even break respectable in many of these Southern states.
And the upcoming few races, many of them are going to be focused on the South. I don't know if they're trying to communicate something to us y'all that we don't already know, but they certainly doubled down on Donald Trump. But there was this particular race in North Carolina of the lieutenant governor who was elevated from lieutenant governor to the Republican nominee for governor of the great state of
North Carolina. Y'all, I'd love for you to hear what Donald Trump has to say about him, and then I'd love for us to hear what he has to say about us.
This is Martin Luther King on steroids. Okay, Now, I told that. I told that. I told that to Mark. I said, I think you're better than Martin Luther King. I think you are Martin Luther King times two.
Y'all.
You don't need to talk about it.
Yeah, but I want to hear from Mark Robinson because I expect asinine, silly comments like that from Donald Trump. I want to hear from the black man that he happens to be.
So then let's put it. Let's just bookmark this for everybody. Donald Trump thinks that this dude, Mark Robinson is the second coming of Martin Luther King, except two times his value. Now, Mark, what do y'all have? What are you saying to us as you try to compete for this gubernatorial slot there in North Carolina?
There are some people that were talking about reparations in this country. They wanted reparations, and I remember I made this particular liberal so angry at me because I told him right to their face, nobody owes you anything for slavery. If you want to tell the truth about it, it is you who owes.
It's you who owes.
Why do you owe because somebody in those fields took stripes for you, somebody after those fields were ended and slavery was ended, somebody had to walk through Jim.
Crow for you.
And he trying to send us back to Jim Crow. I guess, huh.
I mean. The brother went on to say, basically, don't nobody owe you nothing. You you know, we've had our rights, we got our freedom. Now go do great things. Go do great things.
I think it's important just to let the viewers know a little bit about Mark Robinson. So he's fifty five years old. He fancies himself as a conservative. His rise to fame was really these very inflammatory things that he would say on social media. So when we say we've elected the Ugly Comments section to the highest office of the land with Donald Trump, this is his offspring. He and his wife have been together for quite some time.
She had an abortion before they were married, which he has come out and said he deeply regrets, which has made him a staunch anti choice advocate. He is very anti LGBTQ. That is a big part of his platform. He says the hateful things out loud. This is not somebody who has any interest in appealing to black voters. He has an interest in appealing to white voters who can feel good about themselves for voting for someone like this and be able to simultaneously say they're not racist.
Because if this black man is saying these racist things, and how bad can I be. I think this is a cartoonish caricature of what Donald Trump would like to put out there before the people. To say something so disparaging about doctor King. That's not something that's seeing thinking, thoughtful people here and take seriously. It's meant to be a clippable SoundBite. The danger is that he won the primary and that he will be the head of a state within the United States with real executive power and
can enact policy. And as we see increasingly the battle between state government and federal government, that is something for us all to be deeply concerned about. I just want to add, you talked about the Southern States. I am you know. It was raised in the South, and we always assume that Southern states are read. The South is only read until it ain't. And we have to remember that there are pockets throughout the South with very progressive
leadership and views. We've talked about, including North Carolina, and including North Carolina.
It's a primary right now, he doesn't have to win.
Charlotte is a progressive area in Mississippi, Jackson is a progressive area in Alabama, Birmingham, and there are all other pockets. When we think to think about rural America, we think of the South, even though the rural American be everywhere but rule in the South. They're not just white conservative voters in rural America. There are black people, brown people who live in rural Southern areas who have the ability
to change what the political South looks like. And I think instead of assuming these things happen, we need to empower those people. And if this buffoon is somebody who can scare people into organizing and activating that Southern Bible Belt hemisphere into being more politically impassioned despite systems in place that prevent them from getting to the ballot box, I'd love to see us put our resources there.
But you said it, I think it matters that this guy now is the touchelor head of Republicans in North Carolina. He won out against a more status quote traditional Republican model, and so it does beg the question, Angela, what are
Republicans seeing? What are they feeling when they decide to go in and elect then erect to higher office, higher position, higher authority, the voice of Republicans in that state being anti Semitic, anti LGBT in many ways, in my opinion, listening to them anti blacks their figurehead as their voice, especially when you consider the fact that North Carolina is a state than in presidential politics has come practically up to the line of of of of giving their electoral votes to Democrats.
Didn't didn't.
I feel Barack won it once the first time, and then we lost the second time.
So I just want to say this is offer this caveat to your mother and your mother in law that he did not throw this Republican question to me because I'm a Republican.
I did not.
Y'all, Well, we just got to clarify because some folks either. But I think you know what's more troubling to me than the fact that they go up to the line or sometimes cross the line or don't cross the line and vote blue.
Is that there are.
Republican folks who are black folks in this day and age who will exchange kind of like exchange these crazy remarks to make news, to create space for themselves on the side of an aisle where the line is much shorter. I'll never forget Gary Flowers talking about how people sometimes will go and take the shorter line because they can see their rise to power quicker. That is not new Historically.
Those are the same folks who negotiated with the Dutch and the Portuguese and the British to sell us into slavery. And I'm not saying that there are not oppressive mindsets, mentalities, and even policies on the democratic, liberal and progressive sides
of the aisle. What I am saying is that if you're telling me that the folks who were actually paid when slavery ended, which was the slave owners, deserve even more and that their offspring deserve even more, and that we should be the people who are paying that, I don't have nothing to say to you. You're like, not only are you engaging in very dangerous rhetoric, you are the reason in your ancestors are the reason we're here.
Well, I'll just say this, if you are educated in the state of Florida right now into its current policies, you might actually believe that's the overwhelming majority.
Under the Santus curriculum.
Of slaves of enslaved people were paid. This is this is what lawmakers and our state are saying.
We don't know what that I don't but.
Doesn't matter what he believes. This platform is the proliferation of this kind of stuff, and it's dangerous and it's really why we wanted to spend just a couple of moments, not just on the presidential but y'all, we've got to look closely at who we are electing in our states.
Will you get elected when you sit at home?
You know? That's that's the thing.
It's like, if you don't show up, you are saying to these folks, your vote matters more than mine, your voice matters more than mine. The things that you at, the policies that you push an advocate.
For, matter more than me.
And then you sit around and say, now, why won't this change this? Why don't full of politics? It is this dangerous cycle we can never get out of. If you say, well, I don't see myself represented, they're pharmacy at home, Well you don't see yourself represented.
Therefore, now what?
But I just want to say that is true. I wholeheartedly agree with everything, but I also want to acknowledge the humanity of people who do stay at home, because I understand when you are under an oppressive system where you can barely pay your rent or mortgage, where you don't know how to feed your family, and for five election cycles, somebody has been telling you it will change. Somebody's gonna come through and save you. Something is going
to happen where the economy will get better for you. Specifically, these dilapidated schools are going to start to serve your children and you don't see it. I'm not admonishing you. I understand that perspective. And we have to start looking at black people as black people, not as black voters. You're not a commodity in this system. So I would invite people to feel that way, or if you have somebody in your family who feels that way, something to share with them is you don't have to believe in
the system. Believe in yourself. And what does this here democracy look like if you are the architect of it, and I think that speaks to your point Andrew about us being lacking in imagination. Sometimes it's they have captured our imagination and said, this is the only construct you can live in. What if we empowered ourselves?
Right?
I just want to say, she come a long way since this morning.
I love it.
No, I still feel the same this morning. I well, just for our listeners because they know we're talking about that. We have talked about Angela and I disagree on black people who support Trump. And I'm not saying we shouldn't talk to those people, but I think what I care about it would it would never occur to me to say, Angela, this is what you should care about. You know, like
you're saying, no, we have to care about them. Angela cares about this is why the comments honestly frustrate me so much sometimes because Angela I disagree on this, and so when I hear people saying or read people saying things about Angela's position, I'm like, if y'all only knew Angela actually gives a shit about your humanity. She is saying I care about you enough. I want to engage you. I want to talk to you. I want to bring you along and show you why Trump is a problem.
My position is I don't some people don't have to get left behind. I'm not trying to convince the slave you still a slave. If that's what you believe, then you got to stay there. My audience is somewhere else. Angela and I and Andrew we were and we were saying, this should be the podcast. We have a camera here because Angela will say no, But you have to care about those people like you have to. When I'm saying, that is not who I'm talking to. Those aren't people trying to.
Focus.
But but you speak to every man in a different way, Like Angela is like, impassioned about it, and I'm like, yeah, if they get something, great, I hope so. But that's just not who I'm speaking to. But I think this is such an interesting discussion because there are so many out people out there who feel how I feel, or feel how you feel, and I just I think the
nuanced discussion. This is why Caple News drives me nuts, because this is a more intellectual, nuanced discussion than putting Angela on with somebody who is like this guy Mark.
Round that I agree with Yeah, but I do think you know, to the point of this conversation, it felt what you just said felt very human. It felt like I don't I'm maybe I'm not gonna speak to the person who's saying if it I'm voting for Trump, they probably really aren't. Some of them are really gonna stay
at home. And you talk to the folks who would stay at home, And but what I'm saying is the person who's saying they're voting for Trump because they saw something different or they heard that talked about enough, or is that same person it's the same person who says they stay at home because they're What they're saying is I just haven't seen where this party's delivered for me, so I'm gonna I gotta try something different, even if that means try something different. Is voting for this nut
or staying at home? To me, it's it's no different because they're both a vote to.
In democracy.
I see the different. I see a big difference between those two factions of people. And you said this. I think you were saying Charlot said this, but I heard it from from you when you said it's not always a battle between Trump and Biden. It's a battle between Biden and the couch. To me, I can talk to the person who feels distant. Well, thank you Charlemagne for for that, because I think that is a legitimate thing
to point out. That is my concern. That person. I can talk to somebody like this guy or follower of his who feels like, yes, they're speaking to me. I can take all of my frustrations and go to the oppressor side and adopt them because they will save me. They might not save the greater good, but they will be so grateful for my black ass walking across the aisle to them that they will bestow upon me some sort of favor. Those people, I don't. I don't care if I could.
Talk to this lieutenant governor either those people you're talking to, I don't.
I think I think there's a different I think that there's someone who says, you know what, I remember feeling relief under Trump doesn't mean they didn't get relief under Biden, but Biden didn't tell them about Okay, that's fair, right. I think that there's somebody in there who's saying, I'm seeing jobs wane in my community, and everybody's you know, so frustrated about it, and Donald Trump said he was gonna close the borders.
I'm not supporting his position. I'm just saying what their frustration is. I want.
I want a president who's going to make sure that it's America first.
Not knowing only Google America.
But you know what I'm saying, Like I can understand that I don't hear the people who I'm like, oh, it's not the it's not the And I'm trying not to use terms that are mean or or or put downs, as Miss Irene Lindsay, my second grade teacher would say, but like I don't want to call them a coon.
Or mental show, even though something.
Even though sometimes I feel that way, but some of the people who are raising this are not them. They're talking about economic relief, they're talking about the migrant crisis. They're talking about Maybe some of them might be pro.
Life, I don't know, but like anti choice, I.
Agree with that too, But I'm saying they might see I'm church, I'm Jesus all day, So you can't have an abortion, even if I gave myself grace for having one three years ago. I'm saying there's some there's some in between there's some nuance there, and I don't want to throw everyone out at the same time.
Everybody a mind.
I both have had a really I think it was very important conversation, were we not. You were in it this morning as well. I'm not sure how this is. I mean, my position on this is very I think black people are pragmatic voters at the end of the day, at the beginning to day period what's up. And I said it before on this podcast that we cannot deconstruct four hundred years of institute more than that, by the way,
but certainly the enslavement of our people. But we can't replace all of the systems and structures that have been designed to hold up to lift up white supremacy in this country with one administration, even a two or three or four. We can obviously make strides toward it. And to that end, y'all, I think it takes us Angela. You made the comment that we're hearing the soundbites that Donald Trump speaks being paraded back by some of these
very people that we're talking about. Because he says it, he takes responding, he takes credit for and that takes us to this next conversation after the break, which is going to be about what we want to hear from vice from the President of the United States, Joe Biden as he comes to the nation and what I think is one of the most important platforms that he gets where he gets to update the country on the true
state of the nation. So, like we said, the State of the Union is the opportunity for the president to just lay it out, what have you done, and what do you want to do and why should we basically bring you back? But it is also an opportunity if you slick and sly and clever enough to get some jabs in there if you need to end it was really, in my opinion, y'all, nobody better than this. Let's hear this clip and see if it moves you in any way, everybody,
I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda I.
Know, because I won both of them.
Shade listen. So that was Notorious Obama, not to be confused with Notorious Big And for those of you who are listening as podcasts I guess are designed for that purpose, you may not have caught that all. But basically that was Barack Obama saying it the state of the Union.
Look I've got no more racist to run, And of course the sly asked Republicans respond with cheers and applause and of oblation that he can't run again, and of course the president, his clever slyway, responds, I know this because I won both my elections, which was again I thought, a cute you know who drop of the mic moment. But but I do think there is something about both in the substance. I won't put it past Joe that.
It might not be like this, but maybe he'll do his own way, you know.
I think, because we all traffic in this, this is what we do, that we are watching the State of the Union. I would be curious to see the ratings for the past couple of States of the Unions. That I've been better prepared, I would have seen that most Americans are not sitting around their television's watching this. There are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time.
Angelo's is gonna look up those numbers. I'm sure there are thousands of things screaming for our attention all the time. And so really, people will hear about it in those clippable moments. They'll hear about it and you know social media clips, they're just not as engaged. So that's the first challenge I think for President Biden to speaking in soundbites.
He is not President Barack Obama. And because we live in such a social media society, we people look for that great orgs or people want to feel goosebumps, like it's a Baptist minister, and I think it's hard for people to understand you get a president like that maybe once in a lifetime. We had you know, John F. Kennedy was amazing in that way. Ronald Reagan a Republican, but he was the great communicator. He was an actor literally, and so people connect it with him. And you know,
we had President Barack Obama. Bill Clinton had some of that. But there was something magical about Barack Obama. I am not saying this because you're my co host and you're sitting here. There was something magical about you that would inspire people to like leave, you know, college for a semester. You had that that unspoken thing that you can tell when somebody's reaching for it, they're aiming for it, they're trying to perform. Andrew you had it naturally on that
campaign trail in this podcast. When we have discussions sometimes even when we're not, when we're just in our you know, private discussions, you still have that magical thing. I don't believe President Biden has that. And so the challenge for him for America on Thursday is to convince people that I'm still with you and I understand you in a clippable way. And right now. The one thing that he can can focus on that speaks to everybody, regardless of what side of the al you're on, is the economy.
And I think he has to strike that balance between focusing on macroeconomics and microeconomics because people will say, well, income equality is shrinking. Well, try selling that to people in the hood who don't feel that, who've seen no such evidence. People will say, oh, the economy is great for me, because they're referencing the stock market, which is not the economy. Try selling that, you know, Wall Street talk on Main Street. It doesn't go so to me.
That is his one unifying message that can resonate with a lot of folks, especially the people who you talk about who you know, think, oh, well, Donald Trump signed my stimulus checks, and so if he gets reelected, I'll be getting these kind of checks again and it's just it's just not true. So I'd be curious to see. Can I just say, reallyquick, the Angela found Joe Biden's twenty twenty three State of the Union address was watched by twenty seven point three million viewers.
That's the largest concentration.
That's about eleven million viewers lower than the previous year's figure, and I think we'll continue to see that number, that figure shrinking.
I think that's true. But I will tell you, for a president to make a statement, an hour long statement, and have twenty seven million Americans watching is probably the broadest audience a president is going to get over the course of their administration.
Clinton gathered the largest audience with nearly seventy million viewers. Yes, well, like just by comparison, look, I.
Think about Norman Lear, who was a mentor of mine, and I think that every week he reached into one hundred million households with his shows. I mean so, but TV there's a lot.
I like Obama had fifty two point four million.
For a lot of reasons, right to go ahead, But I was just Tiffany's comments hit on both style and I think substance of it. And I just want to just for a moment say, in addition to the things that I want to hear from this president, I hope that he takes it slow. I hope he acknowledged. I hope he knows as he stands in the well of the US Congress before Democrats and Republicans, that he is the president of the United States of America. Yes, he's in the run, he's in the campaign, but right now
the man is doing the job. And I think if he embodies that, I think he can become a different kind of communicator who comes off more declarative, more decisive. Don't rush us through your remarks, mister President, because they are important, and we want to hear what you have to say, largely because there are a lot of people who are hanging out there trying to see if you've got what they need to then turn out and then
support you again for this office. And so if i'm him, I want to hear a moral statement about Israel and about the West Bank and Palestinians. I want to moral, declarative argument. Your policy has been falling flat for most people because they don't see nothing y'all who acting by it. But this generation of young voters. They see right and wrong, and if you can't make the case and make it clearly,
you're going to have a problem. But I think we've got to be reminded as a country why we are involved in places all around the world when people are saying, well, why aren't you involved like that right here at home? Make us understand why it is it matters for us to be on the front lines where we are. And then the other thing I really need to hear from I think from this president during these remarks is I hope he cast a vision for where he wants to
take us Nobody. Unfortunately, the economic numbers are not falling the way they want to hear them. So then tell me about if I'm the everyday, average working American. Walk me through that picture, Paint that picture, Grab me by the hand, and walk me down the street so I can look to the left at that new house, and to the right at that new business, and down the
road to a changing landscape in my neighborhood. Walk me down that road so I can I can emotionally connect with you around the public policy you want to pursue. Except that policy is coming right up my block, and I think they've failed in so many ways to put the people at the center of their outreach at the White House through this administration. And again, I think it's because the President is saying, I'm doing the hard work
every single day. Why can't they see it? And unfortunately we can't see it if you don't say.
It every community validators.
I want to get into this because this comes up a lot, and that is what is the Biden administration's agenda for black people. Every year during Black History Month, they release another update on their accomplishments for the Black community. I think sometimes those accomplishments feel not like they're on the nose. And I mean what I mean by that is, for example, they'll say the number of black businesses that were that were started, the number the entrepreneurship in the
black community significantly increased under the Biden administration. Well, unless y'all walked up to our door with legal zoom, right, like, you can't really take credit for that. You can say that you've you know, lessened regulations and made it easier to make it happen, or even most recently, they've announced that they're gonna restrict.
Credit card late fees to eight dollars.
Right, those kinds of things are indirectly helpful to black people, but that's not just for black people. So what happens is they end up attributing black accomplishment to successes that benefit the whole of the country.
And I appreciate that. I remember when Barack Obama.
Would say, you know, I'm not the president for Black America and president of the United States of America. I understand this strategy, but I still think when someone a group of people resurrect your campaign from the dead, you owe them some things.
You owe them several things.
And I do think it is smart for black people to want to see progress from this administration. They also we also can't forget how civix works. We also can't forget that the legislative branch has something to do. One of my favorite moments in a Barack Obama State of the dress, a State of the Union address was him saying like he was ready with the pap with the pen. You bring the paper to his desk. He was ready with the pen, and it was I just remixed that
like I do Bible verses. But you understand the point. If they bring him a bill he can sign he's going to sign it into law. And so the things, the very things that black folks need the most, require legislative action. It does not preclude him from acting lator, acting in executive powers, signing executive actions, signing.
Executive orders to ensure our overall protection.
He can absolutely hit on some of these things in the State of the Union address, and I'm sure he will. One of the things he likes to go to a lot is how many black judges, black women judges in particular, he's appointed. I think that's fantastic. We need a little bit more than that. People are still crying out for relief. You made a great point around the economy. Oh my god, people are not filling that impact with inflation up like,
they're not feeling that impact. So we have to make sure that people feel it, and that might mean person by person. I think we talked about this on a podcast recently too, around the diabetes piece. If it doesn't impact us directly, don't hit us with no indirect stuff. That's not gonna work right now. It needs to be on the nose accomplishments for black folks.
That's real.
Well, there's also the issue, you know Isela, You've made this point. It is our right to make demands of this party, and I just don't see that with other constituency groups, Like you wouldn't feel the need to say, well, I'm not the president for all people who want gun control or for just people wh want gun control. I'm the president for everybody. Like we don't need to make those distinctions. You know, it is a constant in politics where it's a whisper to black folks, you know, like, hey,
after I get elected, i'ma look y'all up. But everybody else on the stump, you are loud and proud about what you're going to do for them. And I think it impacts how we look at it, Like people get very uncomfortable at some of the things we say here, some of the things that we said on air, and it's not it's not out of like we don't have the right. It's really out of fear. Don't make the white folks too uncomfortable, or we won't be able to have this. And we have to stop that way of thinking.
We are looking at a future, a near future that we can all see, envision and touch. By twenty forty, there will be no racial majority in this country. And so the power structure will still mostly rest with a lot of white Americans. As we're disrupting that power, it's going to be uncomfortable for some people. So I would invite our community and every community who has some curiosity about your fellow countrymen, get comfortable with being uncomfortable, because
the power structure is changing. Power seeds nothing without demand. It's up to us to make that demand.
You're right about it. And I just want to say that there are black people in positions of power all around this country, from mayor's school boards, councils, state legislatures, governor a governor, and aspirants alike. And don't get confused when you start seeing some of us react in ways that start to reflect some of the patriarchy that we see exhibited by frankly by and enlarged by white men
in greater society, and white women as well. And black folks have been less comfortable with being in positions of power because in so many ways it's still new. But the statement that power seeds nothing doesn't say just white power seeds nothing. It says power seeds nothing. And so I think about this one I hear the immigration debate, I think about this when I hear some of the critiques that we make of other professional blacks. You know, we got to be above bar and better than everybody
to do just this, that and a third. And then this judgmental things come comes down and you start to act in ways that resemble the people who are pressed you. And I want to call it to our consciousness, because I know we've got, you know, a blessed audience of people who are experiencing probably various levels of success in
their own lives. To just be cognizant that when we start to look out here and start to react in ways, especially around the changing demographic in this country, and ways that start to resemble the way in which the oppressed have acted toward us all of this time, to just check yourself and understand that you're hopefully that your commitment, that your reason for doing and for being is far outside of having to step on somebody else's neck back,
kill them, destroy them, set them up for failure as the only way in which you were able to survive. That isn't the truth, That has never been our truth. And so I just hope that folks recommit themselves to a deeper understanding of what it means when you get in the position and the seat of control. How do you conduct yourself? Do you start saying every brown person who's on a work site is there illegally because you don't see any people who are black anymore? Just check it.
Yeah.
I actually want to get into a story that we teased last week about Marilyn Moseby. So let's go to a quick break and then I want to pick that up. On the other side. You brought up a really good point about what will you do when you're in power and somebody who was in power and held the line for black folks is now in the line of fire. And I've talked about this a little bit last week, and I want to talk about it this week. Marilyn Moseby, she is the former her District Attorney for the City
of Baltimore. And for our younger viewers or people who may have forgotten, I just want to remind you all how we came to know Marilyn Moseby. This was the Freddie Gray case in the City of Baltimore. You all remember Freddy Gray was arrested and taken for a death ride essentially, yes, absolutely, and he later died from injuries
sustained there, and Marilyn Moseby charged those officers. And I just want to remind our viewers of what that moment meant to us when she stood on the steps of Baltimore. So let's listen to her and then we'll talk about it on the other side.
The findings of our comprehensive, thorough an independent investigation, coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mister Grey's death was a homicide, which we received today, has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal target to the youth of this city, I will see justice on your behalf. This is a moment, this is your moment. Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come.
You're at the forefront of this cause, and as young people, our time is now.
So I thought it was so important to play that because it was such a moment, and I want to remind people that the role of a DA because Vice President Kamala Harris also was, you know, essentially attacked on the campaign trail because people feel like you're a cop. You put people away. Let me explain something. The role of a DA is to decide who to charge, what
charges to bring. That is important because they also decide who not to charge and what charges not to So you need people who look like us in those positions. It was grossly unreported on. When the media started paying more attention to those types of things and happening in different bureaucracies and different municipalities, we saw a sweep of more black people being elected in those positions. These are elected positions. So this is why, to Andrew's point, those
down ballot races matter just as much. Maryland was elected to that position. She pissed off a lot of people. The police unions were very upset with her after that happened, and vowed vengeance and played the long game. And so Angela, I know this is something that you have been closely monitoring. I know you talked to some sources on the ground.
So I'd love to hear because i know that she's been charged with things and convicted at this point, but I'm not really clear on all the charges and what exactly she did.
Yeah, I want to just double down a little bit in what you were just saying about Maryland's role.
Marylynd was a force.
To be reckoned with as the Baltimore City State's Attorney. And the thing was, I was assuming this was all because of Freddy Gray, but it actually is much deeper than that. Freddy Gray was twenty fifteen. In twenty sixteen, the Department of Justice released a report on Baltimore. Baltimore Police departments patterns and practices of just like so many violations. I mean, I can go through them.
There's ale c cent degree.
There's a laundry list. Yes, they were under consent degree.
After explain what.
Consent simply stated, when the Justice Department comes in and they have recognized or observed a consistent pattern of misconduct, the Justice Department then has the right to step into that agency to uncover whatever it needs to uncover, and then to basically put them on a diet or an action plan would be a better description.
Probation.
Probation but also with a set of actions, steps that you were supposed to take to cure the harm.
It's important for listeners to understand that because a lot of time on cable news platforms they'll say these things like DJ and content degree. People don't know, so I think it's far.
In fact, it's important underscore that most of the consent degrees that have come down over the history of DOJ have been to right wrongs that have mostly been perpetuated against black folks all across the country.
So, in addition to the Freddy Gray case, the consent decree, because you all know that she did charge six officers in the Freddy Gray case and was not successful.
But after that, none of the officers were convicted, correct, not.
That I remember, Yeah, not that I remember.
So after that, Maryland went on to successfully prosecute thirty three police officers on various convictions. There was a gun Trace Task Force in twenty seventeen where eight officers were charged and convicted by twenty eighteen relating to stealing money stealing like all types of corruption. She was successful in that. In addition to that, she worked with a delegate in Maryland by the name of Eric Barron, who you will hear more about later.
I'll go back to that.
But she also was She told people when she came into office that she was not going to prosecute any weed convictions.
Folks were upset about that.
A lot of low level offenses she declined to prosecute yes.
And specifically around weed.
She was like, yeah, sorry, marijuana, cannabis convintion. She was not going to do that. She worked on a bill with a former state Delegate, Eric Barron, and that bill was a vacature statute in twenty nineteen, and she and from that also worked to remove the convictions of eight hundred of eight hundred plus cases from the thirty three or sorry, from the eight officers that were associated with the Gun Trace Task Force.
What is the old statue?
She over a vacated previous previous guilty verdicts or if there were negotiations between and somebody you know, cop to being having done what you said I did, whether they did it or not sentence, So she vacated those previous orders.
Got it.
Then, in addition to that, helped to exonerate thirteen innocent black men, and then worked through her Crime Control and Prevention Division to develop and foster relationships that are healthy relationships with the justice system with seven thousand young people.
Wow.
When she was voted out of office in twenty twenty two, her opponent basically has undone all of those reforms. They were mostly funded by Sinclair I'm broadcasting, and.
So Sinclair Broadcasting is a conservative outlet. What do you mean they were funded.
Which runs probably any.
Local wherever you live in your neighborhood. But you're saying they funded this guy's campaign against Yeah. Can I just say one thing really quickly, in full disclosure, I worked with Nick Mosby, Maryland's either soon to be x husband or ex husband on a campaign, so I know a little bit about Baltimore. It has the highest concentration of formally incarcerated individuals. Did at the time that number may
have shifted. So high is this number that on campaigns when people run for mayor, the formerly incarcerated are organized enough that they endorse candidates, they hold candidate forums, and
they It is impressive to see. And it's mostly black men, probably ninety eight percent Black men, who have you know, served their time, whether it was deserved or not, but as we all know, it's a very unforgiving criminal justice system and have come out and use their political power and they I know Marilyn Mosby and Nick would both engage them, so her work seems stellar.
Sorry, no, I'm glad that you said that.
I think the thing to know now is fast forward past all of that success, there's little black kids that now are like, oh, I actually can be a prosecutor.
I see myself reflected in this.
My family members who I thought would normally be on the other end of what I've done, would actually be helped by me being in office. Maryland has been severely punished so since then, Maryland has faced several counts of perjury of making false mortgage applications. She was tried in November of twenty twenty three for and I'm sorry, convicted in November twenty twenty three of two counts of perjury.
The charges were related.
To withdrawing of funds from the City of Baltimore's deferred compensation plan. That's as if if you had a four oh one K, if you're in corporate on the hill, we had thrift savings plan.
This is her money, her money that she's like a retirement plan of her sorrow and k.
So even better than a retirement plan. A deferred compensation plan is like you're supposed to get thirty more thousand dollars a year in your salary, except you defer that thirty thousand into a retirement plan or into a savings account. That acts like a retirement plan which you can borrow from at any point in time, and it accrues interests, but the interest is paid back to yourself. This is she that money money.
Wow, And so she claimed adverse financial consequences during the COVID pandemic.
Let's just pause right there.
Then, the two withdrawals that she took out, I want to make sure I hit these amounts. This is very important. Forty thousand dollars and fifty thousand dollars. So that's for a total of ninety thousand dollars. The deferred compensation plan is a four point fifty seven B and it's a COVID related distribution request.
The executive director of this deferred.
Compensation plan, his name is David Randall, testified on the stand that a hardship, it's not a hardship, it's an adverse financial consequence. And an adverse financial consequence could be fifty dollars. If you were hit by fifty dollars, you can you would qualify for being able to withdraw this money. The Department of Justice argued that she didn't experience financial hardship,
which is an objective standard. It's the subjective the subjective standard is an adverse financial consequence, So they were arguing two different.
STANDARDSLA just just to say further about the objectiveness of it. The reason why it is further objective is because you can't go to a computer and put it in a reason and then it put out an approval or denial. An individual must hear a reason and that individual then decides whether or not you meet it or you don't. So there are guidelines, but it's almost it is almost one subjective.
And she was able to withdraw.
And the point is a proof of it, right, DJ the Department of Justice said she didn't experience financial hardship again or arguing that objective standard, because she received her full salary.
Now here's where I want to pause.
As black people, how many of us know she makes on the north another side of two undred and fifty thousand dollars a year as a prosecutor.
She's the breadwinner for her family.
Her husband is in a city council, pays very.
Little, but forget about him. Her mama cousin every knows.
Children so young, if anyone went through the pandemic, remember like we have to put ourselves there. We don't know when this thing is going to end. We don't know how long we're carrying the people in our family. That is an adverse financial consequence. You don't get to decide that for her. So this is all of what's what's at play in this November trial. They said there's no
definition for what an adverse financial consequences consequence is. That is why seven hundred and thirty nine people in the City of Baltimore who have on the same deferred conversation plan withdrew money from that.
Three of them were.
In the same agency as Marilyn Moseby. But she's the one.
How manywhere prosecuted her charge?
I do?
I think Marylynd is the only one because they're making an example out of her.
So this is very clear.
Marilyn at this point, her marriage is on the rocks. She is thinking about home ownership and the fact that she does not own a home because her name is not on the family home, and she's trying to figure out how to get on her feet with her two girls.
Henselos two withdraws because they're going to be used. She hopes to buy a home for them. Now, the potential potential sentence for the two perjury counts she was convicted on is three years. I'm sorry, five years. Now, let's go to February twenty twenty four, because that's not it. They bifurcated the trials. They bifurcated the charges. So she's tried on this first set of issues. Now there's the mortgage application issue.
So right now it's five years for the well you just explained us. She's facing five years.
Yes, she has not been sentenced yet from the November case because they were waiting to sentence her altogether after the February case. So in February, just last month, she was facing two counts and making false mortgage applications. She was found guilty and convicted for one of those counts. They say that she made seven missrepresentations in her mortgage application, including not sharing that there was a delinquent tax lien.
Nick has already testified. Nick Boseby's already testified in court that he lied to her about clearing that lien, so the mortgage application was answered to the best of her knowledge. They said that she was not supposed to use the property as a rental property. Put a pin in that. We'll get back to that later, that she lied about a gift that she received from Nick in the amount of five thousand dollars, and that she wasn't honest about a revolving account. They thought the tax line should go
on the revolving account. It's a whole mess. This is a mortgage application. I think those of us who have ever owned a home, there are a lot of things that you're doing to just try to get to the finish line in this process. And she was told by her mortgage broker. Mortgage broker testifies to this that he told her that she could not withdraw the five thousand dollars from the shared account she has with her child.
She put her daughter on her checking account.
You cannot pay for the five thousand dollars earnest money with a miner's account.
So they said, do you have a joint account.
She said yes. He said, well, can you get the money from your husband? She says, sure, I'll ask him for it, but she was not sure if he had it based on the tax ling situation. She asked him for the money, not sure that he has it. Because black women are always going to fill in the gap. She deposits the money and he can give it back to her, but to a different account. They decided that this is some type of money launder and enterprise, right, and then like all, it's this craziness.
Anyway, the jury.
Acquitted her on the Kissame property but convicted on the long Boat Key property.
Both of them are Florida condos.
That issue is mostly is this five thousand dollars gift from her husband and the prosecution is claiming that it was this whole money laundering operation. The thing that stresses me out about this is just from this piece alone. Maryland is facing thirty years no five.
So is this in addition to so she get thirty five years?
Yeah, she could.
This is a mother, This is a mother. But even beyond that.
This is I know we said we're not cussing that much on this podcast, but this is bullshit. And to tap into the bullshit, Scott Bolden, who was her attorney on the first case, went on the court steps and said, this is bullshit. God threatened to be held in criminal contempt.
Because you can't speak ill the court.
Wow. But he was on the court set outside.
Making I got that's crazy, that's what I want to hear.
You cannot insult the court.
And this is I said, I wasn't gonna say this.
I'm gonna tell y'all the delegate, the former delegate who she worked on the legislation with the the Eric the vacator statue is the prosecutor in the case.
Wow.
Now, okay, let me ask this is the prosecutor in this case and did he decide to do this or was he instructed to do this?
Well, you can always say no, you can quit, you can. But here's my other thing. Eric Barron is a black man, a US attorney who was appointed by this administration, this judge who was threatening to hold Scott in criminal contempt of the court, which then put him in conflict to not be able to represent Maryland in the second trial.
She then had to get a public defender in the second trial, the judge to threaten to hold him in the criminal content of the court, black woman appointed by Joe Biden as well.
So again, this is I know, a huge night.
Federal charges, federal charges, facing thirty five years in prison for what like.
Can you just name check the identity the race of these individuals who were culprits in this all. I made the point earlier route power and I said it was in many ways without regard to race. I know you're not done, but I want to pull back just for a second, because first of all, to learn of the particulars is to just grow more frustrated by the whole thing. Because I think the greatest offense occurred when you pull back to their ever being charges in the first place.
I would like to know how many times the US attorney in this district has bought similar like charges to any other.
Person correct in the city.
Because this, this, this, this gets at the heart of selective prosecution. Selective prosecution, which is a defined term in the Department of Justice. The United States Department of Justice understands what it means to select because of who the person is, to then decide to go after them for reasons or causes that you have never pursued anyone else, never pursued anyone else.
It is targeted and to make an example out of her.
And it's not just for anybody who becomes a prosecutor in Baltimore.
It is for black prosecutors.
Across the state. Plainly, what the example is. The example is this woman had the unmitigated goal to turn a system that has survived generations, that has survived ancestors that has survived, and is that it is a critical part of upholding the status quo as they know it. If police officers in Baltimore now know that they can be held accountable for their illegal activity while under the cover
of the badge, y'all, are you kidding me? She has I cannot overstate on this podcast how critical her disruption has been. I would say that Marilyn Moseby was at the tip of the spear of prosecutors around this country deciding that it was okay to then pursue prosecutions law enforcement officers. So her example is not just about being in Baltimore. Her example is influence is it is larger than any of us will ever be able to put work.
I have a question for you, if I may this woman, well both of you, really, we cannot let she held the line for us as a community, and she faced and squared off against the system. You two have squared off against the federal government and lived to tell about it, which is not a very common thing. You are an attorney. We cannot let this happen. She held the line for us, when the whole the line for her. What can we do now? To make sure that she does not see
one day of jail time. I'm not talking about to reduce sentence. This mother of two, who survived a hard upcoming upbringing in Boston, Massachusetts, went to Tuskegee, I believe is the word. She and Nick met in Alabama.
She is the daughter and the great granddaughter of law enforcement office.
Yes, yeah, she comes from law enforcement. We cannot let this happen to her. What would have been helpful to you when you were going through this? And Angela's an attorney, like, what can the people listening do?
So where we are, I mean, I'll just say what would have been helpful, obviously would have been the resources to bring a fight that matched the enemy that your opposition. Right. I needed the strength both legally but also financially to
wage that war. There are people sitting incarcerated today, far too many who didn't necessarily commit the crimes that they were accused of, but they did not have the resources, the wherewithal, or the stomach to potentially risk being away from their children and their family a day longer than was necessary. Right, And so they say, I'll cop to this because ninety nine point nine percent of cases that the Department of Justice brings either they settle or they
win in court. I'm part of what is known as the three percenters, three percent who fight back and then beat they ass and beat they ass because they're liars. And I don't I'm not casting all expersions, but you do understand how closely hand in glove law enforcement and prosecutors officers are. It is prosecuted don't bring cases without the support and the wherewithal of law enforcement. Law enforcement doesn't work these cases up to then go present it
to the attorney without the support of the attorney. So what I don't know if she's got a fund of a setup, a legal defense fund. But it sounds to me like there are mini grounds for appeal, but also that there are political grounds under which this department should not have been and is not within its rights. If we were to pay attention to the letter of the law under this target prosecution to have been bought charges in the first place, they wouldn't sneeze that five thousand dollars at a.
Party jan under Donald Trump.
And the first thing that I would say is, Merrit Garland, what are you going to do to separate yourself from a different Department of Justice, the break administration. But I'm saying it's time for somebody to ask them. I think that Merrick Garland needs to resign.
He is.
Really like culpable in a lot of ways.
And this whole targeting of black elected officials that has been it doesn't matter who's in office, really, they will just target black elected officials. And I think that is where we get into the nuance of partisanship and when we don't see ourselves reflected in something that we voted for.
We stood up for you, we protected you.
You were going to be a Supreme Court justice, firus I went on air defending your ass when I did not believe in your ability to really protect our interests on the Supreme Court. And then this is how you repay us.
But he's not going to resign. So if I want him to resign.
We can. But I'm saying realistically and tangible, I don't think what can we do Maryland right now?
But I'm just just a part of it, because what I'm getting at is he is listening to this man named Leo Wise.
Why does this matter?
Leo Wise was the chief counsel for the Office of Congressional ethics. When it was stood up. Nancy Pelosi came in saying, we're gonna be tough on ethics. So they stood up this whole office that targeted CBC members.
Congressman Waters was subject to.
An ethics investigation by this same man. What does Leo Wise have to do with Maryland? He went to dj He was the one that worked at Maryland's case. This is now under Donald Trump and they.
Still kept this going.
Now it's under bid it.
That's what I'm saying. It started under Donald Trump, though.
In the plot to to was under Barack Obama. So let me just say this that these institutions exist.
So my point is that until someone is held to account for how that system is operating, it is going to continue.
Like they need to clean house.
It shouldn't just be Mery Garland, it should be that whole department that there needs to be an Office of inspector general report on what is happening in there and the targeting of elected officials. How dare you prosecute someone for five thousand goddamn dollars when Donald Trump has ninety one indictments?
Are you kidding me?
And y'all are twiddling your thumbs, trying to figure out what to do with him, how to go at him. And this is what you're like, the government, Wait a minute, the resources that are being spent, the taxpayer dollars that are being.
Spent on this trial.
This is millions of dollars for five thousand goddamn dollars.
So the thing is, if I'm Maryland, I'm like, what can we do? I know that, But what I'm saying is you have to Can we ask the administration for a party?
Yes?
Of course, And we've been saying we started that last week, like of course we go to the pardon. But this I think Marylyn would not just want us to protect just Maryland.
This office has to be dealt with. They have to be held to account. She should.
I So, first of all, if and I appreciate you drawing us back to this, because if you're listening and you're wondering, watch what I care about this thing? Why does this matter? Why do we have to listen to that level of detail? If you, if you are sincere folks, and your desire, your need for justice and the way it is administered in this country, for Maryland, for me,
for names that we cannot call this moment. But we can tell you without a shadow of the doubt that somebody else is being raked over the colds ten times over by this same institution that has been built, stood up and is largely operating to silence what are political enemies? And Marylynd matters.
It's political enemy advocates for black just.
Well Angela who But then then ask ourselves who doesn't want that that thing happening? So before her, there weren't prosecutors who were ever viewed as being separate from law enforcement. Prosecutors were not seeing as separate from that grand juries? Can you believe that grand juries in this country, which is a which we inherited from Great Britain when they were colonizing the world, every place they colonized got rid of the grand jury process except two places, the United
States being one of them. And then we decided to ensconce it in our constitution in the sixth Amendment, so on and so forth. But the grand jury was supposedly set up so that citizens could be sure that governments did not use its power to go after their own individual enemies. It was supposed to be a check on them. What are they today? They are a rubber stamp. Can we hear this?
Grand juries used to be filled with black women.
And they mean nothing today other than a rubber stamp on prosecutors. All I'm saying here is this sister matters. If you forget her name, if you forget what her job title was, let me tell you she is transformative to how justice can be perceived to be administered in a fair way that goes after every corruptor that goes after. Nobody is above the law, not law enforcement, and not a president. She exhibited that she's now paying the cost
of it. I know that there are people who are sitting in judgment about where they could have done this, and they could have done that. She didn't do anything different than people who are going in every day getting mortgages. They figure out a way to make it happen, and with their own money and resources art and they didn't go out there trying to break some law and find themselves at the crossairs of the federal government coming after them viciously.
Well, Marylyn now is in a position where she doesn't even have a car. Her grandmother is in hospice, she has cancer. She's trying to take care of her grandmother she still has her two girls. I think the divorce is almost final. If it's not final, this is such a tragic, catastrophic event. I cannot imagine how she's just making it. She's barely holding on. This is something that we need to call to attention. I'm just gonna remind
the listening audience in case y'all don't know. When Kamala Harris was being called top cop and being raked over the calls for prosecuting black men, Marilyn is someone who they called on to defend her as a surrogate. And I would this administration owes her a pardon, not because she campaigned for them, but because this is bullshit and it is so wrong.
And it's illegal under DOJ guideline. How about this is illegal? The practice is illegal. You have selectively targeted a person, not because of what they'd done. You sought after, you selected records going back as far as twenty fourteen. You were after trying to catch her up on something. And y'all, there were foundations. There were wealthy people, there were celebrities, there were others who lifted Maryland up and held her as a she wrote and a heroine in our community.
Because of what she did well, she is no less that person today. That's right, and she's deserving of our support and our outcry to this administration to make right what they have done wrong.
Yeah, and so to this point, May twenty third is when she's supposed to be sentenced, they can absolutely tee up a partner. And that's what we should ask our listening audience and our viewers to do. Tell this administration they should be partnering Marilyn Moseby. Marilyn Moseby's the exact type of prosecutor this country needs. Everyone who's a progressive prosecutor right now is being faced with this type of animus. And I think that it's time for DOJ to be turned up, seth and last.
Before we go to a break and then come back with our asks of you. I want you to know that what this is attempting to send as a signal that if you even think about prosecutor, running for prosecutor becoming prosecutor in the mold of a Maryland Moseby, you better think again. So the shot over the bow is not to Maryland. They don't care. That means they clearly they want her out of the way. But the shot really is to the rest of us to say, don't you dare even dream about it? Young man, young woman,
little boy, stay in your proper place, do the proper thing. Well, yoh's and that's it. So just know that the opposite of doing nothing and allow this to happen is to allow them to win at this fight for achieving world justice in this country. We're never going to get there if this is what they can do to seekers of justice.
And Donald Trump got ninety one in diatments right, and we tell my five thousand dollars.
I honestly just want to say thank you, Angela, because I think it's important to hear this in lay person's terms about what exactly happens. So thanks for doing the background and the research and making it plain. And thank you Andrew for sharing your testimony about what you went because I want to make it real and tangible for people. Imagine if this were you, you would want people to
stand in your corner. And you know, for anybody who supports Marylyn Maryland, if you're listening, we will not forget you. You did not abandon us, You stood for us, and we will always stand with you and for you.
Thank you, sus and now we'll pay some bills and be right back. Well, Angela, I appreciate you deep diving us on that really important conversation, and of course we invite you all to follow it up. But unfortunately, listeners, we went over our time, So politics everywhere. We're kicking that to a mini pod and you won't want to miss it. We'll be talking actor Terrence Howard, who is ordered to pay one million in back taxes after saying I won't tell you right now. You'll have to listen
up for the rest of that response. So some calls to action, I know we actually I feel like we've already given the one that I'm a co signed, so y'all can give yours. But my call to action is going to be really toward this Maryland Moseby piece of folks, tweeting about it, pushing it out, doing whatever you got to do to spread the word. This woman deserves a pardon, not for herself only, but for all of us and the way in which she's stood up for real justice, real reform. Angela, what you got.
I definitely agree with that.
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