Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership with Recent Choice Media. All Right, everybody, welcome home, y'all, welcome to Native Land Pod. We are your host, Tiffany Cross, Angela, right, and Andrew Gillem.
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We are still celebrating the tail end of Black History. By the time you guys get this podcast, it will officially be March. I mean, where did February go? Is a leap year and time is going so fast. What did you say, Andrew?
No, I said, holy crap. No, but we have two more days.
Right, No, you have one more day on Black History Month? I mean yeah, on the podcast release.
Right, And by the time people listen, it's going to be supposed to be able to talk better.
This week, I still can't talk.
It's because we have so much to talk about.
Well, let me just say, speaking of can't talk, I do want our listeners and viewers to know I am a bit under the weather. Her and find you a crew that cares enough about you to instacart you a bunch of mens. Angela uh, doctor Angela medicine woman remedies off of the natural remedies.
Decline hopeful.
Look.
I was supposed to call Angeline figure out how to taste this. It was the heart shape herb. But I had to pray to the answers to turn around and bow three times. I just took one of everything. I took one of everything, and.
That was specifically not what she was told to do.
Two tablespoods and apple sider vinegar is not one of everything.
But I digress, Angela.
I'm telling you everything that was in that bag. I was taking one and I'm like, this is bingo ail. Do I drink it?
Do I put on my.
Record?
I like it.
And stuff It's good juices and berries, juices and berries.
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Anyway, guys, I will tell you one thing I really hate about the echo chamber is I never see us reflected. So I really love convening with you guys every week where we have conversation that we really have all week and now it's just like you guys get the eavesdrop on the conversation and we love that you're a part of it too. So I want to break down what we're going to get into. We had a big primary in a battleground state, Michigan, so we're going to talk
about that what happened there with that protest vote. No big surprises in the winners, but that nuanced protests vote is certainly something to talk about.
And we have a big week coming.
Up because we're looking ahead to Super Tuesday that's coming up Tuesday, March fifth, and the President will deliver his State of the Union address on March seventh. So we asked you guys to weigh in with what you wanted to hear him talk about, and boy did you ever.
So we have some of your comments. We're going to be talking about that.
We also want to get into how the DEI issues remain under attack. There are so many attacks on these issues across the country and they continue.
And speaking of things being under attacked, our pockets are under attack.
We're going to get into this win these surge pricing on this episode. So we got a lot to get into. So let's kick it off and in the words of old school Jane and Jackson, give me a beat. In some other news, fresh off Capitol Hill, Mitch McConnell, Senator, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, I'm sorry, Senate Minority leader. He is the minority they have. The Republicans are on the Senate, on the Senate in the upper chamber.
He is stepping down now. He's not stepping down from his Senate seat despite experiencing several medical incidents that we've all bought witness to, but he is stepping down from his position in leadership. Interesting facts about Mitch McConnell. His he made some remarks I think what last year, maybe, Angelie, you remember when he talked about black people voting just as much as Americans voting as though they're separate. Another
interesting facts about Mitch McConnell. His family actually enslaved black people, which is part of how he got to his leadership position.
So thoughts and prayers to.
Him, Tiffany Man, I add one more interesting fact. Yes, Sir, Mitch McConnell also pulled off the greatest theft in history by taking and stealing a Supreme Court justice seat during Barack Obama's term as president. And they got away when it's Scott free.
So let's get into the big news this week, and that is the Michigan primary. No big surprises there, right, I mean, you guys have heard us talk about the protest vote that was introduced Congresswoman racheated to leave, encouraging people to do a protest vote. Well, a lot of people listen because as of right now, one hundred over one hundred thousand people according to the latest reporting, voted uncommitted.
So before we get into the discussion, I want to let you guys hear what Congresswoman Rasheated to Leave had to say when she was leaving the voting vote.
Take a listen, and we'll talk about it. On the other side.
Everyone, it's Rashida. I was proud today to walk in and pull a democratic ballot and vote uncommitted. We must protect our democracy. We must make sure that our government is about us, about the people. When seventy four percent of Democrats and Michigan support a cease fire, yet President Biden is not hearing us, this is the way we can use our democracy to say listen. Listen to Michigan, Listen to the families right now that have been directly impacted.
But also listen to the majority of Americans who are saying enough, no more wars, no more using our dollars to fund a genocide, no more.
All right, So that's Congressman Rashida to leave talking about voting uncommitted Angela Andrew, What do you guys make of that?
Yeah? You know. The thing that I have to say here is I just have some frustration to express. I am so frustrated with the last of empathy, particularly from people on social media. I can't tell you if I was the sole Palestinian representative in Congress, what I would want people to do to make their voices heard. I want to remind folks that this is a primary election. It is the perfect time to make your voices heard.
However you choose to do that, whether it is I'm a vote for you, but here are my demands, I'm a vote for you, but here's my agenda, or I'm saying I'm uncommitted right now and I'm going to make sure that I put all the pressure I have the ability to apply to you until we get to the convention in Chicago. I think that she had to do what she had to do. I understand it. I don't
love it. It scares me, particularly when I look at the results from Biden versus Donald Trump, where you see Joe Biden at six hundred and eighteen thousand plus votes and you see Donald Trump at seven hundred and fifty six thousand plus votes. If the election were held today, that would have meant that Donald Trump would have beat Joe Biden and Michigan.
And that is a battleground state. It's a state that's needed.
The one thing that we know we can't afford to do in this country is right off any particular state, Like everybody needs to vote. Every single state, every battleground needs to be blue in order for democracy to be preserved.
That is where we are. So there's a lot at stake. But I'm not gonna say, how dare she do this? Like she doesn't.
She's she is fully human, fully Palestinian, and walking a very lonely road, and I don't know what that's like. So you know, I kudos to everyone who won turned out because that's the most important thing. What is not a protest vote is you sit in your ass on a couch. That's not a protest vote. That's letting somebody else vote for you. And so I think that the best thing that we could hope for in a democracy, in a two party system that frankly hasn't served the least among us very well.
I support them being active. Nonetheless, agreed, agreed.
Now now, Andrew, you know, Michigan is home to a very large Arab American population. We have all seen the carnage out of Gaza. It is hard to look at and it is not just an issue for Arab Americans. A lot of people are looking at what's happening over there. I'm very unhappy about it.
What do you mean, Yeah, I mean I think you're right, and both of you are right, Angela. I'm not sure what the sentiment has been on social media. I think it's probably pretty well known. Now. I don't read social media comments anymore, but I got to tell you, the exercise of a demonstration vote could not have been better
place than in a primary election. Let's just be clear about this, because if we were at November, which thankfully is nine months away, and we were dealing with this kind of a protest vote, we'd beat up up the creek without a pedal. Hillary Clinton lost the state of Michigan by somewhat eleven thousand votes to Donald Trump eleven thousand.
Joe Biden in the rematch. Obviously in last year, oh sorry, last election cycle won the state by a little over one hundred thousand votes, so we're anywhere between eleven thousand and one hundred thousand votes, making the difference between who gets the electoral votes out of Michigan and what that also means, by further extension, who wins the presidency of the United States of America. That's what it comes down to.
And so I saw interviews on television many of those voters who came out and said, I voted protests because I want to send the White House a message that I don't like how the President is handling this war in the Middle East. And they said, but I want to I want to vote for Joe Biden. I want to be convinced to be able to vote for Joe
Biden come the November election. So I think a good number of these people will come home, But I don't believe they're coming home unless they see something different by way of how this administration is effectuating policy there. And it should be a warning sign to the White House. But I will tell you who else out of adopted a warning sign. Donald Trump. He lost three hundred thousand
votes to NICKI Haley. Practically you can't win, to say to Michigan losing that many Republican voters and so I don't know how many of them say I'll vote for her now and then I'll switch and vote for him later. But my guess is a number of those people are probably not Trumpers, or never Trumpers are now never Trumpers, and so that that ought have sent a oney sign to the Republicans as well.
Well, I'm glad you brought up Nicki Haley because she actually said that she is not getting out the race.
Let's wait, I just have one quick thing, quick thing. I'm sorry, it's going to be super quick. The only other thing I wanted to flag for everyone is in twenty twelve, when Barack Obama was in the race, there was a primary where eleven percent of Michiganders voted uncommitted as well. It wasn't a protest for twenty it was, but it was it was eleven percent of the turnout, and so I just want to make sure that folks also know that as well.
That was all I love.
All right, So, nick I'm glad you brought up Nicki Haley because she says she's not getting out the race. So let's take a listen to what she told CNN's Dan of Ash this week.
We've only seen a handful of states vote. I mean, look, I've said this before. As much as the media wants to jump ahead, we're taking this one state, one day at a time.
That's what this is about.
You know, if I got out when y'all were talking about it earlier in New Hamphire, South Carolina, whatever, it would be the longest general election race in presidential history. Still, if I got out today, it'd be the longest general election race in history. America is blessed to be a democracy. Let people vote now. In the next week, we're gonna watch twenty states and territories vote. Let's let that happen.
That's true.
Yeah, so yeah, that is the whole point of a contest. Angela has been doing an excellent job posting these news updates. You guys, be sure to follow Native Land Pod on Instagram because you can keep track of what's happening.
Just so folks know.
Super Tuesday, Tuesday, March fifth, the state's voting Alabama, Alaska, that's GOP only in Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah or Mount Virginia, and the US territory of American Samoa. Angela, What do you I mean, does Nicky have a path to the White House. I'm sorry, Nimroda, but I know you don't like when I call her that. But do you think she has a path to the WHI Well.
First, I just want to add that there have been a great number of people who are supporting us on the news clips online, and I want to shout out camera and Lolo.
Lolo's going above and beyond these days.
She's like, research has to be in the news clips too, So shout out to them. Nicky Hayley does not have a path unless there's some magic math that's going to happen at some point. She is picking up delegates along the way. I think right now at twenty two delegates in counting, but we probably won't count that manymore. I am suggesting that even though she says she's going to stay in the race, I don't think she'll stay in much longer than Super Tuesday, which is the same thing we said last week.
Well, what is the point of her staying? Like, what do you think about it? Andrew?
With her?
Like, is her presence making a difference?
I think that, first of all for the Democrats. I absolutely think that it's making a difference. Why because we're going to be able to clip every one of these comments and put them in commercials and ads, radio, television, and otherwise during the general election and target that very specifically to independent voters, undecided voters who are trying to make a decision between Donald Trump and the President Joe Biden.
And to have the how do you say, the co sign of a triedent for Republican who represents a lot of stuff I don't believe in, has set a lot of stuff I detest. But to have a Republican saying what she is saying in truth about Donald Trump, we'll add a lot of fodder for the campaign as we
get closer to election day. But I will tell you just say, I think there are two advantages that here staying in one, I think she's probably preparing herself for the next round of this twenty twenty eight coming out of this election, basically saying, once all the trials are all done, once you know, hopefully Donald Trump is in nick cuffs and prison ate you know, in prison, she'll say, hey, I'm your girl. I stood up when all the men dropped out when everybody else didn't have the courage to
take it toe to toe with Donald Trump. I did it, and I deserve to be the nominee this time. That's one reason too. I think she's potentially waiting for one of these trials to straight up in this man's political career. I don't know if that will happen prior to November, but I think she's probably hedging that that might be a possibility. And if she's the last woman standing, last person standing, she may feel that she's in good position
to win the party's support as its nominee. Should he Should he not make it to November?
Okay, but here's my question, because a lot of people are never Trumpers until they ain't correct what we see a day when Nicki Haley is on stage saying, I Nicki Haley support Donald Trump.
She's served in his administration.
So I think we can see that.
So they will fall into guess what.
Those words aren't going away, her critiques of him aren't going away, and the accuracy of those critiques don't go away. So it doesn't diminish our ability to take her words, put them in advertising, and let her take him down for real, not lightweight but real.
The only thing I'll say to this is, you know, in so many instances, you hear people, I think, particularly young people these days, who are like this is why I don't like politics, because if you watch people speak out of both sides of their mouth. And we don't even have to wait for Nikki Haley to be on the stage endorsement Donald Trump, maybe even hoping that she becomes his VP, right to watch the double speak. She will double speak and talk herself in circles in one interview.
We saw it on the Breakfast Club. We saw it on State of the Union, so we.
See it over and over again.
We see it at the town halls like she will talk herself in circles. So these are this is the reason she embodies why so many people, particularly young folks, don't like politics. It's frustrating to see.
Yeah, yeah, look, I just have seen time and time again where people have come out been highly critical of this man and eventually they fall in line, and it is crazy. It's like a cult.
I don't doubt that, y'all. But this is why Fanian Angela and I know we know this, but that's why we can't take any voter any vote for granted, When you can lose the presidency by the by eleven thousand votes in one state, then y'all, if you need anything else to underscore the importance the imperative to your voice being in the process, this is it, because that's what it's going to come down to. A few states and a few thousand votes or maybe a few hundred votes
in between. Bush, you did become president with a four what was it a five for Supreme Court decision, right, and a couple hundred votes in Florida in two thousand. That made the difference every time.
Yeah, the hanging chest. That's swinging chess. Yeah, hanging Chad, Yeah, yeah. Your next.
Started on there.
Florida, Florida.
Man.
I tell you, you brought up a really good point about being able to lose the presidential election by just a few thousand votes, But there are some nuance to that, and I want us to discuss that.
We have a viewer question.
Thank you guys for submitting all your questions to us, and you can keep sending those at Native land Pod on our Instagram handle. But we have an interesting viewer question that we want to get to. But first we're got to take a really quick break, but don't go anywhere because right after this we're going to talk about Trump and black Trump supporters.
Is it a real thing. We'll get to that on the other side. Don't go anywhere.
Okay, So we have a question from Joyce Smith from the Bronx.
Joyce, what you got?
My name is Joyce Smith Jones. I'm from the Bronx, New York.
My question is why are some of our folks in our community still willing to support Trump after so much he can continues to be transparent about how he feels about our community.
He has.
Always been a racist and has never supported anything, even when he was a Democrat and he was in the end crowd and hanging out with jay Z. He's never really been someone that we should trust and get behind. But yet so many of us are still willing to support this man, and I just don't understand why when he's clearly showing us that if he gets re elected again, we might as well be reporting to the nearest white person.
Okay, thank you for that bad question, Joyce.
I have to just start out with right kick because you guys and say the math eight math in here, guys, there is no large enough constituency of black men supporting Donald Trump that could swing this election either way.
When you look at the map of where black voters.
Live, it is just not I mean, if we want to talk about people who are supporting Donald Trump, the biggest number is white people. It's conservative white voters. In twenty sixteen, most white blue collar voters supported Donald Trump.
In Michigan. We just had a primary there.
And there although the Union people they swung their support to Donald Trump. The UAW endorsed President Biden, but they acknowledge most of their members support Donald Trump.
So it baffles me.
While the media is constantly pushing this storyline as though black men could hand the presidency to Donald Trump, is just not true and I hate that storyline. So I take your point, Joyce, because you probably see that on social media, you probably see it on cable news. But there is not a large number of black men supporting Donald Trump. There are some, but not a large enough number that they could hand this presidency to Donald Trump.
But my co hosts may have different thoughts, So what do you guys.
I just want us to be really careful about how we throw people's names into things. She said that he was hanging out with jay Z, and I would like for her to tell me when and where that happened. Jay Z's been consistent in his criticism of Donald Trump. When Donald Trump said that we come from shithole countries, jay Z said that that was unnecessary and hurtful. When he was talking about his presidency overall, he said, and I quote, he's bringing out an ugly side of America
that we wanted to believe was gone. Like, I'm just trying to understand when we decide like who's doing what and why and on this you know, at the same time, we have someone who I love. I love Joey Krack, I love Fat Joe. But he's saying, on one side, I don't support Donald Trump, but on the other hand, he's waving a Trump sneaker online, Like some of that stuff is not helpful. But I also want us to be very careful and cautious with our words, and I
want us to also be careful with our influence. We can do all of those things. And I think that what is sad is you have and we've talked about already on this show show. We have fifty cent talk about maybe Trump got it right on the migrant crisis. He ended up sitting down with people who we know, some of whom we love as well, and he of course corrected after a conversation as well with Eric Adams.
But it's fine to express your frustration, but beware of the influence you carry and know that people are going to follow suit. When they think that you're frustrated enough and you throw Trump's name in it, they might think that is a vote.
They may not want to engage. I just brought up a reason in the last portion.
If they don't trust politicians, but they trust you because you've always shown up for them.
You sound like them, you grew up like them.
Be very careful and mindful of the platform you carry and how you use that thing. And at the same time, just because one rapper did it, don't mean all rappers did it. So let's not throw that at the feet of everybody. That is ain't cool and it ain't right.
So that's that is so important, and really quickly because share responsibly. Just because you see something somebody wrote something like make sure verify your sources, seek information from reliable, responsible sources. And Will just pointed out we have no record of jay Z standing with Trump or endorsing Trump's presidency and some of these to your point, right, is that we have not seen anything like that. So so again, when you say things like that, it's important to make
sure that you're accurate. And I just want to point out to the point of fat Joe, I echo everything you said, Angela. Fat Joe is obviously in the Puerto Rican community. I believe he lives in Florida. It's a solid red state. Fat Joe holding the Trump sneaker is
not going to win the election for Donald Trump. But I think Angela makes a good point Andrew in that influence, I don't think that you know, Listen, most black people, I just hate that, like we that the media reduces black men like they're gonna see Fat Joe holding a sneaker and if they're.
Gona vote for Trump.
Most people are not looking to gen X rappers for how they're going to vote.
But I don't want us to buy. They're looking at like I don't want.
To donate to his I don't want to donate to his legal donate to exactly. But we're looking at these rappers like you look a You look a fool when you when you stand.
We're looking at you like.
That's right. That's just real quick for joy I think she was saying. She was saying, even though he stood next to and and engage with with jay Z and she listened to some others did not.
I don't even want us to say that that did not happen. But it did not happen. That's why you didn't see it. It has never happened.
I get it what I think she's referring to. For instance, just like you've seen the Clintons in the same place location where Donald Trump has been, maybe there were New York events. Because she is in New York, she may have seen them at the same place and thought that they were. So I just want to I'll put that in its own perspective. But I agree with you, Angela. If it were sit down meeting and a pat on the back and you go do this, that ain't happen.
We haven't seen that. But I will say you're your Your comment around the celebrity piece really hits close to me because I do think that they have the influence to help move people to the polls, keep them from the poles potentially, and maybe and shape ower person may vote. I don't know for sure, but I will say this, y'all. Celebrities largely got more money, more resources, live in a different world than you and I get to live in.
And so I don't think it's beyond the pale for people who are wealthy in this country to be lightweight side with Trump here or there. Possibly, I don't know for a fact, but possibly, but know that they are motivated by different set of reasons, then you might be
motivated when you go to the polls. Furthermore, if Trump is using selling Hawking some plastic orange or yellow slash gold and pale sneakers as his entree into the black community, and why you ought to vote for him, or if he's he's he's pitching you on the fact that he got a mugshot and therefore we ought to be in solidary andrew with him. They just know, y'all, that that is the lowest hanging invisible fruit there ever is to
compel anybody to be for you. Which if you want me as your voter, come to me with some public policy that is going to alter my life in such a way that I earn more that I am able to start a business as a minority and get some grant and loan assistance that takes it there. But this this stuff that this man is doing as a way to outreach to people of color, and more specifically black folk, y'all, we are to all be outraged and insulted, but you know what entree to us. Yeah.
Let me well, before we go on, guys, I just want to remind people what Donald Trump actually said. So take a listen to what he believes is his appeal to the black community.
We've all seen the mugshot, and you know who embraced it more than anybody else, the black population.
It's incredible.
You see black people walking around with my monk shot. You know, they do shirts and they sewn for nineteen dollars apiece.
It's pretty amazing.
Angela, Listen, I'm gonna tell you something that's not gonna be popper. We have a lot of people who are motivated and inspired to go to the polls for some really interesting reasons. There was a time in our electorate where someone who appeared to be the first real shot we had at a presidency after the ways, the many ways in which Reverend Jackson paved the way right, But we knew that that was even a long shot. Barack Obama ran on hope and change, change we could believe in.
It wasn't substantive policy. It was the hope that America could actually finally serve us. And then there are these other folks and and and we have to be really careful with like, well, rappers don't really move the needle. There's a reason why there are surrogate operations in every campaign, from the mayor to the governor to the president.
It does move the needle on some things.
I am insulted by the direction in which Donald Trump has taken this thing, but I'm not going to be intellectually dishonest and say that broad stroke themes don't work to move bodies to the polls. Shame on him for saying that his mugshot was enough to move a base. But I think the real thing is, and this might be a whole ass ted talk podcast that we need to do to unravel it. There is something remarkable about someone who can relate to the many challenges that we've had.
It is not Donald Trump, to be super clear, but I think that it is highly worth considering. As someone who is a student of political strategy. What it means to find someone who is has been othered. What it means to find someone who has had to pull themselves up by their bootstraps after they found some boots that they could actually afford.
What it means to.
Really like be one of the people who was ostracized and not really allowed, you know what I mean? Like, what does it mean to have this person who really understands the plight of a community that has been so marginalized despite our significant contribution. And I think there's language at play that he has effectively used to reach some of our folks who haven't felt heard in the process. The problem is, I need y'all to understand what gas
lighting is. This isn't hope and change you can believe in. This is someone who is praying on you. Not praying, praying, pouncing on you where you've been most vulnerable, playing like they understand what you're saying.
Have you ever been in a relationship with a.
Dude who has never heard you and then all of a sudden, when you're about to walk out that door, the dude starts telling you everything you ever told him.
They're like, you know, when you.
Said such and such and so and so, I feel you I get it, I got you, I'm with you, and they're all that, and then you're like, oh, okay, he really gets it.
I finally feel heard.
And then you go back, why is Angela telling him? Listen, but we gotta nail this so we get it right, so we can see the demon coming.
That is what he's doing.
And then when he gets you, boo boo, he gonna say, actually, you I am still the lawn order president.
Your ass going back to jail for nothing.
When he gets you, he's gonna say, I do still think Harriet's ass deserves to be on a two dollar bill and not a twenty. When he gets you, he is gonna say, I do think you should be shared cropping and not holding shares in this corporation. When he gets you, he's gonna say, actually, grab them by the vagina, don't let them have IVF, don't let them have an abortion. I don't care if there was rape or incest involved. And on top of that, fuck your birth control. That's
what we're dealing with. He's saying all the right things, but he's doing it for all the wrong reasons. He hope your ass stays at home. He hopes you go to the polls and votes for him. He hopes you get a Nigga for Trump t shirt and then you are booboo the fool. And I don't think that we're that dumb. Prove me right that we're not that dumb. I didn't cussed, I didn't got in trouble with my pastor my mom and daddy and all that.
But that was necessary. A lot of people listen to the podcast who ain't bad about it.
Andrew was a bishop today now all the time.
I have a question for you guys, though, because this is a point of disagreement, and I may be the cheese may stand alone here because Andrew you made this point. Angela made this point. Andrew you're saying celebrities have an influence. Angela you're saying rappers can sway people. I am trying to think if I've ever been moved by a celebrity on a policy of position.
You know that not.
Right?
Right?
Right?
So that's my question, like who is the population? You guys think, who is almost everybody? But the reason why this nuance point when I don't know about that, because the reason why this is such an important point because I think the media gets this wrong so much. My grandmama wasn't never moved by a celebrity. My unts weren't never moved. But there are To your point, If you guys are saying that, I just wonder who are these people?
And I want our viewers when you guys listen to this and way in do you know people who are moved by rappers or celebrity? Have you ever been swayed by a rapper or celebrity on how you cat celebrity?
I agree now I'm just hearing this.
I mean I think yes they do have. Angela mentioned the fact that there is an operation side of every campaign that has ever run that is likely been successful. Where you have Sarah Getz who come and they do it for a number of reasons, one of which they want press.
But are theyties?
Yeah, I mean my campaign did it. I'll tell you we had everybody who would come, everybody, and in part because we knew that different people took their marching orders, took their influence from different folks. I am not for everybody, Angela, you are not for everybody. Tiffany, you are not for everybody. We are not even as wide diverse and divergent opinions as we may have as as as I think model
a person. The both of you are different. Folks look different places to get influence, and they find to find influence. And that's why there's an influencer culture, because we know that there are folks who do things based off of what other people say. That said, Angela, your points were brilliant, And the only thing I have to say is that I think if he is communicating, if he is that man that you're about to walk away from, who then starts viewing the right things as if it's been there always,
he didn't do a good job at spewing it. I'm talking Donald Trump, just the overwhelmingly obvious tokenizing way in which he does and says what he says. Because I agree with you, Angela, I opened myself up to a
whole new round of people after being indicted. I didn't know it was a thing, but there were people who said, man, I wish you were governor, and I wish you had done that thing, and this is that and a third But bruh, you know, you now know what the man does and what they do, and you're not fool and
so it signaled something different. However, I had and unpacked of conversation about the for larger the criminal justice reform, because it shouldn't be that you've got to hire a million dollar lawyer and be a former elected official and a former you know, a party leader to be able to fight back against a system that trounces on us every single day. Right, this man didn't do that. He just said I got a mug shot and mugshot and
y'all ought to be with me. The blacks are out there with me because my face because I went to I have a mug shot. That's not sincere. It is nothing but tokenizing. And for those who buy that bait, maybe you get what you deserve. But the problem is if you're getting what you desider, I'm sorry, but you getting what you deserve puts your foot on my neck
and that of my children and my children's children. Yeah, that's why it's so important that we take this thing for real and for serious, because it ain't just about you. The implications will impact you, please believe, because everything Angela said is right, but it's going to impact more than just You can limpack the communities and the people you care about the most.
Really quick on well, speaking of impacting the community, I just want to say under the Trump administration, because you talked about cj our criminal justice reform in a day, his ag at the time, Jeff Sessions brought back mandates and that was a huge thing that devastated the black community. I also just want to make the point that when you guys are saying celebrities as validators, I think community validators can also be your book for it can also be your sororities of your friend brothers.
Right.
So I just wonder I really want to hear from the audience.
I know you don't want to hear it from me no more.
But I got one more thing on the Syriaca just because we went I know we went a lot longer on this, but I think it is yea, it should be something that we unpacked point by point on another pod, but surrogate operations aren't because that person in and of themselves saying I'm going to do this, therefore you better. Although it might if Beyonce goes and says I'm going to do this, therefore you better, maybe it moves bodies to the polls. She did it with Bejo. It didn't work all.
The way, but maybe if she was any.
Yeah, that's true, but it you know, but we had a concert for you the night before the election, and people still went to vote for you, Andrew in the rain, you know what I'm saying. So like, there are people when that that have the function of moving bodies to the polls. But you know what, I think the bigger purpose of a surrogate operation is to bring in people to do no harm. There are people that stepped out against Andrew. I will never forget Luke Campbell.
And it wasn't against you. It was for yep.
It was for the mayor of my It was in Miami Beach, yeah, Levine, Yeah all right. And I was so like, how could you do this when a black man was running? Luke said he didn't know Andrew was running. That couldn't could indeed have been the case. Andrew was running on a shoe string budget in the primary. He was making it happen. But I do think that the most important thing that a surrogate operation could have is a provision of doing no harm, bringing enough people to
do no harm to get educated about it. So when not, since it's put on social media, they're in a position to push back a little bit. That is I think the initial purpose of serrogus, but they do move bodies not only to the polls, but to do no harm.
And since you bought it, and I think that's tweeted this past week.
Yes he did what he said. Trump, he said tump, though I need somebody to spell.
We all go from this point on, ain't and look at these look at these questions I want because so many people waited in a lot of people have things that they wanted President Biden to address in his State.
Of the Union.
Than by the way, I'm going.
To get those people.
Yes, thank you guys, Yes, let's roll that and then we'll talk about it.
Native lamb Pod thank you so very much for this called the action. I am Manny's millennium mouth, huge fan. And what I want President Biden to address at the State of Union is the fact that we're only two months in twenty twenty four and already eight school shootings have occurred, and every time the topic of gun control is brought up, the pushback is from the people that claim they are so pro life, and they'll say, what about the protection as the Second Amendment? What about the
protection of our children? Parents are sending their children to school to get an education, and instead they're getting a healthy hospital bill or they're getting a funeral service.
You know why she picked this question, Andrew.
Because she's interviewing for the fourth Oh You.
Baby Park Atlanta Park at LANTAA.
How about shout out to OH every show. Yeah, I'm an honorary I'm an honorary doctor from Pluck Atlanta.
You really know.
I love it.
I love it.
Thank you, c A Vonn and our brother. What do you guys think about it? I do just want to put a little news here. This week, the Supreme Court is considering banning bump stocks. You guys remember of that horrific shooting in Las Vegas. The Trump administration surprisingly issued a ban on bump stocks. It's been banned since twenty eighteen. There is a chance this week that the Supreme Court
could overturn that and reintroduce bump stocks into society. I don't know why anybody would do that, but that is happening this week. But what do you guys make of his question?
I didn't really feel like he asked the question. I think he told us exactly what he wanted to do.
Back here.
Thought he was interviewing for the fourth co host, I'd like him.
Well, he was saying, what about the protection of the Second Amendment? What about the protection of our children? How but there are a lot of black people who you know, there are plenty of black people who are Second Amendment advocates.
There are plenty of black gun a moment, can we have both?
Especially in that Bible bell in the South, like my uncles think, it's so strange that I live in the house and I don't have.
A gun, and they're like, you have a gun. You need a gun?
Right pop a ride look like he packing. So I just wonder, but is there how do we balance that with all this this gun violent school shooting And is gun control legislation going to stop these mass shootings? I believe it will. It will limit it. I don't know that it will bring it to a speeching, not a hope.
But yes, what from the world, and there is not another developed nation in the world that confronts the level of gun violence incidents that we have here in the United States in a single month of the year. We can't find another country that has had that many violent gun violence related incidents and mass shootings. Then a one
year analysis in their own countries. So there's something special, particular and unique in this country about our gun toting culture that is uncomparable, uncomparable to any other place in the world. It is a problem. We all have to
know it now. Why it is that we have folks in Washington, DC who are so entrenched, as the brother said, who are so pro life, but don't care a thing about life once it's out of the womb, care a thing about it, right, do nothing to advance life beyond the speaking point, the talking point, the political advantages of it.
And I'll just say, look no further than the humongous lobby that exists for guns, largely the National Rifle Association, the money that they put into campaigns and elections, and you will get your answer, all right, money is the guiding principle here. That's what they want, that's what they're after. Many of these folks don't carry guns themselves, they don't have them in their homes themselves. Yet they're out here advocating what our founders and framers could have never conceived of.
And that look back then, if you shot a gun, you had half a chance of shooting yourself. That was the technology of the day. They did not consider that you could have a gun then in a matter of seconds, seconds could strike down twelve people. They never conceive.
Yeah, all right, Angela, you got another question for it.
I won't President Biden into it. Dress why he is willing to give ninety five point three billion dollars to Ukraine and Israel, ninety five point three billion of our tax dollars to foreign countries instead of dealing with the problems.
That we have here at home.
We have student loan.
Crisis, we have an education crisis, we have an infrastructure crisis, we have a healthcare crisis. We have black unemployment crisis, we have a black wealth crisis. Do you realize that ninety five point three billion dollars is the same as given three million Americans thirty thousand dollars worth of relief from their student loans.
I don't feel like he's asking a question. He's yeah, he made it plain, he's super clear. It's a great proposal. I don't mind it at all. I'm always for relief, financial relief for our people we need it, and certainly for reparations, even though this wasn't a reparation proposal. But I think our folks did a great job of weighing in with what they wanted to here from President by and in the State of the Union address.
Hopefully his team is taken note.
Yeah, yeah, I'm but Andrew, what do you what do you think about what he was saying about this aid that we are look a big issue that we just saw play out in the Michigan primary is we are funding a lot of what we see the IDF doing in Gaza and a lot of people feel very uncomfortable with that. Do we think that will have an impact in the general and what would what would he say about that or what could he say about that during the State of the Years to put maybe put the people's at ease.
But I don't think people will.
I think he could say a lot, but it would be more important that if his words would actually carry sway with uh Benjamin Nett Yahoo versus basically going into the ether and not really having an impact. We see the country American taxpayers, of course funding has funded largely Israel's security, UH sense its independence and and I don't. I don't. I don't take issue with that at all.
And by the way, I think student loans and student loan debt is an issue that out of stand on its own two feet, and the President does have a proposal in that regard, and what we have to worry about is whether the Supreme Court is going to take a machete hatchet to it and strip that program down to the point that it doesn't exist unless the Congress
gets their act together and passes it. The one thing that I neglected to say earlier when we talked about the results in Michigan is that outside of Dearborn, Michigan, where we have the largest concentration of Palestinian Americans, the other constituency that is terribly shaken by watching what they see happen on their TV screens over there are young people. And I'm not talking about young people concentrated in Michigan. I'm talking about young people everywhere around the country. They're
coming out on college campuses and the neighborhoods. And Justice's brother did with the question to say, what are we doing? They are acting as a matter of conscience, and young voters, let me tell y'all, they ain't stupid. They don't have told what to do, when to do, and so on and so forth. For them, they are acting as a matter of conscience, and they don't believe that conscience resides in any one party by itself. They believe that conscience resides based off of what you do, from action to
action to action to action. And so I feel that and I just you know, I'm proud that they're engaged and involved. And I hope that the President, frankly, is able to deliver more than lip service in a state of the Union such to the point that circumstances change on the ground.
All right, thank you guys for submitting all these questions. We have one more coming right up after this break, So don't go anywhere. We'll see you on the other side. Okay, our last question it comes from Akiva.
Let's see what Akiva has to say.
Hi, I'm Akiva, say and said, I'm a'ma Southern college and we're in an africanis ultilodox class. And our question today is how do we convince a single mother who's TAKS sixteen hundred dollars client test creator is nice but not sufficient for the young man with the felam in conviction that the ability to vote or not get him housing, employment,
or restore his serenity. More importantly, how would you convince those of us in college who see mountains of their lower waste jobs and higher cost of living that voting in this or in election will change the way we currently see our futures.
Well, what do you think?
Well, what I say is the president should answer that and and and through it and and by the way, I think we'll have a good answer on a number of those of those issues. But I think the broader point, and it's well taken, it is that everyday, people who go out and cast a vote expecting that their lives are going to change, to shift in some really demonstrable way as a result of having done so, expect to see it happen. And the only the thing I would
add to it is it should happen. And in truth, many of those issues can be addressed through public policy. Problem is is that it takes a cooperative house, co operative Senate, a president prepared to sign it and go to bat for it. And that's just part of the process.
I don't want anyone to walk away thinking that their vote didn't matter or didn't count because their their thing or one of their things didn't get cured over that particular person's you know, time in office just know that politics requires the long game, even though elections are every two every four or so years. It requires not the patience of job we ain't got, we ain't got to wait for they long years. Uh, in a process that that should be responsive, but it does sometimes take time.
Don't give up based off of of of of of of unfulfilled efforts. It just means apply more pressure. And guess what pressure bursts pipes, which is why it requires our involvement in the process.
I love it. Thank you for that, Andrew.
I'm gonna sympt us a little bit, uh and talk about politics are everywhere because they are this week.
Here's the question where's the beef? I might I know I'm not the only one to remember my commercial where's the beef? Yes? Well, I got beef with Wendy's.
The fast food giant is expected to roll out serge pricing, which is similar to what Uber does, so essentially, demand will determine how much we pay for food the A spokesperson for the company said this could start as early as twenty twenty five, and they're going to be testing a variety of enhanced features on digital menu boards like this. I gotta tell you, guys, I do not like this at all. Well, this is why, because first of all,
I don't eat a lot of fast food. But when you consider where our people live, I think it's like one out of every five black people live in a food desert. So it's not like they got a whole foods on the corner or fresh produce, you know, around the block. And so sometimes their meals come from these convenience stores or bodegas or fast food chains. And then when you look at the well gap and how that packs our people, Black communities are more likely to face hunger.
And so I think at twenty two nearly twenty three percent of black people in this country, in this very wealthy country, experienced food and security.
And so this just to me seems like corporate greed.
I don't like it at all. I think nearly nine million black people cannot have no access to a healthy lifestyle restaurant, et cetera. So we were talking about this in our group chat, and our good friend doctor Jason Johnson said, well, the employees get paid more during those those times, and right, it just I don't know, And there was some reporting today.
I don't know if you guys saw this.
It was about Family Dollar and they were fined forty one point six million dollars because they were storing food in places that were rat infested and selling it to customers and people knew about it, and they just did it. And so this just seems like another way to crush our people.
I just don't like it, do you guys have?
I mean, I'm just saying so. The CEO of the company says they detest the word surge. They don't mean the comparison between them and Uber. In fact, they didn't even mean higher prices. I just want the CEO to use the word that they preferred was dynamic. They said
their proposal is dynamic pricing. And I'd like the CEO to just use the word dynamic pricing in a sentence, maybe a few sentences, so that we could get a better understanding of you didn't mean higher prices at different times or lower prices at different times, then what is what exactly is dynamic pricing? Please? And by the way, to Wendy's Twitter, when I used to read it, it used to be off the chain, very you know, very
direct and honest. I don't know what they're saying about this, but y'all got to correct this thing real quick because I don't know what dynamic pricing means.
Right, nobody does, and they say it isn't. This is according to their spokesperson who told us a Fox UH Business reporter AI enabled H. Well, what they say is AI enabled menu changes and suggestive selling based on factors such as weather. So this is another area where AI will influence even our food product. I mean, this is it's it's a bigger deal than I think they are making it. But Wendy CEO Kirk Tanner announced this on an earnings call. So I just want to say I do not use it as a sentence.
Use it in a sentence.
Yeah, let's move on.
I want to take us back to the dirty, dirty, the dirty South UH and talk about what is happening with these attacks on DEI. I want to give a shout out to the good brother Randall woodfin down there. So let me first tell you all what the story is. So there is a bill that passed in the Senate that will essentially kill any DEI funding state funding to go to schools, So any de I programs, they won't exist.
Now take a listen to why Senator Barfoot, who is a Republican obviously who says why this is problematic.
Those offices that would be abolished in this legislation certainly are some of the office that we're promoting the divisive type concepts.
So he's saying, DEI is divisive.
Mayor Randall wood find he's mayor of Birmingham, a Moorhouse College alum a member.
Of Alpha Phi Alpha.
He said on social media that if state lawmakers passed this bill barring diversity, equity and inclusion programs in state's public schools and universities, he would encourage parents of minority student athletes to select colleges and states where diversity and inclusion are prioritized. This is a huge way for young people to exercise their power. Andrew, a lot of athletes come out of Florida. It's a big football town. I'm curious your thoughts on this.
Sometimes we had like a town but yeah, Firth, good state. We have some town mentalities sometimes. But you know, the point by Mayor wood Fin is well taken. And we know that we know that the self produces a great number of athletes. We know what percentage black athletes, black men particularly and black women take up in the various fields of sport, and it could be used as a real leverage should folks collectively decide, you know, decide to do so. I would just say the diversity and equity,
equity and inclusion is becoming a bad word. And if we don't figure out a strategy very quick, fasten in a hurry to help put into contexts the ways in which if you aren't thinking about us, if you are not talking about us, then we are not a consideration. If we don't call out the ways in which these disparities exist and then create ways to close that gap. The only thing I can take away from you is that gap doesn't matter to you. And that's what these
legislators are trying to communicate. That gap doesn't matter to them. It's never mattered to them when these who came after George Floyd. Let me tell you, it of course matters. I'm saying for those folks who are putting in place like in my state, an end, a ceasing of diversity and inclusion programs, funding targeting in that direction, the ending and obliteration of affirmative action, and so on and so forth. If you don't count it, it doesn't exist.
But it matters to them. The reason why they're trying to stop it is because it matters to them. They're afraid of it. Do you see what I'm saying.
They are afraid we are so what I'm saying, they don't want it because it doesn't as far as the priority is there concerned.
It matters to them.
And let me tell you how much it matters to them that they would go even further in Senate Bill one twenty nine further than the Stopwoke Act in Florida to expand divisive concepts to include funding and recognition even for a black student union, that they would go that they would go so far as to say, and this I think is consistent with Florida's HB seven that any author who expresses that they feel complicit in past wrongs
because of their identity or historical documents demonstrating historical perspectives on race, gender, or class, those readings, essays, books, and films would be prohibited. They cannot assign them. They don't even want to talk about like slavery.
What slavery?
That's just we were all roommates living together, being fed well, sleeping well, and sharing the same land, just working on it for fas Joe didn't.
Want to say dow here that if you call a person a racist that you can be sue for liable.
Yes, yes, I'm what I'm saying is and so if I know how frustrating HB seven and the impacts of it in Florida have been to you, I'm telling you how the BAMA made it bigger. So one of the things that my dad has been saying for many years is that he is eager to see athletes not just when they're existing and making money for the schools in the races South Confederate South, but also the schools who exist in covert practices of racism even in the North.
He's like, all of these black athletes need to go to HBCUs. This is why he's called for that for so many years. Senate Bill one twenty nine is horrible. I Mayor wood Finn, you know I reached out to you and asked for a video. This is why I knew we were going to talk about on this podcast. We talked about it on the Breakfast Club. It's major. I would love to see the African American mayor's associations stand together with him in this The CBC to stand
together with him in this. For the one governor, we got Wes Moore to stand with him in this, and hopefully we can get some things move in a different way. Andrew, I think you said earlier in another way, but DJ Quick said it best. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. We need to make sure that we take our dollars somewhere else because they're not respecting our person.
That's a remix on doctor King.
That's real.
Can I just put into context the dollars. This is according to the latest reporting. It's kind of I think it's from twenty seventeen, so it's probably more. But about twenty six percent of the popular Alabama is black. Eleven percent of the students at the University of Alabama are black. In twenty seventeen, about eighty percent of the starters of the twenty seven seventeen football team were black. The head coach at the time, who you guys know, Nick Staban.
He was the highest paid employee on campus, earning more than eleven million dollars annually. The next three highest paid individuals at the university were assistant coaches, all white. The football players were not paid, so they are willing to profit off our bodies, a very American thing to do, but not prioritize our equality and inclusion. Another thing, Angelo, to your point about the legislative body and the roles that we play. When Scotus struck down affirmative action, they
made a key exception for the military. I thought that was very telling. It's okay to consider quotas as they
would call it for the military. And I, just as we close on this topic, want to say what Justice Kontanji Brown Jackson observed, the Court has come to rest on the bottom line conclusion that racial diversity and higher education is only worth potentially preserving in so far as it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not.
In the boardroom.
So we got a lot of work. Were still in the fight. Were still in the fight, y'all, Still in the fight. All right, let's take a quick break. We're gonna be right back after this break. All right, Welcome back, everybody. Welcome home, y'all. Native Lampard. I'm kicking it to our resident attorney. She's an occasional medicine woman because she sent me a care package, but she's gonna put her attorney hat on Angela. I you know, I am not as
vested in this funny case as you. I want to know what the ladies is in this case, and I avested, but I hate that it's about her. I'm like, is he is still the person who broke He.
Is still the person that broke both the law and it's not a whole case. She's not on trials. There is a fearing about her conduct. So I want us to be very you know, I'm very serious about being careful.
Well, they're trying to make like that. I have to be better with my words and more responsible. This is a hearing. She is not on trials. She did not break a law.
It is not the only thing broke. It is to see if she can right. You're not sure, Well, they're not even. The question isn't even if she broke. If she perjured herself, we have a challenge. If she perjured herself, we have a significant challenge.
But nonetheless, the question at hand is whether or not Fannie Willis and the Fulton County DA's Office writ large will be disqualified from prosecuting Donald Trump and his eighteen co defendants.
It's nerve wracking. You don't want any distraction.
You want this thing to go forward, because you were like, let's just get to the testimony, let's present all the evidence. But right now, the only evidence that anybody's considering is what when Nathan Wade went to her house for the first time, when they started texting, what they were texting.
That's likely to come up later on this week. By the time this pod airs, they'll be prepping for that, and apparently Nathan Wade's business partner, Terrence Bradley, was on the stand on Tuesday, and right now we're going to take a listen.
That's a simple question, mister Bradley, you're a lawyer. Did you lie to miss Merchant when you told her facts about mister Wade and missus Willis's relationship, Not.
That I recall. I don't recall. I mentioned earlier that I speculated on some things. I've testified to what I did know, so I can't recall whether or.
No.
Mister Bradley's speculation is kind of a weasily lawyer word.
Let's speak truth here that you're under a the argumented it. At this point, you're on a relevant question, mister.
Brads find the question, mister Russ, mister.
Bradley, when you're communicating different details of the relationship between miss Willis and mister Wade to missus merchant, did you lie to her about any of those details?
Conjection has to answer the life.
I don't think he's answered you.
I don't recall ever.
Whether any of it was a liar or not.
Okay, So here you have Yeah, here you have someone who's under oath. He's trying not to perjure himself. At least this is the appearance. I'm not gonna say anything. He appears to be trying not to perjure himself. Do not recall is normally a safe bet. And at some point in his testimony he references the fact that he speculated. And this is the thing that I want to say to you as a black woman in this country. And then I'm gonna put my lawyer back, lawyer hat back on.
The thing that I want to say to you as a black woman in this country is shut your ass up.
Now back with my lawyer. Had I'm gonna say, you know, this is really this presents a real issue.
You don't want to have someone speculating on your relationship and then putting you more in the crosshairs of something, creating more of a distraction. And what is I know, Fani Willis's biggest trial of her life, Nathan Waye's biggest trial of his life. You do not want to be the distraction. This is why a lot of folks don't take cases like these, because their personal lives aren't above approach.
I'm not saying they're not, but right now we got a little bit of smoke.
Well, I'll tell you I watched the entire hearing yesterday. The brother said in an undisputed way that he did not have any personal direct knowledge of when the relationship started. So if what we're trying to get to is a definitive on the date of when it started in the end of twenty nineteen or in January, February or March of twenty twenty, he couldn't provide that. So I know the records on Friday, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Do you know why he was on the stand?
I do know why he was, understand because he texted.
Text messages speculating.
For sure and all.
He shouldn't have done that.
He should not have done that of course he shouldn't have, but he seemed all too eager to want to throw himself into that. Now, mind you, this is also a lawyer who parted ways with Nathan Wade because there was an allegation at the firm of sexual assault or misconduct
by this gentleman. And so we've had two face to face witnesses who have who had put themselves into a position of being a fact witness, who both have access to grind with the two principles that subject here, mister Nathan Wade and of course UH District Attorney Fannie Willis, so the only two people who supposedly saw her or done anything done. But between these two people are both compromised. He was completely and compellingly unconvincing and uncompelling in his
testimony yesterday. But I have to tell you, I can't see why bar bar Georgia attorneys would make statements and profit profess before the court and other filings that that that they have done something or didn't do something that actually can be proved that that occurred and perjured themselves and they lose their bar license. I don't know why. Three not counting including him, now three bar attorneys would
do that. So it's just I'm sick of the fact that I feel like the judge by going down every rabbit hole, exposed every rabbit hole, I think is expanding this way beyond the scope that is necessary and required. Because doing that, the judge, he's making.
The decision, but he's being asked by the Trump attorneys, And I think that the thing that we have to be mindful of is the thing keeps unraveling. The first issue at play was whether or not she financially benefited from this relationship at all. Then it started to become a parent that conflict of interest was even more at play. Now there's a third issue beginning to unravel, and that
is perjury. Yeah, but it is the responsibility of the judge to be impartial, to hear both sides and if they're like the reason why this took so long is because this man got on the stand, said more than he needed to say and then tried to rope it all back in. It is like, oh, actually, this is protected by attorney client privilege. Well, you already exposed yourself to violating attorney client privilege by oversharing on the stand. There had to be a separate conversation with the judge
about that they are making. There's a ton of unforced errors. I'm sorry, y'all, there are a ton of Andrew, you and I we are in agreement.
What I'm saying is every door that is open, every door that is apparently opened in this case is also summarily closed without ever reaching the determination that she had profited, that she had conflict, or that the relationship began outside of when she said so.
That's because the evidence is still being presented.
But every hole they can go down, and that the judge allows. He had to allow whether or not a phone records are going to come into play here. He had to allow whether or not he was going to strip the attorney client privilege back to uh uh not come.
After the attorney violated it on the stand. Though, I just I think we need to this judge. I'm gonna like you. You very rarely hear me defend a white judge. This judge has been very fair. He's been He checked them. When Fannie Willis was getting asked and answered the question over here, He's like, we've been down this, We're doing this with fine.
He didn't do it yesterday. Yesterday he overrode nearly every objection made by.
H because the guy was not answering the question.
No, because he was answering it, it wasn't to his satisfaction. Maybe it wasn't to his belief And therefore.
I mean, we just watched his testimony. It's hard for me to believe it there was. That's why my.
Thought I thought he was terribly unconvincing. All I'm simply saying is the judge has a complete amount of discretion on what avenues allowed that he allows to be open, and this man needed to be able to prove that he could be a fact witness. Here's sake is probably the.
Judge is probably being careful now because his contribution to Fannie Willis of one hundred and fifty damned dollars is now in question.
Like he hast be okay, he gotta be a person.
I think we could judge is certainly presenting himself as impartial on on on the side of the Trump defense. Certainly I think he is.
He can I well, can I just hop in here.
I just want to remind everybody that we have Donald Trump on asking elected officials to five eleven thousand votes while we are going over minutia of this woman answering what she could have, should have would have done. But the bottom line is these people try to upend democracy and that is a very serious charge and a serious issue. And when these two started banging old work should not be messing up her presenting this case. That should be issue in for this man trying to steal an election.
That's a very SERI.
Be clear that this act has now become a complete circus. What isn't act? Yeah, now become and it is nobody's one fault. But I can tell you Fannie could have nipped this in the bud. I'm sorry, Da Willis could have nipped this in the bud by never having hired this gentleman in the first place.
Given what maybe, but this is where we are, and I just I don't want to follow their narrative and what she's doing. The narrative is this man is on tape asking to find eleven thousand votes. That to me, it should always be there is you guys talking about well, but you guys talking about this has made me think
of another case, and that is of Marilyn Moseby. So I for those who don't know Marilyn Moseby, the attorney the Baltimore DA, former Baltimore DA who brought charges in the Freddy Gaate case great case, has now caught a case herself.
I want us to talk about that.
We don't have time because we're out of time this week, but maybe next week or or the week after.
You guys that I just want to say, just as you know, well, I know we're not at calls to action yet, but I think we're close.
Comes to call to action, perfect segue and will kick us off call to action.
Mine is Marilyn Moseby reflected what black prosecutors should look like as a state's attorney in Baltimore, and what I will tell you is my one ask is that these cases, there's two cases that she's caught. As sentencing come draws near, that the administ administration, the Biden administration, remembers the discretion, the full discretion it has to pardon people who have only been out to seek justice. The DOJ should have
never had her on their target lists. We talk about five thousand dollars, and we'll talk more about what this five thousand dollars is later, but there's no reason, no, she should never spend a day in prison. She should not be prevented from practicing law because this should not be on her record. Her records should be expunged, she should be clear, she should be completely pardoned. And that's my call to action this week.
Well where you know where I would be on that, because I think the the the the targeting of black elected officials who are impacting in significant ways on society, largely contrary to what the governing powers in different cities, counties, states, and this nation would like. And they are and they and they bring down swift response when they deem necessary. And I think this is the case we ought to illuminate for every listener out there in every part of
this country. We ought to be making noise about targeted prosecutions, that's for sure.
Yes, yes, all right, So was that your call to actually.
Oh well, my really was something was said I think last week Angelo, we were in that conversation about the video and you said, you know they're playing this on Fox News and I said, yeah, I know, but I don't know because there isn't a conservative outlet out there I necessarily listen to because it get hot, get heated. I'm going to ask that you all choose to join me.
Not you too, because you apparently already do, but that the listeners if you are like me and you can't really tolerate nonsense that we spend ten minutes this week deliberately listening to a well known or known about conservative outlet and just hearing what is said. Just give us ten minutes of it and let's see how we emerge from it. I'm gonna do it, and I'll share with
y'all how I feel. And I'm asking that I not be the only one going through this missive that others join me in trying to hear an opinion of voice, a thought different than their own.
Yeah, all right, thank you for that. I know we said a lot about Marilyn Moseby. We will fill in the gap when we talk about this. We want to give her the appropriate amount of breath that do this case deserve. So please join us. Next week we'll revisit this topic because it's a really big deal for us. Andrew, I completely respect you, I love you. You know that I am a black woman. I grew up Bisueia, Ohio
and Georgia. I know how conservative white folks think. Enough, I don't have a bit of any more intellectual curiosity about that.
I have lived experience with it, but you know, more power to those who want to do it.
So I try to give a call to action that's not really political, and so something that I'm working on that has been really challenging for me, and so I am inviting other people to do this with me is patience. On my way here, my Uber driver was like he was a slow driver. He couldn't find my building. You know, I was frustrated I was getting here. The people the front door were driving me crazy. I was just short
with everybody. And I think sometimes the universe sends me situations to teach me patients, to take a breath, to treat other people with grace, and we can easily forget about that, you know, when you're in a rush, you're trying to do something, and you know, try to think, like if this were my mother, how would I want someone talking to her? Because or my child, how would I want someone talking to them? So take a breath, be kind, extend grace to others, and it's kindness is
free and it's contagious. You know, sometimes I'm in a bad mood and I just walk outside my house around the block. Uh, and I pet dogs. That makes me feel great. But just seeing people smiling at people, it can make us all a better community. So just a lesson in kindness and patience. And look, I'm a work in progress, so that would be my ask. I love it some love, kindness and patience. Before we go, one quick thing, we have one final viewer question. We won't answer it, but just take.
A quickness able to Chris flow this video submission for y'all. Question for y'all, I'll keep it short. Where did you get the name Native lamp Podcast? What does it mean to be native to you? These people that say, you know, off of America. My dad has been from America. You know that's not necessarily being native.
Chris, welcome home. Thank you so much for that question.
We actually answer that question in our promo recording for Native LAMPID, but it's come up so much in questions in comments online. People ask about it when we go and talk about this show on air. Because of how much we've been asked about this, and you all want to hear our explanation of Native lampod. We're doing a separate mini pod episode that will drop this upcoming Tuesday where you can hear all about it and let us
know how you feel. Make sure that you download that episode, you watch it on YouTube, you talk about it in the comments, let us know what you think.
I love that. All right, Thank you to my co host for a pact show today.
Before we end the show, I do want to thank all of you guys for weighing in every week with your com on YouTube, your comments on our social media handles, your videos that you send, please keep them coming.
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