Us Against The World w/ KellyAnne Judd

did this episode. She got her lick back, okay, because Mama went into that elimination and was like, no, okay, okay, that's fine, that's fine, and she did what she needed to do. So shout out to both her and Grant. Somebody would have said my name, I probably would have herds them out down there. Or she slaid somebody the middle finger, Yes she did, and we're gonna find out

who Kelly Anne gave the middle finger too. Yes, But before we get into all of that, you all know we have our little segment of the king or queen of the world as well as someone who was on another planet. Whore your picks for this week, Anissa, I don't know who my king or queen of the world would be, Okay, glor Reverse listen, Nellie was on another

planet where there was no gravity. Um, poor baby. I don't know if he didn't hear anybody when they were like stop stopping her, But that's what he did instead of the momentum like things in motion, stay in motion, like he should have went with that inertia and just push baby girl into the thing. Huie was just there, just like just like a little flailing pizza. She wanted to fly so bad. She looked at the other She looked at Killian like I want to do what she's doing.

I want to do that. I want to be you when I grow up. But but Nelson knew how to run right in the middle. He got that part. He got that thing quick. I was like, come on, Nelson, but now, and you know, looking at this elimination, he was a little on the disadvantaged side, because height was your advantage in this in this thing. Um fran a little short here, a little short, and so you know, trying to run and hold the strap to sling her would have been better to swing her and then go

behind her and try and push like her actual body. Yeah, and get off the get off the string that was Her arms were short too, so well they don't they do it because it has to be able to be done. So if maybe they heightener. You know, they tested every single person in South Africa in the in like a twenty mile radius and said, hey, testers, we have this sized person and this sized person all the way up to theo's height. I'm gonna need you guys to all test out this one thing. Okay, do you have a

king or a queen of the world. I mean, Grant did take two back to back, back to back. You ran it back back to back, and TJ made it known. I was like, are you gonna acknowledge Johnny at all? Right? He was like, and you did well as you did well as well. Look at you, Johnny, you were there too, Puzzle put some respect on my name. It's like we're all watching a different show. Sometimes I feel like we're not all seeing the same things. My king or queen

of the world. It's actually Kelly in And I say that not because she won this elimination, but you know me, I love somebody that's confident and not afraid to show it. And she's having a conversation with Grant and she's telling he says, oh, you did great in elimination he's congratulating her for winning the elimination, and she says to him, well, I mean, yeah, I'm a legend. So and I was like, oh right, okay, together, like, well, what you expect me? And I'm the ship. Yeah I'm here, aren't I. I

thought that was so so so good. So she gets my Queen of the World this week. Planet I gotta give it to Nelson because I feel like friend had no strategy, Like I feel like he had no strategy. And then I also feel so bad because he tried to have a brave face for Hui, who's like super like, okay, it was fun right, right, and he's just like this challenge stuff means a lot to him, right, And so I think going in he had that mindset yet again, this is my chance, this is my time. I'm gonna

win this money. And so to have it taken away from him again, and you know, you could see it in his face. So I mean, but I'll tell you, it's so much easier to go out in the beginning than at the end, Like, oh, you didn't even have to put in a lot of work, yet you've only done one challenge. Yeah, so it's it's not as bad and it wasn't Fetsy, So there's also that, so thank gosh, dramatic, Yeah, it's not triggering. Well, we have a great interview for

you today. We have Kelly Ann on and she has a ton of things she'd like to get off her chest. Oh my gosh, she is going to spill the tea and tell us what really happened when we return after this break. Buckle up because it's it's gonna be a bumpy and when I say bumpey buffet bump by Flintstone bumpy. Yeah, but dap a dude like I was sorry. We'll be right back after this, all right, folks. It is that time in the podcast where we get to interview some

on special from this season of the Global Championship. Today where it on the street is we have somebody who's been involved in a little bit of some stuff this episode. It's a very, very very Kelly Anne heavy episode and we are happy to have a year Kelly Anne to talk about what the hell happens. I was anxious this whole episode. Yeah, I mean yeah, I sweat a little bit watching it, just slightly. Um. But there were some funny, funny time moments too. You know, but those are good.

Did you and John A? Well, clearly you guys have been friends and we were. We all did All Stars one together, so I think that's where the budding friendship came from, if I'm not mistaken. Um, did you guys walk into this game with a plan like we're friends, We're going to work together? No? No, we didn't. Um, we actually did not. On All Stars three, we did. It was the only person I came in with like a for sure worked other you know, like Kayla had message me like, hey, did you know help me out?

I was like sure. But the only person I was like really like, I'm working with you was Kendall and which again I had to have that conversation with Kendall at the point. The only person I ever had a conversation with ever was John A for All Sorts three.

But on this one, I just kind of felt like it was when you become close enough friends with someone, you just kind of you kind of know, you know, and and also though like there's times when you might not, even with a close friend, be able to help them out, and that is going to happen, so you know, like how Naya said, like, oh I love Kelly Am, but I'd prefer for Nelson to stay here because you don't know's team Argentina, and they were going to keep picking

them off as an excuse. So in that situation, you know, I understand where that has to happen, but we didn't have a conversation beforehand. No, I definitely think it's like one of those things where like, you have your friends and in the beginning, the easy decision is to not vote them in, and then when it gets hard or later, there aren't many people to pick from, so then I

could understand. I guess from your perspective, I mean, and just watching it not knowing, pretending that I don't know anyone on this show, but it I definitely seem to upset you, so do you. I don't think that friends shouldn't vote friends in. Um, you know, like you have a lot of friends on this show, Anissa, and gets kind of sticky in that situation. You might have your

very very very best friends. You can still have a lot of good friends and eventually you're going to be in a situation where that happens, or you know, you could your good friend could have a teammate. It's just not going to work with you, like things happen absolutely, you know, and to say, like I had said um on the show, I don't want to put my friends

in a situation that hurts their game. That's why on episode two, I told Amber and Naia and I told Durell, like, you know, guys, I don't have the numbers, you can say my name. Because you don't, You're just gonna be putting a target on your back for absolutely no reason. So you know, like I don't take it like West. You know, I was worried that I was mad at him. I wasn't mad at him. He could have asked me beforehand, you know, but like he wasn't targeting me. He didn't

you know, vote my name in. Like I know, I absolutely was not mad at him. For me, it's like, we don't have the numbers, you're not targeting me. It's okay, you can say me, but if I'm your friend and it really doesn't affect you in this early on in the game, yeah, it was. It's really fucked up. You know. I will say, like some people, some mistake and people will be like, oh, well, you have to cheat and lie to win these games, and you have to betray

your friends to win these games. But I've never lost because I didn't betray my friends. I've lost because I'm not good at puzzles. I've lost because of bad luck or whatever. But I have never not made it to the end or lost because I was loyal as a friend.

So let me ask you this, killy Anne, because you did say that you would never want someone that you care about, someone in general, to hurt their game in order to save you right, And you also said in this interview that you and John Ay never had any type of agreement coming into the house. It was an unspoken agreement on your end, but there was never a dialogue between the two of you. So why was it such a big issue for you that she could potentially

say your name? Like? Why was it a situation where it was like, oh, the friendship is over if it happens. Thank you for asking that questions. I'm sure a lot of people might ask that. So again, for me and people that I normally would consider people I would be friends with, I don't have to tell anybody I won't say your name again in the beginning of a game.

When it doesn't put my back against the wall in a very negative way, because that's just not how I play, and Johnny's and my friend for years, so she knows how I where I stand with that. But if she was to be like, hey, you, Kelly Anne said this ridiculous comment to Tori, which by the way, I didn't realize how bad that looked to watching it back last week, and I was like, bay of, So you know, if she even like it really puts the target back. Now.

If I don't say you, because they're like really scared to trying to come after them, I would have my feelings her, but i'd be like, oh, thank you for explaining that. If you really think that means they're going to come up for you next. If you don't say me, which I don't like. I talked to all of them, I don't believe that's what it is. I talked to every person on the USA team at some point after that.

I don't believe that would have happened. But if she really was like that's what they're telling me, dude, of course, I'd be like, you gotta do what you gotta do. John A, like I'm sorry I put us in that situation, you know, but on All Stars three, like I said we had an agreement, and later on I was during the show the whole time time. This is why, you know, John Aye had said I had some giving her quote

weird vibes, and and she would be accurate. She you know, said it was because I was upset maybe that she had won, which again, I would never be upset for my friend winning. I wouldn't even They're like, I've had so many great friends, whether Evelyn or Jody or whoever,

and I would never want the great strong competitors. I would never try to get rid of them because I think they could beat me in a final if they're my friends, because as we all know, you could be less of an athlete or less great puckles and still get lucky enough in a final to win, Like things happen all the time in finals. So I would rather if I don't win, my friend wins because I want her to do well. I want him to do well. I want to see them have their dreams because I

fucking love them. I love my friends. So to finish the question that you asked on All Starts three, I was told many times that John A was working both sides, and you know, and I started to really recognize that myself, but I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt.

And at one point I was really pushed by other people from the other alliance, like Sylvia and different people that I needed to put john A in when I got the chance to vote or else if I didn't, because they were like, we're going to vote her in either way, so you might as well just put her in and like proved us that, like and then we'll be kind to you, we'll work with you. And I was like, absolutely not, Like if you want to say Johnny's name, you go ahead. I didn't think they would though,

and by the way, so they didn't it. But I was like, I'm not I'm not putting john A in. I'm not saying her name, even if it puts a target on my back, right and knowing she was working both sides at that point and so she saw my loyalty.

Then after I finished the show, I saw how much she was working with him watching it back, and then I watched her talk bad about me to Kayla, and you know, saying I was eavesdropping like as if I could like hear a pass the Olympic sized pool, and that I was acting weird and that I was pretending to do yoga, like just really hurtful things. I didn't care if I heard the other girls talking about me. I really didn't. But when it came from john Ay, I just love her so much. It really hurt my feelings.

And she immediately texts me when it came out, and she apologized, but I was a little hesitant at that point. I was like, man, like you played me the whole time. I was loyal to you. Now for no reason you were talking that. Don't me saying I was scared of Kayla, like all these things, and I was so happy for you both times you won, Like I just it was really hurtful. And so I came on the show with my like guard up a little bit, being like, we'll just see how she treats me and we'll go from there.

So as soon as there was a question, I was like, it was for me. It was just like all of that coming up, and I was just like, boom, you don't fucking like me. You're faking me being my friend, which is really hurtful because I really do, to my detriment, really love so deeply. So and so that's where that hurt Prosodyeaody, I just want I wanted to understand if she really loved me as a human or she didn't

playing me for years. That's all right. That's why in the scene when you guys are having the conversation when she tells you she has your back, whatever, you guys have that talk on the grass, That's why I cried. That's what I was going to ask you. Were you crying because she was telling you she wasn't gonna put you in game? Relate? Now? Were you crying because that kind of gave you some type of confirmation about your

friendship with her. It gave me confirmation of a friendship where I was questioning it for about six months to a year, you know, So this is deeper than just this game. It was deep. Yeah, it was not the game. It was I don't I wasn't that worried about going in. I felt like maybe these all these fucking legends were just so great, and I was just proud to be there. You know, I don't want to go home that early, and I had a feeling that I could win, but

I was like, like win the whole thing. But I was like, man, I'm just lucky to be here, what the feelings were and the anger before and the feelings of that you saw him and I started to tear up. Was just I needed confirmation that she was actually my friend,

right right? Right? Um? Did you believe her when she told you after all was saying yeah, and she had a conversation with you and told you that she heard from someone that you shared the agree First of all, did you share the deal that you two met with anyone else? I didn't know. I didn't even tell my teammate. I didn't even tell my teammate. I purposely acted like I thought I was going in all day possibly, and I prepared myself mentally because even if she would didn't

say my name or granted it's my name. With these shows, you just never know if they're gonna be like surprised you're going in anyways, why I was still mentally prepared to go in. Um, but no man like I. Like I said, I thought I was like man because she even said, you're gonna see me have conversations with a bunch of people today. I just want to know where all their heads are it so I can get an idea for the whole you know, the rest of the game,

which is very smart. And she's like, but don't worry, like, I'm not putting you in. You have nothing to worry about. Grant will listen to what I say, right, And I was like, good, got it. And then there was this like point one percent, like I said, this is point one where I was like, wouldn't that be fucking crazy? If not? Like, nah, keep that out of your head. That wouldn't happen. I was like, but it could. You know? Did you know about the Nelly harrising? No? He told

me after it's stilly funny. It was really silly watch because it's Nellie. Well now, yeah, like he was doing something like he was like fucking James Bond. He was like, no, I put my hair up this way and I have one days dangling in the front. You know that I want Kelly Anne and Tristan down long and luxury my nostrils this much right right. It was hilarious. I loved it. I loved it. The thing is is, I was like, well, why are you getting nels and full brains that choose

you know again? You know? But also will it takes it takes the pressure off the person if they can add in the fact. Yeah, yeah, but I've done it. People have done it. It's one hundred percent. Oh no, one hundred percent. But not when you tell your friend, hey, I'm not gonna say your name to my or what you say, Hey, I'm gonna give Nelson the choice, or I'm gonna like figure it out as we go, or we're not gonna know till we're out there. That's what

you said. You if Jennie would have just come to you and said which I thought she did when she when you originally had the very first conversation right in the room where she said that you attacked her. You came in and attacked her, right, I want to get your later, yes, But in that conversation I felt that she basically let you know she doesn't know what she's gonna do, and it can go either way. I think that was her giving you a heads up that she could possibly put you in. But your response was a

little like what do you mean? Like we're friends, and you kept pushing the friend agenda, the friend friend friend friend, And so my question to you is if she would have just came to you straight on and been like, look, you're going in, would you have respected that more? Or would that have put added fuel to the fire. Well, I fothered out that myself a lot. Um, it wouldn't have had a fuel to the fire. No, it would

have been better than what I had been version. Um, if it was a different situation, if it was Kendall or something a Nissa, you know something, I would have been like, yeah, okay, you had to be honest with me. You had to tell me why. Okay, you can just be like because I don't give a buck about you, that's not but like you're like, this is what happened. You put trk in your back. You made it clear that you're not scared to go, you know, say someone

BIG's name. Like obviously when I was saying someone big, I wasn't talking about her and Grant. I didn't look at them as a big team. I looked at the mine like, yeah, they're good, but I didn't think they were the best, and I didn't think they were the scariest. And I wanted her at the end anyway. So again, like it wouldn't have mattered. Um, But you know, if she would have said that, I think if it was a different situation, I would have been super like, I

don't no matter why. I've been like bummed out a little, but I would have been upset and she said maybe so she would have just gave you. I wasn't spirling a fucking all. I was not even little bit. I finished when you guys want me to, when you want me to answer, I'll about you let me oh, okay, go ahead. Well no, so I wasn't spiraling like if you want to say I was spiraling because of getting put in. No, I was maybe holding in all of the feelings of dude, you've been fucking playing you this time.

I kept sticking up for you. Then I watched you talk mad shit for no reason about me. Then I forgave you. And now the first chance you had to protect me, you're not like that might have been a spiral of like me just trying to be like, yeah, I'm already fucking done with this. And if you would have her being if she would have had to say my name and like you asked me like, would I've been okay with it? If she did, I just had to say, look, this is we can put charmer on

your back. Yeah, I would have been better. It would have still hurt me, absolutely, it would have still put a bigger question mark and if we were ever really friends, whereas if it was like Kendall or one of my other regular friends who hadn't all already hurt me, I would have handled it very differently. Yeah, So, speaking of spiraling or lack thereof, there was a conversation that happened with Tristan and a couple of the other girls where the girls were calling you intense because of the way

that you were behaving. How did you feel going back watching that scene. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I I will say that I feel like it needs to probably knows about me. There are times where I'm always surprised by how I'm coming across. Okay, Sometimes I just come right to the point and I think that people look at it in a way that isn't how I intended.

Sometimes I say things where I'm just like yeah, like even just now, and you're like okay, I was like, no, man, there I go again, Like I just don't know exactly, and I'm just I am an intense person. At times, I'm very bubbly and cute and like everything's free and butterflies, and then there's this other high of me that's like but when I think like this, like this is how I think, and you know, I'm always open to hearing out people's thoughts. Yeah, but I'm also I'm direct, and

I think it does come across wrong sometimes. Yeah, I want to go all the way back because we have to deal with the fact that you have a partner. Right, You're not playing this game just as Kelly and by yourself. You have a partner. Two questions One, how did it feel being picked last on a scale of one to ten? How annoyed were you that you were picked last? And then also also how do you feel about Tristan being your partner? How did you feel at that time? I

wasn't annoyed at all that I was picked last. I knew as since there were rumors days before like oh they might be able to pick who's their partner. And I immediately was like, oh, that's gonna fucking fuck, you know, because like I assumed from the star, I get picked last. Like I mean, I'm one of the older women in

the house. I have never won, and I was, you know, a lot lighter and shorter than a lot of other women, and they're all just straight muscle, you know, Like I said, I didn't feel like I was you know, I was. I was from It was like, and I'm not good at sell him myself. They're like, what are you good at? Like, here's what I'm not good at, you know, Like, yeah, I don't know. So so I wasn't. I wasn't surprised by it, but um, I've never been picked last before.

But I've also never for myself in a situation where I had to get picked for anything. Um, So that wasn't annoyed. But I was like, all right, everyone knows my fear and it just happened. But at least I got that over with having Tristan as a partner. UM. I thought I got very lucky because he did win UK. He it seems quite an athletic and he was easy to talk to it. I had had some conversations with him just about life beforehand, and I felt like he was very similar to me and the things that he

cared about. UM, I didn't want him to get like at one point, I was like, ma, hash, I just go home. You'll be set, dude, But why would you do yourself? I feel like I didn't feel ready. I didn't feel ready. Yeah, but you're you're you think these things. I think that you're good at it just naturally and there's like a fire in you and I want to like do well where it's like you'll say that you can't or your doubt or whatever, and then I'm not I'm not in shape for this or I'm going through this,

and you still manage to do it. So it's like, I do appreciate that. So it's like I don't I don't care if if you say whatever. I know what you're capable of. So I really do appreciate that. I just wouldn't done anything except for leaving you with a lot of what ifs and not being able to save all of the dogs in the world. Yeah. Do you think when you say that you weren't ready that when you say that you weren't ready, do you think it's because mentally you're still kind of or you were still

kind of locked into All Star three? Yeah, girl, I think I was. I think I had just done so poorly at that final. I was really sick on All Stars three to night and I've been still battling with some of that and goes some waves and um, and I just said so poorly that you know, doing that bad and then getting picked last and then doing second to last on the challenge. I was like, year, I'll throw your raging and you know, you know, know your limits,

you know. So um I was. I was a little beat down on myself for sure, but I don't think that's why I was like spiraling to stay in. I was almost like, you guys should get me out of here. Let me have a good partner, you know. Um. With Tristan, I was concerned because he didn't get that puzzle, which is why he came in last. And I was like, well, you know it'd be great. It's like it was the he wasn't good at, but I'm really good at yeah, but hopefully the future and I'm good at some puzzles

like it. But you know, it's just under pressure in general, Like it's not it's not my strong suit. So you know, that was a lot. We need to take a quick break, just real quick, a little bit. Okay, don't go anywhere, We'll be right back after this. Well, let's get into this elimination, because I have many questions about this, this elimination, Kelly. And this made me think of bloodlines. When you had to stack the things I thought the same thing. Did

it trigger you a bit like off? Because that was I think I was happy I don't have to stack, because you know, like that was so silly, the stacking thing, because I was beating Jenna the whole time and then literally she just did and I put too much thought into it, and I was like, oh, I put this on to off with it, and then I'm a little shorter, so it'll talk to me. At least the trusting can

stack things and push things. Yeah, yeah, that definitely yeah, And there was definitely a way that who he could have held her body. She was really kind of far back on it and flopping around, so it didn't help. But no help help to when he stopped it every time. No, but he the reason he kept stopping it too is because um, yes he was doing it stupid as well, but also sometimes you got to stop it because she'd be going in the other direction and um, you know,

it's crazy. It's like I'm like, you know, we don't get to know exactly what the game is when we choose, but like you can we walk in and you can see it's a hype thing and there's like a swing and I was like, I could probably and I would. Just before we got anything, I was like, I bet you most likely I can beat any lest anybody here for whatever this is with my tall ass partner and my long arms and long, you know, tight body. I was like, I'm gonna be good my lightweight. I was like,

I'm gonna be good at this. And and I think that if he would have chosen Jody and Ben huh, I know why that makes sense why they didn't want to. But if he was like, oh, I'm just gonna wait and see what it is, it's like, you gotta whatever that is. You know, their weight is a lot more similar in size, so and then has a lot shorter. So it's just to me, it was like, what could it have been that you would have ever chose Ben

haw and Jody? If it was if you saw this and you chose us, that definitely was one of my questions because you can tell that height and armspan played a major part in this eliminius. Like there were times when am I saying her name right? HAHOI yeah, she was reaching, I did it. There were times when she was reaching and she wasn't even close like at all, And and of course we needed Nelsonson, but him even he's short, so trying to swing her it was just

like it was a total disadvantage from him. And then the strategy was off to strategy you and Tristan. What was the strategy? Was it just swing me and let me go? Um? Yeah, So he had to make sure the same thing, he'd get enough space from behind push forward. That was like twifting his rift because that's when you start to swing to the side too much, right, And for me, I had to kind of like when you're

on a regular swing, but you're now laying straight. You had to really move my weight like with the swing. So as you go back, I'd go back and I'd swing my body forward and I'd helped push you go further and I'd put my arms as straight as i could, my legs back as far as I cook. So I wanted to push through and you would in a swing when you when you swing up on a regular swing, you push your legs up as straight as you can

and then you push them back. You know, very similar. Yeah, right, you in in mid swing, as you guys, it's obvious that you're winning. Right in mid swing, you look into the crowd and you give somebody the middle finger was that specific or universal, but um, I think it was universal. I definitely was not to John Day. I don't even remember doing that. I'm sure it was just to everyone

in the place for for fucking saying my name. But I mean literally after the nominations, like going, oh, so stress up the nominations, I had like five different teams come up to me and be like, girl, you were I was thinking jokes the whole time. They were like, you were so funny, thanks for making that so easy. We really appreciate it, Like I was, really and as much as I kept my name called by people the whole time, I was really enjoying the house. I really

like the people. I was like, fuck you guys gonna say me, but like I'm enjoying around all of you, and I think they were enjoying thing around me as well. So I was having a good fun You can say my name if you don't promise me you will, and I can take it and we'll still be friends and we'll still have a good laugh afterwards for sure. Yeah, So where are you and John A? Now we're okay, we're on speaking terms, we're friends. We're friends, but it's

not the same. I think it's still fresh. You know, we're still I need to hang out there outside the show. On the show, I would say I can't imagine ever trusting her because well, I mean, even talking to her recently, she's not like, She's like, oh that was it wasn't appropriate for me not to tell until the end after you know, she didn't send any of that. So I'm like, well, I feel like having someone like your word means something in life. In the game it means something or else.

Everyone would just lie all the time, and you know it doesn't that doesn't make any sense. So in the game I couldn't. I don't think anyone should probably trust her because you can't believe she's actually gonna do what she says. That's a pretty big deal. But in life I still love her. I love her children, you know, I really I like talking to her. So I had this friend growing up. She would always hit on my boyfriend and she she was just hippie chick and it

was totally appropriate. I don't think she'd ever do anything. And if it wasn't a regular girl, i'd be like, girl, like, I can't be friends with you. You just being totally inappropriate. But with this particular woman, I was like, that's just who you are and and I love you nonetheless, and so I kind of feel like it's just an is similar. It's like very different in what I'm talking about, but simire the fact that you're like, I probably wouldn't put

up with anybody. But John as owned that, like this is how she plays the game, and I don't as long as you I don't catch her talking bad about me like she did with Kayla, like that just again was so unnecessary and painful for me as a friend to watch, But um yeah, I just wouldn't. I wouldn't probably be her alliant in the game, but I'm I'm still her friend outside the game until she tells me that like she just doesn't want to be right. I

totally get it, though. I get it because there are certain people like I really like them and I like spending time with them, but I don't like the way they play. So I you then have to kind of like it's just a game. So in the game, like I love who you can hang out, but we're gonna play differently. And then outside the game, we're gonna have drinks and go to dinner. And be friends. Yeah, yeah, and it totally time until after the show was over

to forgive her. Like actually, as the show was continuing on, I'll tell you, I got more and more angry, Like it was like festering more like emotions. Do you ever rebably have a breakup and then like after like my last break was so bad that like a year afterwards, I would just have things pop into my head and be like that motherfucker, you know, And I felt like

that's kind of what this one was. Like my heart healing and accepting like all the things that I had been ignoring, and I was like, this pisses me off, this hurt me, this hurt me, hurt this for me, And so it was like I kind of got more angry for a little while. But then once I was able to like heal from that pain, I was able to forgive her, truly you And but then now like I actually do forgive her, I don't understand that tactic. Like I said before, I've never not won because I

was a loyal friend. I never didn't make it to the end because I was a loyal friend. So to use as an excuse, it's just an excuse. Danny had made a statement that he's noticing in his opinion that the house is more so the friendship aligned as opposed to the country alliance. Right, would you say that there is a clear division? Was there a clear division inside of the house. Yeah, I think that it worked out. Danny was kind of doing his own thing compared to

a lot of us, for sure. Yeah. The countries were really just an excuse for people to be able to target you a certain way or for you to have that like built in alliance. And I think that like using that to your advantage was smart. But when you start off with lust players like Argentina or UK, it's like you can use it, you know, only so far and U. But USA was so strong and they had real friends like you have Casey and Tori, right, they're real friends. And yeah, Bananas, he's a real friend. Theo's

a real friend. So you're like, your country's your friend, but you also have that. Then Tor also has her outside that like Jordan and I don't know who else, but she was very protected by her country and by

outside of it. So you know, Danny, he was really he was really like he had a lot of thoughts judgments on people's close friendships because he wasn't really aware of them, and the academy to the commers too many people, but people also fall out on their own, like you can protect him and they still go in and go home. So it's like he was a little paranoid when really I think he should have been appreciative of how connected

his partner was. Oh, okay, because she was. You know, we spoke a little bit about it earlier, and I just kind of wanted to tap in and ask you, a girl, the conversation that you had in the room with Tori where you mentioned that someone from USA needed to go home. Now, did you forget that Danny was her partner? You really didn't care? Absolutely? Uh, that's solid question to talk about. Um. Yeah, exactly. Um, because it's

funny because Jody's like, she's Team USA. But I was talking to Tory and I said, I said, I refer to her as part of the USA. I said, you guys are the strongest. I was what I was saying. I know, it's you your USA, you know. Um, But that was actually at that point, yes, it was my That's where I said I screwed up. I don't even remember doing that until I watched and I was like yeah, um. But Tory brought it up later and I was like, girl, I don't know you're talking about And I was like, oh, yeah,

I guess I did. Um. But that was because I had already talked to to Bananas and I had already talked to West, And you know, we have less than ten minutes to get back from the Challenge shower eat do nominations, and then you got to be ready in thirty minutes to go out that night, you know. And I'm and you have to have this conversation. So it's like you look like your frantic, but really you're like, I got four minutes to do this. Of course I'm

fucking frantic. I can't even clay him four minutes and so ill and so um. I go in there room right next mind, I'm like, Bananas was the plant and Banana's I haven't been close friends. We had never really worked together, but we've grown up in a friendship as well, at not a real friendship, but like there is a friendship there. We have a love over all families. So I'm like, let me know, like what's the plan. I'll follow your lead And he's like, not telling me. You know,

I've talked to my teammate. It's like, oh, yeah, you're really gonna You're not gonna tell your teammates telling you what to do? Come on, um, And I know, like the solid thing you should know want to challenge is if you're not having the game the plan talked to you, it's because the plan is you. Yeah. So as soon as the plan was not talked to me, I go, okay, I'm the plan. That's why I was like, okay, got it. And then he's like, oh no, Johnny, like what's the plan?

And I was kind of my head. I was like, why the fuck is Johnny even in here right now? She's not even part like you know, and I was like, why why are we having this conversation? Is that Johnny, She's the person choosing like right like it just like don't fuck off guys, And so I knew at that

point it was me. And then I was being told by Team UK and Australia like, oh, everyone wants to put Tristan in because he had lost the time before and he got like a free out, so we're gonna put him as an excuse because he didn't have to go compete the time before four and then you guys came second to let Yeah, yeah, it was even they said, they're like, this is an easy tactic. That's why we're gonna say it. So I at that point it wasn't because I was saying Team US said they were already

choosing me. Then that's why I'm looking so like disgrunted, disgruntled. I don't know, um in my bedroom with Jordans and Tory because you know, I'm sitting right there, Jody's there. They're probably just talk to Jody about what to do. And now I'm they're packing my shit up, getting my things ready, and they're like, what do you think Kelliott. In my head, I'm like, fuck, do you mean? What do I think? I know what I think? You guys

are putting me in right, you know. And so that's when I was like, well, I think fucking usa she go in because I was like, you're already sucking saying my name right, you know. So my problem is like people call me a loose cannon. I don't agree. I'm

not a loose cannon. If you watch All Stars. Both times I was on it, I kept my mouth fucking shut, even when I kept having my peel being complete assholes to me the whole time, like kept getting you know, talked about and put it, talking about being put in, and I stayed calm so I wouldn't call myself a loose and I'd say that I do speak too much sometimes when I have high emotions or someone ask me a direct question and I have not I've sometimes it's like forty percent of the time I'm able to just

be like no, no, I'll keep it to myself. And then there's like there's sixty percent of the time where I'm just like, you know, I just say something stupid. And I could have just been like, oh, I understand if you guys like what I said to Amber and all of them, like you guys, just say my name, don't play target in your back. But if I should have just probably looking back when Tori and Jordan asked me, I should just say, what do you guys want to do?

I'm open to whatever, and if it has to be me, then I'll take it on the chin and I understand, you know. But instead I was like, well, I'm gonna say your names because everyone's just trying to like stay another week, but like you guys have the strongest fucking team is strong. And I wasn't saying I was gonna say Tori. I was saying, let's choose someone like Bananas or something, someone that is a I would say Banana. Say.

I'm saying I'm gonna say someone's name. I don't have the numbers, but be aware, I'm going to stay one of your names. That's all long answer. Sorry, So now you've won the elimination. Congratulations, You've won this elimination, and now you're going back into the house. You and Jane have this whole conversation, and now my question is what is the plan for Kelly Yanne? And that rhymed I know in an accident, but I like it. I like it. What is the plan for Kelly Yanne? Like? Who do

you feel like you need to link up with? People have shown their cards in this little amount of time. What are you going to do strategically moving forward? Um, you know, I think I was It was kind of what I said. I was just gonna wait and see. I mean, that's that's how I've always played the game. I just like to wait and see. I just was hoping that I could have stayed out of it from the beginning. But um, I knew that once my name was put in, it would probably likely be put in again.

I was going to continue to tell Bananas and West and Tory and whoever I need to, like, Hey, you guys want to group me into you all take all of reliance and willing to pick me up. You know. Um, I wasn't going to target Johnny because I didn't think that, like being vengeful would be very good for my game. But I wasn't going to protect her. And Okay, so, like I said, I came into the house with me

with weird vibes. Let me explained that better. On the very first like a couple of days that we're all getting to know each other, john NYE comes up to me or is in front of me and two other girls from like UK and Australia, and she was like, Kelly, and if I ever lied to you, and like she had lied to me, Mary told you she had lied to me and all Stars three and I didn't. I was never going to tell anyone that you couldn't trust her like I was. I gave her. I was giving

her a second chance, you know. So I was not going to share that with anybody. But then she asked me to vouch for her, and I just thought, like, why are you asking me to vouch for you when you know you had just lied to me and I'm still kind of uncertain about you, you know what I mean? Podcast last week she did? Did she? Yeah? Oh? Man? Yeah.

So she's like, I'm like, what that's funny. So I was like, why would you ask me to vouch for you when I'm still just trying to make sure that you're someone that I can trust, you know, And so I I was like, uh, you know, I don't even want to talk about this in front of them. And she was like, well, what do you mean you know? And I was like, well, I mean, like you did tell me one thing and do another, and I'm not mad at you, It's okay, but like I'm not. I mean,

you have misled me, that's you know. And I was like, I don't but again, I don't want to talk. Can we not have the conversation in front of other people? It's like, you want to talk about it, let's talk about it, but not here, and um, the girl's like we'll walk away. They walked away, and then you know, she started to tear up, which I thought was kind of peculiar, and she's like, I just feel and I was like, no, it's okay, like you know, but she hadn't drinking, so I thought maybe she was just a

little drunk. And I was like, do you want to have this conversation like upstairs, and socially did and it started off like with her being like apologetic, but then it turned into like okay, then she got you know, like more like upset, and then I just let's just call, like, we don't have to go in circles, let's just stop the conversation. We're fine, you know, like I just let's move on. So later on, when she's telling Casey like, oh, I think Kelly An's upset because you know, I won

a couple, which again just makes no faking sense. Um, I thought, Okay, she's just trying to prepare everybody that she's going to do something dirty to me because she's realizing that, like by having me here, I might dirty her name. And again I never would have wanted to do that to her. I just didn't want to. I just also didn't want to vouch for her, and so I knew that even though I didn't coming back to the house. I didn't want to try to go after her.

I also knew that now she was probably gonna start making up rumors about me, whether it's that I'm stressed or crazy or whatever, because like, oh, I'm gonna have to really worry about kelly An's vengeance. Like Okay, when did you guys ever seen me like other than I'm talking shit to the guys back in like two thou and ten, Like when have I ever like come back with a vengeance? Like, yeah, I'm not, that's not me. I forgive a lot, I will not forget, and I'll do what I have to do in the game, but

I'm not gonna go be vengeful. So it was like I was, I was concerned that by me being there, even if I didn't come after her, she wasn't sure what I was going to do, and therefore as afraid she was going to say things about me that could have been detrimental to my game. So I was just like, here we go. We're just gonna have to see how

this game plays out. Right. So for clarity, because again we did talk about this on the last episode of the podcast, you were uncomfortable with that conversation, because question mark, because the way it was presented to us was almost and I don't want to put words in her mouth, but almost as if you were trying to sabotage her in that conversation. Yeah, that makes sense, That's that's kind of how she started to address it afterwards. And absolutely not, No,

absolutely not. I never ever would have come. I would have never done it. First off, if I was gonna sat her someone when I do behind their back, But no, I wouldn't have gone to her face and just started like talking crap about her character to these people. I just didn't, like, why would she come up to me and be like, hey, Kelly Anne, have I ever lied

to you? Like I don't know the conversation you're having with these people before I showed up, Like I was walking by, you know, the couch and the table um. But I'm like why, Like why, out of all things? You know, you've apologized to me multiple times since last season for betraying that, you know, like our friendship, for talking crap about me, for pretending that you were working with me when you were working with them, Like why

are you asking me if you've ever lied? Unless you just want to make me feel like it was just it was it was very uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, um oh this has been intense, but not you this episode has been. Yeah. Anything you care to tease for the rest of the season, give us some little crumbs kill the Anne because we hungry. They're giving us a little bits of pieces in the episodes. Give us some crumbs. Um. You definitely see some ups and some downs from different um groups of both and you'll,

you know, alliances get a little stirred up. So yeah, I also ask, I'm gonna ask are there cracks in the Legends or in the MVPs? Am I allowed to answer that? Um? I, well, you know, you guys saw the cracks for Australia. We saw that an episode one, a little bit on two, so you might see some of that for the MVPs and uh, and there's definitely some some cracks with the definitely have some cracks with

us Legends. You saw that already obviously as well. Well these that's the only crack that we like on this uh podcast. So I'm executive. I'm excited to see what the season has and I'm really grateful that this episode was not another cliffhanger because I'm sick of that shit. It was too much. Each one was like because they focused a lot on the drama. Ask back the reality

this um episode, which I don't mind. You know, I like when they show the inner workings of the house because now you're a real world girl too, so it's me John Ay, you are real world girls, so you know there's we're used to that. Yeah, it definitely makes a difference. Well on the not so real world. Where can the people find you on the social media? Um? Um, you guys can find me on Instagram at Kelly am Judd.

I do have a TikTok at Kelly am Judd. I need to get more into that and um yeah it's mostly one them on Hey, okay, when you heard of first people, go and follow Kelly Inn and see what she has going on in her life. I thank you so much for coming in out with you and I on this podcast. You have been a play leisure girl and being very vulnerable and honest with us. Yeah. I appreciate. Thank you. And when you guys want to follow my dogs,

stop the sad Yeah. I try to keep the sad stuff to a minimum on my regular page and time just still seeing it a lot but there's a lot of good stuff too, Lots and lots of really uplifting stuff, but also some sad things. On my dog page, you'll find it at um at no traditional mother with under slash under each word. Okay, no dash, un traditional. Thank you. Yes, she saves the pups and gives them a new lease

on life as a foster foster parent. I've always done it for men, so I figured why not dogs as well. You missed opportunity to say new leash on my You know what? Nice? I love the corny jokes up to you, sis, but that's really funny. She could start a whole, a whole foundation called new leash on life where you take I would like I was like eight for being here. I love you guys, all right, well, thank you, enjoy

your day, have fun with the hops. Thank you, and I can't wait to see the rest of this season. Yes yet, by the way, I'm excited to see the fire that's been lit up under you for the rest of the season, because situations like that will light a fire under you. That's like, oh, good luck trying to put it out, because I've been there. Good luck. So I'm excited. Thank you, guys. Dave, and I have to tell you that I'm so excited that I get to podcast with you. It's just it really keeps me honest,

but it also makes me laugh because you're funny. But you also have like a corny element to some of these jokes and a couple of slogans that might make us some money later in the future, so there has to be balanced. Yeah, I really really am happy about it. I am too. I am having so much fun co hosting this podcast with you. Of course, we miss our girls, Devin and Tory. However, in their absence, we are holding down the fort. Yes, everybody needs a break sometime. The

podcast sport the port. We are holding the port is gonna say well, friends, family, listeners. Um, that interview was very, very, very therapeutic. I am glad that Kelly Anne was able to get all of the things off of her chest. And you know, hopefully there will be some healing from All Stars three and this season as well. Yes, that friendships are not destroyed and that we can all move on and play our game. Yeah, uh chat, where can

people find you? A Nissa? They won't find they won't find me on the Global Challenge because I'm home, but you can find me on Instagram at an Nissa MTV. That's a n e s a MTV Davin. Where can they find you? Follow you Twitter, the mayor Twitter. You can definitely tweet me at day Davin Underscore. You can follow me on Instagram at Davine Diane Underscore And I

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