What's up everyone.
I'm Anissa Ferreira and I'm Tory Deal and this is emptv's official Challenge podcast. Okay, actually I would prefer for you to be me because I would love to be you. And let's get to the episode, which is more important than us absolutely butchering this intro.
What did you think of this incredible episode?
A mesa?
What do you mean? Domino motherfucker?
It was?
It was great. I still am unsure of what we were playing, but I liked watching people try and figure it out. I think that the producers really find a way to make every game just unique, and it boggles my mind. And it's quite impressive that they keep kind of like upping the ante and and still have the ability to make shit creative.
I mean, it's like every think about all of the shows that they have, all the spinoffs, the amount, and they still come up with all of these new games.
It literally blows my mind, Like we really do next time?
Can we give production a little applause sound bite?
They deserve it.
It's been it's been an incredible season so far, and this challenge was awesome.
Domino motherfucker amazing.
I know, Avery and Adam wont it. I wasn't necessarily expecting them to win. I wasn't not expecting them to win, but I think that they were able to show up in this episode and show their strengths again. They both completed the first challenge first and well actually they both completed it in second place for their heat for the guys heat the girls.
Heat, and it's just, you know, nice to see them getting another win.
And I think that they're obviously putting themselves on the radar for somebody to look out for in terms of politician.
Especially Oh it's just killed. It keeps killing stuff. God absolutely.
And then the middle group, I mean, like it was really interesting. I was not expecting, like Rachel to be at the bottom. I wasn't expecting Veronica to be at the bottom or.
Yeah, but it Tina, Rachel said it exactly the way it was. It was muscle on muscle. Yeah, and it's okay to admit that sometimes. But they're also I think you know games where they kind of like you can rain man through it if you're like it's something just clicks and you just do it. I don't think that this was the one, and I think it was easy to get confused or you know, bring the wrong piece
and then have to run it back. And as we will hear later, and as we've heard from to contestants that it's hot as hell where they are, so factor all of that in it definitely makes this hard challenge for everybody.
Yeah, definitely, And I think it becomes harder when you have a significant other playing the game because when somebody loses, and in this game, if you lose, you have the chance of.
Going into elimination, and we got to see that. But because it's it's it's also great because you have somebody advocating for you.
That's true, that's true.
But I want to go on a show where my girlfriend Cam, it's a different camp where the same different you know, my wife Cam comes in and just you know, tells everyone like, no, you're not voting for my wife, like everybody needs. That would be great if everybody had that, you know, and they're smart for not being on the same team. I would have never picked you as a teammate. You know, no death like you gotta spread you gotta spread it out. Yeah.
I think my statement comes from just wondering about the emotional strain that puts on Cam now, oh, like having to lock in and then having to politic like she knows she's got to go to work now because she's got to keep Leroy safe and this is now the second time, right, you can.
Missing the baby, I mean, it's a lot, and pumping and our hormones are probably still like and these aren't. I mean, I couldn't imagine being pregnant. I can't imagine then delivering said baby, having the baby being connected to the baby, and then pumping while the baby's got Like, it's just a lot. It's a lot, you know, as I commend her for showing up and playing. There are a lot of mommies year speaking of another mommy like it.
Rachel's in the bottom and mm hmm. It goes to show said we said it last podcast, that you can be in the top and be cruising and then be like just dead last.
Yeah, It's just it just changes every single week based on what the challenge itself is.
But isn't that a great game where you can't predict to the I mean, I love Rachel, She's one of my closest friends. But it makes for interesting TV to never know who's going to be in the top and the bottom.
Yeah, and then also in this game, if you have to go into elimination, it's not like there isn't actually like a sweet golden star cupcake at the end of it all.
You know, your ability to make the movie that you didn't get to make while you were in deliberation or or whatever. That's some movie you didn't get to make because you came in last. Now you get to make it, right.
I think something that really stuck out to me before we jump too far into the elimination is how the nominations went to figure out what two people because this was a double so this is kind of the worst time to be in the bottom.
There is a girl and a guy going in.
And you know, we saw this moment between Kara and Cam and I think, you know, Leroy had teased to us that on the first podcast.
That there was going to be a bit of a rival reforming.
Between the two r I'm wondering if this was the beginning of that rivalry.
It has to be. It must, because I could feel it like that was my friend, and you could see Kara was definitely felt a little bit torn. But I think she is definitely being like, Okay, well, who's the stronger player here? And I think who she thinks is a stronger player is not her friend.
Okay, see, yeah, I see what you're saying.
And I'm trying to articulate that better. Is like she's trying to protect her star with Rachel and kind of form an alliance in the in the star holder's way, but she's also has a friendship with Cam that goes back year. She you know this.
This makes sense to me when I when I think about it, if it were to be like me, you and then someone new, and then I can understand why there would be drama between the.
Two us if we didn't vote the same, I would kick your fucking ass. Okay, but sorry, but wait, hold on, I listen. But so I see it.
I see it more clearly where Cam's coming from when I think about myself in a position with people, I'm with you, someone I'm actually I'm close to. But then it just makes me wonder, like is there any room for Kara to want to play her own game? Like do we really feel like if you are friends, that you that you have to play each other's games like an alliance.
Because we don't You and I don't even play the same game. You know some well, but if you have you have a certain partner, Dave, you know, Yes, partners kind of kind of shift a little, you know, shift your you're the way that you would normally play sometimes, or you know, give you a different perspective or whatever, like as long as you keep me safe. I don't really give a ship what you do, but here I can. I can see why Cam is upset, but I can also see why Kara to play your own game because
she's gonna be a threat in this game. So it's like do I protect myself or do I put you first? And that is that is a big thing. And I thought about it, like I have been thinking about it since we started watching All Stars again. It like puts the show back and gives in my mind and gives me anxiety. But it's like, you know, at some point you have to play for you, you know, and your real friends will understand the moves that you have to make.
Like who am I to be? Like, you know what, I'm gonna do whatever whatever you want for your game, fuck mine, right, So I get I get it. I get what you're saying, and I understand the whole sides all of the sides.
Yes, yeah, and I think that's you know, ultimately, when you make friendships on the Challenge, That's what makes it so interesting to watch is because if you're on the show, you're playing for yourself and your own game, but you're also having relationships and sometimes those relationships take the back burner when you think about your own personal game.
So I'm just interested to see how this unfolds.
Obviously, Leroy gave us a really interesting tip at the very first podcast, so it's just gonna be cool and you know, also messy, interesting, messy, yeah, watching it unfold because everyone likes to know a little history and watch it, watch it in real time. So I think that that
really stood out to me this episode. And then obviously I think we need to touch on the fact, even going back a little bit further, Tony going home so fast, like, yeah, that really switches up the game with Cyrus coming in and then he goes against Keithla.
And then yeah, but can you see the difference like night and day, where like these two grown ass men are like you know what, it's us Like, they're not even fighting to like not go in or pick somebody different. It's kind of like, well, here we are.
There wasn't room to fight in that house, the whole, the whole thing.
So I'm also more scared of people that are just like put me in. Yeah, I don't give a show. Yeah yeah, you know, like I never I never play a scared game. So I'm kind of like, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen, and maybe that fights me in the ass, But like, yes, I get I get you wanting to protect yourself and keep yourself out of elimination, very very smart. But when you know it's you, there's no reason to put that energy to campaign against it. Like it's gonna be what it's going to be, and
that's your fate. So it's kind of like, you know, it's when people give speeches that like nomination, like maybe this will change things. It's not gonna everybody knew who they were going to vote for before they got in there. Yeah, yep. So I love the way that they both handled it with such grace, such respect for one another.
I loved it, and I think like that the elimination.
It was really nice to see two eliminations when last week we didn't get one. I think, right, it was like Okay, we needed this, Like it was interesting watching Tina get her star because you know, we just didn't know what was going to happen. But now we really got to see people battle it out, which is what the challenge is all about.
And both people put on a good show. Right. But Aana's been in if you don't know, like Aana's been in eliminations before, Yeah, Rachel has not been in many. I think I've been in the only two that Rachel's been in. We were in there together. Wow. Yeah. When we did Duel Too, I was like the exterminator. I went in all the eliminations and she won the challenges because that's how you kind of can like weave through that.
Well you but you rubbed off her on her this episode because Kal because they wanted her to take Ayana out.
I mean, I get it. Rachel was definitely weaponized in this in this situation, but handled it with with so. I mean, it's it's interesting to watch, you know, a strong competitor who you know, avoids eliminations because they're that good and they people want them like as partners or you know people, or she wins enough that she doesn't have to go in when when things change and you watch them grow as like a competitor where they're like, well let's go, and also as a friend to watch
your friend go in, you know, like it. There are just so many emotions. Yeah, and I think that Rachel is such a threat that I mean nobody said it, but like, you know, I know you wanted her to take out Ayana, but I don't think that they cared if Rachel was the one who lost. Exactly either way competitive, Yeah, from a competitive standpoint, you put two people in that are strong, Yeah, I mean you clearly want one of them to go home and you just pray that the
other one takes the other one out. And it's just you know, as much as you want people to think it's a compliment, it's not. No, it's not. But I'm proud of both. And it was kind of emotional, like hearing Ayana say all over kids names, and you know, I think that will tug on all the heartstrings of any mother who who is every day, you know, living
and breathing for them. And just hearing her story when she said, you know, my teenage kids don't even have their own bedroom, right, Yeah, Like you never know people's real stories, you know, so then you then you hear these things and I honest always so open and honest about like her life. You know, there's nothing to guess there, there's no there's no guessing. Yeah, so that was. That was definitely an emotional one of like two mommies out there just just fighting for it.
Yeah, it was, and and they really fought for it, like you could see it even though Rachel won. You know, you saw her grab her shoulder on the way down and you could see.
That that Oh you caught that. Oh yeah, I mean I caught that immediately.
Yeah, I mean you could see like that wasn't an easy win.
She had to like dig deep for that one.
And Ayana is strong and she's made that very clear over all of her performances on the show.
No one's ever questioned that. So yeah, it was.
It was interesting and brutal and you know, just very moving to watch the entire thing play out. I think the most confusing part of the episode for me, and I still can't get over this is like I get I get it, I get it that Rachel took Tina star, but I'm like, I just I also am like wow, because why wouldn't she just take cars and give it to Veronica and be like we.
All get a star because she doesn't want car coming for her. She wants to keep that. Remember when they were like, we're gonna well cars said, we're gonna protect these stars. So why would she take it from somebody she just had a conversation. Yeah, you can't go back on that. Yeah, yeah, and I get that, So I get that. Why wouldn't she give her other closest friend a star, like bitch be a part of this game too, for sure?
Yeah, and I like how, I get why.
And it's also good for TV. And Rachel's not gonna ruffle any feathers. No, yeah, taking someone else's I know, I guess like the.
Maniacal person in me, I totally get it. And to be fair, I probably would have done exactly what Rachel did. But then I'm also like, oh, that's.
My best friend, Like I don't know if I could have done that.
I don't know.
But also to be fair, but she's got two of them.
Yeah, and also Rachel looking at everybody like Steve really competed hard for his star.
You can't take his away. And yeah, Tina didn't do anything. Tina didn't do anything. Yeah, she got gifted the star. She got Tina. Like Tina laughed about it. She wasn't like, oh terrible, because you know what, you're going to need a start to get to the end, and you can't tell me that. Like people, you don't know who they're gonna throw down there totally. You know, you don't know when you're gonna get voted in and who's going to steal your star, So you don't know how long you
have it for. Just because you have it doesn't mean it's untouched. Yeah, these stars are moving around like hot potatoes.
Definitely, They're like it's a revolving door for sure.
I love it. I can't wait till what happens with the stars next week. I know.
Yeah, same, And I'm excited to know from Keithla why he chose Brad star.
Right. So now we have Keithla and Rachel both have stars, and now Veronica is a star and she joins the Star club. So now that all six of them have stars, I'd like to give out some stars on my own. Yeah, like this, let's do that. So my all star of the episode, okay is Keithla and his back ye the way that Keithfler fell in such a realistic way. I'm like, there's no way that he goes home too. I can't take it. And he went right into a little Humpty hamp.
It was twerk City, Yeah it was. It was Keithla and the City Girls. It was. It was good. I loved it so much. It was so so good, and we needed a little comic relief. We really did. We did, and it was that. I want to watch it on repeat. What about you, Rach, Rach, Jesus Christ my braincell. Sorry, I'm giving my star to Rage anyway. So I thought, I think you were just reading my mind.
I you know, I was stuck between Keithla and and Rachel, but you said Keithlea. So I think it's only fair to give it to Rachel. She conquered, she won a very difficult elimination.
She showed us.
That she is strong through and through, has been strong since the beginning of her challenge career, and up to this date, is still a beast.
So definitely got to give it to Rachel.
And I think that it's really difficult to pick who to give the.
No Star of the episode two. But if I have to pick don't do it if you pick the same one I picked. I mean Cyrus.
Oh okay, only because he was like in and out and this is no shade. I just don't know who else to give it to. And he even said, you know.
You're playing that card. Okay, what do you what do you what do you think? I was gonna give the no Star to Tina because she doesn't have a star anymore. I like that one.
That's funny, that's way nicer.
I wish I would know as no star Tina. Well, you know what, Cyrus is still a star. He doesn't need a star. Of course. He is in the best shape of his life. And you know what, It's just that's the way the game's played, and it sucks. But I'm sure we'll see him again. Yes, I don't think this is the last we'll see if Cyrus. I feel like he keeps getting leaner and leaner. He has a baby on the way, he got married. Yeah, like talk about stars. Yeah, he's crushing that man is winning, he's winning. Yeah.
I guess the universe knew he needed his to be spent better at home.
But it was nice seeing him for that.
That that episode of a cameo and I'm excited to see what happens coming up. And I'm really excited to get into this interview with Keith low. We haven't talked to him ever. He's never been on the podcast. He hasn't been on a show since nineteen ninety nine. Like this is like, we're about to talk to him.
An og for you in nineteen ninety nine tour. I was worn in ninety three, so six. Wow, you must have loved all these shows back then.
I was obsessed with them and I wait, you were mind.
My first word was Keith lob. Well, I'm sure he'll be happy to hear that. I'll have to tell him. All right, Well, let's get into this interview. We'll be right back after this. Okay, okay, let's get.
Back to the show.
Now. This man, you haven't seen him for a while. He is from World Rules down Under. He was a Challenge shit while he is Challenge Champion from the real world World Rules Challenge, and he is a current star holder. Please welcome Kifla, body them hair.
Thank you for having me, guys. I appreciate that. Wow, I appreciate it.
It's so nice to meet you.
Same here, you know, hopefully we can get a chance to meet faces face one day, you know.
Yeah, because I feel like I was in I was I was about to graduate high school when you did your first How old are you in your fortieth.
Oh, I will be fifty.
Yeah, wow, look at him? Go yes for black people. Are you a virgo too?
Yes? I am a Virgo?
Yes Virgo?
What day September ten?
Yeah, you're in the day before me. Okay, yes, Melanie Virgo.
Right, dude, It's it's been awesome watching you on this season so far. Like I loved you in the first episode you had that like moment where you finished that drill and like you cried and you got emotional, and it was like beautif to watch that heart Yeah, and then now again like you've had just so I don't want to get too much into the episode yet because like we have a lot of time to do that, but like, what is it being like just being back on the challenge.
It's kind of surreal, you know. Of course you said like the first episode, you know, after I finished, I you know, cry and that's probably the first time man I cried in like it was seventeen eighteen years Wow, you know, it's a lot of built up just yeah, you know, because you know, I have boys and just
trying to be strong for everybody that I encountered. And uh, this is something that has been battling with me, you know, because you watch all these seasons and it's like, you know, I see everything and everybody on and I'm like, you know, I thought I did pretty good. You know, I thought I could could you know, roll with the big dogs. But for whatever reason, you know, I wasn't good enough.
And you know, in the back of the mind, you keep on hearing that little, you know thing that you wasn't good enough, You wasn't good enough, or you know, I was too nice, you know, too friendly, didn't have no drumming like you know. But that's how I live. That's who I am, you know what I'm saying. And so when I finished that first mission, man, it was it was crazy. It's just a lot of emotional because I started off rocky. I thought I was going to go home, you know, but when I wanted, you were
not one. But when I didn't get in the bottom, I was like, Yo, this is I appreciate it. Man, God, thank God for everything. You know.
So so what have you been doing since I don't know, nineteen eighty nine, two thousands.
Yeah, married, just just celebrated my twentieth year wedding anniversary to my beautiful white free Yeah, thank you, thank you. My twin boys are nineteen. One is in school at Alabama State, my alma mater, and then the other one. He started off and he was like, yo, Dad, I can't do this school thing anymore. I say, that's fine. So he's working and so been raising kids, teaching, coaching sports, you know, just living life, you know what I'm saying, And been so busy doing all of that, you know,
but I love it. But at the same time, this is what I really like doing, you know, I really like mixing it up and doing those kind of things, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's what I've been doing for the last twenty five years.
You know, I can only imagine what your sons are thinking. Like, you know, you have a son in Alabama State. You said, like, imagine, like my dad's on the child.
No, no, it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy, man. But even more so what's gonna be crazy is when I because I teach high school and so my kids, you know, when they when they see this, they're gonna be you know in saying, you know, just gonna be loving every minute of it. Because every time I get a new every new semester start, I showed some of the old episodes that I can find off of YouTube. And then you know, once you get a kid, like you know, you show you know, coach has been on TV.
Coaches played with Kobe Bryant and I got him, then you know, I'm the coolest thing in the school totally, right. Oh. I teach health education and pe nice. Okay, so when I when I when they see this, man, it's gonna be bananas, right, And I coach baseball and girls flag football.
Yes, for girls flag football.
Yes.
I love that there is something crazy in all of us though that like I think we are all thrill seekers and like want to push ourselves. So like I'm forty two and I still do the challenge and have been aft of it for like the last twenty two years, and there's just something like life is not normal without it, you know, And I think there's just that thing that's just part of us that's like we need to be,
you know, for lack of better words, challenged. I need to have something in front of us where we're like, I'm not sure I could do it, but I'm still going to give everything that I have and constantly search for things so we can, you know, see how far we can really go. How far can I push myself?
You know what am I really capable of outside of like jobs and like you know, all of the monotony, Like you have this other thing, and I think that's what calls us all kind of back to it or like Tory and I keeps us Tory has been I've done four back to back tories like on six or something. No one knows. We all lost count. No one knows I'll count after after that. You know what It's like.
I'm sure people are like, get her off the show, but it's like, you know, it's addicting, and like you were saying that we.
Get her off, get her off. We're tired to see her face.
I get it, you're tired of seeing my stupid face.
But there's something in.
Us when the opportunity comes knocking on the door, it's just like it's just so fulfilling. I'm curious, Kibla, Like you know, you've taken a lot of time since you've been back. When you originally did it, it wasn't even called the official challenge yet.
It was just straight real world versus road rules. I think it was like road rules.
Yeah.
It was like the second challenge ever, right or was it the first?
Right?
The first one? Was that? Was that like the All Star Data Stars. Yeah, it was just like it was kind of like the pilot, you.
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So then, like, do you feel like in comparison challenge wise, now that you're back doing the things that you've done physically since being on All Stars?
Now, do you think that it's elevated a lot?
The head in the game has.
Changed, of course, But one of the you know, the key component is the eliminations. Because when we were on there there were no elimination. It was just like your team gets money and whoever gets the most money they get to or whatever they get to traveling the Winnebago the Great one, and the other one gets to you know, ride the little Rudi put one. You know what I'm saying.
It was like you stayed the whole time and people learned who you was and who you were as a character, you know, and so they really got to know you. But now, you know, you get your butt on there. The first day you go into a challenge, you're going home. Nobody even knows you. You know what I'm saying. That's the and I understand it. That's the competition of it. But I think back when it started, it was more so of the relationship as opposed to now is the competition.
And I understand that because that's what people want, you know what I'm saying. But I do know I'm gonna speak for the old heads. There are there is a component. There are people out there that want to see people not necessarily get eliminated. They want to see their people on there and watch them for a minute, you know, so they can enjoy it. Because it's kind of like American Idol. You know, when your favorite contestants get voted off, you stop watching it, right, you know what I mean.
And it's kind of like that for the challenge, especially when you get the older people. You know, they're like, well shooting, you know, my boy's gone. Well I don't really know these young folks, so I'm done, you know, but I understand it. All.
I mean, they got when they got rid of road roles in real world. It was very hard to you know, who were they going to pull from, you know, with shows and now that they have those shows don't really you know, focus on character element and they you know,
like Tori did like a dating show. I mean, we've watched her grow, but that's because we've had the time to do so when we did it, he felt, like you said, when people like when you never get picked again, Like I didn't do a lot of shows that were like really cool in the beginning, like the Gauntlets in
the Infernos. I was like wallpaper. Even though I was a big personality on my show, You're gonna understand, like it, there were so and I say it all the time, there's so many people, like it was an honor to get picked for the challenge because there's so many people competing now people got kids and jobs and so they
have to the cast has to come from somewhere. They you know, they do follow a lot of people though, because like I said, when I went to get my coffee today and I'm like, oh my god, I was seven minutes to get back because I'm interviewing Keith le Ed. Here goes the guy who owns the shop. I love him. He knows he only knows the older pe right.
Yeah.
So there's definitely there's something nostalgic about it that people come come back four.
Definitely, and it's so nice to see you back.
It's so nice to be able to watch so many different combinations of people in this house together, Like this All Stars forecast is my favorite All Stars cast aside from Anissa I want.
I said it. The moment this cast came out, I was like, I fucking wish Anissa was there too.
Yes, that was oh.
And they were like I pictured it when they were like, and we're bringing out Cyrus, I was like, shit, I wish it was me.
I really wish.
Oh you wanted to go into a ball brawl with Keith Fla Is that what you're saying? Oh? No, but anybody else or whatever? Would? I would? I don't care.
I know you would.
Know.
What's the worst thing that could happen? I look bad ass and they lose?
Yeah, Well, I think it's like, Yeah, it's amazing that you're back.
And I really do want to get into the thick of this.
Episode a little bit because there was so many things that happened and I feel like I want to get your perspective on it from being actually in the house. First thing being first, Tony out of the blue, just gets up and leaves. And obviously, like it said, was a family thing, so like, I'm sure it's very personal. But were you around when he was telling people or did you just like wake up in the morning and he was gone.
Like no, we were all in the h in the main room, but he he We're all roommates. It was me, Tony, and Steve. We were all roommates, so you know, it came out of nowhere. We were all in the main room just chilling, you know. The next thing, you know, we saw production go in the back and it was like, yo,
what's going on? And then you know how you can tell when the mood kind of changes, you know, and something's going on in the house, and so everybody's sitting back and nobody really knows what's going on, and then all of a sudden, you hear somebody saying, I think he's going home, and so we're all trying to figure out who's the he, you know, because there was a few other people back there. And then when they said
Tony's going home, you know, nobody really knew why. And you know, for the people who knew Tony, you know, friendship wise, you know, it was it was really heartbreaking. But for me, I was like, oh, I didn't want him to go home because of whatever reason it was, you know, it was something bad. But at the same time, it's like, boom, get him up out of here. You know what I'm saying. That increases my chance to do it, But you know, not if it was something that was
that was detrimental. You know what I'm saying.
Totally right from a game perspective, it makes sense to have one less competition. Yeah, of course, not on a human.
Level, no, of course, right, right, right, right, I.
Totally get it.
But it's interesting, you know, like Tony leaves and like you said, yeah, I get him up out of here, and then all of a sudden, Cyrus walks in, so.
Like what was right?
It's kind of like the.
Changing of the guards and then yeah, it was your thought when you first saw Cyrus where you're like, oh my gosh, like a competition that's actually like a friend, like or were you just straight happy to see him?
Well, I'm always happy when I see Cyrus when I you know, I talked to Cyrus on the on the internet, you know, uh, Instagram and Facebook. You know, it makes people you know right there, closer than what they normally are. But you know, knowing that he knows the game, knowing that he has a relationship, because what I started realizing after the first two challenges was that, uh, if you don't have a relationship, you're going and you're going in.
And I knew me. They didn't know me from you know, the man at the on the side of the street. So I knew I was gonna go in if they had a chance to vote me in. So when I saw Side coming in, I was like, damn, there's another guy with a great relationship, knows how to play the mental game and the physical game. You know what I'm saying. I said, So, like you said, they just changed the guards. That's all they did.
Yeah, you know totally.
I mean, maybe we can get into the unless you if something saying he said, real quick, do you.
Oh, I was gonna get into more into this episode. Yeah, keep going, let's do it because I toy So we're watching we're all watching the episode together for the listeners, and I'm texting, texting Tori I'm like, I didn't understand the game. She goes, you haven't played dominoes. I was about to be like, bitch, have you ever played spades? Because I could play that. They're not gonna have us play spades on there. But I almost feel like my black card is going to get revoked because I'm like,
do the dominoes have to touch or? She was like, you have to add them. I'm like, Tori, I don't know what you're saying. She goes, maybe I'm wrong. I would like you.
I think it's a pattern, right, so like you need if there's a five that ends, then you need a five to touch it.
And then no, I guess that you need a four to touch it. It's not I get that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I just wanted to know what the middle one was?
The middle? The middle you're talking about where they had to stand on?
Yeah, no, the middle where you had to the final the last one have to match that middle?
No, you had the will you start with whatever? When you start with right and you just go to front of the machine, end and end, that's it in the end.
Yeah, this is my question, is the way the domino was laid out in the middle.
I think it was like a number six and a four or something like that.
I didn't the six.
The six started you have to start with, well, with the six there or like nine to twelve what it was. I think for that one, you have to start off with that. So what you get the starting piece and then that's the starting piece, and so whatever that starting piece is, you just go from your ends from there. You're matching ends from there. Yeah, but like they said, they had two extra pieces in there.
So would you do start and start, like, get your start and finished pieces down and then work.
That's what we tried to That's what some people try to do. They try to get their start and finished pieces down. But the thing about the start and finished pieces. That finished piece, let's say, if you don't really know what that finished piece was necessarily going to be, because it could have been a one as a finished piece, but the top of that one could have been a six, the top of that one could have been a five at top of that one, you see what I'm saying.
So once you go to six fives, you know, five to three, three, four, then it probably flipped some other kind of way, you know what I'm saying, so, yeah, and then you had those extra pieces and let alone, it was like one hundred and hell degrees outside, and then it was also heavy. Those things were super heavy, you know, so it was bananas.
Man, How is it working with Tina?
I love Tina? You know what I'm saying. I love Tina. One thing about him, man, I could That's my girl, straight up. I could work with anybody. That's one thing about me, you know. I'm so I'm just that dude that I can work with anybody. I don't care who it is. You know what the situation is. If you're trying to win and you're a fair person and you're not just you know, being an asshole towards me or whatever, I can work with you, you know, to get to
that coming goal, you know what I'm saying. But Tina's great, you know, I just hate that, you know, I didn't fulfill my end of the bargain for her, you know, but she was. She was great. You know. She was willing to listen and I was willing to listen to her too. That's that's me. I'm not I'm not going to get in there, but like yo, I know what to do obviously, you know, you don't all the time, but she was. She was real cool to work with, very very cool to work with.
I still don't know what to do, and I'm great with puzzles and numbers and ship and it's bothering me so much that I am going to join a dominance group and I'm gonna I'm going to be a master. I'm going to be a master at it. Next time. Keith was a teacher, he'll teach you.
You got to get it right before the fourth though, before the fourth of July and go somewhere. You got to make sure you got your dominoes on deck by here, because.
They're gonna think about prodigy at that point. Yes, I'd be like I've never played, Like, I'll be like a domino shark, Like how I am?
Yeah, Yeah, I'm so happy that TJ introduced the game like that too.
It really made me feel good inside. It really did.
Honestly, have either of you guys seen the Hunger Games?
Have you any of you watched?
Okay, you know when they're like it's the second Hunger Games and they have to be in that middle, that they're in the arena and that that clock is spinning and there's like the water in between. This layout reminded me so much of the Hunger Games. I couldn't unsee it, and I just like, thank god, they're not fighting for their lives and they're only fighting for stars. But like, I feel like sometimes they pull some challenges or like concepts from those games, and I'm like.
Yeah, and from hallucinogen. I think we're a little bit a little bit of psilocybin, maybe a touch of K and then just like we should play dominoes but like Hunger style, but nobody dies. Yeah, thank god. I mean, I love it. But what I didn't really love was but I also love is that there's always so much drama on All Stars because I feel like at this age, like you're not going to talk to me crazy, right, you know? And I think everybody kind of has that attitude of like we know who we are, we have
our lives set up. How did you feel about this whole Ayana and Cam confrontation? Were you there for?
It?
Seems like you want no parts. I mean a lot of people aren't really involved necessarily, but were you there?
Yes? I mean I heard the blow up, but if you I guess as y'all start watching the episode, y'all are privacy. When most of the drama is happening, you'll see me eating. You know, I'm always in the background, either sandwich or eating something. Man, you know, so I'm kind of like just therefore the show, trying to figure out, like, yo, what's going on? Who lied? Who said what? But when this blew up, you know, I was trying to, like you said, just only here here you say, side and say, Yo,
what went down? Why why is she going like that? Because you know, I knew Ayana. I met her, uh when I did well, I think when her season premiered, I think it was, but it was years ago, so you know, through social media we kept in contact, so I knew her like that and Steve and Side. So I didn't know anybody else, you know what I'm saying, And so I was like, yo, what's wrong with Eleanna? You know why she's going because you know somebody that you kind of know, you want to make sure they're okay.
But you know, I grew close to Cam and Lee Roy very quickly, you know, with that family dynamic and all that stuff, very quick, kind of like took them
under my wings. When we were just talking about advice of life and stuff like that, and when it started blowing up, man, I was just trying to figure out what's going on, because when drama hits like that, it's all about whose side you're on, you know, And I'm trying to make sure nobody's trying to put me on nobody's side, because I don't know anybody like that yet, right, you know what I mean, And personally, you know, I
didn't want to get into none of the drama. But it went from zero to one hundred like real quick.
So that edit of it was was accurate of like the speed of.
How it Yeah, how it just jump to it? Yeah, like just jumped to it.
I hated to see it when it ends in tears and people are just so frustrated and we are taken out of our character or this like I don't know, this moment of like vulnerability but like anger, like it just it sucks to see it because, right, you know, we always want people to win, like just that life. You know, I don't know what and I guess because
I know a lot of the people. It just I mean, it hits differently so you already know the personalities and like it just you don't want people to be yeah, to be that frustrated and that upset.
What I think is like the way this whole thing unfolded is it kind of became a classic game of telephone. Like I believe that when I was coming out of that challenge, maybe she said something under her breath, but it didn't necessarily seem like she was politicking to get Lee Ray and Cam out as much as it was just a statement like and and she seems like somebody who kind of just speaks freely about what she's thinking.
And then maybe somebody took that and turned it into gunning for somebody, like unless there's conversations that I missed, and so I'm only speaking on what I saw.
Yeah, but Tori, you know how it is, and I did it to you at the end of this challenge. You're like, adrenaline is going right, and I think you just say shit and you don't really think about it, which led to like a two year fight. Yeah, Tory and I, but it can in that moment you're like, yeah, such and such and such and such were like I think that you would have more of a more of a filter with a little less endorphins.
And then That's why I think, like watching it all kind of escalate, like Iana got very defensive, and I wonder if it's because she didn't recognize because what she had said that she was just that.
So that's kind of why it seemed to me. But I obviously only seeing what the edit is so well that between Brandon and it was Brandon right, Yeah, that she she did probably say it and passed. I'm surprised he didn't die her out. He said, he said, I hadn't talked to you in three days. He was like, me, brand that's a slick way to get out of that.
He's like, did you say I mean? I mean? It was cool on him, like, let's not let's not make this a bigger thing, because I think he also recognized, like we do say things and aren't really conscious of it at the time, especially after a challenge during fight, those heated moments, whether positive or negative, we kind of lose lose sight of that, and that could have been exactly what happened. And in the same regard, though we'll have to talk to We'll have to talk to her exactly.
And in the same regard, I understand where Cam is coming from and wanting to just you know, just see where why her name is floating around if.
She's heard it from so many people.
So I think it's just the way the challenge is.
It's just the way it goes it just like you said, and you say, it sucks when it gets so personal where it feels like so emotionally charged, because then it's just that intense and the environment itself is already intense.
So this is Yeah, these are people that have known each other, like keif Li said, like twenty five years. Yeah, you know even in voting, I've known Rachel for twenty years. I can't do this, Like, it gets real difficult when you have a lot of people that have a lot of history. Yeah, and you're trying to play a game. It's like do I play by loyalty in friendship or do I play strategically? Right, Yeah, because some of your best friends are your biggest competition.
Yeah, is a mastermind in that because she had to check me brilliant at the beginning too. She had to check me real quick, and I was like, oh my bad, I'm sorry. It was like when when you know, the first the very first elimination, you know, we were voting and you know, Leroy was in the bottom and so uh, you know, but everybody had they had enough numbers to vote someone else. Then. But then I was like, all right, well,
I'll just say Leroy and something else. You know already talked to y right, that's what she said, don't do that and say because they come back. But she went like Mama style on me, you know, and I was like, yo, okay, I'm sorry. I didn't know, you know what I mean.
And so, like I said, because the game wasn't like this when I was, you know, and I don't watch the show as faithfully as others because of the fact every time I watch it, it's like, you know, you're watching that X that you left and you know you should have stayed with you know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn right, And so I was like, you know, I didn't really know, and I mean, she checked me, but you know, I apologize to her because that's who I say.
You know, this is what I was doing. You know what I'm saying, you know, blah, forgive me for you know, any wrong that I cost or whatever. But no, and then that let me know this, this this lady knows what's happening. She's really smart in this you know, in this game she does.
She knows exactly Kim knows exactly how to have her desired income like outcome come to fruition. Like she is really smart.
She is.
She is definitely going to stand up for her man. Of course she was not the only person. You're knock a voting is Leroy right as you should.
You know what I'm saying. So I would sit back in the house and I would just watch certain people like that, like her, Carl Maria. I would watch them how they you know, just maneuver, you know what I'm saying, Because it was like, damn, this is so cool just to see these ladies do this because their their mind is like three weeks ahead of everything else, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm just trying to, you know, make it to the moment you.
Know, how to do the long and short game at the same time. And it's it's a skill.
Yeah, it is, it is, you know what I'm saying. So you know, my hat's off to camp for that. But when when and how calm she was when she was talking to Guyana, and like you saw, she said, well, the way she blew up told me all I needed to know, you know what I'm saying, and so, but yeah, that that house was on fire that night.
And then the two and then the two calm people, you and Cyrus are like, you know what, We're just gonna go into elimination. Let's just let's just do this. Yeah, what what made you feel like? You know what? Let me just make this easy? And like, what was it? What were your steps going into that?
Well? The main thing is I hate when people because you know, when I saw, like the first two people started walking around saying, Hey, I have your best interest at heart. Hey, you're in my friend. This is this, Hey, this is what I'm gonna do when I get in there. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, don't bullshit me. You know, if you're gonna say, Keithler, I'm voting you in, dude, I don't know you like that, And this is how
the game is played. Much respect, I don't have nothing against that, because that's that's the rules of the game. But when you bullshit me, now, I can't even trust you when I say, hey, we got any creamer in the refrigerator? You know, I can't trust you for nothing, you know what I'm saying, So just be real. So that's what it was. And I, you know, I started writing on the WID I was like, yeah, they don't know me. And then they keep they kept saying every elimination,
I don't have a relationship. I don't have a relationship. I don't have a relationship. And I knew from the jump, regardless of how nice I am, regardless of how you know, calm I am, it was gonna be me. And it was definitely gonna be Cyrus because of the fact that he just came into the game and the dynamics. Plus he's a OG that you know what I'm saying, He's an OG that kind of knows the rules too, So let's go ahead and boot him out before he gets
a chance. And so that's why happened. So I was like, man, just go ahead and do what you're going to do.
Pull the band aid. Yeah yeah, but that's how it is. But that's totally I feel like, I mean, people got to say what they got to say, but it's definitely cop out. And it's so easy to say, Sorrish, you just got here, I mean, and it's so easy to be like, you know, once once people find like one thing, everyone's like yep, and I feel the same exact way exactly. It's easy, Like it's just it's just an easy thing to do. It might not be fair, but it's definitely easy.
Yeah, it is.
And if everybody does it, you can't get mad at the whole house. They understand, you know, we under We've played this a lot, we understand how that goes. It's unfair, but you went in very confident. I wouldn't want to go against you.
Because I was. I was playing for much more than just to get back into the house, you know what I'm saying. I was playing for myself. I wanted to prove it myself that I could do it. Man, you know, one time, I didn't want to be you know, one and done, you know. And also I was like, look, you know, if y'all going to run this thing forty to fifty seasons, put your boy in. Yeah, you know
what I mean, I can do it. Because I see a lot of people that do it and then get home the first time, and then they come back three more times. I'm like, well, I got some substance that I can offer to the game, you know, what I'm saying, So bring me.
I love that, you know, at least we would love to see you at another show. You all right, we have to take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Okay, Okay, let's get back.
To the show.
Do you sing? I mean? I think All Stars is an incredible show. I'm really excited to be one in a part of it, hope to be a part of it again. But to watch it, it's just so good. Do you think it's because people are older and they have more to fight for and more to prove to themselves that it makes this show that much better and it makes you guys fight that much harder.
I think that has a lot of in it too. And also, you know, when you look at the simple fact that things are not the same when we started, because I mean, just look at just the extra income that people are making now, you know, from being you know, a promoter or whatever, you know, from stuff from social media. Shot when I was in college doing this, oh man, I would have been probably modeling uh razors for your bald head and all kinds of butter and stuff like that.
You know. But and so people have more of an incentive to work their butts off. But also, like like Ayanna said, with a family man and stuff like that, you know, that's fuel to the fire. Cam le row with the baby, that's fuel to the fire.
You know.
It's just so many different things that people have now where. And also when you when you're older, you know, father time, you know, kind of tells you you can't do this anymore, you know, and you're trying to you know what I'm saying.
You know, if he didn't tell, if he didn't tell you ship either, don't listen to you know, so I don't know. He doesn't speak my language, right.
Exactly, I don't listen to. But you know, but my dad, Now, I used to listen to my dad hard because I hid my tattoos from him and my ear piercing from him. And I was twenty three years old.
How do you hide in ear piercing? Did you grow up what you wear? Tapover?
No? I just didn't. I didn't go home from college for a few days, you know what I'm saying, for a few weeks.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, he was like, you're coming home to visit? I said, Noah, I got a lot of work to do. I got X Y and Z and stuff like that. Oh my parents. My parents are old school, so you.
Know, hiding even to this day, even.
Though they always checked me for anything when you got another tattoo. Oh Lord, have mercy. But going back man. But yeah, I think that that as we're aging man and we don't know when our last role is going to be. So we're like, I'm gonna lay it all out on the table and here you go, you know, and hopefully they'll call me back. You know what I'm saying, because I know people was asking me, Yo, you're gonna be like going off on People said that ain't me. That's just not who I am. I said, I'm gonna
be calm, I'm gonna be cool. I'm gonna give you some laughs. You know how keep is. I don't get in the drama. You know, I'm gonna play the game the way I want to play it, and if people like it cool, if people don't, I'm not goin to do all that cuss and fighting and all that stuff, because that ain't that ain't who I am.
I think you've had very powerful and impactful moments without doing any of those things. Like the first episode, we were all feeling for you when you finish that and like.
Seeing me, I appreciate it.
And then now this episode you just won, and I think that everybody on the stands watching you felt it.
I mean, you know, we saw the interviews with people being like we never heard him grow like that before, Like right, everyone felt that at you never heard him yell right.
Yeah, but that's the time to do it, Like when you're showing and like all of your students and your kids are gonna watch you, and you're like, dude, that man fifty years old and crushing it, like you're you're showing up in such a differ amazing way. So I think that you're showing up exactly how you need to be, and I think it's dope to watch you, Like, well, I appreciate it.
Yeah, that's one thing TJ said too. He said, you know, my guy, he said, you played the game your way. You didn't compromise it for anything, he said, you you know, and I appreciate He said, you probably one of the nicest dudes I've ever met on the challenge. Oh you know what I'm saying. That meant a lot coming from him because he, you know, TJ is quick with the with the one liners. He don't care who he offens, who.
We tell the true one.
And so he said that to me. I was like, Okay, did.
He say that to you before or after he saw you twerk?
We need to know. We got to back up. We got to back up because maybe you should have been an actor or a stunt double. When you fell, it looked so realistic. I need to know. Did you pull your hamstring or did you not?
No? I didn't. I didn't.
Now, so you were just injury free?
Yeah, injury free. I'm I'm a So you just faked this out?
Yeah?
By nature?
It was so it was so believable, It was so good it was and it was so unexpected. I feel like you've shown us so many sides of you, but that right there took it. That was it for me. I was cracking up, dude, and he was so believable.
My favorite thing about that is like nowadays, like I'm not going to say out any names when people on the Challenge thirty nine, like the Flagship have literally said that people from All Stars and you know, just coming at people's age saying they're creaky and old. And for you to have that fucking moment where you literally make everyone believe that maybe you did get injured, and then you start working like.
I just want I want that great bath, that great back. Nothing creaky about that bad, right, dude, nothing creaky he was doing. He was like doing what's it called cows? Not even everything is right. I would have been like, give me water. You were like, hold on, you finished elimination one more trick. Well you you got.
That celebration and you got to win, and then you had to go stand and watch Ayana and Rachel.
Who was your money on before the game started?
Man, I think it really was on Rachel. And the reason why is because Ayana was going through so much of a mental windstorm, you know, two days prior. It's hard for some of the greatest athletes to put it all together, you know what I mean coming from it when when you're going against a great competition like Rachel. You know, Rachel's a beast, you know, and yes, straight up and take nothing from Mayana because she's she's fueled
by something different. You know, Like at that one point when Ayana wasn't saying anything, she was sitting and they was in a stalemate, you know, but you know, just knowing athleticism. You know, I saw Rachel had it, man, he really had it.
So yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it's just one of the Rachel runs with the best of them. She's another one that you know, has been planning in for a long time. Her and I work out together in Miami and she crushes me every time.
And I am a quote unquote new school So.
I Rachel, people, no matter who you are, she's given you a run for your money. And I think that Ayana also is a beast, but like, yeah, there's so much that goes into winning an elimination, Like you really do have to be in the right head space and you and I think that, Yeah, it just it just
wasn't her night. But regardless of how messy some of the situation she was in, Like, I feel like she got to share her story in a beautiful way and she has a way of making you root for her from the outside regardless of what she you know, of the drama she gets involved in. So, yeah, it sucks that Cyrus and Ayana have to go, but it's dope that you and Rachel get to stay.
And now you guys need to get a star.
And so what was that like? For you getting off.
That was I was huge, man, because I was trying to figure out, like, how can I get a star without going into the elimination round. But then at the same time, it like it really there's no other way, because you know, if you happen to finish in the bottom of one of these you know, challenges, you're going you know, they're going to vote you in based off of the relationship. And I was like, well, you know, get your star, man, get your stars, save your behind,
you know, for another week, and let's do it. And so when I got it, you know, I come from the from the old school of you take down the big dog first so that you can make yourself, you know, kind of cruise through the rest of the way. So that's why I selected Brad, you know what I mean, because it's like, yo, Brad's a beast. I gotta take down the big dog first, you know, And people say, well, he come back after you. Man. Look, I'd rather be
running in front than to be running from behind. You know what I'm saying.
I need you to do something. I need you to come on all the shows in the beginning and sit down and just you know, or send a letter and email a letter an email to future contestants on this show, future participants and just let them know that. But then also don't because I feel like I'm a guitar, you
know what I mean. You also get weaponized. I think when you're a bigger, stronger, browner competitor, it happens a lot, especially, But I am grateful that you're here for the representation too, which makes me, which makes me happy because back then there wasn't a lot of us all at one time. There was only like one.
That's it, you know, there's that one dude, So it was no problem that people knew you because you was the only one for the next eight months.
Right. However, however, it's it's nice to have that and that camaraderie and that kind of like you know, you need whatever. It's nice to see that. It's also nice to see like the emotional part two, have the strong part two and say you can be all of these things. So I'm grateful that you are there. I'm grateful that you can express that and you don't have to be you know, you don't shot you're not an angry person.
Like to show these different layers, these different dimensions to your personality, So thank.
You for that, no problem, thank you.
Yeah, it's it's literally amazing watching you. You're and watching amazing watching you.
It's amazing watching you be well like you you really you really, you really gave it to us.
You're giving, You're serving this season. The fans are starving and we feel fed now, So thank you.
So appreciate they appreciate it. Yeah.
Do you do you think that this elimination wind proved something to the people in the house.
Yes, I definitely do. You know. Uh, actually two things. One thing is, uh, we need to watch out for them, you know what I mean, you know, because he is he is tough, he's not afraid to go ahead and head with someone. The other thing is that even after the elimination, you know, I guess, without getting too forward, there's no love loss. You know, you did what you
had to do. We go back into the house. Because at the same time, why would I start hating on someone who I know I probably will be on your team soon, and then you may not have the trust in me, you know, you may say that, well, I don't trust that he's going to actually give it his all, so I don't want to put him on my team as opposed to saying like, yo, Keith is still legit and he's a tough competitor. I want him now on my team because it gives me a better chance to not get eliminated.
See you said, all the girls are playing smart games, and look at you.
This is like five steps ahead.
Yeah, that's that. That's that old wisdom.
This is smart.
We like the old wisdom, right, yeah, and I am excited to see how it translates. I also want to get your take on what you think about how Rachel chose ten star to give to Veronica. What did that feel like being there in person? Did you believe that maybe there was a conversation had prior. Was everyone kind of shocked by it?
I think I think some people were shocked. I wasn't shocked because how it played, it's it's really, you know, just protecting each other, you know what I mean, because uh, you know, V is the one that I think. I think, to me, they really protect V even though she doesn't need the protection. But you know, it's it's just that you can kind of see that relationship. The three of them have a bond that beyond the cameras that's going to last, you know, the test of time, you know
what I mean. And so you know that definitely was a conversation about it. You know, even though I didn't witness it. Rachel is a calculated person and the way they all you know, smiled throughout the process, knew the hate. It worked out the exact way we plan, you know what I'm saying, And so it was, it was it was not surprising, I guess I should say for myself because it's like if she stole her star, it was like,
what is she going to do with it? Because you just see Rachel's face, you know, it's like, Okay, she got something else up her sleeve. And then when she did it that way, I was out. That's just the way they are, man. You know, I loved it, oh man, in that situation because now I was thinking of personally, you know what I'm saying, taking a star myself, you know, and giving it to someone else. But then I was like, dude, people don't know you yet. You need to protect yourself.
Go ahead and take the star from the big dog and just ride with it, you know what I mean, Because now since the big dog is not safe, this next challenge you don't know. It may be something you need you know that you're good at, you know that you're great at, and it may put him in automatically get them off the table. So now you know you're you're one one notch above and just keep on moving that way, you know, because this season.
With that was the first physical challenge, right you know what I mean, that was the first physical elimination, you know, And so I was like, what if the rest of them are puzzles, are more physical eliminations, you know, who knows?
So this game can go anywhere. So I was like, at least I know that if I get a star, I'm protected from you know, him in the future, right, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's my whole deal.
I think that makes sense.
And I think it's interesting, like you don't really have a choice to not steal I mean, obviously if you if you need one, then you need to steal it. But like in Rachel's had to steal it, So it definitely creates it creates that extra layer of drama and calculation, which is interesting to know now. But yeah, going forward, like is there now that you have a star, what's
your mindset? Is there anything that you can tease for the for the future of this season without giving away any spoilers, Like is there any new alliances that form? Do you, you know, use your star to command power, like tell us the Jews.
Well, taking getting a start, you automatically know that you are now walking around the house with a poor chop around your neck and he's a hungry lions.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
So if I didn't have enough reason for them to go after me before, I definitely do now, which is fine with me because now I kind of I'm kind of now orchestrating their mindset, you know what I mean. So it's not necessarily you know, hey walking around tiptoeing around me, you know, saying all these stories or saying whatever. Well, keeople, we don't know him. Da da da da. It's like, now I got a start, so I do have a
reason for you to come after me. So if you're gonna come, come on, you know, And I'd rather for you to say that you're gonna come, because now I know that I can fight you from the front and I don't have to fight you from the.
Back totally, you know. I love the confidence.
Yeah, and I mean, but you know, I'm gonna see how long I can keep it. You know, nothing lasts whatever, but it would be good, you know, because I'm hearing all these stories about who knows when a purge is coming and all this kind of.
You know, everybody loves to say the P word. Yeah, the birds on the whole season.
And we know about horror movies. What happened horror move Black people die first. So what I'm saying, so I know, if a come, I better watch out.
Are we to expect Eddie Moore huge fights?
Yeah?
Of course.
It's spicy. You know, this is spicy.
It's going to fight to the end. That's just that's what reality TV is.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's it's spicy on All Stars though, yeah, you get over thirty five, He's just get spicy, right right.
It's like that crazy that crazy uncle that say everything to everybody. You know, well, you know the interineal daddy. You'd be like, shut up, you can say something because you feel like I'm old enough and I can get away with it. So that's what that's what happened. You know, you got old people in the in the house, and they gonna say stuff. I love that.
I can't. I can't wait to use that if I go on another show, I'm using that exact thing, like I'm sorry, I'm old. I can't control it.
Exactly.
You can't. That's that's discrimination. Now, that's like agent, you leave me alone here exactly, Keithles said.
So that's a rule, that's right.
Oh my god, that's so good. Well listen, Keith.
It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast and watching you so far this season.
I'm so excited for what's to come up in the.
Future and where can people follow you on social media if you have any or if there's anything that you want support on in the social media realm, like drop your handle now.
Oh man, pretty much all social media platforms. My first and last name keith la hair k E f l A h A r E. At Instagram, what's that? The Twitter?
Uh?
TikTok of course the old folks. Facebook. My Space is probably still out there somewhere if you want to do that, but go and look it up. And you know, I had my my private settings on, but I guess it's time to take it off soon. Yeah, do that. I appreciate it. So I appreciate it because I mean looking at everybody's social media, like, damn, they don't even know me yet, you know, so I can't even like I hit follow or you know, ask for a request. Nobody
say anything back. But it's all good, you know, it's all because.
You've made your You've made your second debut, You've made your second day. He's back and gentlemen, keep blessed us with his presence and we are excited to see where this goes.
Come on, now, go watch your boy, and thank.
You again for coming on the show. Keiper. Seriously, Pa, You're amazing.
I appreciate you, ladies, love you so much. Man, thank y'all.
What an incredible guy. Like, Yes, he's incredible.
It's so nice to like re meet him in a way because it's been so long since he's been on the show.
But he is making an absolutely astounding re entrance. What do you think of, Lisa Toy you were in a diaper re meet him?
Yeah, but I've seen the I've seen episodes like clips of that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I have to study, Anissa. Oh, I like that you're studying.
Thank you. No, but he is he is great. I think he's just so funny, and I think that you should try that move at some point.
Oh I don't think I could pull it off as.
Good as him. It was so good. I want to watch it again. It was so I really thought he was hurt. God, it was so good.
Honestly, anybody listening to this, if you have watched it and you have the ability to screen record it and send it to us, please send it to me.
And Anissa, where can they send it to you? What's your handle on Instagram? Oh, Anissa, MTV A N E E s A m TV send it to me? Yeah? Yeah, toy? Yeah can Where can they find you? Follow you, support you, buy a book, Thank you, bye whatever, Thank you, Anisa.
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