The Beginning of the End w/ Devyn & Da'Vonne

Hi everyone. I'm Devin Simone and I'm.

Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.

What Whooo. Okay, So we were going to have Jay on because y'all know we can go all season, and I have Jay on because Jay was running things. If Michelle was the Godfather, Jay was I don't know whoever the person next to the godfather was in the movies. I don't remember, but you know the person that was my son's name. There's got to be a name. We need to figure that out. There's a name, but anyway,

I think that he's missing an opportunity by not coming to talk to us, because if you that's one thing I learned about being in reality TV, and I'm pretty sure you have to. If you don't tell your story, you leave room open for people to write. You gotta tell it, to say whatever they want to say, and create whatever narrative if they want to. That's why it's so important for you to tell your story so we can watch a.

Show world period. We can watch the show and we can see how it's.

Edited, but only you know what you meant behind them, only you in the gaps, absolutely exactly, So definitely missed opportunity.

A missed opportunity as a whole. Plus it's like, look, if you're gonna make those moves, because there's also debates around are you a real champion if you never had to go into a final and if you had everyone do your dirty work? And I do think people are forgetting that in more recent seasons that we've seen CT dominate, we've seen bananas dominate. Those fools aren't going into the oregas. They don't have to. That's why they made the skulls rule.

You can't run from the reunion. You can't run from the reunion.

But just because we don't have a guest doesn't mean we don't have things to say.

Ooh, what an episode. Wake Up Day, Boni's final.

I'm so excited Part one, Part one, Part one, Because you know TJ loves a good cliffhanger, right, he also likes really nasty foods, which we're gonna get into momentarily because he is having way too much fun.

Girl, Because what was the reason TJ.

TJ is so unseerious talking about my chefs prepared, TJ, you need to hire some new chefs then, because I don't the things that they make. I I and then the eyeball, I just oh, oh, oh, oh oh.

I got the letters from home.

I just want to start there, yes, because that's after you know, how you play the season and maybe you'll get a phone call occasionally, but then like to get an actual letter from somebody you love from home, It's like ah, and they're right at the final. It's like, okay, now I'm recharged. Now I remember why this is happening.

You know.

Yeah, I mean we never had that in our finals. I'm not bitter about it, but we never hit that in our finals. But I feel like that is we did have that my senior year of high school though, and it was very sweet. And I think it's so sweet seeing this. But two things that stood out to me, Oh, Emanuel getting a letter from his girlfriend, the one that apparently he forgot that he had Okay, he was cupcaking all season or canoodling or movie watching with arms around me.

You need better.

I wonder what letters she's sending now. I'm curious. I feel like you should find out. But that was that was interesting. And then Berna, like, I know, Berna can be so like challenging and to some people, right, Like we've heard people say in the house that she can be tough, and we've seen her be tough on herself, but I don't know about you day, but seeing her reaction to not getting a letter from her mom and just talking about like everybody else seemed recharged by their letters,

It was definitely awful to watch, you know.

Previously she spoke about the relationship or lack thereof, between her and her mom and how complicated it is between the two of them, and so not getting a letter and not hearing from anyone like it just oh baby, I just want the hugger because that has to be rough, and then you see and support around you from everyone else. You know, everyone has these people that love and care

Just wanted to hugger. I just really wanted to give.

Her a hug. Yeah. Same, That's that's really really tough. I actually think, like I think Bernad, deep down at her core, it's actually a sweetheart. I think she just has a really tough exterior and it's also really critical of herself. And so yeah, that was just that was just hard to see, you know, wanted to send her love and support and and we kind of see her being tough on herself throughout this final TiO. But no

Together in a combination. Just throw it in a blender and give it to them. Maybe. All right, what who's mind? Come on?

Like?

This is horrible.

This is people's stomach linings. I've got to be destroyed. Can you imagine there's stomach linings? Have just got to be perman.

What was the the jalapeno shots? Nurse was throwing them back like it was no big deal.

I'm not gonna lie, ma'am, ma'am. Haven't you had a good spicy margarita? Hallapeno margarita? I mean those are that's really good? Wait, Davion, you don't like spie? Okay, we need to have that's a whole separate conversation. Just when you think you know a person, let this be a listen. Just when you think you know a person, you do a podcast with them for years, and then all of a sudden they hit you with they don't like spicy? What even is that?

Okay?

So now we go to the looking for a chest of ropes in a castle while connected by rope. I hate these connected by rope challenges they just give they like. I think it makes me feel claustrophobic or something. It's weird. I don't like being chained to anybody.

I don't like it, girl, That's not my deal at all, whatsoever.

I feel like that's a situation where you have to really be dependent on the people around you.

And I don't like him.

Like, I'm a team player at heart, but in situations that's too much of a team like I want to be a solo artist to some extent, you know what I mean.

I feel like it's a little too intrusive for me, you know.

I think that going through this challenge and having to collect the ropes, I feel like in the beginning, right, I feel like, in the beginning, Corey made the smartest decision in this situation because he didn't carry any ropes throughout the whole process of looking for the chest right, So everyone else is already getting tired. They're carrying around the ropes just on the search, you know. And then

What you then, what else do you think contributed to it?

They couldn't figure it out, That's what I think.

They couldn't figure it out because remember, only certain ropes went to certain pieces, so you would have to measure them right, you would have to make sure that this one went over here and this one did that. I think it was like, I think everyone played a part in it. It was a team situation. I think like he's innocent, of course, but I don't think he was the sole reason that it wasn't finished. I think it was just easier to put the blame on him because he meant visible.

Mistake, right, And I kind of don't blame them for that because it, yeah, right, I kind of don't blame them for being like, we're just gonna be mad at Corey in that and that highesture situation right where you're stressed, a lot of money's on the line. Like, I kind of don't blame them, but I think you probably have a point where maybe it wasn't solely Corey dropping the rope that was the issue of why they lost some money.

Wait what are you we going to the same page, because I was really proud of him, like, okay, let's go. Yeah.

Yeah, I felt like that was good. Especially I feel like it's a bit of a one eighty of what we saw earlier in the season where he was just kind of like reckless and didn't care about anyone in only self preservation. And here we are in the final. And I mean, also, let's be fair, Corey can do math, and so Corey knows that like everybody else, so you might as well just like himself in. But I still think ultimately it's commendable. But my how the tables turned here and this is why I got out.

Yes, Corey said it's time.

The time has come, we didn't see that twist at all.

No, I wasn't prepared at all. And you know that that was so good.

The unfortunate part about it, well fortunate unfortunate part about it for j was the fact that his strategy of building the boxes on the uh in the little piece that was on the floor, that was great because all he had to do was pick them up and stack them, you know, pick him up by fours or by three or whatever and stack them.

So he had a great strategy.

But when he just like he was too confident, he was too confident, and they slid all off the board. It just went everywhere, and I was like, oh, Jay,

I was just eating watching it. I didn't feel bad at all. I mean, I understand the stress I've been in You know, I get that and can have empathy towards that, but I think how he's played the game this far, and I don't even mean him not going into elimination because I don't hold judgment against that, right, I've spoken of that before, but I feel like the

Ups those puzzle pieces like this, this this speed, this strength, like this focus, this how he zoned in. I have not seen that Corey all season, and so to see him like, okay, well I did that intentionally, so I wanted them to think I was weak, and now that we're here, let me show them exactly what I can do, right I did.

It's interesting that they target Rossio and Kylon so much, which granted they are formidable poep like, I mean, obviously their threats, that's not a question. But like the fact that they just silently slept on Corey, I don't know that that was the smartest. I mean, he's a physical specimen. Like if you've seen Corey in person, Corey is not small. He is strong, he is tall, he is smart, like.

He is kind, he is important, he.

Is so Yeah, it's wild, But props Cory for making that happen. All right, we have to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this.

Okay, you're ready, because I'm ready, and I think we already Okay, Now let's get back to the show.

You pointed out the TJ had a little slick comeback when he was talking about me the control. Yeah, he was.

Telling each player, you know, how they contributed to the game. He gets to J and he's like, you have ran or been the leader. Oh no, You've had complete control over a loyal alliance.

And I'm like, DJ, you just slicked told these people that they were puppets.

Yeah, letting these people know that they have been puppets for this entire game. But at the end of the day, the puppets made it. I mean, shout out to the Pinocchios and the Pinocchioshes.

They all got it.

I know, right that as that is true and you see that it literally was like kind of the middle crew. With the exception of Nourice, it was kind of the people hanging in the middle that ended up staying in the house, you know what I mean, Like not the ones winning everything in the most verbal but not the ones at the very literally just kind of like the middle.

C Colleen, Yes, Colleen, That's what I'm saying.

The people who you I didn't expect trying to make it to the final, right, and so now it's like I'm looking up at the people in the final and I'm like, Colleen, I forgot you know, hey girl, but what I forgot that she was there a lot of times until you know her and the rest that back and more, and so for her to get there, it's like, oh girl, but.

You know she she she ain't been doing things. She ate the hell out that food. I tell you that right now. Shout out to her. She put that food.

She didn't do her thing in this final, get out of here. She now the yeah, now the eating challenge, my girl, she killed it. She killed it. So we're talking about like in Chaos right where they had the different stages. So there was the untangled the rope thing. Everybody seemed to do decent enough ish with that. Oh well, Berna was struggling and her growin. You know, I've never fully pulled a groin muscle. But I kind of I

Norese happened to do all of this work.

Oh my god. That yet Nourise. When Nourse was doing well the kayak was hilarious. The fact that Therese was like, I saw Maria and kayak last time, so so I'm not that hopeful. And then when they had to do the cutting thing, Nourise and Colleen you also had something very much to say about this, Yeah, because I.

Would have made Colleen carry the damn boxes back by herself, because what else are you doing? What else are you doing?

Theresa is doing all of this word Colleen didn't even try. She did it.

You can do it, girl, you can do it. If you don't move, I need you to be physical. I do not need your work.

And then when Pice was like I hurt my hand, Colleen didn't even say anything.

That nothing. Colleen was like your bed, it really didn't.

That was so poor Nourice and she just had an uphill battle all season. And then get this. So then you see the eating portion, right, and Colleen does demolish that, and Berna Bernard does want to eat it. And then she tells Colleen and German, I can't stand you pressuring me, like.

She says, you gotta get away from me. Take all that encouragement over there. Yes, and teachers.

Like Collein, you're not gonna help your teamate Colleen's like I tried, and Colley goes back over. I was like, Bernard, can I help you? And Berno was like, I mean, you can sit here if you want.

Unless you can eat the food. There's nothing you can do for me.

I cannot. It's like unintentionally comical. Meanwhile, everybody else went through and then Corey, like Corey stopped throwing up so loud. He turns around and looks at them.

Like, show me the way to silently throw show me okay, but you really don't have to be that loud. Sometimes you do it as strategy. I thought he was doing this strategically.

Oh that's what I thought.

You know, see your rain does things like that. That's a that's a valid point. I wonder if he was. I'm to text him because that's actually good because some.

People, if they just hear the sound of vomit, they will vomit.

Right.

They were doing that on one of my seasings, and luckily.

I wasn't eating, so I was singing on top of it because they were trying to do it to my partners, I just start singing on top of it.

But yes, it's definitely can be it can be used as a strategy. That's what I thought he was doing.

I thought Corey was just being blissfully unaware as sometimes we see what they do.

So is racking up these first places.

I mean racking you know. And I feel so bad.

Because I feel in the beginning when it was Manu to reach, was that the first couple?

I think that was nose. Emmanuel and Colleen were the first one.

Oh okay, oh they were the final one.

Yeah, in the final it was a Manuel Colleen right, first one.

Close my mouth, never mind, it doesn't even matter, no, tell me what we say.

Because if they were the pair in like the beginning, and they stayed paired all the way out, I think they would have been a force to be reckoned with.

Oh, one hundred percent, That's what I was thinking the minute we saw them together yeah.

I appreciate the fact that they had them jumbled and everybody had to be with at least one person the whole time, because even at the end, TJ said get the person who you have not been with, so everybody had to.

Work together at some point in time.

And I thought that was really really good, really really really.

I mean they they did that on free agents. They balanced it out, and I definitely was the burner. I don't say I was the Colleen, but I was probably the burner of the group, meaning I was the slowest of the pairs that we had to do or well yeah, no, although Bananas and I finished the second checkpoint the fastest. Yeah, but it's because we figured out the puzzle, that's why. It's not because we were running. He had to carry me on his back part time. But anyway, yeah, where

What do you do in this situation?

Do I hurt myself or either way she's gonna you know, potentially yeah, with the short end of the stick.

So yeah, like it was. It was sort of sad because Nourise is the people's chance. I'm gonna just say this is in Nourse is the people's chant. She's just fought so hard and she keeps like a smile on her face though I mean she'll smack you if you

Girl the running who runs?

Like that? Who run?

Because this challenge has this, this this final has been running, running and eating. Okay, And when they're running and they're encouraging each other, like Emanuel was like, oh, you're doing a good job, and She's like, oh, thank you, Corey, Oh you're doing a good job.

Oh thank you. How are you guys?

Talking and running? Like I can't breathe just watching you guys run. So where you find trying to do that is absolutely insane? Like the running is rediculous. Probably couldn't do it final, I'm just gonna go ahead.

I mean, probably can do.

It better than them yelling obscenities like Zach did I, Yeah, I couldn't. I don't like running. We already know that. I don't like running at all, and so yeah, that's hard speaking of the of the you know, the support we're seeing, although honestly, okay, hot take, I kind of feel like when we saw the running, like with the chains, for example, we're going I know we're going back, but like and I saw Jay kind of like trying to encourage encourage Corey. I just felt like it was a

No one's given him a run for his money. Once Jay was gone, it was good.

Yeah. And now that I think about it, was he always a secret threat? You know? Like was he just like undercovered the whole time? And he's like a dominating monster and all the different thing, you know what I mean? Like I'm really intrigued now. Some people have said that he's like the vampire Jordan or something like that. I don't know that I'm paraphrasing.

He played hard on his social game. His social game got him to the final. Once he got to the final, he was like cool, time to unleash the beast. And that's what I think happening. He like really relied on his game. Nobody wanted to put him in, and he was like everybody they were friends. If not friends, then they were flirting. You know, he played the f game.

Friends are flirting.

One of the two was going on, and they didn't want to put him in, and so he made it all the way.

That's a huge rated way for you to put it. Davon.

Yeah, you know, yeah, no the lord. So you know, here we go.

So That's a really good point though. Yeah, I wonder if he's the vampire Jordan. People should be worried because we know that Jordan is just fricking yeah, you know, amazing, one of the greats, so like, and I think the thing with Jordan, though, is he always came out the gate with a big mouth, like talking a lot. So he had targets on him really early because he just

Jordan is very much so I know what I can do. You don't know what I can do, but I know what I can do.

Yeah, and Manuel's been quiet about it. And let me let me find out that, I mean, well, is actually a rock star. Well, we may not like him next week, because next week they left us in the cliffhanger. We were about to see who he throws in. Who do you think it's gonna be day, I think it's gonna be the reason.

And I mean, at this point, it just makes sense, like for her underdog story, it just makes sense for her to go into another. We expect it, you know, and then we also expect her to come out on top, like.

You know, that's my little engine that could Who do you think?

So if it is her, who do you think she picks to go against?

She picks Berna. Berna's very weak right now. And I don't mean I don't mean like she's a weak person. I mean mentally mentally she's not there. Mentally, she's checked out.

That's actually a good point.

She checked out.

She yeah, and she has the most We've been told that they dislike each other, although they killed it. They did the challenge together. They did so good, they worked so well together. I was so proud of both of them, so good, said.

Man, I did this and survivor.

Yeah. I'd love to see them pairs of together, like like put their differences aside and work together, because I also think actually that they would be one hell of a team. Oh yeah, I mean they both have tempers, o lord, but I feel like they could be one hell of a duo. Oh. I would hate if she picked Berna. I kind of feel like she should pick Colleen.

She she grabs burn or she kicks Colleen that's another one I was gonna.

Say, because Colleen timed out on everything, and did you catch Colleen? You know what? This is actually gonna move us into our timeouts? All right? Can I just I'm

My time out of the week goes to Burnet and Colleen.

Colleen simply because I did not appreciate the whole situation with the cutting.

Of the boxes, how she did not assist Maurice.

At all, and even what she did not at all maybe no no, no, no, no no. And then with Burna like, I want to give her this time out because but at the same time, it's kind of hard because you kind of have to understand mentally, she didn't get a letter from home, you know, so that's probably weighing on her heart as well, so she already feels alone. But the amount of times if she continuous excess to herself.

I can't do this. I can't do this. This is too hard for me. I can't, I can't. I can't. I can't.

I can't.

Maybe I need you to get a can in your life. I need you to get a can.

A will into your life, you know what I mean.

And so I just feel like she just kept doubting herself and not, you know, and in so much so to where she's now combating when her and Colleen were partners, You're becoming combative.

I'm trying to encourage and motivating uplift.

Yeah, you're making it harder for you.

Yeah, yo, all my time you costed me, you know what I mean.

So I just think it's like, oh baby, So I had to give Berna and Colleen equally.

Put them in corners the time out.

So, yeah, who's your gonna start for this week?

My go tour Numinies. Actually one of them goes to Berna. And here's why I love some growth. And Berna when she was doing the puzzle challenge with he Manuel, said, last time it didn't work because we both are run in our mouths. So this time I'm gonna zip it.

All right, now we have to take a quick break, but right back after.

This, Okay, let's get back into this show. Who's your goal start day?

So my goot Star nominations go to Nourice.

Of course, then they also go to Corey, Eddie, Manuel, right, Emanuel, just because he's showing up right Boom, I'm here, I have arrived. I'm giving it to Corey for the same exact reason. Boom, I'm here and I have arrived, you know, and he's showing out in this final.

I can also say that.

He's been encouraging, he's been motivated, he's been determined, like he's really getting the job done the best that he can. And so I want to break it down between the three of those.

But the person that gets the most piece of the Star is.

Definitely Nourice because I feel like my girl has been drug through the mud this season and the way she holds her head high like a champ like. Of course, the title goes to the winner, but I do believe through this season she has classified herself. It's yes, she has the most champ like qualities that we see, I think this season, So I definitely want to give that to her, for sure.

Well said, Well said, almost as well said as TJ was well dressed when he was on that wheel and he had on a button down, he had a little inbilum side. He had on those aviators and then he did the backwards cap thing and the wind blowing through his fur. Okay, TJ, we see you, yes, sir, love it, living for it, We appreciate it. We also appreciate some good predictions.

Oh, come on, predictions, Yeah, okay, Now I know we already discussed a few predictions.

We were talking about Emmanuel voting in Nourice and she would possibly go against But Day, what are your other predictions for the season finale of the Challenge Battle for a new Champion?

You know what, I feel heavy in my spirit that he's going to pick Nourice. And that's fine if she does go in. My girl is a war right and she is a champ in my heart, Okay, And I know she's a champ in her heart as well, And so I predict she comes up on not that thing, you know.

And like I said, like I've been saying, this season is her story.

I agree.

Oh, her winning this whole thing would just be like the perfect ending.

To this entire season. Like I need my girl to pull it through. That would be perfect for me. What about you?

Well, can we talk about too what a difference a season makes, Like I know we all like challenge fandom. By the way, I have to shout out to all the challenge fans I saw at the super Bowl last week. There were so many that came up and they are like in it to win it and listening and watching,

Keep hands off the poodles.

Yes, keep your hands off the poodle, but back to the predictions for this season, like I want Nourice to win. I want a girl twin. I agree. Look, Sam Wi you want to say, I just think, yeah, I think that would be really cool. And I do shout out to the production because I do. When I first heard it was going to be a solo winner, I was kind of like, how is that really gonna work? Like,

Now.

I know she has mood swings that we don't like, okay, but I also just empathize after we saw the whole letter thing with her family, right, she really feels like she's on her own. I really do actually think at the core she like tries to come from a good place like I do. Maybe I'm wrong again, I wouldn't in the house, but I yeah, I kinda I want to want to take Berna under her wing and just soften her a little.

Bit because then my story there, right, Yeah, once you found out what the.

Story was, it's like, damn, she comes out come and talk to me.

Yeah, I think I want I'd say I want Berna to be the other person and then Corey. Yeah, I'm still struggling because when I've hung out with Corey, which only like once or twice whatever, outside of all this, he's so fun, like so fun, and clearly he has great qualities because a lot of people do like him

You know what. It's so funny because throughout the season we've been.

Saying, how did Corey get the house to turn and get them to like him again?

And I'd be damned if he didn't do it to us, you know what.

You know what, you ain't lying and the Cory effect and the Cory sourcer. You ain't lying because he actually fun. Like what he was fun, So yeah that you know what, Corey, we need to talk to you. You figure out I need to come back. Yeah, I mean I still wouldn't trust you if I was playing against you in the game. But he is. He is like a fun vibe. He actually is so like and I think even though he goes back, you know what, he's kind of like burn up.

We were kind of like TJ's angels anyway.

Yeah we really are, aren't we. Maybe that's a shirt idea. I already forgot what the other shirt idea we had was. We clearly didn't execute it. I didn't take my medication that day.

I need you to focus, girl, I'm trying.

I literally I was in Vegas all week and left my left it here. Girl. It was a struggle. It was literally squirrel every five minutes trying to focus a mess, but fortunately my chiefs focused. Shout out to them. Yeah, okay, so all good predictions. You will see if we indeed are correct or if we should never gamble on anything. But we will find out on next week's episode. But in the meantime and in between time for those who want to hang out with you, go Kiera was so proud.

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He didn't lie.

Maybe he didn't, but I just I could just so picture Corey saying that, which is why I'm bringing it up even though I don't have I didn't text Corey to ask if he said it, but I feel like he would have. That is just so funny to me because I could totally see him saying that, and yes, he's one hundred percent right. There's no way. There's just no way, which is why j has to be super disappointed about how it ended, because this was really his

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