Split Decision w/ Fessy Shafaat

do that. Um this episode. I love seeing a mini final. Yeah, you love seeing it. You don't want to do it? I sure don't want to do it, Nope, but I love seeing it in there. How did it feel watching it back in Nissa? I mean they didn't show all of the things. At one point, Jordan was rapping to me. He loves key Glock and he was just rapping to me, and I was keeping my beat with that. We're really good as like workhorses, like we would have never put

down our gurney, which we didn't. We worked really well together, but overall, like going into it, you were mad at each other. Um, so I just it was a very

emotional day for me. I love seeing the energy you guys had, though, because even when he stepped off, like the difference between you and Jordan when he stepped on, and I also love the sort of analogy that the floor's lava right like that that essentially was that part of the daily But when he stepped off, the energy you guys had versus Nannie and Bananas right, and the dysfunction and communication there, it was cool to see him being encouraging and you two and you not quit, which

is I feel like, what you're known for. And it was just kind of fun towards when if I ever quit. That's why I just said what you're known for, you know what. I literally just said, you don't quit. That's what you're known for. And you know what, Thank you. I'm sorry, I heard. Okay, so let's do our time out. I'm gonna give myself the time out, thank you. I'm just give myself the time. I'm gonna sitting time out for this one. Thank you. And who gets your gold

Star of the week. I'm gonna give my goal old star to Mariah One. She's never done the show before. She is paired up with somebody who who just goes and to put herself through, put her body through what she put it through. Um takes a lot. And to win one of the harder challenges this season, yeah means a lot. Yeah, you know, and a gold star for talking talking her shit in her interviews, saying what she needed to say. You know, gold star. I agree. I agree with that. I'd say time out for this week

is gonna go to Jordan. I just didn't like the way he approached Tori. And I know we only got fragments of that conversation, and he is well within his rights to mac to whomever. I get it. Well, we got in a whole fight before that, we got a whole fight fight, I thought, so the whole thing. When Tori's outside by the fire, Jordan and the Rees were kind of cuddling watching the movie. So I saw it. I look at Tory, Tory looks at me. Tori goes outside, and we saw it. They made eye contact to Tory,

goes outside whatever with Devin. I didn't leave yet, but when I did go outside, she told me, you know, like I'm a little uncomfortable. Did you see what I saw? I said, I totally saw that ship and then Jordan asked me what happened. I said, I don't feel comfortable telling you because Tory's my best friend. Tory wants to tell you. That's her story. She will tell you. Well, that started a whole fight with him, and I said, I have a forty year old woman. I am not

here to play with your fucking little games and your relationship. Goodbye. So the next day we got in a whole fight, and before the challenge even started, I didn't even think he was gonna perform with me. And then I'm like, well, I could just sit the fucked I don't even care at this point. Get me the fuck away from this man. But the minute the horn, like that's the thing with us, the minute the whistle goes off, it's like, okay, well

it's game time, right. I don't like the way that Jordan handled it, And I understand he has his own feelings and is in rightfully so, but empathy means, and especially for someone you cared about so deeply, means at least being able to see why bothers him to them and being mindful. Empathy is my biggest thing, and he was not in that moment, and I just can't imagine being in a room, you know, and I don't like any of my exes, but still like I just feel I just feel for Tori very much so and then

my gold star. I'd have to say, not to piggyback off you, but you brought some very good points about Mariah. I think she held her own. She and Bessie made this daily look easy. And I know it was not by any stretch, but I mean just the way he like powered through it. She really did an excellent job. And in picking teams, when you're new to this game, new to this show, you people in your ear trying to tell you one way or not. Like she definitely held her own. I give Mariah the gold star. And

then an honorable mention comes to TJ. He had a petty LaBelle moment in which he said, would all the losers of this today this week's daily challenge come into the zone, which is so shady TJ. But also his black zip up. I know some of you have commented that you like when I take notice of TJ's attire, he looked real fly in the outfit in the daily go back and rewatch, I don't know how I feel about the lumberjack outfit that was happening down in the zone.

I don't know, he's really kind of overdoing this sheerling collar thing. He did it twice last week, you know. But I love the good zipp I'm big on. I mean, I come on, Paul Bunyan, come through, TJ Bunny. He was Paul. He was Paul in the zone. Um someone who is not Paul Bunyan, but it's probably just as strong. His personality is very strong and polarizing too. People love him or hate him or love to hate him. We

have him on the podcast today. He is going to be talking about what it's like to be arguably the Nick Cannon of the challenge, what his headspace is going in, how he managed to slay in this challenge daily, and how he feels about Anissa now and whether or not they are friends. So stay tuned. We have an amazing interview with Bessie coming up. Grab a snack, but don't go anywhere, you know, do two things at once and be right back. Today we have Loverboy, number one athlete,

our friend, the guy you love to hate. Betsy Well, welcome to the podcast. Was waiting for I I want to be nice about this. I don't. I'm not going to be because you told me not to be mean at the end of the episode, which I'm not. So I wanted to give you. I've given you so many compliments in your life. I think I ran out. Yeah, well, I mean the whole vote and me end thing I really like. I was like, all right, it's it's a million, you know, I mean it was. I knew it was

either me and Mario or Chauncy and Amber. Like when we broke it down, I would just like, remember that conversation we wanted to have but we couldn't have because we only had ten minutes. And I came up. I put my pride to the side up to your room, ahire. You were getting ready for interrogation because everybody's like, man, just go to talk to Anissa. So I was all right, and You're like, oh, I ain't got time. I was like, damn.

I wanted Jordan to be there because I didn't want to just say something to you and then him and I not beyon want accord. We told you that, But that's not what this podcast about. This is about you. I mean it can be because I know it's about all of it really is also Anissa in your introduction you were missing a part I know need. Please welcome Nick Cannon JUNR the Nick Cannon of the Challenge Bessie

Cannon to the show. We're gonna make a mean that mean about the repopulation of the world, and it's all like Nick's faces with different wigs. I think there should be one of Bessie also, certainly in Australia. It sounds like you're where you're working to do your part. But um, we're so excited to have you, mister Cannon. And I got no kids, you know, so I mean I was about to ask you you got children, but they do

call me daddy though. Okay, so before we get into because you know, we're going to definitely challenge you as because it's need somebody's gonna put your place. But I am, first of all shout out on this daily. I always think it's super impressive to win the dailies that are like essentially the mini finals, and you, guys, by no other means, there's no other way to describe it, crushed

this one. Good job to you, Maria. Can you tell us a little bit about you know, once you first heard what you had to do kind of what your thought process was and what the strategy was throughout each checkpoint, you know, to get to the finish line. Yeah. So originally, you know, I've said on record that I thought Tory and Devin stood the best chance. You know, when we were walking up to that minifinal, I was like, I thought they were the most well rounded team. Because Mariah

is really fit and she goes to the gym. She has an amazing body. But I didn't know how good her cardio was, you know, because it doesn't really do that kind of training. So this was a real test, and you know, I was really impressed that she didn't stop at all. You know, we just had a good pace. And I think, like what you saw with Harassio and Olivia, I think they were both trying to lead the team, whereas I'm saying I was sitting there telling Maria what

to do, but like she okay. But I did it in a respectful way like people love to say, like oh he's it, But like you know, I was encouraging her. You were very encouraging. I'll give you that. I'm just seizing you and you need a leader. I mean, you're having a good point, it's two people can't lead a team at the same time. Yeah, that was a problem

with Olivia Rassio. They both thought they had the better strategy and input, but that was lack of communication though, because we were behind them and then we passed them and it was just it was heavy. Man, I'm not gonna lie that ship was at what point did you think you guys were gonna to actually win it? The puzzle checkpoint on the first try, I was like, as long as we don't stop, we win, I was telling him Aria. I was like, all gas, no brakes, We're

gonna win this ship. Because I knew it was either a math or a geography or something that, you know, puzzle. I feel pretty comfortable, but like a lot of people feel comfortable and they and they shit the bed in it. So you know, how did you get it so fast?

Because everybody seemed baffled that you guys did it? Was that literally your only jab, to be honest, the puzzle, by the grace of God, because as soon as we stacked them all up to see before we even spun them, we're like I was like wait, wait, wait, and I was like, holy shit. Check and then they weren't even the producers and t J wasn't even coming over because it was so fast, and I was like double check, and I was like, holy shit, I think you know

they're all there, and they were like okay. So then I threw them all down, because that's the number one thing, right, when you're in first place, if you want to stay in first place, you knock your shit over because I'm a look, I'm gonna look, would too. But did you get it by accident, Bessie or then, or like? What was the strategy behind that? What was the our strategy was a stack up the pieces and then start to rotate them like everybody else. You know, you're figuring out.

But as soon as we stacked them up, um, it was just your luck. And nobody can say they were placed that way because they were all in a bandon. We were grabbing them at rank right, so it wasn't like it was already lined up for us. You know, we just grabbed them and that was one hundred percent luck. I ain't even gonna front on that. It just be like that sometimes. That's why I tell people, listen, what

was meant for you? It was meant for you, and just like this was meant for you to win that it just so happened to be in your favor to get that luck that day. So it is what it is. But I do want to ask you, because Bessie, you have been proven to be like a beast out here as a competitor, right and you've proven that time and time again. Why do you think you were so hard on yourself at the beginning of this episode, Like you

really were questioning yourself. And it's like, but we didn't seen you like hat and that part didn't get shown because I was like, you know that that was so sweet. Yeah, that's what the people needed to see. Yeah, you know, to be honest, like, it was that point in the game. You heard a lot of people's confessionals where it's that midpoint. A lot of people have like a significant other at that point in the game, you know, or somebody that we're getting to know, where as me, you already know

all mine and went home. So all twelve of them, all the relationships have already been established, you know. So I was like, he was like, now what am I gonna do? It was like I've already I'm not you know, it was like you already knew who it was. I was done. I was dull over the rest of time. So I was going through it and then like you you see Harassio, you know he I think me and Harassi aren't very similar. We just communicate in different ways.

So like he's really hard on himself. So you know, I've kind of grown to know that you're not gonna win all these dailies, and I've accepted that, but it is still frustrating when I'm like there's people walking around in the game like they like their shit don't stink, and I'm like with dog y'all in a lot of things, and like people ride the wave on social media and say, well, he hasn't want to fine or this, and I'm like all these other challengers that have one, they love to

hype that shit up because it's popular. And I'm like, Okay, I'm not dissing y'all, like y'all earn that shit and whatever, but everybody knows when it's time to show up to a daily or who you want on your team. They're not picking a seven time champ. They're picking, you know, the guy everybody loves. They Hey, that's just the reality of it. Are they really not picking a seven time champ? Though, I just I got a lot to say, so, I mean, but I mean, but well, just back to that, just

to that point. Are they really not picking a seven time champ? But you said that, like when it comes time to the daily, when it comes down to the dailies, you know, who are they picking on their team? They're not picking a seven time champ. They're picking and obviously like if I was team captain, I mean, you're of course you're stacked and we'll get on when you were team captain because that have a lot of questions about that.

Very well done, but you know, are people really not picking a seven time champ and picking so I feel like that's not you know they are. Mariah picked Jordan over Johnny. And the only reason Jordan went first because I wasn't down there. If I was down there, it could have went either way. I mean, Jordan's a fucking dog too. But I mean, I mean I put Jordan in a seven time He's not seven times chant, but in that same category caliber, Like I mean, it's freaking Jordan.

Jordan's being Johnny and ninety percent of pretty much any Yeah, Jordan's a special kind of Kate like he is. He's like a I don't know, slightly managed it all. I say it all the time, like and he's he I talked to him about it is I would I say, if you would go back and do it all over again to have two hands, would you? And he says no? And I was like, it doesn't make sense because that probably made him who he is, right right, He's worked hard his whole life. I'm the only one give him

a run for his money. And it's because I got two hands. Wait, let me tell you no. Remember when you went outside and you ran with him that night? Yeah, I was y'all ran fever. We were like, these motherfuckers are still running. I don't want to be a bitch. And you know, I know, it's like a game. He's running ahead and I'm following him. He's like he's wanting me to stop, and I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna

keep going because it's a mental game in there. And and that's that's a mental game me and Jordan were playing at that point in the game. Because you know, do you do you think Jordan helped you to like push yourself a little bit more? Um? Well, with the running. Um, it's just hard to stay motivated working on your cardio when ninety percent of the daily challenges aren't cardio. So it's like and to show up is gonna be a memory word scramble, and it's like what the fucking running

around the house all day? You know? But seeing Jordan do it, I was like, you know what that, I'm gonna hop right behind him because that's the fastest dude in't here. If he's running, I'd better be fucking running right behind him. FESSI brought his own goggles this season. He was ready to play. I tell you all the time, anisa like, you're forty now forty one, you can't tell though, thank you, thank you to come do crazy shit at

forty one. I'm gonna fucking go, man, I'm gonna take that hand and whatever comes with it, because I'm I got a chance that million dollars, So if that's right, come with it. So as long as you strength to do that, you're just battling yourself at that point. Were any of you annoyed watching this episode back and seeing how Johnny and Nannie were just so comfortable to be able to just give up if they were sitting there laughing and just like, what do you think made them

that comfortable? I thought it was hysterical entitlement. Man Like, like if you got people wanting to show up and bust their house on the show and they're just taking it for granted, like it's their twentieth season. Like, I know they were never going to get that part, but if you weren't gonna I've never seen Yeah, if you at a certain they were never going to get it.

I mean, but see, I felt like there's a contradiction then maybe even a little bit of hypocrisy because I feel like on this podcast specifically, we would chew out anybody else who would have tapped out like that. We would have viewed out any I wouldn't if it was a final yes, but on a daily absolutely not and do it. I've heard yeah, but they couldn't get past the puzzle, thank you, And he said they didn't even

keep trying. That's what I'm saying. It's people that are hungry for the wind that even if they need to go eat a snack, they need to go eat a snack. I think it was totally hilarious that they Cessie, what do you say let's say Ansa, you said, but they were they knew they were finished. Wasn't there a confessional of you and Jordan when you were in last place on the barrel saying well, you never know, we could catch up to him? And fuck, yeah, yeah I don't.

I couldn't. I couldn't have done. My championships came from behind. So why are they tapping out if they know anything could happen? Because I mean, it just screams entitled. But are they entitled because they've earned it? Is Bananas entitled at that place because he's earned it with his seven rings? To me, the difference between entitlement is being new on this show, which, to clarify, Davon is my different perspective.

I think there's a difference there. Right, wouldn't be because I'm not a seven time champ, But you know, they're still in this game. They still could win it, And I think you know, when you got moves like that, you can do are good at a lot of things in the game. You know, they're good at a lot of crafty things. They always got a shot at that. Johnny's a very crafty guy and he's in very good shape for forty years old, man, Like that guy is

dedicated to his body and whatever. But at that old Europe and I promise you you're gonna care more about your health and everything else. I have been credit. I do care about that, and I'm like that you're going to care more forty years old and like he's in really good shape, but like you love to scream seven time champion, rubbing in people's faces, and like the mini final was, you know, projected to be exactly what the

final is going to be. And you're not even in the top five six now that I agree with that, I agree with So I feel like we haven't been seeing the showing from Bananas in this season so far that we want to see. But as he also said in his confessionals, every time he's won, he said, he's come from behind essentially. And I think they're still in this game. The way it's been structured is really tricky anyway, because unless you get first first place, you're basically getting

last place. They're always still in the game there. I'm not trying to like just shit on that team. That's a good team, you know, not even Bananas. I always have potential to win a day. I'm just saying as far as final is concerned, and what it takes endurance wise, and just you gotta be a quick thinker man, Like we got lucky with that puzzle. But on the geography, like I knew all six of those cities. Did you have girls in every one of the other cities? Fecies that?

How you thigured dab Oh, he's such a liar? Did you get Bangkok on there? I'm kidding. I knew all of those cities. Man. I was bled, like it could have been a city I didn't know, and it was just it was meant for you. It was meant for you. I keep saying it right fast. I have a question, did you know or have any idea what was going to happen if you won? I thought I was really salty that they didn't let us throw in a team the most power and every writer or die gets put

on the same team. I was like, well, me and Maria were gonna end up on the same our opposite sides regardless. So if anything, it really wasn't that much power. If anything, it drove me and Mariah apart because we had to make all these decisions. So it was more like a fucking Achilles heel than a power. I thought, people are lucky that we didn't get to vote in a team with that power. Who would it have been?

Who would it have been? And you would would have been on the bullet you know that, and that's fine. Were the other two teams that would have been? Or what's the other I don't I just knew that if we won, we would definitely take Johnny would have been

in there too. You know what, Bessie, in that moment when you found out, or maybe a little bit later because it was when you guys were out drinking or whatever like that, you kind of turned on Mariah And I want to know what brought that about, because it was just it was so random. You were just sitting there. You were like I and her. It was like a

real dark moment. And what brought that about? Yeah? I think, Um, you know, Maria and I didn't even really talk that much in the house, just because we had established before we went in the house that like, you could do your thing, I'm gonna do my thing, so like we communicated that we were grown ups about that. So that did help out in the game, you know. But now the point where we're having uh, you know, make decisions. And I see her in Johnny's room, you know, and

I know he's in her ear. And then like she's kind of being short with me when I'm trying to ask her where her ads. I kind of like that shit's all real. That's what I was going through in the moment, Like I don't try to be like, oh, I'm gonna look bad on TV. Like that was how I was feeling. Like I brought Mariah um you know, the we had only you know, hung out, you know, maybe ten times in our life, Like, but I knew her.

Look at look at Tavon's face. She met like hang out Like what I feel like, that's what your brain just said. Here it's cold. We go down another rabbit hole. I know y'all be fucking talking all day long to each other. Let me get we don't actually thought what's the next question. I do have a question though, piggybacking on what you just said, because you made a statement when you was like I brought her here because I

trusted her. But my question is, like the way you said it was almost like I brought you here to help me win because I trust you to help me win this thing. If I want to know what was behind that, like give some clarification because it's going down, Like what what did that mean? When we originally we thought that we were gonna get to pick the teams. However, so I was like, me and Mariah were gonna be on the same team. We're gonna stack our team. And

they was like, no, y'all aren't separate teams. And the whole vibe just switched up real quick, like when we're going back to the house, Like the first thing she said was, oh, I want Jordan or all I knew who I want all this like, and I was like, damn, Like it kind of just hit me in the face, like it's getting real, Like you know, I brought this girl thinking me and her gonna you know, ride it out together, and now it's like she's trying to stack her team, just like I'm trying to stack her team.

Like they didn't make it a big thing, but that whole Jordan thing, like I just let her have it because I was like, she's not gonna budge on that, and I'm trying to be like at least meet her in the middle. But she wanted Jordan so bad, and we try to rearrange the shit were you trying to meet her in the middle of fancy because we you see it, Yeah, because it looked like on both sides of that thing in the beginning, all the other Tory Devon all that was gonna was gonna fall at the end.

How it did you know Tory and Demon would picked last, not because they're the weakest team, but because they were so similar as right, that makes sense, Kenny and a Jordan and he was a little more lopsided in people's eyes, you know, I mean, this is great. I'm just saying, what what the what the analytics were saying, the analytics, you don't play it on Google Analytic. I was like, you know what, people are fucking saying, she's not watched.

There's gonna be some challenge where she's gonna come in handy. I'm gonna saying, you know for sure, and there's more than one challenge and I and elimination, so a niece's fire. But that's actually a really good point, Bessie, because I was kind of confused when I saw Tori and Devin get picked lass, Like, I don't know about you guys, but I didn't really see that that wasn't on my being go card, but that makes sense is they were equally stacked. So at that point, it's kind of like, yeah,

Jordan and Johnny really bad. And I was like, right, there's no way but this one thing, Nelson and ne Reese. In my eyes, everybody's like, oh, you're gonna pick Nelson, You're gonna I was like, I would take no Resona. I was thinking that too, nes because Nelson has a fifty two record loss until Nese came in the picture broken, so it is now. But I think nes is the

magic sauce and nothing. Nelson doesn't have like the strength he does, but people are sleeping on neres She is very smart and his prevent she can go to day. I don't think anybody's sleeping. I think everybody knows exactly what she's capable of. H Yeah and Johnny were trying to like not Maria and Johnny, but their thought process was that I was gonna want Nelson so bad that Maria was gonna be able to right Jordan, I was gonna go Nelson. Where I was thinking on a game level, Okay,

I would like to, you know, play with Nelson. He's really good, really strong, endurance. But if I don't get him, well I have a boy on the other side for votes and Neurice, I'll Glade is amazing. Yeah, so that's why I went Johnny, And then everybody's like, oh, I'm trying to squirrel. It was. It was. It was tough, and looking back at it, you know, it's kind of

hard to watch that. You know, it broke down like that, But you're forced to make decisions in this game, and you know, I try to respect everybody in the game and do what I can. But I'm there to play the game like you want to win too, So you picked the best team that you need to get there. So I don't care how the fun I got on that team. I'm on a damn team. I don't want to That's so off of Nelson though, Yeah, that's my

question about and I haven't questioned on Nelson's. Yeah, okay, so before we get into this, let's take a quick break and then I want all the tea. Nelson did something huge in the last episode right where he decided to save you over his woman at the time. Right the Twitter streets are saying that it was a very terrible move on his behalf right, that's what the Twitter

streets are saying, and the Twitter very much alive. Okay, so they're saying that, you know, it was a very bad move for him not taking a shot at you and basically returning the favor for what you did to him right the eye for an eye situation. Now that's what I'm I want you to. I want you to. This is a moment where I want you to stand up for your boy. So this is okay, Okay, I'll

stand up for Nelson. Nelson did. Like I'm grateful that he didn't throw me in Like if I was in that position, I would probably be looking to get my lick back too, you know. So I don't blame for what people say, but I think Nelson's a very logical person and he knows that in the game after that move, like we could talk about the reason for the move, blah blah blah. That's history. I'm saying the events that

happened after that move. You know, we did two seasons together where I won two early on on spies eyes and allies kept him safe, you know, and then I want two here early on and kept him safe. So he knew that I was an asset to his game.

And now I'm not trying to overshadow our friendship because you know, we we do hang out a lot after I went against him in the hall brawl, just because we hang out with a lot of castmates throughout this, you know, we we do a reunions, appearances all that, and me and Nelson are always the one ducked off in the corner hanging out because you know, we just we just have always vibed together. I guess you know,

we've always just been very similar. And I mean, I don't want to say like minded, because we think very differently sometimes, I don't you know, but um, you know that's my boy. I said save your boy. I said save your boy. Listen, don't be trying to rouse you were supposed to be saving him right now, fasty You talk about you save him because it's because it's so there are so many people whom I'm Old Davin would

have threw your ass in here too. But New Davion, I'm trying to turn New leave be a better person. So I understand why he was like, you know what, let me do something different. I get that, But how how what would you have done? That's what I tell the trust COLI was down there, or a girl that you had real feelings for, or that girl in Sydney.

Why Sydney, y'all. Y'all, y'all are so contradictory. No, we're just asking you what you would have done if you were Nelson and you picked the safe and a girl that you were with was down there. I voted in Colleen and Annalise to save a Nissa and Jordan because it was either going to be Annalise and Tommy or

you and Jordan. They didn't show that clip. I was like, I'll put Annalyis and Colleen the girls, the two prettiest girls in now, So I'm gonna vote in yes and your friends Yes exactly, because I'm kind of a Girls Before Host type of chick in my head. If I know, I'm not no dummy, If I know, if Nelson's really trying to get his lick back, then if I win the daily challenge before him, which I did, I want a daily challenge before him. You know he felt comfortable.

So like I'm just speaking on a game level, Like you know, I know I'm not here to justify my friendship to Davon or Twitter streets, like that's between me and Nelson. Like, y'all it's a competition show, and y'all love to talk about the drama, but the reality is, like I mean, because it's a reality TV competition show,

so that means there is a double love competition. I have another question, speaking of logical decisions, Fessie, I want to know if at any point, because you kind of like alluded to this earlier, but I want to know if at any point when you were picking the teams, did you consider maybe doing the strategy because it looked like I could be wrong, but I feel like in the episode you and Nelson or like it came up

for a second. But did at any point you think about splitting up from Nelson so that you would have a boy on the other side, you know, like a friend kind of on the other team and you guys could look out for each other. Was that ever, you know, like a part of your strategy or did you just say, hey, no, if I have my preference, I want to be on

the same team as Nelson. Um, you know for me, like you heard the clip of Nelson or when he was like it's all about getting to the final and you saw my face where I was kind of like it was because like everybody always says that, and it's you got to win the dailies. In my head, a lot of people like to float by, but my objective is always to try to win the dailies, make decisions, keep me safe, and get threats that are against me out of the game. So what I just got so paranoid.

I guess we were in that place so long. When TJ said, you want to make sure you win the daily challenges, I was like, you know what, what's important now is to win the daily challenges. So I'm going to try to build the best team I can to where we're versatile enough we have a pretty good shot because you can't win at all. You know, Jordan's a beast and he excels at a lot of things, but I mean it's it's not going to be a one man show, you know, So that's not what the challenges.

So no, when you're picking your teams, also, were you sort of strategizing of like and I think sometimes we see this with the pairs, you know, like the brains of the team maybe or like the braun of the team, and then you have a few people that are you know, well versed, and then you have a few people who maybe are the endurance kings or queens right of like

a team. So when you're picking your people, did you in your mind try to categorize, like, okay, if I want three smart people, you know, like the puzzle winners or whatever, and like the three really strong or was it just kind of like a gut instinct. It really just came down to those first couple picks, because, like I said, there was a lot of pairs that were equal you know in challenge statistic wise, you know, whichever team they ended up. So there was like four or

five teams like that, you know, Olivia and Harassio. I was like, you know, Harassio is very good at a lot of things. But Olivia impressed me a lot too, because I was like, okay, Harassio was good, but you know, if I have to compete against them, I'm okay with that. I'd rather get a strong female in Olivia. You know, she's proven herself. Like I was impressed with Olivia som

Sanatorian devon. So that was kind of logic. As far as breaking it down, it was really the who was gonna get where was Johnny Nelson gonna go because of the whole Is Mariah gonna be able to get Johnny and Jordan on the same team? And I was like, I don't know. I just felt really I didn't know, you know, where Banana stood so much. I knew he was you know, Lloyd and Mariah, but with me and him, you know, we were very cordial in the house, no beef, but it's not like we were buddy buddy. You know,

I didn't know what was going on in his head. Sorry, I don't know what I have. This is one thing I thought about on the stage when we all got picked, and you know, we don't know what's going to happen or how things are going to break down elimination wise.

Did you ever think for one second, because I know I did the minute they said there were teams that the way that eliminations would go, like, if I do pick my friends, I may have to go against them because that would have been my biggest That would have been my biggest concern, because you put, I was on a team with Tori and Casey and Olivia, and I'm like, I don't want to go against none of those bitches.

But we don't know the rules yet. You brought this up on the show when we're in deliberation one time, and that to me is a loser's mentality. You're playing to lose. What if we lose and then have to go? TJ said, play to win the challenges, So I'm gonna build it to win the challenges and then if that, I like to look at all sides we can win together. Short were but that's that's a big fancy mentality. Is just a look, if I got to go and get you freeand it is what it is, I'm here to

right and we would have had to do that. But I'm just saying like there, play to win. Sure, that's one part of strategy, but also prepare yourself. That's another part of being strategic. So I'm just saying, like, did you think about that? Or you were just like, who's going to help me win? You know? The thing was there was a lot of people's game that was going to be affected by this one move. You know who you know, so but for me, it was like me and Maria one we got to to make this decision.

So I wasn't really worried of the backfire that, oh if this person ended up that man this, I was like, that's not my problem. I won. I'm in power. You know, it's all about what is going to be best for Marian and Ice game moving forward, and then my individual game on my team. I'm only asking because, like, the one thing that we don't get to do when we're on the show together, there's so many people like we don't get to really see the thought process. So there's

the only reason why I'm asking. It's just I get I'm reassessed to how people's brains work when it comes to like they how they see the challenge working out for them, how they see themselves winning it. It's just interesting, that's all. Yeah. So are you more of a in the moment player, Betsy or what can I do about tomorrow? Um? Well, the way I play the challenge is, you know, I take every day one day at a time. I try to if I lose a challenge, try not to dwell

on it too much. And whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. You can't control things in that game. It's all about how you react. So you know, I kind of have this like it is what it is attitude, and they're Like, with that being said, I still show up and in order for you to beat me, you're gonna have to go one hundred percent and be better than me. So that's my mindset. Like, and I try to respect everybody in the process, like I don't. I don't walk around

but little anybody in the house or anything. But you know, when they ask me how I feel about competing, I'm gonna it's a reality show, and I try to be real on there. And they just don't like it because a lot of people played a victim on the show because they know they're not gonna win these challenges, so they have to make up for it in their confessional SOB story. I feel like there's a lot of feelings about them. I don't like names. You feel like give

some SOB stories in their confessionals. I'm curious, who are we playing this violin for fifty? Who's the thing? Is? Like, you could talk about your losses all day long. Man, I've lost a million times on the show too, So it's like I just focus on all right, that's in the past. Now, let me go out and try to win the next one. And I'm gonna do everything I can to win the next one. You know, I treat it like I'm not gonna get another call back like

this is. I treated like big Brother, like I'm playing to win this one. A lot of people like I got I'm trying to get the screen time. In the confessional account, I'm like, if I'm on the show and winning these challenges, the national cow's gonna come, They're gonna be talking about not worried about that shit man. So yeah, that's I don't know why people are worried about that kind of stuff about screen time. It's weird. See it

time end time again. There's always the same winners. I mean a lot of there's a lot of athletes that come on the show, but their social game like they get out right away. Turbo Gone Week two, Kels two years ago, Gone Week two, It takes Kells was done dirty though Kells was done dirt out game got out double dirt. I came up to him at the nightclub when I wanted to take challenge and I was talking

about working with them possible. He's like, Oh, you think because you're in power, you're just gonna come over in big man me. You don't have the house votes and Esther is not gonna say my name, so you can't get it done. I was like that house vote, gone put that against him in a puzzle. Get your ass out of here, out game. You should have won the second challenge. You didn't. I want it. You got out game,

sob story my ass. You play as much thought into that as you did that love note from the Double Agents, those love notes you were leaving at the end, FEESSI, it ain't all me as emmy Devin a pull man. I cannot, I cannot me be in a sweetheart. Okay, so wait, wait, okay. Any of your people that you were like cuddling with throughout the season, do you still cuddle with them present day? No? I don't. I'm not. Who are you cuddling with right now? Whose dms are

you in, FESSI? What country are they? Someone in your bed right now? Who's feeder? That she? Puerto Rican? Puerto Rican? Yeah, and she ain't on a show. That's the best part. That's really the way best part for you. Yeah, that is good, FESSI. But but when you are on the show, both now and potentially in the future, I want to how are you gonna go back to doing the FESSI cannon thing or can you be loyal? Fessy Shuffle my first show, I went on the challenge. I had a girlfriend,

and you could ask anybody on that show. I didn't even cross the line whatsoever with anybody. And NISA's making a face, she's puckering a little bit, Anisa, what does that mean? I wasn't their chalse. I don't know. I wasn't there either, you guy, ask any girl on there because there was multiple interested in. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, you're right. Actually I don't know. I don't know who was interested. I was just told to crack the egg, and the egg was very hard to crack. It was

very hard to even make friends with this man. But we became I thought friends. Are you guys friends now? Bes seeing a Nissah, Yeah, I'm not talking about him on camera. I don't got no beef an we got. We've been on vacation together, like you, I love you. Oh, but we didn't go just because we're friends. We didn't

go in there with set plan. Hey, I don't care, Come on, don't be saying we went on vacation When I'm like, but you You and Mariah wanted to put us in the first time when you won, but it didn't. So it's always love, it's always right. The game is so different because I know you. I know you can hold your own fecy in any situation. A lot of people aren't going to beat you, and I tried to put you in the best situation I could, considering the game got down to a lot of very good people.

I know this podcast interview is about fancy, but I do have a question about the Tory and Jordan situation because it was hot, yeah, and I want to know opinions. And I know that's your best friend and Hetha, but I still want to know your opinion as opinions, who do you think was right in the situation? And who do you think was wrong? I don't right and wrong is? I think are weird. I don't know if the terms are right. I think maybe had they discussed, like maybe

had a little discussion. I don't know. I just feel like it's a really weird environment to do that in. So it's hard to like harbor emotions and have them at bay and act like everything is okay when you really feel something. It's I think it's just a weird environment to explore being with and without someone and then seeing them with somebody else. I think it's just very unnatural, like you're never gonna have that. Do you guys think I could see both sides too, Jordan was doing it

on purpose? Do you think Jordan was doing it on purpose? I mean I think he could have. I think he could have gone without it. Betsy, what do you think? Yeah? Yeah? You know. The thing is I can't speak on their relationship because I know they dated for a long time where a lot of you know, these challenge relationships are just flings or whatever, So like, I know they have

a lot of history. But I think what really red shirt with me when Jordan said, oh, the Tory Show, Because it's like, I get it, she has her emotions and whatever, but Jordan still has feelings and stuff too that he's going through. So it's like when he said, if she's emotional, I have to be sad, or she's sad, I have to be sad. Like that, Really, you know, red shirt with me because I'm like, I get it, But I can't speak on on that because I don't

know how deep that gets. Um that to me though, that's called empathy As a viewer, it to me, it was really infuriating because I think, look, yes they're both single, and Jordan has every right to move on, for sure, but kind of like a Lisa said, it's like, did he really need it? We know the odds of challenge flings like happening. It's not like that's potentially his soulmate.

Let's be real. And also, and when the minute Tory said we were in bed together cuddling whatever, I was naked here, you didn't have any of those conversations, then to me, it is a respect thing, like and it was just an unnecessary level of like of re almost like just re hurting someone. And then his whole idea of like if she's upset, have to be upset. It's

not that you have to be upset. But empathy is literally saying, you know what, I see your point, like, let me not do this in front of a room full of everybody, you know what I mean, Like, let me not make, in the words of Maxwell from Love and Basketball, make a fool out of you. And so I feel like that part just wasn't It just wasn't cool at all, And I felt so bad for Tory. Jordan's wealth and his right to move on. I think

it was on purpose. Let me tell you why. When they was in there having the argument the Momentory said, it's not easy watching your ex make out with somebody else the first thing. Jordan said, Oh, that's how you feel. It's not easy to watch, And I'm like, oh, you hurt? You like shooting a dagger back At the minute he said it, I was like, oh, so, you know, I felt like un Bertha. Maybe it was a scheme that Todd set up, like it just felt like real bad.

I was like, that's not that's not good. That's not a good look at all. I do think, you know, they have an attraction to each other, him and the Reds, But I definitely think that that was intentional. I think he was trying to like show her how he felt because maybe throughout their conversations maybe he never got that she never really understands how hurt I am about this situation. So maybe it was one of those I'm gonna make you feel it so you can really understand. And it

kind of backfired on him. Teletoxic, Hella toxic and the Rees should remove herself from that just it's not a good look around. Well, we will see in episodes to um whether or not she does remove herself. Bessie, you remember that time you were on the Challenge Aftermath and you were sneaking Michelle into your hotel room and you guys are trying to deny it, and you were sitting on the couch together. Nah, I just thought of that

was fun. I didn't sneak into her thing you brought her, No, But like you guys were canoodling, but it was you were trying to keep it secret on the aftermath. Remember you were sitting next to each other. People can go watch it. It's weird because there was two aftermaths and there was two different things happening. You're saying two different women. Is that what them now hearing? What was the question? I forgot the questions I would never get in a

feud with. You know, some I think, like the Jordan and Toory thing I can't speak of, but like with the Nurice thing, I think, you know, people you get lonely in that house. There's a lot of downtime and like kind of know who's single, who's feeling somebody whatever, So there's only so many options. M And as far as me, like you know, it kind of is what it is. Well, it didn't work out for a reason, Like I will respect everyone, like as far as the

game goes, I don't. I'm not gonna be sitting there jealous over you know, a girl that I've had someone in the past, trying to get to know somebody knew, you know, like it didn't work out. I'm gonna sit here and hold your hostage like some guys. Dude, that's just you see more of like a step back type person like, oh okay, well go figure that out. Yeah, I'm like, if it's working out, it's working out, And like if it's on me, if I know I'm lacking, I'm gonna try my best to make up in this

situation to make it right. But if it's like she's not showing an effort or she thinks she's gonna try to like ghost me and I'm gonna come chase, and then we're just gonna be we'll never speak again, you know, Like, if you're not gonna put in that like effort, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pursue a girl that wants to be chased and isn't showing interest back. So now that you and your partner have detached. Are you still going to be looking out for her, being as you

are the one who brought her here? Are you still going to be looking out for her? Good question. Yeah, so I'm never gonna vote her in for sure. Are you gonna be looking out for her making sure that others don't vote her in his will? Would you think you'll knick out for her like that? To be honest, yeah, I would like to say I'm trying to have her back in the game, but I'm not the type to like politic like that, Like I kind of play the game like I'm not trying to like just avoid the situation.

I'm trying to, like they like, answer it honestly, like you know, now that we are separated, I am trying to do what's best for my team to help us win a daily challenge. But if it come down to that at this point in the game, I for sure like I'm trying to make sure she sticks around because once she's done phenomenal with me, since she's been in the game, and so she has earned her right to be here, and on a game level, that's a person I would like to think on another team that wouldn't

say my name either. So yeah, but as far as I've never been the type, you know that it's kind of like I guess the big brother in me to where it's kind of like you can only say so many people like a boat. So it's like, I've never been the type to tell people to save me, let

alone say somebody else. So if I'm being honest, that's kind how I play the games, Bessie, you talked about with like Harassio and Olivia there being like the way that they didn't work in that particular daily was because it was two people trying to like lead, right, and that one person really needed to lead on your team now as it stand, so obviously you're the team captain because you picked the team and you're a natural born leader. Who would you pick on your team to be your

co captain? Like stepping back and looking at all the people that are on your team without revealing any spoilers, like, who else would you trust at this point to be your co captain of the team? I like? I mean, the thing with Johnny is he's so vocal and he's got so opinionated with his ideas that he just instinctively just becomes you know the voice of the team. So and I'm not the type of person to be like, hey, no, I'm the captain. You look like, you know, like I'm

gonna be a team player and let everybody talk. But at the same time, if I feel like this strategy is best, I'm gonna voice my opinion as well. Make sure it's heard, because now my ass is online with this team. Yeah, and then we'll go from there. You know, we'll wear our options. You know, if a player has to go twice, which player gives us the best chance, you know, at winning. I think I'm still the person

going in every time for that. But as far as voice, I think everybody, you know, I think we had a well balanced team. I think that's what I was trying to accomplish. You know, you have a Nissan and Tori and Casey on the female side, which have you know, so much experience? Absolutely, because like that that was my thought process. I wanted to pick strong females for my team.

I thought that gave us the best chance because I think in these challenges, dailies, in the final, it's not who the strongest may is like having a strong male helps, but it's who the most well rounded female is That's that's who's gonna win it in a partnership is who has the best female, the most endurance, and hopefully she could help out with some of the menstal games, you know, the puzzles, no stuff like that, because thema get you

every time. I agree, Bessie, you've been such a team player and we've given you so much flak that you deserve m But is there anything else if we were to give you just thirty seconds of your voice of what Bessel wants to put out into the world, whether it be something that you feel people don't know about you, that maybe is misunderstood about you, UM, some secret about that girl whose DMS you're in, that's Puerto Rican, whatever

it is, what would be the floor is yours? What is the thirty seconds that you know Bessie wants to tell the world more love, less hate? Look at you see, we're not gonna buy that book. What I was want to say? He really would say, I mean, I thought it was a cute pin. I would say, I would leave, I would leave the listeners with this. Just understand, in this game, there's rookies and there's vets, but everybody has their own story and their own life and stuff they're

coming from. So you only see the little fifteen second confessional about their opinion on the situation, and just know they got their whole life going on, you know, back home. So yeah, yeah, everybody's like, oh, they're a rookie. Well they're a rookie in this game. They're not a rank in life, you know, right, So I guess just understand that everybody has their own story to tell and not everybody's gonna be. You don't got to compare everybody. You

don't gotta be who's next, Who's the next banana? Like? You know, you don't have to compare everybody. I know the social media loves to compare, but that's true. All words of wisdom from Bessie. Oh look, some good does come out of you. We love when that happens. Don't give me that look, Bessie out. We are gonna play little game because you know we love a good game. You've learned this podcast and Aftermaths and all. This game specifically for the challenge Rider dies Um is one about

how well you know your ride or Die. So we have three questions for you about Maria and uh, it's your time to prove how much you know, and don't shut your phone down, right, Yeah, I text her Maria alert my Wi Fi going out. I'm gonna be honest, you know, Aliance. Okay, so question number one. Now we know that you're a geography expert, right, where is Mariah's hometown Chicago? That is not the answer that we have, that,

ain't it. That's where our family lives though, that's where her family lives, or that's where her hometown is, That's where she's from, That's where she grew up. Okay, I know this answer. Where she grew up. She grew up in um Semi Florida. Okay, we'll take that. Good job, good job we had Orlando kissime is Orland is like basically there, so yes, good job, good job MESSI I thought it was a true question. Okay, you're always on the defense. Why are you so worried we're not coming in?

A gamer? He's a gamer man. The moment you realize that Bessy like me, we get real paranoid very easily. It's that big brother shit. I swear to God to look like no chump man. I played an except I played a whip. I don't set myself up in any scenario. Ever, I can not just be authentically. You know about the gotcha me, but I'm being on it right now. Tell you how I feel? Yeah, okay, uh Nissa, do you want to take question number two? Sure we know Mariah

loves her family and her dogs. But her family, how many younger siblings does she have? Younger or total? Both? To the math? Ain't math and her total siblings the right answer? You texted her about this? I mean I don't have her phone number. I don't think so. All right, Well, so you got questions one, you got one right. Further, notice mariah total siblings, I think it's seven three living Orlando or something at the rest of it. But does she are we including her in this like total children

in the family are seven? See I didn't break down the math. Well what we could ask her later, but we can give myself a half a point for now. We're not giving you points here. You get yeah, right, you get a point for the first answer, you get, not a for number two. Now number three, this is the real question. Okay, this is for all the points, Bessie. If you want to come on top as a winner, right,

you said you hold yourself to that standard. Then I'm gonna need you to give the most accurate answer of this question in depth. In depth, it is an essay question. Go back to SATs Okay, here we go. Why do you think your partner Maria likes bananas? All right, that's that's the question. Why do you think Mariah likes bananas? What is it? What is it that you have not seen? The good question? So, I mean Mariah has gone on record saying bananas isn't usually her type whatever, you know,

she goes for taller guys or whatever. But in the Challenge House, I think you spend so much time with each other, you get to know each other, and their personalities just match up more than what she's attracted to, you know, like bananas is the guy who's gonna dress up in the thong and be goofy and do stupid shit like that, and like I forgot, Maria usually attracted to that. But that's kind of how Mariah is. She's

that goofy, always talking whatever. So I think the fact that they clicked on that level is what makes it. Because Maria is like a energizer bunny. She got a mouthpiece on her. She'll talk for days, and so will Johnny. So I think that's do with it, Yeah, for sure. I also wondered just my theory on this is, do you think it's because, so, you know, of your team, you were kind of the leader of the two of you, and Ryan is very smart and obviously very capable. She

proved that in this daily and throughout the season. But it seems like there's a certain part of her a that's just very compassionate, Like I love the way she spoke to you when you were being vulnerable with us, But she looks to you as a leader, and Bananas, you know, old or not, arguably is a has that leader quality about him and is like, you know, can be smart and talk a lot and all of that. And so I wonder if that's also part of the draw, aside from the goofiness, like when we saw her him

advising her around team picking and all that. The way Banana spits game is, you know, he's I've noticed, like, you know, he's a he's a decent looking human being. You know, he's in shape whatever, But you know, he's like five eight, so he's always excelled with his mouthpiece.

I think so five nine, Okay, sorry, five nine. So I think the way he spits game is he just puts it all out there on the table, all the jokes, all the whatever, and sees what sticks and shows his whole personality whatever, whereas someone like me or I don't know, maybe Harassi or Jordan are kind of more reserve, laid back, chill and bananas a Devin. They're gonna tell you every funny story they have from you know that. That's just

their their style of game, and it works. You know, if you can make a girl laugh, you could make her do a lot of things. And heard it here Frozen folks, Yes you've heard it here first on that note, uh, Bessie. If a girl wants to if you want to make a girl laughing, she wants to follow you on social media,

where can she find you? Clearly not Twitter, man, Screw Twitter, y'all be hayting elan to mess it up anyway, Davin, Sorry, I used to try and support you on that girl, but I can't know if I can, if I can, be honest, I ain't been on Twitter and about a month, so you see, you know it? Are you serious to talk all this shit about Twitter? Like you know what? Because I used to really be on Twitter, but it's not what it. It cracked up to me that one

used to be exactly on Twitter. After next week's episode, I'll I'll talk some shit. Oh, here we go? Where can they find you? For? See Bessie Fitness on Instagram, Twitter TikTok all that okay? And um, are your dams open? If people just want to slide in there? Or how does that work? Is there a line or like a wait list? Nah? I ain't trying to hear it, to be honest, I don't heard at all. I know that's right. Shut the dough because he found himself a little mommy,

a little spand mommy, you know what I'm saying. Okay, And that concludes this interview. That's been great. Thank you a k A. Nick Cannon. It was a pleasure having you here. Uh and yes, it has been such a wonderful interview. Appreciate you. Let me get some words in Bathassy, Well, that was a wonderful interview with Bessel. Uh. Yeah, gotta we got to see his personality up and close. If anybody wants to see you guys up and close, where can they find you? Let's start with you Davon. Where

can they find you on social media? At home? Or you can find me on Instagram at Davion Diane Underscore. That's where I'm at right now, Anisa where they can find you? A. They can find me at Anissa MTV on Instagram A and e sa MTV. That's the only place. Thank you? And wow, did you notice Yvon just throw out the window? On Twitter and YouTube wild you can find me all My website, devinsmone dot com has all my socials there. That's Devin with the y simone with

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