Ride or Dies Reunion: Part 2

I cackle. I think I cackled because I laughed from him. She's laughing in the background. I know you were so messy in these fells when you were like get this, get and you're pointing of ship. I told her, I'm like, you're about to see some shit. So it was so I can't that was that was foul. But I think Nelson's feelings were still just hurt. So he tried to drop that in there, and his feelings were definitely hurt, Yeah they were. But more of that story, you know,

there's always more to the story that nobody tells us. Oh, of course. And I think that, like I said, the relationships. We might as well just get to it. Relationships in the house don't always work out well when you get into the room. Usually world they're one or two that may last year's Tories, an example, Tory and Brad even got married other Tories. You saw these people work out and then you saw a lot of them fail. So right, the percentage of people that fail are higher, much higher.

It's exceptionally right. And I think Olivia was going through a lot of shit like she. I mean, she even told me, she was like, I have to I probably have to get surgery. I feel like I look like shit, Like I don't want to be this vulnerable around anybody right now, Like I want to be with my family. And that's totally understandable. So listen, Yeah, listening to them talk,

both of them, it was like super reasonable. It's like as somebody who's gone through the challenge and had a significant other and then lasted on there a long period of time and realized that I was using that person as just an escape from my own reality and found strength within myself when I was alone. It's like I totally relate to Olivia. So of course I feel bad for Nelson because you root for somebody who has feelings for somebody else. You want them to do well. But

I don't know. I'm with Olivia on this one. I think you have to grow individually. They weren't right for each other. So but Nelson tells it in his friendships too, like he pushes forward. He loves the shit out of these people, you know, and I feel like maybe he needs to pick better people. Nelson's we can talk about this yet style, Devin, Maybe you should, Maybe you should start, especially in the friend department, because I still and very much so him. I don't think Fancy is his friend.

I don't Maybe I should reach out to Nelson anyway. Um, but we love Nelson and you know, speaking of city Girl, I just have to shout out Tory city girl nails that she has on right now right I can't see them, thank you. The bottoms are red like okay, oh still let up? Yes, I need you to flick them off and give them to me for dinner tonight because I look like uh not city girl, child girl, look like child girl out here. Oh yeah, come to my house.

I got everything you need everything. I have, these tiny little hands, the tiny little nail I love it so much, so we started this so obviously, you guys, we talked so much that even before we officially start recording, we start talking. And we started this by talking about bananas, and Davon got some heat, apparently more than I did. But I also got some tweets around a question of if we are like contractually obligated to not talk about

people we're talking about. I don't know if if y'all haven't figured out yet, we do not hold our tongues at all. I certainly don't. But with that said, sometimes these conversations are really long because we talk a lot, and therefore they do get edited down because we can't have a three hour podcast episode. But my thoughts are, yeah, you know, or my question is, I guess what are your thoughts about the whole bananas Veronica thing. It just clearly struck a chord and you can see that there

is a long history between the two of them. Were like they might not be the best of friends, and it got yeah, you know, when you sit in a

room and it's like, it just gets awkward. And I think that Johnny just doesn't like to talk about his personal life because a lot of it has been very public um, but also there's a history there so and Veronica is a very I would like to say she kind of plays by the book when it comes to like I guess in terms of like her values and her opinions, not plays by the book, but she is very like these are my values, these are my boundaries, this is my ship. So I think when she sees

a violation, she calls it it hurts me. I'm not saying she is the because it wasn't relevant to her. I kind of felt like it was weird to me, Like I get that there's a long history, and it probably too was because there was ninety nine thousand a y'all on that stage, So some parts of it felt disjointed when people who rightfully so were chiming in because

they were a part of the group. But like I think it just derived from like the tweet and they needed to see, like why people her opinion, yes, because it was like Veronica, you tweeted this, Yeah, what was the why? What's the origin this? Why do you feel the way? Yes? So I'm I'm I'm making note of that because I don't want it to seem as if she just inserted herself and something that was none of

her business. She was definitely as right, that's fair. But I mean, yeah, well to be fair even further than that, if you're going to tweet about something like then you're inserting yourself and thank you, that's just being brought up on the show than granted, Like I think this is the other way. I'm looking at it objectively. We're all getting paid to sit at the reunion. I don't know

what else Veronica talked about. Her and Durrell weren't there for very long and weren't wrapped up in any storylines. So if I'm getting paid to just sit there, maybe I am going to throw in a few things because I'm not having a segment. I don't know, I'm not. That's totally fair. I mean yeah, I think that's fair. And this isn't like shade at Veronica, like I like Veronica. It's more just how impassioned she was in that comment.

And then I was actually surprised to get tweets and whatever about it about because it's like people, it's not been a secret that Bananas has been an f boy, Like I don't that I don't is that news to people?

That's not I think it's where he's coming from. Is a little bit more is what him like the sword like the person that it's coming from, rather than the information got him agitated information itself, whether the information is true or not, it's really the person that's stating, well, you did such and such, you know, So had it been somebody else, maybe his reaction he would be different.

I don't know. Yeah, Well, to Tory's point about you know, her not really Vernica not really being there for long and not really having a segment when they did give her an opportunity, I do appreciate the fact that she didn't bite her tongue. She said what she had to say, so she took the most of that moment. I as a viewer, am definitely glad she did it, and she always will though you can always expect Vernica to speak her mind and I yeah for sure, I love that,

Yeah for sure, I agree. Moving on, Should we talk about Turbo's video? I don't. Can we name this episode? Uh pussy chicken? I know, I get a level four because it's four of us level four chickens. Yeah, but there's only one Devin, and yet he was a level two pussy chicken, like that's where. Yeah, because there was the first pussy chicken, so he had to be a level two. I loved the video. I felt like he ran everybody down. I loved it. I thought it was entertainment.

I love that you said that you enjoyed the two Tory, even though he was talking a lot about you girl, when he said you needed from your faces, I fell out because it was it was it was funny. The only thing I didn't like, and I will say this, is when he called Nanny cheap. Yeah. I didn't like that. Yeah. The only reason I didn't like that was because I was there for War of the Worlds. I can never

say that, right, I think I did this time. I was there for that when they bonded, and I watched them bond and I saw how patient she was, how gentle she was with him, and vice versa, how they were with each other. And so I wasn't in the house, so I don't know what he saw or what she saw or what happened. But to see them get to a point now where he's calling her cheap, I'm just like, oh,

this is it's heartbreaking. It's really sad. It was sad to hear that Yeah, Turbot's interesting because I on the contrary of him saying I have two faces, which in retrospect I believe is out of calculation. Like I'm playing a game. I'm gonna be whoever the fuck I want to be, to whoever I want to be to get money. I'm not here, Tom, I have friends outside the show.

I'm not there to be your friend. And if I am being your friend and it's authentic, cool, But if it's not, whatever, I don't care but him, he would come up and no, City Girls nails have changed. I don't care more about anybody two episodes ago to now, I got the nails, she got the high bunch. She just needs some hoops and we're there. Yeah, she does need some hoops with her name going across them in the middle. You guys are crazy. Let's see pancakes. No, listen,

just listen to me. I'm I literally like I can appreciate it for what it is. And I think that he's interesting because I've talked to him on a side before and he has literally been like in the game on the show, I will put on a face and I will say whatever I got to say to win, and then after the show's over like, there is no b there's no drama, like he also feels and plays into this character that he's developing, because that was he definitely came across as like an overly overly, overly overly

I'm studying for my final exam, well practice read rather than it was. But it was delivered. It was, but it was delivered not the editors having his back by putting but with the sound effect in the trash. Yes, that part was funny and the sound effects were funny.

But do you think he really chickened out from coming or do you think they always planned because I don't know that it would have been delivered as well if it if he hadn't you know they had awful If he would have showed up and tried that, it's just cry Yeah, I don't. Yeah. The video is so much more like he took his time to show his after abilities, his editing abilities, all coming to collect them with him, them rings, he coming to get him and fitting them stones.

There you go, he coming to get up for Molly. So glad I went. He wasn't really either. He was there, he wasn't. He was in the corner. He wasses corner. Next you heard that I'm bringing I'm not scared unlike Unlike I go in with the same face. Now maybe different hair, but I go on the same face every time. Come at it. If I said, I stand by it, um, but he was very it was the pussy chicken is

just between that and like Nelson and needy greedy. I think those are probably two of my favorite challenge phrases of all three. Now, like Nelson said, more things that are really funny. I told Nelson after we did our interview with him on this podcast, I text him and was like, you need to start doing merch with your phrases, Like you need like I can help you. You need to start doing merch. He was like, oh my god,

such a good idea. I'll call you tomorrow. Like I'm like, Nelson, you could be so much money right now, all of this stuff you say and like what are you? What are you doing? Don't call me now. After listening to this, Nelson, I will not answer. Your time is fast. How else did you guys feel on the reunion? Like there was so much stuff like can we talk about Amber's revelation there? That was really interesting and also interesting given that Tory.

When you and Devin were on, we talked about neurodivergence, right, and we talked a little bit about like brains thinking differently and all of that stuff. And so Amber's revelation that she's been diagnosed with autism, I think it's so brave,

so so so brave. I also got a message from a listener who said that they appreciated the podcast episode where we talked about neuro divergence because their child has a version of that, and that just they appreciated us normalizing it and making it not something that's like stigmatized. So I can only imagine that this episode with Amber pushes that that much further. But how did you guys feel being there when that was revealed, Like, what was

the energy in the room? What were your thoughts? I definitely think it was shocked because nobody was really expecting her to say that, And then I think people were trying to support her and trying to figure out how but it was mostly just like listening and taking it all in, right, like you're trying to understand them more and on a deeper level, and she really did. She was proud of it and so taking in that and

then taking in the fact that she was pregnant. These are two major announces, Yeah, on a reunion like major. I think it definitely caught some people by surprise, just because like certain people don't don't like Amber, and I think that they were trying to figure out if it was real or not. But in my opinion, if somebody's gonna say this and speak their truth, let them be their truth. It's not up to me to decide whether or not I believe it. That's that's their truth, and

like it doesn't matter what I think about it. So well, some of the things too, that I've heard people complain about, or that through the Great ND people complained about regarding Amber and the symptoms she described, and just the very very little I know about autism makes sense, like of people feeling like she's not genuine, or that she mirrors or that she's fake in certain ways, right, like that narrative was sort of spread about her. But that can be a trait of autism, is you don't fully feel

comfortable in your space and yourself. So like it makes sense, you know, I don't think she's faking it for sure, And I agree with you, Tori. I think if someone's going to be that brave to say that that's bold, because not everyone is going to be as understanding. But I also think it makes sense around why for some people maybe she felt inauthentic in moments, because that is a trait when you don't feel authentic in yourself, to

try and mirror what you see happening. So she talks about how she lied at one point, basically saying she wasn't on medication when she was on medication. So in the past she had done things that were not exactly aligned with what was happening, so that I think that's what made people question her. But her ability to own it in this moment then under makes it all clearer or why maybe she was acting certain ways. So I think that this whole thing is just helping us to

see her more clearly. So and I think I was gonna say, I think this is an opportunity to give her some grace because at the end of the day, her actions were heard trying to figure it out herself. She was trying to figure out who she was, how to navigate it, and how to show it to other people, you know what I mean. And so she's trying to figure this thing out as she goes, and honestly, as somebody who has been I feel like we all have humans or go through a phase where it's like who

am I? I need to figure out who I am? And a lot of us don't learn it until where you know what I'm saying, And so I just I'm glad she finally knows who she is and can walk and stand in her troop. So congratulations to you Amber for being so brave and speaking enough for yourself like pregnancy and that at the same time, Oh, I just want to hug you and just let you know that you are loved and you got this, Mama, you got it.

And like we said with the episode with Devin, like neuro divergence literally just means that your brain thinks differently. And as as time goes on, what I think has been really great as people are starting to see there's

truly superpowers with your brain thinking differently. I believe part of the reason why um, you know Devon or you know Team Dave and Dave, but why he excels in the way that he does in the challenge around puzzles and all that is because of you know, hes Y, the ADHD which he shared with us, which is a form of neuro divergence. I have it as well, and so it means that you react differently, but you can.

Really it doesn't mean it no longer should be stigmatized that it's a disadvantage because it really can serve as an advantage in other ways that when you know it and when you own it. And so I'm excited for Amber to really be unlocking her in vinity star power can be and be able to make so so much of that because it's such a spectrum as well. And so I think two. Sometimes people think, oh, I've met one autistic person. I know what that looks like. It's like, no,

not the biggest thing. Yea, autism looks very different. Yeah, you can't put it in a box. You know. Reality TV sometimes it gets the label of toxic because it can be, but it's also entertaining. But I love when there are moments of opportunity to like to shine a light on on good things and growth into open perspectives. And I'm really happy that they that she shared that on the reunion and that that was on the show and featured, because I think that's an important conversation. Yeah, Okay, guys,

we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back after this. Okay, girl, we'll speaking of conversations. Okay, yeah, yeah, because I want to get down to it. Did you or did you not tell Mariah that she needed to sleep with somebody in order? No? I did not know. So why does she? Why is she saying that? I don't fucking know. That's what I sit on the stage, like roll the tapes where I ever she like, where I slut shamed you or ever

said that? Because Johnny would come to me every day and be like, this is just gonna be a slow road, and she is. And her and I had even talked. I'm like, you have your values, and you have your boundaries, and I love that you have them, Okay, And we sat on the couch, as God is my witness, and I said that to her. I would never, as anyone knows, tell some woman that she needs to sleep with anyone

to get anything, especially on a motherfucking challenge. I haven't had to have sex with anybody to get anywhere, So that would never be my advice for anyone. Very adamant that you said that she was. She was very angry about a lot of things, and I think that it was crazy because it was about Fessie and then I got dragged into that. But did you see him say that? He was like, I think he said something like I was like, I got off the hook there. Yeah, he

was like, I got off the hook. I was like, yeah, you did. And I think and Maria and I have talked and she was like, I want this to be in the past, and she had some anxiety. We both had some anxiety about this episode because I don't like to lose my cool. Yeah, but like I said, when she said I didn't have a voice, she even says it, and I said it on the podcast, and then she reiterated that. I think she watched back and she was like, damn, I should have said things when I was there, and

I think that really made her upset. So when she got there, she had all of the things that she wanted to say to everyone in what I didn't appreciate was like, well, you know, a lot of people feel the same way I do about you, and then said Johnny had said things about me, and I'm like Olivia and Theresa my friends. Yeah, and if anybody else has anything on the stage to say to me, I think they already have Yeah, but no one was going to

speak up and say I don't like when people do that. Well, everyone's talked about you, like I don't like that kind of conversation is between you and I, right, And we went out to lunch two days before that, So I'm like, wait before she said that, con yes, you, So my whole thing is if we're going to squash beef, then

let it be squashed. If you were going to bring up all this stuff on the reunion that we already talked about, then yeah, Well I think it just and not that I think that like she shouldn't have a conversation with you prior, but like if she felt like she didn't express herself enough on t you could see how she would have wanted to express it on the reunion and somewhere else. But how do you what if what if I'm not saying she's thinking about a call back,

but what if she is? If I get it? You know, Um, how do you feel about how she talked to me, Tori? I think that, Um, you handled yourself well, I really do. That's not what I asked you. How the words right out in my mouth. I honestly, I think that you handled yourself well. But I think that she probably felt at some point like she felt with me, distance from all of us, and I think we did isolate her in a way. So I don't think we did. I don't understand when we become kumbaya to everyone. I'm not

saying was watching either. We weren't me neither. But no, she hung out with the rookie girls that we weren't all close with, so she went to where we were comfortable, which is me and you or me and Johnny or whatever. Like I said, her and I aren't the same age. We don't talk about the same things. Bessie was like, I have a friend. She talks a lot. You guys will probably get along. That's how we produced us at

the airport where she said I was rude. I was already drinking and I was tired, and I knew we were about to get in a stressful situation. This show is not called the Challenge best Friends, and I used to think it was until I realized that's not entertaining. One and Two, how do you win a game show if you're friends with everybody? It took me a long time to realize it's sure, but not everyone's going to

get along. And it's like, I don't like the fact that we're judged based on the fact that we may not like someone, not that we're saying we're isolating them or whatever. She had plenty of friends, more friends than we had. She had her whole little squad. Yeah, I do think that it's interesting that she came at you and not more at other people, considering some of the

way things went down on the show. Like obviously those who can't see the video, by the way, a niece, why this is why they're like, oh about the podcast? About the podcast is because Devin likes to call me out on all of my facial expressions that I wish you would just not talk about because I'm just trying to give the whole Someone asked if we would do twitch, by the way, because they really see our facial expressions. I'm trying to give the full and the whole context.

And you're not wrong in feeling your feelings are valid, Anissa, and so we just I'm just trying to lift them up. As Tori is telling her piece and Mariah and I have totally squashed everything. We talked about everything, and I hated that I came out of character, but I also felt like, well, I'm also going to defend my character.

Of course you are. I don't think you were. I mean, look, anybody being attacked like that, whether whatever she was saying was her perception or true or whatever, I think anyone would respond. And given that you guys had lunched two days prior, where you're thinking things were okay, like for me, that I that's like the biggest shock, Like I would totally be like, wait what, I will say this too, for and this is true for all all of us here.

You know, it's been so long, and especially for some of you guys like Anissa and Tory who've done many upon many upon many upon many upon many upon many upon fast forward, commercial breakback, many upon many upon seasons um that that the feeling you have when you're doing your first one, and the insecurity around when you're doing your first one, and perception and all of that, it's like it's like I remember my first Real World season.

It is the only season I ever regretted of anything I've ever done, because I too didn't feel like I got to tell my story like I was so nervous about what to say, and I didn't speak my voice and blah blah blah. And so when I came back, I was very different and more like, here, take me as I am. So I think the grace was rookie. Sometimes it doesn't justify all their behavior. But just when you're a first time we're thrown into this, it's different than when you've done it a few times and you

know people and you've just found yourself. You're a little more confident in yourself or who you are. Ye, I screamed, this is the first time you've done this in the argument, Yeah, so yeah, I was trying to like de escalate while yelling. Yeah. I was like to say, I don't know if that's the tactics. I tried whatever I could, you know. Yeah, So, Davon, you're making it fas because you said it very polite

and that's just not my experience. My experience my first season of the Challenge, where the vets were very quicky, they were very clicky, and um, the gate was locked and I had to force the lockdown in order to get in the best way I could. And I don't know, no one died from it. But it's that doesn't mean you're not uncomfortable along the way, and it shouldn't be that type of situation. The environment itself is already uncomfortable. Who are you to make it even more uncomfortable for me?

But who were they to have to like roll up the red carpet. I'm just playing out the red carpet, and I feel you don't have to roll out the red carpet, but you don't have to go above and beyond to make me feel like you're hazing me. This is not a fraternity. Well, no, there was no There was no hazing on my season. I'm not gonna say that because nobody like putting their hands on me, hazing or nothing like that. But it was very much so. We are here, you're there, and you have to work

to get here. And I'm like, that's cool. I'll do the job, but you don't have to be nasty as I'm doing the job to get there. This, this environment itself, the challenges itself is are very difficult. It's a very stressful environment. And I understand it. You guys have seniority, you guys have been there, y'all put into work. I've been doing this for years. You made name for yourself.

That's great, that's awesome, But you were a rookie once before too, and then when you felt when you came in there's no grace there, and it's like I had to do what you need to do it too. But I also I get what you're saying, and I totally get that. I also feel like for people that came from Real World or Big Brother or like had a starting show, kind of got an eye, like kind of got a heads up into like what this world kind of looks like in a non well, yours is a

competition more so, and so it's tories. But like for Devin and I, my life would say for five months of like we're going through real shit. So I was ready to go when we went on the first one, I was like, oh shit, vacation. But the game was also different. Yeah, but it was a popularity contest because there were no eliminations. Yeah, so people didn't like you.

You were out of there, so that was even worse. Yeah, it wasn't like you were a threat in the game because because she has a good athlete and she had a great partner, So it's like it wasn't even that back then it was like we don't like you, you you can go yeah, And it's true she came from no show that was her first and I think that makes a big difference to Yeah. I agree. It's a lot being living your life in front of a camera like that, and I'm glad she found she felt she found her voice.

I'm also glad that the podcast got so many shout outs. Listen at the same time and you know, going to hate me Anissa and Torria person today, David and I came on this podcast because they've managed to walk the line so well that I like to be real for the people that is all shout out to play with said people. Um not that I don't get call to do. So, you know what, I really want to have that conversation because it's it's it's uncomfortable for me as somebody who

really don't care. Like at the end of the day, I feel like if I ever do go back into a season, if you're going to throw me in on something I sit on a podcast, then let's go because you want to pick me out whatever it is, what it is like, I don't have that fear, but I do feel like on this podcast certain things are not discussed in full depth the way that they should be.

And I don't know if that's because I'm going back on another season I'm gonna have to see these people, or is it I just genuinely have nothing to say about it? Well what specifically, It's been a lot of different things. I can't pinpoint one thing in particular, but it's been a lot of conversations that we've had and rather than answer, it's been like a, well, I think

it comes down to, like what is being talked about? Like, I don't think I've ever actually shied away from a true opinion about something if I felt strongly enough about it. But there is a point in time where it's like, is it gonna benefit me to say this? I don't know. And at the end of the day, I'm gonna look out for myself and but I'm still gonna speak when it comes to things that I feel like deserved to be talked about. So I think it's just very certain

it's circumstantial. I want to know what Dave Hanna's sick, Yeah, I want I want to know what which what you would like us to go more? In one oh, okay example, here you go Tori last week. Last week, we were having a conversation and we were talking about the Jordan versus Anissa situation, right, and I asked you, or I think it was brought up, how you felt about it or whatever, and you basically borderline defended Jordan as opposed

to stating him being in the wrong. And I think I've heard you say before in that situation you didn't fully agree with what he was saying to Anissa. So and I talked to Anisa about this after, like me, watching the way Jordan and a Nissa spoke, it was triggering for me because of the way him and I

would talk to each other. So I didn't ever want to interject myself in that in that conversation because it brought back up old memories of him and I. So I'm not just I'm not defending her as a friend because I'm also going through my own traumatic experience really living moments with him as an individual. So I'm taking a step back just for that reason. And that's all I feel like that. I get that, I get that, but it ain't just that. It's a lot of situations.

Johnny is one album and it's a lot of other situations. You guys, I just feel like, well, when it comes to this podcast, it is supposed to be an opportunity for us to just really talk. Can I say this, though, I think that there is with any good show, you need balance, and I think the four of us provide such a good balance. Like every one of us here has the styles and the ways and the whatever that people respond to. And that's based on all the reviews

I've read and read it threads and comments. So I don't think every one of us has to be the first one to like push a question to you know, and and and we we all kind of challenge each other in different ways. Like you know, Anissa forever gets mad because I talk about like challenges me when I talk about her her facial expressions, and everybody knows I make them. Yes, she definitely secret. You really should I make them on camera? Yeah, you guys, it's they're even better.

I can't help I try, actually to you. But I think that as this like sisterhood, I actually think we have like a perfect mix of a balance, because too much of any one thing is just that it's too much, And like Tori said, too if it's a genuine generin general consensus on something, then it's like sometimes not needed to like go in depth on and if there's different opinions, then I think that we have that too. Okay, we obviously need to take a break. Don't go anywhere, you

guys will be right back after this. Getting more into this reunion, what were your thoughts on Nourice and the Johnny hook up and then Nurse saying that Johnny is indeed still blocked um from social media, but that but that she hooked up with him the night before the reunion. Were you guys shocked by that at all? It's just I already knew that's what out tory. That's exactly. Oh it's so toxic. Yeah, I mean like they're I've I've lived that life before, I've walked that path. I've blocked

people and fucked them. Like that's an old version of me. So I see people who do that now and I'm like, stiff arm, stiff arm that because it's toxic patterns and like it's only going to lead to dead ends. Yeah. Yeah, there's no way to back up from that. Like once you block, block bang, bang and block, once you B and B. I feel like that is the forward trajectory

of the relationship. You only have a B. You have an f W B B B friendship for right, Like that's what That sets the tone for the rest of it. I don't think you can go back and be like, let's have a relationship now. There's a meme about that, like from loved to block to like a true love story or something like that, from baby Story. Are they together now? I don't know. I'll ask her tonight. Oh but I don't think so. Oh no, Olivia in the background saying hello, Oh wait, okay, wait is that Olivia

in the background. Yeahs Olivia, she's in my dad. Oh, oh Olivia, we love you so much and so yes, of course, what you say for you, you're trading Nelson out for me. I told she loved me. I mean but that I mean she he knew that as soon as soon as he voted her in that one time or that two times, three times? Um Anissa, Speaking of your facial expressions, the face you made when Bessie said he and Nelson are similar in real life? Oh my god,

what did I do? You looked? I mean, just the face was like, uh, it was like the math wasn't math like your face said that, like because he was serious that he was like, yeah, you know, me and Nelson, I think when we were similar in real life. Just I'm still confused by that state. I don't even think Nelson how, I don't And when did they hang out? I don't know, I'm I don't, I don't know how.

I'm still very team. I don't think they're friends, like I don't I think Nelson really maybe Fessie's Fray, but I don't think is Nelson's Frain at all. And I also want to say I appreciate this O Marion journey that Nelson is on. Um, this journey, I can't deal with you. But I'm gonna need baby to get a little man because it's not really wing for me. We've already seen him. Man. I don't like when he has misdirected anger. He actually okay on me in the he

stabbed on me while filming that. Why what happened because when well, I think because looking back it doesn't make sense. But it was after like the whole deal I cut with Fessie and Jordan, he felt like he wasn't a part of that. Yeah, so he snapped about that and so what did he say? Do you remember? Basically like you're fake, you're a snake, You're this, you're that, and so none of that made it so wow, did he apology?

Are you guys good? Now? Like? Did he apologize? And immediately after all of that he came up to me after and I was like, I just want you to know we're all good. And I was like, Nelson, I don't give a fuck. You can think I'm a snake anyway, I don't care. Like it's all good, We're cool. I actually ran in him at the airport two days ago. Like it's the nails talking, right, I know, right, she is a clickity clack y'all are gonna know I have these? Yeah,

she's talking a lot with her hands to the real quick. Yeah, it's just you know, I think I talk with the hands all the time, but I think the nails make it. Oh you nails always make you. So what did you say? Is there something else you would like to say? Davion? What is it that you want me to speak on Dave? For those listening, just to narrate. Basically, Davon and Anissa are now imitating and talking with their hands, but no one's going but let me say shout out to Davon's

Daisy Nails. She has a light Easter Easter celebration on and I love that. So I do think Nelson has has a spice to him. But for some reason that got edited out, maybe because who knows why it's not I think he was more so sad about the Olivia thing. Yeah, yeah, he was. Really Olivia, you broke Anissa. Tell your your visitor you broken Olivia. You broke Nelson's heart, but not really, But then tell your visitor that I suppose you know Nelson.

Nelson falls in love, you know, every day, every day. Yeah, well, we've talked about Also, there's camp syndrome. It's a real thing. It's part of the reason many of these things don't last. You're in, you're limited, and you're who you're around. You start to be like, oh, this person's appealing, and I love the way they say to everybody like and like, that's just camp syndrome is a real, very vague You walk outside and you're like, damn, that palm tree looks good.

Anybody noticed the leaves on that thing? I had a crush on the audio It could be dead. Remember yahout camp syndrome is real. But I do want to know who camped out on Oh can we talk about the camping out on fancy jacket? Do you want to stand? O? God? Because thank god it was white or cream? Wait? Who saw? Who discovered it? Is what I want to How did they find out it was you? Well, somebody a birdie had told me. I don't really remember the bird I swear um flew on my shoulder and said, oh my god,

there may be some DNA on a jacket. Oh I know the birdie. The birdie flew into your bed. She's sitting right behind you. That would make sense. I don't know. Lin, did you tell me that? Oh? Live told me. I told you. I knew it. I knew it. I will say one thing. She's she's very honest, she told me. And then I just giggled a lot because we would Argentina was cold. We were there in the winter, so festy. You know him? He loves clearly a white puffer at

a white sweater. Mmm, both with the fur wait the jacket with after without knowing that, yeah, I think so. So I told him. He was like, that's my homie. D Dad. I'm like, so you're defend that's nasty. Maybe I love I love Olivia, but I'm stripping the sheets, not right now. I mean, but if she was in bed with somebody else and there's there's DNA on my anywhere,

I'm either burning or hot water to it. I'm not wearing it like I would have had to have the finest dry cleaning Argentina could afford, Like, give me what you got. That's a whole different way of sharing DNA. And speaking of sharing DNA, let's talk about the Tory Laurel Jordan thing. Um So, when Maria brought up Tory about this whole Laurel Jordan hooking back up, Like, what were your real thoughts, because I felt like, I don't know,

I felt you were super cool about it. They were all like, yeah, I felt like there would have been stronger feelings now that you got the clickity clack nails. I'd love to hear her take her take, No, hobnously, you want to know how I feel. I've gotten so much heat over the years for hooking up with multiple people.

So for me to expose that Jordan has yet hooked up again with somebody else from the show almost made me feel like everybody points to fingers at me, but like he's a dude, he's also doing the same shit, put the heat that way. So I honestly, especially after everything Jordan and I've been through, I have no feelings

for him anymore. So I genuinely don't care. The The only like positive feeling that came from it, and this is unfortunately at Laurel's expense, was that Jordan now gets it also exposed for sleeping around the way I do. And I just wanted to be I want us both to be looked at evenly like that, like I have numbers on my list, he's got numbers on his list. We're even right. So that's how I feel about it.

And so it was Laurel because Laurel was with Nicole, and then you know, yeah, can I wanted to Yeah, I want to know about that. I'm not David, Dad. I don't want to go down the yellow brick road with you right now to it. I am so eff and curious. We'll talk later. What I do want to know is how you guys felt about seeing her be vulnerable about Hara Fiel, like that that was a moment for me, like to see her cry about that situation.

I was just kind of like, okay, like there was something really real there because it went from Michelle here to like this very soft like I really felt this, yeah, you know, and I think we all you could feel it through just watching it. Yeah, like there was just something deeper that perhaps she well clearly she hadn't shared with us, and we clearly couldn't see just from their interaction.

I definitely think Laurel had very obvious and deep feelings for him, Like after she left and after Jordan and Maurice had, you know, their moment later in the season, Rossio and I snuggled like a bunch of times, and after all of that, none of that even made air. But after she had heard rumors of it, I think somebody, maybe Mariah mentioned it to her. So I went up and I had a conversation with her and I'm like, hey, like I was snuggling with Rossio, like I wanted to know,

do you care about him? Because if you do at this reunion, like he was kind of like flirting on me a little bit, I'm like, I don't know this is about to happen, So I'm like, let me ask Laurel straight up, like do you have feelings for him? And I will totally back off? And she was like I do and I was like, okay, cool, I'll done. So I think that at the time it was very real. But um, you know, I mean, it doesn't seem like there's anything happening. Now, would you say that, I think

that's real? Dope? If she would to her, yeah, it is dope, And then it's dope that you stop to figure out there's nothing going on. Now. What makes you say that? Well, just because the post that on social media with her and Nicole's Sanata, right, what weren't they like holding hands? Wasn't Nicole? No? But sometimes things sometimes things change, Okay, yeah, look, the third time's the charm. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say. If you know, you know

the third time is the charm? Um uh yeah, but that is very big of you, Tory, to to go up and then respect that. I think some of the fights in the house at least this season probably could have been stopped if by yeah, by conversation, because even the reason was, like, you know, she wished she would have done things differently, do we believe that that she would know things different? She did not give a differently energy at all. She looked beautiful, though she didn't give

it to different She did just made a face. She didn't I'm sorry. Even the body language and the like tapping of the foot the whole time she was riled up and didn't seem to I don't know, but I also could come off like she was uncomfortable. Yeah, that's

kind of do I answer this? And that's how I felt too, because there's no malice like she was like do you think I mean, I genuinely think that that she's kind of like she's cool about shit, Like you know, we've had conversations about guys and sex, and I just think she was kind of uncomfortable too, like, but I also feel like, and this is no shade to her, This is just in general when you say you feel bad after the fact, Wow, that's that's the only thing,

like I And this isn't to her. This is I mean, I was hooking up a Korey and he had a whole girlfriend, and I mean that was more his shit than mine. But don't say sorry to a girlfriend after just don't do it right, you know what I mean? Do you like that honest thing that I just said, I'm very proud. I do. I do. I think she I think it was a sincerity to what she said. But here's the reason why I think she genuinely wants

to be Tori's friend. There's something about her that wants to be Tori's friend, and I think it's a I think if it was anybody else, there would be no, no, Okay, whatever I did, it is done, because she has a very whatever I did, it is done attitude. But I think because she really wants to be friends with Tor, I think she was really affected by the way she

hurt Tory. That's what I think I do too, because I don't think she cares what people say about her whatever she wants to do, which I I mean, like, of course everyone does to a yeah, yeah, but in general no, She's like yeah, I mean just which is powerful because it takes sometimes years for people to grow into that feeling. So I really respect that about her.

But I also agree, like her and I have had awesome conversations post this whole thing happening, and like yeah, with her and Jordan not actually working out and her realizing what it was like, Yeah, maybe she I genuinely believe her. I do think that she was regretful and I like her me too. She'll be here this evening.

What is that face, Devin. I don't know. I just don't know how I feel about I don't I do believe she I believe that she was since here and what she said to you, Tori, and I do believe that she wants to be Tori's friend. I believe all of that. Um, I don't know, just some I'm just still dissecting it all. And uh, I'm sure when I see them more seasons than I can, I'll be able to give my personal analysis. But I don't know. I just feel like they're not paying extra for that personal

analysis now, and that's why you haven't been matched. And he said, and I'm kidding, um, because I personal analysis and data collection. Thank no. I just mean that she that there were moments that she it was like she came across as a bit of a dichotomy in the in the not necessarily not as much in the season in my opinion, but certainly in the two part reunion were there are moments that came across almost borderline mean

girl in a way to me. And then the moments where she came across, Like I do think she was since here what she shared to you, um Tori, and so it's really just sort of understand and we can disagree. That's the whole. I agree, and I can see how you can see that, But being there and sitting there and seeing like certain, I mean, I think Raven was attacking on genuine hurt feelings and that was her motivation.

But you're not gonna call me a hoh that many times and me not react because then it's like, well, well, what was wrong with me? But it wasn't just at the Raven thing. It was just her responses to something, multiple things. And I agree that guy, Well I was just talking about the one, the one general thing that lasted for about an hour of her like that can

set your mood. Oh yeah. So I'm just saying there are a number of variables that we have to take into account that affect the way that people hammle themselves, like people that haven't been in that environment either, like how do I navigate? Like what do I do with my backs against the wall? What do I do when I get these questions? I think it's kind of like everybody kind of as a deer in the headlights. Everybody's

kind of like, how do I do this? Like, I'm like us who have done it for so long, we kind of know how to I think, so I think that's I think that literally, my trainer would say, like I always have to get a second opinion to prove that she was right in the first place. I'm sorry, but that's the way I understand things is by talking them out. Okay, so before these weirdos get any weirder, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back after this. Before these weirdos get any weirder, what

are you gonna say? Day? Oh, I'm just gonna ask Anisa what was her opinion when Chauncey kind of like backed her in the corner about the podcast? Wow? Oh well, I didn't really care that much because one I had already talked to amber Um and it was like I was trying to be like fun about shit and like alluding like things may get a little sneaky, like it wasn't you know, it wasn't malicious. So once I think we had Chauncey on the podcast and I explained it

to him, he understood that more. I just think that he was an easy name to grab because it was like, oh, well she actually said something like I have evidence so I could use this, But it was more so of a her saying like I don't want any of the Vets to win to I want Nannie to win. I want everyone to win. I want you know, just like more of like inconsistencies than like, I never said she was a bad person, you know what I mean. So it wasn't like talking about people's gameplay. I don't think

it's a diss. I agree, So this isn't my character analysis. I think she's a wonderful person. I'm really sweet. It's we all like have played the game, stupid Tory me. Everyone has played it not the smartest way, you know. And I don't think that's a diss. That's on your ship, like sometimes we mess up. Yeah, and that's all like, and I'm allowed to have that opinion. Um, and maybe in that moment, fresh off the season, my feelings may

have been different than they are now. You know, any knowledge on this alleged group chat, so I mean I heard of said group chat, but we're still trying to figure out what it is. Because they even showed me the group chat. I didn't see anything. Oh, well you didn't see anything that talked about Olivia. Were in that group chat? Yeah? Was anything said about Amber? No? So there is in fact a group chat. There's a group chat, but there's a ton of group chat, like, yeah, we

have a group chat. We don't even use it. We really It was like Tory said, f I have to work with you guys, I don't want to talk to you. Davon talks to me. Davon talks to me and gives me like baby little sermons and pumps me up a little bit. And I don't even get that. I get I talked to Davon on Twitter because that's what she knows. I don't. She asked me random questions and then when I respond, she does not respond back with her answer

of the question. That is the extent different experience over here. Not to brag, but what has been a great episode. It's been a great Oh this season, Well, there was a lot, there was a lot of people, a lot of things going. I love how they ended it on a um, you know, a magic Chauncey moment. Uh yeah, him, not Davon, stop it, Davon, what she's turned on? Those eyes, those eyes down, We're like, yeah, I could talk liked it. I am not, And I think that is perfectly okay

because that is somebody else's man. So I should not be turned on anyway with that one question that's burning. And since Davon insisted that we ask all the questions. A few moments ago when we talked about camp syndrome and being a real thing, and you know that we know that happened to the episode. I knew it was coming and Devon agreed, She's like camp syndrome, So that means she understands that there could be someone in the house that you're attracted to. Devon, who I forgot would

have been? Who is your camp syndrome person? Tell us a little bit more about that, please? How is your I have not done anybody around, but who in your would who? Whom? You know? What I'm asking what? Who are you attracted? And the challenge everybody all three of us have revealed something or acknowledge something. I mean on ours are on TV. But Devon, who from the Challenged

World Challenged family? Was you know, your camp buddy or would have been your camp I canna say all the truth and I'm probably gonna go, I'll kind of flag for this whatever I'm here, um, not not in present day. Not not in present day. And I'm gonna say that because I don't want it to be awkward if I ever run into this person again. Not in present day, but once upon a time. You know, Jesus has are you attracted? No? I had no, Not to Jesus. It's not even Sunday if you don't go back and tell

her who Okay? Um, oh Jesus, guys, I think my hip Hello. No, Nope, that's microphone. Don't standard. You can't hold them to a standard. You can't hold yourself too. So if you want to talk about it, Jesus, Oh, y'all don't even y'all don't know him not he goes to a different school. I hate that wasn't the question. If you don't answer the question, I don't want to play Dave bon we have all Nope, Nope, you can't

be weak. You've been You literally just said on this podcast and called out Tory and Nisa for not answering questions one question all season and you're not gonna answer. Okay, so um not the inc On Final Reckoning, which was my first season, I did. I. I was attracted to Nelson, but what who? I thought I was gonna be a bitch. But it was before he started talking. Once we got a conversation, I was like, oh no, this isn't gonna work.

And then I just love the next time he sees you, he's gonna no. No, no, no, no, no no no, there's not a thing. There's nothing. It's not a thing. Oh but this is this is how we were able to connect because we're both from Eaglewood. We both would have conversations about where we grew up at him, her trying to rationalize it, she has to wow, Devon and Nelson. Somebody listening put together a mean, that's not the two

of them. Please, I will retweet it. I will post it across the Devon's walking on stage and he's just sitting there. Yes, we just got to put him in there. It's okay. But the no one like the one that everybody knows about is THEO. Like I thought THEO was attractive, but then that is fine. That was nowhere. I have seen him in person, but I think he's attractive. But yeah, it was Nelson. It was oh yeah, I got so much camp stuff that y'all don't know about and y'all

never will. And that concludes our podcast. That's out. We finally got her to answer a question. I feel so good about it. Now we got to get Davon and Nelson to get done with you. Devin, relax, we're supposed to You're supposed to counsel him and match him somewhere else. I know I wouldn't do that to Nelson, what I mean, so I love them both very much. This is wow. I didn't see that coming either. That was not that was not on the bingo card. I'm glad I have

this time with you, ladies. It has been real. Oh. I love you guys so much. Sisterhood it is. Yeah. I think where Rider dies at this point, at this point four pas in a podcast. Oh you better hold on to that before better get the rights to that right now? So so so, Tori. That means you're not putting me into elimination. I can you imagine if we were all on a scene together, I know, like, actually we can't, we actually can't. We have an alliance. I

guess that actually be pretty funny. I imagine me standing down there. You broke the pea code, broke right like Nelson, go get your girl right? No, all right, well you listen, you guys, Davon tell people where they can follow you and send you beautiful pictures of Nelson. Let's not, let's let's not. Just just don't send me no pictures of nobody unlessage Jesus or scriptures. Um you can. You can't on Twitter at Dave Davon, Underscore, Instagram, day Lion, Diane

Underscore Devin. When we're going to people find you, I can't even talk. I was waiting for you to say YouTube, but she didn't say. Wow. You guys can find me on my website Devin Simone dot com at seven with a why Simone with an eye. You can also find me on I g at Devin Simone, TikTok at Devin Simone. You can also follow me on Amazon, so go to amazon dot com, slash shop slash Devin Simone. When I'll give you shout outs there, Torrey, where can they find you?

Clickity clack girl, black ybody else alone? Um, well, you guys can follow me at Tory Underscore deal and please, if you like this podcast, rate and review it, send us some love because you know I read them now so, but any where can we follow you? That's why you got that attitude. She was like, we almost forgot our friend. Um, you guys can follow me. I'll be left in the background at Anissa MTV on Instagram. I peaked on Twitter and I didn't find anything that exciting, so I still

don't really deal with it. So you can just find me on Instagram and yeah, right, and with Lewis, and you're on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, and tell a friend, tell everyone, and you can catch the Challenge World Championship start in March eighth on Paramount Plus. Yes, and you can catch Davon and Nelson if you look really closely, So keep your eyes out for that and we'll see you back here right after that for a brand new episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast, or peas in a podcast way Out