Ride or Dies Reunion: Part 1

not only I didn't even look at the boots. I just saw your hair laying and the perfect amount of clevelige that glow you had going on. Anissa, I didn't even couldn't even get down to the boots. I was like, yes, girl, sir. So speaking of tiggle biddies, tore yours were sitting up? How did you get that? I just want to apologize to my mom man, because she had been messaging me the day that I was on Instagram posting beer at

the reunion. She was like, tore your boots and I was like, can I just say I saw that your feet are listed on like a feet website. Oh god read all of us. Yes, and and I only know because I got an alert that a picture of mind and I do not have pretty beat got uploaded. But anyway you had photos. I was like, okay, to listen. I definitely. All I gotta say about my feet is did you see the champ shoes? Did you see? Yeah? Those were those were fired. But I also saw a

lot of under boots. Okay, it good. I do like how all of the pairs were color coordinated. I thought that was so dope. Do you guys do that or were you guys sold? They were like, could you kind of like get it together? And I'm like, you know, Jordan's an alien right to wear scarf, cowboy hat, cowboy boots, like a body suit jagged and then like boxer shorts over it. But it worked. He looked amazing. He was gonna wear a blazer, but I was like, I have a blazer. He was like, you know what, Anissa, you

wear the blazer? I know, yeah, yes today, unlike unlike when he came out hot in the reunion, which we will get too momentarily. Whose looks were your favorite? You guys were there in person, But I'm just curious if you had to pick a ride or die pair each of you whose look was your favorite. I mean Amber and Chauncey were a glow one with their thing. Amber's dress was a beautiful yeah. Yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, I mean pregnant or not, I mean she still would

have looked fabulous in the dr I mean it was beautiful. Yeah. I thought Laurel's megap was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Were megapartists really slapped on that pank It looked good. Yeah. I think Michelle looked like this little princess. I liked her earrings. They were mine, thank you for Someone was like, whose earrings? I'm like mine? You know what? It's crazy seeing like the split between when you see us filming the show and then you see us with the makeup on at

the reunion, Like we look like two different people before. No, Tori, I mean to be honest, you you posted the Neanderthal and then I sent you the picture of you in the final and I was like, you are a person of the earth and it's crazy that you still ended up looking good but dirty. I got tweets about it was insane where your hair looked amazing in the final, someone was tweeting me annoying. Yeah, she looked like a pantine pro vic. We all smelled awful, but she seemed

to keep it together and look good. Shout out to Joba oil because that's what I've been putting in my hair lately, So shout out to jobo Oil. Hey, Jhoba it works. Yeah. Maybe I'm a little biased because purple was my favorite color, but I was a fan of

how Raven and Johnny finally coordinated. Yeah, speaking of the Johnny Neurice thing, what did you guys think about that fight that happened like two minutes in and you know, for the two of you that were there, Tori and Anissa, what else went down that we didn't see around the kind of neurice Johnny. It was so long, it lasted four ever and it went in a circle, went a bit old circle, and then it turned into like a slut shaming fest and it just didn't work for it

just didn't get get anywhere. I feel like a lot wasn't resolved. It was obviously very intense and heated, and for sure, there was definitely no closure. Like I remember walking back after that, like when we had our and we were like, do you know what just happened? I'm like nope, yeah. So do you think Raven still wants to or wanted to be with Johnny or no, not anymore? No no, no no, no, no no, no, not anymore. I don't know about present day, but at that reunion something was

brewing in we could say. I mean even when we had her on the podcast, I kind of get it because you want closure and you don't want to look stupid on television. And I think that since neither of those things happen, where like she doesn't feel that she got her redemption or her closure, and she feels like maybe she looks like she looks silly that that's what she wanted. She wanted to be acknowledged that her feelings were hurt. She wanted to be acknowledged that like she

was a good partner. She wanted those things. And I feel like, no matter what Johnny said, like it just wasn't going to be good enough. Um, I don't know how it could have been different. Like of course she feel badly because you don't want anybody to be that upset and like moved to tears because of it. But

it just we all want closure. You know, I thought it was really weird to hear not so much Norese, but Nelson jump in and basically like almost called her delusional, like you know, And I was like, where, what where did that come from? Was he defending his partner or did he really have a dog in the fire. Now, I think Nelson's definitely the type of person that's going to go out of his way to defend his partner. Like I think he was just doing it for Noursee

in that moment. And I do think that there was words exchanged between Nourice and Raven when they were there that ended up making it feel like Nelson had to protect Neurse. But yeah, from my understanding, they had a conversation after it was all over and tried to squash whatever they say. Because even the rees jumping in was weird. I was like, where did that come come from? It was because because that was kind of with Johnny initially, right, Like,

didn't that's where it came from? Is that Raven? It sounds like went in to this season thinking that she and Johnny were a thing or potentially a thing because he saw her boobies according to her right uh, And then pretty quickly in Neurice and I think we heard earlier in the season on the podcast that they were making out even on the plane, right or something like that, that,

like nearing Johnny were kind of making out. So Raven I think may have felt scorned, like where that energy was coming from, because Johnny at the time essentially picked Nereese over Raven, and Raven felt like she and Johnny we're supposed to be a thing, right, So here's where

I was coming from. As far as I didn't understand why Neurice had jumped in in that particular moment, I understand that, you know, Nesee was a part of the triangle, but in that particular moment when Raven was having her meldown. I say that because according to social media, y'all know, I love them Twitter streets, there was video footage and then making TikTok's together. Yeah, so how y'all tiktoking? You're saying,

why is the beef reignited? Yeah? Yeah, if y'all were say at the reunion though they were making TikTok's at the reunion they had before filmed. I don't know, Yeah, I see that, I don't know. And they were standing right next to being Neurice's friend and we stayed together after that. Okay, it just I don't I feel like time wise like timing wise, I don't think she was making the TikTok's post reunion, but I think when everyone was dressed up, everybody felt cute. Before you know, the

claws came out and the knives were thrown. I feel like it may have been then, but don't quote me on that, because but I'm just imagining that would make more sense. You guys said it was like a long period of them arguing. I guess what I'm trying to find out is did Raven say something that triggered Neurice before Nourisa jumping Because the editing looked like Nerisia jumped in out of nowhere. So what I'm trying to figure

out is did Raven say something to her. I'm pretty sure that Raven just alluded to the fact that, oh god, I can't remember. No, I actually don't know. It was just such a long day, but I know that there was like snarky remarks that I think Nourice felt triggered by because it had been the tension had been building of like, well, you were with him and with him and with him, and I'm like, what does her body

count have to do with? Like you, it's my biggest thing, and I I will put that out to everyone is just like, what I choose to do with my body is my business. And if it's not hurting me or anyone else, now I get it, tour like if it's not her. But I would have felt attacked if someone started being like, well, you know what, you was fucking da da da da da, and then you started I'm like, well, what does I have to do with the game show? Well? Can I just play Angels Advocate? No? No, no, yes?

And so so my thought process is this, and I don't know that this is how Raven meant it, and I'm not taking aside one way or the other. But the way that I could see it or interpreted it, well, clearly, yes, she was out to like attack the resent that moment, because clearly they were going back and forth. So that's

obviously the intention. But to me, it was less or could be less about the body count, because you're right, your body of your choice, all that stuff, YadA, but more about the quote unquote relationship or thing you had with Johnny wasn't significant because you went from Johnny to this other person to this other person in a very

short span of time. So it was more about calling into question the significance because clearly the fact that she's still hurt over showing her boobs to Johnny all this time.

And I'm not saying like like what Nourice does has nothing to do with how Raven behaved or choices she made it right, but I am saying, clearly Raven had strongish feelings about Johnny at some point that she's still upset about it and crying about it like all this time later, and so it's sort of calling into question like having shallow relate, like you know, you were all in on this boy, and then a week later you're all in on this I mean, it wasn't and on

this person. And it wasn't that either. I mean she got off the show and Johnny was like whatever, and she was like all right, boy, I mean she's young. They're all young, do you guys at misguided anger? Like she's not really open for sure to her, Yeah, it would have been different than she came in the house buddy buddy with Neurice and Nerese knew that she had feelings for Johnny. I think that's what I've been like, I need new friends. Yeah. No, think that part was

like obvious. She was just responding to what she felt in a re said back to her and was clearly attacking. But um, yeah, but I also think it's yeah, yeah, yeah, in the way of Maria Manunos. We can move on to the um. You know, let's talk a little bit about the Laurel and Michelle moments. Yeah, was interesting because I didn't expect so much kind of like such a snapback to come back, like for Laurel to really go in. What did you guys think being there? It wasn't scared.

I didn't like it. It was intense for sure. I think, Um, Michelle and Laurel's personalities genuinely don't clash. I think that they could, but I think that they're Michelle is one of those people who's still kind of working through like people pleasing. Laurel's a very straightforward kind of person. So you put those two people together. Laurel doesn't respect somebody who's gonna like try to, like, you know, write these difficult situations, and Michelle is kind of looking for approval

or looking for acceptance in a way. Yeah, and so the two of them are just like consistently clashing. I personally really enjoy them both though. So yeah, being there was very interesting, Like they it was intense, and it was one of those long ass circular arguments. We just kept having a lot of circular arguments. And it's not because you could see Michelle getting read and upset because she wanted to like defend herself in that moment, and

you could see like a physical reaction happening. And I just felt like, it's it's I don't know, we can say we don't like people, we can say whatever, but in the house, like it's a totally different dynamic. When we get out of it, it's just it changes things and we get to watch the showback. I mean, it definitely puts things into perspective. But I'm not going to beg for a friendship from somebody who does not want

to be my friend. Let me tell you something. I feel like the reason why Michelle was struggling so hard on that stage, it's because she wasn't saying what she really wanted to say. You could see it, and even as she was talking, she kept saying stuff like, um, well that's because we never mind what do you know what you had going on? And we're not gonna talk about that. But you know what, and we're not gonna I'm like, girl, no, let's talk about it. This is

the opportunity to talk about it. So even when she was on the podcast with us, there were certain things that she said, well, I'm not gonna say that because I don't want to say this, and I felt like she was doing the same thing on the show and I don't I don't know what you're protecting, because it's obvious you guys aren't friends. I don't know what you're trying to protect. But it's not make you not saying what you want to say, it's not making you. You're losing.

You're losing in this argument, in this battle. You're losing because you aren't vocalizing, you aren't saying anything, and so you're losing. And so I just I was really upset with her for not speaking her mind because this is it. And I got on her on the podcast. I said, Michelle, I gave her the time out. I said, because you're not standing up for yourself. And I felt like she did the same exact thing on the reunion and so, girl,

what are you protecting? People? Pleasing is hard to break people pleasings, really, and that actually is the type of attachment style, Like it's very much the anxious attachment style, and Laurel clearly seems like sort of um, you know, the detached and so she's she's the more Laurel pushes back,

the more Michelle is going towards it. And I think I love the way they buttoned that particular segment and she says, Look, I'm human, I'm working on myself, I'm going through things, and I'm really rooting for her in that way, and I think it's an opportunity for her to get better and telling her story and setting boundaries. Yeah, but I agree with you, Davon, especially in TV like this, if you it was the one regret I had for

my Real World season is like I too. There were things I wouldn't say because I'm like, oh, I don't want to throw this person of us or I don't want to do that, And it came from people pleasing. And if you don't tell your story, they will fill in the blanks. And that's the worst part. And that's

and that's certainly what happened. So I think between relying on jay social strategy this season and then her not speak her truth, I think those were her downfalls of this particular season, but rooting for her that she's working on, we've seen growth in this show. So yeah, certainly, and I think the Shell's totally capable of that. I really enjoy agree. So I think that, you know, with time, it takes time to really break that girl. Call me,

we'll break it in twenty four hours. Calm as well. Yeah, okay, look, we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere. Y'all will be right back after that. Yeah. Well, obviously, watching those two girls go at it was spicy enough for Bessy to not be able to choose between either of them because I cannot How he still has options is beyond me. I don't know. And by the way, what did you think when Mariah revealed or Bessie revealed that Mariah only responded to him when he got verified

on its cackle? But do you think it's because she had a boyfriend. No, it's because he got verified on it, that's what she's saying. No, it was a smart it was a smart moved. I mean she I'm sure she had one. I'm sure she was loyal, but but no, it's because he got verified on Instagram. Let's be real. Did y'all catch the little side like I guess right before commercial break where it was after Raven segment where Bessy was standing there and was like, I can't believe you.

He fumbled the ball on you, like how do you? And I'm like, are you really pitching right now? Yeah? Betty? Like you enough as it is back up. I thought that was hilarious. I liked it for Raven though, because obviously, like when she was on the stage and she was blushed, Yeah, like everybody likes a little flirt, so I liked it for her. I mean, here we go, sorr. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

I'm so glad that we don't do video recordings of this because I would never be able to explain my face in half of these girls, and then you're too busy time about everybody else's face. I get to roll my eyes because I have to wait for Davon to roll her so I can equally roll. I can't really just pick one of us. You don't contagious moments where

yeah he definitely makes sad eyes. But I don't know if Bessie's compliments, I mean, I agree, and Ravens a beautiful woman anyway, Like I I feel like I watched this reunion just rooting so much for so many of the women on that stage to be you see how valuable you are, Like please see that you were worth so much more than this, Like you bring so much more, your worths so much more. You don't have to put up with it, um. But I get it too, being young sometimes, you know, we've all many of us have

been there at some point. But Bessie's compliment is just it feels I don't know, it kind of feels like a dirty dish rag, you know, like the different cleaning the counter with the versus a dishrag, Like it looks clean, but it really is some times, you know, it kind of has It's like it's a little smells I hate. I don't think did you say dirty dick rag or dish rags? Washloth? I just say, what are you? Because oh this part didn't come from all purpose? What is

what a lufa girl? Same? I haven't had sex in years, ladies, Wait, what does this Lufa and celibate have to do with anything. I don't. Let's talk about Lufa's not dirty. Let's talk Cebate. Storry was just like fun pact. Let's talk about something else, Na like you speaking of you and you're not celibate. Let's give it up for Amber and her baby on the way Beautiful. She looked amazing, absolutely stunning. She had

the mommy glow. All of that was amazing. However, Comma, was I the only person who noticed the faces of Olivia, Neurice and Verona go when I did see that. I did see that, But I wonder what if was that shady editing? Because you know, you can't always judge reaction shots in real time, so it could it could be that, but I caught I caught that too. I think I think this is this is my honest opinion about the whole thing coming into the show. I think there's a

lot of things that happen outside of the show. I think there might have been possible beef between the people that gave that look, maybe not all of them, a few of them, maybe the reson Olivia and Amber and I think when they came and they saw that this was the new trajectory of Amber's path. It's kind of like, Okay, wait a minute, do we talk about old shit that doesn't matter anymore or do we just like adjust to the fact that this woman is now pregnant and are

we even going to bring up so that's what? What kind of old stuff are you talking about? I don't know their own. I actually don't specifically know, but I did know. Come, oh you know Anisa. Okay, well then I don't really know anything. I'm going to tell you one thing. This is the vault, and I actually, um, I actually value some friendships that I've made, so I'm going to leave it up to them to tell their

ship because I also don't know what like verbatim. And it's also in the house where like I didn't walk in the house being friends with Olivia and Therese, and I ended up coming out with both of them as friends. Yeah, especially with like Olivia and I are like we talk every day almost So it's shit can change. You know, how you felt about somebody day one and how you feel about them now can change. But it does make With that statement, then, ladies, I'm going to ask you

a question. Then, if we're going to talk about things changing. And while we're on this topic, you know, the Twitter streets, Davon streets, and hood we're very talkative around you alls dynamic with or view of Amber, and we haven't all been on together to talk about that together or for you guys to kind of like say your piece in

that way. So I was just curious around. I don't know if you've seen some of the things that were just said or thought about whether or not there was beef, but I'm yeah, I'm just curious about your perception or if there's anything you want to share or anything that you felt when you found out the news at the

reunion that she was pregnant. I think it's interesting because what people don't see is that there's an entire season that is about to come out after the World Challenge about Amber's on, and so Amber and I got way closer on that season than we have so there, for me, there's been an evolution of friendship with me and her, and so kind of me now understanding the way she is and just deciding to be accepting of who she is and how she wants the world to see her.

That's kind of where I'm like, all right, whatever, I'm cool with her. So that's how I feel, Nini. I have no issues either, and I'm kind of in a not a tough spot. Her and I had like an hour long conversation before the reunion because we didn't hug or anything, and I felt like it felt weird and I had to sit down with her because she's like really really close with James, my best friend, and I know that she will probably be in my life regardless,

you know. And I don't think she's a bad person ever, I've never ever said that. I think she's really sweet. I think she's definitely misunderstood. I think that the challenge makes people really anxious and it could bring out different sides that you normally wouldn't, you know, you just don't always act like it's a very unatural environment. Yeah, So her and I talked for like an hour and I apologize for things and I was like, I think I need to show you more grace. I don't know why

I haven't. And it was a very honest conversation of just like me giving myself permission to be like very vulnerable in a conversation and owning up to like I guess building a wall over certain years, like where I can't let every single person in because it makes this game very hard, and it makes it hard to like nurture all of my friendships equally and lovingly. So I explained that to her. We got over that because one

thing about Amber, she's very forgiving, She's very understanding. And I love my best friend James more than anything's love my life, so like if he sees the light someone, I mean, I normally do too, and I think we know her in different spaces, and she has just been so awesome to him and him to her and Chauncey.

It just, you know, it kind of made me look at it differently, and she is who she's gonna be, So like Tori, you kind of have to or you choose to just accept them, because that's all I think anybody really wants. You make it so beautiful, Anissa, And isn't that true all of us though, like anyone in our lives who love us, because none of us are perfect.

She used to accept us, the good, the crazy, the idiosyncrasies, the whatever, however, and you know, the more you love them, the more you see it as like a beautiful thing. But everyone is making that choice, and that's really refreshing to hear from both of you, and I appreciate you guys for answering so honestly, and especially you and Nisa saying that, like you had that heart time accountability and yeah,

you were really accountable. That that means the world because I know we for the listeners who don't know, we don't pre plan these conversations or questions, so when they come up, it's sort of real time. And either one of you guys could have shied away from that, so and they didn't. They didn't. And much love to Chauncey and Amber. Yeah, and Baby Jane. Speaking of George Jordan, Yes, yes, different, dude.

Watching that segment back just makes me feel more right, like I'm not wrong and you can't tell me I'm wrong, and that's where I'm not like, and and watching me argue with Jordan, I'm like, this man does not know how to process his own emotions, Like that's the way I feel he's articulating himself in circles. And I feel like I was pretty direct about what I was talking about. Oh girl, you were direct? Lord, Yeah, I feel like I was. Yeah, I don't know, you guys, tell me

she's that apologize, naw I said, oh, I know. I was actually shocked to see this side of Tory a little bit like I've seen it when you guys were in the heat of the moment, like in the house for example, when it was there was this escalation happening and you could see it, but you kind of it seemed like a Tory going from like you know, a two to like a twelve eighty five, like pretty quickly. And I was like, oh, and you were like, let

me talk, I said. I was like, oh, oh, okay, okay, and like even though you were right and wanting to finish, it was just a new I clutched my proof. It was like, okay, say we both champs, you respect me, We both champs. Now you know what it was like Jordan and I and I try to be really level headed when I talked to anybody in any conversation in

this game, I try, I try, keyword try. But with Jordan, we have so much history and so many little moments where he was trying to be right over me in something, whether it was like driving to the supermarket or like, the baggage in our relationship exceeds everything. So in those moments when I have like the opportunity to be like, hah, motherfucker, I'm gonna do it because that fire still burns in my body. Y'all are definitely on fire in that in

that scene, but definitely on fire. But at least he apologized he did that part, which was nice, Like at least he acknowledged he was wrong. Uh, Tori was right and Jordan acknowledged that that's Tory was right. But where Jordan was wrong? What did you guys think about him saying and Anissa, I want you to sit this one out for a second. Oh, I'm okay with that about about him saying he didn't regret how he spoke to Anissa and that it was about yeah, okay, day, Yes,

what were your thoughts? Girl? Wait, well that was the whole question because I was mad at Anissa during this thing. I was a little bit. I was a little mad at Anisa during this while. But I'm we tend to ask her the full question first and then please because the full question is, Dave, how did you feel about Jordan's saying when Maria asked him, did he regret the way he spoke to Anissa at any point? Like, did he regret how he quote unquote encouraged her, and he said, no,

I don't regret it at all. I don't feel like I was braiding her. Davon, how did you feel? So this is where I have a problem. I've always been told people will only do to you what you allow them to. Now let me let me go, he talk, And I'm saying that to say. You were asked, Anissa, do you feel like he did anything or said anything wrong to you? And you answered and said, if I felt like he did, I would have said something. So

I don't feel like he did. And that's where I was pissed off with you, because I was like, girl, you don't feel like he said anything wrong to you. You basically sat there, and it broke my heart because I saw the tears in your eyes and knowing you and loving you the way I do now. It broke my heart because he basically told you, after X amount of years, you might as well pack it up and never come back. And you sat there and you ate

that and said nothing. And then when you have an opportunity to say something about it, you still sat there and said nothing. So that bothered me. So I was really nervous about the show coming out because my interviews were not the same as Jordan's. I said every single thing that I felt and they edited all of that out, which I was kind of grateful for because he never talked shit on me any interview he's ever done. He's

always kind about it. I will say this that I don't want to get emotional about it, but I don't want to. I have never I mean I have in my life. I crumbled beneath him and I cannot figure out. I mean, I know why whatever, but if you, if you are, this is the best place to do it with the three of us. Well, it was. He just would speak to me and I would freeze like a deer in headlights. I did not know what to do.

And you know, and watching me year after year, nobody's gonna talk to me like they're crazy, right, And I fell a part inside. I didn't know what I didn't know how to react. I didn't know what to do. I'm like, it's better just to stay silent because it's just gonna get worse. And that was really hard. That was like a really hard thing to get through. So when I watch it, like I re feel all of that shit. So I just sat there like it was just really, Yeah, why do you think that triggered you

in that way? Being someone who is so strong and you're right, who speaks her mind and is and I think that's something that's respected about you in the house and all these friendships that you speak about right where you've kind of earned your place in that way. What do you think it is about him or your dynamic that triggers you? Like, what do you think it's connected to? You know, I mean there's trauma in my life, there has been, so I think it's definitely like connected to that.

But it's also just like respectfully not wanting to lose I just didn't want to lose my cool and I wanted to be like this level headed person that's not going to freak out or like be overly emotional about this thing. Like we were already going through so much in that final I already felt like shit about like how I was doing, but then I was like, I'm still pushing through, and I he said so many things that like I was crying while we were doing the

tires and he's like, are you crying? And I'm like, yes, I fucking am. But it was just it was really hard for me. It was very triggering, and I felt like a frightened animal in a small cage. And Tory came over and I was just like, I don't know what to do, and it was just really hard. And yes, like Jordan's been very kind after and like whatever, but in that moment, it was I just I just crumbled. I don't know how to explain it. I don't I don't know. There are not many people that can affect

me like that, and it just I don't know. I mean, if somebody could have turned me inside out, it would have been a mess. It sucks to hear you say all this stuff because it's like it's so complicated, right, like you everything you're saying, I understand you. I have never I get it, and I think that you're so right, and I think that's like people need to take responsibility

for how they make other people feel. But I also and not but also, I just mean, and I also see the way Jordan takes so much time to understand when he's hurts somebody. It takes him after a blow up, we'll call it, it takes him, however, many hours for him to come calm down, come back to terms, have a nice little head of conversation with you. So a partnership with him ends up being dealing with that side

of him and then having him understand in time. It's so complicated and complex because obviously it's it's sitting here and it makes me feel like I'm painting and we're painting Jordan to be the bad guy, which in a sense, it's not an easy thing to feel like. I don't want to do that because I think that deep down he has a good heart and he tries. But at the same time, when you see something like this happening over and over again, you just hope that the person

really continues to work on that, because it's just it's constant. Yeah, and Anissa, I hope you know and tour you two just how dynamic you are, how wonderful you are that even having those moments, I think everyone has some trigger, whether they've identified it or not, where they too revert back to being the scared little boy or scared little girl or whatever else and not really knowing how to respond and processing that, and you being able to even speak about it now in a way that I'm sure

people listening can relate to only reaffirms your strength in

the long run, so it's certainly not a weakness. And I think it's a testament to this podcast that Davon, Tori and me feel so strongly if ever we see one doesn't mean we won't call you and your ship, but your family, we can do that, but feel so strongly when we feel someone is not showing you the love and respect that you yeah, that you deserve and so um yeah, just you you are, unto yourself, a badass and a strong woman and fearless and you know, like when you went back into that arena even after

your leg was hurting, which something else, you know, want to talk about just you being like no, and you not holding it against Nanni, like you recognizing what was needed for the game. Is just like now I feel emotional talking about it is just is just a testament to you but also really like inspirational in that way. Tor, What was it like watching that firsthand, seeing Anissa have to fight it out like that, knowing she was in pain, and also being friends with Nanni, Oh my god, that

was the worst. Like I was trying to be really careful about not rooting for either one of them too hard, but when you are watching your friends compete, who you want to win will always bubble out of your mouth no matter what, like the filter goes off when you're in the middle of competition. So I was definitely screaming for Annie some more, and you know, after you better.

I love Nannie too, but I really was. And the the shriek that came out of Anissa when she did that to her Nie in person like shot through my body, Like you know, it's like hearing somebody that you care about, you feel that pain immediately, not in my knee, but

in my body. I was like, oh my god. So it was, dude, just such a shit way to end, but also like so proud of her for, you know, putting up with it as long as she did, fought all the way to the very end, until until the legs, until the wheels rolled off, literally literally and even when they rolled off, she tried to attach him with some spho and stick him back on and keep going. Did okay, we gotta pay our bills. Yeah, so let's go take a quick break and we'll be right back after this. Anitsa.

You said on the reunion that you were willing because you had made it so far. You said something to the effective I was willing to risk it all at that point. Can you tell us a little bit more about what was running through your head and your feelings in that moment at the final It just got to that point where I'm like, Okay, we've made it this far.

This is something I don't want to do. I'm like, I've already injured myself, and I mean, I felt this after the first round and it was just like I felt it, but I'm like, I've never had a kny injury, so I didn't know. But when I fell on my own like going after her, I was like, oh shit, something's really wrong. And then I was like giving that ball because the one thing I wasn't going to do was going to quit, Like I would have had to collapse in order for them to get me out of

that final. And I knew that this was one step right before I could possibly win a million dollars. So I was like, even if I hurt myself, I'm still going to show up for the next elimination because I still would have done that elimination until I couldn't that final one, and even if it was me against Tory, like oh, my god, I couldn't think of like a better a better opponent, Like I would have been happy

either way. Like I knew that the person across me wanted it for themselves but wanted it for me to like it. It would have been the icing on the cake. But it just didn't. My body literally was like, you can't do anymore. And that was just so. It was a It was a hard pill to swallow, but I knew something was really wrong at that point. Okay, I got a hot question as always, Um, I wasn't a fan of her going after your injury. I wasn't. I wasn't a fan of that at all, especially as your friend.

I wasn't a fan of that at all. Some some random player that you've been beefing with all season. Okay, not that it's okay, but okay, but as your friend, so go after any injury. I wasn't a fan of that at all. So I do want to pose the question to the panel. All of this money is on the line, and my friend I'm going up against I'm taking your knees out, Davon, You're gonna go after my injury. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I haven't thought about

I'm not asleely taking your knees out. But here's here's my thought process, because I hear you and I do feel like i'd be which is why I was so touched by how a Nissa handle it, Like why I'd be hurt if I felt like my friend was coming after me. However it was they had laid it out in that particular elimination that unfortunately that was Nannie's only potential advantage because a Nissa has more like size and strength on her, so she was like trying to really

go through a niece. She's not gonna win that, Like, She's just not. If you if I had to put money on who it would be a Nissa in that way. But I feel like, and I'm not saying it's right, but I feel like, if you're talking for a million dollars and you're both signing up to compete, it's not like Anissa walked off into the field of the corn people and was like I'm done and Ranny Nanny just darted out and written a tackled Anissa. They were both there competing. I mean, Devin, if I am fully aware

that there is something wrong with your legs. No matter where I hit, you're gonna crumble anyway. So I'm gonna put you in a headlock, take you to the round, do something I'm not going to attention intention not even put die at your ankle. I'm not gonna gun can put Anissa in a headlock, though I don't think. I don't think. I don't. I just and it's not the job Nannie's strength. I just a Nissa's known as an

elimination queen for a reason. Like I now, would I maybe have before TJ blew the horn, been like Anissa, you know I love you right like you know we still, I'd love you like I would if Anissa pulled my weave, I wouldn't. I'd be like, I understand it's four million dollars. If Anissa was doing whatever she felt when we both signed up to continue to compete, and that thing, I don't know. I don't feel like it was necessarily a dirty play. Now she's doing something illegal, not fair. But

maybe I'm just not built like that. I don't know, y'all. I just I would figure out another way, like there's no way I can see And maybe that's just the mom in me, Like I can't see a person as wounded like that, and I'm seeing you struggle, and I'm like, that's where I'm going. I'm going right there, Like I feel like I think of it and I don't like feeling like the bad guy, and so I'm not gonna take on that feeling. I don't feel like it's she

like like, say, so was it her? Yeah, that's kind of how I feel like, Yeah, it was her only option, and maybe if it were me, I would have clearly gone it. Like I'm not as fast as naughty, So I'm like, Okay, well what do I have? Okay, well I have body on her, mass on her. So I'm just gonna try and walk her inside the circle with me. Every single time she knew where I was gonna go, Johnny was like hit or low and do whatever she had to do, whatever she had to do in that moment.

She isn't the reason for why I'm injured, you know what I mean? So I don't hold that against her. She had to do what she had to do, and you just kind of go into survival mode. Million dollars is a lot of money, and it's also when you've worked so hard for so many years. And you keep getting discredited. You just want to fucking win already by any means necessary. Maybe not like you know, murder or anything like that, but you know you gotta do so.

I honestly have no hard feelings. Nannie was my roommate the whole season, and we got to know each other and Casey on like a whole other level. I let her into my whole entire life, childhood and all, and we just had a whole different respect for each other. When Casey left, Nannie and I hung out all the time, like she was like my sister, So it for me. I knew how bad she wanted, I knew what she had been going through has gone through, And it's kind of like I was really happy with the people that

were in the final I wanted. I just I was grateful to compete against that, so like, you know, go ahead and kick ass and do what you gotta do. I'm just not mad. I do. I do respect the integrity of Davon's approach to it, though, I do respect that watching in the same situation and she go right, she's gonna go right for she's gonna go right. If it's somebody I don't like I'm probably gonna go like a little close to it, but I'm not, I'm not

just right, might just tap it exactly. Speaking of Wild injuries and Devon's untruths, I'm just kidding in both Wild injuries Olivia fighting through. So I already last week gave the Icon of the Season award to Olivia and Harassio because just a as rookies, they really showed up and showed out. And then be her just determination and tenacity to fight through breaking her face in five places Wild. And then we learn on this reunion that she was told that if it had gone, you know, slightly in

a different direction, she could have died. What was you all's reaction to that? Holy shit? When I saw her, I cried immediately because it was like injury to injury, even though hers looked way worse and just her like not being able to look up and like it was just you know, and I hadn't seen her, I know she went home yet, so I was in the hotel with her and she just it was just very emotional, like you never want to see your friends get hurt.

And we didn't know, like we knew something horrible happened. And when she explained that I have to consurgery. I broke all these bones watching it on TV. Whole other story. There's no storyteller in the world that could have made it more vivid than watching it on a screen. Yeah, and just how scared she must have been, and then how relieved she must be to know that it could

have been Yeah. Seriously, is the most the strongest person I've ever seen on the show, just for handling that with the way she did, and then after the fact, like excited to go back on another season, like mm hmmm. Yeah, I don't know what kind of people come from Alaska, but she Sarah Palin and her Oh no, that's that's awful. I just think that they should give us face shields next time, that's all, like, at least protect us. Yeah. Emer seemed to think her finger injury actually played a

role because she was holding it. She couldn't hold it, hold it. Yeah, the ball was falling out before she could even yeah, like I was holding mine like this, Yeah, but she couldn't. Even those who are listening and can't see it like dragon ball zee. Um, what do you guys think about harassio that moment? Man? We walked up after production. I had left it. He was just walking and I'm like, what happened? He was like, we're done,

And I hugged him. He was like we're done and he was just crying, and I'm like, come play with us. She could be on our team. Yeah, it just it just sucks because she knew how bad he wanted it. You know, how bad they fought for it. I mean it's not like they didn't have an easy season. No, not at all. But you know, I think that this isn't the last time we're going to see them, And I'm excited. I haven't been excited for rookies in a long time, but they just they just had it together.

Like they have they have like star quality. Olivia has some star She has made to be out there because she's so honest, so honest, and beautiful, so annoyingly beautiful. Um even with two black eyes. I'm like, bitch, get it. But yeah, yeah, I'm excited for them and to see what the future holds. Okay, we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere, y'all. We'll be right back after this. Do you think the future holds a lot for Mariah and Banana? If I'm the only delusional one

that thinks they're super cute together. Well, I like that as a thing like that. When she was on the podcast, I was over here like, oh wait. But then recently she posted on Instagram that she was very much so safe. Where did I miss this? Yeah, there was a post where she posted and said she was very much so single. When was that? Because I just saw her in Miami when we had a little event together. I'm going to plead the fifth. Is she throwing a social media streets

off my girl? And so hold on, Davon, really just be trolling everybody's social media. Your social media is not safe. Listeners just know that. Well we'll see. I'll go back and look at the days. Yes, but I know she definitely posted and said that she was single. I also think that they that's a question for the panel. I also think I have to plead the fifth. Oh boo. I think that honestly, they're going to be playing if they are in a relationship, they're going to be playing

it very quiet because Johnny obviously doesn't want to. He's had a a lot of public relationships and they have, and I think he's kind of like felt the heat from that and he's like, let's lay low, and I think that I think smart. The last time we talked to her three weeks ago, she was in love. So damn I'm making neck and face movements. Thank you so much for joining us on this episode. Past talk about episode two of the reunion. Man, this isn't the end

of it. It would be so good episode. Definitely not. No, we're just don't leave, stay right where you at. We're still talking. No, I just uh, it'll it'll be interesting to see. I don't. I look, I can't the same be marriage valuing the same thing and needs to said about valuing friendships and things that are shared. I do as well, and it'll just be interested with something shared between that, between that and um and uh doing what I do as a matchmaker and just analyzing it. It'll

just be interesting to see. I think it's no secret that challenge begun. Relationships are difficult to maintain, layers layers low. And we've already talked about that. Okay, we already talked about every time that y'all. I've never heard Devin say, uh, that's how I know. It's some tea brewin Like she don't get she doesn't stumble on her words for the later But I don't want to leave this episode without

acknowledging the segment with Nannie's mom about her mom. I don't want to leave this episode and not talk about that. So how do you guys feel about that? Because let me tell you, my eyes were sweating. Yeah, I felt like I was calling a rainstorm on that stage. Yeah,

there wasn't a dry eye in the room. And that it's just it's because Nannie doesn't really like she's tries to hide it and be so strong, and then these moments were like she just breaks down and you see the pain in that, and you see that she misses her and you see that she a big part of why she did this season was to make her proud. Yeah, so I think we all kind of like feel that, like we want to make our parents proud, and we

want to do these things. So I think that we see ourselves and that and we are this like dysfunctional family. So when one of us hurts, you know, we all kind of feel that. It really came full circle because Maria was the host of the last reunion and that's when Nannie got the news broken to her about her mom.

At the at the reunion. So it for us as like a challenged family, this Nannie experience is obviously held it held so heavy in our hearts, like, yeah, we saw the whole thing and have seen her go through her process of healing. And so she is a fighter, and I think you can hear it in her voice just as she tries to continue to get through and communicate how she feels like it's hard for her, but

she pushes through. And I think that she's incredible and it was a really hard thing for her, and I'm just happy that she came back to the show and gave it another girl. And yeah, like could you imagine I couldn't. That shows her strength becau y'all would never see me, Yeah, wouldn't because it's like the challenge the reunion of itself would have been a trigger, and then like going on the show would be a trigger of

like all of that emotion coming back. Yeah, And then they did a segment on it on the show, So it's just like yeah, and and and one thing I want to say about Bananas, not to make the moment about him or anything like that, but I got an opportunity to see friend Bananas this season, and I thought that was so dope to see the side of him. Yeah, I got an opportunity to see that side of him, and I thought it was so refreshing. I really enjoyed

Banana's this season. I thought it was really good to see his dynamic with her and just how far they've come and how he's really been her rock, this one of him, because Casey's her rock, but one of her rocks this season. I thought that was so beautiful to watch. Yeah, yeah, it was, And it was actually kind of hard to watch him feel to put so much onus on himself

about why they didn't win. I also think in a way it was like very gracious of him, you know, to sort of absorb that and say, look, I really want this for her, and I feel like the bonehead mistake was made on my part, like he kind of really owned all of that, which, yeah, we don't always get to see on the show, the sort of mature Bananas, but he's there. It exists, like and it was nice to see, but also just sad because you want it

for them. But I feel like this whole the final this season was hard anyway, because there were people you rooted for in every pairing like I'm happy Dave and Dave one and cried at that. I also wanted it for Nannie because she's been fighting so hard. I also wanted it for Anissa, like I intentially didn't say Jordan. I also wanted it for Olivia Harassio, which we never really root for the rookies, but they fought so hard to get there. So it was both great but also

challenging because it really was a great team. You know, collect your final grouping. UM, but well done, ladies, Like just well done. I'm excited to see some I saw some more yelling coming up, it seems in the next week's episodes. I'm curious, what do you what? What are some things that you know we're talked about in next week's episode and next week's um Nope reunion? Um that high Chickens? Can we talk about that high chicken? Chickens? High chickens. My job was on the floor. My job

was on the floor. I wasn't ready. Now I'm like, some shits about to go down, And it was like, hello, pussy chicken, you thought you could leave me out of this, and then it's like a whole I can't wait for you guys to see what that segment is, because that had me just indescribable. Honestly, that's what that was. I mean, does he get more airtime at least in the next episode he did in the show? You know, I think he might. I think he's got a segment good for Yeah, good, Yeah,

I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm so glad. The four of us are bad. Yeah, back back energy is good. And you can't skip out on a question here the account of Are there are no daggers or people? There are no daggers? Oh god? Wait? Wait, so I have to ask is Jay uh sincere photographer for the people or is he to create for himself? I don't I actually want to see it, like, I want to look it up. I don't know. Is he a photographer? Does he have a site? He has an iPhone? I wanted to take

pictures of you. This is for you. Yeah, that was weird. That actually that was very weird. I have no more questions. Especially I wouldn't take pictures of you at the gym like for you. It just sounds creepy. Does that not sound creepy? Like it just sounds And I love Jay, I promise I love Jay, but I'm on jack side with this. I think he wanted to take photos for social media and Jay, it just it didn't sound right like you want to take be his photographer for what

was he gonna pay you? What was happening here? It was weird? Yeah, it was weird. Um well, ladies, that was fun. I can't wait till we dive in again next week. But in the meantime, for those who want to dive into your pool of socials, yes, that was intended to sound weird. Where can they find you? Starting with you, Anissa? Oh my social pool Snissa MTV on Instagram. It's a on E s a MTV. I almost posted something on Twitter the other day about Uber and Lyft

drivers and the smells of their car. I know they smell them change it up, but I didn't post anything. I'm leaving that up to Davon and Davon. Where can they find you? At home? Child? Find me at the house, or you can find me on Instagram at Davon Diane Underscore, Twitter at Day Davon Underscore, and starting in March, don't start with me, Devin. I know it suppos to be February, but listen, you know, like History month, I got things to do, uh starting in March. You can find me

on YouTube we find you. You guys can find me at Toriya Underscore deal on Instagram, but you could also find me on the New World Championships that's coming up on March eighth. That's released, so yes, make sure to make sure you guys latch up on paramount plasts. I'm sure we'll be discussing it here anyway, so it's going to be exciting. And Devin, where can we find you? You guys can find me on my website Devin smone dot com at seven with a why Simone and I

you can also find me you guys. I posted a TikTok. Not only that post TikTok, I got my original TikTok name back, which brings me so much joy. No longer Devin Underscore Simone. It is as it should be, which is just Devin Simone. So go find me on TikTok haart those videos or something, and you can also find me on Instagram. I've been reading your dms. Appreciate you guys and your commentary. I know, okay, I said, I just wait and this go follow me on TikTok to everybody,

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