Hello everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I am d Von Rogers and this is MTV's official challenge podcast.
Baby Oh what an episode, let me tell you. So let's get into this day or should we stay nightly challenge? Okay, this was one for the buss.
Oh my goodness. So in this challenge, it is called.
The Banquet of Champions, and the winners happen to be Corey, James, Colleen, and Mariah. Shout out to them for taking down that food and them drinks because Baby couldn't have been me.
So the winners decided that they're gonna vote in Raven Oh.
And then the House decides to vote in Zara Zaza or did the house vote there?
I'm Tzara voted in Zorro.
Okay, yes.
So then we get out here to this elimination and Laurel.
Oh, then Laurel comes out. I was so excited to see Laurel. She comes out as a mercenary and Baby is.
Out for blood.
She wants Michelle and we already know how that played out because HERR and Michelle had some weird situation going on. Okay, and obviously it's still not over. However, during the draw Laurel pulls Raven's name. Oh and in this elimination it's Laurel versus Raven. Raven comes out with the win. Raven now has a win of Laurel under her belt. Did you see that coming, Devin for Society winner Raven loser Laurel.
I really didn't expect to see that. But I also it was an interesting elimination game, right, But I know Laurel is like the executioner sort of when it comes to elimination, so I wouldn't have wanted to go up against her. I was really happy for Raven.
Yeah, yeah, I was so excited for her, Like wow, Like, not only did these people throw you out there like that, but you beat the person that Michelle is afraid of.
Right now, that, in my opinion, the circle of life.
Okay, if you take out the person that the head of the snake is afraid of, maybe I think that make you the queen of the I'm a little bit in my opinion, no kind.
I mean, maybe I will say this. I have beat Laurel in an individual challenge I mean not to tuge horns and okay it was trivia, but it doesn't matter because I still won all right, Yeah, I think it's it's I hope that that Raven is strutting back into the house like an overconfident rooster, just knowing like what she accomplished, because that's big on its own, but also knowing that sort of the godfather of this season of the Challenge is terrified of the person that you just beat.
So big props to Raven on that one. And it was gracious how Laurel handled it. I love when we get to see inklings of laurel sweet side. Now we saw her crazy side when they did that montage and showed that face she was making. That was god awful. But I love when we get to see some sweet moments of Laurel. I've had the pleasure of, you know, having done challenges with her, having done Final with her, gotten to see that, and so it's just all nice. And I think it meant a lot to Raven. It
looked like it meant a lot to Raven. It did, Yeah, it did, it did.
It made her so happy because Laura is someone who she looks up to, and so you know, to take out somebody who you really look up to, that has to be big for you.
And to have that person say that they are.
Proud of you. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, that's huge, Davon, I'm proud of you. Oh my god, I'm proud of you. Also shout out to your daughter and her spelling beat.
Wow.
By the way, I just Cayden Seel very proud of you. Your Challenge podcast family is very proud of you over here. Now, some people that were not proud of are the people that are going to be in the Time Out. I do want to hear your Time Out nominees. Before we get to that. I just have to say TJ. When he does his brushed back hair with a little bit of scruff, it makes it's giving Benjamin Button vibes, like it's making him age backwards in the best way. And
then when he had on that cream mixed meat shacket. Now, if you don't know what a shack it is, it's when it's like part shirt park jacket and he was wearing it kind of like a jacket because he had a shirt on underneath it that was you know, and he had it open, so was the shacket. It just was like, yes, TJ, Yes, sir, you look like you know you're twenty five, Okay, maybe thirty, but still it's great, just a great look. How to give him a shout
out for that? Okay, So now day, who are your nominees for this week's time out of the week?
I don't uh, just one okay, and it's Bernard for being a hater.
Okay, wait, okay, I'm sorry. I am sorry. You weren't do the same thing day they came in.
Let me tell you, I've been in that situation, and what I did was I politely got my little blanket and I went and slept on the couch, like which I got going on in the jaw business. Let me go and go sleep on the couch where I can give you some sound sleep. I don't want to hear y'all too.
I mean, but couldn't they do it on the I know back in my day, shout out to Nanny and Johnny Riley. They did it on the couch outside of the bedroom so that nobody else had to hear. They left their underwear there, which is how we found out it happened. But still, like they didn't do it in the bedroom. You don't think they own the couch?
Ill? Yeah, it was.
It was on this like the little ottoman thing that was in this weird corner of the house. It wasn't like the main couch. It was like this little cuddle couch.
I don't know, but yeah, yeah.
I know.
We love you not and shout out to Casey, we love you too. I mean it's on TV. You can go watch it available on Paramount Plus. Okay, my nominees for the Time Out of the Week. I actually have a lot of nominees for for gold Stars, but my nominee for Time Out of the Week Michelle being scared of the ghost of Laurels past. Like, I understand being intimidated, but the level of fear, how are you gonna be
big and bad? Alsie like? And she also did kind of what she did that time Corey won earlier in the season where she made the elimination all about herself when it wasn't even about her. Yeah, that was just I don't know, I feel like that was kind of annoying. My other time out Now are the people that were
hooking up in the bedrooms? That house is big. Go find a corner somewhere, go to the back, be respectable, and go to the bathroom like our girl Tory did when she was dating and Manuel right, there are all places that you can go. You don't need to do it in the bedroom. No one wants to hear those noises unless you subscribe to you know, certain networks or
channels or something. So I would say that they're nominated and then my other time out, although really it's really just funny, but my nominee for Timeout is Raven and her terrible trivia answers. She said it with so much confidence. She each time just so much confidence and was so wrong on each one. But ultimately the winner of My
Time of this week is going to be Michell. Michelle being scared of the ghosts of Laurels past, Like if you at the very least keep it to yourself and continue to pretend to act big in bad, don't pee your pants in front of everyone like that just was You're also showing your cards, right, which is I mean heavy? Yeah? Yeah? If I was scared of you before, I'm now looking at you with the side eye because.
Of don't make me call Laurel.
Right.
Speaking of sideye, though, the side eye she gave Corey you guys go back, and she gave Nada booby and she just turned around it was priceless. Somebody make that a gift please, because it's very funny. That was arguing, embarrassing me and public. Yes, it was so it was so good. She almost gets a gold Star to make up for her time just for that facial expression. That was so good. All right, Who are your nominees for gold Star this week? Oh?
The winners of the day, Well, the Nightly I got Mariah, Colleen, James, and Corey for the way that they took that food down. Specifically Colleen for the way she drank that oil and hot whatever it was.
I mean, she should took it down. Manuel, I feel like, yes, I agree, They're on my my nominees list. So my nominees for uh gold Star would be u Zaza and the way she nominated herself in and the way she even took when she heard that she was a possible contender. I actually really liked her approach. Couldn't be me, but I like that she was so positive about it, and I feel like seeing more of that is just refreshing and nice. Also, the winning team and the way they
got it done, like they worked well together. Good job. Another nominees actually James, specifically because James was the one saying, pink your nose. Day. I don't know if you know this, but did you know that, realistically our taste foods can only taste five flavors? Did you know know? I didn't know that, So it's salty. I'm gonna get some of them wrong, but basically it's bitter, sour, salty, sweet, and umami is another one, and so everything else is actually
our sense of smell that's affecting what we taste. So it really is beneficial if you plug your nose, because it's gonna help mask some of the grossness of whatever you're putting in your mouth. So I'm gonna have to give my gold star to James. Good on your James, And he got his team over the finish line, so good on you, sir. There we go James, who said he did it for his challenge WiFi.
I know.
You guys, we literally watched these episodes together, and yet we have a side chat going on where we text each other through the episode, and Day was texting, oh challenge wife, which was yes, very funny, and you know what, actually, I'm glad at least I feel like that's the most acknowledgment He's really given Mariah all season and for how much she rides for him. I am happy to at least see him show some acknowledgment for like the way
that she yeah like, hopefully he's doing more of that. Yeah, all right, So, speaking of more, we're gonna do some more talking and give you some more insight because we have our girl, Raven on aka Dory according to some We're gonna talk about where that nickname originated. We're gonna talk about what she wished she would have said, she comes in hot things, she wished she would have said, where she stands with certain challengers, Now, how it feels
to beat Queen Laurel. You are not gonna want to miss this interview, So grab some snacks and okay, well actually after this episode, maybe don't, maybe don't eat anything at all, but definitely get some water and stay tuned because we have a great interview with Raven coming up right after this. All right, please help us welcome our very special guests and one of just three people who have beat Laural apparently Raven Rochelle. Hey, Raven, how are you?
Hey? Guys, I'm amazing. Honestly, after watching all of that, I'm super emotional. Right now. But I feel great. How are you guys good?
What are you emotional about?
Yeah? Just you know everything how it played out, Things that I should have done differently, just like the way that the game is going.
For me, and you know, just like how I'm seeing it.
All, it's just just a lot. It's overwhelming.
Well, let's talk about it a little bit. Yeah, what would you have done differently?
Well, I definitely would have said more of my peace at that, Like what like for James to say that he sorry, were just like jumping right into the episode?
No, no, no, no no.
I guess that's the main thing that just like bothers me because he if I heard him correctly, he said that he thought that I would say his name, which is like so fucking unbelievable. I just can't even like, I want to know where he would think that I would say his name, because at that time, Mariah was my number one and I would never do that to her. So it just blows my mind that he would even think.
And I've never said his name before, even when his ass was on the chopping block, I never said his name, So I'm like, bruh, where the fuck did that come from?
How did I think he become your number one? Because I know that her number one was Michelle. Yeah, did that work?
Coming from Ce's thirty eight, she was the only one that I really stayed in touch with, not very often, but coming from season thirty eight, she was the one that was most willing to talk to me. She was the one most willing to want to work with me. And right before we went on thirty nine, she we were texting a little bit back and forth and I told her how I wanted to align with her being from thirty eight.
She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was like, I'm already with Olivia and Theresa Michelle, but like let me talk to them and see if
they would be cool working together too. So she kind of like vowed for me to be in this little fucking chick club or whatever, and I'm like, okay, cool, So like all and she had told me that all the girls were like, yeah, we'll work with you, and so that's how we all kind of clicked up because it was really through her and coming into the show, she was the only one that I really felt like had good will towards me and that I felt like
I could trust compared to all the other females. So I was like, okay, girl, well you'll just be my number one for that reason.
Okay, we watched it.
Yeah, you and Maurie start to develop a friendship, which is really crazy coming off.
Right or dies? How did the transition happen?
How did you guys get close?
Well, we started to get closer because she's originally well originally I forced my way into moving into their room when I eliminated Hugh Huey because I wanted to stay in the mix, you know what I'm.
Saying, and in like smart move right, and everyone was like slowly getting eliminated from my room. And then on top of like Berna she was like sick the first half of the season.
I'm like, I gotta get it out of here.
So now she trying to get away from Burner.
I was trying to escape that little prison wall thing. So I ended up forcing my way into their room and it was so funny because they Loki didn't want me in there, but I just like ignored that, and.
So as I'm in their room though, we just.
Kind of start getting closer because she ends up confiding in me about she doesn't really feel like Olivia is supporting her and Horasio's relationship as much as she would like or as much as she feels that she should be. And so she just started talking to me more about that because I was super supportive of it. You know, I could see how happy Nourice was and I didn't have anything like against Harassios. I'm like, girl, I'm here for if it makes you happy, Like yes, And.
Did it look like Olivia was being supportive to you, like from an outsider, did you feel like Olivia was equally supportive or do you feel like you kind of saw what Nourice was saying about the lack of support.
Yeah, So when Nourice would bring up situations that she would have with Harassio that would make her really happy and like super.
Estatic, you know me, Zaza like the other girls.
I'm not really quite sure about Michelle, but we would be like super happy for her, and it would come off like Olivia always had some negative aspect to bring to attention to Nourice, Like it was always something that know, oh, but you got to watch out for this, or you know, he's not really into he's not into dating right now?
Are you sure like you shouldn't be falling in love or.
You know, she was always telling her to be careful or you shouldn't do this, or you know, stop trying to feel this way towards him and it, and it did start to come off very like negative anytime she was super happy about expressing it, and she would just like kind of tell me about it on the side. And then like after she told me that, I started peeping it more and I was like, yeah, yeah.
Do you think there's a world where Olivia may have some deep, deep hidden feelings for.
Asia is not saying no, by the way, Well, I'm just I'm trying to figure out, Yeah, why would she be so against Nourice and Herassio getting together?
Why wouldn't she be super happy for them. I think Olivia knows Harassio and I, but I also think Olivia doesn't know Harasio when he really likes someone. I feel like there's just, yeah, I just feel like Olivia might not know that other side of Rassio and she just
kind of sees him as one way. And then maybe with Maurice, I know Olivia knows Nourise, and we all thought it was crazy because they were polar offices and everybody in the house was like, this doesn't make sense, Like, you know, they don't go together at all, Like you know, Narice's party girl crazy, Horassio is all about business and
we're like, we just don't see it. But when they started talking about their feelings, and I never talked to Harassio about it, but I could just see it from Nourse, I'm like, okay, maybe it could work, you know, opites dou Jack.
So yeah, I wonder if part of it has to do because we the reason why we're asking too is we had Nouris on the pod and also in the teasers that have been shown for like upcoming episodes, it feels like there is a few brewing right or like some sort of disconnect, which is crazy to see given
that and Hoirasio were literally right or dies right. So, and in this episode we hear Olivia speak out about it for the first time, sort of where she's talking about we don't even really talk in the house anymore, and you know we're not talking game am I I feel like I'm covering for you, but like I care
about me. So I wonder if there's any sort of trepidation on her part just around feeling like probably understandably the person she thinks is going to be her strongest ally right into this house, right she's feeling super distant from and maybe she's annoyed by that or concerned or whatever. Do you think that could be a piece of it.
Totally, totally, totally, totally.
I think it doesn't even have anything to do with Maurice. Also, I think it probably has to do more with animosity towards Hirasio. She you know, like it's kind of like it is kind of like similar to my season on thirty eight, Like I fucking hated Johnny so bad that I just hated Nurie, even though honestly, Nuris is kind of innocent because we didn't know each other.
She didn't owe right and she didn't owe me any loyalty.
And that's exactly why I decided to not have any problems with her, Especially.
When I got over Johnny.
I took a step back, and I'm like, I'm like, it's really this man that I got a problem with that makes not cool with you or not really like see not really see your guys' relationship blossoming, because Johnny's a bitch, you know, And I think that's where a lot of it's coming from with Olivia as well.
Speaking of drama over a man, can we talk about Okay? If his tweets need to be set on fire showed us his perspective. But I will say in one of his tweets he acknowledges he basically says everybody else was coming on to him and that they just couldn't help themselves. I'm paraphrasing, but basically, and that in that he didn't even really fully enjoy it, except for he enjoyed getting to know and talking to you. You have you seen that tweet?
I have?
Why are you so?
Because it's just I think it's really I'm I feel appreciated that he saw that and he distinguished distinguished.
Oh my god, this thing wished.
Yes, yeah, distinguished.
I'm like say that ten times. That doesn't mean to sound like the words anyway. Yeah, I'm just I feel I'm just happy that he noticed that I was not coming on to him, because, honestly, truly, in the house, I did not care to get close to any guy, like especially even even Kieran. I was very very stubborn with. But then I started to let my guard down, and I'll see what happens a'll let my guard down. Oh God.
So I'm like, I'm like, I'm not gonna come after Manuel because I just like, no, you know, my head is in the game, and like he's working with people that I'm not sure if I can trust. So our encounters were very just random and authentic and it didn't really ever seem forced. I didn't want anything from him. He didn't come off like he wanted anything from me. We just were building a real friendship.
I'm cuddling friendship. Because we saw that nighttime. Yeah, I cam footage. He had you on one arm and then Olivia and the other. It was very much Giving Sister Wive season one when they were all still happy. What was that like? What yeah, yeah, no, no nights right.
I can't even lie like that whole night when I was laying down, I was holding my breath. Y'all saw that, like I was sleep. We fell asleep out there. I was not really sleep. I had so much anxiety. I'm like, I can't do this, like knowing there's a camera up there and I'm like, Olivi's right here, and I know they probably fucked around before. I'm like, this is awkward.
I'm like, this is not for you know, he had a girlfriend?
I heard, Yeah, I heard he did.
Yeah, even when you gosline, what is with these girls in the house not caring about their being What happened to girl?
No, so let me let me, let me take a step back, because now that.
I am getting wiser, I would say this season has honestly already taught me so much about myself and so much that I only want to receive, so I need to return. Honestly, if the main reason why I feel like I did not care that he did or didn't have a girlfriend is because part of me wasn't really into him like that, you know what.
I'm saying, Like, yeah, I figured it wasn't going to go anywhere. You were like, I'm actual, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Like I didn't really feel like nothing, like anything serious is that happened?
So I really didn't care.
And and already he had already been doing what he was doing. I'm like, so it's not even on me at this point. You are your own person.
Did you in the house?
So we apparently did. No, we apparently did, but.
Apparently no, I don't remember.
I was blacked out drunk, and I don't know if they're going to show it. I really wish that they, Like I hope they do.
But wait, why do you hope they do show it?
Well, I don't know because I kind of want to see it because I don't remember.
Not she wanted to be a boyur of your awn makeouts? Okay, you know what I know having it now you wait, did he make out with Olivia at some point in the house.
I'm maybe I never saw it. Olivia never talked about it. She was very hush hushed, like she talked about it briefly, but then when she had brought it up, like that was it. And what's crazy is so we had all went out to like a beach club, and apparently this was the first night, the first day that I was able to drink dark liquor and I had nothing on my stomach, so.
I was lit.
I really did like black out when we got back to the house, and apparently we like kissed when we got off the bus, But I on on.
My life, I do not remember that right.
So a few days later, I'm like, I'm like, you know, I'm like, so, Olivia, what's up with like you Andi? Manuel? You know, like, how's that going like what's going on? She was like, she was like, Oh, we're not talking ever since you guys kissed, And I was like, wait, when the fuck did We can't.
Wait now, Olivia had to be the one to tell you that you kissed Manuel. You didn't even remember.
That's what I'm saying.
Nobody fucking told me anything, like honestly, this whole shindig of girls on this season. I'm just like, I should have just rowed hard on my intuition and I should have just like said to fuck all you bitches from the jump, you know what I'm saying.
Really, wait, okay, what for all the women you're saying that you should have? Yeah? You really? Why? Why what is that bringing up that you made out with him Manuel?
What makes Because they didn't they didn't really have my back, didn't even really want me in the alliance to begin with, you know what I'm saying, Like, they didn't. They didn't care for me, And it's fair, Like it is fair because coming from thirty eight, I didn't. I didn't talk to any of them when I got eliminated, I didn't at all. I was there for like a week and
a half, two weeks before I went home. I didn't build no type of relationship with them, so I already did feel like an outsider coming in.
But it also took me halfway through the season to realize my power and to realize how strong I am. And I'm like, these bitches should want to work with me.
Yeah, they should want to work with me. And I was just I was just afraid of their social power. And I'm you know, I was a coward like throughout the whole thing, Like I can't even lie, man, I wish Melissa was still here.
I wish why what would you have done? Oh?
Oh, I would have done what I should have done. I would have teamed up with Melissa and Big Tea and Kylin and her, and I would have took out the core of the alliance, which was Michelle.
You guys really could have it seeing you guys sort of fight with one another, because it's like, yeah, you guys could have all banded together for sure. I was just amazing our moves. And this episode, it's actually interesting hearing Jay point that out, where Jay sort of says, you know, hey, my alliance is a good social one, but this new alliance is a great physical one, you know, and actually.
Well, and so this is this is what like fucked me over is because I am a good person.
I don't come from another TV show. I just play.
I do play the game with my heart to an extent. But I also cannot play like a shady game. If you know, you're gonna know if I like you or if I don't. And it didn't. Kyland had asked me to work with him before I even went into elimination, and I told him, I said, I said, yeah, like it sounds like a good idea, but I can't go against the girls until they do me dirty. He's like, well,
why would you wait until they do you dirty? I'm like, because I'm not two faced, Like I can't sit here and act like buddy buddy and we're all cool, and I'm not going to say your name but behind closed doors, because god forbid. If I do win, then you know, I'm gonna look like a horrible person because I've been acting like I'm not going to say their name, and then I just do know I would just I told Colin. I was like, I'm gonna wait until they give me a reason to say their names, even.
That you're at the bottom of their list.
Yeah, man, that's just fucking stupid, just fucking stupid.
I just, honestly, and I think a part of me just wanted to be liked by them. Seriously, I just wanted to feel accepted.
We really did it that this season, it feels like, and what's really interesting in this dynamic And obviously we're only watchers, and we only get to see so much, you know, like so much happens that we don't get to see. But it's interesting because a part of me is, like, so many of you guys are cool on your own anyway, Like why do you want to be a part of that group? Like why do you want to be a part of someone who pees their pants when Laurel appears?
Like why they want to be chosen somebody that you?
Honestly, I did.
I did see Michelle as a thread because I know how strong she is with puzzles, and I also know that.
You cannot just be physically strong.
Being physically strong is only going to get so far in the game that really it is a mind game, and I am I was very afraid of Michelle in that sense. I know she is very intelligent, and I know that if she made it to a final, she probably could win because she is. All you got to do in like a physical elimination or challenge is just push yourself, and she can push herself.
She's you know, I was afraid of Michelle.
I really was. And then you know that just came from like a lack of my own awareness in my capabilities, because I'm just as smart I am as far as like math puzzles, I really am, but it's never been put to the test, So I just always had that doubt.
Do you think that she's as strong without numbers? Like could she do all of this on her own?
Do you think?
I don't think so.
So at no point, no one thought, you know what, let's try to take out her.
People and get her alone.
That was on my list after this elimination.
That was on my list for sure. Me and Za like, I wish that it happened sooner.
You know, I love.
Seeing you and Za tim up. Hey, all right, you know we got to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this.
Okay, you ready, because I'm ready, So let's go ahead and get back to the show.
Coming back into the house, and I know we're going all over the place with this episode because there's I'm so glad we have you on. There's so many questions, but did you now have a little bit of extra pepping your step knowing that you beat the person that Michelle was so terrified of.
Oh yeah, Honestly, after this, like I said in one of my confessionals, I was like, all that's are off. I was like, I waited for this moment for y'all bitches to say my name. I was like, I don't give a fuck who goes in. And you know, part of me like doesn't regret trying to get Melissa and Big Ta out because that just stalled some time for me to stay in the game instead of constantly like teaming up with them and always being like at risk.
Their social is terrible. So that Booz, Big Tea and Melissa we've talked about it on the Pot and I love them, but good god, they're every time they were going try and politic when they knew their names were coming up, it was just aw its worse, so bad.
Well, and they also didn't show like they were stirring up so much drama that was dividing them even more. And oh really yeah, and Melissa like she did it just it really hurt me because Melissa was being a really good friend to me at first, like when all of the girls she knew were talking shit about me.
Like one of the nights, I.
Had to wear flats because my luggage was late getting in and I didn't have the heels, and I was wearing flats to the club, and apparently all the girls were like talking shit about me wearing flats to the fucking club. So she she.
Yes, this is what she said. She said third grade, right, she said, like all the.
Girls were talking shit about me wearing flats or some shit, and then so she she gave me a pair of her heels to wear. That's Melissa did. Melissa did.
And I was just like, man like, damn, Like, damn, have.
You talked to either of them since I've.
Talked to Big Tea but not Melissa.
But now that you're getting it out, because I hear a little bit of pain in your voice when we talk about how she was there for you and how you appreciated that in the beginning, and like sometimes friendships have eff ups, especially when you're competing for a bunch of money and you're living in a house with a bunch of crazies, and so do you think that it would ever be worth even attempting to have a conversation.
Yeah, no, I you know, at the end of the day, like her throwing the drink in my face, it was simply out of frustration, like with what she was going through.
I get that.
You know, I was in the same vote. I didn't handle it like she did, but I get where she was coming from. And I shouldn't have took it personal. I really shouldn't have. And if I wouldn't have took it personal, things would have went a different way. But you know, you live and you learn. All I know is the seasons moving forward, the world will see a different Raven, that's for sure, because I'm not afraid anymore.
And I don't give a fuck if you like me or not. Like now, I'm to the point where I just don't care.
Back when you did care, were you more mad at James or Corey for voting you in? James?
Why?
Wait?
Why are you laughing? Are you laughing? I think she's laughing at my transition, my segue. But yeah, did you confront James afterwards about it? Because he seemed to get real snippy about it. Did you you have a conversation. After that, I went off on this man. I went off, I said, dude. I was like, you don't have own your own voice. I was like, then you're gonna get far because you don't say like I could. Even when they were deliberating.
I was behind the group and I just saw James like shrugging his shoulders a lot, lifting his head kind of like to the side. I could just tell by his body language like he wasn't really having a guy yeah, And I said, and I said, I knew Corey Colleen aren't gonna say Bernard.
They're off the chopping block.
James is not gonna want to say Zaza, and Mariah is not going to want to say Zaza because.
James doesn't want to say James doesn't want to say Zaza.
So I'm like, I know that only leaves me and then but it's so crazy. Olivia was like, I'm surprised he didn't say me because I said James's name, like we said James's name at the beginning, and I'm like, yeah, I never said your name, dude. I was like, I'm like, you are a bitch. And I was like, if you don't start making If you don't start having your own voice with what you want to do, you can't. But
I see now that he was just trying to protect Zaza. Yeah, and that's why I was also like, dude, we're gonna go in like you could try all you want. You know, it's slim pickens. And honestly, later on in the season, it's like it's gonna get even real. You know, it's just not starting to get nitty gritty.
You's a deal with this you and Corey situation. What was that about?
Well, it was just we were working together, like when we would have challenges and we would win. But my my only issue with him was he was constantly protecting Berna, and I'm just like, dude, whatever, like all right, like I can't work with you because you want to you're gonna pick Berna over me, and you gotta go because I don't fuck with Berna.
Well, somebody's got to protect the hall monitor a girl, because I mean, though, look, I can't falter. I'm gone. If I'm trying to go to sleep and I just hear some smacking, I would be annoyed to, like I don't know, yeah.
But like interrupting me and Manuel. I was like, all right, girl, you are reaching.
Wait but what were you and a Manuel doing?
Raven nothing?
I mean, she couldn't interrupt if there was nothing happening.
We were just talking. We were just talking in the hallway and he was like a leaning over me, like you know, he had his arm above me and he was like leaning in towards me kind of thing. And we were just talking.
So you talk about him, you smile? What what what's up?
Yo?
Every single time you talk about this man, you smell you like him?
I'm like, yeah, you like him?
No, I don't like him.
I need to see it. Do you love him? And it's still talking? When was the last time you talked to you? Manuel?
So we just chat over social media?
But we we really are just cool, like for real, real, like we're just cool. And it's just it makes me smile because nothing ever went that far, and I feel like we worked well together. So it was just it was nice to have like that energy because I was so tired of the game. So just to like have someone to laugh with and like be cool with it was it was cool. It was nice to have.
So you liked. Canoodling with him is basically what I'm hearing that's that's how did you kneel when you found out about your team for this week? So when TJ was like, it's going to be Jay Asaf Olivia and you were you excited about that? Did you feel like you guys had a really good chance to pull out a win?
Or I was honestly not super ecstatic working with Ja because I felt like he was not really trying to work with me, and I kind of had a feeling I was like, this man might try to throw this challenge just so I can lose.
I really interesting. Yeah it was that bad?
Okay, Yeah, I felt like he was good. I felt like you could try.
To throw the challenge.
And then Olivia, I'm gonna be honest, like she wasn't even in the gym, like the whole time we were there. It wasn't even until like halfway through the season. I saw her ass finally get on a treadmill and I was like, I already know we picking up some heavy shade. I'm like she might gas out and maybe.
She was practicing trivia.
Yeah, I know I should have practiced trivia.
Girl Raven Oh Raven who has Cristiano Ronaldo or Kylie Jenner, Yo, I.
Never Christiano who I said? I said, who's Christina?
That's what I said? She has almost double Uh.
Was like check check, I know right, absolutely, Lloyd, I don't watch soccer. I had no idea who. That was not a clue.
You are hilarious. Okay, So I have a quick trivia question for you. Just see her. Which direction does this sunrise? Easter?
This?
I actually know, I actually know east.
Good job?
Yes, what is the capital city of France? Luxembourg or Paris?
Paris?
It took you too long to answer that, but is that right? Yeah? Yeah?
Right?
In what country would you find the Great Wall? China? Russia?
Job?
What are your thoughts about them calling you Dory? By the way, because we've heard.
More, No man James started that fucking ship because like his ass would be speaking with his deep ass accent and I'd be like, what are you saying and He's like do you need me to repeat it? And I'm like, yeah, I'm motherfucker because your fucking accent is hard to understand. And then to be fair, I listen, Yeah it did. It did. Like I didn't let it get under my skin, but if I wanted to, it could have you know what I'm saying, because it's like, y'all think I'm stupid,
but really I just like to play stupid. I really do like and to be fair, I do be saying shit sometimes not thinking about other people, and it just comes off very like just inconsiderate and sensitive.
Look, Dory was cute on the movie, so you know, hey, I think they're the worst things to be called.
Listen, Nemo would have never been found if it wasn't for Dory. So y'all can kiss my ass.
And Dory is a fighter. Just keep swimming right, just literally like maybe you are Dory, but for other reasons that you're the fighter. You're like, yay, there you go.
I might get Dory tatted on me.
I can't even lie.
Oh god, we didn't take it that far, you know. I make tattoo pins now that you're better temporary start that, sir.
No, I really might because I have like a garden on my ankle with like butterflies and flowers.
So maybe baby fish don't go in the garden, you know.
What, They go around water then like a little lake garden water.
Okay, you know what.
Okay, let's talk about what you had to eat, where came from?
Where came from?
I didn't want to say it, but this is what I was thinking. What was it like when you saw all the things that you were gonna have to eat? Were you instantly intimidated? Were you feeling like, nah, I can do this?
Well? Yeah, I wasn't too worried because I'm vegetarian, so I said, listen, I'm gonna take the vegetarian option. I don't have to think twice about it. And then when that came about, I was like, oh, was it spicy?
Was it bad?
I can't even do tabasco, like I don't do hot sauce.
Yeah, I don't do hot sauce.
So yeah, that ship was brutal. It was like ghost peppers or something. I don't know what was.
Worse, the heat or the oil, because you guys.
Are drinking oil.
The heat for sure.
Wait, day, you've never had a chili oil. Chili oil on pizza is fire. No, I'm serious, poor little chili oil. The two keys on pizza either chili oil if you can handle the heat, or Mike's hot honey. It wasn't.
Yeah, the oil wasn't the worst part.
But as soon as that I know.
Colleen and Michelle's stomachs were fucked up, like I know it because one one swallow of that ship and my whole face was burning. I'm like, I can't even imagine finishing that with my intestines.
Wait, how many bathrooms are in the challenge house?
One? Okay?
One, there's a one in every room, so okay, maybe like four? Five?
Okay, I imagine they were super occupied since you guys had like another challenge right after the last elimination, So talk to us about that. Did you guys just like go home and change and then meet TJ at this new location?
Yeah, so when Kylon finished his elimination, it was around twelve o'clock midnight.
Wow.
We didn't get started until like one thirty almost two am. Wow.
What time did you guys finish that night or that day?
You know, the sun was coming up, the sun was coming up. It was probably like six or seven am. Yeah.
Yeah.
What was the food they gave you guys, Well, we.
Didn't know until we unlocked the boxes, but it was bore snout. It was pig skin and like colon or something pig brain because it just says brain soup. Come to find out, it was like pig brain and this spicy surprise, which was.
Like the oil and chili's and stuff.
I'm seeing Olivia like swallow this pig snout. Tell me why she ends up cough? Okay, this is what's so fucked up. She's eating the pigs now and she she's coughing some of it up right, and it falls. Some of it falls on my glove, but I didn't know. I didn't know it had landed on my glove. And this oil is like all over my face and I go to wipe my nose off and I'm like, well, I was like, what is that smell? And I look at my glove and it was like some fucking pig snout from Olivia and I was.
Like, bro, I'm so weak, I'm weak. Yeah, it was just it fucked me all up.
That night challenge was I was really hoping, man, like, shit was gonna go differently.
But who are you hoping they threw in?
I was hoping that they would do well. Colleen had I already won, so she was out of the question, and so I was really really hoping for Berner. I was really hoping for Berner because just before that, Michelle and Berner were like into it, and you know, most of us didn't really fuck with Berna like that in the first place. So I was really hoping it was going to be her. But then when I knew it was then when they said it was me, I was like, oh, it's probably gonna be zas Off.
Berna. Now the season is rapped.
I haven't spoke to her. I haven't spoke to her when when the show was first coming out, she was reposting pictures and tagging everybody, but she would cover my face and like.
Not tag me.
Yeah. Yeah, it was just like girl, it was so petty. She would just cover my face not tag me, and I was like, okay, bet. But she did reach out like maybe last week or weekend after two weeks ago, and she she said she wanted to talk, but I just didn't respond. I'm like, I don't like if we're not cool by now, we're just not cool, so right, Yeah, I mean I thought it like she was. She was always in her head about things, she was always worried about, thinks she shouldn't have worked.
Oh no, what is she?
Uh? Oh? When she was trying to like downplay Zazo self nominating, like she's only Yeah. I'm like, bro, you should be kissing's feet right now. I'm like, what is wrong with you?
Yeah? Ace ASoft did it as well though, which I didn't love, and Esaf was like, we already knew you. I feel like a soft kiss mea vibe where he's overly confident with nothing to back it up. And what I just mean by that is where he feels he talks as if he knows all the inner workings of like the alliance and all the inner workings of who's doing what. But like, right, you know what I mean? Because yeah, I think Zaza was brave to do it.
She did brave or dumb, depending on how you want to but I think she was brave to do it because at that point it definitely looked like they were leaning towards Berna, right, I.
Know, I know, man, I know. Yeah. With ASoft, it's he is very strong. When we had that sled challenge, let me tell you that man was mostly pushing that thing.
Zoza was doing her part, but he was.
He is a beast when it comes to like physicality and like doing physical.
Stuff, for sure.
But I also think what's so crazy is I didn't even he did not come off this. He was definitely having a whole facade in the house. And then it's like and then when you see the confessionals, it's like, oh wow, bro, like that's what you were on and I think yeah, and I think it had to do with him being with Jay.
Let's talk about this elimination. So you're there, are you nervous going into this elimination before you know that it's Laurel? Also, did you have an inkling from Michelle's crying basically that it was going to be Laurel?
Or what was your I'm not I'm not gonna lie. Seeing Michelle up there like afraid. That was my first time actually seeing Michelle afraid and I'm just like, she ain't Honestly, I'm like what what?
What is? What is the hype around her?
I'm like seeing her so afraid, I'm like, why have I never put perspective around that?
As soon as she walked up, before she walked.
In, yeah, oh yeah down yeah.
Yeah yeah no, it did.
It was. It was super surprising to see her so freaked out, not gonna lie.
It was very surprising in that moment.
Who would you want have wanted Laurel to pick Zaza, Michelle or someone else up.
There Michelle all day and part of me, part of me was like wanted to tell Laurea.
Like pick the middle, pick the middle, just pick the middle.
Did you know it was the middle one?
No, so I wasn't one hundred percent sure that that chaos was the middle. So and also I also like didn't want to fuck with fate, but part you know, but honestly, like if I had the opportunity again, even if I didn't know if it wasn't the middle or not, I would have just said, picked the middle anyway, because you know, what do I have to lose.
I'm already down.
There, but you have a Laurel win under your belt for not missing with faith though.
Under your belt, I know that is still that is still so crazy to me, man, Like that is so crazy. That's crazy, dude, because what because what had happened was I was really annoyed with Zaza. I cannot even lie, like she was so giddy and like happy to be down there, and I'm like, why don't you just volunteer yourself?
And you know, anyway, you know, it's just so happy to be down here, just just play, you know, but when it when I saw what type of game it was, when I first walked in, I'm like, okay, it's not physical clearly. So I was like, I have a I have a fair shot.
Ye, what was your strategy to My.
Main strategy was to just not get the chains all tangled up and confused. So when I kept going back and forth trying to get the colors right, I put so much focus on just not getting the chains tangled up because I knew once that happened, I'm fucked. Yeah, And so that's why I was like going really slow at first, because I didn't want to like tangle it up. I wanted to I wanted to keep it in order so I could read, because I knew I would probably have to go back and double check and just be
as quick as possible. That was really my only strategy. And then I don't know what the hell started happening. I was like mixing things around. I got to the point she had called check and I was still working, yeah, and then I was missing that one peg and then like the colors were off.
I really I'm just trying to bring it, bring it back.
So basically I was missing a color so I just moved all the colors like one.
It was weird how I figured it out. I just I figured it out.
Though.
I think it has to be the scariest thing to go through all of that complete a puzzle and then they say that's incorrect, because it's.
Like where what incorrect?
Right?
Where do I even start?
Yeah?
Well, what's well what's crazy is?
Yeah?
I was. I was like, I was like, man, I'm not going to try to memorize so many because that's you know, you can mess up easier like that. I was like, I'll just memorize three. Then I was like, well, if I just memorize three, I know I can memorize four. So then I was like, so then I started memorizing four and I was like, man, four things a little too easy. Let me try memorizing five.
Yeah, And then I.
Kind of started to suck up. I was like, let me just stick to four.
And it was really cool seeing the softer side of Laurel also, which is interesting. You know, you spoke earlier about how like you can't just be good like a winner off of your social gameplay or whatever else, and I think Laurel is one of the few people who her social gameplay, at least in the past, didn't always necessarily matter because when it comes to competing, she can go into like robot mode almost. But when we get the glimpses of her feelings and emotion and see some
of that softer side, it's really nice to see. And so seeing her say that she was proud of you and giving that big hug, how did that feel in that moment, and how did it feel watching it back?
I just I just really want to cry because I just.
Laurel is someone that I've looked up to as a competitor and just being on the challenge, and to for her to see that she sees something in me that is so hard for me to bring out of myself, but I know it's there, but she tells me, you know you got it, like you can do it, and it's just it's such a wonderful feeling. And I look up to Laurel so much and I will have her back always, like because she donated five hundred dollars to my dad's go fund me when.
When we found out he had cancer. This was before anything.
She is a very like She's just an amazing human being and that's why she is such a beast, and she's such a strong competitor because she really does have a good heart. And I feel like the best competitors have the best heart, but they just people just don't always get to see it because we're in this type of environment with like the game and stuff.
But in actuality, she's such a sweet.
Genuine, kind person and she plays the game for the right reasons she and she's honest, and I just I look up to her in that sense as a competitor, and beating her, I was just like, wow, dude, Like I am not afraid of any fucking buddy anymore.
And that was what I needed.
And I'm like, it's full force now and everybody that was afraid should be mother fucking afraid.
I'm a right right that is on that now. We saw you say when they voted you in, you said, when I come back, I'm saying everybody's name, which I'm sure you know that's not how that works. You only get to say one name when you're deliberating motive people in. But who's the top of your list, who's the first person you're gunning for now that you're back in the house.
Well, I really had to because I really had to. It was Michelle and it was burnout, but I really like something in me was just like Michelle is way more vital to get out. But then I like like that was my gut telling me. But then my mind is like, no, Raven, be cool, Like she's cool. She's cool. She's cool because we.
Are helping you too at the elimination or.
We well it's it's but she wanted right, And that's when I took it first too, like I can take things really just like on the surface, like if you tell me this guy is purple and I ain't been outside all day, I'd be like what really really, like
what's going on? You know? You know, like I'm very I trust people for their word, and that's what this game has taught me is like you can't do that because really in actuality, people might say they fuck with you, but then they actually have hate and jealousy inside and it's not for your best interest. And so after at first I thought, oh, she's helping me because she wants me to win. No, she just wanted Laurel to.
Lose, to lose, yeah, yeah, And I'm like why didn't.
I like just pay attention to that and take it for what it was instead of trying to make it what I wanted it to be.
Hm, where do you and Michelle stand? Now?
We're cordial, Like we're cool, you know, Like she ended up telling me why she had animosity towards me all season, which really I think it's because I was just a strong player and she was scared. But we're like, we're cordial. You know.
She lives right over the bridge in New Jersey, but we.
Haven't hung out at all since, and I'm in New York, you know, and so I feel like that just says enough, Like that.
Says a lot.
But we're cordially, you know, like I don't have any problems with her, Like she was playing a game at the end of the day and that's fine.
So basically, it sounds like, aside from yourself, you're definitely not rooting for her to win this season.
Right, Nope, definitely not.
Who are you outside of yourself?
Outside of myself? Who am I rooting for?
Let me think about all the girls. Let's say Laurel had beat you today, well that day, right, yeah, yeah, I would have been rooting for Zaza, and I would have been I would have been rooting for Nourice. Can't lie not like, you know, not one hundred how far we've come, yeah, like you know, but it was still hard to believe. Like even then I questioned Nourice, I'm like, are her feelings real towards me? Like does she really want to call me a friend?
Does she?
You know?
I would say, we had her on the podcast recently, and she spoke so highly of you. I mean, she did say your nickname was Dory, but she spoke so highly of you and also just kind of like your innocence and stuff, and it was really it was it was sweet to.
Hear, yeah, which was it was so hard to accept in the house because I didn't know, you know, and part of me was like is she playing me?
Like are we really cool?
You know?
And but now outside of it, I definitely like I do love her, and I feel like we are a lot we can relate a lot more now that we're getting to know each other. And she's just genuine and she's real, like she's one of the realest ones in the house, Like she tells it like it is, and she's not afraid of who agrees and who doesn't agree.
And I look up to her confidence like so much.
And it really took this season for me to see what I'm capable of, not even in the show, but outside in real life. And that's why I've always loved the challenge because it just it just does that you know.
It does that is that is at the essence of this show and anyone who has the privilege to play this game in real life, it one hundred percent can be a life defining moment. Free Yeah, teach you so much about yourself, which is so magical, and you coming on the podcast today, Raven has taught us so much
about you. I will never look at Dory the same, but know that that is said with love, and I'm glad you got to say your peace and your side and we're excited to see you continue and coming back sort of empowered in this game now where you don't feel like the underdog, maybe you take the reins. I cannot wait to see what happens. For those who want to follow you though and keep up with you, know, everything that's going on with you, Where can they find you on social.
Yeah, I'm definitely popping on Instagram. That's where I usually keep everyone up. Today it's its r A the y D. It's Raven on Instagram, and it's the same for TikTok and we ain't got to worry about Facebook, and yeah, Instagram and TikTok, it's Raven. That's where you can find me. I know that.
Love it love.
I want to be sure to say that I because I was one of the people who was like, you know, Raven versus the Shoe in your first season, because baby, you have come a long way though, and I'm so so proud of you, like.
From we saw to hear my goodness, I'm sory.
Are you?
Thank you?
Girl?
I also want to say I am a huge fan of you as well, like you are so funny. Yeah, now you are real ast fuck and I just want to take that energy like you cam like just like not caring and just believing in your self, you know what I'm saying, Like that.
No matter like, yeah I got flaws, like I'm.
Not perfect, but I just this game has taught me to believe in myself and just to and just to and in the shoe situation, what is crazy is like I think that's just the part of I just think my feet are too powerful because even in some of the challenges this season. My shoe has come off.
My shoe came off during the elimination with Hugh Huey, So.
Maybe it's your shoe tying skills that need at this point.
At this point, I would rather compete with no shoes. I'm gonna be real because I'm just feeling better with no shoes. But thank you. I do. I do think I have come such a long way, not even in the game, but also in real life.
Like, I do love.
The challenge and it is a privilege to be on it, and when I get the opportunity again, you know, guarantee, like I'm not gonna take it for granted.
And I'm just so grateful.
That makes me. I'm glad you came to hang out with us, man.
Yeah, thank you guys so much.
Such a great interview.
I'm so happy that Raven decided to come and hang out with us. Yes, I love it when people come and talk to us, and I love it when the people can find us. So where can they find you on the social media's miss Devin.
Girl, I don't know. I'm still trying to find myself, but in the meantime, you can find me on my website. Devin Simone dot com Den with the y Simone with an I. And for those who ask why I always spell it out all the time, someone tweeted me the other day and spelled it wrong. So that's why you can scroll off the bottom and see my socials. I'm most active on Instagram. My TikTok's kind of like Davon's YouTube,
but you can still go there and follow me. Uh huh and uh yeah, day where can they find you?
You can find me on Twitter at dave Avon Underscore.
You can also find me on Instagram at Davon Diane Underscore and ask for now.
I'll leave it there. I would love to.
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