Feel the Bern w/ Olivia Kaiser

Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simon.

And I'm Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.

Girl Ain't It's So this episode was absolutely jam packy. It was so shocking because this episode saw two of the top women go home. This game has more turns than a crooked toenail.

They should have called this episode like something to do with Karma, because I feel like there was.

A lot of carm It was just wild.

But I don't even know if it's fully karma because like, well some of it, but even the Michelle stuff, believe it or not, because I feel like Michelle's played a good game. Okay, we'll get into it, but just as a quick reminder, right, So this week you first had the challenge called drum Roll, where they had to they're suspended overwater over this big rotating drum kind of like a hamster wheel.

Yeah.

Day, I had to do that on the side of a building in Uruguay.

My behind was the first one that fell.

If y'all remember free Agents, definitely being on those moving rolling things.

It's just not fun at all. So they had roll.

Everybody was struggle bussing Berna over there looked like a little hamster, just.

Living in her element.

She's like, this is what I do at the circus for fun. But then ultimately we saw Michelle get permed because remember if you come in last, then you go home. So that was just a mind blowing moment for this woman who's essentially kind of I think she was even running Jay, which you pointed.

Out last episode day for sure, and she's just gone like that.

I can't I just my brain can't even wrap my head around that strategy, and so Burna wins. I love that Queen Berna is. Now she's very easily slid into the godfather role for this episode. Like we see her strategizing, we see her going in. So Berna chooses Corey, who thinks Jesus, Colleen and Manuel, Jay and Mariah, which leaves Nourice,

Did you Devon?

I did not have that on mind.

I didn't.

I definitely didn't.

All, but Maurice, I'm telling you, if she wins this season, this is the ultimate underdog. We are the champions. Like this is the perfect if she pulls this thing out.

Like a girl, I mean she I just this is wild, like just it's so much.

But also even Corey manuel A Manuel I forgot he was still on the show. But Corey, because Corey managed to go through the fire, yeah and bring himself Like, I gotta give props to them because in the first couple episodes, if y'all remember Corey was in it, Like Corey seemed like he was being targeted, but also that he should have gone home, and he managed to come out looking.

Pretty and he came alive. In this episode, I said, oh, well, good morning, Corey.

I get you.

Well to the game when he's having this conversation with Colleen and he's like, man, look okay, we're doing their dirty work. They were using us, And I'm like, yes, Corey, these are conversations I needed you to have weeks ago. But you know what timing is everything, So maybe this is the right time to have that conversation. One thing's for show, two things for certain Corey gonna say, well, he have to say to make sure that he's safe, and I peeped that.

He yes, he is.

And I forgot to include Colleen in that list of who's going to the final also, but she also managed to like wiggle her a way, which is shocked.

I'm god, go Colleen, I'm shot girl.

It was a lot like it was a lot happening.

It was I can't even with all the things that was going on, and like, Jay seems to be losing control, although I feel like we've seen that, and there's been this conversation online day about people being really mad at Jay and Michelle's gameplay, saying he's playing a cowardly game on this season and that that's not how champions do it.

But like as much.

As I'd say Jay comes across as the villain this season, yeah, I'd argue he's still technically playing a smart game.

Yeah.

And that goes back to that that age old question, are you a champion because you avoided eliminations? Or are you a champion because you got in the eliminations?

And if you know it's the it's the first because if you look back at the strategists of some of the great seniors of our time talking about Bananas and CT. Until they started putting rules in place.

I like to call it the Devin rule, to be honest, that you have to go into elimination in order to win.

That's part of their strategy when I was on the show, because that's I needed that.

I'd have been in the final for show the way they was tossing me in eliminations.

Okay, I mean, I'm glad they have that rule, so thankful, so thankful. I would have just been like, let me go ahead and pack my bags and now where's the bus right period?

Right, So let's say, hypothetically, with with what you're what you're saying, Colleen pulls this whole thing out right, she.

Champions.

Yeah, but but it's fair and it's a valid win. And again, Bananas, that was his strategy. Cet on spieslies and allies. CT wasn't there for seventy five percent this season. I mean he was there, but CT was just sitting back. And that was the thing that like Devin I think was hounding on is he was like, how are we just letting him sit so quiet? Like you do realize the game, And that's a problem, you know, if you get him to a final game over. And so yeah, no,

That's annoying. That's annoying. It is, It's just annoying.

It's hetgic. It's all strategy, it's all strategy. They got James up out of here.

I mean he did to be beare he put it, he put some in.

His hand was chewed up from that rope from last Oh my god owed up like James put in some and and so this actually is a good point to get into our gold Star nominations in time out, and I'm gonna give you my gold Star nominations, and I think you might be surprised by some of them.

Here we go.

One of my gold Star nominations is James. I'm gonna give it to James as a goals.

He's gonna get a nomination because his hand was chewed up. And also if we recall when we saw him an elimination earlier in the season, right, his stamina was negative ninety eight.

Oh, Maria running.

He lasted on this hamster wheel and did well longer than I thought. So you're gonna give James a nomination for a gold Star, I respect it. I'm also gonna give a nomination to Berna. I love seeing her in her strategy skills. Obviously she wants the daily, but I love seeing her coming here and making moves like we've seen a whole now it makes sense. Like before, I don't know, she's sort of like Michelle's sidekicking that out, but now we're seeing I don't know, I feel like

Respect. And then I'm also going to give a nomination to TJ for being.

Messy as hell, because he was trolling Burnup when they had to do like the delimeration or do the names right. He's like, now, remember everyone that you're saying, you're basically saying that him like not TJ being extra messy. And then when he brought up like, oh, what's going on with this boat and asking nourice and all that.

I'm like, oh, he's in his messy era TJ. So he gets a.

Nomination for gold Star. Ultimately, my win is gonna have to be Berna. I respect congratulations to Burnap for winning.

She looked great doing it made it seem easy.

But also she came right into that house and started making money moves and I have mad.

Respect for it. Who easy gets your nomination?

So go Star nominations. Let's start with Corey.

I'm gonna give a nomination to Corey because I do feel like he came alive in this episode and I'm like, okay, Corey, you're giving me a little something to be like, all right now, Corey, you here, you have a round. So definitely Corey definitely burn Up for coming out of her shell.

Let me, how can I phrase that? Because there are people who will.

Argue she been out hush shell yea, but coming out in this in this line, yeah, you know, in this lane of I know how to take charge and I know how to do this, this, this, and this. So I want to give a shout out to her. She gets a little nomination for that. But then ultimately I'm going to give my star to Nourice, and it's it's because she's not afraid. There is a fearless lioness.

Yeah within her.

You know she's small, but the package within is big and mighty, okay. And so for her to go into these two eliminations back to back with no like, she didn't try to fight, she didn't try to negotiate, she wasn't like she's nless. She said, I'm not gonna kich anybody's but if I have to go in, it is what it is. And she was ready for eating and everything didn't matter who. She was up against Hirasio and Kylin took him out. Now she's up against James and took him out.

And out in two episodes. My goodness. Yeah, girl, future seasons, that's.

Watch watch watch watch her watch it.

That is iconic.

Watch on.

Get her on your team because she's loyal too, She's also loyal.

Get her on your very loyal. Yeah that's true.

Yeah, she is to the soil.

Get her on your sad respect.

So definitely I'm gonna give my overall goal starts to Noreise, who is in time out.

All right, my time out nominations first go to Colleen for starting unnecessary drama, and Colleen, technically you did lie, like yes, nurse did say, I'll vote for Kylin, although at that point I feel like it only made sense because Kylin and Hirossio did seem the to be the only one prioritizing Nourse. I mean, yes, sure Jay was her friend, but Jay was prioritizing everyone else, is how

You just showed up, sir. We didn't even remember.

We thought you were still cuddling sister wives in the movie room. You just showed up, and here you are talking smack saying Noursee's confidence is too much basically like she's coming, she's running her mouth as she should. She has put in more work than your tattoo artists, so she deserves all right, She'll come in as confident as she wants to be. And that just made me extra mad, because you don't think he would come in confident if he beat one person.

He'd beat one person with.

No kneecaps, no nails, anything else, and he'd be super confident. Nice deserves to come in and enjoy this, especially because she couldn't really enjoy her last win because she was responsible for sending home to people.

Out.

So so a Manuel, go back to whatever corner you've been in for the last seventy five episodes, please, And also you've done nothing up.

Until this point.

So yeah, no, he gets my time out for sure. Who gets your time out?

My time I go to j My time I was gonna go to Jay, simply because I didn't understand. And this is coming from somebody who has a theater degree, Okay, I didn't understand the theatrics of it all. If you were gonna send a girl in, and you was gonna send her, you were trying to send her into elimination. Talking about nourice, then just do it. But all of the I heard this, and you've been doing this and

What are we doing?

You know?

And so I'm gonna go ahead and uh send Jay on in the corner. That's the only one I got, Jay, What did you do?

I completely agree? I completely agree.

I do have to give a shout out to not only TJ's messiness, but he was really he was living on edge this episode because his shirt when uh, he was doing elimination this black shirt and then he had a squiggle pocket with like a pattern on it. It's like, oh, did TJ get a start? Like TJ is really trying to be in his artsy, creative era.

So I respect it.

TJ good game play, like I like, I like, you know, he's in a vibe, So shout out to TJ for that. I also want to shout out really quick when Berna said she said, I just want to say one thing, maybe more when she gathered the group to like talk, and this is right after Olivia was like, Oh God, Burne's gonna vote people, and she's gonna give a dissertation of why she's gonna vote him.

I loved just.

Seeing Berna be like, I just want to say one thing and then maybe.

More like live it, Yes, girl, live it. You absolutely deserve it. I just I love the energy of the podcast.

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Wow, so And also we know that his family and his friends listen every week, and we just wanted to say that we are thinking of all of you during this time. We send you love, we send you encouragement, we send you hugs, and we just send you so much positivity during this time.

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I'm so excited about this one because by popular demand, the crowd, the sweat, the streets, the people have been waiting.

Olivia is here to join us.

Y'all.

Let's welcome Olivia. HII.

We have to give you props Olivia for coming because other people have been scared to come on the podcast, which is crazy because it's just us and the streets are a bus and there are a lot of questions, so I have to get into it with probably the most pressing question of all.

Number one.

Yes, let's get into it.

Are you an actual redhead?

Because I was watching the episode trying to figure out and I was like, I can't tell because it works so like she could be, but then.

Like she could be, I don't, so can you?

Yeah?

Are you?

Actually?

It's so funny.

I actually am strawberry blonde. My dad and my sister are the ones that are redheads. I've never been that red before. I definitely colored my hair. I don't know if you guys have ever had bleach in your hair, but it like fries it off.

So I was like, let me just switch it up over here.

And then yeah, I'm looking back a watching the season, I'm like, I don't think that is going to be retired for the rest of my life.

Well, are you?

I mean, I don't know. It works, yeah, but dark hair era, and I would say it drove the streets crazy.

Like this dark hair era that you've entered.

I don't know, you know, I'm always trying to give an origin story, so it is just like your origin story into it because you hadn't like this black it was cute, the picture was cute.

You had on like this black outfit and hair jib like, I'm like, Oh, where's she going? What's happening?

What is Oh are you doing right?

I'm like, I don't know if this is something in my villain origin story or something.

But now I know that's what we were alluding to. We were wondering if this Yeah, no, listen one thing on.

Medi I can always cut it straight to the chin.

I don't mind because like the back of the matter is it is what it is, right, Like.

It happened to happened.

Things happen, and I'm here to just shed light on like my perspective now that it's correct. But I think that it is fair for me to be able to express myself and also say what my feelings are in moments, you know, because that's like everyone.

Words and we want to give you the space to do that.

And so side, thank you by the way for being so transparent, especially with that hard hitting question, because no, seriously, I.

Want to know. I was like, I was texting Devon, is she an actual redhead?

Like I don't I can't tell Okay, So real question though, So what was interesting?

Obviously there's been a lot of heat after watching.

Yeah, you know, certainly there's this week's episode, which we'll get into, but last week's episode and one thing that I thought, and there's so many questions around that, but one thing that was really interesting is Kylin came online and actually said that when you didn't vote for Nourice, that you when you kind of saw what was happening, or that she was in the bottom three, that you asked TJ if you could trade places with Nourice?

Did that happen? And can you explain a little bit about that if it did?

Yeah?

So Kyline, first of all, is just one of the nicest guys, you guys like he he was obviously on the bad end of everything, and he still is out here like having in my back and like I just hung out with him last week, like we're still friends and stuff. So but so, yeah, so I when I watched this episode, to be honest, was I knew it was going down. I've been dreading it for months, you know, and although it's just hitting everyone now and I need.

To be.

Understanding that people are seeing it and reacting for the first time, so I'm trying to be understanding, but I've been dealing with this for a while, and so when I watched the episode, I was a little bit like.

Wow, like they really cut out so much of it.

So what didn't we get to see?

Yeah, what made you do? What's in behind the scenes.

So we had this plan so basically everyone in the house.

This is a weird season, I think because everyone in the house was really close, which is not ever now I'm realizing it's almost better to pick a side and just ride with them so hard and not really care about anyone else in the house because then you get in the middle, which now I'm realizing the middle.

Is not the safest place.

It is the most dangerous place and the most uncomfortable place and the most like you know.

So that's a learning lesson.

But so night before that elimination, we were at the club and it was said by everyone that Rossium Kyland are going in one hundred and ten percent right. They even show the clip where Kylin and Rossi were in the kitchen and said, you know, we're already going in, Like let's just save the girls at all costs.

And so that was ingrained in me in Nores's head.

Nurse obviously like has feelings for Rossio that are beyond friendship, so she obviously feels more you know, when you have a lover in the house. You obviously were not like like Mariah for instance, fighting for James. Like, so she obviously wasn't loving that idea, but she still was like, you know, okay, like whatever it is, what it is.

Like she still was writing for Jay, so we're like, okay.

So my mindset was like, well, the guys are going in at all costs, like it sucks, but they also came to terms with it, so I'm going to do my best to save me and Nurse and Nurie's gonna do the best to save well, Nuri kind of wasn't politicing that much, to be honest with you, Me and

But also it kind of looks like I.

Think she alluded to that when she came on the podcast. Michelle definitely explained to like her friendships and how close she is with a lot of you guys, including you.

But then she al, yeah, go ahead.

At all.

But she also said, because remember I made her reiterated, she also said that her number one in the house was Mariah, So I'm a little confused.

She did say that, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so so her number one in the house was Mariah because my number one was Nourice and I.

Wasn't gonna switch it.

And that's yeah, yep.

But I think at this point in the game we were there for like what fifty days or something.

I also, I also was not in and this is not excuses, because I do Everything I did was regrettable, I really do, but I was in a good mind space and going into the game.

She almost didn't go on the season.

I felt very I don't know.

How to describe it.

I don't want to like, I don't know, you don't have to say it, yeah, okay, Basically like I felt like I wasn't almost worthy of having some of the friends in the house because they like I heard people chirping all the time, like Olivia was carried by Rassio, like Olivia's not good enough, Like just hearing things and have to hear them over and over and over again, especially when like you went through something so traumatic and then you don't have your ride or die that's in

At all, I mean at all.

Like I talked to Jay every single day. Jay and me were really really close. Now watching things back, I'm obviously disturbed on things I didn't know or knew how he was talking about me. Yeah, okay, So that at the club we had it a list where it was I was actually on this list or on this idea because no one wanted to save me and Nurice early in the in the lineup because they were like Sayer,

Screw you guys over if you saved me and Nourise.

So it's like it's a weird place to be, right, But anyways, there was a lineup.

And it was where I was saved. I was going to save Marine, who saved James, who saved Corey, who saved Nourice. And then I think Nice, could.

They because at one point, at one point Jay even said, well, we can bring one of your guys. We can bring one of your guys. So Nice was gonna be picked and then she was gonna save Ross you And then.

Did we really said Corey was going to save Nourice and not save Colleen? Like that math isn't mathy?

I know how I think that at this point because actually it doesn't really show Corey's friendships with us either, Like Corey and me and Corey and Reice were really good friends too.

And Corey was gonna save Nourice anyways. Like so I'll get to that two seconds. That is part of what's what's going on.

But so so yes, because Corey was such so desperate to just keep going, he would do whatever the person that picked him wanted him to do, right, if that makes sense, He's not going to make a bold move and save Colleen because what of the next challenge, you know what I mean? Say it's why, Yeah, it wasn't about loyalty, I would, I would say, And Corey is awesome, like I he's like one of the people that have reached out to me and like checked on me, and

And then all of a sudden it started steering again. It's all happens in the club. You see me in the corner with different people.

You see one clip of what happened with Jay, Nourice and Berna or not sorry Jay, Michelle and Berna, But there was so many other conversations because honestly a lot of the people in the house did want to.

Keep me in re safe. But anyways, so that was a plan.

We already knew there was an opportunity for me not to save Nourice, and Naris knew that and then going on the line, she was supposed to be saved. Right, So going into this elimination. Michelle comes up to me the next morning and are not elimination? Sorry the pick or whatever?

The line? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the lineup.

She comes up to me and she's crying because, like I said, me and Michelle are best friends.

Like right, she was like holy shit, Like they don't show this, but me Michelle were attached at the hip every second in that house because we had no one else. Everyone was either coupled up or everyone was you know honestly, like, I don't know who knows what they were doing. Me Michelle were just together all the time. And so she's crying and I'm just like, am I going in? And I'm like, do not blindside me?

Am I going in? And She's like yes, And I was like, wow.

Michelle, that is so crazy because we spent all night last night making a list to make it work for me and the race, Like and now and now you're going to say that I'm going in over Nurice, And yes.

I'm not trying to. I wasn't trying to throw the rest of the bus to that comment.

Yeah, but yeah, I have about you. That's fair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that was the shock because I thought we were all safe. I was like, come on, girl, don't give up da da dah. Right.

Yeah, And I'm trying to fight for her.

I'm trying to fight for anyone I can that.

That I can and that will do.

Michelle say why there was a switch up though, Like why I was suddenly going to be you?

And yeah, yeah, apparently, yeah.

They thought that they thought out of everyone that was going to go in if because Colleen at one point was.

They want to Colleen to go in.

At one point they wanted me to go in, and then I guess Nourice as well. And they thought out of all three of us girls, because the state of the guys coming back into the house looking all uddy and crazy, we weren't sure what it was.

We weren't sure if it was puzzled.

We thought it could be right, right, a crazy obstacle course that is running twenty miles who yes, right? So yeah, so they thought that I was the only one that could beat the guys, and so that's why they wanted me to go in.

And if they'd use you as a pond like to do their dirty yeah, basically yeah, And if I.

Didn't win, they really yep.

And they also and that by that also me leaving, they wouldn't have been as like affected because they know that I'm an actually sweet person.

I don't really go off on anyone ever.

I'm kind of just like and I'm very understanding to a fault, I think, And that's why I'm I'll go into this in a bit, but that's why I'm little bit hurt with everything that's going on, just because I'm like, damn, Like everyone's entitled their own opinion and their own feelings, and I have to give him that.

It's just hard.

It's okay, So I want to break this and it's not any moving you along, but I want to make sure yes, sorry, because the audience has so many things too. Okay, So this is the lead up to the meeting though, really quick, going before the lineup. This is you're now describing that conversation we saw you have kind of outside right before you go into the lineup, right with Michelle and Jay.

Okay, cool? So yeah, what happened?

Yep?

So Michelle is like, I will pick you, Olivia, but you because Michelle's working with everyone, right, So she's like, I'm either going to fuck over every single person on this lineup, and that will also destroy her game the next time because if she doesn't win or something, she's not going to be picked. She's going to elimination. And she worked hard all season to get where she's.

Depressed or whatever. I can understand that.

Yeah, right, So I was like, okay, I'll pick Mariah and then and then because of the lists that we had talked about last night, Maurice, no one really like, no one wanted Nurice to go into elimination. Jay didn't want to, and Michelle in the clips too did not want her to go in either. So I'm like, perfect, Colleen has no loyalties to anyone. This is before her and Corey even started getting close. That happened over one day.

As you know, things can happen quick in the house.

They were not close at this point, and so we were like, okay, Colleen will save Nourie. And this happened ten seconds before we walk down to deliberation, Like so.

Quick, really, because it looks like Cory and Colleen were slowly building this sort of I don't want to say island of misfit clients, but kind of where they knew that they weren't on the top of anyone's list. Yeah, they were slowly bonding. It didn't look like it was an overnight thing.

It seems like, yeah, I think I think maybe I'm I'm referring to it as being aware of it.

Right, right, that's fair.

But I like watching back the show, I'm like, oh, wow, like.

That's yeah, you see conversations you didn't know happened.

Yeah, exactly. But but but because also Colleen, I went.

Colleen also would talk to me and Terese all the time, and she's like, you girls are the ones that are nice to be in the house. So it's so funny seeing her kind of sweat and say that we were not nice to her. Verna nurse and Bernard ever, like they never liked each other, but I was always so kind to both of them.

So I'm like, that's out of palk but whatever.

Anyways, so I was like, Okay, I'll save Da Da da whatever, and then Colleen will get picked and Colleen will save Nourice and she picks Corey. And that's when I was like, what the fuck?

Because I thought my plan was seamless.

And that's why end this episode you can see me being like I thought I was smart enough to And.

So did you talk to Colleen before Colleen knew she was supposed to pick Nourice? Like that wasn't she wasn't surprised.

No, she she'd no.

But Nourice and her had an understanding because Nourice didn't. If you remember a couple episodes ago, Nourice said Berna's name over Colleen, right, and so they had a little understanding and the way that Nurie talked about Colleen was like, yeah, like I got her back, she has mine because I've never said her name.

Wait, but Colleen.

But just to be clear, so Colleen, though, was never told before this lineup, hey, when we pick you, you have to pick Nourice.

She was never told that.

No okay because because no, because.

It happened I think so quick before.

But I also will say that there definitely was conversation that insanuaitd okay, So if we do this like we did the line up so many different ways, and so there was definitely conversation about it.

But but so y'all were just assuming she would do it.

So then when yes, when Nourse ultimately ends up towards the bottom, is this when you told TJ, hey, I want to switch places with Nourise.

So you're saying what Kylin's telling. Basically all of this is like what Kylin is sharing with us is some truth to that?

Can you walk us through that?

Yes? So when Colleen picked Corey, I literally like, what the fuck?

And then I I don't know what. I don't know if Nurse said anything first or she said something after. I can't remember how the order was. But I just remember literally not having anything on my mind, hearing like ringing in my ears because I was.

Like, I just screwed over.

This is not how it was supposed to go. That's basically my mind was like, this is not how it's supposed to do. It's not how it supposed to go.

I fucked up royally. I literally look at Taj. I'm like TJ, please, please let me switch places.

And he's like he's like uh, and he's kind of iffy, and I'm like no, please, let nourice come sit in my spot, let me go into elimination.

Please switch me.

And everyone one heard it and everyone was just quiet, obviously because everyone's shocked that it went down. And I'm like TEG please, and he's like sorry, boats are locked in and then I was like no. And that's when I was like, I'm sorry, Terrace, And it looks me I was saying it bitually, but it was like no.

It was like I was so ashamed.

And so it does change a lot like that.

Actually that yeah, it's and so it's really hurtful to watch.

I mean, I don't want even aside from my feelings, I don't want nurse to watch it.

And not remember that I did have regret immediately. I don't want her to think that I was okay doing what I did. And so the part that.

Bothers me is is that people are saying you fucked over roll saying like da da da. I'm like, no, the boys knew one hundred percent they were going in.

Yes.

I think in the moment they wish that I would have switched up the game, and honestly, so do I. But in the longevity of everything, I wish I just kept my mouth shut and I just took it to the chin and went into elimination. That's like the ideal situation for me, because I don't want to fuck over Michelle.

Either, you know, and that would have been sucking shell over.

Who do you feel like looking back in all that you've seen now? And I understand that stuff gets cut out and it's hard right because you guys are filmed. Which is one thing I love about the Challenge is it's one of the few reality shows where it's not fake because there are cameras rolling twenty four to seven all the time. But we can't watch nine million hours of a show right like, They've got to cut it down and so they're trying.

To show us the key pieces to the store, you know, like.

What would make sense, but a lot gets left on the cutting room floor, right, So that's always hard. Because you're there, you experience all these nuanced things, which is why I'm so glad and I know days too that you've come on the.

Podcast so we can talk about it.

But looking back in what you've seen, because now you've also gotten to see conversations you didn't know were happening and all that other stuff.

Who's alliance?

Do? Like?

Do you feel you chose sort of the right side of history if you will, Like, I know you're good friends with Michelle, totally get that. I know you were close with Nurice and Heirasio at a time, and it ultimately became this divide, which is a tough spot to be in. But it just seemed like, do you think one would have been more loyal to me? I know I have my thoughts about it, day probably does too, But I'm.

Just curious your thoughts, like would.

You Yeah, you know, in this moment with that decision, I actually don't feel like I was necessarily picking a side.

I think I was. I was picking a singular friend over.

And I was picking I.

Yes, And I also thought that I was chooting in a weird way. I thought I was like finally like choosing myself and just being like, no one hears fighting for me.

Of course, like.

Yeah, it's hard because everyone is like, Olivia, you're the safest in the house.

No one's gonna throw you in. Da da da da da, all this stuff.

But it's like, sure, but it does show that I'm when I'm not useful to anyone, I'm.

Disposed and then yeah, yeah, and it's like I don't.

Feel like I suited either side, and that just shows I think like where my mind's like my state of mind was and my confidence this season it was horrible.

I think I was so insecure this season.

I think even though you can held it last seat, like let's get into this a little bit, you being vulnerable like Olivia, and even the chatter online and by the way, I know there's a lot of like haters are getting a lot of flak right now.

There's a lot going on.

I've been talking about somebody else tomorrow.

Don't worry.

Yeah, people forget stuff, you know, Day says stuff all the time that people forget.

We forget stuff, so like, don't trust.

But what's crazy is, like last season, so many of us were rooting for you, not only because you proved to have the heart of a champion. I mean even just a few episodes ago, I remember defending you. I think it was against Dissoff actually, because you guys were doing it was like the mini final, right, and you got a little tired, which is valid and there and he I think referenced that or mention that, but you still kicked ass and like pushed through and did, in

What do you think I think you like, Yeah.

I don't know.

I think that what people don't see is that I have a real life outside this And when I got hit in the face.

I was by myself recovering for like four or five months. Like it was bad.

I couldn't like even look in the mirror without like a reminder of like just being like a loser. And I know that's dramatic, and I know I'm not. I it was accident and I know, but but it is hard. You know, everyone has their demons. And they were just talking a lot, and then I started partying a lot. She's like numb pain and feelings. And then Arastio turns his phone off. I don't talk to him. So the one person that went through everything with me, I didn't

But did you feel so coming out of Writer Dies, did you guys feel really bonded.

Like, of course, because he also is such an amazing sweet guy.

Yeah, but we always have been different.

You know, you have made out with him in a world outside of this issue.

Oh my god, no, girl, I don't know like me and him literally trust me, like worse.

Our energies are so different, like it's.

All not even not a drunken night. If he didn't have a girlfriend, I'm not talking about I know you're not like single if everyone once, if he was single, not even once, didn't think about it at all, not didn't cross.

Girl, you know my type. I like the corny ones. I guess.

Corny okay, okay, because that was a big that was looking. That was even my hypothesis because obviously, look, you're woman. He's a good looking guy. He is a he does show himself to be like a respectful nice guy, you know what I mean, and like well and also I will say, is there a vibe yea go ahead?

No, no, no.

There was never. I also am just like him. We're similar in the way of that. I think we are used to being like pursued intensely, and if we're not, then it's like, well.

They don't like me, then I don't like that.

It's behind next right, It's like and I never pursued him and he never pursued me like it was.

And yeah, but like you're saying though, if he had pursued you what I'm hearing, if he had likes you might have turned your head. So then did it catch you off guard when you saw him sort of light up at this like turn thing that's happening with him and Nourice in the house. Did you kind of do the Scooby Doo look, you know, like like wait, yeah, but is.

It yeah, I mean yeah, like he he from what we've talked about, you know, we obviously had a whole season Rider Eyes, like Maurice went home like a little bit before halfway or halfway, I can't remember, And so we obviously had like more time on the show and stuff, and he would talk about like because him and Tory had a flirtation on Reder Eyes and he was always like no, no, no, like they never took it anywhere,

Yeah whatever, but he never.

Wait, didn't you. Yeah, he had a think with Laurel.

Yeah, and then even this season, like they were like WHOI and him had like their little like friendship and stuff that people were talking about.

But yeah, he's just a nice guy and I think that he just.

Is like nice and people mistakes sometimes for being overly flirty whatever.

Anyways, Yeah, I was shocked to.

See him, you know, even Kissingries on the show, and I think the rese at one point was kind of shocked too. But then also she was having real conversations with him that none of us saw.

So of course we're over here like.

Huh, but she's like no, he's like he's moving along when we're just like how because.

You don't see it, but like, yeah, who are we to judge?

But also I'm only able to judge off what I've known of him, So it's like you know, and and now ill now all dale. I mean, I'm I think they're an amazing couple together, and they're so different, Like I'm never going to stand by like behind that, Like they are so different and I'm shocked that they are together.

But I'm so happy for them.

Yeah, do you talk to them.

We also called me after the show and he was just like I know that, like this is a lot and I am here for you and stuff. I don't know if things have changed since you've seen the episode, just because you know old wing wounds can get reopened from the show.

Did you apologize to him at all?

Oh my god, yeah, profusely. But I was like, I'm sorry I made you feel like that. I think he was more upset that he had to go against Nourice and that I did that to Nourise. After he was like, trust Olivia.

Way, you did apologize.

Yeah, that's that's interesting because he told us that you didn't.

He said he talked to you recently.

Oh that's hilarious.

No, he said he apologized to you, but you didn't apologize to him.

That's so not true. Call him right now. I'm like, no, no, no, because I was. I was in Alaska sitting on my grass. He called me and I was crying. Did he say did he tell is this the conversation he's talking about?

He said it was recent is? Yeah, he didn't.

I don't.

I don't know. He didn't mention I was forget you're from Alaska that I love it. So yeah, but.

He did mention that maybe he's saying after recently and then you didn't apologize, like because we asked him obviously, where you guys stayd da da da, And he said that you were more concerned with repairing your friendship with Maurice. He he didn't have anything like negative to say, but we asked, like, did you guy squash it?

Did you apologize to him?

And he said no, she didn't apologize at all, and we thought that was a little surprising, just given how Yeah, that's that's not true.

That's not true, and I don't think he's lying.

I think he maybe is just confused, or maybe he's talking about apologize since the episode airs of the Is this recently you're Sayinger.

Yeah, this is weeks ago, but realistically.

It was okay, oh yeah, that's yeah, that's not true because we also did a Challenge Mania right after the season.

Like that's what I was saying.

And we talked and I asked, you know, and ask everyone there. I was literally like, I feel so bad he's coming, Like I haven't talked to him since I saw him give him big hug. We made up, I said sorry everything. So I don't know if maybe he just doesn't feel that I will. Maybe he's like kind of still or.

Maybe old wounds kind of like you said, yeah, when you rewatch this show. You can get triggered round like painful.

Yeah, because no, I mean I can die on this hell, even when I see Kyla. I saw Kylin last week, like I saw him, I already apologized to him. Every time I see him, I'm like, I'm so sorry again. Like I know myself, and one thing I will always do is own up to what I've done. So that's not my character, and I did definitely say sorry.

Ooh, this is hot.

Okay, we're gonna take a quick break to recover, but we'll be right back after this.

Come on, guys, let's get back to this show.

So have you and Mauris repaired? You and Noreise are well? Where do you two stand?

Yeah? Noro, No, I mean this is.

I don't blame her if she doesn't want to be friends with me ever again, but I will say that she.

So we have not talked.

Since the reunion, And to be honest, I was in a place where on the show right when I eliminated you can.

See that I thought we were good. I thought she forgave me, and it looks like.

You guys kind of.

I was actually really surprised by that your makeup together because like getting ready.

Yep, I think that even though it was real and I'm going to take ownership, and I was so wrong in not choosing to rease or just keeping my mouth shut and just going into elimination.

I was wrong. But most of this stuff was discussed, so.

It's I think it's discussed when people are rewatched.

Sorry, but discuss with her.

No, you're fine, Like I'm just saying, like the lineup of how we could save.

Just the girls was discussed, like we already talked the night before at the club, like we already talked about options, what could happen?

It was never like it. I don't want to just I'm not trying to make excuses for myself. I'm trying to catch myself, not make excuses.

But I don't even know how to say it.

Like you said, be real, this is a safe space of that.

Yeah, I think it was definitely bad, and I want to own up to because I don't want to discredit her feelings or Rossals or Kayland's or anyone one that watched and was rooting for me or them.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But I don't think it.

Was as big of an upset as the episode made it look interesting.

Okay, before we even continue with this interview, I just want to say to you, Olivia, just you know, as we go forward with questioning, people change like the wind right, And I'm not talking about the cast members.

I'm talking about the public.

People change. They blow with the wind.

You understand what I'm saying.

They'll love you on Monday, h on Tuesday, and be right back with you on Wednesday. And so as you're answering your questions, at the end of the day, it only matters what you think about you, you know what I mean. So don't don't answer these questions and oh are they going to view this? Are they going to pick this a part of it?

Because they are.

Even if you're saying something positive, they're gonna pick that apart too. So you have to just be comfortable and just being you either way it goes. You know what you did, you know how you felt about it, you know what you regret, you know what you're apologetic for, and you know what you stand on and believe.

I'm not changing about you know, but stand in that.

There's a certain level of respect that comes with with owning and standing in your truth, you.

Know what I'm saying, and giving room for and giving room for growth.

That's it, and I think, like watching it back, I'm almost just kind of like, damn, Like, I'm such a different place right now.

Like I'm telling you, it's insane. I'm not.

Like there's personal things too that have happened, like mental health stuff that was happening on the show that I just don't feel comfortable talking about. I don't want to use anything as excuses, but maybe one day I'll talk

Also not like my table between my legs and feel ashamed. I have to move forward.

I have to forgive myself, like, because what am I gonna do beat myself up for the rest of my life. At the end of the day, it is a game in a real world. Anyone that knows me, I will take my shirt off my back for someone, and so it's just sucks to see that my character now is in question. But at the end of the day, it's up to me to just prove.

Yeah, prove.

To know better is to do better. So it's like learn, you do it, and you do better.

Okay, So speaking of betterness in this house, and talked about your friendship with Michelle, Michelle has arguably been I've been jokingly calling her the Godfather of the season because the way she's been orchestrating moves and I feel like people come into her office and she sits in her wooden desk smoking a cigar, like dictating what people should do. It's just been like brilliant gameplay in my opinion.

And I know for those.

Out there who's like Mark is the real godfather, we know Michelle and Mark, I know they are two people. Okay, have be cular, but Michelle's been the godfather season. And so then we get to this week's daily challenge, right, and this whole new rule with chaos where it's like if you come in last you're out. There is no fanfare, there is no elimination, there is no voting, You're just gone.

That was just shocking to watch.

Yeah, I was like shit, because Michelle can lead anyone to do whatever because they are so close with her.

She the thing a Michelle.

People say like, oh, she can't be friends with everyone, but she takes the time and puts She has so much care for her friends, and like, she is a good friend. That's why she has so many She puts the energy, she puts the effort and outside the show. And I think that when she got eliminated or like when she lost, I was like, damn, like because Berno would do whatever Michelle wanted right for sure, And so I was like, but also I had Berna's back a

Still give her grace because I was like, okay, if Michelle likes her, there has to be some right positive something in there.

Nuris and Berna never got along though ever, like they like actually like did not like each other, and like they like got into it because Berna called Nursa bully at one point, Berna called Melissa bly, but she also did call Nurisa bull, so they did not like each other.

So I was like, shit, so Michelle's gone, Berna won. This could go a couple of ways.

I also knew that when Michelle was leaving and walking out, she said to Berna like, come on, like follow like all girls final, and and Berne's like okay, and she's like, I want to I.

Want to honor Michelle.

You know, have you heard her call her queen Michelle before? I want to honor Michelle's you know wish. And even before we got back on that bus to go back to the house, came up to me and she's like, I guess I pick you girls, And she literally said that to me my face, but she did say she.

Did say I don't want to make any.

Promises because you obviously saw what happened with Melissa andF gave her promises and then it just didn't work out, and then.

She freaked out.

So she tried to with that she was saving your room back from me freaking out on her. But like to be honest, I probably wouldn't have, but I just don't have better due to freak out on someone if they don't save me, like honestly, fuck off. But literally, like she did say right away, walked up to me and said, I think we can do this All Girls final, and then we went back on the bus, went back

He would have been picked last.

But let's be honest, like, who knows how would have happened if Narica she might have saved a who.

Knows exactly because these things don't. But that's like the risky part. But the brilliant on the production side of this sort of element of the game. But that's the risky part is you can strategize all you want, but now it's not just about numbers, Like you lose control the.

Minute you say someone else's name.

And I kind of understand Burne's point because like watching this we do, I love this all girls thing. I'm like, yes, But I also understand Berna's side, which is like, some of these girls didn't have my back necessarily, and so I don't know about saving all of them.

Well yeah, and honestly, like what Berna says, it makes total sense, like like it makes total sense if someone has your back from the beginning, like and you have the option to save all of them easily, Like I get it. But if she's wanting to think like because this is also a game intermixed with real life, it's just not normal. Yeah, she doesn't have as much of a chance to be unwell or jay in a final.

As opposed to my ass that's barely running.

Like so it's like and we knew, you know how sometimes in the house you just know when the finals happening in your life and there maybe another challenge.

No, we knew it was gonna happen. He knew it was happening.

So it was just like, dude, the finals tomorrow and you have the option to get rid of three strong competitors. If not you winning, Colleen wins or one of the girls win. Me and the girls were all good, so it was really only the only thing that was really like, I'm gonna ruffle Berna's feathers is nourice, but like, who cares that point? Let the freaking bendaa go for a day and just go to the final with all girls, you know, Like that's how I think, but I can't tell.

I mean, I can see that.

But but also with them being real friends in the are friends in real life, it's kind of like outside of this game, as much people want to say it's just a game, it's like, yeah, my best friend I'm gonna be I may not be talking to these other girls outside the game, right, but I'm still going to be talking to you. So ultimately, I don't want to betray the person.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Devin talking to me right now.

Yeah, actually it is me, Driga side talk to Daybo. We have these conversations all the time. But no, but it's also true, No, you're.

So right, But but Bernard wasn't friends with anyone outside the show.

Ah, but not even a man. Well, no, dude, a.

Manuel almost threw her in the second elimination. He was so down to say her name.

For the rest he stop, No, No, I mean yeah, now it looks like it.

And honestly, I'm kind of like, damn, like they really do look like best friends. But no, he would have said her name at least the beginning of the at the beginning of the season, halfway before everything, he would have said her name.

Yeah.

I definitely thought yeah.

And also and.

By the way, so so would have a stop, would have as well just say.

I because I want to get into Jay and Maurice right this this friendship is duo. What do you say, five years they had been friends, what do you think actually happened?

Good question?

What happened was that? Honestly, at this point, me and the research is on the outs.

You know, everyone was kind of looking at us and now looking back, I'm like, damn, like how like how fucked up? Because everyone's just party having fun thinking that like I don't know, just knowing that they're going to be safe, right, and Jay's over here like being like I just don't know how it's gonna go. Jay You've been running the game the entire season. What do you mean you don't know how it's gonna go. You could literally have burnas say your name Jay and say the

Part in like my quick decision, obviously not hurting him anyone.

And in this moment, I was just kind of looking at him as I'm sitting on the couch and I'm kind of like WHOA, Like.

This is not who I. This is not my friend I thought I had.

And because I knew he would question me sometimes and that's fine. But when I started started seeing him question Maurice a little bit, I was like, wait.

What but I will say.

Jay said I was his number two girl on the show so many times to me, he always like girl, live, you know my girl.

We talked for hours every day. We were like like we He's like live you.

Know, I always have your back, you know, always have your back and so I took that for face value, I guess, And so I started seeing him talk about Nourice and kind of like be iffy whether he could save her. I was kind of like, Jay, don't make the same mistake I did. I'm living with it right now and it sucks. Do not make the same mistake I did. And He's like, no, I know, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. And I was like okay, because, like and I said, if it comes down to it,

Obviously lash back to her saying.

That, yeah, but like she's allowed to yeah, a moment exactly. And also Colleen did start it, because they also flashed back to that.

Yes, exactly, exactly exactly, So so she's a lot of her feelings in that moment too, and also maybe it was like a little heated moment. She felt comfort and calling because like I said, look at Colleen and her talking, they were closer than it seems.

So so I'm like, listen, if Jay's the last person picked.

The final like literally the next day, like he doesn't give a fuck about Mariah, he doesn't give a fuck about Colleen, he doesn't about any of these people.

I'm sorry he doesn't.

Yeah, and it's like just tak it. So she think it was crocodile tears.

Then when he was crying, oh hundred percent, one hundred percent, I mean, I mean no, listen, no, I think that he was definitely sad.

I think he was similar in the situation.

Of like, holy shit, we really thought we outsmarted the system by hopefully having Colleen pick her because because you heard even Jay, they showed Ja saying Colleen picnories and Colleen didn't, and so Colleen, I think, was just.

Like, I don't know whatever. So it was our fault, putting her fate in someone else's hands. That was the most fucked up thing, but the whole thing.

But yeah, the next week, he still didn't is sort of exactly.

And I wouldn't have said crocodile tears if this didn't happen, because how can you be so And.

Also he watched me. He came in the room, He's like, love, don't be stressed out. It's just a game. Like I'm they don't show this. I'm in my room the whole next two days. Roy, I don't cry. I know this season I looked like a big baby, but I'm not really a crier.

And I was just destroyed because I was like, oh my god, like because I didn't know about the call from her family.

Yeah, situation, Yeah.

Yeah, okay, we can't let you go with that. Yeah yeah, I was.

Going to cha, Yeah, what do you have to say about that?

Because he said that you said some pretty nasty things about her.

Yeah, I mean I actually don't know everything that that apparently was said, because I was just like because I think it was only two things that were said, but like still those things are not great. But I wish that Nourice came to me immediately so we could have squashed it and been like whoa, dude, like.

Have you and Therese talked about it at all, like are we yeah, yeah, so you.

Guys have yes.

So in the house after she came back, and she's like, I honestly like kind of knew this is gonna happen because remember that one day I came to and I was crying, saying everyone in the house is fake. And I was like yeah, and I was there being like, girl, don't let it get to you. Da da dad, like

I started getting hurt.

In return because I was like, whoa, So you kind of almost had this in the back pocket waiting for me to mess up, and that really hurt me, and I don't.

Think that was the intention, but that's why.

Yeah, yeah, because yeah, it came from her family. Like of course, if you hear something from your family who you assume is kind of looking at out for you, you're good. I think she was giving you the benefit of the doubt initially.

Really yeah, but but I I just, yeah, totally.

I just wish that it would have just came out maybe sooner, Yes, so we could have squashed it, because it hurts me to know how hurt she was now just everything piling on, all all the things that she didn't believe.

And she was I don't really quick Apple's advocate. Okay, I don't live devil, yes, but Apple's adicate advocate. So what you're saying you felt hurt with by Nourice, right that Nourice heard this information, didn't tell you, you didn't know about it, right or whatever, And you're like, hey, we're friends.

I wish you'd just come and talk to.

Me about it at the very least, and then you, guys, maybe could have of course corrected or whatever else, you know what it may be like, who knows, but you could have Do you think if you feel like you and Teresa were good friends. I'm not saying do or don't do, but similarly, maybe it is one day worth a conversation, right, so that you can get it all out there and clear. If you guys feel you had

Yeah. No, you're so right. I think.

Because she was told this kind of sooner on in the game. I don't know if it's just me and I'm like kind of looking back and being like, oh, but I felt like she kind of definitely the energy shifted towards me as a friend in the game early. And so that's when she was with the roster every day. I mean her never hung out. We never really talked

So I started almost maybe internalizing that.

I was like I'm not good enough to be her friend or maybe we really aren't friends. And so that also, I think made me feel a little bit distant from her.

But it still is not my.

Reasoning for what happened. But I do think that is something that was in my radar, you know.

And so she told me. It almost came to a head where I was.

Like, oh my god, is this why you've been kind of being like, you know, strange towards me?

And then she says no because she didn't believe it. But I don't know.

I personally felt like there was an energy shift. If there wasn't, then I'll only I can decide that because it's energy, right. But yeah, but I don't think she meant anything by it. So it's list at the end of the day, it's.

Nothing is her fault. Her nothing is her fault.

But also you know, I have feelings too, and I have my It's just like I have to speak on that.

Who are you rooting for now?

In the house? Like who would you say? So now we're gone, who do you want to win?

My guy? Would you want to win? And what girl would you want to win?

I literally want Maurice to win. That's it. No one else, m literally, no one else.

He is the only person I'd want to win because thinking about it now, even just like because I because I made that move and screwed over Maurice, right, I kind of just have honed in on that for so long and not really thought about what people treated me like, and I'm like, damn, like, no, none of those people had my back at all. Yeah, and obviously watching the show, you're like, Olivia, no, none of the people have your back.

But in that's why I asked sort of like, would you go to the other cause I do feel like, you know what you said about Kyland earlier, right, Yeah, Like Kyland does seem like a pretty straightforward loyal guy, right, like he's going to play a game and done it out. But he's pretty much like what you see is what you get vibe.

And I do think if you were on that side, I feel like if they had said, hey, Olivia, you're our number two or whatever that like you could take that to the great kind of vibe.

No, I could have one hundred percent yes, because out of everyone that was there, Kylyn's the only one that said that, which, honestly, that was kind of a big deal.

I'm not a big deal as.

Far like I said, I want to make sure I'm not looked us trying to be a hero in this moment. But it was a mistake and I really fucked up, and I wanted to change it immediately. No one, no one has really had my back on it. So I appreciate Curylyn a lot for that, you.

Know, shout out to Kylin before we wrap this thing on up and get on the bout of here.

Is there anything that you want to say to the fans or any of your fellow challengers before we go like this it's uninterrupted the Olivia Show.

Is oh God that you would like to say?

Yeah, I guess I would like to say, like, I've already done this a million times, but you know, one more can't hurt. I want to publicly everyone that's listening to a public apology to Nerice, Erossio and Kyland.

They're all amazing competitors.

And they all did not deserve the way things went down, and I think that they deserve all the flowers are getting from you guys, so keep them coming. I also think that people that are maybe even Jay, even Jay, he's human, you guys, and I'm not trying to make like this like peace speech, but y'all have to be careful what you say to people, Like you never know what someone's going through in the real life, and people make mistakes.

Ours is just on a TV show that gets people.

To be able to publicly criticize and what may be a mistake in real life that could have gotten you know, blown over in two seconds. Now, when people feed people's emotion, it can kind of last longer and get blown out of the portion at some points.

And we're all human, We're all just trying to figure it out, you know.

And I think everyone needs to have grace with everyone and listen.

I'm not a bad person. I swear like.

I made a bad decision, but me and Urice, I will say, we have talked since the show and we're not.

She just went live and I know that. You know, Narice' is all spicy.

We all know this spicy.

She can get retriggered from things. I think the episode really retriggered her. But she Someone sent me a clip saying, like everyone's saying me and Olivia are not good.

We are not good.

I'm like, okay, well that's news to me because we did talk, and then even at the reunion we did hang out for a little while. It wasn't obviously like bff's, but it was enough to be I think missing each other. I also have heard from other castmates that she said that she has like missing me, and she like like she thinks that we could be friends again.

I just need to do, you know, the work of reaching out.

More and trying to talk through everything, which I'm so willing to do. But I do think it's a little bit hard when when I feel like I'm over here trying. I'm not trying, trying to not be as defensive as I possibly can, because I just that doesn't work for anyone. But it is hard when I feel like I'm getting kind of a hate train lead on me, and it's deserve.

It's deserved. I mean, no one deserves hate. I will say that. But the mistake is definitely there. I'm owning it. I know it is a mistake, and I just hope that.

I hope that, I hope me and the rees can be friends again, maybe if at the same level, at least be friendly and cordial with each other. On my end, I don't see her any different obviously, If anything, I see her as more of a superhero.

So it's just going to be.

You know, me just staying, just keeping her, I guess in my eyes as the same person I've always known, and maybe one day she'll see me as that or at least, if not half of.

That, because it takes time, time all wounds in most infections. So yeah, if you got space, keep it.

You give it space, and all you can do is work to be the best version of you.

And you're right. I love what you said. Everyone's human. This is a TV show, and it is important to remember that we have our opinions. It's fun to you know.

It's why we say here on the podcast, like, yeah, we will criticize the hell out of your gameplay this season, but the next season we start from scratch, right, like we don't.

You know, we may love.

Something you're doing, we may hate something you're doing, but it's not indicative solely of the person, because it's it is you can't they're not always one and the same.

So thank you for sharing.

I hope that you take away from this You probably won't right now in the storm, but that you are one thousand percent enough, You're a thousand percent enough on the last season you were on. You were one thousand percent enough when you got in that fight with that golf ball. I'm still mad about it. And every time I see a sling shot, I think of you. Just know know that you are good enough. Then you are good enough now when you come at every place in space you're in, you deserve to be there.

And don't thank you girls.

I appreciate you girls, because uh yeah, everyone's not as understanding.

So because we've been there.

And you can always hit us up.

If you want to hit us up, don't go to Davon's YouTube because you won't find her there.

But you know what hit us up.

You sliding our dms if you need a little pep talk or event like this two show pass and you're learning from it. So for those who do want to say nice things or keep up with your hair journey or just send you support, where can they find you?

On social they can find me. I mean they probably already found me at this point.

But Instagram is at Olivia and Kaiser, and TikTok is Olivia and Kaiser, and then Twitter I think is Olivia Kaiser xol but that might be deleted.

To with Chelsea yeah, yeah, those treets are rough. Thank you so much.

Thank you, of.

Course, of course I appreciate you guys.

Have a good weekend.

Shout out to Olivia for coming on. I'm so glad that she took the time. Look, sometimes people are intimidated.

To come on this podcast. I don't know why.

I mean, we don't ask questions at all, but I'm really I'm glad. I'm really glad to shame. I know you guys had a lot of questions. I know Beyonce, Janelle knows Carters. Internet was blowing up after after the last couple of weeks. So thank you to Olivia, Thank you you guys for listening. Hopefully that provided a little bit of clarity. Now, if people want clarity into what's going on in your life, Davon, we know they shouldn't go to YouTube, but where can they go YouTube?

Well, you can't go to YouTube, and.

You can find me at day find Diane over there. You can find me on Instagram at Davine Diane Underscore.

You can find me.

On the Twitter streets at day Davon Underscore. Now devinsimone dot com, where can the people find you?

You can buy me in Vegas cause that's where I am right now for our birthday week and the Super Bowl.

Go cheees.

But no, you can also find some behind the scenes stuff that I'll that I'm posting on my socials, which is at Devin Simone on Instagram. It's at devinsmone on TikTok, or you can go to my website devinsimone dot com.

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You'll see all my different social channels there. You can follow me on Amazon Live. Just google Devin Simone Amazon and it'll come up. Click the follow button. Sometimes I do fun stuff with our girl Natalie ne Grotti. And then once you've done all the follows, once you've connected with Day and I And by the way, we appreciate when you DM us and yes and all your observations. We love you guys so much and your quotes. It

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