Dancing on My Own w/ Kaycee & Kenny Clark

and Kenny Clark. Now, I know what you're thinking. You're probably thinking they haven't talked that much y'all season, But you know, when I'm involved, we're gonna ask them the questions and they actually we get to learn a lot and see a lot, and stay tuned for the end because we get to see a whole different side of Kenny. Also, it's a very, very very good episode. But first I'm want to dive into what happened this week. Now, I don't know about y'all, but I know when it ended,

I sat there with my mouth wide open. I was like, TJ has done a lot of diabolical thing. TJ has done a lot of questionable things, but this right here. You can't tell me you saw that. When they showed Kenny walking back up, I was like, like, I thought the episode was supposed to be over. So I'm like, waiter, they're gonna shore like a blooper or you know whatever. When they were like, oh, you thought the game was over, just wild like rounds of applause. So good. This was

so good. This is better than when Jinshaw got arrested on Housewives. This was so so good. I'm just gonna say it right there. I'm so excited to see what is coming in the upcoming episodes for that very reason. I think. You know, there's a lot of nominees for the gold Star of the Week. One of those nominees is Antonio Banderis. I mean, just his vibe, that voice, that like everything about it. So that's pretty cool. It

was cool, Okay, so he's a nominee. Another nominee for gold Star of the Week is actually Devin's political game because watching him in the interrogation room with such sort of it almost felt like he came with the sense of humility. Now I'm not talking about when he did the interview, all right, I'm just talking about face value when he's sent across from the winning team, okay, and he's like saying, I'm being transparent with you, and he's like,

I respect your decisions. I mean even I for a moment was like, okay, death all right, and then we see him an interview and he's like, yeah, I'm just being neo. I'm ducking and dodged in these answers, like you know, Nelson dodges responsibility for voting Olivia in. And so I applause to you, Devin, because that was some a plus political game. Well played, sir, But I think the ultimate gold Star is going to have to go to my man TJ. All Right. I don't have any

commentary on his wardrobe this week. It was all right, I'm not really the plaid shirt. Let me know in the comments how you feel about it. But I was kind of questionable. But his plot twist on this season is just wee like, very good, very well thought out. I'm cited to see not only if we get to see Kenny you really come back in the game, but like, what happens how do you put the pairs back together now that you split them up. I also like secrets, so I like that. Nobody else in the house knows

that this is happening. That's really great. Now let's talk about the Time Out of the Week, all right. So Time Out of the Week. There are some nominees here, Okay. One of them is my man, Jordan. I know some people to clarify, by the way, for the people that have tweeted me saying I only ride for the Vets, that is not true. I take it on a case by case basis. Or for those who may think that I only ride for my girls, Tour and Anissa because we are family, we are indeed family, but I will

hold their feet to the fire like anyone else. I don't love how Jordan is handling this whole the Reese thing. I feel like it's definitely personal and like he's trying to kind of get back at Tory maybe for her, like you know, hookups with Emanuel and spies, lies and allies. We talked about that on Aftermath. If you didn't see it, go look it up on YouTube. So he gets a nominee for being the Time Out of the week. Who else gets a nominee for being Time Out of the Week.

Let me think, honestly, I think it might just be him yeah, you know what. I feel like everybody else was on semidecent behavior. Yeah, the water gets a nominee for timeout, and the water doing Nannie like that when she fell into the water. Not cool. The water didn't cooperate. Didn't love that. But I'm gonna have to say that Jordan gets the time out of the week just for his handling of the neurice thing. I think it's messy. It's they're hinting out us that it's gonna get messier.

It is not great. Honorable mention goes to the editors. I know we don't always talk about it behind the scenes, but the way they showed Nelson trying to say his the bark and the dog and the dog and the bark, the bark and the dog's a dog in the bark. They just playing Nelson this season and it's actually quite hilarious. So thank you guys for that. This episode was so good. I'm excited to get into it now. I know. The

actual combat a piece was not particularly riveting. We had two teams, one team that was obviously gonna win and one team that at least showed up, which we always appreciate a team that shows up, but what went on after the fact was very good. And again that plot twist was a twist for life. So you're not gonna want to go anywhere. It's a very special episode. I appreciate you guys rocking with me. Like I said, my

girls are gonna be back very very soon. But grab a snack, but don't go anywhere and get prepared to see a whole new side of Casey Clark and her brother Kenny Clark when we come back after this. All Right, I am so excited to have this dynamic duo on the podcast. Probably one of the most celebrated I mean, I'm gonna say the most celebrated, probably one of the very few brothers sister teams in Challenge history. Please give it up for the incomparable Casey and Kenny Clark. What's

up you guys, Welcome to the podcast. Thank you here. Okay, I have to know this is the most pressing question that I'm sure everyone wants to know, um and of this whole interview are because you guys have multiple siblings, right, It's not just the two of you or is it just the two of you? Yeah? Are they all k names? Is it all Casey? All the way around noses. Okay, you're the only king. I didn't know if there was a theme going on or what. And what's the age

difference between the two of you guys? What are the like? Sixteen sixteen months? Okay, So we're pretty close me and my brother were you know, we have the same mom and dad and we have you know, we have two younger twin brothers that you know, they have a different mom and then older siblings that have different dads. So we're the only ones that have the same mom and dad. But um, so we've been Yeah, we're super super close

sixteen once apart. And yeah, and it shows watching that. Kenny, what when you first got the call or found out that you might be coming on this show? Yes, I see it all in your face, like please walk this through. You know, did they call you directly to Casey bring it up to you, like what was going on in that momentum? So Casey got the call first, obviously, and it wasn't a for sure thing. It was like maybe you know, they might be doing this, it might be

doing that. So obviously when I got the call from Casey, I was at work and made it sound like super important and I was flipping out, and I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. Of course I want to go on the show. Of course I want to go freak and compete. So I was pumped. I was jack sideways excited and I couldn't wait to tell you I could. I was like, oh this, I can bring a sibling on. Let me let me call my brother.

And I was so excited because I know you'd be so pumped yea, And it was just I was so excited to tell you. Was there ever a moment of worry, Casey, because you know what goes on in this show, you know, the craziness and sort of I think the challenge that's not always spoken about. That's a part of the challenge is not just like the physical you know and sort of mental, but the emotional of what it's like being in that capsule, that environment. Was there ever a moment

that you were a little nervous to tell Canny? Yes, okay, all right, so yeah, walk us walk us through that. Yes, because it's like, I know the environment, you know, I've been doing this for a while now, and what people don't see, you know, watching it. So my brother watches me every season. He doesn't fully understand like what I have to go through emotionally mentally, and I'm like, damn, do I really want to bring my brother into this hot mess? Right? You know? I was, yeah, pressure cooker,

so I was a little hesitant. But at the same time, I do know my brother is very mentally strong and you can handle his own. So I'm like, if I were to bring in like a fa amily member, he would definitely be the first choice because I know he would be able to handle it. He's great with people. But at the same time, he doesn't he doesn't know exactly how mentally toughness is. And and then there was a part of me like, you know what, I can't wait for you to come on here and see what

big Sis had to go through first. Yeah, for a few years. So um, it was bittersweet for sure, But I know that he wanted, you know, he was excited to do something like this, and I just couldn't wait for him to experience it, because definitely experience of a lifetime, that's for sure. Kenny did uh Casey or your soon to be sister in law, Nanny. I'm just going off speculation. I don't know any Insight team. But I'm just gonna

put that out there. Did they give you any PEP talks before you actually like hit the ground over there, like and and if so, what were like kind of two takeaways from their advice? That's a interesting question. Um yeah, I mean, they for sure gave me some PEP talks on you know, what to expect, how crazy it's gonna be, how draining it will be emotionally, mentally, physically. Um so, two things that came to mind. I mean it was just basically trust nobody, Trust nobody. I don't know what

else was there. I mean it was just basically he didn't listen to y'all's advice. He didn't do anything. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's dive into this episode because this episode, I mean, we were saying before we got on the podcast. Obviously, I've seen the show, been on the show, watch many episodes because of the Aftermath podcast all that stuff. Challenge fan.

I can't recall the last time I got to the end of an episode and my mouth literally dropped, Like I actually feel like my we've slipped a little bit, Like I just sat there like t J, No, you didn't and Kenny, you played a big role in that. We're gonna get to that piece in a few minutes. But it was just wow, epic. But let's take it back to the beginning of this week because this is the first week that we see the official teams like in action. Right, what was the energy like in the

house once teams had been chosen? Damn these heart this is like forever. God, I'm trying to remember, shim say that again. What was the energy like? You know, I can see the last time I interviewed you, you we were learning about how you fell asleep at the strip club the night before, and you said on the aftermath, couch quiet as hell while everybody talked you were not going. You should know by now. Okay, they don't call me Dwindy Williams. Actually Davon calls me that. So shout out

to Davon for nothing. This is gonna be a real interview, Okay. So the question was what was the energy like in the house once these teams had been formed, because obviously, even if it's a little bit, the dynamic had to shift somewhat, right, like just because you're you're now playing against the person. Yeah, I mean it was it was.

It was interesting because it's like, I mean, I once saw this coming and now we're in the house and I'm on a completely different team from my brother and my girlfriend, you know, both on another team and we're going against them, and it's it's it's weird. But in this game, it was like you gotta expect the unexpected, you know, it's all about yeah, look here I am going against my damn ride or die and my girlfriend. So it was it was interesting. It was different. I

mean that's how I felt it was. But yeah, yeah, I mean it was it was super unexpected. We didn't know what was going to happen. We knew something was going to happen, maybe teams, maybe individual we weren't sure. But uh yeah, it's super weird going against the person that you know, your your your ride or die. Um, So it was interesting, but we're I mean, we're up

for it. So did you guys have the sort of three of you because you guys are in a really unique position here this season because like you said, see you kind of you have two family members effectively in this game. So you have Kenny, you have Nannie. Did you guys continue to hold strategy ish conversations at all like the three of you, even though you were on opposing teams or did you kind of once the teams were decided to go, okay, let's just not really talk

game from this point forward. I mean it was more of like, hey, let's protect each other as much as possible. Yeah, and it also too, it came down to like, even though you know they're two separate teams, people were still using their relationships on the opposite team as and like, how can we still work together? How can we still keep each other in the game. So of course, like you know, I was never ever going to go against my brother or Nannie and be like vote the men.

You know, you guys are a target live, so it's kind of like, um, it was kind of like in a advantage as you know, at the same time, you know, having two people that I fully trust on the opposite side. Yeah, you know, you were definitely winning this episode. Um. You also pulled out all the emotions which were also going to get to you. We saw the most arguably we've seen from Casey in many seasons. So I'm excited to delve into your emotional side. I feel like every season

I'm always crying. No, but this one you did cry, but this one would hit different. I don't know what it was. I do you know what it is. It's because me and my brother are only family sibling, right, right, And yeah, it's it's different. Right. It's not just someone that we met or someone that we were doing the season with. This is my blood that I grew up with since I was a you know, a baby. So it's kind of like it's different. It hits different. And and when you play this game, it seems like it's

it's real life. It becomes your normal, right, and so it's like it's it's just so unique and different and weird. I've done, you know, so many things with my brother in life and then to now play this game and like, you know, feeling like that you know him leaving, it's

just it's it's it just hits different. It was so beautiful to see, like, I you walking down there all swag tastic like, which I love you, like sort of did like a little skip to the step and then you did like a little swag walk you know, out saying he did. And then I'm like, oh, she's gonna play this cool. And then when you hugged Kenny, it was just seriously, one of the most beautiful moments. You could feel. You could just feel the love and Kenny

a testament to you. I mean, I don't know that I've ever seen TJ describe someone as like the sweetest as sweet period, but let love. Yeah. And I mean during the the hug where where you know I was leaving, I was so emotional that I couldn't say anything. Now, I kind of couldn't speak the only words I get it, Yes, that is like I love you or you know, like whatever. It was just like I was just so emotional that it was really special. It really was so beautiful to watch.

And it's It's sort of one of those things because Casey sometimes flies under the radar when it comes to social and gameplay. I think sometimes, you know, fans watching it's that Casey doesn't really make waves in that way, so people are like, no one wants to mess with me, okay, or that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing now. I am saying the fact that you were falling asleep on the aftermath couch because you were at the strip club the night before our interview last season, is a

bad thing. But I'm not saying something but when you do show up, you do bring all the fields and all the emotion and really connect with viewers because certainly, like when you went up against Nannie that time, like, oh that was a heartbreaker as well. So some of the best emotional moments come from Kate. You just kind of like you do exactly what you did when you ran into the zone a hug, can't you do like a little skip and a step and then you swagger out in the emotion part and then you go, you

saunter back to your I'm efficient with my time. Okay, there we go. There we go. You were efficient one hundred percent efficient with your time. Now, let's talk strategy about this daily challenge. So when you arrive and you're looking at it, did the teams instantly huddle? Did the Pink team sort of automatically go, oh, yeah, we got this, Like what what was the energy that you two fell

in there? I mean, being on the smaller team, we obviously had a huge disadvantage size wise, so we knew that we need to bring more strategy than than we couldn't strength, So we were trying to figure out like who should match up with who, and then who should go first? And stuff like that. So I came up with the idea like, hey, like Bessy's probably gonna win against anybody, and you guys have the like, it doesn't make sense for me, being the smallest guy, to waste

one of our chances. So that was a strategy, was I'm gonna, I'm gonna take Bessie just to take that loss so we at least have a chance. Smart. Yeah, that was very smart. Did you even Okay, I don't mean it. It was gonna come out shady. I'm gonna just say it now, Kenny, but I don't mean it that way. Did you actually because that was your strategy, did you actually try and fight against Bessie or did you kind of go, I'm gonna just let him push me off because I know that, like my strategy is

just for him to use up. Of course, in my mind, like I'm I'm kind of crazy. I think that I'm I'm you know, I have a chance. I'm gonna I'm gonna pull this off. And then I go up there and then one second and look, I was rooting for you too when they were doing the OTF Kitty, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, wait a minute, is this the upset moment? Like wait a minute, maybe, like

Kenny pulls out some fit work. And then when Bessie was talking about it in his interview, he kind of had like a smile on his face as he was recounting it, And I'm like, nah, he's smiling a little too much, right, And I've gotten beat by Kenny. So I'm guessing this maybe goes the other way. But that was very very smart. Casey. What was you alls strategy on your team? Um? Well, we knew we had the

bigger body team, and we knew that that. You know, they were gonna the other the girls we're ever gonna trying to figure out like who they're gonna go against. For some reason, nan Eat thought that why I was just gonna go against her and just give her that eat. You know, well because she knows that I'm not gonna like hurt her or what exactly. Actually, yeah, that maybe we put Nannie against Casey so that she feels bad.

Yeah I wasn't. I would feel bad. I think we would be standing up there all all day if I had to go against her. Um, but Mariah didn't expect me to go against her, so um, yeah, I ended up going against Brash. She was the biggest one on their team. And were you allowed to make a switch, so like, would you've been allowed to see, Oh you could. Yeah, we can make a decision on based on whoever they you know, put up. We can be like, okay, so

and so I was gonna go against this person. So when Maria said Okay, I'm going first, we pre planned that, you know, I was gonna go against her, and Mariah wasn't expecting that. And you know why wasn't Mariah expecting that? Well, they thought I was gonna go against Nanni. That's what they just assume that you would have got board, well because we were kind of talking about it in the beginning before going on and just kind of like but we kind of were trying to keep them on their toes,

so they didn't couldn't plan. So you're saying, you played Nannie. Okay, Casey, I hear you, I hear you. All right, Yeah, you played you played the emotion card a little bit, all right, I got you got to choose who goes first, like that they chose Mariah first, and that Casey's team got to choose whoever they went, So that was the only strategy that you had. Yeah, you get to choose who

goes first. They should have waited for Mariah um and waited until the return, but they didn't really have the strategy, just like you up there. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know. It was interesting. A lot of us, I mean a lot of them happened a lot faster. A lot of people flew off a lot faster really than what ith Who went off the fastest, went off the fastest? Well

the editors did you? Well, can you at least because at least looked like for about half a second when we see Nanni take that devastating fall, right, what instantly like what was the energy? And he talked about it a little bit too casey on the episode, but can you just recount kind of like, what were the emotions that were going through your mind when you saw her

floating in the water? Um? This I had, I went through all the emotions for real because it I was like my mind completely just went out of the game and into real life. Right, So it was it went on a lot longer than obviously the show whatever the show showed. But it was I felt so helpless, I really did, and I felt like, you know, I was like not even thinking about the game like a game

of course, and it was his real life. I'm looking at my girlfriend literally down at the water and I'm literally like yelling, screaming, like get her out the water, get out the water, and just like all these things. I'm worried because she's just literally laying there like in the cold ass water, and I'm like, what is going on? And I almost jumped off the platform and I was about to go, you know, and it was just there were so many emotions running through my head. I was like,

what the hell's happening? Like this is you know, at the game, Like my girlfriend is literally laying there right now. Somebody needs a helper. And it was scary. It was super scary because she had a bad fall and she wasn't moving and I felt like I'm just literally staring at her from top and I'm just like it seemed like just minutes we were just going past, you know, passing by. I'm like, somebody needs a help her. It

was scary. Did she hit the because because obviously Nanny being a vent in this game and a badass and you as well, many of us have taken a tumbo off platform, you know, like in events like this, So what do you think was different here? Like did she fall weird? Did she hit something on the way down? Like what do you think happen? I feel like, well, with this whole heights over water, I always end up falling, falling in and like hurting myself some kind of way

because like you can't really control your landing totally. Yeah, We're we're wrestling above water, and you know, you just don't know how you're gonna land because we're wrest and um, she just hit it, you know, the wrong way and knocked the wind out of her or something. And but it looked like I literally I thought she broke her neck because I'm looking at it floating just like dude, and her eyes were just like rolling behind her, you

know head and I'm just like, oh my goodness. But it's just like it's hard to control your fall when you're falling into the water after wrestling, you know and gear on and all that stuff. Yeah, when we saw her get into the ambulance, it looked like she was trembling. Was she shaking because of the fall or was it just freezing cold that day? Also? Um, I believe it was all of it. The water was cold, and she was in there probably much longer than she should have been.

You know, her body was just in shock, and so, you know, it was it was scary. It was, it was super scary. Yeah. I mean at that point, I was like, get me off this damn platform and take Yeah, how was I'm saying? I believe I think this was it was after my turn or oh yeah, I already went so um. I mean honestly, I was just checked out. I was like, I don't care, Just give me off this damn platform, and I need to make sure she's good because I really could care less about this damn game. Yeah.

So um yeah, I just became real life real quick for sure. Well, we're glad that Nan is okay. Came back in the house. In true Nanni fashion, I will say this, I was too nice. Um. I once had to come back into the house after going missing because Nanni got in a fight with Camilla, and I came back into the house excited and full of energy, and no one even noticed I was missing. Um, So, Nanni, at least they were there excited for you, and we're so glad that you are doing okay, because you are

very very left real quick. You know, when she walked in the house and she was all bubbling everything, I was like, yeah, you're very cheery, right. She has no idea how bad her faull was. She has no idea yelling and going crazy and getting all emotional. She didn't. I was literally going crazy. She didn't know any of that was going on. So when she came in the house like all cheering stuff, I'm like, wow, she really doesn't know how bad it was. She does because she

doesn't because did she like black out? So she didn't even really remember. She fat she didn't remember. She didn't. She didn't remember any of that in show. It's just like I was so confused. I was like, you really don't know how bad this was, right right? It's either that or what happy juice did they give you. She came back and she's like all right, I'm ready to go out, and they're like, no, you gotta stay here. That we stayed in that night, that is so wild. Well,

I'm glad that she's okay. Um came into the house a full of energy. Now after Team Yellow lost, what was the vibe the next day around deliberations like, it seems like you guys were very confident that both teams were very confident that the losing team essentially would get to decide the second person that would be going into the zone. It was all speculation, like we had no idea if there was going to be a draw, we had no idea if there was gonna be a call

out or wrote like, it was just all speculation. And I'm sure they were talking about all different angles and yeah, good idea. Yeah, because we were just like, oh man, maybe they'll maybe it'll take the Daggers out, maybe the halfway through, but the Daggers. Every time we showed up to the zone, we're like, oh man, these Daggers are so fired. There's no way they're gonna let go these

Daggers yet. So yeah, it was just so like it literally kept us on our toes every time we walk into the zone and we're like, yes, this is the best part the Daggers. So yeah, there's a high chance of you know, still seeing the Daggers, and we expected that. I love that. I also loved a how Casey you really shout out your brother every time you could, even in moments where you knew that maybe he wasn't seen

as the strongest player. Like I loved how you were like, well, you know, Kenny's the baddest, so like where and Kenny, I love that you went in and acknowledge that you're the baddest in deliberation or interrogation. And then you also though volunteered yourself in. When did you decide that you were going to do that? And had you told anyone else on your team at that point? No, I did not tell anybody else on my team. I knew that I wasn't you know, I had the least amount experience

at that point. Prosser had three eliminations already, I had zero. Obviously, Devon and Jordan have a ton of experience, so I knew that I was the smallest guy and the least experience. I'm probably gonna go in. So I'm gonna go in. Maybe there was a chance that I can get a call out where if I'm voted in, I get to choose who I was going up agains because we didn't know if the Diaggers was gonna be a play again, so I just thought, hey, you know, I'm probably gonna

go in. Might as well see if I can get some control of who I have a chance to choose, right, Casey, what was it like to be in you know, interrogation and hear all the other girls sort of you know, defending or protecting their ride er dies on the other side. Did you feel a certain type of way with that? No, I mean, as they should. I'm really good with like differentiating game and personal you know what I'm saying. Like, you know, so people know that you know, No, it

doesn't bother me. Um, you know, I'm not like blind to you know, what's going on in the game. So um, no, I didn't. It didn't hurt my feelings, you know. And then for my brother to the way he handled himself, like in the interrogation, I was like, yep, that's right. You know. My brother is very good, you know, and he's smart. You know, he's smart even though he's never played this game before, he knows. He's also not blind to what's going on. So, um, he handled it very well. Yeah,

you definitely did handle it very well. Kenny. How did it feel watching Amber and Mariah and your team sort of talk about sending you in. Did you have any inclination that that was happening? Oh? I mean I mean to me, it was it was obvious. You know that I was the smallest guy at least experience, So I knew that they wanted to obviously keep their team stronger. You know, I mean our team is wrong? Um so, I mean, yes, I don't see. Yeah, he's still there,

m so. But no, they weren't talking about, you know, publicly, like, hey, we want to put you in Kenny, I can do that. So, I mean, well, sometimes people sometimes people do are upfront. Sometimes people are not. Everyone is a snake on the show, Kenny, just most, but not everybody. Trust no one. You trust me, I believe you know, some people the streets be talking. Casey definitely has a social game. She comes from Big Brother. We know how we feel about Big Brother. People watch them.

We've got to watch them because you never got a backstabber Big Brother person. Okay, and everyone knows that. Yeah, that's exactly what Big Brother people say to keep you off their tracks. That's all I'm gonna say. You didn't watch my Big Brother season. I didn't. I didn't. I definitely didn't. But I but I still I still rock

with you. I still love you. I would trust you if I were in that Challenge House because I do think that they they say trust no one, but I think there are a few people that you can trust. So Devin's part of the big brother in lines. Now, oh well, thank you. I mean I am Davon's partner in crime. So I feel like by association, although do know that I am real world for life. Got to hold down real world Brooklyn. Um, so we need to take a quick break, but hold tight because when we

come back, we've got so much more. Okay, let's play a mini game up who would you trust in the house? So I'm going to tell you names I would trust, and then I want to hear from you guys if you're like, yes, thumbs up that person's trustworthy in this game, or thumbs down without giving away any spoilers. Okay, so I trust Casey. I trust Nannie because I've done games with her before. I trust Nannie in the house. I definitely don't trust Nelson at all. Do you guys trust Nelson?

I trust Nelson, but he I love Nelson so much. Um, I do trust him. I feel like he's easy to read, He's easy for him to lie. That's probably fair, That's really fair. Yeah, you're telling himself, he would tell he wouldn't be trying to be honest. Yeah, okay, Um, I trust Jordan. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think you could trust Jordan. I feel like he's, like Tori says, you know, he's a man of his word. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna lie to your face. Yeah I don't think so either. Um,

I don't trust Devon. Yeah, Devon's a wild card. I love him and he doesn't mean well. Um, but he's tricky and you stay on your toes with him. He's a mastermind. Like he's a mastermind. I trusted Devon a lot. Yeah. Wait, but do you still trust him now, Kenny? Because you said past tense, you said I trusted Devon? Do you still trust him? I trusted Devon a lot. Um, I still trust him because we had a great connection. He's

one of my closest friends on the show. And when the elimination night he went, he went up to me when no one was around, when no one was around, to us, right that. Yeah, I believe that. Um, he says, whatever happens tonight, just know that I got your your sister's back, I'm gonna look out for Oh that's sweet and I believe were manipulated one of the team, right, well, you know one of the season prior I gave him fifty thousand dollars. You did a long term play right there.

That isn't that is a long term play. Wait, so you still didn't fully answer the question, Kenny, do you still trust him in the game sense, not as him as a person, but like, now, would you trust him in the house? Yes? Or no? After watching how many connections he had in the house, it would be harder

to trust him, but I still would. But just knowing, like when it came to getting rid of someone on our team, I knew Devin would want to get rid of me, right, I trust me the word in the sense where he would if he gave me his word on something. Yeah, Benny, I would believe him. Yeah. I also understand like how he plays. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Cool, Okay, So that would go into the trust camp. I like that explanation. That makes sense. All right, let's see, um Amber,

I feel like I would trust Amber in the game. Casey, you're making faces? What are your thoughts? Pi? Um? So Amber? Oh man, you know, I absolutely love Amber outside the game and the game it can be super tricky, you know, because I know that, you know, we still try to fill each out, fill each other out every season, just kind of like where's her head at? And I know she just you know, just we just play two different games. And um, I really didn't talk to Amber too much

about game this season. So do you trust trust her in that? Or like would you look all right? Not not like fully trust? No, Okay, that's not full No, I wouldn't say. You know, it's hard for me to trust people in this game. Like if I trust nearly, that's this is a trust exert this is free therapy, Casey, it's a trust exercise for you trust and that's Nanny and Kenny and that's it. That's it. Oh, because that

was my next one. I was gonna ask do you trust because I know you guys have a tight relationship, so Bessie would because I wouldn't trust Bessie in the house, but would you would both of you trust Bessie in this game? I trust them, yeah, I mean I know how close they are literally call each other brother and sister. So okay, I trust Bessie. Yeah, as much as far as I can throw him. I'm just kidding there were

getting getting the petty kinny. I knew it existed. I knew. Yeah, okay, No, I know that they're so close that he would obviously do his best to look out for me. Yeah, okay when he can. Okay, that's fair, that's fair. All right, let's just round it out because it is. We obviously know you guys trust Nanni. Um And as I mentioned, I actually trust Night in the game. But let's talk about a partner real quick. Would you trust or did you trust Bananas in the game even after you guys

got moved into the teams, did you trust Bananas? I don't even think Nannie fully trusted him. Yeah, just like what do you see right when you see how people move in this game, like you really have to like take ship with the grain of salt. You kind of like see how someone plays and you're like, ah, you know, you know how they move. So, um, I don't fully trust him, you know, but you know, then again, he's partnered with Nanni, and you know she doesn't I know,

he doesn't fully trust him. She knows, you know, the kind of game that he plays. But I trust him a little bit because he has partnered with Nannie. You know, yeah, that's that's fair. I was surprised on how cool and awesome Johnny Bananas was really tell us more. Yeah. I thought, you know, with just past history and you know, taking the money and like sneakiness or whatever, I thought he was gonna be this like big villain on the show. But he was playing, you know, guitar and we're seeing

in a jam and he was just like really cool. Honestly, he was just like really cool. I was surprised, I thought, and I think um Mariah was surprised as well, because like, yeah, right, she's like stay away from that bananas. Guy would right to those bananas. Yes, Uh, he's like that. He really is. I mean, his reputation is huge in this house and in this game overall because he's been a round for you know, a million and a half years and has

a left sexual legacy. But he's actually a pretty He can be a very down to earth, like smart, chill guy. Like he voice echoes through the young house, I mean outside first out here in the morning, voice so hilarious. Well, you know, you know, the older you get, your hearing

starts to go. So you gotta talk about louder years old, But no Bananas is pretty cool speaking of how people make moves in this game in the house and sort of the personal aspect and the relationship aspect, like Mariah and Bananas and Nelson and Olivia, which I still I still and shout out to. Olivia actually DMed me the other day, um because she knows I ride for her and my disappointment in um her allowing Nelson to get

away with so much. Like, so Nelson is going to be my standard now when explaining relationships you don't want and I don't mean that, and that Nelson's not a good good partner overall, because I Nelly knows I love him. But Nelson in this game and the way he manages to vote people in is just wild. But that's that's another time. And it's like it's kind of like he's looking more towards like game. But they were hooking. But Casey, now you know, let's take it back to when you

and nan first got together. Now you cannot tell me even in the first couple of weeks, the minute you and Nannie snuggled under not even a full cover, even if you had half a blanket on that if you had voted her into like a zone arena. Blah blah blah. You can't tell me Nannie wouldn't have come after you. I know her. She would have. She would have cut my head off exactly. Um. I can't wait till I love Nelson. I can't wait till we have him on another couple in the house. That was I feel like

we're watching a build up. No spoilers, but I just feel like the last few episodes we've been kind of watching this thing start to get bigger. You guys know where I'm going with this, which is Tory and Jordan um dynamic in the house. Casey is making a face of this time listeners for sure, Casey, what tell me your thoughts around this whole Tory and Jordan thing with Maurice thing that's happening at the time. Oh man, I

mean you can you can feel attention. I mean you can feel attension, you know, And it's like I can't imagine, you know what, Jordan and Tory, you don't have to go through being in this house, not having having not seen each other for like a year and some change, and now coming to this pressure cooker and then I

don't know, it's just I feel for the man. But you can definitely feel attension I feel for Tory and having to like, you know, see that and be around that with you know, your whole ex fiance in there. I don't know, it's just it's definitely it's definitely a hard place to be and you know, to the kind of situation to be in. But um, yeah, I don't know. Did you guys hear you know, their arguments or disagreements around when she was yelling at them about cuddling with

therese mm hmm, yeah, a couple of them. Oh, there was multiples. I mean for the specific cuddling with nurse. Yeah, yeah, I was. I was. I was Tori's like like I was next to the Oh okay, you got it was like cuddling with with Tori, you know what I mean. And and and they were trying to figure out things. And then and then obviously it took a turn in Jordan's hanging out with Nourse and cuddling. And you know, Tori thought that they were like getting it in because

the walls are so small or so thin. Yeah, they were right next door. No, you could hear it hearing, like and so she thought they were Oh she heard the bed knocking, So we don't know, we don't know what that into, you know what I mean, It could have just been I don't know. I mean, yeah, the

security footage does. But yeah, okay, so that gives even more credence because on it, because we've talked about it on the podcast just a yes, how challenging it would be to watch your former fiance where clearly they both still have love for each other, like that's a parent right, The emotion they wouldn't be is emotionally involved if they didn't still care deeply for one another, but having to watch them with someone else, and it seemed a little

bit as a viewer what was interesting. So last week Davon I think and a Nisas sort of felt like maybe it even seemed like Jordan was trying to be vindictive with the nourice thing, and this episode it kind of seemed like it confirmed it. He mentioned something to the effect of like, oh, now you know what it feels like to watch your partner, you know, on national TV, or something to that effect. Casey, what are your thoughts

on that? Yeah, No, thousand percent, I feel like he was doing it in a way because he you know, he's you know, they obviously they still have love for each other, and I think this is not the place like hash shit out, you know. Um. And I feel that, you know, he was doing it in a way of just like being kind of like petty. I love Jordan, but yeah, same because he was hurt, you know what I'm saying, and so yep, and then what can I

do to you know, hurt her? And this would be his time to kind of like take a shot because it's their first season, you know, doing you know, different season together after not you know, for a while, and you know it's just not the right way to go about it. Yeah, Like it's kind of like having that common curtacy, you know, something that you you know, you've

had this whole life within this history. Like I just wouldn't feel right, you know, messing with somebody else in front of someone that you know, obviously you know there's still that love between them two. I don't know. Yeah, it's so yeah, so public. Yea, that was hard to watch. I mean, I think and too. We appreciate them and all of you guys for living authentically on this show.

I mean, if I ever want to say anything to Casey, it would be f you for making me cry watching the challenge, And I've cried now multiple times from watching these powerful moments that you've had where you kind of let us peek into just your feelings. Um, now let us get into this elimination and then this swag alicious

plot twist. So, Kenny, when you see what the competition is going to be in the zone, initial thoughts are you did your mind goes straight to construction worker, like you said in your interview, where you're like, Carassio's got this. I think he works in construction or were you like what are these tools? Like? What was your initial thought? A hammer? Um? Initially I thought that, like, hey, this is a pretty even playing field, right, I mean I

think that Rossio's faster, stronger. But in this, in this challenge, I thought that, hey, I could win this thing, you know what I mean, Like I actually have a chance. It's not just strength or speed, right, you know, craftiness and strategy and stuff like that, in efficiency and working well under pressure. So I thought I had you know, I thought I had a chance, and I'm going to do my best to win this thing. So how close did it actually get? Because watching it, it looked by

the end to be fairly close. How actually was it, Like what was the sort of time difference there? My strategy for the last wall of like unscrewing the bolts. I was trying to unscrew them all so that they're loose and then use my hands, But those bolts were freaking massive and super strong, super tight that the best strategy was to do one by one, and I didn't do that, So it was kind of close, but I

was probably a minute behind them. I mean, but it seems like you caught up then, that you least caught up with the other barriers, because initially it looks like he's sped through the drywall one, right, like he just kicked a few times and kind of sped through. But then towards the end you both were working on that last barrier, so it seems like you did do something right where you you gain ground to get to close. You know, I think it was it was pretty close.

It's just there was a lot of those bolts, and I mean I couldn't tell during obviously, right right. I just it seems like he's ahead by based off of what Case is saying. Bananas was saying, we thought you had him, but you were like stuck at those those locks. You couldn't get a locks. I cut him super fast and then I was trying to take him. They were it was for some reason. They just got stuck. I couldn't pull him out all those sabies that we mounted together,

and you couldn't get it done. Right? Do you now when you walk past a dead bolt? Kenny does it in elicit and a feeling in you like do you have any strong right? Yeah? No? Sometimes I mean just when I see any tool, yeah that's fair or anything. I'm having shivered nightmares and stuff. So I mean that And it sounds like a joke because it partially is. But I don't know that listeners fully get you guys. PTSD, especially as you get further along in this house, becomes

a real thing. I know I trusted no one when I got back in town after any of the finals. I know I was schemed out about where's my phone? My ID because I you know, you lose them. You're looking over your shoulder like it it does. These little things start to mess with your head over time. So um, you know, if you do flinch a little when you see a lock or feel inspired to kick it. I wouldn't judge you, Kenny. I would fully support you and

be like it makes sense? Or do I just termine off? Right? Right? I totally I totally get that. Um, okay, this epic moment that everyone's been waiting for. Seriously, Kenny, if I could give you a hug right now, you wouldn't want me to eat be like sit down. But I just it was such a powerful moment I feel so inspired by. Okay, So walk us through elimination because usually you you go back into a van, get your things right, do exit, interview,

and leave. And I know this is your first season two so you don't know all the details of that, but that's usually kind of protocoll What did they have you do when you left the zone the first time? Did they just make you go sit somewhere? Like? How walk us through what we didn't get to see after your exit? Yeah? So, I mean I really thought I

was gone. You know, we had no idea that there was a chance that I'd be coming back, So I mean it seemed like normal exit and they had me just sit in a car and just sitting there for like, I don't know, thirty minutes, Like are believed like yeah, so, yeah, I just sitting there and all of a sudden they're like, hey, come here, let's go over here. And I don't know

if this was part of the process. They walk me back into the zone and I see TJ on the freaking stage, and I'm like, do we just all do this? Like I don't know, you see the cameras come back up, were you suspicious? You know where the cameraman like lifting up their cameras a little bit to like getting it was a very small group, right, and they're like first time in street someone gets another life or whatever exactly what they said. But but nobody knows. Only this small

crew knows. And it was just like a few couple cameramen and like a couple of producers. Oh so even the other cameraman and stuff didn't know or like you think it was just a small group because they didn't want it to leave because people have big mouths. Exactly. Yeah, so most of the production and and and people help them had no idea about this twittert Yeah, I was mind blown. I was like, let's sef and go, you know,

like let's go. And I had to say in a hotel for like, how long is it sixteen days or something. Did you at least get to go to the pool while in the hotel freezing freezing? Okay, So I hurt my knee like super bad when we had the mini final, the mini finals. Wow. Like when I was in the hotel, I could I couldn't even walk with wow, Like I could barely walk. I was lumping and it was just so so much pain. So my job was just like

I'm gonna do my best to recover. And yeah, and I got in the best shape of my life in those sixteen days. Amazing. I worked out, I freaking meditated and stretched out and did whatever I can because I'm coming back in and to win this thing. Yeah, and that's actually a really good point that I didn't even think about. Is not only are you I mean, arguably that's a cushies place to be, Kenny. You get to

play in a normal bed. You don't have to listen tobody yelling or knocking boots on the other side of the wall. You have to fight for the bathroom YouTube. Yeah, you need to get up early like that. The next time you guys are doing a challenge in that way, let me know and then we can talk like, I'm open to those the accommodations. I hope you know I'm

not fully retired. I can fit the jersey still. But also that you could use that time to go beast mode, right, so that whenever you do come back, it's a for your partner who maybe is weary because they've been fighting these battles week after week. You're like, I got you know, like doubly strong. That's really um interesting, that's amazing. Did you were you inspired to get into fight mode when you were in you know, like the secret hotel or whatever. We have to come with a better name for that.

But were you inspired by the fight in Puss in Boots? Like, do you feel like you were channeling your inner Antonio Gandaris energy while sitting in that hotel room so that you could come back as like this badass cat. Oh? Yeah, I was. I was. I was so pumped that I had another chance, and I'm like, I'm not gonna squander it. I'm gonna come back best mode. I'm gonna I'm gonna game muscle, I'm gonna and I came back like physically probably the best I've ever been in my entire life.

Were you sending selfies to your wife while you're away because you're like, look bad, no phone. Oh you're still gonna have your phone that whole time, sixteen days and the whole time by myself. I remember inside the house too. I was like thinking, I'm like, damn, my brother, he's back at home, you know, fourth the July. I'm happy that he's with his family. And yeah, I'm just like just imagining him at home. So yeah, yeah, everybody was

talking about, oh, he's probably with this hanging out. Yeah, trust nobody. I don't even truckt TJ. That's you definitely can't trust TJ. That's the number one person I cannot trust on this show. We've learned nothing. You do not trust TJ at all. Kenny, do you think you'd come back without giving any spoilers because we don't We know you're now still in the game, but we don't know what happens. But would you ever come back for another season? And would your wife allow you to come back another

That's that's that's a real question right there. Just because my wife is pregnant. Congratulations. Yeah, So we have a one year old son and then we have another boy do this month, So before check this out. So before we left to the show, she dropped me, Casey and Nannie at the airport and she's like, oh, I have a surprise for you and gives me this notebook that that opens up and there's a pregnancy test and he tells me right there that we have a baby on

the way right before I'm leaving her the challenge. Oh my gosh, craziest, the craziest thing. So you've just been through a whole lot in weeks. I love your wife for doing that. By the way, she's got a TJ mentality. I love like surprises. Wow, that's amazing. Congratulations. When the little ones get a little older than is that, like you would you ever consider? I would love I would absolutely love to go back on the show. And she

told me, you know, we talked about it recently. She's like, you know, I would never want to, you know, not let you go and do it, and yeah, she's amazing. So um, as long as I have her support, I would love to come back and and go on the show, her show. You know what, though my brothers experienced how hard it is in there emotionally mentally. He had no idea and I was like, I can't wait for you to experience it for yourself. And he knows it was hard. He knows it was hard. Do you have a new

respect for the challengers, Kinny because of that? I mean you're one now, but because of how hard? Yeah, for sure, Like you have no idea as a fan just watching from the public eye on how difficult, how long it is, how how how slow the days are. Oh my gosh, Like when my sister told me that days for like weeks and then you're in there, and it's like the longer you're in there, the longer the days, because the less people that go, the quieter it is. And it's

just like it is definitely crazy. I mean for me, I'm pretty mentally stronger, so that like I was chilling. I enjoy the whole time. But the hardest part for me was emotionally not being there. My wife's going through, you know, take care of the baby while being pregnant, war warder in a full time job, so I couldn't help her helpless. Yeah, but other than that, I really enjoyed the whole the whole thing. Um, what kind of auntie is Casey? Like? Is she like the cool aunt

the strict one? Is she the one that's letting your kids have candy when you've told her no, Like, what, what's the vibe? Oh, she's super awesome, super cool. I mean my son is only one and so, but yeah, she's she's an amazing ant. You can pretend she's not sitting right there, Kenny. Actually you know, like, yeah, I mean he doesn't eat candy. Yeah, okay, that's fair. That's fair. Um, but I don't know what she's gonna be the one.

I can imagine her like, hey, let's go get some ice cream, and it's just yeah, you know, And I feel like she gives that vibe. I totally feel like Casey gives the vibe of being like, oh, it's cool, like come on, let's go do the fun thing, like the fun one for sure. Um, all right, so we have a final Casey if she hasn't told you, Kenny, we love games. I love games. I'm a sucker for love getting show good to ending a show in the game.

So we do have a final game for you. Uh, because it's writer Dies, we do three questions for each of you about each other. And because you guys aren't just writer Dies, you are siblings. I fully expect you to get it right or I will come for both of you. So first question. This week's challenge was sponsored by Puss in Boots. What's your partner? So first I'm gonna ask you, Kenny, what is Casey's favorite childhood movie? Oh gosh, come on, your siblings, I'm only sixteen mos apart.

I expect you to know. You guys are practically at this point movie Oh my goodness, I know one of them that comes to mind, but I know yours. Oh I don't even know if I have one? Oh you have one? Oh? Oh, yeah, I guess I do. Oh oh oh? If I mean, I don't watch a lot of movies. So you have can either Disney or like Lion King, Shrek? Yeah, I love Shrek. I fail my turn. His is Alison Wonderland. No wait wait, okay. She said that was such confidence, and he said that was such confidence.

You love Alison Wonderland. I did. But that's what childhood and your childhood. Yeah, that's fair. We're gonna give the point to Casey. It's Lion King because of her conviction, because she said love it back then, love it yeah, but also favorite like Lion King. He's trying to sweech it up. Now, I'm gonna give Casey that point on that one. I'm gonna give Casey that point. But don't worry. We got two more. There's there's chances, Kenny, the challengers

all split up into teams. Now which we know. What was your partner's favorite team sport as a child he could be playing it or watching it? Casey, I'm gonna ask you first, what would Kenny's favorite team sport as a kid as a kid? Yes, as a kid, soccer, Kenny? Is that correct? All right? I like it. Shout out to Team USA. They put up a good attempt. Uh. Now, Kenny, same question for you. What was Casey's favorite team sport

to watch your play as a kid as a kid. Yes, Soccer, Yeah, soccer probably fo Yeah, Well, in some countries that's football soccer is you know? Yeah? Right now? All right? All right, so we have two Casey one Kenny. Kenny. Let's see if you can tie it up the last. The last one is five points. Maybe depends on how how well you guys do with the answer. Because I make up these rules. There are no presidents. Um, all right, you guys were the only sibling parent in the game. Who

was more annoying growing up? Who was more different? You win? There? I just picked the winner. But you get it, you know. And I'll tell you a funny story. Oh yes, there's one time I hit my sister. You hit me. We're super little. We're like arguing and I get a little slap like this roster face and I just I'm like, and I just ran. I try to go jump over the backyard. I try to go jump over the fence. She probably doesn't remember that. She was smat Casey in

the face. And you hear TJ's calling you the sweetest one in the sister in the face. Remember fives, I was probably five six years old, super young, but yeah I remember, like I give it this week ass slab so uh all and all at all. He was the most annoying one. Probably you are. I ripped off all her her dolls heads and like I would, I was, Yeah, I would. I know. One always asked him to come play outside with me and play catch, and he would.

He didn't want to play because he just wanted to play his video games, and so he was very annoying. Oh and he stole my clothes. He would steal my clothes out my Clow's it. You know what. Yeah, annoying forty five minutes in this interview, and now we get to see a whole different side. Okay, it's all sweet, Kenny, it is all change. Now let's go back to that. Who would you trust in the Challenge House. I don't know if I could trust Ny in the Challenge House

anymore after we learn these things. Um. Seriously, though, thank you guys so much. Casey won that, by the way, thank you so much for sharing your story. Thank you Casey for bringing Kenny Um to us Challenge fans. We're so happy to have you as a part of the family. If you haven't figured out by now, Kenny, you know as much as everyone bickers and argues and you can't trust them all, and it's crazy and wild once you've

been inducted into it. It really is this weird, dysfunctional family in a way that you can't escape because no one knows the experience that you guys have shared, that we share in being in that house and the rules and all of that stuff. Um, it's it's kind of a unique thing. So so glad to have you officially in the Challenge family. You couldn't have had a better

ride or die in Casey. We love her. Make sure, though, if you have a big event, don't let her and a group of challengers go to a strip club the night before, because she will not only fall asleep at the strip club. At the strip club, she will then fall asleep the next day at her Internet. I'm never gonna let that. We will be fifty Casey and I will be bringing that up. Yes, it wasn't her first time. I see. This is why Kenny has to come on a season two because we are just now seeing petty

shady Kenney. He's got it in him. Oh love this so much. Okay for those who want to follow along with what you guys are doing, where can they find you on social media? Kenny, let's start with you. We're the best place for people to find you. Yeah, probably just Instagram official Kenny Clark. It's normal spelling, Yeah, easy official. All right, you got it? Casey? Where can they find you? Um? You can find me at the strip club? That is true? Yes, No,

you know Instagram? You know that's that's where you find me. What's your handle? Casey? Um? What is my hand on? Casey? Since nineteen eighty seven? Pay says nineteen eighty seven finding me on Instagram. There we go, there we go. Thank owe you too, I do. I love you too, so so so much. I hope you guys have have fun. Thank you again. You cannot wait to see uh, you know, if we get to see pick I don't know what's to come, but if we get to see images of

swollen Kenny coming out of his like super training. UH can't wait to see what continues to happen with Casey on this challenge. And as always, just rooting for you guys in general. You guys are a really awesome pair, so thank you for being here. Thanks so much, Devin, You're awesome. That was a great interview with Kenny and k You can't tell me you expect see and Kenny showed a different side of himself. We thought he was the sweet one who knew that he had an inner

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