Trevor Young on Dazed and Confused

you working on right now? So, right now, we're working on a lot of really cool what we're calling by neural recording and um, you know these like kind of like three D shows. Are you doing that? Yeah? Yeah, we um did one back in the fall called Thirteen Days of Halloween and um yeah it's it's supposed to be this kind of like full three sixty experience and

we're doing a lot more of that now. Um. And so I can't really say much about what's coming, but we have some cool stuff and I promise it's gonna blow some people away. Awesome. Yeah, you know, they they asked stuff you should know if we wanted to try one of those just as a like a test or not as a test, but just sort of to like show off the technology and we're trying to figure out if there's a way to do it. Um, we'll see

what happens. It will try. If you're stuff you should know a listener, and we do that, it will not be the new stuff you should know. It will just be like, hey, here's what this thing is. If you want to go listen to other stuff, yeah, highly recommend it. It It just kind of adds a whole new layer to you know the audio world. So yeah, that's very cool. So Trevor, you got in touch with me too because you love Richard link Ladder and said, would you ever

want to talk about Richard link Ladder's movies? And I was like, yes, absolutely, Um, and I think before we jump into days and Confused, we should just talk a little bit about this guy. Um, one of my favorite all time filmmakers. How did he come into your life? Yes, So it's interesting. I actually have like a weirdly personal connection to link Later and um, you know his work and everything. Um. So I grew up in Austin, Texas,

which is where you know he's from. He's based and you know, has lived most of his life and bases a lot of his you know, movies, in and around,

including days and confused. Um, So I grew up there and it was just kind of this thing growing up there that you know, there's this famous movie director who lives here and makes movies about Austin And that was kind of always in the back of my head and I didn't didn't really fully hit me until, you know, I think I got to college and I was studying film or but not only that, his daughter, Laura I, um was at my high school in my graduating class and somebody like had classes with and I like never

really put two and two together that my classmate was like Richard Linklater's daughter Boyhood, right, Yeah, she was in Boyhood. And so I graduated in Boyhood came out like three years later, and I saw her on the screen. I was like, holy crap, that was Laura. I Like, I like ad math class with her. That's so bizarre. Oh wow,

So you weren't like good friends or anything like that. Um, it was kind of like a like she was like, um, you know, in a circle that like had a bit of a ven diagram with the circle I was in. But like can't say we like talked her interacted very much. Yeah. Yeah, it's well, it's funny because that kind of comes into playing dazed and confused. I have a note here about just how he nails the clicks and different clicks sort of overlapping in the then diagram style, and just how

that he just really nailed at it stuff. Um Man, that's awesome. I didn't know you from Austin, did you? When did you come to Atlanta? I moved here? Yeah, so I I uh, after I finished up school. I came here to work in public radio for a few years before coming here. I heart or how stuff works as it was then. Yeah, man, Austin is one of my favorite cities. It's uh, you know, I went to south By Southwest for many years in a row, and then um have also gone beyond that, and uh it's

just great, man, what a what a great place. It was. It fun growing up there. Yeah, yeah, I miss it every day. It's um you know, you'll hear anybody from Austin kind of gripe about this, but it's changed so much and it's like really not the Austin I grew up with anymore. But like that's fine. I'm not going to be one of those people who write complains about Californians and you know, tech bros. Coming and ruining their city. But um, you know, it's just it's just different, you know.

It's it used to be a very like, um, small, very like everybody knows everybody kind of city, UM, really tight knit community, and it's a it's definitely lost that sadly. You know. It's not as many like mom and pop shops around. Its kind of like Athens. Um. You know, I which school and Athens in the in the late eighties and early nineties, and I love going back. It's different and it's just one of those things you got

to reckon with. It's like I'm marches On. It won't always stay that the quaint, little charming place that we knew and loved, but they're both still great places, I think. Indeed. Yeah, I've always seen that comparison in that parallel with Athens.

If anybody's never been to Athens, you should go. But um, yeah, And I think it's interesting that we're talking about Link later because you know, he really captures so much of like what Austin was, you know, in like a little time capsule way when that like Austin charm that once was that you know, is now a thing of the past. So I think that's another reason I'm so drawn to it. You know, is it like, is the is the last vestige of the home I once had? Yeah, yeah, I

get it. Um So, Link Ladder came into my world. And when I was in college in Athens and I worked at a sort of the cool indie video store there, Vision Video, and that's when I talked about this on the show a lot. That's when I really got into independent cinema and foreign films and you know, all these things that I had never really been exposed to that much outside of mainstream, you know, kind of Hollywood movies. And I saw Slacker. I rented Slacker, and it was

those were people I knew. It was that was Athens, Georgia at the time. It was as much as it was Austin. It was a very similar vibe. I knew the weirds and the creatives and the cools and the musicians and the artists, and it just that was a movie. I was like, man, this is I don't know who this guy is, but I'm down with Richard Richard Link

Ladder from now on and I've been a fan ever since. Yeah. Yeah, it's Um, it's it's just so amazing how he like captures that spirit of the creative city you and I think you're right, it's like pretty universal in the sense that you can really apply, like especially Slacker to like really any place like that. You know, any um, you know, Athens, Georgia. You know, trying to think of other cities that are like that. Madison, Lawrence, Kansas, the cool classic college sounds yep, exactly.

So um yeah, I think I'll just always love that about it. And you know, you you still have some places like that, but who knows how much longer they'll exist. So, right, what is your Do you have a I mean his Days and confuse your favorite movie of his or do you have what are some of your others? Yeah, it's interesting.

I mean when we were thinking about like which Week Later movie to pick for this, I had a really hard time with it just because, um, there's so many of his movies that really strike a very personal chord with me. And you know I'm not alone in that. You know, so many people I talked to about Link Later they're like, yeah, just like that one movie really like mental Lot. I think Boyhood was one I was

on the fence about just because loved it. Um that really like felt like my life, you know, um, so much about them, the little details like everything from him having like the little dragon ball Z poster on his wall when he was a little kid, to like you know, the scene where he's a teenager in the back of somebody's car, like you know, going home at like three in the morning after like smoking weed and drinking beer when he's not supposed to like it all just like

really um like looked familiar. Yeah. I love Boyhood, not only just the experimental nature of it. I think it's such a cool idea, but um, he's a filmmaker. I think that is a lot about those little details. When he's making these movies he's he's done you know, big big movies like School of Rock and kind of these more mainstream films, and those are all really fun too, but when they're sort of the link ladder films, they're

all about those small moments and those small details. I think that just really give it so much richness in depth. I think, Yeah, agreed, I think um the other one slash ones that do that, uh maybe the best or just really well are his like before movies, before Sunset Before Sunrise, I think before Midnight. Yeah, like, you know,

great for anybody hasn't seen him. I mean there's just two people walking around having really quaint but like really meaningful conversation and um, you know, if you, I think you have to watch all of them a few times to really get the subtlety to the things they're talking about. And um, you know, the more it kind of sits with you, I think, the more you realize, like, wow,

this is like pactful of a lot of personality. Yeah, you know, I saw Um I may have mentioned this on the show before, but I saw Before Sunrise for the first time literally the night before I left to go to Europe backpacking with my best friend for two and a half months, and it was like, talk about a movie like aligning with my life, and I was, you know, it's like, oh, man, I'm I'm going to meet at Julie Delphi over there. It's gonna be so great. I'm gonna fall in love with this French girl, which

that didn't didn't happen. But I'm just a sucker for those movies. Man. I love those characters. I love what he's doing following them throughout their life. I hope he I'm I'm not sure about his plans. I really really hope he keeps going like well into their old age. It's just such a rich palette to work from. I think. Yeah, I agreed. I know he had um mentioned in an interview with Ethan Hawk that like they were going to do up to like five movies or something like that

with those characters. I don't know if that's actually gonna happen to but you can't stop now. It'd be great. I mean it's I love the way, and I know you kind of already said this, but I love the way it captures them at like different very pivotal moments in their life. You know. The first one is like them if they're you know, the prime of their youth, really naive, really just like able to go for anything

and fall in love. You know. The next ones them kind of like on the cusp of like middle age, you know, not sure where their lives are going, having to reconcile with their youth. And then the last one is just like now they're like officially middle aged, and like, how do we stay in love? How do we continue to be excited by life? And um, he you know, he just nails it. So, yeah, you're right, there's a

lot more phases. I think he could still capture really well. Yeah, And it's just I mean, what a great idea to get together with these two people, and I know that they make those movies very much as a triad, and they all get together, you know, Julie and Ethan and Richard link Ladder and and put together the story together, and they're just so invested. And it's just I love his I love his spirit of creativity. I think that so many filmmakers may lose that after they've made it

or whatever. And it feels like, even after all these years, he's still that Texas guy that just that wants to tell people stories. Yeah. Yeah, I think he nailed it. Um. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, he wants to like show people in their most authentic form. And you know, he produces everything he does with so much like integrity and realism, and he has never lost that in any project he's ever done, you know, even on some of those bigger ones you mentioned, like The School

of Rocks and The Bad News is Awesome. Yeah, they're awesome movies. And even in you know, those bigger budget films. He like never lost that integrity, and I think I think that's why he's my favorite director, you know, above all else. Um. I always thought that I would end

up meeting him somehow. Um. She He's just one of those guys where I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna meet Richard Linklener one day, like through movie Crush or stuff you should know or something like I need to make that happen because he seems so relatable that like that could happen. And that's probably just a fantasy of mine, because if you're listening, come on movie Crush, he seems like, you know, like everyone's friend. You know, he's very it seems very approachable and down to earth, and and I

think he is. I think he still very much that guy and very rooted in his and his roots. But yeah, and I mean totally. I mean he still lives in Austin. I think he has talked a lot over the years about how he like never wanted to be like a Hollywood dude. He never wanted to like move to Hollywood and be one of those guys. He was always like very against all that. And you know, he still lives just outside of Austin. I think, Um, I did have

the opportunity to meet him once. Um, I can you know briefly mention, I went to the Austin Film Awards one year. That's a thing the Austin Film Society, which he founded, puts on every year. And I think it was the one that came out right after Boyhood or the ceremony right after Boyhood came out. Um, And so yeah, he was there, he was doing meeting greets and stuff, and I had the opportunity to walk up to him, and yeah, I think everything you assume about and it's correct.

You know, he's just like super down to earth. You know, he talks to you like you're just like in a record store, like chatting, chatting about something you pulled off the shelf. That's great. Yeah, And you know it's weird that I met him there. You know, after I had moved away from Austin, considering I was thinking about him, like he probably like dropped Laurel eye off at my high school like every day and I like somehow never

even realized it. Um. I think he even like came and did a couple of presentations for our film class at high school. But um, yeah. I mean he's super down to earth guy. You know, I like now that I'm like much more familiar with his films over the years, I'd love to have that opportunity again. But you never know, guy, he also seems kind of elusive. Well, yeah, that's true. Sometimes it's all about just sending that email though, you know, true thinking that stab. Al Right, well let's jump into

days and confuse. This is uh, this is a movie. And I kind of just told the story to Nolan a mini crush about forty five minutes ago, because someone asked on the Facebook page and we used as as a segment, what was your favorite movie going experience? And mine was dazed and confused. I saw it, uh in ninety three the Georgia Theater and Athens, which is a music venue mainly, but they had occasional movie screenings and it was just a party. Man. It was everyone was

smoking weed, everyone was drinking. I mean it was a theater, so they sold beer and stuff. And I sat up in the balcony and I'll never forget it. It was just it was one of those nights where it was just a party, rollicking laughter, the music just I mean, we'll we'll talk about the music like possibly the greatest soundtrack of all time. Um, And it was just one of those movies. It was set in the Bicentennial, which I was five years old, and you know, I remember

that summer. Um. I was only five, so it wasn't like the most vivid memories, but I remember it happening. These kids were like my older sister and her friend ends and it was it was sort of just above my generation, but a generation that I still knew. And uh, it just it's It's a movie I've seen fifteen times and watching it last night was like the first time again. It ages so well and it's still so fucking great. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. When did what was your first experience?

Do you remember? Days and confused? Yeah, I think, um, I think it was my junior of high school. Some friends and I decided to sit around and watch it, and um, you know, it's so weird. The movie takes place in seventy six, and we were like, funk, this is like our high school, Like this is us right now, you know, And it really felt that way. It really felt like we were living the same lives as these people, you know, thirty five years earlier. So it's it's cool.

I mean, that is one of the things about it. It's it's um. And I had the same experience watching the movie Crookland from Spike Lee when I was like these kids, this back family in Brooklyn in the nineteen seventies, Like that was my family, this white family in suburban Atlanta in the seventies. It was like it was the same stuff. There's sort of this universe, that universality aspect, I think too certain ages, and uh, it doesn't surprise

me that. I mean, it was my high school experience to a large degree to you know, yeah, I mean, um, you know, I've heard a lot of people say, like there are things in that movie that don't really feel like they resonate with um. You know, like the the fact that like most people seem to like really get along even though they were like kind of these sub clips excuse me, sub clicks. Yeah, and the like you know, the the way that like people drink and smoke, you know,

the way they got away with stuff back then. It's just like not something you would like see any time in the last years. Um, but boy, it was that was a case back then that we were feral and parents didn't know where you were half the time, and drinking age was eighteen back then. Yeah, so like a high school junior could probably buy beer and get away with it even without a fake I d as Wiley

Wiggins does as a as a freshman. But um, yeah, man, just starting with that opening music cue, when that when Sweet Emotion starts with the black screen and the credits are rolling, and then it clicks in with that orange muscle car creeping through the parking lot. It just it's

such a tone center, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I love the vibe and it's um, you know, it definitely takes you right to the seventies, even though you know, I think link Later didn't necessarily intend for it to be like necessarily an homage to the seventies. I think he's always kind of said, like, seventies kind of sucked, and I wanted to, like to be real

about that. But there's still something about that, like opening scene and so much for the rest of the movie where you're like, I don't know, man, you're making the seven seem pretty cool. Well, he does address that a couple of times in the movie. You know, there's and this is another point I wanted to touch on is that in in link Ladder movies when they're sort of Link laddery and not the School of Rocks, there are all there are these moments where it is clear that

it's Richard link Ladder talking and musing. I call him Richard link Ladder musings. Kevin Smith does the same thing. I think, way, way, way too much and in a very sort of forced way. But I think Richard link Ladder sprinkles throughout his movies. The opening of Slacker when it is Richard link Ladder in the back of the taxi. I mean, all of Slacker actually is Richard link Ladder musings.

But in this movie they have you know, the scene at the end where where Randall is talking about high school and like, if these are the best years of my life, you know, remind me to kill myself? Or Marissa Rabisi talking about the every other generation theory, how you know maybe the eighties are gonna be radical, And it's clear these are Richard link Ladder's thoughts, and I just think he works them into his movie so well and very deftly, and it's not like, uh, it's not

kind of rammed down your throat. Yeah, Yeah, I think, Um, it's it's so obvious when it's a link Later talking to you, you know, through these characters, and yeah, I think he summed it up perfectly. But um, you know, I've always kind of assumed that link Later has just been like journaling all the time throughout his entire life, and you know, when he's writing scripts, he's just like

pulling straight from those journals. You know, when he's going on greyhound bus trips across the country to Montana, you know, he's he's making his life into movies, and um, yeah, you know, I think especially the early ones like Slacker and Days, it's so obvious. Yeah, And I think smart smart enough to take the best parts for the most

cinematic parts of his life and then make up the rest. Um, because you know, there's a lot of talk about Days being autobiographical, and he's like, you know, some of the stuff was they we were paddled and hazed, and there was this, and there was that. But I think he was like, no one wants to see a movie about Richard link Ladder's life. Um, so he just sort of sprinkles it, which is a good, good move, I think. Yeah,

that's a good point. I mean, it's always amazed me how you can like take the mundane and make it so like fucking interesting and fun somehow, you know. And yeah, you're right. He's got that talent of just making anything seem like cool and interesting. Um. Like one of the best writers ever. I meant, most of his movies are, especially those before movies, they're just these long conversations. Slack slacker is a long conversation between you know whatever, three

dozen people. Yeah, the cast of this movie. It really hit me last night more than ever that outside of it, maybe Matthew McConaughey, and maybe George Joey Lawren Adams and Parker Posey. Joey Lawren Adams didn't have some huge career, but she had a quote probably better role in Chasing Amy. But almost every other actor in this movie, this is their best role, probably of their career, you know. Um. And they're the most unlikely characters to emerge out of

you know, this movie to become famous. You know, Matthew McConaughey, who would have thought, and I guess been Affleck of course went on to do big things. He's so great as Obeyion it's like everyone knew that guy. Uh. In that part in the movie when Wiley Wiggins gets confirmation from Randall that he's you know, he's like, yeah, he's kind of a joke to us too. Like that was such a big moment, you know when these kids and I love their relationship, like him and Wiley Wiggins and

then Wiley wiggins sister and the other girl. How you know, you take these kids under your wing. Um, And it seemed almost as ritualized as the hazing, Like we do the hazing and then the cool kids find one other kid that's younger and kind of teach him the ropes. Yeah. Yeah, there's that one scene where Pink, the you know, the

main character. He's giving Wiley Wiggins or Mitch a ride home or something, and he even like tells that allegory of how he when you know, when he was a freshman, he got hey, super bad, but there was this really cool senior who took him beers afterwards, and then right after that he's like, hey, man, you want to come out with us later? You know, he's like literally passing

that torch. Um. Yeah, I mean I didn't have that experience, but um, you know, I love that idea, you know, in a sense that like, you know, we're gonna put you through hell, but at the end of the day, we're gonna like build you up at the same time. So well, that's what the cool ones do. And then there's the ben athletic character, who was also a stereotype

of the real person. It was just an asshole and angry and uh, you know, now that I'm a grown up, I see that character and I'm like, well, what happened to him when he was a kid? Like why is he like that? Yeah, you try to have a little empathy, you know. Yeah, totally, those those asshole characters, I think we're more frequent, uh into my memory. But you know, um,

I feel bad for Ben Affleck. Um. I think he like was constantly getting type cast is like assholes in his early days and he like all rats, yeah exactly. He had to like, um, write his own movie a good while hunting to get out of that stereotype. So yeah, I wouldn't feel too sorry for Ben Affleck, but yeah, yeah he's fine. Um, But I mean, you know, Wiley Wiggins definitely the biggest or best role for him. Jason London's best role. I guess Anthony um Rap ended up

being in Rent, so that was his best role. But Cochrane, Um, Marissa Rabisi, Cole Houser, all of most of those female characters, Christine Harnos, Michelle Burkendina Martin is sort of trio of girls. They you know, that was the biggest stuff they were ever in, Like, we're really good in this movie had inc Yeah, I mean it's tough. I mean they were

all really good. But I think when you have a cast of this wide and you know, only a few people really get to stand out, you know, it's just it's kind of a bit of a shark tank, I think is in terms of like who emergence, who emerges out of it? Yeah, I mean Rene's lager was an extra for God's sake. Uh. The other character too, Um that played Dawson Sasha Jensen Um. He I used to work in film production and when I was in l A,

I was working a job. I was in the production office is a p A and he walks in and I was like, wait a minute, what are you doing here? And he was like, I'm an art department coordinator with this TV commercial. I was like, but you were and he was, and he did that, and he did the you know, the tongue out. I was like, dude, what are you doing? And he was like, you know, he's like, it's acting stuff. It's hard to get working. I really liked a business and so I do this too. It's

just like, wow, that's crazy, man. Yeah, I bet you recognize those eyebrows immediately. Oh yeah, I mean it was unmistakable. And you know, I worked this like two week job job with him. Super nice guy, and he did act in you know, a bunch of kind of lower profile stuff and I'm not sure what he's doing now, but uh, you know, I hope he made his way in film production.

It's just interesting. You know, you you're in a movie this is cultural touchstone and one of the bigger, most memorable characters, and uh, you end up as an art department coordinator. Maybe. Yeah, it's it's interesting shame in that. No, No, not at all. I mean he was one of my, I think my favorite characters for a number of reasons. I think he was just like, very very like charismatic. It's also a bit of a a misogynist character, and I didn't like that that aspect of it. On rewatch,

but you know, it's a time capsule. It is a time capsule. There's you know, there's plenty of butt slapping and stuff like that, but I mean that's that's how what it was in high school in nineties six. Yeah. So I mean, despite that, he was a very interesting character. And yeah, I don't I don't know why a lot of those people didn't, um, you know, keep going up and up and up in that particular field. I mean,

you know, I know Wiley Wiggins. You know, he was on one other link later movie Waking Life, and other than that, like he went on to like program video games. I think, um, yeah, I think fairly successfully. I met him at a bar in l A one night, and he was with some people that knew that people I was with, So I kind of was loosely hanging out with him one night, just kind of fun. Um. I did want to mention though you just talked about Sasha

Jensen's character being a misogynist. He certainly was, But watching last night, I noticed that like in the scene where he uh where they were hazing the girls and he told the one girl like open your mouth, and it was really just awful. Like his friends call him out. And granted they called him out in the way you

would in high school in nineteen six. They weren't like that was wrong, But I like that link Ladder threw that in there at least, like Rory Cochman was like, dude, that's terrible, Like it's so degrading, and the girls said, you're such an asshole, like they didn't say that. Hey, that's really funny, you know, yeah, totally. Um, I feel

like that's real too. You know if anybody like pulled that ship when I was in high school, and you know, it's like somebody would be like, yeah, come on, man, we don't do that, and you know it's just like so naive looking and it's just like I'll do whatever you want. I guess, yeah, you know, not understanding the application there so well, so many of those kids in the movie had just with like one line or whatever, and you know, they just never did that. They never

even acted in anything else. And you can tell some of them were not actors, including some of the adults like the old man after the football uh talking about football next season, Um, the guy I think, the liquor store guy. There were a few people in there that it was like, man, these are these are Austin dudes.

They gotta be. Yeah. I mean I think that's the reason I love the movie so much and I love link Later is you know, he he was only a wet like two years off of Slacker, so he still has a whole like, yeah, let's just get Austin people in here, Like, yeah, this is just an Austin movie. Still, Um, you know, who cares if we have a slightly bigger budget and we have you know, l A producers, Like this is an Austin movie and we're gonna have Austin people in Austin places. It made it so authentic, Like

that fucking head football coach. I didn't even look him up, but I mean that guy had to be real. Yeah, there's no way that that was just some actor doing that perfect, perfect accent. Yep, Yeah, that was just some some actual football coach he picked up off the side of the road. I don't know, I'm just that way. I mean I feel like I had that coach, you know. Yeah. Um. One thing that occurred to me last night that I never really considered is there were no se seniors in

this movie. Um. I kind of always thought that the main olds, we're high school seniors. They were juniors, rising seniors. There there's nothing. There's no seniors in this movie. Who who had just graduated that day? He just left them out of the movie. Yeah. Um, I mean I guess

there's Obanion who's technically like a failed senior. He was like going to be a senior again, right, I mean there's probably some levity there, But you know, I think that's a I think that's intentional on link later as part. I feel like he always likes to show people in moments of transition, you know, like, um, you know, I don't think he ever likes to represent groups or people who are like stuck in any sort of power dynamic. It's always like, you know, we're changing, we're moving, We're

going through some period of of alteration, you know, alteration. Um. And that's what makes these experiences interesting because you'll always remember those moments where you felt something different or you felt yourself changed in some way, right, Yeah, I mean I think those are the moments that are the most cinematic or when you're in or most dramatic at the very least, where you're in these periods of flux and there is uncertainty. Um and that I mean this, this

whole movie is about that. I think Randall kind of addresses it most directly, but they're all feeling it. Uh. And I remember that feeling even though I knew like, yeah, I'm going to college, I'm going to Athens, that uncertainty is exciting and scary as ship. Yeah yeah, I mean you know, and and again you mentioned Randall a k A. Pink Um, Yeah, you're right. He captures that philosophy so well by just constantly being on the fence about what he wants to do with his future. And I love

the fact that they leave it so ambiguous. You know, he's going through this thing throughout the movie of like am I gonna play football next year? What am I gonna do with my life? And you know at the end he's just kind of like, I'm gonna do whatever I want and I will decide whenever I want to. And it's like, yeah, completely up to me on my

my terms, my schedule. Um. You know, I feel like that's so much just encapsulates that, you know that that coming through that era flex and with a triumph, right, like it doesn't it doesn't matter, you know, I'm going to do what I want to do. Yeah, and he he manages to do it without ramming it down your throat as a filmmaker. I think, Uh, there's just this sort of easygoing authenticity. I think through all the link Lattery movies, UM, that you feel like you're you're watching

these people that you know. Um, I mean, generations of people love this movie. Um. You know, my sisters in her like mid fifties, and people in their sixties relate. And then you're you know, how old are you? Yeah, you people younger than you probably relate to this movie. It's really kind of a bit of a miracle like taste and confused. This movie set in seventy six is kind of like a touchdown for so many Yeah, that

universal appeal. But you know, I mean again, I think he does that with all these movies in so many ways. When we were talking about Boyhood earlier, like yeah, you know, I remember I saw that with my dad and I walked out. I was like, Dad, that was my life. He was like, that was my life too, you know. Wow, So that's cool. I get so annoyed when people don't like Boyhood more than other movies. Like Boyhood is one of those I just thought was so real and authentic

and uh an experimental. And I've had some people I know in respect they were like, loo, could nothing happen in the movie. It's just so long, And I was just like, it just breaks my heart. Do you hear people think of that movie that way? It's like, I don't know, Yeah, I mean, it's all kinds of personally, Yeah,

I know your pain. I mean to me, like, uh, link Later is a lot like David Lynch in the sense that like, if you go into it looking for like plot or like you know, a traditional narrative arc, you're you know, you're not going to get much out

of it. You're not You're going to be disappointed. But if you go into something, you know, looking to like experience something very real and relate to something or or you know, notice little details about life that you know, maybe don't ever get touched on anywhere else, and I think you're in for a treaty open your heart. Yeah, exactly to Richard Letter. Uh, Parker Posey is one of my favorite actors. I've tried to get her on the show before. I'm going to try again, but um, this

may be like peak Parker Posey. Yes, even though it's not a very big role, she just like made such an imprint in this movie. Is the the asshole, the asshole rising senior girl. Yeah, God, she's she's brutal. Um that you still like her somehow? Yeah you do? Um

I saw um. I don't know if you ever like read letterbox reviews, but um, half of them mentioned Parker Posey and they're just like, man put Parker Posey's like the like girlfriend that I always wanted, who would just like being that outgoing and dominant all this like weird stuff. But um, yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right. She made such an impression and that's probably why she was one of the few to really go on and be successful afterwards. Yeah,

she was so funny. Emily and one of our my wife, one of the things we say in our house, probably six or eight times a year is wipe that face off your head. Yes, like one of us, one of us will be making kind of a gnarled at face about something and she'll go, hey, wipe that face off

your head. I remember reading about that line. Um how she somebody like said it to her in real life and she was like, that is like the weirdest thing I've ever heard anyone say, And I'm going to take it and I'm going to use it in the next thing that I do. And she like brought it by a link later she was like, I have this weird thing that's been like, you know, circling around my head for a while. Can I like please say it in this movie? And he just like I was like, yes,

that's Genia say it. So oh boy, it was such a fun uh fun line, oh I had. Pickford's dad was another one of those guys that seemed totally real and like a non actor, you know, were you going to have a party, just that formal sort of Southern way of talking, like unpack your bags, honey, we're staying home right. Apparently that guy, Sean Andrews was a real asshole. I was reading some sort of behind the scenes stuff and he and and Jason London didn't get along. Well yeah,

and link Ladder talked about it. He was like, it's kind of one of those things. He said, Sean was going through his own thing and it was very aloof and he said, this is not the movie to be a loof on like part of the He said it was a hard movie to make, and he said part of the success of it was due to the summer camp thing, with all this cast being together, real life partying.

Apparently in the last scene when they're driving get the Aerosmith tickets, Joey Lawren Adams were like, we were really stoned. He was like you were, and He's like, you guys weren't supposed to be doing that. She was like, we didn't do it much, but she said, we were all

totally high in that last shot. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a weird thing if you think about it, Like the link later and the producers like took this cast of like you know, teens and twentysomething's, put them up in the same hotel for two months and like gave them like free rein to do whatever the funk

they wanted when they weren't shooting. It sounds like a disaster, but I mean, you're right, I think that was so integral to the the authenticity of the film, right, Like let's let's get some actual communal vibes going that they can like channel on on the screen. So, um, I

think it was really unfortunate to hear that. Sean Andrews who's he and Mila Djovivic were supposed to be like pretty pivotal characters in the movie, got cut out of most of it because like behind the scenes, like you were saying, like the two of them were just so like not interested. You know, they like didn't participate in

the summer amp thing you were talking about. They kind of like broke off and like isolated themselves, and as a result, like the you know, the rest of the cast kind of hated them and didn't want anything to do with them. And well, he said he had to tell them at some point he had to pull he in London aside and was like, listen, guys, you don't like each other, but you gotta we gotta get this done, so like, you know, get it together. You guys gotta

be friends on screen. Uh, they got married that they like eloped and John Andrews, Yeah, I think they got annulled like two months later or like what the fund did we do? But um, it's really interesting a little bit of behind the scenes drama there. Yeah, did you hear about the the other behind the scenes drama where um, Sean Andrews and Miladjovivic like lock themselves in a trailer because they wanted a link Later to like rewrite some

lines for them what they like, refused to come to set. Yeah. Yeah, so um, they got I guess, real cocky, real real egotistic about their role in the movie, and they were we want more scenes and we want to write it

our way. And you know, this is like I think near the end of production, and link Later is like, no, I mean, come on, yeah, we can't fire you, but like just like please play ball with us, and they were like no. So they like through like a little fit and they locked themselves in a trailer and they said they weren't going to participate in any more scenes

until they like got what they wanted. And so I think that's ultimately why they got cut from like so much of the movie is like link Later was like, well, no, funck you guys, Like I'm not doing that good. I mean she was almost entirely cut. Um yeah, I mean I guess he had a couple of livotal scenes in the car with a bowling ball, which is great. Uh, and then the you know, the party stuff when they were up in the beer kicked livery mishap, which was

pretty funny too. I mean he was pretty good in it, and that's it's a shame he was he was not playing ball because uh I thought the character was pretty good. Actually yeah, he was funny. Um yeah, just it's just sad. I think that's just ultimately the kind of actor he was. You know, I just thought too much of himself and you know, cost him his career. It sounds like he wasn't in a lot after that. Um, let's talk about Waterson. Oh my god, what else was there to talk about?

You could spend a whole episode of the show talking about Matthew McConaughey as Waterson. I mean, it's one of the genius characters of all time, and uh, you know, sort of the legend around it. It's like, how many movies, especially a movie this small that you know, didn't make a lot of money, has become a cult hit. But um how many movies like this went on to spawn something that's like remained part of the lexicon and the cultural zeitgeist with the alright, alright, alright thing. I mean

that alone is like that doesn't happen much. I oh yeah, I mean I can't think of any more or any other movie that has more like gifts or memes that I can pull them on my phone and into people, you know, that are almost all entirely Matthew McConaughey based there's alright, alright, alright, yeah, there's a be a lot cooler if you did that. Man. We say that all the time. It's such a great line. A whole lot cooler if you did. I thought he was a real guy. Man.

I think I've told this story before, but when that movie came out, I did. I thought he was one of those and he was a real Texas guy. But I thought he was a non actor that he just put in the movie, and that he really was sort of one of these old, sort of losery guys. I was, and my sister a couple of years later said, oh, yeah, this guy Matthew McConaughey, he was the guy Watterson and said, no, no no, no, I said that can't be. I said that was just some guy, and she said, no, no, no,

he was. It was an actor. And my sister is not even like some big movie buff and she kind of schooled me on that, and I was just my mind was blown. Man. He was so real, and especially when you live in the South like there was that I mean, there are these guys everywhere, but there was always that guy that was, you know, twenty two and still hanging around. You know. It's it was so authentic

and great. Yeah. Yeah, I think, um, every every like high school click has that guy you know, that who're just like never really found his way after high school and just kind of wanted to like stay eternally a

high school senior um. And you know, It's it's always been really interesting to me how Matthew McConaughey um simultaneously captures like that creep status, but he's also like super likable somehow, Like they made him really like you still want to hang out with him even though he's like so weird and creepy and talks about uh, you know, teenage girls and very inappropriate ways. Um, you're still like but he's somehow lovable. And it's only Matthew McConaughey could

pull that off. I think anybody else that would have been super gross. Yeah, and you know, he was creepy and gross and not to excuse anything, but like in nineteen seventy six, it wasn't the most uncommon thing for like a sixteen year old to date a twenty one year old. Um, you know, that kind of stuff happened back then, and of course ten years later, it's no big deal to be five or six years apart from somebody.

But it's that high school non high school boundary. That's just it adds that creep element, you know, like, uh, the older boyfriend, like going to prom or something like that. He's been out of school for four or five years. It's just no getting around that. That's very uncomfortable, you know. Yeah, yeah, And you know again somehow, even by the end of the movie, you know, Watterson still becomes this like leader

amongst the troop of them, right. Yeah. That football scene, a football field scene at the end is I mean, it was kind of the perfect way for that movie too two to end. Uh. That that's where you get that great scene of Jason London sort of just looking off in the distance talking about the future and Matthew McConaughey, who apparently his father died in real life kind of in the early days of making this movie, and that

whole just keep living thing was that all out? Yeah? Man, L V I N. I mean that's the name of his production company, J K. Livin Productions and Uh, you know it's they tread in some deeper waters throughout this movie here and there, but not so much that it gets bogged down. Yeah, it's it's very light touch, and I I always appreciate that, you know. Um, I think when you're like that young and you really are just

kind of like, you know, partying, experimenting with romance. Um, that's about the extent to what you think of stuff, right. You know. It's like there's always like this philosophical backdrop, but at the front of everything, you're just like trying to find yourself, you know, and um, you know, taking it one step at a time. And um, I think I think it just has to be that jovial for it to work. And with this with this cast, in

this age group and that time period. Yeah, and it was a time like not to be old man, but it was a bit more of an innocent time. I don't know how things are now, you know, as a parent myself, you have all these fears that there's just so much more overt sexuality at younger and younger ages. And I don't know if that's just a fear, if that's the reality, I'll find out soon enough. But you know, back then when you were fourteen, like at least me too,

I was. I was a religious kid in a late bloomer, Like I wanted to kiss a girl, and you know, like making out what the girl was the biggest thing, like the highest achievement romantically I could think about. And it did not go beyond anything beyond that scared the hell out of me, to be honest, until I was

much older. But um, and you know there were kids around me of course that we're kind of like monkeying around with other stuff, but it was just a more innocent time where like you you hook up at a party and you like kiss somebody and that was like the best night ever. Yeah. It makes me like remember a scene in the movie that I totally forgot about, but it's like really funny. It's really funny rewatching it.

And uh, they go to the middle school dance and there's that little back room where all the like eighth graders are all just like making out totally and it's like, oh my god, like like it makes you realize, like when I first made out with someone or like you know whatever else, like was it that Like I don't want to call it like pathetic, but like I don't know, it just it feels so pathetic, you know, And oh my god, I felt so bad for that girl because

they you know, she's making out with Hirschfeld and his friends basically rip them out of there. He's like, we gotta go, we gotta go to get the tub. He gets battle, but she just sort of sitting there like now she's all alone in the makeout him and feeling just so awkward and uncomfortable, and I'm just like I just want to go give her a hug and be like it's okay, like you know, get out of the

makeout room, go back to the dance. And it feels so intense when you're that age too, right, like oh yeah, man, Like you were saying like that's just like the pinnacle of like your your romance goals at that age, and you like got it and it means the world when it's happening. Yeah, So it's so devastating when things like

that happened. But that's that link letter touch man. That It's so there's so many little details like just that shot of that girl for two seconds, or when the I think he writes female characters really really well, um more so than like most male writer directors. Uh, you know the other little moments like when, um, they're all getting ready to go out that night and the girls laying down on the bed and her friend has used the pliers to zip her pants up because they're so tight.

Like there's a generation of women from the seventies and sixties. I think that we're like, oh my god, how did he know that? He must have sisters? Because we totally had to do that to help each other in our pants. Yeah, he had two older sisters. I know link later did Well, there you go. That that helps. I'm sure I think one of his sisters works with him on his movies too, so yeah, yeah, I mean, such a nice detail. There's

another one. I don't know if you remember seeing this, but when Mitch goes to get beer at the liquor store, right before he checks out, there's this lady who checks out who's like pregnant or and she's like smoking and getting alcohol, and he's like, I hope that baby comes out, you know, it's good for you. Yeah, and he's like, remember to take your vitamins, like totally pass you by

if you're not paying attention. But it's just like such a funny like I think, like, you know, I don't want to call it homage, but like funny imagery of the seventies and when yeah, smoking and drinking when you're pregnant, like of course, yeah, man, I mean it's crazy to think about people doing that now, but it used to happen. It's nuts. Um. I want to talk for a second about the little uh, the triad of Adam Goldberg, Anthony Rapp,

and Marissa Rabisium. Yeah, I mean you've got this. I think I think more people like us identified with those three than than the others. Um. Like I was in the I kind of spanned clicks. In my school. I was really popular because I liked everyone and was well liked by everyone, So I hung out with the cool kids, but I hung out with this sort of these three that were sort of like what I would just call sort of not unpopular but kind of the the sort

of smart crowd but not super super super nerdy. But I was also friends with the super nerds just because I don't know, I always just wanted to be nice to people and to be liked by people. So that was my goal, um or not my goal, that just my nature. But those three man there. I think my favorite in the movie too, is there is there one in particular you identify with the most curious. I don't really even identify so much. It's more just well, probably

Anthony Rapp a little bit. Uh, he's a little bit shy and thinks he should maybe be playing a certain part, but it's not comfortable playing that part. Uh. Definitely not Adam Goldberg because he was you know, kind of neurotic guy. Uh, he's so good in it too. Yeah, if if I was to pick one, I'd probably say Adam Goldberg just because when he's having his a little cil crisis, his existential crises, you know, calls himself a missingthrope and he's

talking about how he like just can't stand people. Like I wouldn't say I'm like that extreme, but like I feel that sometimes, you know, I really know what he's going through in that moment, and I've been there so well. I mean, then what do you how did it make

you feel? Later when he gets in the fight with Clint, And I mean, Nikky Cat was so good in this, Like we all knew that guy too that was just so overly aggressive and wanted to get into a fight everywhere they went, and it's such a especially for guys like us, Like those guys just scared the hell out of me. I didn't want to be anywhere near them, not for fear of getting beat up, just that that energy was so bad for toxic. Yeah. Yeah, I mean those guys who were just like unnecessarily a grew all

the time. Um, I agree. I I avoided them like the plague and um yeah, I mean god, that's seeing that fight really like yeah, it's it's hard to watch, you know, like it. Um, I don't know, Like something clicked in me when I saw that, where I was like, man, that's like that was like my worst fear was that happening. Like I feel like I had nightmares as a teenager of like bumping into some dude like that the wrong

way in the hallway and like him exploding. And I would do the exact same thing Adam Goldberg did, where I'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about, Like what's going on here? Like I'm sorry, I guess like afterwards, yeah totally, and you like you're done afterwards and you're like in your head like oh I should have said this or I should have done that or I'm gonna get back at him somehow, and um, I don't know, Like it made me feel really like pathetic

watching Adam Goldberg be pathetic man and sweet guy. I know what you mean though, It's I mean I was always using personality and humor to avoid any confrontation like that. So I was never threatened by bullies, but I saw it happen, and it always just it always just made me really uncomfortable. And I guess scared is the right word. I remember being scared a few times, like an elementary school, that kind of male aggression. Yeah, yeah, I like, I

really hope it's gotten better. I feel like it hopefully has um for like high schoolers and young people now, but um, yeah it was. It was really hard to like ever feel comfortable in high school for that reason. I think, I think, like more than anything more than like stress of classes, more than like romance or dating or you know, feeling like you're going to fit into any clique. Um, the like thread of machies moo dudes, I think the number one aggressor to my life back then.

You know, yeah, and almost universally you know, you're you're still pretty young, but you see how it works, like almost universally, those guys, that's their peak in high school, you know. Ah, and you know, and and what happened to Clint. You know, his dad probably beat the ship out of him, you know, alcohol, Yeah, probably, And it's

that that cycle of of abuse that's just so real. Um. But you know, now people like you are like super talented musicians and podcast producers and cool and artistic, and those guys are are selling hun Day's. Yeah. It does make you wonder, you know, And I think that's one of the things you leave dazed, you know, always like thinking about, is like what happens to these people later? You know, everybody from Clinton Adam Goldberg. You're just like,

who do these people become? You know, I've really I've always really wanted to know totally, because it's nice to think that, like, you know, this person becomes this successful person in that asshole like ends up just becoming a you know, living in a trailer park whatever. But right who knows, you know, It's just like it might not turn out that way. It's just I don't know, there are outliers, but I'm a firm believer in the good

people usually come out on top in some way. It may not be necessarily riches and fortune or anything like that, but I just think that that leading a good life and being kind to people just leads to more goodness eventually. And in the opposite, the people like Clinton obanion that that never leads anywhere good. They're never going to find great successes in life by being assholes. But sometimes that happens, you see it. Yeah, Yeah, it's It's definitely not a

black and white thing. But yeah, I think I I too hold that that hope and that belief. Um. Yeah, And for for the good of these very lovely, beautiful characters in this movie, I I hope that dynamic works for them. Yeah. They were so fun to watch, the

three of them, and I thought it was so great. Um. I read this morning and apparently link Ladder went to Marissa Rubis and was like, who, we gotta get you a guy, and like, you think about who that might be, and I'll think about it too, and we'll come back tomorrow and talk. And he came back and he was like Waterson and she said, that's perfect. She's like the

one guy that it shouldn't be. And there was something about it when I don't know, man, there was something kind of sweet about it, like she was charmed by his waterson nous and I think, you know, I could see them being good for each other and her making him a bit of a better guy instead of the other way around. Like I want to think good things about those two. That's a really good point. I never

thought of that. Um, you know, I think I was so caught up with the creepiness of him dating or going after, you know, a high school girl, that I hadn't really ever considered the actual chemistry there. But you know, I think you're right. You know, she is like of the whole cast of you know, female characters, like probably the most mature and able to like handle his bullshit.

Yeah yeah, not that like the responsibility. But what happens at that Aerosmith concert, Like that's the sequel, Yeah, you know, it's two weeks later they're going on this date. Uh that that's pretty great. Um. The thing about that fight, though I wanted to kind of put a button on, is that it is such a great moment in the movie. Um, because you know that it takes place over a big long day and night, which is one of my favorite

kinds of movies. I love it when movies do that, and he does that a few times in his movies or you know, years or or the but he you know,

this fight happens. It's a big moment for Adam Goldberg's character and that he did stand up for himself but he got his ass kicked and when he was kind of crying afterwards, it was so like so upsetting, but it led to that great grain shot at the moon Tower party and Tuesday's Gone kicks in by skinnered and the beer kegs run dry, and it's just like it's just perfect filmmaking, you know, yeah, yeah, Um, I think like we were saying earlier, you know, link later, you know,

really values the mundane. But at the same time, he has such like a cinematic eye, you know, like he knows how to really fucking hit you where it hurts in the heart, just by like you know, using certain shots and imagery and yeah, you know, things like that, and you're right like that, um, that little ending there, it's kind of like a little montage of like, you know, going home at the end of the night and everything's over and you know, what could have possibly been the

best night of your life now in the rear view mirror and that's yeah, that's a that's a tough pill to swallow. I like, yeah, like that hit my heart last night. When I was rewatching it, I was like, man, like I I had a couple of nights like that in my like high school college years, and I'll probably

never have them again. Yeah, I know, man, it's uh, it made me miss um and not because of COVID, just because being old, like you know, going to those big, big fucking ragor parties like it just didn't happen anymore when you're my age, and those were the days. Man. It reminded me of those days in college when you're with your best friends and the sun's coming up and uh, you know you're gonna feel like ship and pay for it and but like you wouldn't change a thing about it.

It's so evocative that that sun peeking up and and the way he shot it too, and um, he must have shot those scenes in a in a real morning, because they all looked like it was morning, and they all looked like they had been partying all night. I mean, the whole look of the film period was so real, Unlike a lot of movies set in the seventies where it's so clearly dressed and decorated and hairstyle like it just it looked like he managed to PLoP a camera

down in nineteen seventy six and kind of film these people. Yeah, part of me wonders if that has to do with the fact that it was, you know, relatively speaking, kind of a low budget, you know, like, yeah, it's like five or six million bucks. I think, yeah, you know, so they weren't too concerned with like making everybody look you know, glistening or anything, which is probably from the best. You know. I think it gave it a more rustic,

you know, real lived in kind of look, which is good. Totally. Those cars, I mean, the ages really well. As a result. I think, um, those goddamn cars and that truck man what's his faces at black pickup truck? So sweet. I mean, if you're a Texas guy, you probably have an appreciation for like sixties pickup trucks. Yep. So in Austin every

year they do forget what it's called. But um, I remember my middle school was right on the main drag on you know, South Congress Avenue in Austin, which is the Staith that leads to the Capitol, and every year they they do this like run of the Cars thing where all these like old cars from the fifties, sixties, and seventies, um like, over the course of two hours, just like NonStop driving through Congress all the way to

the Capitol and around downtown. UM. So yeah, it's I think it's like a very like nostalgic thing to like see that, And I think it's a it's a big part of the fabric of that city and the culture there too. You know, it's very Texas, it's very Austin. Really, I love it. They nailed that so well. Is there one car that you love the most you wish you could have had? Well, I mean I love Melbot Toast, yea, I wrote, I mean I might as well. I copy pasted that part. Let me tell you what Melbot Toast

is packing. Right here. We got four eleven posit track out back, seven fifty double pumper edel Brock intake board over thirty eleven to one pop up Pistons, turbo Jet three ninety horsepower. We're talking some fucking muscle. That's so Texas. I love it. They ganked that shot over lunch one day. He said they had to do that a lot because the budget, and they just were like sneaking things in wherever they could. And McConaughey said, the camera his dp

uh he was, He's like, who knows about cars? And his DP was like I do. And he went write some ship down on this piece of paper. And then Nicky Kat too, like he was so perfect. He's like, you gotta get some shoes on that thing. Man. He was like white lightning. He had that white trans am and he's talking about his tires and he called his ice skates or something. And I mean that is that is Texas, that is Stone Mountain, Georgia. That is like Detroit, Michigan.

It's like these muscle car dudes. Yeah, Like even if you don't know cars that well or no one they're talking about ID, it's somehow just like it hits you somewhere because you've known people who had those conversations around you. Yeah, And it's just I grew up with a guy that went to my church in the youth group that had an old four forty two muscle car that was red

with black racing stripes. And my I talked to my brother the other day he still has that car, and I was like he does, and he was like, oh yeah, man, and he was like that's he's had that car for literally like forty years now and works on it himself, that whole deal. And it's just like it's a machine. I've never driven one of those. One of my life goals is to, like is to drive like a really sweet seventies muscle car one day at least once. I'll keep an eye out. I mean, I'm not even a

car guy, but I love that ship. Yeah. Same. I'm sure Rick Linklater knows where to get one. Um. Yeah, my dad used to have. My dad was an old Austin hippie and he used to have, um, one of those you know, old school seventies VW buses. Oh yeah, yeah. You see a couple of them in the movie Oh Cool.

And I remember he had it when I was a kid, and I think he jumped it maybe like a couple of years ago, which suck, but I think it was just completely like useless at that point, you know, maybe ten years ago, right, But man, what I would do to like see that and have it in my possession again, totally dude. Uh well, man, I think we did it. I mean, you know, the soundtrack. We talked a little

bit about the it's just an assault of great music. Um. I think my favorite kind of sequence in the movie is it's almost unfair how he assaults you with these

songs all in a row. It's when he does a Hurricane by Bob Dylan in the pool hall scene, that great slow motion shot at Waterson, and then almost right afterward it's followed by the bowling ball scene with I Just Want to make Love to You, and then right after that Paranoid by Sabbath comes on, and it's like, dude, it's not fair, Like, how can you stack this movie like that? Yeah? I think god, like half the movie's budget must have gone to just licensing all those you know,

those tracks. It was one six actually I looked at the full sixth of the movie, which doesn't sound light much,

but that's a lot of money to go towards music licensing. Yeah, yeah, I know, Um yeah, I think you know, link Later fought a pretty tough battle with it was a universal I think, so yeah, yeah about like licensing that stuff, because you know, when they gave him money for the movie, you know, they were kind of just trying this guy out seeing what he could do, weren't taking days and confused super seriously as one of their top pictures of

the year or anything. So when this like you know, new director comes around, like you know, I need to license all these like super popular, like amazing tracks from the seventies, They're like, yeah, we're not going to do that, but somehow he got his way. Yeah you have to. Uh. And it's one of the few movies. One of my big pet peeves in movies is a music cue that's

two on the nose. Uh. And this is one of the few movies where he does it a couple of times, like when he plays schools out for summer, like literally when schools out for summer and they're leaving the school. But I don't care, man, what else are you going to play there? Yeah? Trying to remember when I just want to make love to you that line hits. I feel like it's got to be in one of the makeout scenes. I can't remember, but um, yeah, you're right.

For whatever reason, it's just like it works when it's on the news in this movie, and it rarely does anywhere else. It's all over the place. I think love Hurts is one of this ad songs during the makeout stuff, and uh, there was one other one I can't remember that was super on the Nose, But I don't know, man, It's just it's magic. It all works. It's one of my favorite movies. I think the only you know track we probably got to talk about at least for a second.

It's just the track that didn't make it, which was Days and Confused, the led Zeppelin track. Yeah, and what's the story? Um, so you know, led Zeppelin is pretty notorious for like not letting anybody license their tracks for film or anything else. Um, I think, you know, it's been virtually impossible for anybody to get their songs for anything. But um, you know, I think link Later pushed pretty hard for this one. He was like, you know, it's the name of our movie, Like, we gotta have this track.

It has to be the last thing they do when they're going to get Aerosmith tickets. And um, they almost got it. They got three out of the four members to agree to it. They got Jimmy Page to sign off on it, which was like pretty miraculous because he's usually like the toughest of all of them. Um, and then I forget exactly what the reason was, but at the last minute it was Jim Um. Not to me, it was Robert Plant, who was like nah, like he like he like turned it down and he wouldn't let

them have it. Um. So yeah, for whatever reason, I feel like it was just like some some scheduling conflict to a Robbert Plant, just like I was, was doing something else and didn't feel comfortable with signing off on him at that moment. But I think that was the deal. I read some about it too, and I think, Um, I think the members weren't super communicative at the time, and this was the time where they just weren't talking much,

uh and sort of doing their own thing. Richard Linkletter wasn't some big name so there he was just kind of like, well, I'm even paying attention to this. But I think he did say link later said that later, like ten years later, he met them and he might have used something for something else, but he said it kind of came full circle in a really nice way

later in his life with those guys. Yeah. I forget what the anecdote is, but I remember reading that as well, where I think he eventually got to license something from them for a later movie. So, um, yeah, exactly what maybe like Bernie or something, but another good movie. Um. Yeah, and it's funny, like as much as you want to hear that song in that movie that end with slow ride, like you can't like what else does? Yeah, it wasn't it more than once? Wasn't It was like two or

three times a couple of times. Oh wow, that's funny, which is something I don't normally do. Yeah, yeah, it was good. Absolutely well, dude, this is a lot of fun Um. One of my favorite filmmakers, one of my favorite movies. I say we make just this part of a filmmaker series and go ahead. And you know, he does so many we can't do them all, but maybe we can pick out like four or five of our favorites and uh and do this every couple of months. Yeah, I'd love to. Um, you know, Waking Life is another

big one there. I mean, he's got so many things, so anytime. Yeah, Suburbia that's another one I really like. Uh, it's maybe we'll talk about the spiritual sequel everybody wants? Um, did you like that? I actually haven't seen it? Okay, well all right, but have been in that then yeah, I think. Um. I've been on a quest recently to watch all the few that have slipped by me over the years, and that was one of them, along with

Last Flag Flying. I still haven't seen that one either, but yeah, there's a couple of those I didn't see, the one with Kate Blanchett or the last Flag Flag Jesus can even say it last Flag Flying. Um, I will just say this. I don't want it to taint anything. Everybody wants some I enjoyed it is not this m Great Days and Confuses is sort of lives in its own space among all movies. Um. But it's good. It's

fun cool. Yeah, So I guess I'll have to rewatch it and or just watch it for the first time and then when reconvene and totally see see what happens. All right, man, Well, this is a lot of fun, and uh, I think people will enjoy this and look forward to more Richard Linkladder stuff in the future. Not agree more. Well, thanks Jack, I really appreciate it, Thanks, Bud.

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