Seth Nicholas Johnson on Scott Pilgrim vs. the World

so it's been great to work on it. And uh, I was very excited when you asked me to be a guest, so here, I am, let's do this. Yeah, man, I mean this is something that I was wanting to do anyway, because I thought it would be a fun way to get to know you and for the listeners to get to know you and for you to become more a part of the show. And then I also, um, you know how kind of close we've been playing it

these days. I looked up and I was like, oh my god, I don't have anything ready for Friday, and I said, this might be the perfect time, and you stepped right in so I appreciate it, absolutely happy to do it. Before we get going on the movie, I thought, uh, you know, we should get to know each other a little bit. I don't even know anything about you. I don't know where you're from or what your story is.

So where are you from? Born in Eugene, Oregon, from the Pacific Northwest, and then, um, I moved around a lot as a as as a youth. So uh, I've lived basically everywhere on the West coast. Uh. So I lived in Portland for a while, by a Seattle, lived in a town called Spokane for a while. Then I moved down to Los Angeles, lived there for a while, and then, um, then I moved here probably when I was gosh, thirty ish, maybe like five or more years ago. I don't know, a while ago, but I basically here's

here's a very long story short. You're ready, yeah, okay, childhood in Oregon, teenage slash high school years in Washington, twenties and whatnot in Los Angeles, and now I've been spending my thirties here in Atlanta. That's that's that's a very quick version of that. What years were you in Los Angeles? That would have been around two thousand eight ish until who knows, maybe two thousand fifteen, sixteen, something

like that. Okay, I was wondered if we had any overlap, But I left l A in like two thousand and four. I think, yeah, I've heard uh glimmerings of your stories through through podcasting you've done. Uh do you miss it at all? Because my wife misses it like crazy. She she wants to move back all the time. Really, Um, I don't miss living in l A. I certainly you know. I ended up back in Atlanta, where I'm from after many, many years of about twenty years of being away, and

so this is like, this is it for us. But I do love to visit l A. And I have a lot of really good friends in l A. And I miss visiting l A of course right now more than ever. But um, where did you guys live out there? Um? Let's see, we lived in East Hollywood when I first got there, a right like Los Felis or oh no, no, no, not nowhere as fancy as that, like like a real dirt East Hollywood, like the kind of like um place where you wake up and someone has siphoned your gas tank.

You know that that kind of East East Hollywood, and um, yeah, it was all right. And then we lived there for for a while. My wife and I got married while we were still living down there, and then we moved into our own place and more like the like a Palms region kind of your like um Culver City kind of that that zone. Than we lived there for a

while and that was wonderful. Uh, there's you know, as you know, I'm sure there's a lot of great things about living in that city, especially if you're there for the entertainment industry, which which was why I was there. I've been working before my podcasting career. Recently, I worked as an animator for like, I don't know, ten or fifteen years, so that's that's actually part of why I ended up in Atlanta was for more animation work. Wow, Now tell me about animation, Like, what what was your

history there? What did you work on? Um? Lots of things you've heard of and lots of things you haven't heard you know. Um, so, like, for example, my most famous shows that I worked on would be like UM Archer, Um Aquitine, Hunger Force with Billy's um Fargo, Legion, um. Oh. Most recently, UM, I did a whole bunch of stuff on that new show. Um, Cake, I have many little the stuff with your friend John Hodgman on there. So that that's that's a wonderful show and I really love

all the things that contributed to that. And um, you know the way the system works, I still have a movie coming out next year, and let's see here, what else do I have? Oh and one more superhero themed TV show coming out on f x X at some point in the future. But you know who knows. That's awesome? Now what did what did you do? I mean, were you drawing stuff? That's how it started. I started as as an animator and did whatever anyone asked of me, and then, um, you know, you move up, you become

a lead. And when I left, I was the director of short form programming and that's why I was working on Cake. And Um, even as a director, you're still doing a lot of drawing this so I was still doing lots and lots of animation, even as a director towards the end. Now, what brought the career change over to podcasting and how did you come by us? Uh? It did a couple of things. One, UM, I'm sure many people have experienced this in whatever field there in.

But you reach a certain age and you look around and you realize that, like everyone around you, was just getting younger and younger, and perhaps this isn't the kind of career path where you want to grow old in, you know. And that's of course no offense to anyone who has made an amazing career in animation, But um, I noticed for myself when I reached a certain plateau where I was like, oh, I did it, like I

I did it. I reached the top. I'm very happy, and I guess there's nowhere else to go if I'm gonna be living in Atlanta do in this life, I guess I'm done. And so it just felt very natural just to be like, well, I've I've accomplished what I want to accomplish, and I'm I'm done now. And um, very very luckily, I'm the kind of guy where I do something for free for a decade and then someone eventually offers me to do it for money and then

it becomes a career. Like that's how I became an animator, and then that's how I became a podcaster, because the whole time I was working as an as an animator. I did a bunch of independent podcasts on my own time. And then a buddy of mine who I'm sure you know u A how Ak Andrew Howard. Andrew Howard, Yeah, yeah, yeah he he works at the studio A how produces, Um, let's see Sminty is Saber and a couple other shows. Yeah,

but but yeah, he's a wonderful dude. And um, he said to me one day, Hey, my my boss Jerry is looking for some new audio producers. I know you've been doing this for a decade on your own. You want to come, like do it for real? And I'm like, yeah, why not, you know? And so I popped over just just on a whim. And it's been so much fun. I've been doing this with you guys for about a year and a half now and I love it. Yeah. I mean to a great world now that I see you.

I have noticed your face around the office, but I feel like they were always Um. I kind of gave me a picture Andrew in my head, but I know I would kick myself if I did see him. Oh. I mean, it's all these people in the office that when we when we all end up going back, I'm just not going to recognize them anymore. You know, all of our hair will all be grown out. Yeah yeah. Now how have you, um, how have you enjoyed the transition to the audio side? Is it? Uh? Is it fulfilling?

Is it more or less challenging? Um? Honestly, I I love most of all how how easy it is to get something on the air. You know what I mean? Like, like, I'm sure, as you know to from living in Los Angeles, you have the world's best projects, that everything going for them, and then one little thing goes wrong and then millions and millions of dollars are gone, you know. And I well, hmmm, I'm debating whether or I should give you specific funny examples to the end of my animation career. I'll give

you one. I'll give you one. This one's very very public, okay. UM. I was working on a UM pilot for a show about these two police officers. They got these two stand up comedians to play these two police officers, just legends in their field doing their thing. You can probably see where I'm going with this. And it was starring Albert Brooks and Louis c. K And it was a wonderful show.

I really really enjoyed Albert Brooks of course, legend among legends, the greatest, and um, the show got picked up, it was gonna be airing on TBS, and right in the middle of the production, Luis c. K gotten a lot of trouble, right, So yeah, and therefore the entire show, the entire production, completely out the window. You can google this and you can still find like still shots on on the internet of them getting ready to promote this show and it's just never gonna happen, you know, period.

That's it. Did you years? Did you complete episodes and everything? Yeah? Um, yeah, No, I loved it. I absolutely loved it, mostly because I love Albert Brooks. Yeah. And then another one too. Again I debate saying this stuff out loud, but when it reaches like the public sphere, I believe you can talk about it. The other one is um, myself and my

my bunch of my friends, my co workers. We're working on that Donald Glover um uh Deadpool animated series, the one that was getting all kinds of hype and everything. Some of my favorite animation I've ever done was for the pilot for that, and no one will ever see it ever. Heartbreaks so that kind of stuff, like the fact that I spent don't know fifteen years as an animator,

maybe seven of it actually made it to fruish. Yeah. Yeah, podcasting is very quick, like you said, I mean, I mean obviously the no brainer example is we're recording this

on a Wednesday, it's out on Friday. But you can also get a get a show going and if it's an easy lift in a matter of weeks if you want to Yeah, no, no, I mean again, as an animator, there are shows that I pitched when I was oh, I don't know, foof maybe maybe six years in and I'd be like pushing it for like half a decade and then you get real close, then it falls away and real close, then it falls away. Um, I know you're close with um John Hodgman. Do you know Jesse

Thorne as well? Oh yeah, yeah, Jesse's a good friend. Me and Jesse had an animated series we were pitching together and it was so good. I loved it more than anything. It was me, Jesse and Jordan's it was. It was the greatest. And um no, it's just bad timing, multiple times, bad timing. Just it never it never connected. And you know what what and you do Yeah, it's uh, it's heartbreaking. It's like, you know, I used to want to write movies, and I still dabbling that stuff sometimes

just for fun. But it's like, why would anyone want to get involved in that business. It's it's just heartbreak after heartbreak, and it's rare that anyone breaks through it all. And even when you do, like I have plenty of friends who write for TV and stuff that uh, you think, all right, well, I got a job writing on television, I'm I'm set as a writer, And that's just not

the case. It's it's always just you're always scrapping unless you really get to a certain point where you're always working, or you're always someone's first or second call and sought out. But otherwise it's just a grind man. Even even actors just auditioning and getting constantly rejected. It's it's brutal. Why does anyone even want to do it? The finish line,

it doesn't exist either. Like I used to feel when I was younger, that I'm like, oh man, when I reach these certain these certain hallmarks, like for example, um, when I was working on Archer, super duper proud of it. I won my first Emmy, and I was so happy. I was like, Wow, I did it, Like this is like the pinnacle right everyone? And no, nothing, you know what I mean? Like you still don't get like residuals

as an animator. You don't like, you know, suddenly get like a big pay boost you're still working for, like you know, a cable evening TV show. Like it's just there. There is no end points, Like as soon as the show that you are so proud of happens, it ends, you're unemployed and you start over. Yeah, exactly what you never could get. Jesse on Archer, I know that's kind of a running joke for him. I mean, not joke, a real dream. Oh yeah, no I tried. I absolutely

tried that. That's definitely how Jesse and I first met was. Um I drew some fan art of John Hodgeman because John had ruled on a case of mine for Judge John Hodgman. Oh, like you were an actual litigan or was it a was a litigant? Which one? He? He actually wrote it up for one of his New Yorker magazine one and Um I lost it was I love music more than anything, and so I haven't absolutely astronomical

sized um music collection. I like to just have it out on display, so I grabbed from it whatever I want. My wife wanted to move it to the basement, and uh that that the honorable Judge John Hodgman decreed that I had to move my collection to the basement, which is where it is so interesting. I wonder were you're the one who set precedent of his uh of his now multiple rulings on collections. I can't remember how he words him, but it's like, if you actually display it,

then it's a collection. If you don't display it then I don't think he calls it hoarding, but yeah, something about like being in use, in use or something like that. I'm sure there have been many cases that have followed down the same but so yeah. I drew some fan art of John Judge John Hodgman. Jesse Thorne contacted me and was like, oh, hey, I I love this image. Can I use this on the A poster? And like, oh, of course, of course. And I was like, oh, and by the way, I work on the show Archer and

we appreciate how often we talk about the show. And he was like, really, I love Archer. Can I be a voice. That's great. And I've tried. I've tried, but it's never come up. If it happens for him, He's actually gonna be on next week, so he'll be Uh, you'll be hearing Jesse. We're gonna record next Wednesday. Nice. He's He's a great dude. I love Jesse Thorne for every reason in the world. Yeah, he's he's a good guy. I just in fact, I just finished listening to his

Bull's Eye interview with David Letterman today. Yes, which, why, man, it was so good. I don't know if you heard it yet. Yeah, it's it's wonderful and and just I don't know, like I I feel Jesse's excitement when he lands an interview like that. You know, it's pretty great. But he still manages to be a professional, whereas I mean, I'm not a professional interviewer. I do all the wrong things by gushing and telling people how much I love him and all the things you're not supposed to do.

But uh, they're they're conversations. On my end. Jesse's a pro. He's a real pro. Oh he's I mean, I wouldn't even call myself a friend of his. He and I worked on a project once, so I feel free to gush and be very excited about Jesse Thorne. Um, he's one of the best interviewers. He's so good, but like just not not only making the guests feel comfortable, make them feel like appreciated, you know, like so many times. Yeah, yeah, it's really really great. I love that series he did.

I can't remember what he called it, but where he was interviewing other interviewers. Yes, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, that was really very insightful stuff. Also, before you get going to when I talk to you a little bit about Noel kind of gave me a little insider thing that you actually cut and make vinyl LPs yourself. I do. I do technically. Technically what I do is lathe embossing, which is slightly different from cutting. But but yeah, I

know it's it's all I make records. Um, I I run a small record label, and UM I'm in the room right now where I do it, looking at the machine over there. Um. Basically that I'm sure you know this as musician and this person who like music. When you go to get a real vinyl record pressed at a vinyl pressing plant, you it costs so much. You know. Mostly it's because you have to make that stamp, you know,

that has like the two record sides on it. So when you're pressing that vinyl, you gotta like make the cost of creating this giant stamp worthwhile more or less. So you need to order at least three hundred to five hundred copies of this record, and you have to wait like three months for to get back to you and all this stuff, and just like that, that barrier

of entry for musicians is just too much. I mean, I don't know about you, but nine percent of the musicians, z though we're unpopular, we are, we do it for fun and it's it's it's not because it's a money maker. It's because it's a great time, you know. And so I wanted to find an option that could let let an artist release one or two records if we wanted to, or or you know, ten fifty whatever, anything less than three hundred and um. So yeah, I bought a machine.

It's one of those very old timey um like like my machines, like a hundred years old, back in like the nineteen nineteen thirties, like the radio days. What they would do is you know, if they had to rebroadcast cast something either for a later time or if they had to um, you know, send it overseas for like a an army radio station or something, they would make these quick records that sound terrible, honestly, like that's that's what they would make them for and just just they

have something some some duplication device. And those machines obviously went um became obsolete when like you know, uh, real to reels and then later digital files and all that came into play. So people just started going out there and buying up these machines wherever they could and turning them into basically their own home mini record pressing plants.

And that's that's what I do now, and it's it's so much fun, and it's it's just great to be able to help artists because you know, really famous, popular artists don't need the help. They're fine. You know, if if they can afford to make five hundred copies of a record, they're obviously doing just fine on their own.

I I get to support all the artists who have zero for fans, you know, and and have zero money and just like, oh, hey, can I make fifty copies because I really really really want just this one scene to know that I've made a physical record that I'm so proud of. Like absolutely, let's do it. You know, it's it's great. I love it. That is so cool. So someone records something, I mean, how does that process work? In a nutshell, it goes like this, um, basically my machine.

It goes through a couple of you know, like a little daisy chain of electronics down into a little UM one eighth inch headphone jack like like yeah, and basically you can turn that into um, you know, a guitar cable, you can turn into whatever you want, and you just whatever you put into there. It will then go through a system it's just like a graphic equalizer and like a pre amp, and then it just goes into a a little magnet thing of a jig that has a

little ruby stylus. You press into a thing and then it's got a little you know, a gear thing and it moves across the record and it it embosses the song through vibration into it and it's it's really simple. But then like the hard part is just trying to make it sound good, you know, like to get it to work isn't that difficult? To make it sound good is nearly impossible. And that's the fun part, you know, is to like kind of fight the machinery and fight

the music and fight it works so cool. Well, when the end times are over, I'm gonna invite myself over to see this in person, absolutely some time. It's it's it's it's it's just a grand old time. And I know you make music too, So if there's anything you feel like doing, just let me know, because it's it's great to just kick out something just for your own collection to like, Like, I've had friends who have like

what what am I? I've had a couple of really sweet things were Like a friend of mine, he had a recording of his wife ultrasound, and then he has sound from her birth, and then he has sound from like her first words. He edited them all together. I put it on a record for him and he gave it to his wife an anniversary present. Stuff like that is just interesting, wonderful. That gives me some eas then yeah, yeah, anyway, I guess I guess I'll plug it anyway, go to

Haunted Birthday dot com. That's my record label. But I'm checking it out it's fun. I'm gonna put that in my computer right now, check it out later. I have

a little side story to that. My mom. I grew up in Memphis, Tennessee, and she uh before uh Suns Studios with Sun Studios, it was the Memphis Recording Company I think it was called, and you could come in off the street and record something and my mom my mom played I think a saxophone maybe when she was a kid, and my granddad took her in there and she actually cut a record at what would become Sun Records later on when it was the Memphis Record Studio

or I don't know if I'm getting that name right. But it's very cool, cool little story, and she doesn't have the record. I wish she did. That'd be awesome. It's um, it's it's the technology is not too dissimilar even from you. Ever been to a Third Man Records up in Nashville. Yeah, I did go in there and I wanted to record something, but I got nervous and didn't. But but but the the the technology of their record your own record booth and they're a little like gift shop.

The technology is not too dissimilar from that. Yeah, it made me want to buy those booths? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well that's so cool man, I love that. Where do you guys live here in Atlanta? Kind of near East Atlanta village? Okay, yeah, you're not far. I mean he's like you had kids. Oh no, no, I have my wife and I who have been together for a very long time. But but now we have we have no children nor plans for children. All right, Well that's the right way to do it. No. I love my daughter,

but I get it. You can't make your own records when you get a kid around. Yes, that's true. Well that's cool man. Uh, it's good to meet you, and we we're gonna talk a little bit about Got Pilgrim versus the World. You sent over a kind of a quick list Hard Day's Night, which actually already did on the show with Kim Jennings. Uh pre you and um the other one? How do you pronounce the other? Kana

Scotzi Right. I didn't know anything about that, and I'm definitely definitely gonna watch that after I did a little bit of research on it. It looks very very cool. Oh yeah, and and the whole trilogy is good to Koyana Scotzi Pookatzi and not Kwai Kotzi. All three of them are wonderful. I love them. Um Um. I know you're a big music guy too. And it's basically watching

the world's best visualizer for a Philip Glass album. That's what it is, and it's it's, it's it's it's actually turned into a game amongst my friends and I where we just called it Katzi, where we were so excited just to listen to music all the time. But you kind of don't want to just like sit in a chair and stare at each other when you listen to music, so you turn on the TV and mute it, and then you listen to albums and you wait for it to sync up to games like that. So it is

generally a bong involved as well. Yes, of course, of course, it's the social lubricants in that situation. Yeah, that's awesome. I do want to see that. Um yeah. I watched the trailer for it and it looks right at my alley and now it's it's a bit of a time capsule as well, which is kind of cool, Yes, for sure, for sure. But Scott Pilgrim Versus the World a movie that is hard to believe is ten years old that

I really loved and saw it. Uh, watching it again today, I really was mad that I never got to see this in the movie theater. I think I came on a little bit late and saw it when it came out on DVD or maybe even a streaming service. And uh, my wife and I both loved it, and I think I saw it a couple of times back then. But this seems like a movie that would have been a lot of fun to see in a theater from the great Edgar Wright. Um, what was what's your history with

this movie? How did you come about it? I definitely remember seeing it in theaters, and you are correct in that I bet it would have been fun to see with an audience, but I did not because I saw in theaters you didn't perform that well did it know, which, which still to this moment astonishes me. I don't understand that in the least. Um. But but yeah, I was

really excited for it. I had read the comics, and um, I I obviously was a big fan of everyone involved as an actor, but it was also really really excited about the music involved. Like I I'd heard that Beck was writing the music for sex Ba bomb and that Metric right he did, Oh yeah you know here here, so I'll throw it down a few um deeper music things in this uh So, all of the sex Ba Bamba songs were written by Beck and that's kind of why they're so good. Yeah, and this movie wouldn't have

worked if they weren't really good songs exactly. And then um the Clash of demon Head all of their songs were written by Metric. Then um Crash and the Boys all their songs were written by Broken Social Scene and so um I had heard about that, and so that that's initially what drew me in. And I saw how good this soundtrack was, and I was like, all right, obviously this is gonna be good if they're putting this kind of effort and energy into the soundtrack, you know.

Um So, I mean my friends went and saw it, and man, I I still remember. Um So, there's the opening uh universal logo with like the eight bits, and that's real cool and fun. And then when they start playing that very first song and you see knives Chow's face just like pure bliss and discovery, and the room

kind of falls back into lightning. Bolts are coming off and then it goes to this beautiful animated sequence for the opening credits, Like I just felt chill chills all over my body and like, oh, I'm experienced some something incredible for the first time right now, and I'm realizing how good it is in the moment. I'm so happy right now, you know, Yeah, I mean it was it's it's really a movie unlike any other. I think it's. UM. I was sort of trying to categorize it, and here's

what I came up with. Is a comic book, fantasy, video game, martial arts, romantic comedy. It's it's sort of all those things. And it wouldn't have worked if it hadn't have been funny. It wouldn't have worked if there hadn't been a great love story at the heart of it. And it's also a hero's journey. It wouldn't have worked

as well if the martial arts scenes weren't so fucking amazing. Um, all the all the video game, and it's it's maybe the most comic bookie uh, comic book movie I've ever seen too, Like they really nailed up and then yet

they succeeded. So many people have tried, but they really succeeded in making it feel like a comic book with all the all the graphic flourishments, and just like the action and the way the shots kind of progressed the storyline like with their visual you know, like where it mirrors what a comic panel would do, but in a completely different medium, which is just astonishing that he accomplished it.

You know. Yeah, Like I'm trying to like, this is a movie that is very much built in an edit room, but it's also a movie that I can't imagine how meticulously it was storyboarded Um, it's not a movie where you just you know, you shoot your wide and you shoot your over the shoulders and you get your coverage

and move on. Like I imagine, Edgar Wright was very very specific and how like everything how one shot went to another, and even little small shots like that that one where uh, where Scott just twirls around and all of a sudden it's not him, but it's uh, who's the lead singer while Steven stills, which is pretty funny. Um, Like, just little things like that. It just everything married together so well that the split screens and all the different

stuff that looks like a comic book page. Uh, it's just so lively and energetic, and like all his movies are that, but this one really just like is an assault on the senses and all the right way, I think, oh for sure. And and to what you're saying, here's what I've heard about Edgar Wrights. Obviously I don't know the man who knows, but from what I've heard is that he likes to plan his animatics down to the millisecond, you know, because that's the way he gets his like

music just right. And then he basically he breaks down everything from his antimatics into just a shopping list. And then he he says, at least for him, that it's not too difficult to film a movie because he already knows exactly what he's looking for, so like the big question to him is did I get it? Or did I not get it? And that's it, you know, It's

just it's just a shopping list. And from what I've heard, that was very valuable when he was making Baby Driver, because that is so reliant on hitting these musical beats and having these moments so exact from yes, exactly. And I think I would assume that he learned a lot about sinking music too scene to telling a story from Scott Pilgrim that he used in Baby Driver. No, absolutely

you can. Um. I mean the movies aren't really anything alike, but the DNA is there, and uh it's for sure like a one point oh version of what Baby Driver would become as far as sinking and marrying music to film. Uh, like like I've never seen before in Baby Driver. But um, the I know Nigel Godrich actually worked on did he did the score for this? He did, He did the score and he was the executive music producer. So I mean,

like that's astonishing. Um. I mean obviously he's got all kinds of credit from his Radiohead production stuff and whatnot, but also him as a musician. He's got this really amazing band called Ultra Easta that I love so Like it's it's great when you see people who don't get the credit for being a musician get these huge like gigs like who check it out? Look at your score? And I I also love how often Nintendo themes are woven into the score. It it feels so good, um

from what I heard. Um, basically, uh, Edgar Wright had to write to Nintendo and wrote this big gushing letter about how, um the Nintendo songs from Legend of Zelda specifically, but also Mario and Ted Person, etcetera. Um, they are the lullaby of this generation. And without that that kind of like glue to like bind things together, he felt like the story would be false, and Nintendo, to their credit, was like, absolutely, go go for it, totally. It's great

for them. I mean he could have I'm sure they could have written some stuff that would have subbed in nicely. But there's something about using those real music stings like you said that everyone UH is so familiar with, Like

it really hit a generation in just the right way. Um. And then you know the songs the needle drops on some of these songs too, from other artists, some of my favorite artists, like the the Perfection of I heard Ramona saying from Frank Black and Uh, Beechwood Sparks, who was one of my favorite bands when I lived in l A. That's when they were big. Saw them a

couple of times back then. And that cover of Chard's By Your Side is you know, I was waiting for someone to use that in a movie, and someone finally did in Beechwood Sparks got a little recognition, and they were they were a pretty small, you know, fairly regional band, I feel like in that southern California scene back in the early two thousand's. But I just love seeing them get a little love in this movie too. Yeah, no, I completely agree. And um one of my favorite jokes

from this movie was one of those needle drop moments. It's, um, let's see they're they're all doing their thing. They sex bomb is facing off against the two twins and they're having that big, like amp to amp battle. They literally blew the roof off the place, and so like some snow is coming in through that hole in the roof. Scott is walking through the crowd, he passes by knives Chow.

She's looking extremely sad and dejected, and she's standing in this little like almost like spotlight of snow and sadness. And then the song um Owed for a seventeen year old girl starts playing by broken social scene. Yeah, and it's such a subtle joke because you need to know the name of the song to know that it's talking about Nie Chow in that moment. And then they don't,

they don't call attention to it. It's just a complete one percent joke, and then they just keep going and then and then oh, then that follows it with another one. Then they get outside and Gideon Graves, Um, he's kind of showing off that he is in control of Ramona and so then playing outside the speakers of his car is under my thumb by the rolling stones. It's just such fun, like like they bothered to be clever. That's kind of all I can ask of anyone. You know.

It's like, I'm sitting down and giving you my time. Are are you grateful for my time? And you're going to bother to actually think about this and give me back something that's clever and fun? Yeah. Yeah. And the attention to detail and just the density of his movies

is really like he's not phoning it in man like. Yeah, it's really it makes you respect him, like you love the movies, but you also really respect him as a filmmaker because he does care about that thing and about the you know, the five people who know that that broken social scene song title. Uh, and I've got some of my favorite lines here too, um and little stuff. I mean, Michael Sarah is so great, Like the cast is just unbelievable in this movie, but he feels like

he was born to play um. From what I've heard, basically, Edgar Wright was a huge fan of Arrested Developments, like we all were in their early two thousands and um when he saw him, he was like he had just gotten the rights to make the movie, and so he was like, oh, man, if Michael Sarah was just a little bit older, he would be this perfect Scott Pilgrim. Then, of course the movie went into production hell, and it

got delayed by like five years. And then yeah, he was like, oh perfect, I can have my first choice now he has aged into it. Well. Of course, May Whitman, she was from Arrest of Development and she plays Roxy. She's got a lot of funny lines in this movie actually because she's kind of dumb and says things wrong. But the you punched me in the boob pair to die obviously, Uh, that's a great line from her. And then uh, geez, what was the other one? Oh? Here, and this is such a great dumb joke, but it

gets me every single time. I literally laugh out loud. Your BF is about to get f in the b Yes, so simple. I'm the sucker for word play like that, and There's a lot of great word play in the movie, and a lot of really subtle lines for Michael Sarah because he's so low key whether or not he's saying, uh, she's America instead of she's American, just like little bitty jokes like that, or break out the L word lesbian, the other L word lesbians. Big Kieran Culkin fan two.

Oh yeah, that's fantastic, perfect in this It was. I mean, obviously everyone loves McCauley, but you know, watch more Biggy Goes Down and watch this movie and you're gonna love Karen. He's the best. I love, I love be Goes Down. It's one of my favorites too. Um. Brandon Routh was very surprisingly money. Yeah yeah, I did not know he had it in him, but he That was one of the funnier sequences was was him. And then of course Thomas Jane is part of the Vegan Police. Yes, very

very funny stuff. You punched the highlights. He punched the highlights out of her hair. Uh. Here's two more favorite lines. If I peed my pants, would you pretend I just got wet from the rain. That's like a great song lyric or something. And then Kim has a great line too, and say something about a secret can we play a secret show? And she just throws it in there, all our shows or secret shows, and it moves so fast.

You know, there's so many lines coming at you there, these little quick insert lines, especially from Kim, these little asides that, uh that just really really hit home and in the best way. Alison Bill is great, Oh, just so good. Well. One of my favorite gifts that I've used my I guess for the past ten years, um, is the one of Alison Pill bringing her fingers up to her head as if she's gon shoot herself in the head and squeeze the trigger and then the word

bang comes out the other side falls down. I use that gift far too often, but it's so perfect. Well, and everyone has a nice little arc too. Um. You still, you can make a movie like this that's fun and kind of bet ship crazy and visually just bonkers, but you have to have good story and good character arcs. And everyone has one, you know. I feel like Knives

has one. I feel like Kim has one. She gets her a little moment at the end where there's a there's an understanding between she and Scott when he apologized to her. Um, Ramona certainly does Scott. Does I think Julie albrey Plaza is Julie never really? I mean she's she's great in the movie, but she she doesn't have much of an arc No, Um, yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right. It's um. It also to me just feels good, like I know, it actually has a lot in common

with the movie did Last Week Still Crazy? Because it's it's a music centric band related etcetera, etcetera, And there's I would wonder, I know you and I both play music.

I would wonder people who have never been in a band and like never gone to those dive venues and never done those kind of just like to me like essential parts of my childhood in my life, if it would, if it would strike as as as like close to the heart as it does with people like you and I. I would like to think so because I can watch you know, Remember the Titans, and I know that it's a good film despite the fact that I didn't play football.

But but I I don't know if um, perhaps it was a world you needed to live to feel its authenticity Like I don't know, but but I I do know that like that feeling of playing music with with friends and being in sync with one another and actually creating something larger than yourself with this group of people. It just it feels good when you're doing it. And I think watching this movie makes you feel that feeling as well. And it's just a good feeling. It feels happy.

I totally agree. And um, the band, the band stuff really works. Like we already said the music was great, but they they look the part, it's they pull it off. It feels like I didn't look it up. But is is a guy who plays Steven Stills? Is he really singing that stuff? He is? Yeah, all of the band had to learn their instruments, except for Michael Sarah. Michael Sarah already knew how to play bass, but but the other members all had to learn it and then do

it for real. Yeah, it comes across. And now that you say that beck wrote the songs, it makes a lot more sense. They sound a little Becky. That sort of beat her acoustic guitar makes more sense now. I like that effect of that, that sort of beat up acoustic that's run through a distortion pedal a power amp, Like that's not something people do generally in a band, but it's got a cool sound to it. Um. What what you should look up when we're done here is um.

There are versions you can hear of Beck performing his songs wrote for Sex. Yeah, they're wonderful, really good stuff. Yeah. I've seen as I'm sure you haven't seen Back a bunch of times over the years, and I always tell people you gotta go see Back. And even if people are like, well, that's sort of just like him, and I'm like, just go see him live, He's like, uh, the it's a weird comparison, but if you see him live, you get it. He's like the James Brown of our time. Definitely.

I feel like when you see him live, dance moves aside, because he has killer dance moves that I've tried to replicate my whole life and never once come close to,

but he pulls them off effortlessly, you know. Yeah. And and just what he's been doing for the past like fifteen years with doing stuff like Sea Change in Morning Phase, which are two of my favorite albums of all time by anybody, but then coming back and doing something like uh it was the album Colors, the one, two albums Ago two, albums Ago right, just like hyper Space, Yeah yeah and hyper Space both just like serious party albums. And he's just sort of floating in between these were worlds.

And that band that he plays with live is just so fucking kick cass Or able to just seamlessly kind of go back and forth. When they did you know, the sort of the sea change morning face stuff, it was like they had been replaced by different people. They were just so lithe and able to bounce around between. Because he's a genre hopper anyway, you know, that's what he's always done. But uh boy, it was just so so great to see him live. I can't wait to

go see live music again. I I agree. I I still have a big pile of concert tickets and UM bracelets from festivals just sitting around my house that that are that I couldn't go to obviously that I just can't bear to throw away. Had. Yeah, but like I had some noise pop UM festivals as things. I had big years up in uh Tennessee. I UM I had a whole bunch of tickets for UM. I live right here by the Earl, so I go to the Earl

on a regular basis. Well, I went to the earl on a regular basis, and um, yeah I have to. I have some shaking near knees stuff, and it's just like, yeah, I just I can't throw it away because it's like, I don't know, almost like admitting that it's gone. It's never gonna happen again. I don't know, now, I'm with you. I had a couple of big show tickets. Um, I had the um Guns and Roses at grant Field, had

tickets for that, and that didn't happen. And then I had tickets for Roger Waters, had really good seats for Roger Waters, and I was so looking forward to that, and uh, you know, hopefully he'll come back. Yeah, I mean, you know, with with all the news of vaccines, I'm much more optimistic today than I was a week ago.

You know, totally absolutely. Chris Evans pops into the movie, just Evans as Lucas Lee, and he has that I mean, that's one of the funniest sequences in the movie, I think because he's so perfect for that part skateboarding onto the set. Uh, that one line where he where the stunt doubles come out and he goes Sometimes I let him do the white shots when I feel like getting Blaze back in my winnie. He's so great. I mean, he's just a national treasure man. Everything that guy does

is perfect. I think, oh yeah, no. And it's it's fun to see him being himself too, because I remember, relatively early on in his success of his career, he would still do things like show up on like Doug Loves Movies and stuff like that all the time, and it's like, yeah, good for you, buddy, Like, yeah, you're You're just a likable guy and you're playing that role in life as well as in movies, and we all

appreciate it. He seems like a totally cool dude. I'm kind of mad at him because of like how handsome and perfect he is while also being super cool and up for anything. Yeah yeahing for the cracks that there should be something but yeah, no, no that yeah there, there's there's those John Hamm people in the world. We're just like, come on, be be bad at something. I don't know, have been missing a hand, I don't know something. Yeah. I met John him once, very briefly, and I wanted

to kiss him. Yes, of course I wanted to kiss that sweet handsome face. Uh. There was another very funny, funny, very quick, subtle joke. Um. Another great example how Edgar right, just like it's just overstuffed with little quick lines that you've got to see this movie a few times to

really kind of get everything. But when he's when Chris Evans is grinding that rail on the skateboard, and then that's really funny, super long, uh long lin shot where he just burst into flames at the bottom and yeah, the first thing you hear is, wow, that's a wrap. Everybody in the background, it's it's it's fantastic. And I feel like Edgar Wright has done this again and again,

and I'm up for it every time. Like like um, the jokes from his Corneto trilogy, Uh, Shaun of the Dead, Um, Hot Fuzz and the one I was get confused with all the other movies about the end of the world, Um, the end of the World, the World's end, at World's End. I think that's that's the only one I haven't seen. I still haven't seen that one. It's solid. I mean, it's it's of course it is, you know, it's called

all the Great Players. Yeah, but but just think about how dense and structured Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead are like, you're just their perfection. Every single little off comments comes back in the end and like it just all pays off. It's all so funny. Edgar Wright really is a treasure. Like like, I don't know if he gets enough credits for what he does. He doesn't. I feel like he's one of those guys that's working sort of he's leveled up and he's working on a

different plane than a lot of other filmmakers. Um Like, like what's going on inside his brain to be able to make any of his movies or to be able to visualize in storyboard a Baby Driver or a Scott Pilgrim or any of them. They're just, uh, it's really really impressive stuff and it looks and it feels effortless.

They're just so easy to watch. Yeah, no, no, um Like, like, for example, you know there's um when you were asking me which movie to pick, there's to me, there's a big difference between what you think is the best movie and which you consider a favorite movie, as I'm sure most people do. Like absolutely, if someone were to ask me what do I think is the best movie? I'd

probably say The Master that that Paul Thomas Anderson. Yea, just you know, the acting, the decisions, the mastery of every single medium being delivered into like a solid chunk. I mean, The Master is probably the best movie. But how often do I watch it? Not that often. I can watch Scott Pilgram with ease. It's it's just it's it's a nice, you know, warm cup of tea in the morning. It's it's it's perfect, you know. Yeah, and it was. It's one of those that back when I

had cable and you would just flip around. You can watch any part of it for fifteen or twenty minutes, and that is fifteen or twenty minutes of your life that you're not gonna want back, you know. Definitely you can jump in there and just appreciate, uh, any part of this movie. Um Jason Schwartzman unbelievable, one of my favorite actors. A thing about Jason Schwartzman in this I'd love to know. I don't know if this story is public. A friend of mine knew him, and um or still

does know him. I don't know. I don't know him. And from this friend he told me he was like, oh, man, Jason's really excited about this movie, because this is gonna be his first big blockbuster and I'm like, what, No, No, obviously he's been in tons of big blockbusters. He's like, think again, Like, think about every movie Jason Schwartzman has done pre Scott Pilgrim, and I'm like, yeah, very popular films, beloved cult classics, but never like a blockbuster. So he's more,

wasn't some huge movie? No, no, none, None of his films have been. They've all been great. Of course I love Jason Schwartzman, but this was gonna be his big breakouts, Like this was gonna be his big studio film. I'm an all star now. And so what's funny was after the movie came out, I was like, Oh, I have have you spoken to Jason? Did? Did you find out? He was really excited. He's like no, like why, He's like it flopped. I'm like, it didn't flop. He's like, no, no,

it flopped, Like no, no, it's a great movie. It's really goes like everyone loves it, but it flopped. And I I'm still baffled by that, but whatever, you know, yeah, I feel like it's definitely a movie that has had a tremendous second life post theatrical run. Um, and you

know that happens. It's just one of those things where whether it was back in the VHS days or DVD or now streaming, where a movie can just I don't know, maybe it's timing, uh, because it is strange how how that that many people can love this movie because I

feel like it is a very beloved movie. But maybe I mean, I know that I didn't even really know much about the comic at all going in, Like so when it when it came out in the theaters, it wasn't something that grabbed my attention like, oh my god, this Got Pilgrim movie is out right, So yeah, I guess it does come down to marketing. That's always such a dangerously yeah Ellen Wong as knives Chow so cute,

so endearing. Um, this movie does a thing where it kind of leaves you guessing up until the very end, like and and not only guessing on what's going to happen, but I think makes you conflicted as a viewer of whether or not who you want Scott to be with, Like you're kind of going back and forth between Ramona, Uh, Mary Elizabeth win said, who was fantastic and like, you know, like every every person whoever saw this movie has like a huge crush on her after this of course, Yeah,

that cool hair and just like her like a loof persona, Like every guy in the world is just like, oh my god, it was like my dream girl, you know, because uh, we all want to be hurt, I think deep down. But even watching it today, I was like, ah, do I want him to be with Ramona or Knives Nice as great? Yeah? Well, did you know that there is an alternate ending to this film where he ends up with Nice? Really? Doesn't the DVD in the blue ray?

And um and yeah, because um from what I have heard, basically because there are I think six the other six books in the actual series, only the first two were finished when the when the first draft of the script was written. So, um, I know Brian Lee O'Malley, the guy that wrote the comics and drew the comics, he was very involved just because Edgar Wright really wanted to involve him. So I'm sure he got all kinds of notes from Brian Lee O'Malley, like oh, where do you

think the story is going? Etcetera, etcetera. But that that's also it makes a lot of sense if you read the comics and watch the movie where it's got kind of a game of throne syndrome, were like clearly the ones where they are basing it on the book. It's real stretched out and he got tons of time and energy spent there because think about it, like the first three Evil x Is take up like, oh, I don't know, three quarters of the movie, and then like the last

few are in rapid succession all at the end. That's because those books weren't written yet, so so those stories hadn't been fleshed out, and there wasn't there wasn't there wasn't anything there like so so for example, Um, you can tell the timeline of the movie by Ramona's hair because Ramona says she changes her hair every week and a half, so it changes three times, so it's approximately four weeks. You know. That's that's what we know that it takes place over a year in the books, So

you see so much more of their lives. You see um, Scott getting a job, You see Ramona like you know, going back and forth on how she feels about Scott's you know what I mean. Like it's it's it's like this real growth you see Knives Turn eighteen. Like all these things happen in the books, and so it kind of makes um one thing, which is like the reason why they're all kind of like as dedicated to each other as they feel like they are in the movie.

It makes a little more sense in the book because it's kind of like, you know, it unfolds more slowly and realistically. You know. Yeah, but it didn't suffer from it. I don't think either, especially because at that age infatuation was so strong. Yeah, like totally, it feels absolutely I

I fully agree. But boh, but but back to the alternate ending with Knives chow Um, it's fascinating because it makes just as much sense, like you were saying, like like it really does feel because ultimately it's the same scene, but instead of him walking off with Ramona, Ramona goes you know, you two really were good together, and then Ramona walks off alone and those two walk off together. You know, that almost feels like the more natural ending to this movie. Because Ramona is a loner, she has

a hard time committing. It's probably Knives is probably the better choice. I mean, Scott's really immature, so maybe he should be with someone about five years younger than him maybe, so. Uh, it is kind of funny what a big deal they make about that at the beginning, that you know, she's seventeen. She's seventeen, and he's what I guess, like twenty two. Yeah, he's twenty two. Yeah. The actor who plays with though, Ellen Wong, I'm not sure how old. Oh she was

twenty five when they when she filmed this. Yeah, I knew she was a little bit older because she's thirty five now, Like she's older than Bree Larson by four or five years. Yeah, yeah, she's currently young face though, oh yeah, for sure. Um. A lot of the actors swapped up. Their age is a lot like for example, Anna Kendrick is actually older than Michael Sarah but plays his little sister. Um, there's's apparently several things like that.

But you know they're they're all around that twenties age. Yeah, oh yeah. Anna Kendrick is also just in this movie for a minute or two. Uh. And Bree Larson just a little actor named Bree Larson. I mean she's blown up since then. But when you look at the cast, it's really really pretty astonishing. I mean, basically everyone is an all star in this Like even the people where I don't know their names, I still really like them in other movies, Like the the guy that plays Young Neil.

He was really wonderful in Jennifer's Body. Did you ever see that movie? Yeah, And just like dumb stuff like that where it's just like, oh, yeah, no, that's a great actor. That's a great actor. That's a great actor. Like they're all good you know, no, no, there there's there's no um, there's no weak chain on this movie at all. Everyone's perfect and what they're doing. Yeah, And I feel like he's sort of, um, he broke some of these people. I mean some of them were in

other movies. But like I said, Bree Larson wasn't that huge then. Anna Kendrick had yet to kind of really blow up I think at that point. Yeah, this was pre Twilight, pre Pitch Perfect. So yeah, yeah, um the guy like you were talking about, um, Young Neil Johnny Simmons. He has another very very quick little joke that is

so easy to miss. Um early on in the Battle of the Bands when he is side stage singing, Um, he's singing along with the band and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about he goes, oh no instead of saying oh my, and he does that thing where that where everyone's done it, where you mess up a word and he goes oh no, and then he goes my yes. Because I I do think there's something very instinctual in all of us when we go see a concert that inside our bodies we want to feel like

we're involved. And that's why we sing along, that's why we clap along, that's how we dance along. And and then those moments happen where you think something's happening, but you're obviously wrong, and you're quickly reminded and embarrassed by the fact that, oh wait, I'm not involved. You're not a part of this. I'm not My contribution is not a part of what's making this great. I only feel that on the inside. Yeah, although you know and you know this too, and I know this isn't what you meant.

But I've been to shows where the crowd has clearly taken things up a nuch. Yeah, I went to a U And the one that most recently then I'm thinking of and even had him on movie Crush was Albert Hammond Jr. Um played at Terminal West here and it was you know, I mean, I'll go to a show any night of the week, but those there's something about a Friday night show. People have gotten off work. It's

the beginning of the weekend. They're always better. Um, people partying a little harder and it's just a little bit more intense. But he uh played on a Friday night on his last time through town, and it was just just unbelievable how much more energy that show had because of the crowd, and you could sense it in the band, you could, and he even said something, he was like, what is going on in Atlanta tonight? And he was like, this is amazing and you could tell they were feeding

off of it. And I talked to him afterwards he and I was like, that seemed like a great show. And I always whenever I have the few times have been able to like meet and know a musician and go backstage and stuff, I'm always like, was that a good show? Like, because it felt great? But what do you think? Um? And the same thing happened to a Doctor Dog show I went to. Both times. They were like, yeah, dude, that was one of the best shows on the tour so far, and you can you can tell you know,

it's infectious. I had one of those moments last year obviously pre covid uh Slater Kenny was playing here in town, and actually me and Nol went together to that show. And um, obviously, as as I'm sure you can tell from getting to know me now, Nolan and I are very similar people. I like Nola lots. He's a great dude. Um, So we went to this show and um, I wanted to go to that show. Yeah, it was great, it

was really great. And um then uh, Carrie Brownstein was upfront because she was singing her song Modern Girl, and the audience was singing along with such fervor and like ferocity along with her that she broke down into tears turned the end of the song Are you kidding Me? And it was just such a beautiful moment, you know, of just to like have her experience the love back in real time. It's great stuff. So cool. Music's the greatest, which is I think what what makes this movie so great.

Here's a little fun fact. Corn Tucker is uh in her whole family or big stuff. He should know fans. Oh that's wonderful, that's what she's cool. I've met her and I know her husband Lance a little bit. And uh, she's actually gonna be in conversation with Josh and I on one of our virtual book tour stops. Nice. Uh. And she is just super nice and a a wonderful, wonderful human being. So she is exactly how you would think she would be. That's perfection. That's that's all I

want from her, and I'm happy it's true. Uh. And great family too, They're just they're just wonderful people. Another little quick joke when she's going through the t selection so fast Ramona in her apartment. Um, liver disaster. I always think twice about liver disaster because because some of those are our teas that I genuinely drink in my real life. I genuinely genuinely drink Sleepy Time tea pretty often.

So liver disaster. Well, I'm sure you've had throat coat if you, uh, yes, yes, and yeah, you gotta gotta keep I have a cup of peppermint big alt right here next to me, just in case I need it. Nice. I had some English breakfast this morning. Uh. I also wanted to comment to on like how good the music is is really evidenced in that little acoustic Ramo in a song that Michael Sarah in the movie Michael, you know, Scott Pilgrim writes for her is that's such a great

little chord progression. There's something about it. It's, uh it feels sort of Frank Blackie and sort of Pixies esque. But um, I don't did Beck do that? Do you know? He did? He did? Yes? Yeah, And there's a chord sequences just gets me there. There's a full length version of it on the soundtrack that's wanderful, really good stuff.

But uh, no, you know, you're you're absolutely right, Like there's just this there's this X factor in music that a lot of people have kind of like talked about before, but when you get it right, it just feels so right. And I wonder, um, do you know about the whole thing of aesthetic bliss for zon? If you were talked about thought about that before, no more or less and and this is I'm nowhere and you're smart enough to

know the science behind this. But for Zon is the feeling when you're listening to music or watching a movie and you get the chills go up your spine. Okay, and um, yeah, it's it's a French term and it translates to aesthetic bliss. And um, I'm a person who experiences that often music, especially like when when when a certain chorus kicks in or certain like change happens, Like I'll get that often. I get those chills from this

movie like five or six times. Like there are just so many moments that feel so right and um, and like it's I think it's the music. I think the music and the tone of music and the feeling of music, and I think anyone who's a music fan just feels a part of it. And I guess it's kind of like the singing along thing where it's like, I'm a part of this, I'm involved. You know, it makes you want to go grab your guitar and learn that chord sequence.

I was trying to follow along, but um, I'll hear the song later and I'll get up my guitar and I will start playing that Ramota song. Totally. It's so great. And you know how they fused the music and the video game stuff and fantasy and reality in the movie. How it's uh, you know, it's definitely a fantasy film in a lot of ways, but it's also grounded in that you know, when Scott's doing these fights, uh, his sister is just looking like what the fund is he doing?

Like how does he know how to do that? And it just sort of dances between these worlds very definitely. Uh, and it's it's a bit of a miracle of a movie, I think to be able to pull this off. It was very risky and it could have gone wrong a lot of times, and it just never did. There's a

couple of things about what you just said. First of all, that moment which is wonderful with Anna Kendrick when he's doing the first fight um uh in the in the club and m Matthew Patellmes in that's thirty minutes into

the film before we get our first fight scene. Like, that's that is gutsy, and I really really appreciate that because it's it's kind of like a from Dusk till Dawn kind of thing, and you're like, Okay, we're having a heist movie vampires, you know, like you know, if you don't know the story, it's it feels just like a really kind of fun, interesting, romantic comedy with a

different spin on it. And then all of a sudden, at that first plot point, that act break you you know what's gonna happen is he's got all of a sudden, the stakes are there. He's got to fight these evil x is. And that's when the movie just kind of goes up again. It loves it levels up, to use a video game term. And I think that moment with Anna Kendrick when she she just goes like what you just I think she's reflecting the audience there where you

you acknowledge that the film has acknowledged that this is confusing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Uh. I love everything about it. It's a movie that I want to see a sequel for. I don't know if that is a thing or not. Not not really in the books because the books wrapped up there. Um, so I would love it too. Yeah, I want that. Maybe

maybe we'll get lucky. You know. While I'm reading now, it says Edgar Right has revealed he's intentative stages of planning a new, possibly animated project with the original material, but a big screen sequel is unlikely. Well, I'll take anything, yeah, and then totally that would still be a lot of fun.

I mean, everyone's a little old now. I don't know Michael Sarah what he's he's probably too old a place, Scott didn't he I mean, unless they did that thing where the film jumps forward in time, you know, like, um, did you ever read the graphic novel for Fight Club too? No? I heard about that though. It's really interesting, and the way that they accomplish it is basically they jumped forward in time because obviously that if the story continued right where they left off, it would more or less be

the same. But they jumped forward to they're married, they have a kid, etcetera, etcetera. Interesting, and so then it is much more of like a oh, what could be happening, Let's catch up, almost like seven up style, you know. So that's something um in in the regard to like this movie being just like so strange structurally and being kind of a fantasy and kind of all these things. Um. I heard Edgar Wright say this thing once where basically he considered this film to be a musical, except instead

of breaking into songs, they've broke into fights. That's great sense, you know, It's like I feel that because especially, you know, like in most musicals, there's no reason for them to break into song. It just kind of happens at like a heightened point of emotion. Same thing. There's no real reason for these fights to break out, but in the

logic of the world, it makes sense, you know. Yeah. Uh, well, dude, I feel like we could keep talking, but I have to go get my daughter from school, so unfortunately we have to cut this short. But I think Seth, you have worked your way into the regular rotation. If you're up for it anytime you need me, that's what I'm here for, sweet man. That's awesome. This is a lot of fun. It's good to get to know you. Well. I'm glad the listeners have gotten to know you a

little bit. And uh, you know, whether you like it or not, you're gonna start coming on like a very you know, six or seven weeks. Maybe you got it. It sounds great, buddy, Thanks a lot. Movie Crash is produced and written by Charles Bryant and Meel Brown, edited and engineered by Seth Nicholas Johnson, and scored by Noel Brown here in our home studio at Postey Market, Atlanta, Georgia.

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