Miranda Hawkins on Silver Linings Playbook

Movie Crush Friday interview editions. And if you heard a nice lady speaking on the other end of the mic, that is Miranda Hawkins, who you don't know yet but you soon will. Hi say Hi. So Miranda is uh, what what are the official titles these days? I don't even know. I know you're a producer. I'm a producer. Um. I still keep the title as journalists because some of the shows I've worked on still require some of those skills. So I still say I'm a journalist and a producer. Cool,

very nice. Um, So Miranda came to our network. Um, jeez, it's been a while now, hasn't it two and a half years now? What? Yeah, I know, I know. The other day I was like, oh my goodness, because I started right about my birthday. So that's like, you know, every birthday I have. I'm like, that's a two year mark and we've moved past that by a few months. We're in the post birthday mode. Post birthday mode. Yeah. So, um,

you came to us though kind of it. It wasn't a weird time, but it was you and like I feel like four or five other people that were brought in all at once and then sort of sequestered this team that didn't um have a lot to do with kind of everything else. You were all working on your own stuff with one of the gentleman who used to kind of run our network. Trying to say this all in the right way. I think you're doing a pretty

good job. Basically, we all came from different backgrounds, and I think only one of us had previous experience with making a podcast, and so we were all essentially thrown to the wolves and making this very big podcast. It's like okay, here you go, and then you have four months to do this, and we're all like okay, um. And that was Atlanta Monster, right, No, it was the

second one. It was Monster the Zodiac Killer. Okay, yeah, right, But three of us came from journalism backgrounds, and one of us came from more of a music engineering background. So yeah, it was it was a lot. It was a lot of fun, but it was definitely figuring it out as we went. Well, the weird thing is is that we've worked together for two and a half years and I don't even know you that well. So this will be great for everyone because I can get to

know you as the listeners do. Which one were you? Were you music background or journalism journalism? My background is actually investigative journalism. That's what I really wanted to do. But I had actually quit being not quit being a reporter, but I had moved over into a different position. So I moved over to the position of working on a arts and culture program here in Atlanta, and I was

a producer for that when I came over here. Um, so yeah, it was a little bit of a bit of a wayward stray over here, but yeah, and that's yeah, So that's my background for the most part. Where did you do you move to Atlanta from somewhere? Now, I've been in Atlanta. I've been in Atlanta for ten years. I've been inside the perimeter for six now. I went to Georgia State. That's where I graduated from. Yeah, and

I graduated with a journalism degree. But I worked at W A. B which is one of the NPR affiliates, and I was there. I was there six months after graduating, and I was there for two and a half years before I came over here. So it's cool. Yeah, where are you from? Originally Richmond, Well, not Richmond. I was born in Richmond. Originally Fredericksburg, Virginia. So I was up there for fifteen years and then my mom moved me down to Raybon County, Georgia. If anyone knows where that is,

it's in the middle of nowhere. I know where it is. Yeah, okay, well you know, but most people don't. I normally have to um if basically for those who don't, it is the north the northeastern corner of Georgia. It is twelve miles from the border of North and South Carolina. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah, well it's lovely to visit, not to move a fifteen year old with nothing to do. I hear you, Yeah, I hear you. Um. Just so everyone knows what's going on in real time too. I think

this will come out probably next Friday. But as we are recording right now, it is um just to gauge our mood, it is the day after the Georgia Senate election. So I'm a little tired, I'm a little hungover. I am fly high, and right now it is literally one fifteen when you know Congress has convened to certify or not certify. Um, I know that's it's not gonna happen yet to certify to certify Biden's wins. So it's just

a big day. It's a huge day. I feel like that's all anyone, you know, that's all what's on our minds, especially Georgia. Like we've had so much writing on Georgia, Like I never expected us to be the battleground this election season, and no I thought it was. We were

one early is what I thought. Yeah, And honestly, like while I'm definitely one of those people who has like posted every day like vote you need to make sure to vote, and like posting all my voting selfies, I'm also very tired of all of the hi Winifred have you voted today? Like I did phone baking too. I was one of those people. But I am ready to

get past this. Yes, I'm ready to not get texts. Um, they got Emily and I my wife switched out somehow because I'm getting messages in text to Emily Ly on my phone. I'm not sure how that happened, but yeah, I'm ready for that to stop. Yeah. I've been Win a Fred this whole time, so that's been my like, I guess my alter egos win of Fred now. Oh yeah, and I just haven't. I think I'm fine with this. That might have to be your new nickname. What are

you working on these days? Anything that you can talk about or plug? Um. So, I'm working on all of Aaron Manky shows. If you've heard of American Shadows, that's one of the shows I work on with Lauren Vogelbaum, who is absolutely amazing. It's really nice because I haven't got to work with another woman really as far as like a host our producer, I'm pretty much on a male dominant team. Um. And then uh, let's see, we're working on the second season of Strange Arrivals, which yes,

is like all about aliens and things like that. Um. And I work with Toby Ball on that. He's a host of that and he's absolutely lovely and then there's a few other things I can't really talk about that are like pre pre pre produce, auction, but working on some scripts there, and we have a lot coming down the pipeline, but there's going to be a lot more, like as this year unfolds, you'll hear about a lot more, but at the moment it's all pre production stuff or

behind the scenes. So that's awesome. I mean, do you like the job. Have you taken to it? I have, It's I love it because there's so much more creativity involved that I never expected. So one of my things is I loved being a reporter. It's all I wanted to do, and I got that right. I got that right out of college. I know, I was living my dream job. Unfortunately, sometimes dream jobs don't pay you a living wage. So I was like, wait a minute, Um,

I'd also be reporter. No good? Yeah, Um, I mean I would go back one day maybe, but not right now. But it's also like, there's only so much creativity you can have with it because you're reporting. And then I moved to producing for City Lights with Lowis Fritesis, and I love that too, but it was still kind of recording. Yeah, I worked with She's amazing and I was only with her for a few months before I end up getting

this position. But with this one, it's like you can take the reporting and like the hard facts um, and in that aspect you can still have more creativity with storytelling and how you tell it because you don't have to have like the big thing up front with your first sentence, right, you can you know, you can lead it, make a bit more storytelling. But there's also creativity and sound design. I worked on Thirteen Days of Halloween, that

three D show that came out last year. Yeah, and I had never in my life would have imagined me working on something that was like ambio trying to figure out like does it you know, is it coming from the left or the right? Like far away? Um, you know, close up, and like how to make those sounds work. But the creativity that goes within that was the audio things. Yes, Wow,

that is so cool. I mean, is that the future or is that just going to be sort of like three D movies and like a part of the future. I think it will be more of a part of the future, because realistically, it doesn't work for everything. If you really want it to work, it's I don't know, there are certain elements that you need to make it really sound the way you want it to sound. Like. You can't just throw it into everything. It's just not

going to work that way. So, um, it works best when like when the listener is central and things are moving around the listener more so than like walking steps this swear walking that way, it just doesn't work the same. Yeah, I mean, I guess tell everyone what that is, because I'm sure a lot of people haven't listened to anything uh in the three D audio space, so just sort

of what's the overview there? So the overview is imagine that you're sitting on a park bench and your eyes are closed and you're just kind of hearing the sounds around you, right like kids playing in the background, maybe to your left, and it sounds far away. You can hear the wind like wrestling through the leaves, and while it's like circling all around you, maybe you hear like the couple of leaves on the sidewalk right in front

of you. So it's it's putting those things into um spatial like from the listener, like spatially where it is from you to make it sound like you're actually there, it's a lot of space and like different sounds or like if you're inside. Imagine. I had never thought about this before. Like at this moment me talking to I'm sitting in a box room that's a whole bunch of panels to try to, you know, keep the sound in and keep other sounds out, so it sounds different than

if you're walking down a concrete hallway. And those are the things you have to take into consideration where you're making three D audio is like, you know, what does it sound like spatially? What are you like the area sounds that kind of thing. That's awesome. Yeah, it was very cool. It was a lot. It was a lot of work. Honestly, I feel like all of us were. It was a major learning curve for the entire team. Yeah,

I'm sure that's really really cool. But it sounds like kind of something that once you get the hang of it, the pace might pick up. Absolutely. I really I believe we're going to do another season. I would love to do another season because now that we've done it and I feel like we got more of a hang on it, like it would it would go a lot faster and we could do a bit more with it. That's awesome.

Another cool thing about our job is we have always been given a bunch of freedom to create stuff on our own and pitch and producers coming up with our own shows. Do you have you have a nice voice. Do you have any aims to to host and do your own thing? I do, I absolutely do. It's more finding something that I really have the passion the drive behind. I have a couple of ideas. I just haven't had a lot of time to sit and develop them. Um. That's that's the thing, right, because you have you have

so many other other things going on. Um, But it is something that is kind of in the background on a constant basis that I have a little set up at home as well, and and um, when I have time, I sit and I visit those ideas and try to, I don't know, try to bring them more to fruition. So one of these days, hopefully soon. But other than that, I'm good with visiting like with you, and you know, working on sound design and things of that nature. Actually, do you want to hear something kind of funny? I

never wanted to be an audio really never. I like swore up and down, I would never be an audio. I wanted to be a writer strictly writing. I wanted to write for a newspaper yep. And then I end up getting an internship at a B and then it turned out I write really well for the ear and then I ended up getting a contract position with them, and the next thing I know, I'm here and I'm like I never would imagine this, and now my job is all audio. Yeah, it's a good network to be on.

I think. I think there's a lot of opportunity um and I think having like a solid writing background, I mean that helps in every job. I was an English major and everyone was like, what are you gonna do teach? And I was like, well maybe, but it's also really good to be a good writer. I mean that helps in any job you could have, just to be able to write something, even if it's just good email correspondence with colleagues, like, it stands out if you're a good writer.

I think, yeah, no, I definitely agree with that. I mean, writing is definitely a great skill to have, no matter what, no matter what you do. So yeah, well, before we jump into silver linings, I think maybe let's hear like two personal things about you that might inform who you are, so everyone can know who Miranda is as we dive into this movie up to you. They could be silly, um, we're serious? Silly or serious? Well, hold on, I have

to think about this real quick. I guess one thing is I love my dog, but we fight a lot. He's a Chihuahua corgy dog. What kind of dogs? He's a Chihuahua corgy mix. Okay, okay, yeah, And that's a big personality and a little like twelve thirteen Found animal. But like, it's funny because when I got him, I was like, you know how they say dogs and owners mimic each other, and he would do certain things. I'd be like, Bro, I know I'm extra, but I'm not

that extra. And then as time has gone on, and then as time has gone on, sometimes I put my head in my hands and I'm like, oh god, I am that extra name. No, it's Frankie with two ease. It's what Frankie but with two spelled with two ease. Sometimes in Frankenfurter or Frank's or Frankenstein. Yeah, all the nicknames, all the nicknames he has to who had a dog name, Bro, That's why I asked, it would be pretty funny. Uh, and what else you do that? One other one? Um,

the first go ahead. The first time I ever cooked a pizza in the oven, I read the directions thoroughly. And I'm one of those people if it's the first time I do something like, I go line by line, I need someone to tell me exactly how to do it, and I read them exactly the way it's said to do. And I put the pizza in the oven. And at the time, I was in a short stint living at home for about two months moving places. And next thing I know, I hear my mom yelled my name, Miranda Lee,

my middle names Lee. And I was like what And she was like, what are you doing? And I was like cooking a pizza and she goes, you don't put it in there with the cardboard, And I was like, I put it in there with the cardboard because I thought the pizza was going to melt through the cracks. I did that once by accident. Yeah that's pretty good. Okay, Well, yeah, Miranda Lee Hawkins, you something a country singer? Oh dear,

I know, definitely not, but that's okay. Uh. The other thing I was going to say I know about you because we're Facebook friends. Um, is that you roller skate? Oh yeah, that is my newest and most love passion. I am out right, yes, it is definitely the thing roller skating has. Just like there's been like such an upswing everyone's doing it because like COVID happened and everyone

was like, what am I supposed to do? So like it's great because it's outside, you know, and you can skate with other folks and everyone wears our masks and you know, and there's just so much. But yeah, I picked up quad skating specifically, so I've been doing jam skating and working on a little bit of aggressive skating, which is like the ramps and such. Um. And then I've started to do trail skating, which is really good at building up muscle to do the other types of skating.

So so fun. I see those pictures in the videos and I'm just like, I want to get out there with Miranda and break legs. Come on, come on, you can do it. I honestly, anytime anyone's like I want to do it, I'm like, come on, I'm ready. Anytime you're ready. It's great. That's so cool. I love it when when an old thing becomes new again, and people like, bring these fads back in style, and it's good exercise and I'm sure empowering and fun and all that good stuff.

It's good for the brain too, all right. So you picked Silver Linings Playbook. Uh, the great, great, great movie from from writer director David oh Russell, one of my favorite directors. Remember of what I call the percent Club. He's never made a bad movie, and um, he's in rare companies as directors go. I think every single one

of his movies has been great. But um, this was based on the two thousand and eight novel from Matthew Quick, Uh, the Silver Linings Playbook, which I didn't know much about until I read up on it today. Um, a lot of big differences from the movie. I'm not sure how much you know about the book, honestly, So I did a little bit of research myself. I didn't really know that there was a book. I should have because most of the time a movie like this comes from a

book directly. Um, But no, I wasn't aware that there was a book. So I looked over some quotes and the quote seemed to be different. But I'm not sure of the differences themselves. I just fell in love with the movie and I was good with that. Yeah, it's interesting. I kind of want to read the book now. But it was um like in the book, the dance competition was sort of earlier, and a lot of stuff follows, and like um, new characters in the movie that weren't

in the book at all. The football thing is played up in the movie, which wasn't as big a deal in the book. Um he has I think just suffered from traumatic brain injury in the book and not um, they didn't specify any kind of specific mental illness, whereas the movie really leans into UH in a in a way that I think is really really great. Bipolar disorder,

and um there was another couple of things too. I think he traveled away somewhere in the book and came back and just you know, like books, it's always like a lot more going on. But I think David or Russell really like hit on something with basing this movie. It's sort of a movie about mental illness, and not just with Brad Cooper, but with Jennifer Lawrence and with his father and like all the characters, his best friend, UH.

Everyone seems to be uh if not suffering from some kind of real mental illness, just suffering in some kind of way in their head. Oh, I agree with that. That's one of the reasons I love it so much is because I feel like it's one of the most accurate portrayals of mental illness, with Bradley Cooper who pays places Pat his bipolar and then Tiffany Jennifer Lawrence hers his depression, his dad. They referenced O C d um you know, I'm not sure, but supposedly on those lines.

It's weird though with his best friend. The dynamic there is his best friend doesn't necessarily like come across as actually having a mental illness, but it's like he's wrestling with his own stuff. But yet at the same time he's like, but Pat, you know, you have your stuff, like you're the crazy one or he never directly says that, but it just shows like even if you don't have a mental illness, it's like he's still like suffering from

his own just daily life, you know. Yeah, And you know, this movie is so much about the struggles that we all kind of go through um in different um in different ways. That by the way that Ronnie, his best friend John Ortiz really great, great role for him. Um, this movie is great in that it it's so funny and so heartwarming and romantic, but uh so hard to watch and so horrifying and sad. I mean, he's just

he really pulls the emotional strings. David or Russell in this movie to like the fullest, I think, No, he absolutely does. I I don't even know, Like I think the first time I watched it, I might have cried a little bit, But the more I watch it, like I don't ever really cry anymore. I actually just really lean into it. Like I know, certain scenes are supposed to be really intense, but I think those are actually

my favorite scenes. I think it's the scenes that are quieter, like so for example, the scene where he's trying to find his wedding tape and he can't and it just escalates and escalates and escalates. And I know this is a little weird, but I find it how they did it with slightly humorous where it's intense, but you don't

feel like so overwhelmed. It's really not until the next morning where it's that quiet peacefulness and like you see him like looking at his medication and he's about to take it, and the family is like dealing with like understanding like this big thing just happened. And I think that's where you really feel the emotion is the next day.

It's like in the moment when it's happening, it's just reaction, reaction, reaction, and like he said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and he knows like something's wrong, but they can't stop it and they can't stop it, and then I send that peacefulness and that quietness that it's like, oh, that was a really big moment that really hit. And that's where I think where I feel the most emotion from it.

And that's where you're like, oh, man, you know that feeling of the next day of like that shouldn't have happened. That shouldn't have happened. No, absolutely, that's that's a really good point. I think David or Russell is um in a lot of his movies. He's really masterful at chaos

and these really chaotic intent scenes. And I think a really smart way to follow something like that is by making it super quiet, pulling it all back, because like I found myself like breathing so intensely during those scenes. It's a lot to handle. Um, without getting into too many specifics, there's a situation in and are sort of extended personal life with my wife and I have someone that's been going through a really bad thing for the

past year, not COVID related. It's kind of sucks that it's corresponding with that because it's harder to get help and all that, but dealing with medication and all the stuff that we didn't really know much about until we were faced with having to deal with this and assist with this. Um. So I'm a crier, I'm an emotional guy. I was pretty wrecked watching a lot of this movie today and a lot of the scenes before that didn't

hit home. Um, we're really hitting home. Um. That scene where they were talking about the medications at the dinner table, it was really funny. It's played for laughs, but then once you've been in around situations where people are medicated, and medication can be great and say people's lives, but it's also a tricky road. And um, that was a really tough scene for me to watch today. Yeah. So actually about my personal life as I am bipolar. I was diagnosed a year and a half ago. Yeah, and

my mom was bipolar. So I grew up with a parent who was bipolar already, and I knew I was bipolar all my life, but it was manageable with quotation marks around it. So but then I actually had um a psychotic episode because I was put on something I shouldn't have been put on, and I thought someone had poisoned my water and my food, and from that point it broke my brain to where like I had to get put on medication. And so for me, it's been trying to figure out the right medications and like seeing

the psychiatrists and therapist. So when I see the scene of them talking about their medication, I've had that conversation with my friends, and I actually love it because it's like really nice just to be like able to talk about it openly without there being like any judgment. And then like seeing him like when he has these scenes of intensity, Like That's why I think I love this movie so much, because I'm like, that's what it's really like.

It's people mistake bipolar. I was like, Oh, you're just super happy, you're super sad, or you're whatever, and I'm like, no, it's just intense emotions that you do have to find a strategy for because you feel things differently and you're going to react differently, and like so that's one of the reasons, Like I really react to this movie, and when I watched it, I actually find a lot of peace with it because I'm like, yep, that's what it's like. Yeah,

that's exactly what it's like. Like, I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation. Yeah, holy cow, that's amazing. Wow. Yeah, I love I love this movie so much. Yeah, well, I mean it does put a real face on things, and like I think too many times any sort of mental issues in movies or I was just done wrong. You know, it's, um it's either played for laughs in the wrong way or it's uh

dramaticized in the wrong way. And I don't have a lot of experience with h with bipolar from friends and family on a very personal level, but I've studied it with stuff you' you know, we did an episode on it, and this always just struck me as a movie. They kind of hit the right tone. It's like, um, intense emotion, uh, dealing like on a day to day basis with yourself. Yeah. Yeah, when he talks about like white knuckling. Yeah. When he talks about white knuckling, I'm like, oh, yeah, buddy, I

totally get it. Like that shot of his hands when he's in the doctor's yeah, and he's just like holding on for dear life, and sometimes that's what it feels like, and it's just like, that's why again. That one that's my favorite scene is him looking for the video and when he talks to psychiatrists, and psychiatrists is like, do you think that you did that because you're feeling this emotion and this was your response to it, and you didn't know how to handle that feeling. You have to

have a strategy. And I think that is like one of the clearest ways of showing what bipolar really is, of being like, he wasn't like freaking out or he's not crazy. He just like had this intense emotional response because like he wasn't sure what was happening, and so that's happened. And like and then Tiffany with like her depression and everything. The way she handles saying is kind of the same thing. Like they both have their triggers

and they're trying to figure things out. Well. It's one of my favorite kinds of movies, too and too, And it can take many forms. It can be a couple of nerd outcasts. It can be a movie like this like We're Too sort of misfits find each other, uh and and fit together. So well. It's just I love it more than anything as a as a sort of a movie plot. And also they're just kind of great together. Like the chemistry is amazing. Yeah, Like the two of

them are just absolutely phenomenal. But yeah, it is, and it's and it's different because it's like they are misfits in a certain way, but they're not. They're both just trying to like find their way, like find their own reality and the reality that everyone has created for them. You know, when she talks about but we're not liars,

but we're not liars. You're lying, but you know, and it's like that is the reality and they're having to you know, everyone else is saying, well, you're crazier, you know, you're from the looney Ben and they're like, no, this is our reality, and like you it just doesn't fit what your reality is. So yeah, he even has that one great line towards the end when um uh and and I love movies to where these sort of uh just odd people from different backgrounds all come together in

this weird sort of group. And he's got you know, his mom and his dad and his brothers introduced, and then his doctor is hanging out with him, and he's got his kind of funny friend, and then Chris Tucker is there, who's just great in this movie, and uh, and and Randy you know, the crazy you know friend

that bets all the bets. And but he has that great line when he says, you know, maybe, and it kind of gets lost because it's another kind of semi chaotic scene, but he's like, maybe we're all the ones who see something, you know, maybe it's all of us that are onto something and you guys don't even know. Yeah. No, that is a fantastic line because sometimes it feels that way, but it is. That's such a good line. Uh sorry, I'm just like sitting with it because I'm like, again,

all these things like hit homes so hard. I know, David or Russell is a big advocate for UH for mental illness and does a lot of work with that. So I'm not sure what his background is or how it affects him personally in his life or family or loved ones. But he clearly um has made this movie for that reason. Yeah, no, he definitely did. And he actually did an interview with Nami. Namis like one of the groups. Um, if you suffer from mental illness, that

you can go to the groups. I actually tried one of your sessions, but the people who were going at the time when I went were in a different category like as far as like the help that they needed compared to like where I was. So um. But yeah, he actually an interview with them, which I thought was really cool that he sat down and took that time. So yeah, no, and I really appreciate him making this movie.

But I don't know, it's just like you have like this whole movie which is about mental illness and everything else, but then you also have like the lightheartedness of it, like with Danny showing up, you know, interspersedly throughout the movie. Who Like, he's so good in this. I wish you would do more roles like this. Honestly me too. But his whole thing about having the hairline and like just like dude, like I don't know he cracks me yet, but I love it because he's there just to show,

like you know, like a friendship kind of thing. He's not there for any reading other reason than just being like he's like Bradley Cooper's friend in this and like he just adds like this extra element and I don't know he's he's so he's one of my favorites, honestly. Yeah, It's wonderful and he um. I mean a couple of scenes stand out with him, obviously, the first one when he's just sort of uh, you know, breaks out of the mental hospital and and catches a ride and he's

always sort of escaping and being brought back. But I love how the family and I've known households like this.

I lived in New Jersey for a little while after college, and I feel like this movie was a lot like those you know, sort of suburban Philadelphia is basically New Jersey, and uh, I knew a lot of families like this where they just had an open door at their house and anyone sort of welcome, and they had these sort of big crazy scenes with all these you know, friends, kids, friends and neighbors and like what's this guy do even doing?

Or who is he? Like that kind of thing. But mom will still you know, make everyone dinner, like even if she doesn't know who all is there. And this movie, I just really love their household scene there. Um, it's complicated, you know, like that that very first scene with when he comes back with de Niro, there's that's so well acted and there's so much in it that's not said, but you sort of get it, like they love each other, but it's so fraught with layers and layers of complications,

you know. Yeah, And like I noticed that like one of the first things you see is his pictures, you know, but not on the wall anymore. Yeah, And that automatically gives you an idea. But then when like de Niro was like you okay, you okay, like you know, um, and then automatically leading into you know, like I'm glad

you're back all this other stuff. But I also think it hints that how mental illness can also be like familial, and like how family is, Like I kind of what I like about this is that the family didn't really gloss over it. They weren't really scared to talk about it, Like they addressed it, but at the same time it

was mildly taboo. And it's a weird line that they walked and I'm not sure like how they did it, but they did a really good job where it was like, you know, we're here for you, we love you, you know you have the support. At the same time, it was still just kind of like, you know, but you gotta take your meds, like you gotta like, you know, you gotta get a therapy if you're going to live with us, like his mom was not having it. No, she was not having it. She's great, Jackie Weaver. I

think she's I think she's British. She was a fantastic Yeah, they got nominated, I think for the first time since Red's in um Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress, all nominated from the same film, and I think Jennifer Lawrence is the only one who won in She was Great. I just wish I would have loved to seeing Bradley Cooper when he was so phenomenal in this movie. Honestly, he definitely deserved to win, especially the way his eyes were. He like nailed it. I

love his eyes. The look in his eyes from beginning to end is just absolutely phenomenal. I just I don't know he should have won. Yeah, that scene where he uh, maybe I'll look up and see who won that year. But when he the running motif is great with that fucking trash bag, but when he is running to the high school and the and it's it's funny, but it's also just so heartbreaking. That principle or the teacher, whoever

that was, was just so scared. And you know, he goes to Hugger and she's just like fucking frightened out of her life. But he's so trying to tell her that he's okay, and he says, look at my eyes, Look how clear they are. And he's so upright then, and I just I feel so bad that his past

has followed him like this, you know. Yeah, And and that's like I think an important statement though, is like at and situations like this, as people who are bipolar, you know, something happens, they have the reactive you know, not to the extent of like beating someone almost to death, but just in general, and then it gets stuck with him and then all of a sudden, they're like, peg, does you're crazy or you're this or you're that, And people don't take the time to understand, like, no, it

was this intense thing that happened and people are working through it. It's just you know, it's not the same. And so I think that was a really good example of that where it's like, hey, I'm you know, I'm okay, but she was like, oh dear no. I mean it was hilarious, absolutely, but at the same time, like it was like it was a good way to show that

without being too heavy. Yeah, I think so. And so much of this movie is about those labels, um, because Jennifer Lawrence is fighting her own label, as you know. The former slut is what she called herself because she her husband died, and she handled that in a way that she dove into bed with people, um, seemingly randomly from her work. And I guess got fired for that, is that. Yeah, she got fired for it, Yeah, because she was like I slept with everybody at work. Yeah.

But you know, people do those things, like when you're suffering like that, and she's in depression. I've heard about people doing those things and that's not that doesn't mean that's who they are, you know exactly. And and that's another thing, And I think that's what was great with the two characters is um Bradley Cooper's character saw that and that way. The scene when the guy came up to the door at her parents house and he was like,

you know with the broken wing. Yeah, and he's like the broken wing, you know, she's on the It was so sweet and the guys healing right now, you gotta let her heal. He kind of strong arms and though it's great, he's like, I'm gonna walk you back down here. Yeah. Just the way he talks though sometimes this movie it's just like this direct, like no, this is what we're doing, Like come on, like yeah, but no, but no filter, you know. And then of course she comes like running

after him, and I can't help. But I love her jacket the entire movie. I just wish I had that jacket. But she like throws in her jacket and like her tennis shoes and I was like, okay, here's this thing. Um. But yeah, but when he does that, I don't know, it's He's absolutely fantastic. But the way people handle things,

it's always going to be different for everyone. But people do have to remember that that's not who they are, and that's I think that's what gets lost a lot with mental illness, you know, totally, it's very easy to label somebody and even if you're not saying the words to just sort of put someone in a box in your head. And I think this movie did a really good job at showing the different layers that people have no matter what their deal is. Yeah, and also like

people like falling back. Like that's another thing is when people create coping mechanisms that aren't healthy or in general just coping mechanisms and something happens and it puts them out, then they tend to fall back like I won't, you know, give it all away. But when she sees something she doesn't want to see at the end, and she gets her feelings hurt, and so she goes back into like, you know, I guess what she would call like the slut mode of like into the bar and grabbing a

drink and automatically talking to the guy. You know, it's like she fall immediately fell back on the coping mechanism until Cooper comes up to her and he's like, hey, we got got to do this thing, and she's like, I think you're the worst thing that's ever happened to me. And he's like, well, good for you, and like let's go, and just completely won't let her do it and he's like,

He's like, no, we're not doing that. Yeah, and he has this thing where it's um, he has the former I guess still wife, they're not divorced yet, but Nikki and it's it's one of those and I've seen it in other movies, and I think it's pretty effective, is when it's it's the idea of her more than her and she represents this thing. She's a symbol in his life, um of of if I can just get back to that, and that's who she represents to him, And you know, I think the movie does a good job of sort

of teasing that out to the very very end. Uh. It's it's a wonderful surprise. And we'll talk about the end you know, later at more at length, but it's um. I I thought, even watching it today, it's been quite a few years since I've seen it, I was like, what happens there with Nikki at the dance? I don't even remember? And he did the lost in translation movie you know you whisper you don't know? I love that. Yeah, No, it was absolutely Honestly, the first time I saw it,

I had the same idea. You know, I've seen it so many times now, like I know what's going to happen, but it is one that kind of caught me. I feel like I'm at a point now where I can normally guess the ending of things, so when something catches me off guard, yeah, because he's like only so many stories, so when something catches me off guard, I'm always like, heck, yeah, you did it, and this movie is one of those

that did it for me. Um. I also another favorite thing that I've seen David or Russell do before and in other films. I think it's just a kind of a more clever way of telling a story is um like, you don't get his actual diagnosis until about fifteen minutes into the movie in that first meeting with as doctor, and you don't like things are told out of order. You know something's going on. You get the diagnosis later, you know something happened with his wife, uh like the incident,

and then that's paid off a little bit later. And I think dropping things in there in sort of a non linear way, like these plot points instead of sort of the tired way of like at the beginning of the movie, we tell you sort of everything you need to know in the first seven minutes. Yeah, no, I I agree with that. I actually didn't really think about that too much. I just remember like watching it for the first time and seeing he's in that institution and

then everything else and the next thing I know. But yeah, you're right. They do take their time with unfolding. It's bit by bit, and even like you know, with Tiffany's husband and other things like yeah exactly, yeah, with pieces are just dropped throughout, so you don't really know everything.

I like that a lot. I prefer it when stories do that rather than just giving you everything, because if you give you everything, then kind of what's the point to keep going You're like, all right, well to know what's happening. Yeah, and there's something you know, Uh, you don't find out until probably the three quarter point what happened to her husband and how he actually died, even

though he asked her. That dinner scene. That dinner scene is so great where he first meets her, their first meeting, and like how they're talking to each other. It's just amazing that No, and then she's like you're gonna walk me home or what? And he's like what, and he's like so confused, and he's just like wait, I don't know what's happening. But it's also funny because what is it Julia Child's Uh is that not Child Julius Julius styles, Okay,

Julius styles. She plays. I hate her character. I mean that's the whole point. But like, I never thought I could hate someone as much as I hate her, like the whole way that she has, like her sister and like everyone else, she's just horrendous and like I don't know her showing off her house and like the whole love God the iPod stuff. So I'm not and how Tiffany is like, but we're in the bathroom, like why are you gonna show the iPod for in the bathroom?

And then the whole what was the other one? The like the uh fireplace, and I was just like, this is just ridiculous. That scene was really funny though. She's like it's one of those things that the morgue that you slide the body in. He's like, how would you even get a body in there? She's like it's a joke. I love his doctor so much. Um what's his name here? Uh? And new palm Ker plays Dr Patel and Uh, it's just so wonderful how he kind of and completely inappropriately

kind of you know, joins his personal gang. Oh yeah, that was definitely inappropriate. But at the same time, I can't help but I loved it. I absolutely loved it and the Eagle stuff like I'm a football guy. So so often movies really portray sports and football and fandom really unrealistically, and and he just nailed He just nailed it in this movie. I think, really see, I grew up and my whole family was super into football, like Christmas Day, like the whole family sat down and watched it,

and I hated it. I was so bored, and I swore up and down I would never end up with someone who liked football. And then I actually started playing flag football last year before COVID. It is so much fun. I actually finally understand like why people like football. Well, you know, I'm the sort of football fan who's not um I'm not wearing jerseys and painting my face and stuff like that, but um, it's a it's interesting that sports.

I think. I think people that aren't into it don't understand that it can be the great United Uh, Like I've always said, like you'll never see racial and political harmony, like you will at the Falcons game where you've got some clearly distant Georgia sort of white redneck with his jersey on, like jumping up and down and hugging, you know, the black guy from the inner city of Atlanta with his jersey on and high fiving and like politics go out the door and race and socio economics for a

few hours. Uh, And it's pretty nice scene to be in. That's why the tailgating scene when those guys, the racist guys attacked the guys with the Indian guys. Um, I guess that happened some. This is Philly, so you never know, but it's not usually how it is. Usually people come together for their team and it's kind of a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah,

that's scene. Actually, like those guys rewatching, I got. I think I even got angry than I did the first time, like I was angry the first time, but especially bad men. It's also because like I love doctor the doctor, like he's one of my favorite people and I'm like, what are you doing? Like stop it? Yeah, I think also seeing him like go um go to Pat's house and

saying the family, I feel like from his perspective. I was like wondering what was going on in his head if he was like I finally understand, like seeing how his family acted and everything. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no that's true. I mean I guess it's super inappropriate, but it's insightful. Yeah, insightful but so inappropriate, but you

know what, it's it's a movie. Uh. And Jennifer Lawrence is just I mean, she's a great actor, but she's so easy to kind of crush on because she's she's beautiful and just even when you sort of know about her personal life, she just seems like she gives no fox. She's real, Um, she says what she wants and like it just has a lot of attractive qualities as a human I think, and they come through in this movie. Yeah.

I was gonna say, I feel like you're describing her character in the movie sort of a Jennifer Lawrence type. It it feels like, no, she definitely does. I don't know, Like especially the scene in the diner, it really came through. Oh god. Yeah, but talking was awesome. That scene was awesome. However,

how that escalated it was definitely difficult. I think that was another one of those like how I'm dealing with something is not how I actually am, and that's why she checked herself when and then you know after that when she starts screaming that you're assaulting me, and like I think instantly when that cop shows up, realizes what she's done and then saves him and calms him down with a breathing like again, that's another sort of David oh Russell chaos sequence played out ending in that really

calming way. It's really interesting. Yeah, and they also do like interesting camera work too, whenever he's kind of going through that like the like kind of almost like a fish bowl kind of effect, I think is what it was. Yeah, just to kind of give you an idea. And I'm like, whenever you do kind of go into those trigger modes like that was, you know, it can look like that sometimes like you're like, wait, what's happening? So yeah, yeah, the handheld camera, like he brings a lot of energy

to those scenes, just in a filmmaking sense. Um. I have here one of my favorite lines too from their first meetings, when she's, uh, you know, they're kind of trying to out crazy each other or or not out crazy each other. Make the other ones seem like they're crazier than them, and she goes, you say more inappropriate things, inappropriate things, you scare people, so funny, and he does, you know, But it's like you just want them to

be okay. You want them to you know that. That that's why the end, that shot of them in the chair together m so beautiful. But it's also just like, you know, what a complicated, tough path there is ahead of them. Oh yeah, And I think that's the thing is like this movie really wasn't about you know, the big finale scene right like with a dance off or anything, And it wasn't. That's not what it was about. It

was about like showing this complication in general. And then yes they found peace, but like you know, it's not done, you know, and like, but that's okay and they both understand it. I think it's about really coming to understanding the other person and where they're coming from, rather than seeing just like oh the mental illness and you know these people are crazy or you're just out of the

looney bean. It's more of like, hey, I see you, and I see who you really are, including like this you know thing that you have to deal with because that's what you have to deal with, um, which is why I want Yeah, no, definitely, And I also feel like, you know, that's and one of my favorite lines is at the very you know, at the very end, when he goes, you know, the world will break your heart ten you know, ten Aways from Sunday, and it's like it's so true, and he's like, I think in that moment,

he's kind of telling you it's like, yeah, this is like a nice peaceful moment, but this isn't. This isn't it like there's gonna be more things that are going to happen. But I think it's just like we're all kind of looking for that moment of peace of like, you know, it's just a regular day for them. It's not there wasn't anything major happening. There wasn't anything whatever.

They're just you know, chilling, hanging around, like and you know, the two of them in the chair, they're just having a moment and that's it's beautiful, like they just found that moment of peace and all the chaos that they have to deal with. Yeah, it's a it's a hopeful moment. It doesn't come across to me as um, you know, these people are both mentally ill, but that's been solved because of love. Yeah. No, it's definitely not solved. But Hollywood does that. And I think David or Russell was

smart enough to give you this really sweet, hopeful thing. Um, but you know that it's going to be tough for them, and uh, you know, where are these people in ten years? I want to say they're together and have a couple of kids and their life as a roller coaster, you know. Yeah, yeah, because like, what's that movie? It's kind of a funny story which was also a book that became a movie about the kid going into the mental hospital. Do you know that one? I've heard of it? Who's in that? Um?

Zach gilif Nachus is in it? I did not see that? Was that good? Honestly it was good. I actually went back and read the book after that one, um, and it was pretty on part. But that's one of the ones where Hollywood kind of like was like, oh, hey, you know you solved it a little bit, you know, right, Yeah, but I that one that one deals with slightly other things than this one does. But yeah, that one is more of an example of like, oh now this is solved,

but not this movie. This movie stands separate. I would recommend going back and watching that, though I'll probably go back and rewatch it now too. Now that I see it, I recognize it. Um. I think we should talk about the music for a sect too, because boy, the music in it is great. The score is really really lovely, Like I really love that score. That's kind of just throughout. But um, one of my favorite cueues is when it's actually right after the diner date, uh, with the with

the raisin brand and the tea, which is so funny. Uh, and then they have the big blow up in front of the movie theater. She calms them down, and then you get that led Zeppelin Q and then I think what follows is the scene at home, the really rough scene when that song just sort of starts to build and it's just the perfect use of music. I think. Yeah. No, And that's another thing where music never gets really heavy or really um you know, it's like super angsty rock

or anything. It always like they kind of let the scenes speak for themselves with the music build underneath. And then how they'll like also go into this kind of dead silence afterwards, Like they'll hit this point and they'll just cut it off immediately, and it's just a way to like make you focus on whatever is happening. And I noticed that happened a few different times throughout. But

I loved it. And I love the music that they dance to, how they use that music from the West Side Story and yeah, yeah, their dance was just ridiculous and great. Like that's when the movie really, like I was, I love the movie anyway, um up unto that point. But when the dance stuff starts in Earnest when he meets her over at the studio, Uh, it just it really like kind of ramps it up to the next level I think of lovable, and it gives them something

to focus on. It brings them together. Uh, and I think it it makes it all the better that they're neither one of them are very good dancers. No they're not,

um okay, but you know, yeah they're okay. I actually read up and it turned out that they actually did the final dance scene first when filming, and so they actually did Yeah, so they did all the learning how to dance dance scenes after they had learned how to dance, and that was actually harder for them to pretend to be bad at it because at that point they already learned all the steps and so they're like wait what and so they had to go back and like figure

that out. Yeah. Yeah, And when Chris Stucker comes over, oh yeah, and he's like friend with a capital FA and he has put a little black in it. He's what do you even mean? He's like, you know, damn well, what I mean, He's just so great every time he comes on the scene. It's like, I just wanted more Chris Stucker in this movie. Honestly, Yeah, he was phenomenal. I loved him so much. Um, the I mean, let's

talk about sort of the ending. They they this the third act is so great and it kind of all coalesces with this parlay bet on the football games actually money up petition, which is just you know, unbelievable. That stressed me out so bad, Like I like, it's one of those like I can't ever I can't ever stop, Like every time I watched them, like, oh, y'all are like,

y'all are stressing me. But it is super stressful because they're not good dancers and they and I love when they were working out like what the score was going to be and Brad Cooper is just like, we'll be lucky if we get a five, and she's like, we could definitely get a five. Like they're both in such different places and they're like kind of reality or confidence level about their dance. Yeah, but I love how she

is the one who comes in. It's just like, let me tell you, actually, how well like the Eagles are doing every time we hang one of my favorite parts of the middle. Yeah, and it just like shuts the nero down. He goes, Okay, I like you like attitude about her. It's like, all right, I love that scene so much. And then and then also like turns it turns out like the mother actually had a hand and everything with them. Like me, I was like whoa, okay,

like that really changed everything. So but yeah, that um, that third act right before leading up to them dancing, it was it was so much I don't even know. And then him like recognizing about the letter. That was a big one too. Yeah, the letter. So she has ended up being the one who wrote the letter from NICKI uh, the the way they played out the end was just so beautiful. He knew that, he knew it

for a week. He he goes, after I mean, that's such a movie trope, you know, to to run after the girl at the end, But it's a trope for a reason. It's because that's what people want to see, and this is one of the great all time go get the girl moments in movies. I also think it works too because you know, towards the beginning when he was running, she was running after him, and so now you know, and so now it switches as he ran

after her. So yeah, I really think about that. Yeah, I really feel like that there's more fairness to that scene in that aspect. But I don't like so with the bipolar, you have manic episodes and depressive episodes, right, and manic aren't always fun something, but it is like when they show like the sleeplessness and his paranoia and you know these unfiltered you know, thoughts coming out of his mouth and all these things, like that's typically manic.

And so if you notice, like the first two thirds of the movie is like these really kind of high intensity scenes like what's happening, Like, yeah, you have these down parts to show what happened, but it's always like something happens and like it intensifies, it goes I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and then like you have the down like show he recognizes like oh man, like I shouldn't have

done that, or you know, same for her. But at the moment about the letter, which is I think, like you know, the last act like we're talking about, if you notice, this quietness comes over him and it feels like I'm not sure this is what they're trying to do, But to me, it feels like him finally coming out of a manic episode where this fixation of like trying to reach this point and he's realizing, wait, I just need to let this go, and that fixation like dissipates

and now it's him being to move forward and it kind of brings him out of the manic episode. And as someone who's been in manic episodes, like sometimes that's what it takes. Like when you come out of it, it's like you're able to move forward. Yeah, because like sometimes I have fixation and I just can't let something go and it causes me lots of stress and stuff. But when I finally can, I start to feel better

and like I can come out of it. Um And of course like medication helps, but yeah, but it's like he's coming out of it, and he's kind of coming more into like a balance of like where he's at with the illness. And I noticed that kind of softness till the end of the movie, and like that's kind of the same note that they end on, is like this balance rather than it's like high intensive energy. And I just thought that was really really nice, um way, just to kind of like bring it up here and

just bring it down. And again, I don't know if they did that on purpose, but that's something I felt from it. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm sure it was on purpose. Um that that last shot I mean, and not the last shot of the movie, but when he catches up to that that wonderful beautiful Christmas Street and the camera spinning around them, when they have that great, great, great first kiss finally uh and he reads says his letter out loud. It's just I can't even take it about

to cry right now. And then he does something really interesting with the camera there that that camera car just fucking Hall's ass away from them down the street, and it's a really unusual camera move for that kind of thing, like you would expect like this beautiful crane shot sort of lifting away up into the heavens or something like that, and it's just a camera on the back of a camera car, just peeling out of there. I've never seen that kind of use that way. I thought it really

worked though. Oh no, it definitely worked. I never actually really thought about that. I guess to me, it was just like, Okay, this happened, and now like we're going to move forward to like what's next. I think that's probably what it symbolized. Yeah, yeah, I'll sit in the gas. Yeah, we're like all right, let's go, like we're out of here, We're done. I also really loved the moment when the free dance uh finale, when they're walking through the place

holding hands. Then he goes, wait, what is this? He is what you're doing and I'm not doing and I thought you were doing it. They just like found themselves holding hands and are blaming each other for it. I just thought that was adorable. It's so cute. They're so cute. Also, like how our jackets just a little too big. Yeah, yeah, like she doesn't quite fit her, and I'm just like, this is awesome. Yeah, And the clumsiness of the dance when they tried the big move and she just okay,

you know, he ends up the face to cross. Still I still can't watch that, honestly to this day when that scene comes on and I still have to like cover my face because I gets second hand embarrassment so bad. I'm just like I can't hand. Yeah, I know, I'm one of those people just like I can't do it. It's pretty bad. The way they handled it was so funny because they were kind of like, we're meaning to do this a little bit, and everyone was like, what

are they doing? What an interesting move? And then crawling around on the floor at each other. It's just it's gonna I'm gonna learn that whole routine with my wife. We're going to do that one. That's what That's what you guys should do for Halloween next year and dress up and then do that routine. Yeah, or this one now I keep forgetting Yeah, yeah, what year is it? Even?

Speaking of Halloween? I do love how I love when movies are sort of framed by uh non obviously by holidays, and it has Halloween in here and then very purposefully Christmas later, and so you just sort of you know what you're dealing with, you know, you know you're dealing with a few months here, a couple of months basically. Yeah. Yeah, and then like in between all of that, it's all

them practicing at her place and stuff. I loved. One of my favorite shots was kind of the quietness before the dance where they showed like the outside of her garage, but there was like was still scene of like the inside of her garage with a dance floor in her shoes, and just like, I don't know, it's some of my favorite shots in there. I'm just like, it just feels like very peaceful before everything happens, you know, I don't know. Sometimes like the small moments like that in movies like

this Enrichard so much. You know, a shot of an empty dance studio like it can be very impactful. I

love that about movies. Yeah, no, And they definitely did a good job with that here so and yeah, I don't know, uh, And then you know they end in a very wonderfully romantic way of that house full with that voiceover on a Sunday afternoon with the eagles on and the and the doctor is there, and then Chris Tucker is there getting finding out how to make the crabby snacks and homemade, which my wife and I said

that for like a year afterward. I love that she makes the crabby snacks, Like every time I hear it, I think of SpongeBob SquarePants like crabby patties, but she every scene, she'd always talk about her crabby snacks well. And it's funny because, like I said earlier, about the sort of misfits who find each other in in In Brad and Jennifer, but at the end, they're they're they're

all kind of the misfits together. I feel like, um, you know, they've they've they've all got their issues, they've all got their struggles, and they're all all together and not in a way that's like I said, like it's solved, it's perfect, we're all great it now. But it's like, no, but we got each other, you know, we got each other's backs. Yeah, And it's just like you feel, I feel like full and warm when I watch it, Like I'm always came to the end and I'm like, I

feel really full, and I love that feeling. I feel like that's a house full of love and warmth, and like, I don't know, that's totally what I want to feel. When I finished this movie, you know, and then you always just end on that good note. And it wasn't like this completion like we talked about of like, oh everything's okay, but it's just like they found the love in the warmth amidst everything. Yeah, just so gorgeous. What

a great movie. It's been a while since I've seen it, and I saw it I think at least two times kind of back then. Uh, And I was when you picked it. I was like, oh funk, yeah, I haven't seen this movie in a while. Yes. Yeah. I was like, I don't know if he likes this movie, but I want to watch it because it turns out we have a mutual friend in comment. So I don't know if Clay told you to tell you. I said, Hi, Clay Miller, Yeah, oh no way, how do you know Clay? Um, he's

my bartender. Yeah, he's my bartender at one of the foot Yeah, one of the places I go to. And so he was like, oh, I saw you as a mutual friend and Chuck yeah and Cabbage Town at Milltown yeah. And he said that he had recommended you a movie and You're like nope, andels like okay, Well, I don't know what that movie is either. So that's so funny. I went camping with Clay like three weeks ago. That's what he's he It was just after you all one camping.

That's great. He's Clay and I went to college together. I'm sure you know all this, but that's what he told me for listeners. He's a photographer. He's actually he's a great photographer. He's a pet photographer and uh, I need to send you I'll send you the pictures he took of my dogs as they're amazing. Lease do I did not know he's a photographer. That's awesome. Yeah, Clay's great. Um bartender photographer actually it's photographer Bartender. Yeah, he's one

of my old best friends. It's funny. All the all my friends from college almost ended up moving within like two or three miles from each other in Atlanta, and not even on purpose. We just sort of or magnets to each other. And I think, uh, you know, Clay lives over Kirkwood. I live about a mile a halfway in Eastlake. I see him walking his dog all the time. He's the one that had the dog. Bro oh oh. It is like a small big town, so like yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely one of those so um, but yeah,

I don't know. I thought it was really cool. Okay, I'm going to have to bring up about his dog Bro then be like, show me pictures. Yeah, Bro is not with us anymore, is very sad, but he's got his great nude Doberman Buddy, who was just a big one pound Doberman who like looks scary as hell, but he's the biggest sweetheart. He came camping with us. It was great. I got to hang out with Buddy. It was so cool. Um. By the way, did you ever we ever in the office when Bradley Cooper came in

and all I was not And I'm so upset. I like I missed it, but like this much, and I like to this day, I'm just like, what the heck? And isn't it like an ongoing joke that like one of our boss is best friends with him or he is best friend. It's not a joke. It's real, Like that's why he was there. Uh. I mean, I've talked about it before, but our boss, the head cheese connal um, is his best friend from college. That's ridiculous. The best man at his wedding and it was funny. I was driving, Uh,

this is like three or four years ago. Actually it was longer than that, because it wasn't long after this movie. Um, I was about a mile away from my house driving home and I passed somebody jogging and I went to Emily. I was like, that was fucking Brad Cooper. She was like, no, it wasn't. I went, oh, it is, because, like I know how he jogs because you just saw that movie. He wasn't wearing a plastic bag. But I was like, that was totally Brad Cooper. And I said, I guarantee

he's he's here with Connal. And I texted Connel's like his Bradentown staying at your house and he went yes, And I just saw him jogging and he went yep, So does he jog with a plastic bag or wasn't Really there was no plastic but he had that same gait and that same goddamn handsome face. I haven't met him either. Connell's always like Brad school like, all have to bring him next time he's in town. And then he comes in town and he doesn't, and I'm like

a schoolgirl. I'm like, well, why didn't you bring Brad by? I want to meet him. Oh it makes me feel any better. That's how some people are when they find out I work with you. They're like, wait, Chuck, and I'm like, please know Brad Cooper. He's amazing. He's so talented. I just think, like when you're when you're wrapped up in like a handsome package like that, it's hard to I mean, trust me, I don't feel sorry for the guy, for anyone who was superlatively attractive, but you know, he's

more than a pretty face. I thought A Star Wars Born was amazing, and I think he's got great director chops and writer chops and acting chops and uh, you know, I think I'm in love. If you're listening to this, Bradley, I just stop buying just six ft Uh well, Miranda, this was so much fun. It's great to get to know you better. It's funny. I saw you yes to day. Um, you're one of the only humans outside of my family

I've seen in person in weeks. Yeah, I recorded yesterday and you were in there so had to sing by. Actually end up not getting my internet set up, so I had to watch the movie on my phone. Last night at home because yeah, I know, I know. I was like, this is fine, it's whatever. Well, you've seen it so many times, I guess, yeah, it's okay, it's okay. I bet that last out look great on your phone. Well, this is great. I'd love to have you back sometime. I think I would love to consider you sort of

a rotating cast member. No, I would love that I had such a good time, especially like you know, thank you so much for willing to talk about one of my absolute favorite movies in the world. Of course, it's wonderful. I'm sure everyone has seen it. I think this will be a big favorite because people really love this movie and those those episodes always go over really well. So thank you for coming on. All right, well, thanks for

having me, all right, bye bye. Movie Crash. It's produced and written by Charles Giant and Meel Brown, edited and engineered by Seth Nicholas Johnson, and scored by Noel Brown here in our home studio at Pontsty Market, Atlanta, Georgia. For I Heart Radio. For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.