Matt Frederick on The Sixth Sense

just call you twenty century man. I know it really is true. I feel like there's something special there for me, just for my childhood. I'm with you coming into my own. So before we jump into this movie, I just want to hit the box office numbers for the past two and then this one. Okay, really quickly. So the first time I came home, we did the Matrix that made four hundred and sixty five sixty six million worldwide and

it's lifetime. Fight Club then was their second. It made a hundred and one hundred and two million worldwide, modest hit modest. The one we're gonna talk about today had a gross of six hundred and seventy to seventy three million. It was you know, it really hit me last night, what a phenomenon this movie was in a cultural touchstone, Like this is one of those movies that created memes and I guess premime even sort of but like you know, I see dead people. It's one of those things where

that was a joke for fucking ten years. Yeah. Oh yeah, well and it's now a phrase that just exists in American and other cultural To show me the money it's uh played against Sam you know, yeah, absolutely incredible dead people. Uh and and it's so funny that like that is the takeaway. But I guess it's just a quick way to reference the movie to reference like this phenomena of

possibly you know, having an extrasensory perception of some sort. Yeah, it was spoofed so much for so many years after this. Ah and yeah, it just it really kind of all culminated last night when it's watching it of what a big, big film this was. Put Shamelan Chamalian on the map night. I just loved it. Yeah, night Man is called night Um put Um. Obviously. Hey, Joel Osmond his first movie.

He was great in this, Dude. The performances in this movie. Yeah, um, okay, so before again, I guess we can just start talking about everybody knows what it is, right, it's the plot is a child psychologist played by Bruce Willis. His name's Dr Malcolm, Yeah, Malcolm something or other. Uh spoilers, this is a twenty something year old movie. Yes, Bryce Willis is dead the whole time. Well, god, we just did

it right there. Okay. In fact, when when I first saw this movie, and this was only my second viewing, I saw in the theater twenty years ago and then has haven't seen it since, And I feel like there's a movie a lot of people ran out and saw again with that knowledge, just to see them. You know,

you could pick apart of the things. But um, I back twenty years ago, I thought, man, it would be so funny if whenever someone mentioned six cents, be like, oh, yeah, the movie about about that ghost Bruce Willis just being like the first thing you say to someone that is terrible. Juck. No, I never did that. What was your experience with it? You saw it, let's hear about your first case. So we're not we're nine again the same guy we've talked about. If you have if you don't remember and go back

to listen. The other really changed a lot between The Matrix and this No No UM. So I was in that world when I first saw it. I remember identifying with Haley Joel Osmond's character Cole, and really I viewed the movie through his eyes, and he's he's a little kid who is experiencing something terrible in his life. At first, you're not really sure what it is, um, And then you know our our character Dr Malcolm is trying to help him out and figure out what his problem is.

And then you learn that he in fact sees deceased people, dead people. And what if that was a line I see deceased people, I can sense deceased individuals. Um. But but yeah, so I'm I'm identifying with this kid who is both terrified of the world, of the darkness of any you know, unknown thing, Like he's terrified because of his experiences, but he's also extremely strong and um, there's um there's an air of confidence about him even though

he's so he shrinks back a lot of time. There's a scene where he's he attempts to do a coin magic trick that Bruce Willis's character shows him. So he so he then attempts to do it for a kid at a party, and the way he just um. Something about that scene. I don't know why it's stuck with me, but the way he just he tries to do the trick just very you know, okay, nonchalantly, confidently um shows that he's willing to try and interact with another person

there and maybe make a friend. But the other kid is just not having it, not having it, not interested. And the kid has a very similar reaction that Cole had initially when Dr Malcolm did it to him. So it's an interesting mirroring. But again, it just kind of shows you as character. And I think when I was that age, like it was a kid who was only like what ten and you know, I'm still like the X Files kid in high school. I want to believe in these extra sensory things. I want to believe that

life goes on. Um. I'm very biblical, so I do believe that life doesn't end when our corporeal form leaves leaves. Well I did, like somewhat right, I did. And so this kind this kind of story really moved me. It connected with me. I am telling you watching it now, as a parent, I knew we were going to hit on this holy like the reaction. I'm going to try really hard not to tear up during the episode. There are a couple of parts last night where the when

they fucking lock him in that closet. Oh my god, I was just beside myself last night. I was so upset and wanted to throttle those two little assholes. Oh my god, I know how to talk me through the movie and punch them both. Oh dude, I know. But but the thing that really hit me as a parent now are the little moments and the little moments between Cole and his mom. There's not one scene that's just so upsetting. Towards the end, I yeah, she breaks down

and it was like she couldn't help her child. And it's that helplessness that every it's every parent's worse fear, Like it's not that something will happen to your child, it's the something that will happen to your child that you can't fix. Yes, because stuff's gonna happen, but as apparent you're like, all right, we can get through this.

She didn't know how to help him, especially at the age that our children are right now, where they can communic Kate, but they can't necessarily communicate fully something that's going on, and they can't articulate some of the specific emotions, right, So you know, if there is something wrong where they can't tell you, they can't explain it. In this case, he doesn't want to tell her because he kind of knows the reaction, maybe that or even maybe he'll be

sent away or something. Yeah, and you know he only has his mom in his life. There's a scene where she gets upset with him at the dinner table and it's about the bumble bee pendant. I believe yea because he says he didn't take it and she's a good scene. Oh it's that That is the one that really got me was it was immediately following that scene, I think, um, where she gets upset with him because you know, in her world, he's obviously moving this bumble dependant and he's lying.

He's lying straight to her face about it after she's cooked him this meal, And like, did I identify with that feeling as a parent of like like just talk to me, just tell me the truth. Just talk to me, Like just like when did dig in and what to like picking your battles. Yeah, but then also that frustration that comes along sometimes and so identified with her very much there, but then also with him, like trying to

explain like maybe somebody else moved it. I don't know. Yeah, man, I thought that scene was so well done because especially for a kid that age, because you could see his struggle of like he knows it would be easier just to say I did it, yeah, but he can't because that is the lie. And you see that little face just just struggling. And you've got a son too, it's so it's even more like honed in. Um. I always tell my daughter, you know, like don't just tell me

the truth. You won't be in trouble. Yeah, that's it. Just don't fib and. Nine times out of tend she will tell me the truth, and I'll be like, all right, let's try not do that again. But you were honest with me, and that's what matters. You know, she's getting to that age where sometimes they do lie in fib and and you know they are and it's like tough to handle that stuff. You can only give lessons. Can't punish a kid, I know, for lying at that age

because it's little stuff you know it's nothing big. Well in what she does, she sends him away, like you've had enough roast beef, go to go to your room. And it's the line that he says is in the way he says it, what do you think? What are

you thinking? Mama? And oh so good in this cute because that when you think, if you put yourself you know, and I apologize to anybody who out there who doesn't have children yet, maybe who wasn't identifying with this conversation, but the the moment when you know your child can see frustration in your eyes and you're you're trying very adamantly to you know, stop that within yourself to like not be frustrated, um, because very you know, it's it's

one of those things, um. Children, animals, adults to an extent, do you notice the small things on your face when you're talking to them or if you're you know, just even listening to them. And to see the way Haley plays that of looking at his mother knowing that she's upset or puzzled or something and then just saying, you know, what, what do you what are you thinking? Like I'm a man, I don't know that just there's a heart in his

performance that you don't see out of a kid much. Um. He was nominated for Best Supporting Actor, which I don't think I remembered. This movie, in fact, was nominated for a lot, Best Picture, Best Director, Best Screenplay. Um did it win anything? I don't think so. I don't. I didn't. I didn't recall it winning anything. Let's jump back a sec talk a little bit more broadly about M. Knight Shamalan. Yes, what is your overall take on him as a director

in his career? Oh? Man, I was so excited about him when this first happened, when Six Cents came out? All right, what about every movie since then? Well? Okay, then so then Unbreakable I believe was next, or at least that was the next one that I saw. Uh, And I actually very much enjoyed that movie. Um, because it was a bit of a superhero movie. I think

that's his best movie. I mean, yeah, okay, you know, it's tough for me to even know if that's his best movie for in my mind, but I remember because I haven't seen it forever, but I remember really really liking that take on a superhero. Uh, somewhat reluctant guy who's trying to hide the super strength and invulnerability essentially that he has, and having to come to that realization of Okay, well I have to use this for some good. Um.

And then introducing the character of Glass was really cool. Yeah. I really really liked that movie. The style of it again, and that that scene. We don't have to talk about Unbreakable the whole time, but that scene when he goes into the pool with the cover on it, just that that's one of my biggest fears, seriously, falling falling into a pool with dude, that's terrifying to me. So let's just take through his movies real quick and then I'll

give you my overall thoughts on him. Unbreakable obviously, I thought that was his best film. Uh Signs was his next film. I did not think that was very good. I liked it because of my age. I think when it came up the Village was next. That is a movie I don't think is that great. I found a way in to appreciate it when I talked to Aaron Monkey about it. Yes, because it's no fun to sit around and say you hated some movie that someone loves. I had the exact same thing occur in an early

meeting with him. But you know, I found my way in and I don't hate it. Um. Number The next one I think was The Happening not good. Yeah, I mean I would I would say close to terrible. The Last Airbender didn't terrible. Didn't see it, didn't see it, but it was supposed to be awful. The next I'm sorry we missed the Lady in Water not good, not for me. After Earth, you know, one of the all time big ship bombs. Uh. And then we move on to the trilogy of Split, oh well, Unbreakable, and then

Split and Glass. Split I thought was okay, so enjoyed Split Glass I thought was all right, but really like underwhelmed me on the promise of this final chapter in this story. Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed. Well, you know, the this is one of those things that I think we've kind of talked about with Wachowski. Uh, team you come out of the gate, not out of the gate. Neither of them made their first movie as their major hit,

but they became somewhat popular on a massive hit. And I think with him Night, like he scored so big, he like spent so much time and effort on this movie. All of the pieces, the cast, the writing, everything just seemed to come together and it made something very special. And you know, you try and do it again with

Unbreakable and you kind of get there. We bring Bruce back, you you know, gave some of the same things, but then as you keep continuing down that road of trying to tell a new story, um, it's just none of it resonated. I don't think I forgot about the visit. I did not see that that was the kind of smaller thriller horror movie he did four years ago. I did see something to do with Kids and their Grandparents. Yeah,

I think it was okay. I heard it was one of his better films, and it really flew under the radar, and I remember critics saying, like, this is a good movie. He kind of came back and did something. Uh, you know, left these big, huge movies like Last Airbender and After Earth, these huge, big budget things. Would you do something a little more? You know? Yeah, Rootsie, there there were moments he captured the dread that you feel in the sixth sense in that movie a little bit. So here's my

ideal with him, And I'm just gonna be honest. I don't think he's a very good filmmaker. Really, overall, most of those movies are not very good. Um, he I think is. I don't think he's I think he does some things very well. I think he's really really good at mood and tone and atmosphere and setting in certain visuals and certain moments are really very effective and pretty awesome and inventive. Um. You can't argue the great twist in sixth sense. Uh, you know, he twisted it up

in a lot of other movies to lesser success. Um. So, I think he's really good at certain things. But I think overall he's just not that great of a filmmaker. And I'm kind of surprised he has retained all this currency after making a lot of bad movies. Yeah. I hate the cameos. Okay, I'm not a fan of That's just never a good idea to me. That' her hitchcock and you're just like walking through a scene a right there. There's there are several things I wanna talk about here.

The first one, let's do the cameos, because in the sixth sense, that's the first time we see him night on screen and he plays a doctor talking to Cole's mother and he's explaining to her, like, you know, it wasn't a seizure. We're not really sure what it was, but we didn't notice the injuries on your son, and you're gonna talk to the social worker over here. So I just watched a an early interview with him after the six Sense came out, and he is talking about

his cameo. So he's always wanted to be an actor, and I didn't I didn't know this about him. Honestly, I've never looked this deeply into it. He at least says, you know, my whole family or doctors, and that was kind of an homage to his parents. Yeah, so he was like, well, I'm gonna kind of play this character is like maybe an alter version, alternate version of me that may have existed. Um, and I want to be

an actor. I'm learning about it, I'm interested in it, and i want to get better, So I'm gonna put do this role. Apparently it was a long scene. It was a big scene, and he cut it way down. He cut it way down because he was he was unhappy with her his performance. He's I just couldn't get there. Tony Collette is giving so much in this scene but this and like I just can't I can't compete with that and I can't even like flow with it. Um.

So that to me is somewhat admirable. Like he showed he was going to be in there, and rather than just putting that whole scene out there no matter what, because to get some more screen time or something. Um, he did cut it way back. And that's that kind of decision that hopefully it was his decision. Well at least he showed some some restraint there and like a

Tarantino would be like, no, put more of me in there. Yeah, you know, but you know, then he continues throughout his film career to just be in his films at least once. But I think it's always once, um, which is fine. You know. I don't know. I'm not a fan of the director Cameo. I just don't think it ever works. The few times it has worked is like Martin Scorsese as the cab patron and cab fair and taxi driver. It's because that was just sort of disturbing. Yes, it's disturbing,

but it's also it's about believability. For like, if I if I can see, if I notice there's the director on screen. It takes me out of it. It generally does. But but if if like the first line that comes out or something like makes me believe already, then it's somebody different or it's a character. Um, I'm okay with it. Yeah, but yeah, it does feel like a weird little thing to do if you're if you're a I don't know, I don't know either man. To me, it's indulgent and

kind of vain. Um, okay, yeah, I just yeah, I just don't think it's ever a good good look, I hear you. That's just my take. Yeah, I'm trying to think of another one that really worked for I mean, I thought Tarantino, as far as his cameos go, Um, I thought he was pretty good in Reservoir Dogs, and that wasn't a cameo. He was just kind of in the movie. And that's why I think it felt better because he was just in that first he was in

the opening scene. The cameo feels to me stunty. More when it's like midway point in the movie, it's like here I am for my thirty second scene. It just always takes me out of it. Yeah, but you know, whatever. I want to get back to the twist, because that that's the thing that sticks with everybody that that line. I see dead people the realization like the ring falling off or the wife Bruce Willis's wife dropping the ring and him seeing it and realizing, oh wait, I'm not

wearing my wedding ring. Um, that's the things that we remember, right. But you know when we when we go back and watch this, and millions of people went back to the theater and watch it again, and the numbers show it because the the first weekend they made like twenty seven million, seven million, the second weekend they made twenty six million. That's a nice carry over, Like that's unheard of serious. And you know people were going back to catch all

the nuances. And when you if you go back and you rewatch it and you really think about all of those scenes where it's Bruce Willis and his wife or um, Bruce Willis sitting in the living room while the mother is sitting across from him and Cole enters, you don't question whether or not they were just having a conversation. In your mind, Oh they were just sitting there talking.

If you're it's your first viewing you don't question when Tony Collette or Cole's mom says, hey, you've got an hour, when as she's walking away during that scene, you're like, oh, that's how long a session usually lasts. Um, you know, I in particular, no this because my wife as a child psychologist, which is another level by the way, that's hitting on this movie for me. But you don't think

about it. At the dinner scene on the anniversary, when the wife is sitting there and like clearly upset with him, but you're watching you realize, oh my god, like, holy crap, how did this scene function on two levels the entire time? Yeah, Like, that's pretty masterful to me. He did a pretty good job. Here's my deal. Alright, alright, alright. I watched this last night for the second time, admired a lot of part of it. Overall, it didn't work for me that well

upon second viewing. Maybe it's a little cynicism creeping in. But I did that thing where I started to investigate the Grand Canyon size holes in this movie, which you're not you know, you've got to really really check out on this one, and which I'm able to do a

lot of times. Like I remember I saw The Quiet Place, and that movie is famous for its plot holes, and I was like, you know, I just went with it, But upon second viewing, I started to get annoyed last night at how dumb you have to be to accept these plot holes. Oh olkright, just give me a couple of examples, like just talk to me. He's dead, Like, how did you get in that house to take that first meeting the Tony collectim because he doesn't know he's dead.

You know, how did he set up the appointment? He's a dead guy? When he walks into the anniversary uh dinner, he goes, oh, I thought you meant the other Italian restaurant, Like what conversation is he referencing? Mm hmm. How about the fact that he has literally not been spoken to by a human being for like a year. Yeah, yeah,

but nobody else has talked to him, not at all. Well, you know, every every store he goes into, every he's been living with this woman as his wife, and the presumption is she hasn't spoken to him in six months or whatever. Yet he's just like, man, I'm having some marriage troubles here, So like there is it occurred to me that there's so much suspension of disbelief. It just

overweighed the film just too much for me. There's a line, there's a line that Bruce Willi says where he mentions that I've just been losing time or or I've been time something about losing time or forgetting time or like

missing time. Like he he specifically referencing that it's almost as if he is just kind of a peering or like he just exists in these places, or he just kind of his consciousness awakes when he's sitting in that chair with Tony Collette and then like then he's like in the chapel sitting with Haley Joel Osmond or you know. That's the way it seems like the and it kind of would make sense the way the ghosts, the other ghosts that that Haley Joel Osmond or Coal experiences in

the movie. It just gets cold all of a sudden and they're there. Yeah, right, that's the way. That's the way it functions. The other thing is, why is Haley Joe Osmond never cold? Like when I read about that, actually, okay, tell me, because that was another thing that bothered me. But apparently he said it's he just the cold just happens when they are there and they need something from him, So it's a very kind of quick thing or something

like that when they're trying to get his attention. Maybe, yeah, I think so. And I think a lot of other people tried to explain, like I think M. Knight put lines like they only see what they want to see in there to sort of explain away some of Bruce Willis's stuff, But it still doesn't discount the fact that he's not been spoken to by another human since he died that night, And that's just you can't I just

couldn't check it at the door this time. I'm thinking about him walking into the restaurant to see his wife on two occasions, I believe, and he like just walks right past the host hostess I guess, and she's already got the table is so he just walks right in, sits down, doesn't order anything. But when he referenced the like, oh, I thought you meant the other Italian restaurant, It's like, what is he talking about? Then? I guess you could presume that maybe she wrote it down in a calendar

in their house or something. I don't know, man, it's all a reach for me now, but that did not ruin the film for me. Um, I will knock it for that, and I will knock it for what I like to call film school stuff. There were a few scenes were to me it was clearly a rookie filmmaker. Um. I was astounded that he got nominated for Best Director. I think everyone was sort of it was a bit of a smoke screen because it was this big cultural hit because to me, directorially, there were a lot of

kind of rookie film SCHOOLI things that he did. Um. The scene that jumps out of me is a scene where the couple is shopping for a wedding ring and it's just so poorly done and ham fisted in hokey. Yeah, I just had a lot of films. What do you think about that shot inside the like the jewelry box kind of or the cabinet. Because of the show, I hated it. There were a few shots that I hated.

I was like a film school student. But the very opening of the movie, when their whole thing is there them reflected in his award, I didn't like that either. It just seemed very sort of, well, I'm making up my first film, so I'm going to do all these you know the scene where the Tony Collette you see her frame through the the doily and that the Lacey thing. Yeah, I hated that. Oh I know, man, I'm so sorry. I wanted to come in here and be like this movie is magic still okay? But I had a lot

of problems. And Emily was sort of in my ear too, was like, what is that ship? That's film school one I won, So that may have influenced me too, we'll see. But here here's my thing. I wonder how much of that, um, how much of that is because of your experience and your understanding of like deep understanding of filmmaking maybe, and and and I wonder how many other I do well I do Here's my thing. I identified a lot of that too. I did not love the stuff that you're

talking about. Um. But for me in this movie, the place that is taking me totally, I'm almost I'm not I'm honestly not paying that much attention to the cinema bography. I'm so heavily invested in the characters that are in there. Yeah. Sure, something like that scene with the jewelry store didn't do anything for me and kind of takes me out of it. Um, but not because of the cinematography necessarily. It's because we're dealing with these characters in this moment that just feels

like it's unnecessary. It was very corny. I don't see why I was even in the Well the problem here's the thing. They almost didn't flesh out, or they it's almost, let's say two percent fleshed out. Uh. Malcolm's wife's character very very true, right, and I think it suffers because

of that. Yeah, And I want to believe that there's something else written in there that's going to give us more of an understanding of her through But it's really just, um, you know, her husband dies, she's sad, she's got this guy that she works with that's interested in her and who I love that guy by the way, that actor, Oh yeah, yeah, he's great. Well yeah he I mean

he does this thing in this movie. It's very quick like this his he was in flirting with disaster and the ice storm, and I it's just, um, you know, infidelity is one of those things that's always bothered me my whole life. Like the concept of it is one of those like upper echelon, Like there's murder and then infidelity. For me, that's my thing. And you know, when I first watched this movie, it bothered me so much that character.

I was just like, oh, this son of a bitch, And um, there's that moment that we're talking about, that scene where they look like they're about to kiss, like it's about to be a moment on that little couch while that couple is still hanging out in the in the store, which was weird to me because it looks like they just moved a little bit away, like just to the back of the store that was still connecting and they're about to have this tender moment and then

Bruce will smashes the window. I was like, yeah, smash that window, dude. Um. But then also, how did he smash that window? Well, that's the rules of this movie are hard to understand, because if he can interact physically with the world, um, then he can open doors and walk into a restaurant. And how he got into Tony Colett's house I'll still never figure out. Did he knock and then she opened it? She's like, no one's here, and he just like because he thinks he's alive, Like

I can't. Yeah, he mean so much if he thinks he's alive, and he just followed her in and didn't see anything, sat next to her and didn't speak. He didn't get paid for his time, And how was that got him appointment set up? Where did that come from? Oh God, I need a ghost to come over and talk with my son. Do you have anyone you can send um? So here's what I think happened. I think m Night figured out this great twist he's making the

writing this film. I think he probably shows it to some people, and some people might have said, but hold on a minute, like what about the fact that no one's spoken to the sky and how does he even get in these rooms? And uh uh. I think he was probably like, you know what, no one's gonna think about that ship because they're gonna be so engrossed with these the film and these characters and this great twist. It'll it'll you know, movies kind of like a scale

sometimes that's tipping one way or the other. And sure some of this stuff might not work, but the scale will be tipped further in favor because of these the great acting and the great tone, and like people won't think about that, or even better, they'll go back and see it another time and be mad box office dollars. But you know, the public clearly has answered the bell, and people love this movie. In that interview, Night as he's referred to, the people call him Night, will just

call him. They don't call him him sometimes maybe they call him Night. At least in this he refers to himself as Night. Yeah. I think I knew that UM. He talks about wanting to create that cultural phenomenon movie. He wanted to do it, and he wasn't sure that this was going He was hoping it was UM and then it became that um Man. You know the guy

that that Greenland that Scott fired really very famously. Yeah, this guy read the script at Disney, flipped over it and like made a three million dollar deal, very big deal, and everyone was so mad at him at Disney. He got fired and then they sold the rights to UM another company, be Sarah, Like who is this guy? And you and you allowed him to sign on as a director,

like as part of the deal. Be fucking crazy. And then it goes on to be this huge hit Academy Award nominee, like six nominations, Cultural Zeitgeist and Disney's like dang it. Probably I wonder, um, I wonder what it would have looked like if Disney like was over it and maybe got a different director in there or something yeah, or or or maybe even just had a little more control at the table, um, you know, with the edit or with some of the production. And I mean beyond

besides some of the film school stuff. I love the setting that those neighborhoods in Philadelphia the Fall. He really creates an atmosphere that works. I think. I think the score was great. I think a lot of the cinematography was good when he wasn't trying to be show off ee. Um, so a lot of the movie worked for me. That that beginning, that opening scene with Donnie Wahlberg, I didn't

even remember. I remember rather being shocked at who that was when I first saw it, and I told the Emily last night, was like, you know this Donnie Wallberg. She's like no, so yeah, I look at his face, that's him. He was sucking outstanding And that scene was really good and a great way to well, I'm not quite open the film because they had that the schmaltzy beginning where she got the award and she's, you know, all that stuff, which you needed, I guess to establish

you know, their relationship. But that the film to me really starts with us fucking scary scene. Yeah, there's a guy in our house and he's a former patient. Was like not doing well mentally, and and how's he introduced with that shadow, like you see the broken window. And that's what he's really good at. I think, Um, he just nails certain moments so well. As a filmmaker. He just never fully put it all together for me, but

he's so good at certain things. That was truly chilling when that shadow and that sound that yeah, you know, yeah, I got chills right now. It was really well done and just intense and scary. And Donnie Wahlberg was great his performance. I didn't realize he lost forty plus pounds just for that little role and it was like it was crazy Donny apparently according to m Night Shama, and he wanted to be in the movie. Um, and Night

was like, that's so funny to say that. Night was like, um, yeah, but you're just like you're big dude, you know, like I we're looking for, you know, scrawny guy kind of emaciating. He's like, I'm a loosing weight. I'll get back to you. Donnie comes back forty forty three or something pounds, and he's just like, uh, you got to give him the part then do well, yeah, I'm not. Selon was like I didn't recognize him when he came in, and he like, it looks like this guy I've imagined, And I think

that's the key. He has to disappear because of course now it's a big deal, but back then, you know, Donnie Wahlberg was sort of a big cultural reference point for some people. Yeah, and now one, you know, Wallburger's is just taken off and they got one in Atlanta. One. He was just here, Marky Mark who huh, yeah, exactly what about Donnie? Can we talk about Donnie's nipple ring? Though? Did he have one? In the movie? He has a nipple ring? How I didn't notice why? I didn't need it.

I didn't even think about it. My wife goes, huh, he's got a nipple ring last night? I didn't either. Um. He was truly great in that movie. In that scene though, and it was it was chilling and scary and tense. It really like it was a powerful way to kind of open your set your plot in motion, I think, yeah, oh my gosh, and you know the next fall Jose

that Bruce will is sitting on the bench. I'm not one of these people that's gonna retroactively say like yeah, I kind of figured it out, Like I had no idea that twist truly knocked me on my ass and had all the effect that he intended. The first time I saw it, didn't see it coming. I thought it was great. Um. I still think it's a really good plot twist. Uh. I wasn't thinking about those holes back then. Yeah, the my late twenties. Yeah, I still don't think about him.

But let's talk about No, I don't want you to think about him. I don't want to your experience. Um, let's talk about some of the spirits that he encounters. Yeah, all really scary stuff. The even though this movie I would argue as a drama with some elements of horror, definitely, and it's just yeah, that suspense thing. Um, but so I think it's the Oh god, I forgot about the scene. I've totally forgot about this scene when I was rewatching it where the mom is doing laundry. She's getting some

food ready for coal and his tie. Something's on his tie, like smudge or someone on his tie. So she takes the tie in a single shot that doesn't cut, takes it over to the laundry room, which is the next room over, puts like switches it out for a different one, comes back in and all the cabinets have been opened up, and um man, that was so great and she screams yeah, she screams, yeah that see again, that's super effective and very easy, like yeah, it's not some big special effects

thing or a monster, it's just open drawers and cabinets. Yes, and you know the effect if you the effective thing there is the sound design to me, like and I know it's pretty easy. You just cut all that sound and you're just fully and all the other stuff. But it sounded so real. I did not break for a second thing. Oh that's a that's eight yard or anything like that, because you know, it had to be the whole thing, had to because there there's a whole team

of people in their opening cabinets in that moment. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bunch of p a s in our department like up and open. God. But the way Cole is sitting when she enters back in Cole's sitting there with his hands flat on the table and just looking at his mom with food in front of him that he's not touching, and the way he's talking so quietly. Yea um again again, it kind of moved me, like that's he uses that same line. What's you thinking, mama at

that little voice? Man? He was so cute, dude, And then he leaves and there's just this the coensation sweat on the table. So what is that? Is that just part of the fear. I think that's what that's showing you. So that's not supernatural. I don't think so. I think that's just showing you, like whatever. And maybe it did get really cold for a moment, just for a moment

when that character was there. And what we find out the woman that was there was like, um, I don't think we ever get to meet her again in the story. We see her one time in her bathrobe in the house, which was so scary. Where when he goes into p in the middle of the night. Yeah yeah, he thinks it's his mom and another camera crossing, Yeah, and she's turned around and she's like yelling about her husband. He has a weird name too, Yeah, yeah, I forget the name.

I mean, this movie gets it's it's about the fifty minute mark that it's a bit of a long set up. And about the fifty minute mark I looked on the timer is when they really start appearing. And this movie kind of gets pretty scary in a lot of ways, like every reveal, Like I thought all that stuff was really well done. That the boy that says, you want to show you, let me show you where my dad hides his gun. And then he turns around his heads

the back of his head's blown out, like fucking that's tough, man. Yeah, scary and like gut wrenching for a parent, obviously. And and in that moment, in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, wow, this house must be haunted or something, because their ghosts all in here. Like she must have slid her wrists in the bathtub or something. He must have like found a gun in that lip in that room where he lives where the kid stays. Yeah, like that house has

got some bad juju. Yeah. Well, and then the girl comes in a little Misha Barton right, Yeah, holy crap, she was good. Now, Yeah, let's talk about that, because that's where he learns the very important um uh part of his world, which is there after something I can help them, like he he has a he has charged

with helping these people. Well yeah, yeah, I think it's Bruce Willison the scene before that, isn't it us will Is saying something like what I think what you need to do is listen to them, Yeah, something like that, talk back to them or listen to them. Yeah, like interact with them instead of just running away or being scared or whatever. And then this little kid who's been

terrified of him this whole time. Yeah it's a dead person, yeah, who is died pretty horrendously like this when she shows up, man, yeah, like he thinks he's safe. He's in his tent with all his religious memorabilia. It's a really bright red tent by the way, remember yeah his use or pretty yuh, and it just starts popping on the top like yeah again man, he can That's really scary when that tents coming upen and she's just sitting there with vomit coming

out of her mouth. Well breakfast cereal but sure oh yeah, okay, okay, I guess it was. It was breakfast cereal, isn't it. It It was the thing I looked that up. Yeah, it was cereal, but she um. The reveal there was great, I think, and chilling. The at that funeral scene where the dad is he delivers that VHS. I'm getting chills again thinking about it, and he sees that his mom has been or her mom has been poisoning her. It's

like that was really that was really great. I think again, parts of this movie I thought were so well done. Have you heard of the Netflix show The Stranger? Is that the Patrici Arquette thing? No, no, no, that's another one. This it's called a Stranger. It's British. Um. I just watched the whole thing, like seriously two days. Yeah, as a series two days. I've been to the entire thing Stranger.

Wait a minute, maybe I do know that. I'm only saying this because munchild's and by proxy enters into that story as well. Um, the concept of like getting their child sicker. And I loved one sick um that was in the Amy Adam show too, that was out not too long ago. That was part of the plot. That's yeah, and we've covered that on and stuff. You should know it's really tough. Oh yeah, I remember that Stranger. I don't think I know this movie, this set show. It

just popped on there. I don't know anything about it. Besides I very much enjoyed it. Um, oh this is new. Yeah, it's got a great cast and the writing is pretty solid. Anyway, I would say check it out. Um to jump back, I want to talk where was the other? It was the other moment of a spirit that he sees. Oh God, Okay, let's talk about this scene. And I want to find out if you're gonna tear it apart at all. We've already kind of mentioned it, but it's right towards the

end before the massive reveal. It's when it's the scene when Cole finally tells his mom what's going on. They're in the car, traffic is stopped. The first thing we see is there's clearly been an accident. There's an ambulance I think, and traffic is deadlocked, and we the camera just kind of follows down the line of cars until we get to there the mom's car. Cole's in there and he's just kind of looking out his passenger side window.

The mom's frustrated that he just did. Cole just performed in this play, which was like he finally got the moment that he talks about in the beginning where he gets raised up like a hero because he was the hero of the play and it's just this beautiful moment for him. Bruce Willis was watching him in the middle of the aisle. By the way, he's always in the middle of the It's funny last night when that came out and said, what the fund is he doing standing

there in the middle of the aisle? Maybe I giggled it that because he did it. I think he did it several times where he just in the middle of the aisle. Yeah, I guess I'm in the theater now. Let's it's say for the ghosts, you know, and everyone can see through him. So yes. So the mom is explaining that she's really sorry that she wasn't there. She wished she would have been at the play, but she couldn't make it. Um. He's like, yeah, no, it's okay, mom,

I get it. Um. And then she mentioned something like I hope that nobody got hurt in the accident, that someone did get hurt. She's like, how do you know? And she starts looking up there. Dude, he's got that great line. I think I wrote this whole thing down here. Maddie, re enactmancies are great. Well, no, no no, I'm not gonna

re enact it. But he he says just quietly, um, I'm ready to communicate with you now, Oh that's right, and she's like communicate like and it's actually great, like the way she's like communicate because he's talking to the lady right she he's talking to. Oh I took at that as he's talking to the dead lady. Oh, I don't know. I thought he's talking to his mom as setting up like that, like I'll tell you what's going on. I'm ready to tell you, and you're probably right. But

he used the word communicate, which is funny. I love that. She was like, really, okay, it's a funny little parent moment. Yeah, it was just that was nice. But he merely just says, you know that, you know that accident up there, someone got hurt. She's like they did a lady she died and she's like what really, Like, like, first of all, my young child is talking about death, which is never a fun conversations always it's generally difficult. We're talking about

that a lot lately, so too. Halloween did it this year. Really he just like something clicked, and you like, it's sure exactly what it was. It may have been her grandmother, Emily's mom. One of their dogs died and so that may have been ed. When my dog passed, we touched on it. But he was pretty young. So she's starting to say some really sad things like you know, when I get older, you know grand grand will be dead

and when older. But she also says things like you know, when older people die, they go back to being babies. So it's interesting, Yeah, like work style. I don't know, maybe she's got the gift, but it's really sad stuff. So I try to diffuse it just by saying, you know, like, oh, you don't need to worry about that stuff generally. That's why I trying to deflect a little bit. Let's talk about true. You know, that's really true. They people die,

but you don't have to worry about that stuff right now. Yeah, but go ahead, But he just explains she's like what can you see her? Where is she? And he's like standing next to my window. She starts to, you know, is my son crazy? Like you can see it in her face in her performance? What is happening here? And you know, you're scaring me, and he says, they scare me too. Sometimes I feel like she almost believes him a little bit too. It's yeah, it's both right. She's

tearing on tearing on the edge. He was fantastic in this movie, dude. But then they just he goes through and ends up mentioning Grandma about the bumblebee pendant that was such a big earlier, and she's like, Grandma says, she's sorry for moving the bat, for taking the bumble bee pendant. She just really likes it or she loves it.

And then he told the whole story that like he wouldn't know yes her when she was young, just like how the mom missed his play the grandmother, I guess I missed, must have missed a lot of performances of her daughter. And Grandma apparently just says, no, I did I saw her dance, like, or I tell her I saw her dance because I was there. I snuck in. I was in the back of the theater and I watched the whole thing in the middle of the aisle yep. And she said, you were like an angel, yeah, and dude,

I just was like, oh, dude, Emily was falling. Yeah. I looked over and she was like, I can't even think it. That was a great scene, dude, this is I'm gonna find I'm gonna finish it. She said, you came to the place where they buried her and asked her a question. She said, the answer is every day. Yeah, all right, Matt, Yeah, dude, I'm okay. I'm hanging in there. It was just like, oh God, you know I would be crying right now too if it not for the plot holes that has made me a little bit dead

outside God, chuck. Now, that was a really well done seen and I think they were again, so much of this movie I think was was great. Um, so I'm not. I'm not like God that movie Like I didn't like it twenty years on I did. Um, can we talk about the stuttering Stanley scene? Yeah? Because online there is a rich world of theories. Really, Yeah, because how does he know that he was stuttering? Stanley's the whole thing and you don't we think about that? No, you don't.

Could be another plot hole kind of is, but I think it leaves it open ended to figure it out because he never goes back and explains that. And there was one theory I saw on Reddit that, Um, it wasn't some crazy out there Reddit thing. It was just very matter of fact. This dude was like, well, I think this guy was bullied and killed one of his bullies, and that's how Lee joel Os thats how Cole gets

this information. Uh, And it was just very simple and a lot of people like this actually makes a lot of sense, and uh, it's not outlandish and it totally could be the deal. But that he didn't go back and like flashback to a scene of him being bullied and like hitting a kid with a brick or something in the playground. Um, but that whole thing is kind of weird because he he also has that part backstage where you see the teacher who was burned and he talked about the fire. So I don't know if that

had something to do with it or not. But how did he know he was stuttering Stanley. It was a good scene. It was very intense and well well played, I think, but it was another one of those moments where immediately I was like, wait, I never thought about it the first time, but last night I was like, wait a minute, how does he know he was stuttering Stanley? Because he can see dead people. He was a straight up murderer. Maybe he said that fire well, that was

another one of the theories. He said he set the fire that burned that teacher and he's still got a job there. Maybe. I don't know. That scene was great though, because that was when the idea that the school had dead people, yes, and he was like, no, this wasn't. People weren't hanged here. And he saw that great shot of those three like colonial era people hanging there. Yeah, that was really good. Again, I'm getting chills all over

the place. Well, and for me, it's the way Hayley Joel Osmond and it's either the directing or the performance. But he's standing looking perpendicularly to the gymnasium entrance up those stairs and just talking. He's never looking at them. He knows they're there. He like glanced him and saw them. Yeah, that was a good shot. He's speaking to Bruce Willis's character in front of him a time. Uh. That just made it more intense for me. Yeah, it's a good choice.

There are a lot of good choices in this movie. Oh absolutely. Um. And again I think he think he is as a filmmakers. His my deal is with him, as he has so much promise that I think he hasn't fully realized. Like, even though I liked Unbreakable the best, I think I like it best because it has the fewest amount of things that I didn't like got it rather than boy it was this amazing film. Like every other movie of his, I'm like, oh man, that's that

didn't quite work. This doesn't quite work. Yeah, I liked a lot of the Village parts of it, but there were some pretty big plot holes in that one too that I just you know, you're I think he counts on you to really just roll past those. Dude, You're so right for me. The first time I saw The Village, I remember really liking it. I loved it the first time I saw it. I liked it a lot more

of the first time too. It was the second time when I started to realize and I was trying to read it the way I read the sixth sense, where I'm like, Okay, let's put all these pieces together, like to see the full picture, and I was just going, wait a second, all the like the whole movie I'm going home, wait what but again, like tone and atmosphere, the use of color, like he's really really great at

that stuff. Yeah, oh my gosh, Um, what was it Bruce Willis heard on that cassette tape the Latin thing. I didn't quite follow that. Oh what was that all about? Was that the one where I might have zoned out for a minute. Is this the cassette tape where he goes back and he realizes that Vincent was somehow hearing dead people? Is that what we're talking about. I guess it was like an old interview with Vincent and I

couldn't understand what was being said. Okay, so it first it sounds like Spanish, yes, and then you realize, okay, it is Spanish, and what he's saying in Spanish is I don't want to die, or okay, I don't want to die or don't want to be dead, but I

don't want to die the way it said. Um, And he's just hearing this and he's like, and I guess that is Bruce Willis's character's realization that both Vincent, who was exhibiting very similar symptoms as Coal was like realizing it was the same thing, and Malcolm was unable to help Vincent at the time because he didn't believe it. This is his redemption. Yeah, I didn't know, but that's that real moment where he figures it out. But it's

weird to me. I guess it would make sense if you're talking about electronic voice phenomena, like maybe there's a ghost voice recorded on this thing, because is that what you hear like with with an e v P. No, no no, no, And in the cassette do you just hear Vincent? Did you turn it up and here's some other thing? Yeah, you hear Vincent breathing like and kind of having a panic attack of and then he turns it way up and you can hear the guy speaking in Spanish saying

I don't want to die. Oh okay, all right, I'm sorry. I get it now. So that was what he turned it up and heard. Was that was presumably a Spanish ghost there? Yea, yeah, there was another voice. There's another voice in the room with Vincent when he left the room, Like everybody's gone with Vincent in one of those non interrogation room, but you know, an interview room in a clinical setting probably And yeah, okay, I think I must

have zoned out for a minute last night. That makes much more sense now unless it was you know, and that's a cool little plot point too. I think. Yeah, but you know, it could have been a staff member or another patient somewhere just talking. We worked with Mikes a lot. You can like, there are people all around us right now. We're in this tiny little room. There are people walking and talking all around us right now.

And if you turn this up enough, if you just if we were just silent for a second, yeah, you could hear no farting in the background. Who knows what you could hear? Goodness people. Um, I guess let's talk about the end a bit and the you know, the reveal scene. I think it holds up. This is what this is exactly what I wanted to ask you. We talked in Fight Club about the reveal mont Yeah, this has a very similar reveal Monty, where you go back and kind of show the reality of what you've already seen.

How how does this compare to you? I like this one more. I think I remember to think the Fight Club would bother me a bit. This one doesn't bother me as much. It's, um, it's a bit of a trope, but like I think it kind of worked for this movie because it really is a movie where especially the

first time you see it. It pays off to see those things happen again in a pretty good way where you're like, oh shit, she was by herself in that restaurant and he's you know, he's he's always by himself, or I mean they're always by themselves because he's not really there. I thought it worked and it was I think it was good. I would agree with you. I actually was viewing it this time thinking about the way you felt about the fight club scene, and I was

just going, I was, they do marry each other. I didn't think about that. It's weird. It's weirdly similar, these two movies that just trick you that came out the same year. Yeah, but that's the thing that they didn't invent it. I know they didn't invent it. These are like the two well the biggest movies that true when they both had a very similar convention. Yeah, it's interesting be ghost person, Brad Pitt meet Bruce Willis. Have they ever been in a movie together? Oh god, um, what

is the Twelve Monkeys? Oh? Yeah, oh my lord, here you go. Oh that's what year was that? I must have been earlier? But when was? No, no, no, no, no, it can't be Has anybody done that movie on this show? No, I feel like that was one of your on on your list, definitely that would definitely, Yeah, that's all right, we can do whatever we want. Also a big year for me. UM. I thought the I thought the reveal worked,

though even upon second viewing, UM it holds up. I think I liked the I really like the way they got into it with the ring falling, Like coming into the house again, we keep seeing him just kind of hover around his wife, not talking to her. Um, and who is it? I think it was Cole says right before this scene, like two scenes before, he says, I figured out a way you can talk to your wife. Wait till she's asleep, that's right, and you know, just tell her everything you want to tell her and she'll

hear you. Um, but you know, and that happened and she talked to her sleep presumably right. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I thought that worked. I got no problems with that scene. Well and then that, yeah, I think he starts talking to her and apologizing to her. Right, He's like, I'm sorry that I haven't been in here. I've been around. But I think this was sort of his big Catharsis was to tell her like, basically, you were never you're

never second, your second. Yeah, I love you. Oh wait, but wait, that was why haven't you spoken to me in a year? This was okay? Now I'm trying to figure out in the timeline. Um, okay. So prior to the reveal, she says, he says, Anna, she says, I miss you, like she's kind of asleep. She said, I miss you. Why Malcolm, And he says, what, what is it?

Why did you leave me? She says. He says, I didn't leave you, And that's when she drops the wedding ring, right it falls, and that's when his mind like shatters, and that that first part is a taste of the reveal. But I don't think when I saw that for the first time, I still put it together with the wedding ring.

I think it needed those extra scenes for sure, for sure, but it was just a great way to get you into it, for in my mind of that when he looks down his wedding rings not on his finger, and at first you know that could be linked to divorce, that could be linked to separation, It could be linked to a lot of different things. Um, But immediately again, my brain goes, wait, was he has he e been wearing that blue shirt like this whole time? I think he has he was, and there's a bullet hole in

the front of it. I thought that reveal was kind of cool, how the exit wound was there the whole time and you just didn't know it because he's usually got on the overcoat and he you know, because everyone else's wounds are evident. Uh So that that was a nice little touch. I think I did not notice, even rewatching it again, I didn't notice he was wearing the

same damn outfit. Evidently he didn't either, that he had worn the same outfit per year and he had a hole in it in that shirt everybody else has changed and he wasn't Like, what then is this hole in my stomach my shirt? And that's weird. I gotta take care of that. Yeah, that man, that was really really great. Yeah. I mean, I think this movie is one where if you can check all that at the door, truly lose

yourself in it, it still really works. Um. But twenty years on, for me, I'm a little more cynical maybe about these plot holes, and found myself kind of being distracted a bit I get it, but you know, good film. Not Are you disappointed to me? No, no, I because I'm identifying with it. I do feel the same way. I did not expect to be as moved this time though. Just yeah, that stuff like the scale I was talking about, that stuff really helped counterbalance it was the emotional stuff

really got to me a lot more. Seriously, I would say, if you were listening to this and you haven't watched The Sixth Sense in a little while, especially if you've had a child since watching it, Yeah, agreed, do yourself favor and watch it because it will. It will move you, It really will. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, like I said, it's it's really kind of a drama about a troubled boy and his mom. That's sort of the heart of this movie. The rest of the stuff is around it. But uh, I think I

could maybe used a little more. How do we leave them? How do we leave mom and Cole? What's the last thing we see with them? Isn't it in the car? Is it? There wasn't like a scene at the end where they he kind of feels better and they have a nice day in the park or something. See, let's see um any handed. She says, she answers the question or she gives the question that the grandma answered, which was every day. She says, do I make her proud?

And he just says, Mama, right, hug. Then we cut right to Malcolm walking in and has passed out on the couch watching that wedding video. We get the reveals. So that is the last bit. It goes to White. I guess that is their closure then, because it starts with them, it ends with them. And you know, I also have to say that I think Bruce Willis and Hayley Joel Osmond's chemistry was great. Um, when it's just

the two of them, that's really good stuff. Oh yeah, all right, man, Like watching this movie and just seeing this kid and then hearing the interview there's a short interview like behind the scenes interview with Haley Joe Osmond at the time describing his character. Yeah, he was pretty advanced. Holy crap. You can't give a performance with this kind of depth at that age if you're not ahead of the curve of a bit. Yeah. So then he goes on he does like a I he does a ton

of big movies. Um, pretty great, and and all of them, this one, to me was always the standout role, like the one that he just was able to really eat up and just he understood it for some reason. So well, Um, not that I didn't like a I have you done Ai, I didn't think that was very good. I didn't really like it either, And I don't think it was his fault. Uh No, it wasn't. It was disappointing though, Uh yeah.

And then I remember at the time, I was like Kubrick's original story, Yeah, I know this is going to be lights out great, and it just wasn't. It just didn't do it. Um. But he you know, he goes on, he makes all these movies and he leaves, he goes to n y U. Sorry, did a tiny bit of research on him, because a degree does this whole thing

comes back. He's working with Kevin Smith a lot. Yeah, he's come back and kind of leaning into comedy and sort of I think he realizes that when he's used now it's a bit of a not a stunt, but a bit of a nod and a wink. Yeah, And look, I maybe just missing something because I don't know and I honestly haven't looked into it that much, but I would love to see him in another dramatic role of some sort. Is like there there's some intensity to it,

but also that tenderness. I would love to see that again, Like how how his performances have evolved, how his craft is. Give him something really meaty, man, I would love to see that. I would too, maybe like something smaller, like a little indie he could be in. And uh, he's one. It's one of those things that when you're a kid that was so big in something. It's sort of like the McAuley Culkin syndrome. It's it's tough when you see him grown up with his beard with a little weight

on him, with that same little face though. He's just one of those like I look completely different than when I was a kid. I'm not, but he still has that same face. Well you know, yeah, I agree, Yes, So it's it's it's always funny. Well and also growing up in the Hollywood system. Um, sure you did all right though you got a d U I bad. Yeah, I just I'm just speaking more to the scary dark stuff, yeah, in the culture out there. Yeah, with with certain individuals

that we've discussed on my show a lot. Stuff they don't want you to know. Yeah, plug plug Alright, dude, you got anything else? Um, I've wrote down a whole bunch of stuff in the bottom. The very last thing you see in the credits is this motion This motion picture was created by six cents per Yeah, sixth cents per Oh jeez, this is hard to say. Six six cents productions incorporated for the purposes of copyright, uh in

the United Kingdom, which was interesting to me. And I was trying to figure out what that meant because previously that it's like copyright by uh the people that made is uh not Spiler Hollywood Pictures, Spyglass Entertainment, Spyglasses, and Disney sold it too. Yeah. Uh, that's such a weird thing. And I did, honestly didn't know what it meant. I have no idea. We're gonna have to look into that

what that means. It's strange. Um. The school psychologist thing, if anybody out there is listening, is a psychologist for any reason, but in particular for children, like working with kids in schools or you know, kids with behavior issues. Cheers to you for doing I was gonna say God's work, but yeah, who you know, I don't even need to bring that being into it, the work of human Yeah, doing amazing stuff for all of us. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

that's a nice little shout out. And if you can see dead people right to me, tell me please, like I want to talk to you, show me how to do it, give me the gifts. I want that so badly.

All right, everyone, thanks for listening. Um. I thought this was a good one to tackle because it wasn't a love fest and most of the times it's a movie that, like I loved unabashedly, so it was kind of an interesting experiment to talk about one that I had issues with overall, Like though, Yeah, um, and thanks for like hanging in there and not being like a sour post about it. Thanks for having me on again. Yeah what's next?

Do we now? Um? Not sure, but we were just talked about Twelve Monkeys and I'm I'm into that all right. If we haven't done it, have you done? Um? Oh god? What is I'm trying to think of this movie? The Fisher King? Have you done that? Fisher King is one of my all time favorites. Like, I would do that one in a heartbeat. I like New York in June. How about you. Maybe maybe right on the um on the movie crushers see what they want to hear. Yeah, I'd love to people do a poll and let people vote.

That would be great. Twelve monkeys or fisher King which are related or another that I'm not thinking about right now. That we should do wellies a long year. That's true, all right, Maddie, thanks for coming in, Thank you guys for listening, and we'll see you next week. Monster DC Sniper. Yes, go listen to Monster season three, The DC Sniper. Great show, banging up the charts. You did a great job. Sorry to do another plug, just please, no, no, you should

check that out. It is quality, quality stuff. If you're into true crime, and this is more than true crime, I think. I think it's it's elevated beyond that, such a monumental case in our country's history. Good stuff, Thank you, all right, goodbye, everybody, bye. Ye. Crush is pretty edited and engineered by Ramsay unt here in our home studio at Pont City Market, Atlanta, Georgia. For I Heart Radio.

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