Horror Roundtable: Dream Warriors and Season of the Witch

blonde hair, friendly smile, Thank you. I feel like we're describing characters and horror movies like who are going to be killed off one by one? But thank you. You're the final girl, so you're in good shape. Uh. To the top right is me Um, I might as well describe myself. I'm wearing an Axl Rose bandana or a Rambo bandana or Joe said a little Steven from Sopranos bandana because I did a spinning class before this and was dripping sweat, so that's why I looked like a

crazy person. Bottom left, I have former Movie Crush producer engineer Ramsey Junt. But Ramsey left me like a bad cold. Ramsey's got a nice full beard. Uh, he's got kind of puffy morning hair and he's a great T shirt that says Atlanta wouldn't be ship without black people, very much true. And then on the bottom right we have Mr Joseph McCormick. Joe always has bed hair, uh, which in the best possible way, and uh, sort of scraggly little beard and mustache. And what is your shirt, say Joe? Uh,

it's much less profound. My shirt says tom Atkins rules. And who's tom Atkins? Tom Atkins is the hunk from Halloween three, Season of the Witch. He's the strawberry Burt Reynolds. That's right. So we're gonna be talking about Halloween three, Season of the Witch and Nightmare on Elm Street, three Dream Warriors. Uh. But I'm glad you're all here today because you know what today is, guys. Three more days

to Hallo, Hallo Halloween. Three more days to Halloween. Everybody, did you sit bolt upright in bed in the middle of the night with that in your head? So? I had never seen that movie, you guys. We'll start with Halloween three, the um sort of the non sequel to the Halloween movies. And the story, well, someone else told the story. I talk all the time. Who wants to tell the story of why this is what it is. Oh, Joe, I think you should go. Yeah, Joe's sort of the

one spread this virus in the office. I've never seen it until you were, like you pulled out. It's like fancy DVD copy. Maybe too soon for spreading virus jokes too, Oh yeah, sorry. Well, the Halloween three season of the which is the third entry, of course in the Halloween franchise, but it does not have Michael Myers in it, the killer from the first two movies. It was fast. That's true that they're put up at a different times where characters in the movie watch the first Halloween on a TV,

which is just wonderful. But it's the third movie, and they decided, you know what, what if we just completely started a brand new plot that had nothing to do with the other movies. The idea was that they were going to try to create an anthology series that would come out every year and in October and there'd be a new Halloween themed movie. And you know, so, the director of Halloween three, Tommy Lee Wallace, was from the John Carpenter scene. He was I think the editor of

the first Halloween movie. Uh, and there are a lot of Halloween people involved in Halloween three. One of the

reasons it has. One of the reasons I think it really feels on brand for Halloween, even though it's a totally different story, is that it has the Halloween three or it has the Halloween sound and the Halloween look, and the Halloween sound comes from a score by John Carpenter, and I think Alan Howarth and the Halloween look is definitely due to cinematography by Dean Kundy, And we should definitely come back to that because I think that's one

of the really great things about this ridiculous movie. Uh

do we need to describe the plot? The plot is basically that an evil druid Warlock becomes a business tycoon who sells Halloween masks with the goal of distributing them across the country so that children put them on on Halloween Night while they watch a TV commercial that plays a jingle to the tune of London Bridge and when that happens, their head just turned into crickets and they die and this will appease the ancient Celtic gods, right, which is what you all feel like when you watch

this movie, and he that, Yeah, it really has the desired effect. I think I think so because I uh spoil I'm not spoiler, but I've never seen either of these movies when I was like, let's do these, um, but I knew about them and that song like by the end, like not only was it annoying, but I was genuinely like tensing up, like please don't write that again, Please don't do it. So I think it. I think it had. I think they accomplished what they were going

for with that song totally. Ramsey, what do you think about that song? Um? I mean it definitely makes you feel uncomfortable, especially if you have kids that like to

listen to Nursey rhymes repeat repeatedly all the time. And like Joe said, they was it was they were um strict on the budget, so they clebably couldn't afford to actually have someone right a jingle, so they looked into free licensing and hey, there's a you know, London bridges falling down and then you know that Tom Makins actually did the voice and they sped it up really yeah, and like that's how they got that song. They thought it was so hilarious and it hit the point like

of just driving that monitory like that. You know that just the seizure inducing yes I was looking for, and it is paired with strobing visuals that that this is not a good movie for somebody with photosensitive epilepsy now absolutely. Um. But before we dive into the movie, just jumping back a second, Joe, I just want to say that I think it's a great idea to do. I mean, they were onto something with doing an anthologized Halloween thing. Just you could pump him out every single October with a

new story. Um, a really good idea from John Carpenter and his producing and writing partner Debor Hill. Uh. I think some people feel like if this movie had not been called Halloween, it might have gotten a better shake.

Maybe I'm not too sure. What do you think? I would say Almost all of the negative reviews you read from the time mentioned the fact that Michael Myers is not in it, So I think that clearly shows it was you know, the reception of the film was colored by its lack of congruity with the movies that came before. People weren't quite getting why the third movie in the series was the beginning of a new anthology series. On the other hand, I would say that I don't know.

I mean, I don't know if anybody would have paid attention to this movie if it was not uh, if it was not a part of the Halloween series. But then agame out of an a title, anyone got a good alternative title, let's come up with one. Well, they wanted to call it just Season of the Witch. I

mean that that was the thing. Like they pushed, like, you know, after the first one, Carpenter won't want to make this in an anthology, but the studio was like, no, we greenlit the second Halloween, and they fought, and then they made a second sequel to Halloween with Michael Myers, and then the third one. They were like, no, we're not going to do it unless we do what we

want to do, which is the anthology. And they're like, okay, it still has to be called Halloween though, and they wanted to remove that to separate it because they knew people are going to want to see Michael Myers. And yeah, I mean that was the thing, is like, that's why they went to see the first one and then the second one, and then they kind of felt let down going into the third one. I think it would have been okay, just to call it season of which brought

to you by the people that brought you Halloween. I mean it would have still been it's a long title, Ramsey, you know in the in the commercials and stuff like that. I mean, I no, I agree, Season of the Witch. That's a good that's a good title. I'd say for all title. Maybe cyber Druids in the Mask of Doom that's pretty good. Do you get one, Annie? Uh No?

But I have thoughts, um so. I One of the things I find really interesting about both the movies we're talking about a day is I feel like they defined they went on to define the franchise, either for like failing or succeeding. Um. In this, like I didn't realize Michael Myers, these villains become so iconic, and like the first Halloween was an independent film that made seventy million dollars, and people, you know, we almost are so willing to

suspend her belief, like, of course he's gonna survive. He's gonna get blown up, but he's gonna live anyway. Um. And so like when I was watching this, even I knowing he's not gonna show up, was waiting for him to show up, just on how it's kind of shot, like there's this sort of slasher vibe, but a slasher never really arrives. Um. But it's just interesting to me that after this and they're like, oh god, Michael Myers has to be and everyone now, and people were like

maybe he's an and right. I like that theory that like, maybe that explains it. That that's the reason the third one exists, is they introduced androids and druids and perhaps that's why Michael Myers is what Michael Myers is. Well, have we ever seen him bleed? Is it yellow goop? Is it yellow slime? Hmm, that's a good question. I think we've seen him bleed and it looks like regular blood. You know how they did that? Yeah, it was frozen orange juice. So like when Dick Warlock, Yeah, Dick so

the Great stunt coordinator. Dick Warlock is one of the main druid androids. His real name is Dick Warlock. Uh. He played Michael Myers. Yeah, in Halloween to he was Mike, he was the Shape and so in this movie he's one of the main androids. He's the one who looks kind of like a blonde Paul McCartney, and he's often shown kind of like from the shoulders down, pulling somebody's

head off or squeezing somebody's eyes out. Ye yeah, yeah. Uh. And there's a scene where Tom Atkins kills this android by like plunging is fist into the androids guts and pulling it wires out and all of that goop in in the commentary track, Tommy Lee Wallace as they did that with frozen orange juice, so it was all over Dick Warlock's face in multiple scenes. Well that's good for a change. Usually it's just some nasty, like, you know, concoction that you don't want anywhere near your face. I

take a little frozen O j bath chuck. Do you know what does movie goop usually taste like? Oh? I don't know. I mean, I think usually it's just some sort of weird mixture that looks good on camera. But is you know, like part oatmeal, part doubt, tumacious Earth or something. I don't know. Uh. One thing I did want to mention is this this movie, regardless of what you think about it, And by the way, I really did enjoy it. Um it had one of the great

movie posters. Um I think it was even nominated but lost whatever the movie poster Body is that gives that award out, but it was nominated for Best Poster and and really holds up. It's one of the great posters from that Um. Maybe one of the the most beautiful, if not the most beautiful shots in the movie, which is Phoenix at dusk with those silhouetted children. Really really gorgeous shot, maybe the only gorgeous shot in the movie. I mean, I like to sematography, but it it wasn't

like beautiful or anything like that, you know. Uh, yeah, that that is a gorgeous shot, and it is. It is a gorgeous poster poster it it really it gets to the idea that they were trying to create something that was tied explicitly to the season of Halloween. Not just that happened to happen on on Halloween like the first movie did, but that it's all about you know, October and the autumn and or treating and everything well done. And they sold those masks for a while, um back

in the day. Those those are pretty cool, Like the Witchy one or the Ghoul or whatever goblin that is. That's a really good mask. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I love the idea that they took Halloween this holiday that we're all like, give me something scary, and they're like, let's make Halloween scary, like putting on your mask. Let's let's put in some capitalism is bad here and like sexual harassment, you know, black and nurses on the alcoholism apparent in the background had to do something. He had

to have alcohol involved. Yes, in every scene. He's drinking in every scene, and it's great. There are a lot of scenes that start where you don't realize he's got alcohol because he's holding it off camera, and then at some point he like lifts it into the frame. Yeah, I love weird. It was weird that they didn't pay that off or anything. It's just he's an alcoholic doctor and there was never any Usually when you introduced that, there's some arc the character goes through in regards to

the alcoholism. But I guess maybe he was just like, hey, what if I was a drunk? Yeah, but never acted drunk. Are the female character just he shows up and he's at the bar and she's like, they told me I here. It's like the saddest bar you can imagine. It looks great.

I want to go to that bar. Did you often get the sense that he was just having a few beers on set, and it's like he carried his beer from, you know, from off camera into He's like, you know, Tommy, I think I think my character would be having a beer in this scene. Okay, go with it. Anybody got a brown bag with a bottle of bog and perhaps that you'll share with the stranger who was then immediately announces his plan in front of the security cameras and

he killed. Yeah, that was pretty great. There there were a lot of great scenes. I want to share a piece of trivia about those masks in the movie that I came across, which is that, uh, the masks were made by a famous Halloween maskmaker, Don Post Studios, who apparently made the William Shatner mask that was spray painted white and used for Michael Myers in the first movie. Interesting, the great Don Post. Yeah, I think that was part

of it. Is like he retained the license for these masks and was able to sell them as a promotional type of thing, and that's kind of how they got him to do it um for this movie as well. You know, I have a few questions throughout that Joe could probably answer that I was just a little confused about and instead of rewinding over and over, I just figured I'd hold hold onto it. Um After near the beginning, after the slowest car smash into human in movie history,

it's like it's coming. Don't get up and move, don't move, Stay there, stay there, stay there. It's like that scene in Austin Powers with the exactly what it's like. Um, the agent, you know, I say agent. They look like agents from the matrix the um. They come in and uh, I can't tell what they do to that guy. It looks like they do they put his did they gouge his eyes out? It looks like they pull his nose up. Yeah,

it's a mask. Like what's going on there? It looks like a brutal, blunt frontal lobotomy, like he reaches in through his eye sockets and then breaks off the front of his skull. Okay, all right, good, very extreme. I got your nose. Who's got your nose? I literally have your nose? Uh. And then that guy self emilates, which is which is a pretty cool scene. Um. But as far as the uh, the how, I didn't know that the Halloween universe existed within this movie, and it was

a real delight. When you see the TV commercial come on referencing Michael Myers and the Halloween movie, that was kind of a nice little nod. I thought. I think they were trying really, really, really really hard to be like, this is not that it exists in the same universe, but it's not that thing, because see it's a movie here, Like that's what I I loved it they did that, but that's what I thought why I thought they did it.

You're right, talk a little bit about that. I mean, I think they were tied so much the Halloween I think for me, I mean, I enjoyed the movie. It don't get me wrong, it's fun to watch, but like, I think the biggest thing for me is they were tied so much to that, and they were trying to separate themselves from Michael Myers. And there's a lot of

production issues. As far as the original screenwriter, he was a sci fi screenwriter, and he kind of made this Evasion of a Body Snatchers type movie centered and like the caveat was, he had to center it around Halloween or that universe that they wanted to to to continue and then eventually left and wanted his name removed from the film because of his frustrations. So I think like a lot of that kind of hurt the film and

in regards it. And if they just you know, like Season of the witch they mentioned witchcraft like maybe once or twice towards the end, and you're like, where's the witches? Like, you know, that's kind of like if they had called it Season of the Druids, probably wouldn't have the same

type of ring to it. So, I mean it would it was, it was there's a lot of you know, I could feel like there's like a lot of things that were rushed and felt like they didn't take the time that they needed to and they were kind of constrained around that barrier of Halloween. I mean, it would have been a great film, I think, even better if they had removed that aspect of it. But I understood

what they were trying to do. Um with that. Joe was there behind the scenes frustration as the resident expert on Halloween dell Um. I mean, there was some I think there was some some of what Ramsey's talking about, like the disconnect between the expectation of of you know of how it would fit into the franchise versus what the creators wanted to do, but at least listening to like I've listened to Tommy Lee Wallace, the director's commentary track on the movie, and it makes it sound like

it was a lot of fun to make. I mean it sounds like it was a very loose, freewheeling production process where everybody was just kind of like throwing ideas out there and having a good time. Well, that's great, and to guess Tom Atkins was drunk the whole time. My favorite when he's on the phone and six sitting on that behind his head, he moves and then you

see it. I didn't notice that part was that early on he's on a pay phone with his with his ex wife and he's like explaining why he can't pick the kids up, and then he finally moves and and reveals there's a six pack of Miller. I think that was behind his head. At hotel was like, I gotta do doctor ship. You know, a bunch of doctors talking. Well, she did make that one reference. She was said something about a drunk doctor. Yeah, I mean it seems to

be that he was. I like, I didn't even realize that was a thing, but I picked up on it pretty quick. So um, I also love the fully Irish community in northern California. You know, I get they came in through Ellis Island and then said let's travel you know, miles west and settle on the on the seaside north of San Francisco. That was extremely strange. Think like any and I actually watched this movie together a couple of nights ago, um, because I just wanted to experience it

with her for the first time. And I think we said, like the first the movie we really wanted to see is how they got a piece of Stonehenge? Yea, why did they get it? How did they get it there? I want the heist movie where they stole that. It's gigantic rogue one version. It's the size of a shipping container.

And you see there's a little uh can hint about it at the beginning where a gas station attendant is watching TV and there's a news story about how one of the stones from Stonehenge has been stolen in the middle of the night and nobody knows where it went. And then you see it later and of course Dan o'herla he is turning it into microchips, like cyber Druid magic microchips to melt people's heads that don't seem very well attached to these masks, like they kind of fall off.

It looks like very easily removed. The final process, the final processing. You can't go in there. It's a great band name by the way. Processing. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. I kept trying to I kept questioning the actual plan here because they sold all these masks and I've seen they want everybody dad, mostly children. But then he's got his best salesman and he kills his like whole family, and I'm like, that's that's that's bullshit, man, I'll show

you he's been out hawking your goods. That guy was great. Yeah, he was so like pitch perfect. Yeah. I think that's horror plot pressures. I mean there's always this need when you're making especially kind of a lower level horror movie, to you know, you get into the second act, You're like, I really need to be killing some people. So you've got to come up with some excuses to have characters die.

Like one of the examples is do you remember the plot with the lab technician the lady who's looking into the car parts or the parts of the android to her. Yeah, he keeps that. Tom Atkins keeps calling her on the phone. And then eventually she gets murdered out of nowhere with a drill, and it's like, why did that happen? Well, they just did that in the reshoot. They added that scene on where she gets murdered because they were like, not enough murders in the movie. We gotta we gotta

fill this out a bit. Yeah, and like, what's how about a driller killer? Yeah? Why not androids use a drill to kill her? Uh. The other thing we can't look past two is the great Stacy Nelkin as Ellie and um the you know, the wonderful scene in the hotel room where they just started making out out of nowhere. There's no hint sexuality or tension or anything, and it's just on all of a sudden between like her and

a guy who is old enough to be her father. Yeah, she does like, yeah, I was outraged at this, and yeah she's just like, oh, how old do you think I am? I old enough? And well, after they've had sex, he decides to check out. It's actually worse than out of nowhere, because I guess we actually didn't explain what was going on in the plot with the protagonists, which is Tom Atkins and Stacy Nelkin. Uh. He's a doctor. He becomes aware of this because somebody arrives at his

hospital and gets killed by druid Android. And then she arrives to talk to him because she says, oh, because the guy was her father. So she is trying to investigate what happened to her father, like why did her father get killed by druid Android. So they end up going to this town to like solve the mystery, and that's where they get it on and it's it makes no sense at all. Yeah, he's like a drunk doctor

and he's like, but I also dabbling private investigation. Yeah, and her father, by the way, I owned a small toy store. I'm very intrigued by this like anti capitalist message and here, uh, I mean it's really in his po You've got the anti capitalists, You've got people like trying to put on masks and a bunch of stuff. It's pretty timely to to where we are now. I mean, yeah, well except in this world the mask Elon Musk. Elon

Musk is a novelty gag make and maskmaker. Like he's one of the richest men in the country with his his uh fake vomit and whoopee cushion fortune. It's like, really, that guy is the richest, Like that's who's making all the money in two or whatever. Well, I do think it's interesting that he's a tech tycoon and it is set in northern California. Santa Mira. The little town that it's in is supposed to be I don't know, somewhere

outside of San Francisco. It actually San Francisco. It's in reality they shot it in a town called Lolita or Lolita it's spelled like Lolita but with an E, and it's uh somewhere in Humboldt County. I think the closest city of any size is Eureka, and I think that's where they filmed Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Really love that movie so much. Yeah, that's up in like Birds Alfred Hitchcock's Birds Zone to sort of that north of

San Francisco, or maybe that was south, but all up there. Um. Another one of my favorite funny, great scenes is that I just classify as no one's ever done this before at all is when she gets out of the shower with this I guess too small of a towel and and with a fully wet body, just pulls the nasty top comforter off the motel bed that no one ever uses and just wraps herself in it. I guess she's freezing cold. It was weird. I saw that, and I was like, no one has ever done that? And who

who has ever done that? Gotten out of the shower and been like, oh, let me wrap up in this top top comforter. Yeah. I mean the characters make a lot of choices where I was like, huh, Like when name first arrived at the hotel and the Irish owners like that to be a show your room, and he runs off like Tom Atkins runs off without like questioning anything immediately, just like investigating behind his desk. Like it's

just they're an interesting team. Well. The other weird thing too, was like there they just decide to spend the night. Remember they didn't even have Luggae journeything. Yeah, but it has a nighty and lingerie. Where did that come from? Yeah? And she's like it would be weird if we didn't stay the night. I'm like I guess so many questions, you guys. Yeah, I mean this whole town in general, Like you come in and there's surveillance cameras and there's a curfew at six pm. And I do love that.

Connal Cochrane apparently has cracked androids and is using it for this purpose, like to kill the children. Yeah. Yeah, he's figured out, like how does steal stone ende druid killing spell and microchips and androids and it's just keeping that to himself. And how to conjure snakes and bugs from from thin air? Where did they come from? No one knows. Joe, do you have an answer for that? No, I mean it's just Stonehenge, magic man, It's all Stonehenge.

It was creepy though we didn't say this actually, but so or maybe we did anyway. Conal Cochrane, the evil warlock entrepreneur whatever, the guy who makes the masks and the androids, is played right, Yes he is. He is son of Cochrane Um. He is played by Dan O'Hurley. He who is the old Man from RoboCop, a guy in robo Cop who is like Ronnie Cox's boss who when when ed two oh nine shoots that guy until he is liquid. He says, very disappointed at you, dick. Oh,

that's fantastic. Another one of my favorite lines is when they take the tour um with the family of the top salesman or whatever, and then they see the dad's car sort of covered up and they get back to the hotel. And I had to rewind this a couple of times to see if he said what I thought he said, But he said, I think it's time for the Marines. I think it's time to send in the Marines. And then he walks it back to police. I was like, did he say police? And I was like, no, he

said Marines. It's an untentioned fact. He's also a marine colonel. Oh is it really no? Man? God, you just made my day for like half a second. You know, there could be that that that actor could have had a whole plot in his mind. We don't know. Yeah, that's true his backstory. Who were we to say? But with the snakes though, I mean, this movie isn't super scary, it's a lot of fun to watch, but that, uh, the scene in the fake living room when they kill

off the family was pretty chilling. And those snakes and bugs and combined with the the audio of that goddamn song and the lights. Like that was kind of the one part of the movie where I was like, like make this stop. Yeah. Um, Like I said, I feel like this is very eighties conspiracy thriller vibe more than horror slasher. But that was the one part where I was like that song it legitimately unsettled me. By the end, I was like, there were TV screens everywhere. You can't

escape this. This song is gonna kill me, I was. I told Ramsey, I'm like, I'm afraid, I'm gonna wake up in the middle of night and I'm just gonna have that song and that's the end. Um. I also had the scene where the others toy store owner where her face like it's blown out by all. That was pretty. That was cruesome. I don't know if it was scary,

but that was a good kill In these Yeah, excellent. Well, Tommy Lee Wall says, you know, when he's trying to explain what he was going for in the movie, he keeps saying, you know, I think the thing that's really the scariest of all is Big Brother and corporate bad guys. And he keeps talking about how these are the themes he was trying to bring out in the movie. It's the scarier than any monster is the corporation that's watching you with cameras and everything, and that is throughout the

movie is constantly cameras zooming in on people. And uh, I don't know how much that would come through as the real theme of it. I did, Did you guys pick up on that? Yeah? I did, and he was all over it. Yeah, absolutely I was. But I don't know. I did a terrible thing and researched it before I watched it, So I don't know if I would have if I hadn't known that was kind of a vibe of like capitalism, cameras everywhere watching you. I'm not sure,

but I did going in with that mindset. I absolutely did. This movie was a lot of things, you know. It was that it had the sort of uh Wickerman CULTI vibe because of the town. It was also androids um and had like the sci fi bent it was. It was a mix a lot of things mixed in a big Halloween trick or treating bag. Yes, I mean, you look at like John Carpenter's work in general. I mean, you know, with Escape from New York before this and all the other movies he did he has has done.

I mean it has that that fear of corporations and taking over and totalitary police and that type of stuff. So I could easily see that when when you're watching this one, you can feel that in there as well. Did they did he in Debor Hill? Uh? They didn't write it, did they? Or did they? Oh? No, no, you said the other guy wrote it. Carpenter, he took some he did as well. He and um did pass. He did a pass on the script. Yep. Yeah. And then they brought in a third writer to kind of

horrify it up a bit. And I think that's where the sci fi writer was like that, it's it's out of my wheelhouse now, guys, and I don't want to be a part of this anymore. It has the feel of something that eight people wrote. It does it does? Another one of my favorite parts, funny parts was on the elevator when the robot you know, basically goes chew, looks back and goes convincing a and I'm like, no,

not at all convincing. That was the most canned fake sneeze Robotic android sneeze I've ever heard in my life. Actually I remember. I mean, there's some movies that people can warn you about and tell you what it's like and you just can't know until you watch it. Yeah, you gotta see it. And this was one and I that scene, I was like, what is happening here? We'll chuck since you brought up convincing. My favorite sequence was when Tom Atkins throws the mask onto the Cayes from

his waist because his intertied. Yes, I mean, that's impressive, I say, I say. My theory is he's been to a lot of like tailgating events. He clearly drinks a lot, and he knows how to play some cord all. He knows how to play these types of games he's been. Maybe that's the payoff. We just never really appreciated it. To the County fair Man, he's gonna be walking out with like the giant bear. Yes, it's amazing. That took him like fifty takes to to accomplish. That was one

of my favorite shots in the movie. It was It was just fantastic. It looks like the way it looks like they shot it with the mask on and falling off and just ran it in reverse or something, because it just kind of went the director threw it on. It's like how hard can this be? And he got it the first time. Then they went to shoot it and like yeah they did like fifty times after that. Yeah, oh day, well spent. I say I have here. The mask throw over camera is the best thing in the

whole movie. I mean it actually, I think is emblematic of what's so good about the movie, which is it's all texture. I mean, all the things that I love about Halloween three are not really the contents of the plot. I mean it is sort of pleasingly zaney and and disjointed, and in a way that's fun. But what really works about the movie is the look and feel of it. It's like it's almost like, you know, a video game that feels good to play. It's a movie that feels

good to watch. And I think a lot of that, like I already said, is the sound. It's that texture of the U of the John Carpenter score, and it's the Dean Cundy look with those great you know, a really good use of the anamorphic wide screen, filling the whole shot with interesting stuff. A lot of those great still shots of environments and and all that, and and

the fact that, I mean it's so texture driven. The movie is almost like rubbing a fur, you know, it's except it's a fur that's kind of like got orange juice goop in it. Or it's like a it's no, it's rubbing a mustache. It's rubbing Tom Atkins Ginger Burt Reynolds mustache. But I was like, is this real? Is this a fake must Right? It's dipped in vodka. Another couple of funny things. Uh, they have cameras like in

every inch of this town. Yet somehow the doctor is able to sneak into the main control room and like reach his little hand up and start just typing a bunch of buttons. When they're walking, they have that little like I want to know, the rack of masks and they're trying across. It turned into a three Stooges episode.

And then on the I don't know how he knew how to do all that or what effect dumping those things out would have, but it it had the exact right effect, such that Cochrane gives him a little golf clap like, well done, sir, you have foiled me alas my empire ruined so funny. Yes, uh, and then you know the end that this movie might break the record for the most times a dead body comes back to life. Uh, you know, great horror trope. But Ellie, Ellie comes back

to life. I think two or three times, maybe four including the hand I mean, you got to include all those. Yeah, that's true. So question I want to go around, actually, was she a robot the whole time? Or was she transformed into or replaced by a robot at some point? They don't you blade runner me pal. I think she was replaced. That's what she was doing on that operating table.

That's what I think. Okay, I think so too. But it would be an interesting twist if, like the daughter of this independent toy store, it was taken and oh, it would be like the Wickerman, Like she's the Rowan Morrison that draws the police inspector to the town. She was just sent out as a cyborg to bring tom Atkins there, Except it wouldn't make sense because they don't.

They don't burn him. He defeats them all. So I don't know, Well, we don't know, do it, Because it ends like there's still possibly one commercial that might play. I mean, it does have a dark ending. He you know it's playing out on TV. He gets on the phone. I guess with the CEO of television. He just speed dials it. It's like you run television, right, sure, get this commercial offensively? All right? Like it was that easy? Yeah, well, so many things in this movie he seemed to accomplish

that he should not have been able to accomplish. Whether it's a mask on the camera, I was like, how does he know what to type on this odd keyboard thing? He figured that out. Now he's got the number for whoever he needs to talk to you and convinces them to take off one two runs to the commercials, but maybe not the third. Just like I wasn't expecting that ending. I will say that I didn't know I was gonna end there. Yeah, I mean it's dark. The idea, I guess.

The notion is that one of those commercials ran and whatever kids were watching that turn into snakeheads. Yeah. Well, and that's an interesting thing too, is that, you know, that's of the cardinalals of hard movies, as you don't kill children, And this movie was like, man, let millions and millions of children are just crickets now, yeah, I

think that's a good choice. In his review, Vincent Canby of The New York Times, I Think said that the movie was it simultaneously managed to be anti children, anti capitalism, anti television, and anti Irish. Yeah there's good old fashioned anti Irish movies. Yeah. Well, I also enjoyed, like Ramsey pointed out, you know stone Innges in England. I like how it was Irish, you know, like I don't know they went that way. That's a very good point, Ramsey. Why why is the stone hinge and Irish thing? I

have no idea? Man payback? They were mad at the England take their stone nge to use it for killing people for reasons unknown. It's like the American American Children. Yeah, do it in California, right, Yeah, the Simpsons episode with the Lemon tree, you know, like England as Shelbyville. Oh yes, yes, you gotta have your rival rival country town. Whatever. Oh I love it. Uh? Can we move on to Dream Warriors? Are we ready? I'm ready? All right? So, so Nightmare

on Elm Street three. Dream Warriors a movie that I also I don't think saw, although there were parts of it where I was like, wait a minute, have I seen this definitely like young Patricia Arquette definitely rang A bell Um the only good actor in the movie, which is I always wonder what happens like literally on set where you have like one really good actor and surrounded by a bunch of buffoons, Like, what is going on

in Patricia Arquette said is. I mean, I know she was young and it was kind of a first movie, but she's good in this and and went on to be a really great actor, I think. But um, Laurence Fish, Laurence fishb oh, yeah, yeah, of course. And I feel like Robert England. Maybe I don't know if he's a good actor, but he's good at that. He's good away he does. You're also bringing back John Saxon as well, so I mean, who's he is that Nancy's dad? That's Nancy's dad. Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of nice to see

him pop up and Nancy, God bless her. What's her name? Heather Langon Camp? Yeah, the epitome of likable on screen but not good at acting, not good at acting at all, but just somehow perfect for this. Still. Yeah, it's sort of a magic trick. I think I love that she showed up I again, I hadn't seen this Ramsey, and I watched this last night. Um, it's my first time.

I love that she showed up and she was sort of like, you know, it doesn't really make sense that she's this hot shot nightmare expert, um, but I like that she did. And she was like, you know what, we're gonna be warriors and we're gonna fight this guy in audreams get it, Nancy. It's his final girl in the first one, and she's you know, come back, she

didn't go away. I liked it. One thing I really love about all the nightmare movies that I've seen, which isn't that many, is uh, just the the dreamscapes always are so cool looking like uh, and they don't hold up in terms of like modern filmmaking, I guess, but they still have a great, like really creepy appeal and and the um, I just think it was a brilliant concept to have, uh, the the Devil be in your

sleep because every movie it's like that. It's a really stressful thing to be fighting sleep like that, and you know, as soon as one of these kids goes asleep, all hell is going to break loose. And it just I don't know, it just holds up. It was a pretty brilliant concept from the beginning, I think absolutely. And I think that like there's that creepy thing too of it. Never really there's usually not a scene where like, oh,

they're asleep. It's like, oh, okay, now there's no scene where like their eyes closed and yours there asleep and they keep guessing, which is a little you know, they go back to it over and over, but it works every time. Somehow, it does. I would say it also

it works at a symbolic level. I mean not to get too cheesy or reading too much into Nightmare on elm Street movies, but I think it's significant in these movies that the adults and the institutions are always telling the young people to just go back to sleep, don't worry about it, don't think about it, just shut your eyes and lay down. And it's the kids who are trying to remain alert and remain aware. Something seemed kind

of politically significant about that. Yeah, I was gonna say, like it is definitely a great movie of its time. I mean, if you look at everything else that was happening and when movies were coming out, I mean you had Heathers. You had all the John Hughes movies and all these other things where there's all a lot of teen angst and you know, teen suicide was was you know, sorry to use this, but like a buzz as far as trying to prevent suicide within teens, and you know,

that was like the focus of that. So they they filmmakers looked at what was going on and the movies that are coming out, and it's like, how can we capitalize on this and make an eighties movie where we can bring teenagers and and film you know, people that just love that, love what we're doing here. And then you know that's kind of how they focus this movie, you know, and you know it was their version of the Breakfast Club in a way, and so to speak.

So yeah, I think it's interesting too, like if you if you go deep and you look in horror movies, and I know we've talked about how they represent like our fears of society, but also like this whole concept of um, why didn't you believe somebody? Um? And I think a lot of times in horror movies, women aren't believed, are marginalized, people aren't believed, And in this movie, you have like the aspect of mental illness that they've all been by Freddie has pinned them all into this mental

institution where people just don't believe them. And that's terrifying that you could be like, no, there, there really is somebody trying to kill me and nobody believes you. Nobody really cares. I totally agree. Uh, speaking of the dreamscapes, and another thing I love about the Nightmare movies is just how fucked up they are. I mean they really go for for mainstream movie making. These movies go to places that you only see usually in like you know,

super b horror movies. Um, really disturbing imagery, whether it's the the vain poor little Joey, you know when he finally gets to make out with the nurse who was clearly like a playboy playmate and disguise and their their tongues yatch onto each other and then he's tied up with the tongues or the scene with the fucking needle fingers in those uh what what is that in her arm? Those little mouths. Oh my god, it's just so funked

up for mainstream movie making. Yeah, Roger Eiebert actually wanted to, like he with with his review, he said this movie should be rated X. Like he was like, this is so fucked up, Like I don't know how they could give this rated R. Like he was just really adamant, is like this is one of the most scariest things

and teenagers gonna watch it. And I actually saw this in the theater when it came out a friend of mine because I was like around ten years old or so, and we snuck in because like I had seen one and two and I was like, I was already obsessed by, like with horror films, and I like snuck in and it freaking scared the ship. I mean, and you know, but yeah, I mean it's it's but yeah, it's it's. It's freaking frightening. All the stuff that came up with

and you know, my favorite kill. One of them was the puppetry, the puppet thing, like such a such a freaking horrible scene. I mean, but it's and like the special effects though, I mean this they threw so money. All the budget basically went to the special effects, and there was a lot of it was all practical, um except for like the animatronic or the stop motion uh

Ray Harry Housing type thing. With a skeleton. Yeah, that scene. Yeah, but they just threw so much money at the special effects and they ran out clearly at a certain point. I like the Jason and the Argonaut style stop motion, but it looked like they shot it in front of a bed sheet, like projecting the movie. But they probably did actually both. Just like we were when we were watching The Last Night, I was like, why did they

dig a sixty six foot grave for like bones? Like they could have just dug it all have saved them hours of digging a hole. It's definitely true. Been there, Where would the tension be with that racy? Yeah, that's very true. Joe. What's your history here with this movie? Have you? Are you a big Nightmare fan or uh? You know, I've seen all the Nightmare movies as a general horror fan. It's never in like my Key franchise.

Uh I. I remember thinking this was one of the better ones in the series and going back on it now, Um, yeah, it has its ups and downs, but I really do love a lot. I mean, you're kind of knocking some of the sets and the effects, but I have great affection for the way this movie looks, the sets and the effects. I think are are a lot of what gives it its charm. I love the the the the Freddie snakehead puppet, and I mean even some of the grossest parts of Ramsey were mentioning the part with the

vein puppet. You know, where the arteries are pulled out and there the strings. I mean, that's just one of the grossest images I've ever seen, but it is haunting. It's it's really quite astounding with what they accomplished there.

And one of the things that I think is interesting is charting the evolution of Freddie along the course of the series, because in the first movie there are a couple of little moments where Freddie has some kind of fun or personality, but mostly he's just this nasty, uh frightening, obscure figure of darkness. And that's mostly true through the second one as well. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on in the second one. That's a whole other

can of worms. But by the third movie, Freddie is starting to settle into what he would become for the rest of the series, which is more of a comedian like he's starting to have more personality to make jokes, to kind of mug for the camera and I think that with a character like Freddie, that kind of thing is sort of inevitable as the series progresses, because I don't know, I mean, you see, like how what diminishing returns through are with Michael Myers in the later Halloween movies,

whereas the killer who doesn't talk and just continues to walk around stabbing people in movies that are basically the same but worse over and over was Freddie. They change things by making him a comedian, and I don't know what else you could have really done with him. Yeah, I mean he he scared me when I was younger because for those reasons he ran at people. Uh. And you know, I think we were sort of conditioned to Michael Myers and Jason Vorhees stalking very slowly, not speaking.

Freddie's running like a crazy person. Uh. They're always so creative with what he can do with his like the knives turning into different things like needles. Uh. He's he really It's it's sort of still really upsetting, and especially now that I have a daughter, when he's always calling girls the B word. Um, it's like, yeah, it really doesn't sit well with me to like hear him screaming that at these like high school girls. It's really effective

and how disturbing it is. I think, yeah, I brought I think I brought it up last year when we we did one of these round tables. Like I saw Robert England do a talk at Dragon Con and he he um said that he would go into this one um as everything like his kill lines were mainly improv like you know, are you ready for prime time bitch?

Like that was all improv um in there. But he would do a straight one where he would just kill them and talk like no talking, no puns, nothing like that, and then he's like, hey, let me try this, and then he would do his pun and they love that and they're like, Okay, how can we expand this character? And that's why you saw like the introduction of his back story. They started to fluff it out a little bit and then you know, how can we connect people?

And I think like for me, Freddie was always he stood out differently, um because I had nightmares as a kid, so that like I could connect to that, Like I not necessarily had nightmares about Freddy Krueger, but I had things that haunted me in my dreams. So you were seeing these movies at ten years old. Well you know, I mean no like with that. My my my folks were just like you know whatever, you know, we're gonna watch whatever you want to watch. And they tried to

hide something. Well they were interested into it. To my parents, like they didn't watch Night Rare elm Street, but they watched you know. I remember sneaking into my parents room when they were watching Jaws, like I hit underneath like a couch or something or to just to watch it.

It was just that the fascination so I and I was afraid to go in the water anyway, but like um, but anyway, like I was saying, it was like, you know, I was always afraid of Freddy, but like Robert England was like he would add those puns and then him being able to talk to his victims and have that interaction was different and not something that we we saw and slasher flicks um like your Michael Myers and you know even like Texas chainsaw masker and stuff like that

outside of you know that you know with leather face and stuff. Yeah. The other thing that's so scary about Freddie is that uh and it ties back into the he comes in your dreams is um, that means there is no safe space, like you can be the cops can get you and like put you in a jail cell and and it surrounds you with cops with guns, but it doesn't matter, like there is no safe space, uh,

because you're eventually gonna fall asleep. And that this is really just sort of been gives the whole franchise an unsettling feeling. I think. Yeah. Yeah, when they like sedated uh Patrici Arquette's character, I was like outrage, Like she can't. She don't want to be sedated. They're like no, no, no, we're gonna sitate her and like just taking away that

agency and putting her in like very dangerous, frightening situation. Yeah, no good, even though when she finally got her Jim Cotta, I love that scene where they all have their superpowers and who's the one Roland when Roland is just just like I could bend these chair legs and then we'll stop doing that. Stop doing that. There's a wizard. I love the Wizard. They apparently there's a video game and like you can choose what superpower you want to fight

Freddy in your dreams, So I take that. I'm into it. Where is the have it written down here? Um? Oh? Shoot? I had the best line in the movie from Roland when he calls him up, Oh here it is here. It is, yo, Freddy, where you had that you burnt face pussy cuss? Great, It's time to stop guessing and start messing. You know. Freddy's like up to the antie with these puns. You've gotta you've gotta bring it. Yeah,

he was pretty great when he just busts through that wall. Wait, did y'all get the meme I made and sent you the other day when I found out that the director Chuck Russell, who made this movie also made Jim Carrey's The Mask. Yeah. Yeah, And as soon as I found as I found that out, I was like, whoa the similarities. I mean, Jim Carrey as The Mask is very Freddy Krueger in a way. He's like a you know, a non murdering Freddy Krueger. Now I was thinking, because he's

all burned, you know, smoking. Yeah, for me, like you when you bring up Chuck Russell, like a lot of these early horror movies, is like you have John Silles that wrote like Piranha and you have other other filmmakers like Frank dare Bond was the writer on this and they obviously didn't like did Yeah, and you got Angelo Um, sorry if I mispronounced this battletle Min Minty who did like the the score for Twin Peaks and a lot

of David Lynch films. I mean these were people getting their start and so they they would look at they would go into a production and be like, who's hot right now? Who do we like, who do we think can make a good movie? And then for our budget, and they basically brought them all together and like a lot of the you know, the puns and developing Freddie as a as a character came from these talented filmmakers and where they you know, where they got their start from.

I mean pulling no punches, you know for this. Yeah, I mean this movie did really well. It kind of breathe new life into the franchise after I think Nightmare two was I think a bit of a disappointment. Uh. And then Dream War Years came back in seven with that great metal soundtrack and it it had all the elements you know, it was funny, it was really gruesome and fucked up. Uh, some some good cheesy acting, good soundtrack. It really had all the pieces. Yeah, this was a

make or break movie for for New Line. I mean they just threw everything they had at this just to see if they could get it to work, and and it obviously did. I mean this, and then um, a couple of years later they did uh Teenage Mustan Ninja Turtles, which was also an independent film that made over two million UM with a shoestring budget as well. So I mean they were really talented um at the beginning to getting these things going and making them profitable for independent filmmakers. Yeah.

Theirline is called The House that Freddie Built, UM. And I do think the similarities between uh, these two movies, it's interesting because they are they were movies that decided where these franchises would go. If Freddie became kind of what Freddie is in this one, UM and having these iconic villains that people just go back for more and more. But Freddie is different and that he does talk and he does make puns, and um, he moves quickly and

he's in your dreams. Uh. I think it's interesting to compare also, like we've got this sort of mediocre doctor and both of them as like, is it very memorable? Sorry? Treg wess On. What I know him from is the great Brian to Palmer film Body Double, but he's he's quite an overactor. He has one of the better lines in the movie when he refuses to give them the drug to keep them from dreaming, and he says dream deprivation is a serious thing, and I'm like, is it

to be fair? I think maybe that's not known like it could there could be bad medical effects to not dreaming. I think maybe we don't fully understand that. I want to be fair to this film, alright, Joe. I also like how he has like a serious pivot where he goes from like you're you're not making sense, Nancy, to oh my god, Nancy, I care about you. Let me talk to your dad. I can convince him to do this thing that you couldn't do, like I was. It was a very there's some whiplash for me in that

in that ark for him. And then also like you know, the whole nun thing and now there's like a religious element to Freddy and like a crucifix, Like I get why they did it, but it was kind of weird. I feel like Freddy is above religion. Yeah, I mean it implies he's a demon if holy water works on him, right right? Yeah, well, I mean that's the whole thing is like, what is it? He's a rape like thou hundred people. I don't know, interesting twist Freddy Krueger did not. Yeah, yeah,

I think so. And she was a great one of the great creepy nuns. You gotta have a great creepy dune. That's yeah. I mean that was kind of cool. Uh. And you know Nancy coming back to save the day as as a sort of a class c Ripley or Sarah connor Um Class D. But she kind of played that role. But you know, if you're a fan of the franchise to see her and her dad come back. And I guess her dad is he was a cop in the first one and he's been downgraded to security guard. Right. Well,

he's also an alcoholic. I suppose he's at the bar that opened up in that great mullet head playing pool. Tell me you didn't notice that guy right away, just focusing, just squared up in the frame like immediately, and they're like, is he gonna say action? Is he gonna say action? Both of these movies have great depressing wood panel bars. I thought it was the same bar. Yeah, I have those kind of bars. That these two movies exist in

the same universe. Oh and then I mean there's Freddie versus Jason, So I guess night Mare on Elm Street and Friday. I haven't seen any of those later movies, you know. I mean, I don't know if remember last year when we did round Tables. My horror stuff was fairly limited because I just I was sort of into it, but not really. And I never had like the good because I was a little church boy. I never had a friend like Ramsey who was like, you've got to see this stuff, man crazy, So no one was like

feeding me these movies. So I saw the big, big ones, but like, I don't think I saw Passed Friday three even let us be your bad friend, yes please, I pitched. I pitched that you should have a segment where we do bad movies. Fun bad movies come Joe three to one on. Oh well, I mean there are a lot of So I actually prefer watching the later movies in the Friday the Thirteenth series. Obviously, if if you're looking

for one that's actually a good movie. I think the first one is the best, but but later in the series they get very bad but very fun and just like the most watchable kind of bad slasher movie is like the whole run of five through eight is just glorious. When is Crispin Glover dancing? Which one is that one? Oh? That's four? Actually four is relord to Yeah, Crispin Glover does this amazing was sued by the City of New York because Yeah, I love that they put it into

the promotion When Jason takes Manhattan. Yeah, that's a movie check. Jason takes Manhattan and there's a scene where he's in front of a T T I Friday's and next yeah, we'll get the same group together next year for a round table and maybe we'll just like do the best bad Friday movies. Oh man, I will say to bring it back to Nightmare on Elm Street. There's a big difference between Jason and Freddie, which is that Jason murders people, but he does not come off as a bad person.

He comes off as kind of a force of nature or almost like a machine without a mind that's just sort of making the murders happen. Freddy Krueger comes off as a bad person, and that's that's a big difference.

He comes off as aggressive and evil. That's that's a good point because we were talking about this last night where I'm like, you know, in the in the new one, the twist is he actually did do the thing that they burned him for, but in this like originally he didn't do it, but was burned killed empathy for him, yeah, yeah, but because he does take such seeming pleasure out of killing instead of I don't know, being more of a

force of ature, just like this is vengeance. Yeah, but it's like vengeance, but like vengeance with super relish on these children who didn't have anything to do with it. Um, and I it's been so long since I've seen the following movies, Like, does he's just start killing people who aren't connected to what happens in the first one? Well, so sorry, guys. He so you see the scene where he's like grabs the souls, like he takes his shirt off and you see all the faces on his chest.

So basically he's collecting the souls of all the children. And so where the series goes after this is, you know, Nancy dies, and um, you know, protect character. She's now the hero that we follow. And then the next movie, they basically within the first five minutes kill off all the all the Elm Street kids, which are the kids

whose parents killed Freddy Krueger. And in that process she transfers her knowledge and power to another Alice, to another person, and then you follow her for another couple of the movies, and then I think they just run out of material. And basically I don't I think she survives. I mean, I don't know. I don't know the movies that well, but like, so it follows her so once that in the one after this, No, she did not, she was

one and done. Um and she dies immediately. Yeah, so her her replacement dies immediately along with Kincaid and then Joey Um. They you know, like Kincaid's if you want to go see my movie, don't go any grab popcorn because I die. In the first five minutes. A dog comes named Jason and pisces on Freddie's skeleton and it comes back to life and kills Kincaid. Is that true?

Like how to bring him back? And basically a dog watches his leg and pisces on it, and like the flesh comes back onto the bones and comes back and kills Kincaid and then you know, then they go kills Joey and then you know, you know. Yeah, so that's where the progression goes, um with with the how they're able to to continue the kills. And then the next two, like the next four and five five, you start to

see the wane of of the special effects. But like they pushed that special effects into the fourth one, So it's worth of the watch because it's all practicals not digital and c g I and stuff like that, which I think kind of killed the series as far as an enjoyability and stuff like that. Um, just for me, you know, just growing up. We have to talk about Dockin Yeah yeah, uh, I mean the record with platinum

that that song went platinum? I mean did it really? Yeah? Like, does anybody want to do a do a little chorus? I think we'd all have to do it together, wouldn't we? Oh no, no no no no no no no no, we're the dream. Wait are we going to get ni cheese? For? That? Is the cant that out? And and Freddy comes It's like bloody Mary for Freddy. Now you guys are haunted I didn't do it, so I'm good. Well, who we need to get in here is Joey because apparently he

has super voice and is that his superpower? He yells no, and that's what does it. He's like a little anti climactic. Yeah, it's really like banshee. Yeah. Well, I feel like the thing was, you know, all all there, the reasons why they were in the mental institution became their superpowers, which was sort of an interesting message. Yeah, I think so he was too traumatized to speak, and so at the and he finds his voice, it's loud enough to scare

Freddy away. Yeah, I get it. Annie. Let me explain it more to you, Chuck, how you should have interpreted this film. It's excellent film, but we can't. We can't not mention fairy Dad at the end. It's amazing. Nancy's like immediately buys it. I would I was, you know, this is obviously Freddy. But she's like, oh, Dad is passing over. I've loved you always, and then it's it's

ready but her dad is actually dead. Yeah, So I think before we go, guys, if you've got another like ten minutes, maybe we can each mention one other thing that we've watched this Halloween that maybe you've never seen before. If that has happened. Um, I'll go first. While you're thinking, I've watched a couple of movies last week. Watch one called Let's Scare Jessica to Death, which is this very kind of cult classic from the early seventies that is

really really pretty good. Um. I recommended it's streaming on Criterion app if you've got that, but very much a cult classic, not a huge movie, very creepy and and in the perfect sort of early seventies horror way. And then last night, after watching Dream Warriors, I watched the remake of Maniac with Elijah Wood. Have you guys seen that movie? Yeah, yeah, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Did not like it. I mean it was, it was effective, but it was really disturbing in like not good ways,

not like, oh but that was good. It was disturbing. And how they treated mental illness disturbing and how they you know, it's the first person perspective. Uh, and the in the scenes where he's stalking these women from the first person was really fucking disturbing. Uh. Some of the

grossest should have seen. It was just I don't know, it might be some people's cup of tea, but I was very turned off, Like I had this face, you know, like throughout the entire movie, my face was just twisted and screwed up because I was like, why, why so do not recommend? Messed me up? Like I Yeah, I had the same feeling like I will never watch that movie again. Um yeah, yeah, because the original, like it is also messed up, but it wasn't it doesn't go

that far. Yeah, it was pretty pretty bad. I mean not bad, as it was well made and I see what they were doing, but just not not for me. Joe, have you seen anything new this October? I was trying to think of you've been diving into the classics. I've been watching a lot of the classics in terms of something I saw that was new, that was kind of

bad and good in an interesting way. It's an early two thousands movie came out, maybe like two thousand three or four called Cursed or Cursed that I think was directed by Wes Craven since we're on Craven right now, written by Kevin Williamson, the guy did Scream and Dawson's Creek and I know what you did last summer, and uh it is. I can't say it's a good movie. It is definitely bad, but it's it's an imminently watchable bad movie. I would say I was never once board though.

It really does not make any sense. And for people who are interested in how movies get made, it's a notorious case of studio interference, studio creative interference that just kept coming in and requiring rewrites and reshoots. I think they made the movie basically three times, and what you ended up with is not a coherent product at all, but is also very interesting and entertaining. All right, cursed Annie, what about you? Well? First, I want to give one

last nightmare in elm Street. Fact that I owe Ramsey for is that Robert England was roommates with s Mark Campbell and helped him get Star Wars. Yes, uh, okay, that's a st worry. I want to see um for new Mark and Bob like what roommates Like Mark Campbell is sleeping on his couch or something and he's like, I got this audition. I don't know what if I want to do it or not. I'm in my soap propers is some space movies like no, do it? Go do it? Do it? Are you ready for prime time

with you? Oh? God? I want Freddie Star Wars puns so badly. Um. I recently watched The Other Lamb, which was touted as like a more feminist version of Midsummer, which is kind of a heavy label like going In, but I really liked it. And it's about, um, a cult where the leader is like sexy Jesus and but everyone else's women, and he has sex with the women but not on their periods because, like I said last time, I'm all about ministry and supernatural horror right now. Um. Yeah.

And and so it follows their little journey of realizing maybe this guy is not so good, maybe we should like kill him. Um. And then I watched this movie. I can't really remember what it was called. It was like tell Me a Story or something. It was on a m C. But that I I enjoyed it. It's basically about like two writers, one of the young woman who's really successful, one was like a middle aged man who's like super not successful, and they get trapped in

a cabin together and they tell each other stories. And the interesting thing about that movie, it's one of it's one of those movies where I couldn't tell if the writer got it or not, because the whole message at the end was like, I mean spoiler, but he's a really bad dude and he's like, I'll tell you a very scary story. Um. It's about a man who was

a failure and a woman who just has everything. And I'm like, I can't tell if you're making a commentary or like actually mad about like a woman who's been more successful than you. I don't know, but I enjoyed it. That's worth I watched, right. Um, I haven't really watched anything new, Um I did. I have been watching horror movies, but I haven't watched like, oh, let me give that a shot. Um, But I would like to say, like

I did. I went back and revisited the I Guess the Newest Thing movie, um, and it was pretty good. It wasn't It wasn't as good as the John Carpenter version, um and so like, but it was still enjoyable. And then I went right into John Carpenters saying, and it was actually it's pretty almost seamless how they how they

did that. It still has the same feel um as Carpenters and all that, and they bring a lot of that elements in there, and you know, I was kind of disappointed when I heard it was coming out, just like, come on, guys, let's do something new that type stuff. It was a good surprise. Um. And another surprise UM was a movie called Ready or Not UM, which I think is streaming now on HBO Max. UM. So that one was actually, you know, was was was pretty good

as well. It's kind of like a campy, you know, you know, cheesy horror type of elements and stuff like that. A lot of fun stuff in there. Um. But I think those are the two that I really have stood out, you know, um, and I mean I recommend that both of those. I mean, there's definitely a break from from the news cycle and all that type of stuff going on. Nice. Well, Uh, this was a lot of fun everybody. This is going to come out Friday, Uh, one more day to Halloween,

so everyone has a safe Halloween. It was good to see Annie a lot, but a good seeing you Ramsey, good seeing you Joe. Everyone loves these round tables. It's maybe we should stretch these into November at some point. I don't know that's that just seems wrong. But these Halloween shows are a lot of fun for us. I think there's a Thanksgiving horror movie. Oh yeah, thanks Killing, Thanks Killing. You haven't seen Thanks Killing? Oh goodness me, Annie Reese. I've seen a lot of bad horror movies,

you guys. That's great. And they're one with the Killer Turkey too. Yeah. Okay, obviously all right, everyone out there in podcast land have a great Hallow weekend. Uh, stay safe and um check out Halloween three season of the Witch and Nightmare on Elm Street three Dream Warriors, both very very fun movies, one a little scarier than the other, but don't Halloween threees is pretty great. Highly recommended. Right Rub the fur alright by everybody? Rub that fur movie.

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