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Moody's Talks - Inside Economics

Join Chief Economist Mark Zandi, Marisa DiNatale and Cristian deRitis as they discuss key indicators and other aspects of the global economy. Contact us at insideeconomics@moodys.com. Visit online at www.economy.com/economicview
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Bonus Content: A conversation with Daleep Singh

Welcome to a bonus episode of Inside Economics. This is a recording that took place between Mark Zandi and our most recent podcast guest, Daleep Singh at the Aspen Ideas Festival a couple of months ago. Questions or Comments, please email us at InsideEconomics@moodys.com . We would love to hear from you. To stay informed and follow the insights of Moody's Analytics economists, visit Economic View . Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection...

Dec 11, 202526 min

The Old Normal with Daleep Singh

Daleep Singh, Vice Chairman and Global Chief Economist of investment manager PGIM, joins the Inside Economics team to discuss the seismic shifts occurring in the global economy and financial system. The unipolar global economy, which the U.S. dominated for decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union, has given way to the old normal, a world much like that of the Gilded Age that only ended with World War I. Listen in to hear if Daleep believes this time will be different. Hosts: Mark Zandi – C...

Dec 09, 202555 minEp. 247

No Con Job Friday

The Inside Economics team laments the lack of a November jobs report but dives into the wealth of data released this week about the labor market, income, and consumer spending. The discussion then turns to affordability and whether it’s a con job or whether households are feeling a real financial pinch. A listener question turns the conversation toward Federal Reserve independence and whether Jerome Powell’s successor is likely to have outsize influence on interest rate decisions. Hosts: Mark Za...

Dec 05, 20251 hr 3 minEp. 246

A Downer Podcast

Scott Hoyt joins the podcast to provide a look into the holiday retail season and to discuss the state of the U.S. consumer more broadly. The team reviews the downbeat data on consumer confidence, the labor market, inflation and housing, and contemplates the implications for consumer spending this Christmas. The team remembers to take a listener question on income inequality and the mood gets even darker. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris d...

Nov 26, 202559 minEp. 245

Alan Blinder’s Wile E. Coyote Moment

The Inside Economics crew welcomes Alan Blinder back to the podcast. The Princeton University economics professor and former Vice Chair of the Fed offers his perspective on the outlook for artificial intelligence, the risk of a bubble in equity markets, and the potential implications of current threats to Fed independence. The team also breaks down the much-delayed September employment report. Guest: Alan Blinder – Professor of Economics and Public Affairs at Princeton University Get more inform...

Nov 21, 20251 hr 3 minEp. 244

Going Bananas over Affordability

The Inside Economics team records a rare Saturday podcast. They consider the fallout from the just-ended government shutdown on the broader economy and the economic data. It’s not good, but it ended just before it did serious damage. The team also takes up the Trump administration’s pivot to addressing affordability, including scaling back tariffs, most important for the group, those on pasta and bananas. And they introduce a new regular segment of the podcast – listener questions. So, keep them...

Nov 15, 20251 hr 6 minEp. 243

No Jobs Friday: The Sequel

Mark, Cris and Marisa discuss the trajectory of the alternative labor market data on what is yet another “jobs” Friday with no official labor market data release. They discuss various outcomes around the federal government shutdown, how and when it may end, and what that means for the backlog of economic data releases. The trio concludes by answering several thought-provoking listener questions. Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’...

Nov 07, 20251 hr 9 minEp. 242

Zandi's Angst

Fellow Moody's colleague Chris Lafakis joins Mark, Marisa, and Cris as they discuss current economic trends and Chris's recent study on the macroeconomic consequences of hurricanes. Mark starts the conversation by sharing his questions about the latest data on layoffs and how AI is influencing the economy. The team members share their different perspectives before shifting the discussion to the economic toll of Hurricane Melissa and how storms can affect regional economies. Guest: Chris Lafakis ...

Oct 31, 20251 hr 7 minEp. 241

Claudia Sahm on the Muddling Economy

Claudia Sahm, Chief Economist at New Century Advisors, joins Inside Economics to discuss a bevy of topics, including today’s belated Consumer Price Index release, the lack of other government data, AI and the labor market, stock market valuations, and the risks to the economy that are top of mind for her. Mark teases a new esoteric vocabulary word but fails to reveal it…stay tuned. Guest: Claudia Sahm – Chief Economist, New Century Advisors For more from Claudia Sahm, check out her Substack here...

Oct 24, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 240

Consumer Prices, Consumer Credit, Client Concerns

Colleague Matt Colyar joins Cris and Mark on the podcast to discuss the prospects for inflation and the threat posed by subprime consumer credit problems to the banking system and broader economy. They discuss all of this through the prism of concerns raised by clients in their travels this past week: Mark was out West, Matt in Texas, and Cris in Bermuda. Guest: Matt Colyar - Assistan Director, Economist, Moody's Analytics Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – De...

Oct 17, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 239

Missing Government, Missing Data

Justin Begley and Brendan LaCerda join Inside Economics to discuss the federal government shutdown and its macroeconomic consequences. First, the crew discusses how the shutdown is preventing the release of federal economic statistics, and Justin runs through a bunch of private data sources that can be used to gauge the health of the labor market in the absence of the BLS reports. The conversation then turns to the shutdown itself. Brendan and Justin opine on when and how the stalemate might end...

Oct 10, 20251 hr 9 minEp. 238

No Jobs Friday

The Inside Economics team welcomes Lisa Simon, Chief Economist at Revelio Labs, for an unusual jobs Friday podcast as the ongoing government shutdown prevented the release of the September employment report. Lisa details the new public labor statistics data that Revelio Labs began publishing recently in the wake of turmoil at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The team discusses how private data sources can help fill in the gaps left by the temporary absence of government data and also dissects the...

Oct 03, 20251 hr 11 minEp. 237

On the Brightside with Michelle Meyer

Mastercard Chief Economist Michelle Meyer joins the Inside Economics team to debate the health of the American consumer and the economy’s prospects. The team pushes hard on Michelle’s sanguine perspective, but she holds her ground—and then some. Listen in if you want a preview of the strength of holiday sales and what will power that growth. Guest: Michelle Meyer – Chief Economist, Mastercard ( https://www.mastercardservices.com/en/overview/leadership/michelle-meyer ) Explore the risks and reali...

Sep 29, 202548 minEp. 236

The K-Shaped Economy with Heather Long

Heather Long, Chief Economist at Navy Federal Credit Union, joins the Inside Economics team to discuss what she dubbed the K-Shaped Economy. She describes the reasons why the well-to-do are thriving and the bottom 80% of the income distribution is struggling to make ends meet. The team discusses the origins of this skewing in the income distribution and why we should care about it. Explore the risks and realities shaping the economy in our new webinar, now streaming for free. U.S. Economic Outlo...

Sep 22, 202543 minEp. 235

Speaking From All Hands Day

The Inside Economics team gets together in person at All Hands Day. It is a short podcast, with more than the typical amount of chit-chat (as we are in person). But it is an action-packed conversation on the Fed’s rate decision (see if we got it right), our proposal to unlock the housing market, and, of course, the statistics game! Explore the risks and realities shaping the economy in our new webinar, now streaming for free: U.S. Economic Outlook: Under Unprecedented Uncertainty Watch here: htt...

Sep 17, 202535 minEp. 234

CPI and AI with Capital Group's Jared Franz

Mark and Cris are joined by Matt Colyar to break down the latest CPI inflation report, while Jared Franz from the Capital Group explores how artificial intelligence is reshaping the American economy and labor market. We examine the opportunities and challenges of the AI revolution and what it means for workers, businesses, and investors in this rapidly changing economic landscape. Jared Franz is an economist at Capital Group, responsible for covering the United States. He has 19 years of investm...

Sep 12, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 233

A Jobs Recession

Dante joins the Inside Economics team to talk about the August employment report. After another set of weak numbers, Mark declares that the economy has entered a jobs recession. Cris and Marisa agree, but Dante would like to see more evidence. They also discuss how the lack of hiring is disproportionately impacting young workers. They wrap up by considering what it all means for the Fed, in light of a big jump in market expectations for more drastic rate cuts by the end of the year. Guest: Dante...

Sep 05, 202548 minEp. 232

Nervous Economy, Nervous Economists

Mark, Cris, and Marisa talk about the increasingly shaky state of the economy after reviewing the week’s data. They preview next week’s jobs report and the likelihood of further downward revisions and negative payroll numbers. The trio then ponders some dark scenarios regarding Fed independence or lack thereof, and what that could mean for the growth and inflation outlooks. Hosts: Mark Zandi – Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, Cris deRitis – Deputy Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics, and Maris...

Aug 29, 202536 minEp. 231

Cuts Confirmed to Crypto Caution

From Fed Chair Powell’s confirmation of coming interest rate cuts to digital wallets, this episode dives deep into the evolving world of digital currencies with guest Ananya Kumar from the Atlantic Council. Whether you're managing your portfolio like co-host Crypto Cris or just trying to keep up with changing technologies, we’ve got you covered. Guest: Ananya Kumar, Deputy Director of Future of Money, Atlantic Council For Ananya's article on Chinese Stablecoin click here: https://www.atlanticcou...

Aug 22, 20251 hr 16 minEp. 230

Inflation Rundown

The "Inside Economics" team, joined by Matt Colyar, analyzes July's CPI and PPI reports, highlighting an accelerating core inflation and producer price jump driven by tariffs and immigration policy, while markets remain surprisingly optimistic. They also delve into recent retail sales data, noting a significant slowdown in consumer spending and real income pressures. The discussion extends to data quality issues at the BLS and a lively debate on AI's long-term impact on the labor market, concluding with overall concerns about economic growth slowing as inflation picks up.

Aug 15, 20251 hr 20 minEp. 229

In Defense of the BLS

Former Bureau of Labor Statistics Commissioner Erica Groshen joins Mark, Cris, and Dante to cover a wide range of topics, including a somber discussion about the recent firing of the current BLS commissioner. Erica provides key insights into the role that BLS commissioners play in the day-to-day publication of economic data, as well as the longer-term challenges facing BLS and other federal statistical agencies. She also weighs in on the recent revisions to employment data that have garnered muc...

Aug 07, 20251 hr 7 minEp. 228

On An Economic Tight Rope

The Inside Economics team turned lugubrious in this week’s episode. Given this week’s data dump showing that inflation is uncomfortably high and accelerating, and the job market and broader economy are struggling, it's hard not to be. They also consider what it all means for the Fed, which is in an increasingly difficult position, and prospects that the economy will fall off the narrow tight rope it is on, into recession. Guest: Dante DeAntonio, Senior Director of Economic Research, Moody's Anal...

Aug 01, 20251 hr 4 minEp. 227

Running the Economic Gamut

The 2025 U.S. economy leaves no shortage of topics to explore. This week, the Inside Economics crew tries to touch them all. Mark and Cris, joined by Matt Colyar, discuss growing challenges to Fed independence, recent tariff agreements, financial market exuberance, and a U.S. housing market under significant stress. Finally, the team answers several listener questions and offers their latest recession probabilities and expectations for next week’s slew of important data. Read the full housing re...

Jul 25, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 226

Cruise Controls or Smoke Signals

Automotive economists Jonathan Smoke (Cox Automotive) and Michael Brisson (Moody's Analytics) join Mark and Cris to discuss industry conditions, tariff impacts on production and pricing, and their divergent views on auto credit's future. Inside Economics producer, Sara Rodriguez, makes a special guest appearance to settle the podcast's ongoing chit-chat debate. Read more articles by Jonathan Smoke here Related Research on today's topic: Click here and here Guests: Mike Brisson - director - Econo...

Jul 18, 20251 hr 6 minEp. 225

Housers on the Housing Shortage

Moody’s Analytics Mark Zandi and Cris deRitis are joined by Ira Goldstein from The Reinvestment Fund, Maggie McCullough from PolicyMap, and Jim Parrott from the Urban Institute to discuss their new study that takes a deep dive into understanding the nature of the decade-long housing shortfall. This housing crisis has driven up house prices and rents, and undermined housing affordability. But despite the heightened political attention on the problem, there remains confusion over its true scale an...

Jul 16, 20251 hr 11 min

Austan Goolsbee Clears the Dirt

Chicago Federal Reserve President Austan Goolsbee joins Mark and Cris to talk about the economy and monetary policy. He explains that the up and down tariffs and other economic policies have thrown lots of dirt in the air, so to speak, complicating things for the Fed and thus delaying the normalization of interest rates. He also weighs in on the policy response to the financial crisis and the economic repercussions of artificial intelligence. And tune in to hear why he wants to be 80% Paul Volke...

Jul 11, 20251 hrEp. 224

Chit-Chatting About Jobs

Dante joins the Inside Economics crew for an unusual jobs Thursday podcast. The team discusses the disconnect between the positive headlines and market reaction to the June employment report and the weakening undercurrent in the labor market. They also debate whether higher inflation is still looming despite not showing up in the data yet. Marisa steals the show in the stats game with three figures that stump Mark, Cris, and Dante. Guest: Dante DeAntonio, Senior Director of Economic Research, Mo...

Jul 03, 20251 hr 6 minEp. 223

Zelman on the Housing Zeitgeist

Mark, Marisa, and colleague Adam Kamins are joined by Ivy Zelman to discuss the housing market outlook. Ivy sheds light on a wide variety of topics, including disappointing demand, the persistent drag from mortgage rate lock, and a lack of listings, adding up to a bearish outlook for prices and sales. The group also touches on regional differences, why builders are pulling back, and the effect of policy changes around tariffs and immigration. Along the way, Marisa and Adam learn the answers to a...

Jun 27, 20251 hrEp. 222

Cochrane on China, Chris on Crude

Colleagues Chris Lafakis and Steve Cochrane join Inside Economics to discuss how geopolitics is shaping the outlook and the risks to the U.S. and global economies. But first, the team reminisces about Steve’s 32 years as “employee 007” at the company and his upcoming retirement. Steve reveals his secrets for “managing up,” and Mark finds out he’s been managed all these years. The conversation then turns to U.S.-China relations and the risk of an oil price shock stemming from Israel’s attack on I...

Jun 20, 202544 minEp. 221

Private Credit & Systemic Risk

Samim Ghamami, Senior Economist at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, joins Mark, Cris, and Marisa to explore the rapid rise of the private credit market. With global assets surpassing $2 trillion, Samim breaks down the systemic risks posed by this opaque yet fast-growing asset class. The discussion delves into private credit’s role in middle-market lending, private equity, and new markets like infrastructure and real estate, as well as its implications for financial stability and regu...

Jun 18, 202551 min
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