I'm on thirty fourth Street in Manhattan, outside Macy's at Harold Square. I worked here more than twenty five years ago, and on one faithful day as a twenty three year old, I came face to face with bona fide old time Hollywood stardom, sort of face to face. Let's go inside. Macy's was my first job. When I arrived in New York. I worked behind the counter as a fragrant specialist for Channel.
I was not a spritzer. Spritzer's were the male models in front of the counter debait to lure customers so that I could dazzle them with my knowledge of the product line. Can I help you, ma'am? H Channel number nineteen. You do know who wears number twenty two? The Queen Mother. I hear she smells great. You're a French teacher, Well you have no choice. You have to wear Chanelle number five, Coco or the Divarsay looking to get her groove back. Yes,
it's an ou de toilette. No, it's not literally toilet water. Most people run screaming when they see anybody standing there with a fragrance bottle, and they didn't when they saw you. That's my former supervisor Javen Bunch. God, I cannot believe this. In that man shouting in disbelief is salesman Park Salons and my former colleague Raymond Ramirez, and I've been wishing to know since nineteen eighty eight. You were like the
cal Ripken of Chanel at Macy's Baseball Reverence. So one of the things I remember is that occasionally celebrity stars would walk through. I got to see Share the opera diva Jess Norman, before you is Elizabeth Taylor. I got to see Lena Horn. But for me, the one truly magical moment took place in April of nineteen ninety two during the annual Flower Show. I was right behind the counter, yes right, yes, when when she and by she I
mean Audrey Hepburn walked floated by my counter. Yes, Audrey Hepburn. I will cherish my visit here in memory as long as I live. When I say she floated by, I'm not just talking about her impossibly perfect posture, which indeed made it seem like she was being pulled by a string. It was more than that. I've met a lot of stars, and most of them kind of disappoint She didn't more than gracefulness. She exuded grace. I do remember that day. What do you remember, Oh my god, I remember that,
the excitement, I remember the sack excitement. Sure, but the floor became very quiet when she floated through, like the world came to a stop. There was this reverence among everybody on the floor. No one would have tried to get that right. And that's a difference too. Even if selfie's existed a smartphones, you never would have thought to like wrap your arm around her and put your shove your hand in front of her face. He wouldn't go near miss Heathburn. And that's who she would have been
more than a quarter century after her passing. Yes, it's been that long. The image of Hepburn in a black dress and sunglasses having breakfast outside Tiffany's is as identifiable as Marilyn Monroe standing above a subway grate or James Dean in his red jacket. But our attachment to Audrey feels special, more intimate. Let's find out why. Along the way, I'll take you to some unusual places and we'll cross paths or some unexpected people, like say a former president
of the United States. Were you aware that the day of your inauguration, Audrey Hepburn died. No, you didn't know that. No, I'm Mo Rocca, and this is mobituaries. This mobid the timeless Audrey Hepburn January twentieth, nineteen ninety three, Death of an icon. When I started on this podcast, I kind of made a promise to myself that I wouldn't get too gushy or hagiographic about any of the people I was profiling. But I may have to make an exception
because we're talking about Audrey Hepburn. This episode is going to be a little unconventional, more a series of vignettes than a womb to tomb biography. Now, Like I said at the beginning, the connection to Audrey is personal for people. One day, not too long ago, I was feeling especially reflective, and so I tweeted, Because what's the point of reflecting if you don't let your followers know it. I went ahead and tweeted, how did we drift so far from
Audrey Hepburn? Can we ever get back? Quite The response? One person answered, no way, there is no comparison. Another wrote, she was not of this world wer than an I'm than you in style she's now been gone twenty five years. She's become a legend. Sean Hepburn Ferrer is Audrey Hepburn's older son from her first marriage to actor Melfarrere. Audrey
Hepburn is not the movie star from Hollywood. Audrey Hepburn is the young girl from across the landing who puts on a little black dress and goes out into the world. And she represents us, not them, and we're rooting for her, and we do root for her. Somehow she manages to be both aspirational and totally accessible, whether she's the chauffeur's daughter who dazzles the industry tycoon and his brother in Sabrina or Sabrina or Sabrina, Where have You've been? On
My Life? Right over the garage? Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady. The difference between a lady and a fogle is not how she behaves, but how she's treated. Or my personal favorite, the bohemian bookworm turned fashion model in Funny Face? How could I be a model? I have no illusions about my looks. I think my face is funny. No, she wasn't a bombshell like Marilyn Monroe or Elizabeth Taylor, but what may have seemed funny to her was considered
an ideal to many. Oh God, I didn't think I was ever going to look like anyone in a movie. But of course when I saw a Funny Face with Audrey Hepfron, I definitely wished I looked like her. In twenty eleven, I interviewed the late great wit Nora Ephron. She wrote, when Harry met Sally and directed Sleepless in Seattle, and had I known we were going to talk about this, I would be wearing right now my black turtleneck sweater, which almost looks like the one she wore in Funny Face.
Nora went on to tell me this terrific story. When she was sixteen, she visited Edith Head, the great costume designer of Hollywood's Golden Age, and Edith Head then took me to see her famous dressing room, which had thirty six panels of mirror for every ten degrees. It was a completely circular room, and she said that there was only one person who can stand in that room and look good in all thirty six mirrors. Then it was Audrey Hepburn. That is great. If I were a geometry teacher.
I would use that. Yes, there was no one like her ever. The charm was who she was. I've never seen anything like it. It's striking that Nora Ephron, who had perfectly articulated opinions about pretty much everything, had trouble describing what it was about Audrey hepburn that was so captivating. Ditto the normally unflappable Johnny Carson. Audrey appeared on the Tonight Show in nineteen seventy six, and it's kind of
wild watching Carson in his sidekick. Ed McMahon reduced to anxious schoolboys as they get ready to welcome her onto the show the first time she's been on the show. And would you believe I'm a little nervous really what I had not to put you now all? I mean, I would believe that because I would feel the sandwich. She's kind of very, very special, special. She's delicate, thank you. Yes, that's the word I was going to use, delicate, delicate?
Would you walk in place, miss Audrey Hepburnie? And as I always like to say, I never really saw anyone truly misbehave in front of her. How do you think she felt about being called delicate and She must have smirked because she knew that she was not because of what she lived through. And Audrey Hepburn lived through a lot. Maybe the reason she pulled off all those Cinderella rolls so beautifully was that her own early life was something of a fairy tale. And I don't mean the Disney kind.
I'm talking grim. I never led what people sink is this glamorous life. I've always been me. I've always been aware of what goes on in the world. And I suddenly grew up in a war ravaged country, and I've always known, you know that I was privileged and NATO always seeing suffering, known about it. And that hasn't changed. So it's still the same old old. Audrey Hepburn was born in Brussels, Belgium, on May fourth, nineteen twenty nine. Her father was a banker and her mother a Dutch aristocrat.
She spent some of her youth in the UK, where she trained as a dancer and where her parents were supporters of the Fascist movement. After her father abandoned the family and as war loomed, Audrey moved with her mother to neutral Holland. Soon after the Nazis invaded this is the Columbia Broadcasting System. Hipler added another to his bag of small nations today, the fifth and fourteen months, when the Dutch Army laid down its arms everywhere except in
the extreme southwestern part of the country. In spite of her parents pre war politics, Audrey, as a young teenager, did what she could to help the resistance, like raising funds through secret dance performances. The war was a lasting trauma for her, as her hometown of Arnham became a battlefield. As reported here by Walter Cronkite, the tragedy a resupply now bassets Arnham brigades protecting landing zones are under withering
German attack. Hepburn talked about her wartime experience during her American television debut in nineteen fifty one on a show called We the People. She was twenty two years old, Ladies and gentlemen, telling you her own story. Broadway's latest star, Audrey Hepburn. It's her first time on Broadway. She's starring in a play called Gigi, the precursor to the musical, and she's understandably excited. This is a wonderful Christmas for me.
Irreculusly I'm in New York a Broadway. But then the own shifts as Hepburn begins to reenact what happened to her during the war. The Christmas I want to tell you about is the one that took place here Arnum Holland, seven years ago. It's pretty surreal. Hepburn is basically playing herself as a fifteen year old. She talks about how her uncle was executed by the Nazis and how her family nearly starved. And there was the morning of December twenty fourth when finally my aunt told us there wasn't
a scrap of food left in the house. Well, I'd heard one could sleep and forget hunger. Perhaps I could see ball through Christmas. I try, But there's a Christmas miracle when the Resistance sends a delivery ten potatoes, the most wonderful and most beautiful thing I ever saw. It may sound a bit melodramatic to you, but ten potatoes would have been a prize. Hepburn suffered severe malnourishment during what was known as the Dutch Famine. Under German occupation.
Much of the populace had reached the starvation level. The Nazis blocked the food supply to over four million civilians. More than twenty thousand died the lack of fulgum's day after day after day, and it's a long torture. Luca Dotty is Hepburn's younger son from her second marriage to Italian psychiatrist Andrea Dotti. He says that during the war, Audrey and her family were so desperate for food they
had to make flower out of tulip bulbs. By the time Holland was liberated, she weighed only eighty eight pounds. Did that stress stay with her for the rest of her life? Obviously yes, but she he did very well. All her life was a search of stability. That's why home it was very important. Luca wrote a book a few years back about their home life and her favorite recipes, a surprise best seller times and times over. People were surprised that my mother who actually they were surprised by
the fact that she actually atees. I think Luca's half choking here a nod to the speculation that his mother, who was very thin, may have had an eating disorder. But Luca swears by her love of pasta and chocolate, which she associated with the Allied liberation of Holland. My mother was then a survivor, and when you are you always have this duality. You know, you're happy you're alive, but then you have this sense of guilts because the
person next door didn't make it. And for Hepburn, one of those people, while not a literal next door neighbor, was another Dutch girl. Audrey Hepburn felt a special connection to someone you wouldn't necessarily expect. Are you speaking of An Frank. I'm speaking of An Frank. You have an affinity for that story, don't you. I do in a way because we both lived through the same war, exactly the same age. I was born, the same year Anne Frank was born. That's Audrey Hepburn speaking to CBS in
nineteen eighty nine. But she became acquainted with the story of Anne Frank far earlier, earlier than almost anyone. I read the diary in Dutch in galiform when it was still being edited, and it was one of the most devastating experiences I've ever had, because more than just reading a book, it was like having the whole war played back to me. She obviously was locked up inside. I was outside, and here was somebody who had been able to put on paper everything I'd felt during those years,
and was it destroyed me. I must saying it has stayed an extremely emotional experience for me. Luca calls mother and Anne Frank soul sisters. And I had no idea that Otto Frank, Anne's father actually wanted Hepburn to play his daughter on screen. He even visited her home in Switzerland to try to persuade her. There's this striking photo of Hepburn, Otto Frank and his second wife posing outside Hepburn's home. But she said no to the role. Why did she turn it down because it was much too
close to what she lived through. She thought he would kill her. She actually believed that it would somehow, you know, kill her to do it, because she felt so close to her and she was crushed that she made it and Frank didn't. Both her sons talked to me about the lifelong impact of the war on their mother. My mother once said, you know, if I get through this alive, I will never ever complain anymore. And this is something
she actually did. My mother was never complaining, even in the worst situations, and I think that this is one of the reasons why she wanted to do then, is that she remembered so vividly herself and her emotions as a little girl and living through the war, and so's there's this empathy thing going on. Long before Angelina, there was Audrey, traveling the globe in the nineteen eighties and nineties raising awareness about the world's poorest, actively lobbying governments
to help children in need. While she appeared in a few films here and there, it was her charitable work that defined her later years as a good will ambassador for Uni Seth. She really was one of the world's most prominent celebrity humanitarians. She never forgot the relief that came at the end of the war. Is there a point at which our well of compassion might run dry? Do you think never? I don't think that's It's not in human nature. Giving is and giving is life living.
I mean, if you stopped wanting to give, I think it's nothing more to live for. The darkness of her wartime experience may seem like the polar opposite of the light she emits on screen. And yet I'm wondering if this combination of yearning and gratitude is what still draws us today, because those things really seem to show up on screen, and it did show. It did show through her eyes, it did show in her genuinity and simplicity, and people realize it's true. So it's very hard to define,
but you define it very well. After talking with Luca and Sean and learning what her mother went through, I went back and rewatched some of her movies and now I see her story in those performances as the wound, did Holly go lightly looking for a better life? I mean, that's horrible. Suddenly you're afraid, you don't know what you're Freda as Princess Anne, who feels a genuine joy on her Roman holiday and decide caffine looking shop windows, look in the rain. It's no coincidence that in the screen
test that launched her. You can watch it yourself, it's on YouTube, she's talking about the war, the world, the bed, and then we weren't going to leave this out. There's wait until Dark. Audrey Hepburn the role you're going to remember whenever you're alone. Hepburn plays a blind woman who is terrorized inside her home. Co star Alan Arkin plays her tormentor and supposedly hated doing the tormenting I mean,
who wants it to be mean to Audrey Eppburn. The scenes were intense, and Audrey, quite possibly channeling her wartime experience, endures the struggle and survives. Listen. There were plenty of other talented actresses in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and they were beautiful too. Some of them were supposed to be the next Audrey Hepburn, Millie Perkins, Maggie McNamara, Susan Strasburg,
but they hadn't lived through what Audrey lived through. Peter Bogdanovitch, who directed Hepburn, summed up perfectly when he called her an iron butterfly. All this may go some way towards explaining Audrey Hepburn's hold on us, but I think there's more to the story. For that, we'll head to where else, Japan. But first we've made clear there were no other Audrey Hepburn's, but there was one other, very famous Hepburn. So let's take a moment to settle something. Audrey Hepburn is not
Katherine Hepburn. It reminds me of that disambiguation alert that you get on Wikipedia or Google. You know, did you mean now if you are one of those people who confuses Katherine with Audrey, you probably stopped listening to me ten minutes ago. Otherwise, it's never too late to disambiguate. Oh we're going to talk about me. Good. Are they related? No, they are not sisters. They are not even third cousins. Who was older Katherine by twenty two years? But who
wore the pants? Well they both did, and quite well, I should add. Then there are the very distinctive Hepburn's speech patterns. Guess who's coming to dinner. If you've never heard Katherine's mid Atlantic affect, you've probably heard Martin Short doing Katherine Hepburn's mid Atlantic affect. Well, that kind of talk will get you. No, I missed out. Now, Audrey's accent was always a little harder to place. Did I tell you how divinely and utterly happy I am? I
guess it was a British, Dutch, American bland. You know, I'd just like to hear her say things. Why didn't you say something, Sarah dipity right? Suddenly, not only would they not be playing scrabble, it would also not be playing by cheesy chicken stock plugs. The Journey of Nattigan I'm having much too much fun. We hope you are to stay tuned for more Audrey after this. Just before my stint working at Macy's, I was living in Japan, where I studied kabuki. Yes really, I taught English on
the side. Because it was the early nineties, I had no other income, and a cup of coffee in Tokyo costs about twelve dollars. One of my students, a very nice woman named Ritzko, asked me out to a movie. It may have been a date, I still don't know. We ended up going to an Audrey Hepburn film festival. We saw How to Steal a Million co starring Peter O'Toole. You went us in a big time paper heist. A life sized cardboard cut out of Audrey greeted us at
the festival Entrance. Fans post for pictures next to it. Now we've talked about the personal attachment a lot of fans have for her. Well, in Japan, the Audrey love is deep. There's this famous all female theater troupe there called Takaraska. They staged a musical version of Roman Holidays. And get this, Hepburn was ranked above Gandhi in a Japanese poll on the most well liked historical figures. What is the deal with your mother and Japan? The connection?
It's intense, It's very intense. Little by little I understood there was a sincere devotion. There's no other word for it, and Luca would know. He told me that it was through Japanese fan mail and small tokens like origami that he first began to grasp his mother's fame. During his childhood in Rome, he would watch Japanese tourists trying to follow in his mother's film star footsteps. Audrey Hepburn now welcomes you to Rome as the captive princess who goes
out on the town to have some fun. And they came to Rome to retrace the Roman Holiday, every scene you know, and the vise by and the ice great and the fountain and this sent deats in case you haven't seen Roman Holiday, it's the movie that won Hepburn her oscar. She plays Princess Anne, who's visiting Rome on a royal tour and ends up playing hooky for the day while pretending to be a commoner. She falls in love with an American journalist played by Gregory Peck I
could do some things. I've always wanted to blake what oh, you can't imagine. I like to just whatever. I like. Holiday long. When the Japanese saw Roman Holiday, it was love at first sight. It was nineteen fifty three, the war was still a recent memory, and American culture was really just starting to take root in Japan. The Japanese connection to the film may have something to do with
the importance of duty. You see spoiler alert, Princess Anne tearfully leaves her true love to return to her royal world, not a Hollywood ending. I have to leave you now. I'm going to that corner. That done. You stay in the gun drive away. It was very understandable for Japanese. Taki Kato lives in Japan and was a young girl when Roman Holiday premiered, But Order Helper we could identify with how they say so charming, so natural for us, was so cute, and the Japanese tend to like someone
who's cute. And apparently the Japanese found Hepburn's pixie haircut cuter than Hello Kitty. Hepburn talked about it in a Dutch TV interview in nineteen eighty eight, and actually it caused a bit of a fjor, especially in Japan, with the film was an enormous success, still is today, because they're all girls have very long hair and it was part of the tradition and they'll cut off their hair,
and I was held responsible. Yes, that's very true. Taki went on to become a show business coordinator in Tokyo. She worked with a lot of big names, Frank Snatche, Harry Barafonte, Ringosta, and as you may have guessed, miss Ldre Hepburn. In a surprise move, Hepburn left Hollywood when she was still very much in demand in the late
nineteen sixties to live abroad and focus on motherhood. But in nineteen seventy one, Taki helped negotiate to get her back in of the camera, this time for Japanese commercials. It's that lost in translation thing where Americans appeared in ads that were never broadcast in the US, which was very very sensational Hinchapan, of course, and the commercials was very fashionable. Incidentally, she was advertising high end wigs. But it wasn't until nineteen eighty three that Audrey Hepburn actually
went to Japan. The occasion a fashion show for her dear friend and designer Hubert de Givanshi. Quick side note, The Givanschi fashion show in funny Face is a magical sequence. When Hepburn landed in Tokyo, it was like Princess Anne from Roman Holiday had finally arrived. Hepburn was naturally exhausted after a very long flight, and she worried that she might disappoint fans who were accustomed to seeing her as a young woman on screen. So she said to me, Taki,
I am very sad. If the Japanese fans look at me in that tired face, they may not like me anymore. Talkie told her friend not to worry, that Japanese fans would always love her, and she said, I still remember her big smile. Taki. Okay, you're right. Taki and Audrey remained friends for years. I have about thirty letters from her. This must be in nineteen eighty three, after she left Japan. I think I have now almost recovered from my jet lag,
but will never get over Japan. Never, she underlines, none of us will ever be the same again. Exclamation mark three of them. She told me, Taki, perhaps in the past years in the in my ancestor era. I might have in a Japanese Hepburn may have been joking here, but she understood that there was a bond. So to test this notion of devotion, we sent a producer to this Audrey Hepburn photo exhibition happening in a department store just outside Tokyo, and one of the women waiting in
line likened Hepburn to a goddess. Another lady talked about a sense of elegance and her quote straight spine that goes like tis a day and you'll remember. That's what I remembered from that day at Macy's when I caught a glimpse of Audrey Hepburn back in nineteen ninety two. I had no way of knowing how little time she had left. In September, she was diagnosed with cancer of the appendix, and she died on January twentieth, nineteen ninety three.
I would have thought it would have been front page news. I did front page, even above the fold, yes, I still think in newspaper terms. But someone else was front and center that day. I William Jefferson Clinton, who solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office President of the United States. Yep, Bill Clinton kind of stole her spotlight. Were you aware that the day of your inauguration, Audrey Hepburn died. No, you didn't know that. No, it didn't
look I didn't. It was a fairly busy time. I didn't sleep for two days. Understandably, he'd been a little distracted. So to jog his memory, I brought along an old copy of The New York Times. She was only sixty three. Yeah, I remember then. I remember how young I thought she was. I didn't think about it being my inaugural. They yeah, she's like she they put her back here. But it's a nice spread. She was amazing. I loved her. I love Roman Holiday, I love Funny Face, I love Sabrina.
I like the remake because I like the first one so much. That may be pushing it. Oh that is yeah, that's definitely a stretch. That's Karen James. She's a culture critic and on January twentieth, nineteen ninety three, she was working for The New York Times when she was assigned Audrey Hepburn's obituary. So I'm going to show you it's been a long time since you've seen it. I haven't read this obituary in years. I glanced at it. What did I say? I think? I said she was elegant
and graceful. You do use those words. Audiences were enchanted by her combination of grace, elegance, and high spirits, and she won an Academy Award as Best Actress. You were talking about Roman Holiday. There. In a string of films that followed, she continued to play the lie, the young thing with stars in her eyes and the ability to make Cinderella transformations. I stand by that. But there's a
whole story behind this obituary. So Karen's in the news the day of the inauguration, and at about five in the afternoon, when all the top editors were in the Page one meeting putting together the front page, the deputy Culture editor came running over to my desk and said, thank goodness you're here. Katherine Hepburn is dead and we have a ten year old obituary. Can you rewrite it? And they were tearing apart in page one because they thought Katherine Hepburn was dead. So we walk over to
the Culture news desk. You're looking very mystified for a good reason. I really am. We went to the news desk and said, how do we know she's dead? And someone said, oh, the Uwen called to tell us, and it was like one of those cartoon moments where you saw the lightbulbs go on over everyone's head and we realized it was Audrey, not Katherine. Before the world to knew the word disambiguation, you experienced it, That's right, I did firsthand. Did you mean Audrey Hepburn or Katherine Hepburn.
That's right. They were so relieved that they did not have to tear apart page one for Audrey Hepburn's obituary that Katherine Hepburn would have warranted tearing apart a page one, even though that page one was about a presidential inauguration exactly. They would have found room for her on page one, and they were doing it. But when I heard it was Audrey, immediately what they said to me was, oh,
can you write Audrey's obituary? I feel like this is the kind of mistake that Audrey Hepburn would have been really gracious about. Katherine Hepburn would not have been pleased about, because Katherine Hepburn did not suffer fools. No, she didn't well it's a lovely oh bit, so it does. It doesn't seem like a rush job. I mean, really, thank you. I'm glad to hear that, because I felt bad after that I didn't have time to give her, you know,
the atention I would have if I'd known. And it's kind of remarkable when you read your oh bed that her career was basically fourteen years long. I mean nineteen fifty three to nineteen sixty seven. There was a little stuff before, a little stuff afterward. I just have the impression she wasn't one of those people who had to act. There are people who really feel like they have to do it no matter what. And she had other things to do. She had a family, she had her un work.
She really didn't feel as driven to do things that she wasn't really passionately interested in doing. I remember how special it felt to watch the Oscars, and you know, in those days, right, and it was an event that Audrey Hepburn would show up and float across the stage to deliver best costume or whatever, right, partly because she wasn't on screen all the time, so when she appeared, it really did seem like an event. Why do you
think people still remember her so fondly. I think there was great affection for her at the time, and I think there's but no one like her, since there are maybe Audrey Hepburn types there in there, but she was so special and so graceful and so elegant in a way that was distinctly hers. You know, Karen's story is so great, and she's not even an obituary writer. In fact, she's only written two obits in her life, Audrey Hepburn and Katherine Hepburn. Maybe it's weird to feel nostalgic for
a time you didn't live through. I wasn't around during Audrey Hepburn's heyday. And yet on those days when the news is particularly dreary and people are being especially awful, and I'm flipping through the channels and I land on one of her movies, I can't help but wonder how did we drift so far from Audrey Hepburn. Can we ever get back? One can only hope marcle Ary friend and me next time on mobituaries. He did it all,
Sammy Davis Junior. He was everything. I mean, he could play any instrument, he could sing, he could dance like a maniac. You were lovers, you were boyfriend's friends. What was that like? It was fabulous. He's as talented in that area as he wasn't he was otherwise. I certainly hope you enjoyed this mobid be sure to rate and review our podcast. You can also follow Mobituaries on Facebook and Instagram, and you can follow me on Twitter at Morocca.
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