Navigating Love and Boundaries - podcast episode cover

Navigating Love and Boundaries

Jan 28, 202551 minSeason 5Ep. 6
--:--
--:--
Download Metacast podcast app
Listen to this episode in Metacast mobile app
Don't just listen to podcasts. Learn from them with transcripts, summaries, and chapters for every episode. Skim, search, and bookmark insights. Learn more

Episode description

Send us a text

In the concluding part of this conversation, Ayo Daniels and I focus on the intersections of intimacy, cultural traditions, and personal growth within relationships.

 Ayo Daniel discusses the importance of recognizing sexual desires, navigating wedding traditions, and offering insights into preparing for the first night of marriage while emphasizing the lifelong practice of forgiveness and commitment in relationships. 

• Exploring the balance between sexual awareness and cultural beliefs 
• Analyzing customary versus church weddings and their implications 
• Preparing for the wedding night with emotional and practical insights 
• The essential nature of forgiveness in long-term relationships 
• Encouraging open conversations about intimacy and desires

Get Beyond Romance https://ayodaniels.com/
Music Johnny Drille: Wait for Me https://youtu.be/ab9dtAuosMw?si=hpDeJgKpA5ASzylY

Support the show

Follow me

Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/tunmise.kuku

Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/tunmiseokuku/ https://www.instagram.com/bhmcoaching/

LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/tunmise-oladapo-kuku-8a2626b/

Get Living Mindfully: A Journey to Being https://blackhemages.com/living-mindfully/

Website: https://blackhemages.com/

b45eeaafa11188b421daa26f6eb85da5596dbf11

Love Yourself; Love Your Neighbour; Love Your Country: Above all of these Love God He's the essence of Your Being.

#tdk



Transcript

Exploring Boundaries in Romantic Relationships

Speaker 1

Hi Mindful Partners and welcome to another episode of Mindful Uchimise the podcast . The first part of this conversation with PAD Ayo Daniel so talked about dating , cut-shape friendship , culture and everything in between . But this second part of the conversation , we touch on well touchy topics , namely sex , premarital and , of course , the first night too .

We also touch on the debates that's constantly on social media these days the type of ceremony that is approved . Is it customary ? That's traditional or white wedding or church blessing , depending on how you view it or what side of the divide you are on . It is about to get interesting in here , so let's get to it . I am Uluwatu Mishi . Hola da ko Kuku .

Alex kept gazing at Sharon where she lay on his couch , fiddling with her phone . All day she had been hunting down wedding deals online and showing him pictures of ideas she would like to incorporate into their bed date . If he was being honest with himself , though , it was getting harder to focus on the things she was showing him .

The smell of her feminine perfume kept on travelling through his nostrils whenever she scooted over to where he was seated on the couch , and the way her eyes packed every time she saw something she really loved . Her lips were so perfectly shaped , small and pouty , and when she smiled that looked even more adorable .

It was getting increasingly difficult not to just pull her to him and kiss her . Dude , you know , that's a terrible idea , he questioned himself in his heart , and last time you tried that , it was near impossible to stop . Remember , if not for your gate man that rang the doorbell to announce that pizza had been delivered . Babe , it's getting late .

When do you intend to head out ? He asked gruffly . Uh-huh , are you chasing me and what's up with your voice ? Sharon retorted , looking up to give him a displaced look . Her look quickly changed to one of concern when she saw the strained expression on his face . What's up , babe , you good ?

Yeah , it's just that it's getting quite late and you know I don't like you on the road at this time and I don't like driving after dark . Is that why you look so tense ? I'm good , babe , and you don't have to drive . I can do an Uber . It's just past nine . I don't know how we both got carried away and weren't conscious of the time .

Maybe past nine is just . He cut in brusquely Babe , are you sure you're good ? She was really concerned . Now she moved over to his side of the chair and touched his face , babe , by the idea he whispered let's go , I'll drop you off at home before I get both of us in trouble and lose you . Her eyes widened , finally understanding what his concern was .

They had been at this bridge before . She desperately hoped they didn't fall off this time . And with that I welcome you to the second part of Beyond Romance with Ayo Daniels . How did you feel hearing that ? Oh , are you thinking , ayo . Did you feel hearing that ? Oh , are you thinking , oh did you write that , I was .

Speaker 2

I was wondering where you got it . Yes , you wrote it , so it's inside the book I was wondering where you got that from . It's inside the book , and I was not just enjoying it oh , I was good anyway , thank you very much .

Speaker 1

And the second part of beyond romance is this is how we're starting it , let's just see . So you are , benku , pre-marital sex . You know , I like the fact that you did not skirt around this issue , because here you see that poll that you said you want to sit down with .

I know people will say it's Paul that is causing all this marital sex crime , that is because of him , that if Paul did not , it's Paul , that is is because and I'm not even kidding , I have I told you before I have this interesting conversation with people .

They , they believe it's impossible that because of these restrictions but we do know that maybe because he wasn't married

Speaker 2

he wanted to be married . That's why he's for us .

Speaker 1

So so it does happen , even with spiritual people ?

Speaker 2

yes , in fact , it happens more among them than the normal regular people . Are you for real , every day ?

Speaker 1

As a counselor , you can't speak . I heard that . I heard that , yeah , let's go .

Speaker 2

Yeah , so this is my response to that . People underestimated the power of sex and I think one of the ways to get delivered is to recognize that God designed sex for the benefit of mankind . God put the sexual desires in us and only an hypocrite will deny their sexuality .

I say this sometimes to those of us who are married , that when you are having sex with your spouse , what do you think God will be doing ? Because the Bible says he sees all things . Will he be covering his eyes ? So the Bible says he sees all things . Will he be covering his eyes ? The Bible says everything is laid bare before him .

Speaker 1

So what do you ?

Speaker 2

think God will be doing .

Speaker 1

And then when ?

Speaker 2

you look at the 7 billion people and the ones who are married and the ones who are unmarried . God will just create a small screen that I don't want to behold . So people underestimate their sexuality and then to bring it home when two people are planning to get married .

And , as a matter of fact , I say to people if you are not somewhat or somehow attracted to the person you are getting married to , don't marry them . As in abort mission . Abort mission there is nothing , Maybe their nose , maybe their hair , whatever it is that is your own softness or soft spot . You must have something .

Speaker 1

Let me say what Pastor is not trying . Yes , I've got it in person . If your body does not stand , soft spot , you must have something . Let me say what pastor is not right . Yes , I'm very person . If your body does not stand , I bought me shoe . If you don't do what , like Adam did , whoa Can I just put this in yes please .

Speaker 2

I'm not afraid to share my story the first time . I don't know where we were . I think we were doing something and we traveled . I think we were in a space trying to . You know the way they use all this . They prepare . It's not the same way they do in Lagos or in the city when you want to do Amala or Eba or those things .

You have to put the pot in between your leg . You hold it with your leg . So the first time I saw PF was trying to make something , we were all there together . It was on location . I saw a laugh . You know PF now yellow fever . When I saw a laugh , I said , oh boy , you're in trouble . And thank God because at that time the date has been set .

Speaker 1

So I just said okay just say okay , my salvation is near again , we repeat , we repeat do not deny your sexuality .

Speaker 2

Yeah , no , yeah , I think that's what usually gets a lot of people into trouble . They deny it . So an opportunity to be at secluded places together will be an opportunity to explore . There is no need . There is no need to deny yourself .

If you don't have like , let's put it the word that is being used today if you know girl chemistry , may you abort that , as in abort , the mission , just abort .

Speaker 1

God don't lead you , and we know that .

Speaker 2

Uh , I mean you don't they pray , don't lead you . We know that . I mean you don't pray , you don't answer your prayer in every other area . So this one , beyond the leading , you don't see this person . There must be something that I mean just walk with you , you just want to be with them .

And you don't just want to be with them , you won't stretch your hand , touch . So if there is nothing like that , you just say you are in the spirit every time I beg about that mission canal question here .

Speaker 1

Bring it on , can I kiss ?

Speaker 2

so that's , that's a very good question , and because I hear that question every time and and if you read that book , you know that if you go into a restaurant you have the menu list .

Navigating Relationships and Wedding Planning

There are things that they call .

Speaker 1

I like the metaphors you're using , but go ahead , I will bring it home .

Speaker 2

There are what they call Is it taster , or what ? No , no , no .

Speaker 1

Appetizers , appetizers , appetizers . It's not the main meal .

Speaker 2

So if you put it in the context of sexual language , they are called foreplay . No woman will just allow you to just grab them and pin them down , and so there are four plays called four plays , which means kissing , petting a little bit of him , and here and once you are doing that , your body's , your body temperature .

If you don't have , if you don't get , problem . So this is what I say to prevent . If you listen to watch to me , she read because they are starters , good starters for a good , uh , sexual meal . So they are called four .

Please , if you are not ready to play , don't do the for okay , if you're ready to play in the foot rules of engagement , because I'm not .

Speaker 1

I'm not even good at because if I go there we're not finished . Hmm , rules of engagement , and this is where I ? I think this is where the way trying to um , the way trying to find out about their own relationships , um , yeah , have you guys spoken to your parents about the possible date to commence the formal preparations ?

So the story is how they got angry , where Sharon got angry and they were already in some form of therapy . So , yes , I jumped . For those who have not read the book , I'll just quickly tell you what happened . So they had some anger issues as they were trying to find themselves .

So that's where you , where you read through courtship , you read some of the chapters . Let me just run through the chapters quickly so that we can talk about that . So the first chapter says knowing who you are , recognizing your need for help knit , knowing who to marry , friendship , dating and courtship . Guidepost to courtship . We just finished sexuality revealed .

We are now at rules of engagement , where they're trying to set certain rules for themselves . So , forgiveness , is it practiced during courtship or is it a lifelong thing ? Because that's what I wrote in my notes .

Speaker 2

Forgiveness is a lifestyle . So this is the way I would put it it's a nature , it's something we live . It's not just towards the person you want to get married to . It's something we practice on a daily basis , uh , to our friends , family members , colleagues and all that .

The truth is that the closest the , the person who is going to hurt us the most , are the closest people to us , and when you're talking about relationship , that's your spouse . So , uh , it's something that everyone should be practicing on a daily basis , even before you consider a relationship that will lead into marriage . So it's a lifetime thing .

It's actually the nature , and if you are indeed spiritual , you find out that in your relationship with your maker , that is what holds that relationship . It doesn't hold on to your inadequacies , it doesn't hold on to your thoughts . It's something that gives us the confidence to always want to maintain that relationship with him .

So , if you put it in the context of relationship , that's what helps our relationship to grow is there anything unforgivable ? is there anything unforgivable ? As I'm sitting here with you , I'll make this statement boldly there is nothing you and I both .

Yeah , yeah , I said to you even , even for those who are unforgivable adultery is forgivable yeah , you see why he's my pastor .

Speaker 1

What ? What are you trying to say ?

Speaker 2

I know I know people have this law . They quote us that you divorce someone because of adultery . If we look at it in the context , just like in the context of that culture , if a woman commits an adultery , she doesn't commit adultery with herself . If we look at it in the context , just like in the context of that culture .

Speaker 1

If a woman commits an adultery she doesn't commit adultery with herself .

Speaker 2

If a man , in the culture of everywhere , the culture , says a man can do anything and you should forgive him , A woman if she does anything , you should bring her to judgment . So even adultery can be forgiven In most cases . Maybe . Let me say this they say I should not say 100% anymore . Maybe 75% of the time women don't do adultery , it's always men .

Like I said , I used to say 95% , Make that 60 . But the dynamics of what is happening around us today is like what is happening at the Corinthians space . Corinth was a cosmopolitan city . I mean all kinds of things do happen , and these days , with the issue of 30 December and all that , all kinds of things are happening right before our nose .

So you can't . But whatever happens , anything can be forgiven If we choose to . That's the thing .

Speaker 1

It's a decision .

Speaker 2

Otherwise we just get into that space where those people are trying to say for every course , you can easily divorce someone . Every course means the soup is too salty . You have a grant to divorce . The room wasn't properly arranged . You have a grant . And all you just have to say in that culture , is you say it five times , warn the woman .

I'm divorcing you because of this Once you do it five times you are good to go . You don't even need to visit any courts . That's why it was very easy to write a certificate of divorce for that woman At the well of sight , so she just decided not to go to any court to go ? Did she decide to be doing living in ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , alright , so we're going to get to the structure of the book , because we have talked about the serious , serious , so now I can place more so the getting married , the planning of getting married , wedding ceremony and the fest . With me , I was not stressed , you know how you say I cannot relate , I cannot relate .

Speaker 2

On this day of foreshooting , pre-shooting and during shooting after shooting .

Speaker 1

I honestly cannot relate , and I'll tell you why . Pd . Okay . So after we had seen , after we went to see my parents and um and they came in fact they were the ones making the noise we had told I said one year . If they give us anything less than one year to plan , we're not due . It's the truth .

So one full year between when our parents met and the wedding , one year . So by October I was sleeping , I'm not even kidding . By March my dresses were ready and everything . So by October I was sleeping , I'm not even kidding . Like by March my dresses were ready and everything .

So by October we got married in December , by October , everything I know , since we weren't paying for it anyways . So , like I said , I cannot relate , but speak to those that can relate . Like what is the stress about the ceremony , though ?

Speaker 2

So this is a lot of maybe it's cultural , I think preparation sometimes .

So some people see all these glamorous weddings you know what we see every day on TV , on TikTok , on Instagram Just click here and there and everybody I mean human beings we just want to do something unique for ourselves and all that , and behind those unique things , it causes stress for so many people . So everybody wants to do this and all that .

The things that are not . So . That's guide . Yeah , it's simply number one . I like the kind of wedding some people any wedding that is between one person to 250 people that's a moderate wedding . Anything above 200 to like 500 , that is a moderate one . That's a conservative wedding is 1 to 200 , 200 to 350 , 500 , that's a moderate wedding .

Anything above 500 500 is moderate . No , anything above 500 is a societal wedding , so I think the pressure usually comes from how many people ? So you look at your family , the two families , what kind of people they are socially Some of these things are cultural .

So once you look at it , family , the two families , what kind of people they are socially uh , it's , some of these things are cultural . So once you look at it , okay , there are people get involved in the social circles . The next question uh , if you are preparing for a wedding , who pays for what ? In fact , who pays for what ?

We determine the kind of ceremony that you want to have . So , if people can know what are the most essential things when someone is getting married the couple , the program for the wedding the stakeholders once they are there . I mean I've seen all kinds of I've walked through with people all kinds of weddings .

So you are looking for how to save money and there are cancelled in that book how to save money if also the other side to it is . If you want to go all out , there is that principle of planning . I mean , I've gotten involved with couples who even up till the morning of their wedding , the guy is still looking for a tie .

Where to buy a tie , or where to buy a pair of shoes ?

Speaker 1

Bumikuku , is that you ?

Speaker 2

So some of these things you just need to like . I love what you said Give yourself time . So the guide here talks about , I think , about one year year , one year planning session and all that . So 10 to 12 months before for then up to the after the wedding .

So you , it's something that you can really plan out and if you're boxed up , there is also that advice look for a wedding planner and so you just put your legs on the dashboard and enjoy the ride by that's and if you can pay for it . So you just put your legs on the dashboard and enjoy the ride . Why that's ? And if you can pay for it .

So we just with that chapter , just to help people to plan , because it's very important . Most of the time I've seen situation where the two people are getting married . One of them passed out on wedding day as a result of exhaustion , we can just help people to be able to plan Some people , and that's the weddings . personally , that .

I've conducted , that I've enjoyed where we just have few people , that I've enjoyed where we just have few people . I mean nobody . We ask you 10 years after , 20 years , after the kind of ceremonies that you had .

Speaker 1

It's what people are looking for .

Speaker 2

Side note he conducted my wedding , just saying what people are looking for is how you are both growing together and live after 10 , 20 years , 25 years . Uh , you want to uh , what is it called ?

You want to uh , do golden celebration , whatever you want to do , and then you want to do or do a war you can do whatever you want to do with that , all right .

Speaker 1

So the the the thing about again . Like I said , I cannot relate . You remember ? I remember that when I got into the church with my outfit and it's like Tumisha , you look like that was you , tumisha ? You look like a Lord Bishop . What are you wearing ?

Speaker 2

I remember that wedding dress .

Speaker 1

I had a cape it's cut on the blouse , and it was Ankara .

Speaker 2

See , life is not you don't know the interesting thing . Subsequently , I started seeing people playing around with African fabric instead of those white English attire so this goes .

Speaker 1

The question now is the question that we want to ask , or people try to ask is white way , do you know customary way , do you know which one is most important ?

Speaker 2

so this is this is what I will say , because if you read the book , I talked about the culture of everyone . If you look at most African culture or most people in African culture , the state , the state is what ? by the law is the thing that is giving that authority or permission to conduct a wedding .

So if you are getting married in church , which people call white wedding , you are doing that in cooperation with the law of the state .

If you see most of the certificate that is given to people like , for example , in Nigeria , here so that's Advocate Monspea , federal Republic of Nigeria the state has a registry because they need to take the records of all those who are getting married . The state also recognizes customary wedding . So this is what I advise Customary says these two people .

They are committed to each other and they are our witnesses . So their family stands as witnesses . So , from culture to culture , they have the things that they do or they see as wedding and some of those things are actually biblical taking dowry , uh , introduction to people get two families getting to know each other .

And then they go , they have what is called ceremony . Genesis 24 gives us the whole notes of that engagement and all that . It's just for the sake of accountability to say , oh , this person is not mekisedek , who has no family , who has no one .

So , uh , if anything wrong is goes wrong , we know that we can identify these goats or this sheep has an oku on the neck , yeah so those layers of things are layers of just accountability . So what is advice ? In Nigeria , for example , if the two families meet and then you decide to do engagement court wedding , we call it court wedding .

So you go before the stage , you take a note and this stage , the way that is done . You have counselors there , you have things , so they sign up , they issue that certificate directly . You are married . In some of our culture , once you do the customary things , you are also married . You are not helping some people right now .

Speaker 1

I can't tell you because , yeah , because this argument , the argument out there is , once they've done the traditional , the customary , where the father and the dowry has been paid , that there's no need to go to the church . And there's no .

I I don't hear from uh muslims whether they are saying that nikah has to be done or not , but I know that the big joke , the major of the question , is with the church after the customary , customary wedding . So um is still is this going to build on to what the family decide ?

Speaker 2

So this is what I say into that . Whether you realize it or not , in most cultures that I've just said , the state , in most countries the state , is the one who is legally permitted to conduct wedding , because the state has a lot to do with families .

to conduct wedding , because the state has a lot to do with families If you choose to do a church wedding , for example . So this is what happened between the entire interface between the state and the church . So you make you still have to go through making a requisition to the state that you are getting married .

So in most registries it's a 21 days notice , so it's pasted there with your photographs and all that in case anyone has an objection , anyone has something , and then there is taking of an oath , something , and then there is taking of an oath if that person , still within their family , wants a church wedding , so they take that church that is conducting that

wedding must be registered with the state yeah , so the church in the state so they get . They would have given the church the certificate . So just take a slip from the state , from the registry , to the church . That they can do .

Speaker 1

Which is what I did .

Speaker 2

Or the other one is what is called church blessing . Whichever one the people want to do , after they have done the registry they can come where the ministers pray over them and bless their new

Preparing for the Wedding Night

home . So , but there is to avoid the complications and the questions and all that , because what you have happening most of the time is a question Someone has gone to do customary wedding and is hoping that he will do church wedding in another one year . You are just delaying what is not . So why not do the ceremony ?

Let it be back to back so that you don't have to wait , because I know that there are questions ? So why not do the ceremony ? Let it be back to back so that you don't have to wait , because I know that there are questions . So can I sleep with my husband ? Can ?

Speaker 1

I sleep with my wife After doing customary , so why just avoid that ?

Speaker 2

Even if you don't have money for church service and all those receptions , once you are coming from the registry , let your pastor just bless you and go married if you , if you now want to do any ceremony after , is is going to be regarded as church blessing it's not a wedding ceremony all right , beyond romance with ayo daniels , see , let me tell you , of course

, if you've listened to mindfully , to michelle long enough , you know that I am particular about parenting .

Speaker 1

You know I am particular about farming , and this conversation in this book is just , you know , the because if the see , let me tell you , if the family is , the foundation of family is off , your mental health is off , your mental health is off and most of us who are wounded soldiers right now , the question started from our stories of origin , you're right .

So the , the goal here is we want to , we want to lead , uh , an army of the healed right , an army of the healed . It stops here . It stops with you . We are starting and this is I would . I would love for you to believe the way I believe , but no , this is not just because of the way I believe , but it stops here . It stops here with you .

If you don't want your children sitting on the proverbial chair of the psychiatrist , my psychiatrist friends that will be saying hi , do you want to send that out ? No , I'm not sending out what you still have . People , not everybody , will be healed .

That's the uncomfortable truth , yeah , but if you aren't listening to this , you have the opportunity , the privilege to begin to work if you've not had , if you don't have a relationship yet , please get beyond romance . If you have a relationship already , get , get Beyond Romance . If you're already married , get Beyond Romance .

Because , yeah , I read it , though , like I said , there's some parts I couldn't relate , like , see , let me tell you something . My husband and I left the people that were partying at the party . So if you put that onto Patin , we left , you put it onto Patin . You know , again , we're going to get to the structure of the book .

Of course , the way we were speaking , you know that he was very , very instrumental into my relationship and , hey , I had to bring him here full circle , 18 years , no . So what Beyond Romance is is like a checklist , or a checklist of what you could do from before , during and after .

And the fun part I'm going to get to in a moment , because I was trying to ask should I do this , should I do that ? I will do it the first night . It's inside the book the first night night , how to navigate the first night why not the wedding ceremony ? the first night .

The first night , let's talk about it , and there's a lot of layers to the first night . There are people who who married virgins and there are people who I mean in 2024 , 2025 yeah , there's two people , and there are people who did not marry virgins by virtue of a lot of things . It could be by virtue of rape or their own personal decisions .

There are couples who marry one person who is a virgin , the other person is not , so there's plenty of things going on on the wedding night . Take the mic .

Speaker 2

So the wedding night it's something that we all need to prepare for , because in the midst of the ceremony a lot of people become anxious . So this is the way it is . So you find a case of where two people are experts Let me use that word .

Speaker 1

So that's a category of people .

Speaker 2

So you have another case where someone is an expert , the other person is a novice . You have another case where the two people there are novice . They don't even know Jack . So this is the thing in preparing for wedding . Uh , this is one of the things I recommend for people .

Uh , access cancelling uh I mean some of is highly recommended in these rules of engagement . One of the things you need to do once you you know that this person looks like someone I want to share my life with , start counselling and there are professional counsellors now who can actually help to provide that soft landing .

So that's where you get healed from the family of origin that you've mentioned , from the family of origin that you've mentioned . That's where you can have you look forward to many things . So , if you have a professional counselor working with that couple , one of the topics in premarital counseling session will be on sex , will be on , probably , how to prepare .

There are some couples who don't want to have start having kids immediately . Such pre-marital counseling will help you . This is what you to do . A lot of people , for example , just get on family planning plans . That wasn't recommended by doctors .

It's also very dangerous so dangerous in the sense that once the wedding is getting closer , your counsellor will probably help you . I have a discussion with a doctor to help you be able to get yourself . What are the options that are available in terms of family planning ? I've had a couple who said , oh , we won't have kids until two years .

The very first night they scored the goal . So you just have to be informed . That's the thing . And the other one was saying , ah , just like that , he's just one . I said , well , what were you expecting ? So , if that is the case ? So handling that first night . So you also mentioned the category of people and all that .

There are people who didn't have sex before they get married . We call some who are virgins , so that's primary virginity . Those who stayed away even though they've not had sex for a while , that's secondary virginity . So in whatever category , there is full of anxiety that night .

So the best way is to , and during counseling session they would have mentored that person . If I want to give anybody any gift , if I have to take them to , I give you KY jelly . It's a good lubricant .

Speaker 1

Yes , my pastor said KY jelly .

Speaker 2

In fact , I can put it in your jacket , my goodness . Just put it in your inner pocket , and all that because that's good , so that calms the anxiety . And then the premarital counseling would have just treat you on how to go about it .

You don't , um , one of the things that I recommend to people , uh , when they are preparing to get married for the man you read every woman it's a medical book , every woman it's . It's something you need to understand . The physiology of a woman .

It's not , forgive me , the front is not , you are not just pressing like a ball of that , so you must know the physiology of a woman .

Speaker 1

Oh , my goodness .

Speaker 2

How to get her in the mood . So all these things add up together is not , is not , it's not not . It's something that we must . And then sex is an art a-r-t . It means as we practice it we become better at it . And once you just practice , you start out . You ask yourself questions I mean women , men .

You ask yourself you're married , where do you like to be touched , what turns you off , and all that . So open your heart . Sex is on heart . You learn it , you cultivate it , you become better at it . So , handling the first night , if before you kick the ball you already scored off , you already scored . So it's part of the learning experience .

And then if you know that you are anxious I put that in that book If you know that you are very anxious , you don't have to have sex the first night . If you are tired and exhausted , just skip it to the following morning . And for your information , Ali and the morning sex are sweeter than any other .

Speaker 1

Hallelujah somebody . I'm so sorry , guys , but hey , I'm not sorry . We need to heal , yes , and the foundation to healing is finding the right person , being the right person so that you can find the right person , and enjoy the show .

Speaker 2

That's the thing I need to let you know .

Speaker 1

Oh , this was interesting . This was fun . This was fun . So if you were going to I don't want to use last words , sorry , I'm Yoruba , like that- but you know they say that the last word of a person is carries more weight .

Speaker 2

I remember when we were going to secondary school after they finished packing all our boxes my father would call you . See , come for the last word , and there's only one last sentence ronti o mweni ti okay .

Speaker 1

So if you want to say a run to your money too on the show right now , remember the child of whom you are , what would you be saying ? Marriage is good .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I can say that to you . It doesn't matter the experiences of people around us . Marriage is good , marriage is God-ordained for the benefit and welfare of mankind . It's easy to tell if anyone is enjoying their marriage . So if marriage is good , marriage is God-ordained , then marriage is like a garden . You need to cultivate it .

You don't need to leave that garden . If you leave any garden without cultivating it , bushes and all that they grow up , they'll share the nutrients . So there are many distractions .

If there are resolve issues , bitterness , anger , backbiting , in whatever form things we sweep under the carpet , it will not allow us to heed ourselves , to be able to enjoy our marriage . The first three years in the life of any newly married couple , it's very important those three years .

If people don't pay close attention , those are the things that all those unresolved issues are , the things that become the force that eventually break such homes . If you listen to married couples who divorce after so many years , they usually make references to the things that happen at the onset of their marriage , which is the first three years .

It's a storming period of their marriage , which is the first three years . It's a storming period . But what does a sufferer do ? He watches the wave and uses that wave to glide into victory . So marriage is good . Irrespective of what we've been made to believe , it's still the best institution ordained by God for the welfare and happiness of mankind .

Speaker 1

Okay , so we are rounding this off and we are going back the first one . You were saying that you wanted to speak with Paul and all that . What is the best compliment you've ever received and why did it stick with you ?

Speaker 2

The best compliment and I get it every time . Thank you for being part of our journey oh , that's so beautiful .

Speaker 1

Okay , what is one habit or ritual you absolutely cannot skip in your daily life ? Can you take that again ? What is one habit or ritual that you cannot skip ?

Speaker 2

Every day .

Speaker 1

Mm-hmm .

Speaker 2

Showing kindness . Kindness to at least one person .

Speaker 1

If your life were a book , what would be the title ?

Speaker 2

Love personified oh , oh .

Speaker 1

What's the most unexpected lesson life has taught you so far ? Life is transient if you could master any skill or talent , what would that be ? Piloting . I'm not shocked . All the metaphors today has been pilots , Okay . So what is the quickest thing that you do that nobody not me , not PFFT , not PJ knows .

Speaker 2

Upset with people who are nasty on the road . It may surprise you so when I'm driving sometimes and then someone is just behaving funny . So I speak out , Not road rage , but I just speak out why is this person behaving this way and people will say they can't even hear you . Their glasses are warmed up so they can't even hear what you are saying .

Speaker 1

But it upsets me a lot when people do nasty things on the road and finally , I promise finally , my brother , what is the piece of advice you would give to your younger self ?

Speaker 2

discover who you are pretty much Harley and then live your life to to the full the things you've discovered about yourself .

Speaker 1

Alright , yeah , thank you . So very much . Thank you for coming on Mindfully with Tumishe , the podcast Get Yourself Beyond Romance the link to get it is going to be in the show's description and , of course , follow Ayo Daniel's on socials , on Instagram , on threads . I think Facebook too , but I don't think he's on .

Speaker 2

Don't worry . Then I have a gift for people . I'm going to give you 10 copies of Beyond Romance , so I don't know if you want to throw out a quiz there .

Speaker 1

Whatever you need to do with those 10 copies . The community I have a community set that we share with the community . Thank you so much .

Speaker 2

I'll give them up to you .

Speaker 1

All right . Thank you , p Joe , for being the wingman . Appreciate it . Love yourself , love your neighbor , love this country . Above all of this , love God . He is the essence of your being . I am Uluwazimishe Oladakwakuku . Until next time , live your life Beyond romance . Yeah , I'll be so far away .

Promise you'll wait for me , I'll go , take off you every day , my love .

Transcript source: Provided by creator in RSS feed: download file
For the best experience, listen in Metacast app for iOS or Android