Welcome to episode 345 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast recorded live on August 1st, 2023. This is a show about Microsoft 365 and Asher from the perspective of it pros and end users where we discuss a topic or recent news and how it relates to you. We are back this week with some more updates from Inspire as we discuss Microsoft 365 backup and Microsoft 365 archive. Hopefully both services coming to a Microsoft 365 tenant near you later this year.
We also spend a little more time discussing Microsoft 365 co-pilot licensing. Now that we've had a little more time to noodle on it, everything's recording and we're ready to go and nobody's here to celebrate with us. And. You're recording an O B SS and your pro caster. And my pro caster. Okay. But my screen caster, whatever this my, my stream deck buttons are broken. I think my add-in crashed , my MIDI stuff is not showing up on my stream deck today.
Ah, that's all right. I broke home assistant earlier today. That was interesting. Did you update it or did you just randomly decide to break it? No. I updated it. I decided to do some new stuff with some helpers and some groups and things like that. And you know, ya ML'S hard and it doesn't always validate the YAML the right way. and then tries to load plugins that don't exist and you haven't backed
up your YAML configuration and blah blah blah. You know, like you gotta have backups so that you can restore from your backups to make life easier. I have a video here that I have not gone and watched, but it is all about, it's share your home assistant configs on GitHub automatically. But if you set it up with like a private repo essentially you can back up your home assistant stuff to GitHub automatically. Maybe you should go do that. Maybe it's gotta be like minimal effort though.
at this point it's easier for me just to like log into the NASS or S S H it and and play around with uh, just you know, VI or something like that and try and bang my head. How do you save a file again? Oh yeah. Escape bang q oh no . Something like that. Uh. It's the thing I tell you. Any who Anyw who I tried to lead you into it, backup spend backups. It's important to have backups so that you can restore, restore. From. That's backup. Backup backups. So you know what I do today?
I completely missed that. That's what happens when we record on a Tuesday. That's the first of the month and I've got invoicing and end of the month stuff and beginning of the month stuff and all that on my mind. But backups is indeed a thing and up until now if you want it to back up, well not up until now, up until later this year, if you wanted to back up Microsoft 365, it was very much a third party effort product, what have you.
And now as of inspire, welcome to Microsoft Inspire 2023 introducing Microsoft 365 backup and Microsoft 365 archive. Scott, we have some new options here for not only backing up data in Microsoft 365 but you know that expensive SharePoint storage. We talk so frequently about when people do things like try to migrate file shares into SharePoint and try to pull all of their data because data retention just isn't necessarily a thing. Yeah.
Now we are going to eventually, hopefully 'cause there's not really pricing on this, but have a new Microsoft 365 backup service providing recovery of OneDrive, SharePoint and exchange at unprecedented speeds for large volumes of data with a restore service level agreement while keeping it all within Microsoft 365. So backup SharePoint sites, OneDrive accounts, exchange mailboxes, restore, said things, search and filter. Scott, do you know why they can achieve unprecedented speeds?
because they don't have to rely on the a P I that all the third parties do. Yes and no I, I don't know. I mean they may, I don't know what they're doing but . So if you go back and you watch the Inspire session for this one, uh, they do call out that backup partners have access to the same set of APIs. But typically what happens when you're using a Microsoft 365 or O 365 backup provider is they are backing
up your contents someplace else. Like yeah it could be in Azure, it could be in a w s could be in a data center someplace, but it's going. Out. It's not like. To someone else's premises. Yeah. Which could give you warm fuzzies, right? There's the whole like rule of three with backups, you know like right, you know, I should have one here, I should have one over there and I should have one offsite.
And that generally like works out okay. So if, if I was a backup vendor, I don't know that I'm like sitting here and shaking my boots and going like ooh, I have no value that I can offer to customers because there's tons of value in just saying like I've egress your data out of Microsoft's data centers or I've egress it out of that tenant so that it potentially does exist in
another place elsewhere. And, and there could be value there for some segment of customers but for those who are like all in the ecosystem, you know, this is something I think customers have been asking for for a long time. Like it's been a space that's been traditionally filled by partners and ISVs and now Microsoft is kind of dipping their toe in the water and saying like, Hey let us have a go at this and, and I think it's good to see kind of cross categorical services in
here. So things like SharePoint sites, your OneDrive for business accounts which are SharePoint sites. So good job Microsoft. Yeah like you keep calling any different things but they're the same thing. And then exchange mailboxes and kind of having one stop shopping to get out. All of that is good.
The other good thing that comes along with this is a restoration time SS l a. So there's going to be a hard SS l a that you'll be able to measure Microsoft against when it comes to restoration times for these things. Which is something that can be a little bit iffy with some of the third party backup stuff. Like you just don't know like are they gonna be throttled by a given a p I surface, something like that. And you know it, it is what it is, right? Uh,
but it can be detrimental. So I, I think in this case like if there was anything that was like secret sauce, it's like hey, Microsoft already already had your it's already store. Yeah Microsoft already had your primary data. They can kind of choose the best place to co-locate your backup data and also the best medium to store that backup data on to meet those restoration SLAs so they have in place and then they can just offer that to you as a service. Like you said ,
no pricing yet to be announced. So we'll see where that one goes. I really wonder over time like just how much more money Microsoft can kind of squeeze out of existing customers since it seems like growth has plateaued a little bit in the surfaces. Like they, they grow but they're not growing by leaps and bounds. It's more incremental compared to what it used to be. Right? Yeah. I'm curious to see pricing. I use a third party right now to back up.
So I back up teams SharePoint and that's the one thing that's not mentioned in here interestingly is teams but they are backing up exchange and a lot of conversations are there. So teams may be kind of sorta in here a little bit ish, but my third party, I'm 99% sure that mine goes out to a w s for a backup. Going back to your scenario of it's not necessarily in a
Microsoft data center, it's out in a W s but it is slower. And to your point, if they had to restore and now I'm pulling out of a W s, I don't know what kind of speeds they have coming out of a W Ss how quick it is to write back in that type of stuff. To your point, it does say in here too that these partners can start leveraging, it sounds like this is going to be an update to the backup APIs, some changes to the backup APIs to achieve these
speeds kind of across the board. 'cause it does say by leveraging these APIs, partner apps can deliver the same unprecedented backup and restore speeds. Again, it does kind of depend on to your point, where is it coming out of? Do they back it up to colo that they owned? Did they back it up to a w s, did they back it up to G C P and what is that speed that you can achieve going in and out of something like that versus in and out of a Microsoft data center. Yeah.
Interesting times ahead. I think we'll see it. It'll be good to see how pricing falls out on this one. One other thing that they did offer here and it, it was kind of it, it was weird the way they were announced 'cause they, they kind of were both together in the same keynote and blog post. They also announced the Microsoft 365 archive service. Yeah. This one I'm actually more excited about than backup.
Yeah like like this is good, this is effectively in place cold or cool, cool to coldish data storage for you.
So as you have data that's becoming inactive, just like you might take an object in like a blob storage account and move it from hot to cool to cold to archive like as it extends its life and as you access it less frequently and you realize kind of the niceties that come along with the cost savings of saying hey this is infrequently accessed so let me move it to a cooler tier of storage kind of thing.
You can do the same thing over in Microsoft 365 now or soon anyway soon co coming to a tenant near you in the second half of 2024 maybe. Yes. Depending on, depending on the functionality you need . Right? I was gonna say sort of and this one I think I'm more excited about. 'cause again third parties, there's a lot of, there's backup options out there. Backup, restore, archive, we've talked about this before.
Like SharePoint storage is not inexpensive especially when you compare it to something like Azure blob storage and even more so if you get into the cool and the cold storage, it's expensive. And I've run into this with clients of my own where I mean we're getting on what we're approaching 12 ish, 13 years now where Office 365 and SharePoint online have been a thing. It's been a hot minute. Now. Yeah, I think there are some archive solutions out there.
But really for the everyday customer, I think especially SMBs, I have some customers that are 25, 30 employees. They don't have a ton of SharePoint storage 'cause they're only have 30 licenses plus the one terabyte. I absolutely have customers buying additional SharePoint storage because they have data from 2011, 2012, 2013 that they wanna keep around. They don't wanna mess with do we just go download this outta SharePoint? We don't really want to go pay for a third party.
This will be really nice where you can start hopefully along with like retention labels and purview and some of that and theory. This is kind of me crossing my fingers and hoping that you can like set off tiered type of archiving what's content hits a certain age. You have like group reviews now around deleting groups and that type of stuff that some of this archiving will come into play there.
And you'll be able to more cheaply store older content in a place that it could be restored to SharePoint. And some of the other things they say is you still maintain like the admin level search when you start doing e-discovery cases, it'll still remain some of the sensitivity labels, D L P access control settings. You keep all of that other functionality while still being able to archive these
off. Like you said, site level archiving it sounds like is gonna be maybe close to when backup comes out. They say the initial re release of Microsoft 365 arch Archive provides site level archiving. File level archiving will be available next year. And then in another part they say file level archiving will be in the second half of 2024. So 12 ish months. The backup public preview will be Q four of 2023.
So hopefully in the next three or four months here. So. Yeah, it's uh, the wording kind of throws me off in this one and it's probably because we just launched a new tier of storage called cold And for us, like in blob storage cold is an online tier and this really sounds like an archive, like an almost like an offline ish kind of thing. Like inaccessible to you and and your users and day-to-day kinds of things.
But once the indices are populated for things like D L P content search, all that, like great, they maintain those indices. So you can continue to search, find that data potentially rehydrated if needed. This will be another one of those like it'll be interesting to see what reactivation looks like. Like is it truly like an offline storage medium? Is it something that takes like hours to restore a site?
Like is it quicker to back up your site and then delete it and then just retain the backup and restore the backup with that unprecedented speed or, and you'll miss that on the indices and things like that for content search. But like maybe that's okay or is it easier for you to do archive and send things down that path. So I don't know. And another interesting thing about these, I I don't know if you kind of caught this one.
So both of these newer service announcements, so Microsoft 365 backup and Microsoft 365 archive. They're under the syntax branding and under syntax management, which I thought was kind of interesting. Like you go and you look for these things and the way you actually land is like, you know, if you're on like the Microsoft adoption site like [email protected], you're on Microsoft dot uh adoption at microsoft.com/syntex and it's totally part of that hierarchy,
which is different . Yeah. I don't know how it ended up under the syntax banner but you know. I don't know either. I have some theories 'cause it's also interesting that in the announcement itself, like it talked, it doesn't mention syntax and the title, it's all Microsoft 365 backup archive. But then it says like Microsoft syntax announced last fall AI stuff, recent syntax innovations are O C R at content assembly and plugins for co-pilot volume grows. And then it talks about backup an archive.
But I don't think it mentions syntax anywhere else except when you start getting under the partner stuff. Now here's my theory around this is I also believe, and I'm looking for it to pull it up now, licensing for Syntex, that's what I was looking for. Microsoft Syntax is an add-on Microsoft per user licenses as of July 1st, 2023 are no longer available for purchase. But you'll need to set up pay as you go billing.
This is the only service I know of that's pay as you go other than there's some Dataverse stuff now in the power platform. But I think Microsoft 365 syntex is the only pay as you go licensing infrastructure thing. And I'm wondering if that's part of it. If by rolling it under Syntex, maybe they're gonna take advantage of pay as you go and you're gonna get pay as you go pricing for archiving and backup versus buying like SharePoint online, you, it's not really pay as you go, right?
You buy it per gigabyte per month. If they can structure this where based on how much content you pay based on backup content and archived content, maybe there's just some billing, I don't, I don't know if you'd call it billing infrastructure or billing constructs that are there for syntax. And by rolling it under there they can take advantage of that. Your. Guess is as good as mine. We shall see. That's just some wild speculations based on that recent change.
And I kind of missed that, that as of July 20, July 1st, 2023, that they pulled the per user licenses from syntax that it is only pay-as-you-go now for syntax. Yeah. I think the other thing too is, you know, there's segment of customers who probably looks at things like this and says like, Ooh, great, you've got APIs and you can build this service yourself. And you're saying you're working with all these partners, like what can I just go sling myself?
Like maybe I need like my ideal minimal backup product is different than what's offered by Microsoft. And it looks like these APIs like 'cause they are locked behind syntax and you've got different ones for backup and archive. They're going to be kind of either Microsoft first or partner driven. So they do go into detail like, hey inspire's a partner event first of all. So you gotta like keep that in mind too. But they go into, hey,
here's how to join our content AI program. Microsoft, you know, tends to see a lot of value derived from partners. And partners can certainly grow healthy businesses on top of Microsoft services. Like that's all kind of proven out. So you know, like there, there's a path potentially to go down and join something like the content AI partner program.
The reality is like all the regular folks who you think of at least in the backup and archive space, so Veeam, Commvault, AV Point, Barracuda, Rubrik, you know, they're all ready all in there and ready to go. Yep. Like I would anticipate, I don't know if they'll have it for public preview, but as soon as this hits general availability sounds like a lot of these partners will have something in place or be really close to having
something in place. And to your point, it's not like small partners that are doing this. These are well-known partners in that backup space. We'll see where it all lands out. But uh, but I'm looking forward to it. I I wonder how Microsoft can be competitive. Like most of the, back to the pricing thing, like most of the partners are gonna be a couple bucks per user per month depending on workloads and what's backed up.
And I don't imagine many of them changing their pricing meaningfully unless they like really need to because the a p i pricing is atrocious in some way, shape or form. Like everybody see Reddit and the crap they pulled this year , you know, like, like that's a possibility. Yeah. But we'll see where it all fans out more to come in 2024.
Do you think Microsoft will be able to take advantage, like going back to pricing of this, that a lot of partners do per user that Microsoft will do back to the pay as you go, like per gigabyte of backup and they don't, they won't care how many users are there. I.
Don't know. I don't know. It seems easier to be in the per user, per month model and just let it ride that way because that's the way the rest of your tenant is purchased and set up at this point with, you know, just a couple of side services, like additional SharePoint space, things like that per user per month is something easy. Customers rock it, they get it. If the value's there, the value's there and you'll pay for it. Like copilot. .
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Okay. In that case, moving on. I actually don't either. I don't know, do you really wanna talk about that or do you wanna talk about other news? We can mention like you and I have been going back and about back and forth about it briefly. So like for me there's a ton of value in some of these co-pilots.
Like I use GitHub co-pilot every single day just about, so for the per user per month price of GitHub co-pilot, you know, if you consider my salary and other things like it's a no brainer to spend a couple hundred bucks a year and get somebody a co-pilot to go ahead and help them do their job. Like if that's the way it comes in.
If it's an employee who's paid a hundred thousand per year and they can get a 20% increase in productivity from a co-pilot, like would it be worth spending 20 k a year, you know, per user to get that benefit? Like if you could consistently get it, I bet there would be some organizations that would pay for it, but you know, it's still only like 10 20% of you know, that person's total cost to you, whatever it happens to be.
The thing that I keep coming back to with the Office 365 and M 365 copilot pricing is the additive cost on top of an E five. So if you're just looking at retail pricing in the, in the us so an Office 365 E five is what? 37 30 $8? Like it's not too bad. It's reasonable office. Yes. Office not Microsoft. Yeah. Great. So, so it comes with everything you need, right? It comes with SharePoint and OneDrive for business and you get Exchange and Outlook and all the desktop apps and,
and all the things you throw copilot on top of that. Like, sorry, but $30 per user per month, that's 79% of the cost of my base license. Like is it worth 79% of my cost to go and license a copilot for somebody? Like, I don't know, like that feels like a lot to me. And then even if you go up to the Microsoft 365 E five, which is 57 per user per month, you are still greater than 50%. You're like 52, 50 3% of the cost. It's just like an insane number for me to wrap my head around.
Like I keep wondering like, am I gonna get 53% of the value out of that thing? Like I have to be using it not just every day. I have to be using it all the time. and I, like, I've really gotta be leaning into it heavily. And I don't know that's the part that I'm really having trouble like rationalizing, like I keep putting on like my finance hat and like, okay great, I've gotta go explain to my leadership like why this is valuable, why we should get it.
Like here's all like the whizzbang things and sometimes like they make it easy, right? Like I, I could make a huge argument for backup kind of regardless of the cost 'cause it's an important thing. Are copilots important? I don't know. And then like, is the value there like D B D I really gotta see it and it's gotta be one of those like just magical experiences. Like it's gotta be way better than like demoware, vaporware,
like whatever we've seen so far. Like if, if that's the experience that Microsoft wants us to have, like that better be the experience and then some, and then maybe it's worth it. I think that's going to be the big selling point. 'cause to your point playing a little bit of, I guess maybe the devil's advocate here is Microsoft 365, E three, E five.
It is a lot compared to those for what you get. Like you said, I mean E fives, you're getting power bi, you get audio conferencing, you get SharePoint exchange teams, you get all the security features, you get all the extra logging. There's a lot of stuff in an E five and for this to be an additional 30 on top of it. Do you get that?
Now I also get what I th this is the way I think Microsoft is gonna try to sell it and looking at some of the demos, like you go into a Word document and they do it in a loop component and they say draft a proposal for this company based on this template. And it goes in and fills out that entire document. That entire draft proposal puts in company information based on meeting notes, puts stuff in the right place in the template if that actually works. I mean maybe $360 a year at 30 bucks a
month. I mean let's say you're paying someone, the hard part is this is gonna affect admins. Let's say I'm paying an admin 15 bucks an hour, maybe they're a really good admin and I'm paying them 30 bucks an hour and they're drafting 20 proposals a month for me. And now they can draft 60 proposals or 80 proposals and save themselves five or six days worth of time. I think that's the angle you take, but it still feels very expensive compared to what you're paying now for your licensing.
And I don't know how easy that is necessarily to rationalize, okay, they're saving that much time, but are they actually actually getting more stuff done? Like what is that extra time now being filled with? Is it actually being filled with productive stuff or I don't know, I am, I'm still with you. It feels like a lot for what you're gonna get. You have to like, these are still large language models. Like they're not magic. They're. Not gonna be perfect outta the box.
It's computer science and it feels magical, but it's not like you still gotta go do your research, you gotta finish things up. Like would I love it if I could have like copilot write all my, like PRDs for me, like, like my, my product requirement documents. Like absolutely. But the reality is like I'm still gonna have to go check all that stuff. I'm gonna have to rewrite it anyway and put it in my voice so it doesn't seem
like an AI came out of it. So I like sometimes is this like, it's just like I just go do it myself, , it'd be easier. That's like that. That's okay. So yeah, I, I don't know. We'll see. I really wanna get hands on with to, I think that's gonna be a big thing to, to figure it out.
Like I need to have that just like mind blown moment for hey, this is how it works and it all comes together and because it has crawled and has access to and predefined meta, meta prompts around all of the data in my tenancy, like that's great, right? Like all security trimmed, all those things. Like we'll see what it can do. And maybe that's where the magic of some things like even like, like being chat, like g PT four with plugins and things like that.
Like you and I have both been playing around with like open AI and just token usage and like pay as you go and things like that. Like it's okay, it has a tendency to hallucinate and give it disinformation a whole bunch. And, and that's just because of the corpus of data that it's built on top of which I, I I get. So we'll see how it goes when it can respond back with your data, right?
Like does it bring you like that true tribal knowledge of like, hey, here's the culture of your business and here's the process and how things are documented and we can kind of give that back to you in a consistent way. Like if, if that's what happens, I'm all in, right? Like I like.
Is it gonna have the data though to learn like I look at my tenant, do I truly have enough data in my tenant going back on the other side of it, I can argue both sides of this pretty effectively, Scott, is it gonna have enough data in my tenant to actually learn anything from my tenant? Because large language models relies on quantities of data
to actually understand it. And I guess I've even looked at it from the podcast, like you said, we've been playing with some of the a p I stuff, the tokens and doing that. I actually take a transcript of our podcast and I take the whole audio from the whole 30, 45 minutes or whatever, feed it into G P T 3.5, turbo 16 K. 'cause I need that much space to fit that much text in .
I haven't tried it with G P T four yet. 'cause I can't get, I don't have access to G P T four anywhere either in open AI or in Azure. And I like ask it to summarize our entire transcript. And to your point, I look at it and I'm like, eh, it's okay, but I absolutely have to go fix stuff. There was one of ours I did recently and I was like, uh, that's just flat out wrong.
Like I know where it pulled the different bits of information from in the context of the podcast, but the way it summarized the bits of information it pulled together was just wrong. And everything we talk about on the podcast is out there on the internet.
I don't know what they use to train it, but all the Microsoft services, all of that, you would think it would be able to understand the podcast a lot better in the topics we covered and not hallucinate about the flow of our conversation or the summary of those topics. Then I go back to thinking about, well my tenant, I have very minimal information in it compared to what they've trained these with already.
Is it going to be that intelligent or will it be able to take what it's learned from other data and kind of mash it all together? But then how accurate is it'll be like you said, I really need to see it. It's tough. I think you, you need to like take a step back and kind of disambiguate like the models themselves and then the capabilities of the systems that like actually tie it all together. So Microsoft 365 copilot will not be trained on your
data. Like they're, they're already trained models. Like they're out there, they're ready to go. What it does is by having access to your data, you're able to give the prompts context. So just like you're doing, generating the transcription for the podcast and then putting it in like the AI model like G P T three five in that case that you've used mm-hmm. , like it doesn't know your podcast from like a fart in the wind.
Like it just doesn't, right? Like the, but it has context and you've provided it the context and then it has all of the training that it had on whatever corpus it was built on. So it kind of mashes those things two things together and spits it out the other side. So that's what I'm saying, like these things need to be fricking magical, right? like, like when, like when they come out to get it.
'cause if all of a sudden you crank it out and you turn it on and you go like, oh wow, this thing is just a bunch of gibberish or disinformation because your business maybe doesn't have the right context in it, right? Like you like the context of say like the way your documents are written, maybe it doesn't mash with, you know, that large language model, which is really what's happening.
Like when you're pumping in that transcript and you're saying, summarize this for me, it's taking a look and it's saying like, okay great, you gave me some context, but it turns out I really don't know much about any of this stuff.
So here you go, here's a response back. And then, you know, you might, here's the best I can do and you might give an additional prompt and feed it through more and more and more like, so we'll have to see like there's a whole bunch, like I've, I've been trying to kind of play around and take some courses on the side on just prompt engineering to kind of figure some of that stuff out.
And it's really interesting like the more time you spend with some of the large language models, like, you know, I really wanna go play with like llama two one now just announced with Meta and Microsoft as well just to kinda see like where it sits and, and where it compares. But like you, you run into this pretty consistent like formulaic thing, right? Of like, okay great, I need to provide a prompt. So the very first thing we need to do is set some context.
We additionally need to set some tone. We also need to give some guidance around like desired outputs, right? Like what are my desired outcomes here? And once you've started going down that path, like some of these like prompt you know, mazes that you start going down, they get pretty complex and pretty involved. And if Microsoft has kind of solved some of that for the everyday person, like I'd be happy not to have to do those things every single time.
Like , I, I'm kind of over having to type in like, hey, use this tone, pretend you're, you know, blah blah blah with this many years of experience, right? You know, give your answer in this particular framework or this particular format. Like if I didn't have to do that every time, like yeah, that'd be awesome , like that might actually save me. That'd nice.
Save me a bunch of time back to like, hey, is it worth the money? Like maybe, so the magic sauce is gonna have to be in the meta prompts, the ability to kind of pull that information in and provide enough context to you, the backend engine and then spit it out to us as users on the other side, which I'm all about, like I said, like I, I've seen, you know, from some of the demos things like, hey, just add a loop component and go ahead and, and like you said,
like draft a response to this R F P based on our meeting notes from yesterday and you just pointed over to the OneNote where you went and you talked about that R F P and wrote down all your notes with your sales team and your product team and yeah. You know, and delivery and everybody who needed to be involved in that process. Like if it can do that, great , right? Uh, but.
But do all my meeting notes have to be in the right format and like I know my meeting notes, sometimes I have to go back and retype them for me to even understand them, let alone for AI to understand what I talked about . But again, maybe if I go back and retype 'em, clean 'em up a little bit and then I can generate the R F P based on some cleaned up meeting notes. I don't know, uh. You know, there, there's always a chance.
I think that's the initial, that's the initial feedback is your initial point. Like at 30 bucks a month, that's almost the same price as a Microsoft 365 E three, it's, there's nothing that even comes close to being that much of an increase on top of your bill that they've introduced. It just feels like a lot of money, especially if you're a big company that has 10,000 employees and all of a sudden now you're looking at spending $300,000 to at ai I to your tenant, uh. Yeah.
A month, sorry, $300,000 a month. We'll see where. Three point where it falls out million, I think it's really gonna be worth it for some people. I think some people are gonna hop on the train and and potentially be disappointed early on just in some of the capabilities or lack thereof. I do worry that you kinda like you burn customer credit there .
'cause you're gonna want them to come back and, and you know, for the most part, like once you're into a lot of these SaaS products, like it's not just Microsoft stuff. Like there's other sassy things that I pay for as well and like I'm very happy to do it because they bring me a bunch of value. But if that derived value isn't there upfront and like they lose you, like, I don't know, when do you come back? Like what do they do it when you back over?
It's hard. It's, it's super hard, right? Once you've turned it out that way. So we'll see. It's the whole trust thing. It's a whole lot easier to lose trust than it is to gain it back. And I think that's some of this is once you lose trust in that co-pilot, can you get it back and hopefully it'll be good enough that no one will and I will absolutely be one of those that signs up for it as soon as I can get
it and we'll test it out. But with that, Scott, I don't have a co-pilot telling me I have a meeting, but I have calendar announcements and appointments and alerts bleeping in my ear and telling me that I need to go to a meeting. Yeah. Yeah it is. Uh, it's one of those things that happens, huh? Yes. Now if I could, here's an now co-pilot.
If I could send a co-pilot to the meeting and have the meeting for me and use my voice and use prompts for my other meetings to conduct the meeting for me and then deliver the notes to me, that might be worth paying for. Yeah, there you go. I don't know we'll, we'll see how that one, uh, uh, we'll see how that one pans out for you. Robot meeting Robot Ben, instead of the Gilfoyle bot. . Uh, there you go. Hopefully.
Oh man. All right with that, Scott, I will let you go get back to catching up on email and I am going to go attend a meeting. All right, well thanks Ben, I appreciate it. All. Right, thanks Scott. Yep. We'll talk to you later this week. Yep. Bye-bye. If you enjoyed the podcast, go leave us a five star rating in iTunes. It helps to get the word out so more it pros can learn about Office 365 and Azure.
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