Welcome to episode 332 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast. Recorded live on April 28th, 2023. This is a show about Microsoft 365 and Asher from the perspective of it pros and end users where we discuss a topic or recent news and how it relates to you. Today is the day we follow up on our promise from last week to talk about Microsoft 365 co-pilot. Over the last month, it seems there have been announcements about co-pilot coming to nearly every
product in the Microsoft 365 suite. So we dive in to some of the products. It's coming to some of our thoughts around it and some potential dangers we see with copilot and even AI as a whole, especially around content creation. Hey Scott, I have a goal for you this year, this. Calendar year, this fiscal year. Which year? This calendar year. By the end of 2023. December 31st, 2023. I think we should be able to hit this.
This doesn't feel like it should be a goal because based on the last three months, but 1 million downloads of the podcast all time by the end of 2023. Easy, easy. We'll get a million downloads next week. No worries. Next week. Okay, a million downloads next week. That means we need a hundred, not a hundred. We need 93,000 downloads this week. Not a problem. You have some stellar content today. Can. You send that to 93,000 of ? It's gonna go viral. We got this.
Okay. Or you can just send this to 93,000 of your closest friends on Twitter manually because as of tomorrow, April four, April four, April 29th, 2023, the service that we use to post everything to the socials is disabling their ability to post to Twitter. No more tweets. You still have your toots. No. More. Tweets. And have you done your Sket? I still. Have Toots. What are skeets on Ske? . Skeets are on blue sky. I. Don't have blue sky. Do you have.
Blue sky? Oh boy. You don't have your skeets yet. We're gonna have to get you an invite. I. Think I have. What is post? Isn't there a post news? What's on Post news? Uh, post news or news? Post. News. This is a different one. I can get you set up with a post account as well, but. I, I already have a post account. I saw another one pop up the other day too, besides Blue Sky and Post and Master. Like I feel like all the Twitter competitors are coming outta the woodwork.
Now I don't know how I feel about this because I, everybody's like vying to be the next Twitter at this point in time. . So if you haven't done it yet, blue Sky is definitely the one that is vying to be most like the next Twitter. It is a Jack Dorsey special. So Jack Dorsey was one of the original founders of Twitter and he is also one of the founders of Blue Sky. Blue Sky is very similar to Mastodon in that it wants to be a decentralized social network.
The big difference is Mastodon has Activity Pub today and it kind of participates in the Fed averse. So if you go out and you create a Mastodon account, like today you went and said, Hey, I wanna go join Mastodon. You have at least 60 different servers that you can kind of choose from to be your home server. Blue Sky is built on at and should be a decentralized framework, but it doesn't actually have any other servers . So there's the one Blue Sky server that's run by Blue Sky right now.
So if you score an invite and you hop on Blue Sky, it's supposed to be a decentralized service at some point in the future, but it is not a decentralized service today. So I would say it's more like today an aspirational thing for it to get there and be decentralized at some point. The funny thing is got it is Blue Sky is kind of like the next iteration of Twitter. Like I said, it's, it's Jack Dorsey founded. It's certainly like a bunch of twitterati kind of heading over there.
I don't know that I'm all that in Twitter. I'm still spending the majority of my time on Mastodon and surprisingly I have a way better relationship with social media that I think that I did with Twitter. Like I used to spend looking back way too much time on participating in conversations, going to new things, going down rabbit holes. I had all sorts of alt accounts for things like, hey, I've got this account to do this thing, this account to do this thing.
And overall mastered on, I really only have one identity and I've got like me and the podcast, which is one that you set up and I really don't hop into that much and I really don't post a whole lot. I'm just having a fun time consuming and it's kind of like laid back social, which I'm totally fine with for now. So I don't know,
I'm trying to figure it all out. I, like I said, I don't think I had a very really healthy relationship with Twitter in particular when it just came to like the amount of time that I was spending on it and, and the amount of time I was putting into it. So I, I don't know. I'm more happy on the Masada with the Toots and and all that Chaz.
Interesting. So yeah, I mean and kind of just for anybody listening that follows us on Twitter, I am go, we'll probably I'll still post, I'm still very much on Twitter. I will still post new shows on Twitter, but if you actually used your Twitter account to like keep up to date with Azure News and Microsoft 365 news, there is no way I can keep up with manually posting everything that we were tracking via blog posts out into Twitter. So if you wanna keep up with like our automated social posts in
terms of news, it's gonna be LinkedIn, it does. Uh, it's not gonna go to Mastodon. It was showing up on Mastodon only because I was proxying it through Twitter cause the posting engine I use doesn't use Twitter. I might be able to go switch some stuff around, figure out how to get it a mastered on, but I mean at this point in time it's probably gonna be LinkedIn and who knows, with all of this chaos and all the socials, I may just end up killing that altogether because it's getting way too
confusing. New episode posts definitely. So you know, come join us in Discord, ms cloud it disc com slash membership. You kind of help contribute to hosting and all the things that keep the show going and we have a nice little community over there. Come and chat with us.
We have all the feeds, all the socials, you know, you want to talk about that great new thing in Azure or M 365 in a place where you can talk about it in verbosity post questions and bounce ideas off other like-minded individuals. Come and join us over that side. It's not a bad place. To be. Maybe we should just do that.
Maybe we should just move all the posts for the new stuff into Discord if people wanna come chat and follow us over there and just kill all the social stuff because it is something that is currently in an evaluation process of what this is gonna look like. It. Shows you what a good moderator you are of the Discord that you don't even know that we have that stuff over there.
Well I knew we had it over there, I just forgot and it wasn't free and the majority of our audience I think is still on the socials and not in the Discords. We'll see. We'll keep knocking on that door and bringing yes people over. But so anyway, let's get into it. So before we get into co-pilot, cuz we talked about doing co-pilot last week and unlike you, I'm gonna make sure that we do what we say we're gonna do week over week.
So before we get into co-pilot, I want to talk about some bad social media or I think bad ways to behave in product. And one of these things that has been kicking around is Microsoft is posting advertisements for the M 365 conference into products like teams with automatic banners.
I've started to see articles on this and you and I have been talking about it for a couple weeks cuz I, I was never able to capture a screenshot of it but was like the first time it happened I thought it was because I was in one of your tenants which is in tap and I was like what is this garbage message that's popping up?
But can I just say like, what a horrible, horrible, horrible idea this is for Microsoft to be posting advertisements for paid conferences, particularly paid conferences that aren't even run by Microsoft into products like teams while you're sitting there and just going about your regular business. Absolutely and I wholeheartedly agree and it is not just, you're gonna get me on a soapbox now I'm gonna completely derail you from co-pilot. It's not just teams.
It's fine cuz I've seen this one a few times now and it's kind of starting to, it's starting to annoy you. Like I don't know who thought it was a good idea but maybe if they hear about it in multiple places cuz I'm, I'm sure they're hearing about it on blog posts and things like that. But maybe one of those PMs that we've interviewed in the past listens to this podcast today and goes like, huh, maybe we should rethink that one.
Yeah, so Tony Redmond does have a blog post about, not the teams one but the SharePoint one. So this has also started showing up in SharePoint. When you go click like edit page, you get a nice friendly popup that says learn more about SharePoint at the M 365 conference. So I have seen it in SharePoint and that one, I think Tony Redman talks about that one. You saw it in teams, they did this once before too in the power platform in power apps, power Automate for the power platform conference.
Got a bunch of feedback there and yeah it is, I'm with you. Like this is, it's just, it's tacky is my opinion. You pay for a product, this is a business product, go there. This is an enterprise product work. Like it's not, it's not an s b thing. It's like if I'm in finance and my job is to figure out for my 50,000 users, whether we pay for M 365 every year and and justify that price back to Lake R C F O, uh, yeah I'm not, I don't think, I don't,
I don't feel good doing that if I'm getting all that advertising in it. Yeah. And so SharePoint, when it was editing the pages teams, it seemed to be showing up for everyone. And another beef I have with this is if this is truly showing up for everyone in teams, what is the percentage of people that go into teams on a daily basis that care about the conference? It is your admins and what you maybe have, I mean even big companies, you have a handful of admins for every thousand users, 2000 users.
There's a very small percentage of teams users that are actually going to care about that conference and to show them to all my users and have, I mean big companies have two, three, 4,000 users. Some of my clients are eight, nine, 10,000 employees. They're like why am I getting these advertisements for this M 365 conference? Like they're not going to care somebody in HR or finance or my executives don't want to see this. No, it's annoying.
There's a ton of hubris behind putting them out there and Microsoft 365 conference, let's be like very clear, it's not not a Microsoft conference. Microsoft participates heavily in it, they certainly sponsor it year to year but it's run by a third party. It's super tacky. Frankly it would be tacky if it was a Microsoft conference as well. Like if this was Ignite or Build or something like that being advertised inside the product as well. Like that's not the right place to do it.
I don't know what they're trying to, like, what they hope to gain by doing that. I. Don't either. And you said it's paid, even if this was free, if this was a free Microsoft conference, again it's, it's an enterprise tool. I still don't wanna see it there. Send me an email, put it out on the web's blog posts, all of that type of stuff. But I don't, um, I don't know Scott, this could even, where does the legal thing hit?
Like I know when there's certain legal things too, even for newsletters people have to opt in to receive newsletters and all of that and have to have a way to opt out. Like I get this isn't an email and the same legal things don't apply but it seems like a bit of a gray area here where I did not opt in to receive these popups about let's not even popups. I didn't opt in to receive advertisements about conferences and I get them anyways.
I mean maybe in the terms of service somewhere buried in when I agreed to use Microsoft 365, I agreed to get this messaging. It's very possible. But I also wanna call out, so this popped up today, I saw it on the Twitters cuz I was still on Twitter and someone actually got, went out and created feedback on the feedback portal about this of the feedback portal.microsoft.com. We'll put it in the show notes. I've tweeted about it already.
Stop in product messaging Microsoft Conference and somebody went out and essentially created that feedback that said please stop doing this and it just got created today. It's up to like 11 votes and four comments. But I think this is a good way for like the mass community, if you're tired of this, go vote on this and get it to move up. Microsoft's move up in the visibility of Microsoft from their feedback quickly.
I don't know how much they're able to pull people talking about it on Twitter and blog posts and all of this versus everybody piling on to this one location and we do know they watch the feedback portal. Yeah, I see a, a certain Ben Sting just uh, commented on there six hours ago. Imagine. That Antonio Redman's on there already and it actually points to his article on there too. So yeah.
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Co-pilot is coming to everything everywhere in all of Microsoft 365. . Done. Done. Two. Two thumbs up, ready to go. Oh . Well I mean it's not just Microsoft 365. It is, well I guess it's the whole cloud stack at Microsoft, particularly in that SaaS space.
So there are things that I don't think of as part of the M 365 stack like dynamics where they've also announced that co-pilot is coming True Viva, I also don't consider it part of the kind of core M 365 stack even though I'm sure there's somebody at Microsoft who's like uh, screaming right now that uh, totally is.
But yeah so I think like the prospect of it is very interesting like the whole large language model thing and chat G P T and the various models that are out there like G P T three five Turbo, G P T four, they're all very interesting and one of the things that was kind of hanging on me when I started to think about it was like how do you point it at your data and do things in a secure way? Like it makes sense to me to do it in context of a public data set.
Like say I had a bunch of FAQs or support documents and I wanted to train my chatbot on those, I just kind of point the bot at it and let it go, let it ingest the data, do what it needs to do and churn through it. But the kind of promise of Microsoft 365 is things like my mailbox is my mailbox and I might collaborate with you in a team
and say you and I are the only members of that team. Well that's great, like you and I should both have access to that data and then maybe we're a part of like an all company group where there's three, 400 people who have access to everything that's in there as well. And how do you train not only models on top of these data sets like like hey how do you point something like G P D three five turbo at your corpus of data that's vast, right?
Like it just goes all over the place but then how do you keep it secure as well? So, so I think like that's really gonna be where Microsoft is going to shine here is not by having just like large language models that are integrated across the stack but they're gonna be large language models that are security conscious and security trimmed kind of like searches today, right? Like that was always kind of like one of the really nice things about SharePoint
search. People used to always complain like back when I was you know, configuring search centers as part of my job that like oh somebody can see something and they're not supposed to. It's like well that's the way search works because search cuz you configured that source item to let that user have access to it. So you still have those kinds of issues but once you get it all cleaned up, like I think this will be really nice.
Like conversational AI turns out to be pretty cool if you have a chance to get hands on with it. Yeah. I agree. And this was interesting, so this actually came up, I was doing one, I don't know if you ever followed Christian Buckley's tweet jams that he does on
the monthly basis. We had a topic about this like to your point, co-pilot is coming to all the things to Viva to Dynamics listed OneNote Outlook teams and we started having this conversation of as you train different models security things like what are the ramifications of something like Outlook or teams If you're summarizing emails with open AI and really these models are sucking in what could potentially be HIPAA data P I I data, confidential data and as these are,
I mean are these learning from that data? Like as you're summarizing this, to what extent is this data getting absorbed into one of these public models that's being trained and always learning from this data?
Is there a potential data leak there or are there potential things that organizations need to think about from a data confidentiality in terms of even what data are people allowed to use with something like copilot or copying and pasting an email and to chat G P T to get a summarization of the email? It's interesting and it leads to a whole different like data privacy, data loss prevention type discussion. It's gonna be kind of crazy to see where it bakes out.
So I don't know how much you pay attention to things like G P D R and the way our friends in Europe run through and do things, but the way our friends in Europe are doing everything, you know they're getting ready to ban things like ai, like Italy's already gone down this path and said you can't have chat G P T here.
Yeah. So I mean you would seem to think then that is co-pilot gonna end up being banned or I mean to Microsoft's point, the advantage Microsoft maybe has over something like chat G P T and some of these other services is that they do have their open AI and they have, they have open AI as a service that you can host in Azure.
Like are you gonna maybe potentially have the ability to leverage co-pilot but have your own models and actually hold all of that data within your own open AI instance in Azure with this so that it does kind of, it helps with that data loss prevention, that privacy thing where you own the models, it's all kind of self-hosted within your own Microsoft cloud environment? Yeah, I mean it has to be self-hosted, well it has to be hosted within the context of the service.
It's a little bit of a slippery slope. Like you can't have your stuff sitting out there in combination with like the public data set that either OpenAI has trained on like the corpus they've trained on or things like you know, the Bing index but you wanna be able to augment your internal data against the Bing index and and that other corpus of data out there and kind of do the
amalgamated data set. Yeah. For sure it'll be, it'll absolutely be a fascinating to see once this comes out because I don't believe, well I take that back co-pilot, I think this is out for power apps. I've seen some stuff on Twitter, I think about people using copilot for some of the power platform. That one's not as data sensitive or you're not dealing with the same level of data sensitivity.
But a lot of these other ones, the copilot for security that was announced, uh, like you said copilot for Viva where Viva's employee experience, there's a lot of employee information in Viva Dynamics if it's dealing with sales data, OneNote, outlook teams, PowerPoint Power, yeah, those all a lot of internal company data but we haven't seen copilot front of these out in the wild yet. Everything's been announced but I that's about where it stopped so far.
So I'm really curious to start getting my hands on some of this and be able to play with it and see how some of this actually does start working. Yeah, I think they're a little bit of a different space. So you have, you have kind of co-pilot as a programming interface or a way to kind of augment programming, which is where I put things like power apps, maybe even Power Automate certainly get hub co-pilot or co-pilot X kind of the services that that are built in to GitHub.
Amazon has an equivalent, like they just came out with Code Whisper, whisper Whisperer, I forget exactly which one there is. Uh, there's is that they just announced that's free as well, which are really just augmented programming kinds of things. Like I I tend to think of them like pretty naively as just integrating Stack Overflow copy Pasta into the things I do and don't get me wrong, like they're super cool. I don't, I don't know. Have you ever played around with GitHub co-pilot?
Like have you set up a trial or, or kind of sat down and and and run through that experience yet? I have. So I've played with it initially like Microsoft has some examples out there about co-pilot I think writing some JavaScripts stuff. I haven't played with it a ton yet cuz I don't tend to do much of that me stuff. But I have tied it into Visual Studio Code.
They have a GI pilot or a co-pilot extension for GitHub for Visual Studio Code and I think it's GitHub doing the work where I'll like start commenting a certain section of PowerShell or I have started writing PowerShell and all of a sudden it's like hit tab to complete this certain line or so it, because it isn't quite as fleshed out for some of what I do. I'm struggling to figure out some of if it's auto complete or some of that versus actually called Pilot.
But it does feel like my Visual Studio code has gotten more intelligent when I go start writing PowerShell scripts now. Yes. So is GitHub co-pilot in the background? I think in many of those scenarios I said unless you've signed up for Code Whisper, something like that on the, no I haven't AWS haven't. Any. Of those so I, I'll put an article in chat from Tim Warner, his another awesome M V P M C T that sits out there.
He's got a pretty good article on GitHub co-pilot from the perspective of a Windows system administrator, which certainly carries forward that perspective of like, hey how would you use co-pilot for something like PowerShell and PowerShell in you know, your day-to-day role as Windows admin. So I think that's a pretty good one to go and check out. I'm using it all the time for PowerShell. I also write bash scripts and it's been helpful for bash scripts as well.
My issue sometimes with the co-pilot thing is like you can see it when it's starting to kind of do its its type ahead search for things that it's going off the rails. You're like eh, like that's okay whatever, you know, you can always figure it out and dial it back and kind of get it to where it needs to be.
The thing I think that scares me a little bit about something like that in context with my business data is, and and I'm totally gonna be guilty of this once it comes out, I'm sure this is the way a lot of other people are gonna use it too, is like we're all just gonna crank the knob and not let that thing write. Like I would maybe like a single PowerShell function that's only a couple lines where I can kind of gro it in my head and see what's going on.
I'm gonna let that thing write paragraphs for me and I might not go back and check them as well as I should have . And I think there's gonna be a lot of things that are like coming out like that and is, and especially in the context of the way like Microsoft has presented it, like you know we've been kind of bashing on loop and how you can do these embedded components and things like that.
Like some of the demos for M 365 co-pilot are like tell it to write this email and go summarize this spreadsheet and pull it in here and then maybe you have a Power BI report that sits over here and oh by the way you had this other Word doc or this PDF and these other emails and you had this meeting that had these meeting notes and like just go jam it all together for me and, and it's something humans can do and you know,
I don't know how most humans feel about it. I like, I mean it's kind of not the most enthralling kind of work to have to down and put together like meeting notes and summaries and things like that and aggregate it all together. But at least like if you're doing it, you're being very mindful and and again like conscientious of of how you're approaching it and I don't see how the ais are going to do that.
So I'm kind of excited to see how it comes along cuz there's gonna be a really weird balance to be found there that doesn't need to be found. I think so much with something like PowerShell or Bash or you know your new Java project or.net like whatever you're doing on that side.
I would agree and I think that's what I'm waiting for co-pilot to bring is I don't necessarily think I want to have copilot create net new emails for me or respond to conversations and teams and this was also some discussions. I think it was in the tweet jam, I can't remember. I've been having various conversations about copilot but like I need a copilot, right? You need. A copilot to be able to summarize all the things. Yeah. To remember where all this stuff came from.
Like co-pilot for creating net new conversations. Let's say you and I are emailing back and forth or conversing in teams, do we really want co-pilot responding to each other? I don't know, remember the Silicon Valley? Did you watch Silicon Valley? Yes. I've watched it. Uh a a whole bunch and Oh a whole, I'm actually working my way back through it right now. Yeah, yeah. Like you should go watch the one when that's the Gilfoyle bot versus
I completely blanked on his name now. Was it the Rajesh bot? Was it Rajesh and Gilfoyle? Uh. I believe so, yes. Yes. Where they created their bots and their bots started having conversations with each other and they weren't even there like they were instant messaging back and forth and it was their bots talking like making sure co-pilot doesn't turn into something like that where you and I are chatting and we're just letting co-pilot auto respond to each other.
I think co-pilot will be great for doing things like you said, here's a long email thread. I got looped into an email thread that's 30 emails deep and I know you've done it, I've done it where you have to scan through it and try to figure out what in the world happened in those last 30 emails before you got looped in. Have co-pilot like okay summarize these emails. What were these last 30 emails about? Bring me up to speed on that.
Or like you said, go find the information and give me a summary of all the information in Office 365 about a particular topic or make this email sound more friendly because I know I tend to be very direct and to the point and I want some nice flowery fluff around my emails using it as that type of tool where it's an assistant, a co-pilot, it's not the pilot, it's not doing all the creation but it's helping me do some of that stuff better and more efficiently versus going
out there and creating all this net new content for me. Yeah, I'm with you. It's gonna get some snarky comments cut outta my day. Your example there of of the long email chain , I have a a PM on our team who's awesome, he's one of my idols and sometimes he'll respond back to some of those long threads when he gets like added in, right Like towards the end of it he'll, he'll just write back and he'll say this is way too long, I'm not reading it.
Can somebody write me a summary? I don't like . I'm like, yes, you're my hero cuz I would've sat there and read that whole thing. I, I won't even wait for the AI to come along and and do it for me. But uh, I think it's gonna be like a pretty cool new world.
It's gonna be very interesting to see like I kind of started with like all the security conversations again and just how information kind of leaks across lines and I wonder if we have a new like weird like data governance reset once again where we need to come back and kind of reevaluate our environments for security and who can see what and you know, what the bots leak or or don't leak . I'm also interested to see the licensing .
I think that's gonna be the other component of it. Yes, like Microsoft 365 licenses are not getting any cheaper and one has to imagine that such functionality is costing money somewhere. So how much of that comes back and manifests in the form of per user, per month licensing is going to be I think another kind of interesting component once it's fully baked and all the way ready to come out.
So Scott, I was talking to Sean about this the other day, one of the members in Discord, he does some work for me as well and he was like, so at some point in time are we gonna see like a Microsoft 365 E seven or Microsoft 365 E nine plan where we're gonna start getting all of these things start included in because right now you get an E five and if you wanna add like Viva, there's the Viva suite, there's the Intune suite.
Depending on what happens with co-pilot, like you start getting all these add-ons and it's no longer go by Microsoft 365 E five to get everything. It's go by Microsoft 365 in these five add-ons. If you want everything like now we just need an E seven or an E nine where it's 120 bucks a month or something and you get everything included. I don't. Know, there needs to be some balance there.
Like you've gotta make it easy for people and certainly to put it all together like some of the licensed management stuff is getting a little out of whack and then you have to make it palatable from a pricing side and like folks need to be able to rationalize that and pull it back. I think some of the ELIC licensing, like it's a whole nother conversation right, about how hard it is to kind of figure out ROI in there depending on what you actually use within your org and yeah, it's a tough one.
Yeah. So to wrap this up, we're kinda getting close on time. We talked about a bunch of these and we didn't really dive into details of any one co-pilot in particular across what's been announced. There's like in our notes you have this all up co-pilot, Viva Dynamics, OneNote Outlook teams, PowerPoint, power Automate, we mentioned GitHub co-pilot, there was also the Microsoft security co-pilot that's been announced. Do you have a favorite co-pilot that you're looking forward to?
So I, I mean I use GitHub co-pilot today. I use it daily and on board with it. Like I'm, I'm really liking it. Uhhuh , the chat G P t like, like the whole G P T three five turbo thing is very interesting to me. I'm starting to see some initial bots and things come out that use like our, like I have a bot at work that I can use that's, it's been trained on the corpus of data on some of our like internal engineering wikis and it's really cool to have conversations with it.
Like just like, hey tell me how to query for X, Y, Z over in this system kind of thing. Which one might use SQL one might use like be based on some, you know, set of tables over here in Gusto, things like that. Like it's, it's really good. Like I'm, I I think like those are the most powerful ones. Like you said, I'm a, I'm a little skittish and I think and scared to use it in places like Word and and Outlook, especially broadly probably even Excel too.
Like you don't want fake data to all of a sudden somehow manifest inside like some maybe like financial reporting that you're doing around your business or or something like that. Like I um, maybe I'll use it in PowerPoint but uh, like right now I'm having fun with I think like the business chat side of it and really the chat bots that are trained on like internal data, which is kind of fun. Got it. I can see that. I think for me, I'm actually curious interest,
the most interested the Office 365 stuff. It'll be cool. Like I'm curious to see how some of the summarization stuff works. I'm looking forward to being able to play with the Microsoft Security co-pilot. Like I think of things like Sentinel and the audit logs in Office 365 and the amount of data that gets sucked in there and we've talked about kq L the importance of learning that. I think that's still gonna be very important, but being able to leverage Copilot to help investigate
and drill through that data. Especially if you can start asking questions and using questions to kind of dig into that data. Kinda like they said, uncover different threats, investigate different threats, using more of that natural language versus having to go off and write a whole bunch of K Q L or dig through, I mean Sentinel Today, Microsoft Defender today.
There's a lot of screens sometimes that you have to dig through to see different information, but if co-pilot can help you investigate that quicker and figure out even more intricacies and details about what's going on, I think there could be some real potential and some real advantages to the security co-pilot. I. Think a lot of it boils down to, I'm really a fan of the things that help me learn more.
Like I'm an inquisitive person and I kind of just like wanna learn all the things, but you don't always have time to uhhuh . So these systems that are accelerators for that are really good. Like, like you said in the context of like, Hey, I wanna work with Sentinel.
If you don't know K QL today, you're gonna have a lot of questions up front just about like syntax and the way to get at things or how to make a query more performant, like a conversational bot that's already been trained on the corpus of like all the learn docs around Sentinel and all the sample queries and things that go into it. Like it's gonna be really good for those kinds of things and I would totally use it for that.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of going the other way and saying like, Hey don't train me on it, just do it for me. That's the thing I think that scares me a little bit about some of this is like folks who are, you know today where you see people maybe like playing around on TikTok or something and they're, they're saying, Hey chat G p t write me a poem. Like write me a poem is one thing.
Write my financial statements is a totally different thing and that's gonna start happening and I think that's when it gets, gets a little scary. So I'm gonna have to find that balance for myself. I think as these things kind of come along, like I'll totally continue to use I think co-pilot for Visual Studio Code,
like all that kind of stuff. I'll probably use it in PowerPoint, like PowerPoint's not my favorite tool but I, I have to create enough presentations where I'm like, hey, go ahead and do that. I don't know that I would have it write all my emails for me though, like that's as of today, like that's a bridge too far for me.
Yeah, what I think it comes into, I haven't read this article and it's fullness yet, but our friends over at Build five nine s I think this just came out today, Chris Beman over there, oh no, this was a few days ago. This was about a week ago, published an article about the dangers of AI hallucinations, how wrong answers can lead to legal liability and how to mitigate them essentially.
And I think that's kind of what we're getting at with all of this is that to your point, when you ask it to start doing stuff for you, you absolutely have to be aware of these AI hallucinations and how it can create wrong data. Like we talked about before, it created wrong parameters for you doing some easy copy stuff and I've seen it create wrong stuff in PowerShell.
Now you start bringing that to a whole nother level where it's, you have to be aware of it may not be always creating correct information or interpreting even the information correctly. So absolutely, it'll be interesting to see where it goes for. Sure. Yeah, we're gonna have to dig back into it like more and more as these start to roll out. Yes, maybe we should have it create us a script for a podcast episode on Go Pilot , see if it can generate a whole script for itself about an episode.
. It will. There's a YouTube video, don't look. Don't look around our website too much cuz you, you might find some places that I've already used chat G P t to write some things, little snippets here and there. There is, yeah. Anyways, , I can go on a rabbit hole. There's some YouTube videos where people did that. They used AI to write a script for their YouTube video and recorded it.
You can very much tell that it is AI written it, it misses some of the personalization that normally comes into these videos. But with that, Scott, I have a battery backup to go install because one of mine got fried in a storm the other day and it's the weekend and there's work to maybe be done, so we should sign off for the day. All right. Sounds good as always. Thank you. Ben. Thank you. And we'll talk to you again next week. Yep. Bye-bye.
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