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Menu Talk

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Menu Talk, formally Menu Feed, is a podcast hosted by Pat Cobe of Restaurant Business and Bret Thorn with Nation’s Restaurant News. We are veteran reporters on the menu beat and eager to bring you inspiring conversations about what’s happening in restaurant kitchens, including weekly interviews with chefs, operators and food professionals.

Episodes

The value of inviting loyal customers for a menu preview

The team behind Brine, a fast casual with a location in New York City and another in Fair Lawn, New Jersey, invited 100 of the restaurant’s regulars (plus some media folks) to taste test new menu items and evaluate them. Chef-partner Joe LoNigro was behind the counter as guests helped themselves to grilled chicken with a “umami” sauce, roasted Brussels sprouts, a spicy chicken sandwich, elote corn ribs, tostones and Brine’s new take on its house-made Pop-Tart-inspired dessert. It will be interes...

Jul 30, 202434 min

Food holidays, restaurant weeks and the magic of long-standing operators

This week, Pat Cobe, senior menu editor of Restaurant Business, and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, discussed national food holidays. In a nutshell, they’re not huge fans of promotions like National Chicken Wing Day or National Tequila Day, but they do acknowledge that promotions around them can be effective marketing tools and traffic drivers, which are particularly important these days as costs rise and guest counts decline....

Jul 23, 202433 min

Hop water, matcha and prix fixe menus

This week, Pat Cobe, senior menu editor at Restaurant Business, shared her take on Blank Street’s summer matcha drinks and the escalating price of lobster rolls, while Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, recounted his visit to Philadelphia to dine at Iron Hill Brewery & Restaurant and Zahav, chef Michael Solomonov’s Israeli restaurant. The guest on this week’s Menu Talk is Dan Kluger, chef-partner of Greywind in New York. Chef...

Jul 16, 202427 min

Fieldtrip, potato cakes, restaurant merch and rice

This week, Pat Cobe, senior menu editor of Restaurant Business, recounted her visit to Fieldtrip, J.J. Johnson’s Afro-Caribbean rice bowl concept with items like jerk meatballs and coconut yogurt, and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, discussed his visit with an old friend to an Indian restaurant attached to a Hindu temple in the New York City neighborhood of Flushing in Queens, which led to a discussion of rice-making technique...

Jul 09, 202432 min

Roast pig, ancient grains and Perkins' menu mission

Despite what are usually characterized as the “lazy days of summer,” there’s been a lot of menu action this week. Pat and Bret both attended an outdoor pig roast at Back Bar in the Eventi Hotel in New York City. The patio party was hosted by Chef Laurent Tourondel and his team, who operate the dining venues at the hotel. They started cooking the pigs at noon, inside a charcoal-fired China box or “caja chino,” which is a Cuban style of cooking pork. The pigs were roasted to perfection by 6 p.m. w...

Jul 02, 202431 min

Mushrooms, Malaysian food and Pizza Hut's new pie

This week, Pat Cobe, senior menu editor of Restaurant Business, reported from Atlanta, where Menu Directions, a conference hosted by sister publication FoodService Director, had just wrapped up. Meanwhile, Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, reported on happenings in New York City. Foodservice Director covers on-site dining, so attendees were mostly chefs from healthcare, schools, corporate dining, etc., rather than restaurants pe...

Jun 25, 202430 min

Low-alcohol beer, prix fixe steak and Laurent Tourondel's latest moves

This week on Menu Talk, hosts Pat Cobe, senior menu editor of Restaurant Business, and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor at Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, start off with a beer tasting. Bret discovered a low-alcohol brew called kvass in his new Brooklyn neighborhood, which is populated by Russian, Ukrainian and Eastern European residents. As Pat visited Sysco headquarters in Houston to get an inside look at how innovative products get into the distributor’s supp...

Jun 18, 202427 min

Dan Kluger's newest restaurant, port pairings and Cheez-Its

This week on Menu Talk, hosted by Pat Cobe, senior menu editor of Restaurant Business, and Bret Thorn, senior food and beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, we discuss the latest news in Cheez-It crackers. The snack food has partnered with Taco Bell to offer giant versions of Cheez-Its, and chef and restaurateur Dan Kluger is offering his own take at Greywind, his new restaurant near Hudson Yards in New York City. The guest for this week is Nia Grace, who Bret i...

Jun 11, 202425 min

Saucy nuggets, steak and sticker shock

This week on Menu Talk, hosts Pat Cobe, senior menu editor of Restaurant Business, and Bret Thorn, senior food and beverage editor at Nation’s Restaurant News, share their take on high menu prices. Their editors at both publications have had a lot to say about fast-food inflation, but how about sticker shock at full-service restaurants? Fogo de Chao has found ways to keep prices reasonable without hurting its margins, as CEO Barry McGowan revealed in a chat with Pat. We played clips from their c...

Jun 04, 202421 min

Cardamom, caviar and other trends from the National Restaurant Show

This week on Menu Talk, your hosts, Restaurant Business senior menu editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food & beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News and Restaurant Hospitality, caught their breath after a whirlwind long weekend at the National Restaurant Association Show in Chicago, and they shared insights into what they saw and tasted there. Pat was struck by the prevalence of cardamom on the show floor, including in an Indian lassi and a new soda flavor from Tractor Beverage Co. ...

May 28, 202429 min

An insiders' look at the 2024 MenuMasters Awards

Menu editors Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn were among the guests who celebrated the winners of the 2024 MenuMasters awards on Saturday. We were in the thick of the event at Morgan Manufacturing in Chicago’s West Loop neighborhood, sampling the chef-prepared food at the various stations and talking to the eight chefs honored this year. Chef and restaurateur Nancy Silverton was inducted into the MenuMasters Hall of Fame, and we talk on the podcast about her accomplishments as a chef and restaurateur. Sh...

May 21, 202411 min

Korean fried chicken goes glam, Rocco DiSpirito's star power and Mooyah's from-scratch mentality

This week on Menu Talk, Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food and beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News, share their take on some recent happenings in the world of food, drink and restaurants. Pat recently visited Coqodaq, a classy NYC Korean fried chicken restaurant with a casual vibe run by the owners of upscale steakhouse Cote. Both Bret and Pat attended an event for Rocco DiSpirito, the James Beard Award-winning chef and TV celeb who just released ...

May 14, 202420 min

High-end apartment pop-up dinners, Dan Barber breeds flavor into squash, and how Muchacho infuses salsas with unique personalities

This week on Menu Talk, Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food and beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News, share their take on some recent happenings in the world of food and drink. Bret is settling into his new Brooklyn digs, discovering the vast assortment of pickled and smoked fish available in his new neighborhood. And buckwheat—that’s the grain of choice in the shops that surround his apartment. Pat was recently a guest at a “Nikkei Twist” dinner in...

May 07, 202426 min

Lettuce Entertain You shares new initiatives, Eggs Up Grill makes menu moves, and the dish on pizza styles and Brooklyn food

This week on Menu Talk, Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, Senior Food and Beverage Editor of Nation’s Restaurant News, share their take on some recent happenings in the world of food and drink. Bret recently moved from one Brooklyn neighborhood to another, and the culinary scene is very different. He’s surrounded by Turkish food and already tried a Turkish breakfast specialty that’s currently trending on TikTok but has been served in mom-and-pop restaurants forever....

Apr 30, 202422 min

An inside look at the James Beard Awards, McAlister's menu expansion and creamsicle drinks

This week on Menu Talk, Restaurant Business Senior Menu Editor Pat Cobe and Bret Thorn, senior food and beverage editor of Nation’s Restaurant News, share their take on some recent hot topics. The James Beard Foundation announced the finalists in the restaurant and chef categories, naming nominees in 22 categories, including both national regional honorees. While culinary skill and operational excellence still play into the awards, a positive work culture and community involvement are now key cr...

Apr 16, 202428 min

Pepe Moncayo's food at Cranes in Washington, D.C. reflects the sum of his experience

Pepe Moncayo is the chef and owner of Cranes, a restaurant he opened in Washington, D.C., in February of 2020 to enthusiastic acclaim. Of course, normal operations ceased five weeks later, but the fine-dining restaurant survived and the chef’s food, which reflects his own culinary journey, continues to be appreciated by guests. Moncayo was born and raised in the suburbs of Barcelona and started cooking after his mother passed away when he was 13. He would accompany her to the market, carrying he...

Apr 09, 202422 min

So long Menu Feed, welcome to Menu Talk

Menu Talk will still feature Pat Cobe, but now she'll have a cohost: Informa colleague, Bret Thorn with Nation’s Restaurant News. Both are veteran reporters on the menu beat and eager to bring you inspiring conversations about what’s happening in restaurant and foodservice kitchens, including weekly interviews with chefs, operators and food professionals. Get ready for a new era of Menu Feed with Menu Talks!

Apr 04, 20241 min

How Gott's Roadside evolves the menu while honoring the restaurant's 25-year legacy

Gott’s Roadside got its start in California’s Napa Valley 25 years ago and has been recognized by the James Beard Foundation as an early pioneer of fast-casual dining. Through the years, the food has evolved from a limited menu of burgers, fries and shakes to a broad and varied selection that offers something for everyone, says Clay Walker, president of the iconic drive-in. This year, culinary director Jennifer Rebman is introducing a commemorative 25th anniversary menu, rotating in old favorite...

Mar 28, 202428 min

How culinary inspiration and a positive work culture share equal billing at Freight House

Sara Bradley, chef-owner of Freight House in Paducah, Kentucky, worked in Michelin-starred restaurants in New York and Chicago, but always wanted to return to her hometown and be her own boss. She opened Freight House in 2015 with the mission to create a technique-driven yet accessible restaurant where all guests would feel comfortable dining and all team members could experience true work-life balance. Bradley knows all about balance—she juggles her job as restaurant chef-owner with her role as...

Mar 21, 202427 min

John Manion pays tribute to Brazilian cuisine at his new restaurant, Brasero

John Manion introduced Chicago diners to Brazilian ingredients and flavors when he opened La Sirena Clandestina back in 2012. It’s a cuisine that’s near and dear to his heart and palate, as the chef spent part of his childhood living in Sao Paolo. Manion went on to open El Che Steakhouse & Bar, where the menu covers more of South America with a focus on meats cooked over live fire. But when La Sirena Clandestina closed in 2019, he always had the vision to open a more expansive Brazilian rest...

Mar 14, 202427 min

How well-written recipes can optimize productivity and profitability in the kitchen

Raeanne Sarazen, author of "The Complete Recipe Writing Guide," created a comprehensive guidebook to help chefs, menu developers and dietitians master the art of recipe writing. In our conversation, she explains why and how well-written recipes can boost efficiency, ease staff training and improve the menu. Traditionally, cooks learned at the side of more experienced chefs, but that model isn’t always practical in today’s fast-paced, labor-challenged kitchens. The detailed chapters of ...

Mar 07, 202423 min

How Vino Volo's airport wine bars create a unique oasis for travelers

Larissa Dubose is a certified sommelier and national director of beverages for Paradies Lagardère, overseeing the wine program at Vino Volo, the wine bars at airport locations all over North America. She’s tasked with creating an oasis for busy travelers who want to relax with a glass or flight of wine and perhaps a bite to eat before boarding their plane. Chef Duane Nutter and Dubose coordinate wine and food pairings. At each location, Dubose has curated a diverse wine selection that appeals to...

Feb 29, 202429 min

IHOP hits the accelerator on menu innovation with Chef Arthur Carl at the helm

Arthur Carl II joined IHOP at the end of 2022, and in just over a year, he has accelerated menu innovation and taken the 1,794-unit pancake house in new culinary directions. Carl began by identifying gaps in the menu, quickly developing a line of indulgent Eggs Benedict and sweet and savory crepes to elevate the morning daypart. Then he leaned into lunch and dinner, introducing a collection of Ultimate Steakburgers with culinary touches, like bacon jam and Parmesan crisps. Pancake Tacos followed...

Feb 22, 202418 min

From Washington D.C. to Florida, Ryan Ratino creates memorable dining destinations

Ryan Ratino has helmed the kitchens at D.C. restaurants JONT and Bresca for several years, earning Michelin stars for both. Now he’s taking on Florida, opening MAASS in the Four Seasons Hotel in Fort Lauderdale and putting the finishing touches on OMO in Orlando. Each of the restaurants has a distinct personality and offers a distinct dining experience, from the bistro-style Bresca to the Japanese-inspired tasting menu at JONT and the contemporary seasonal spirit of MAASS. At OMO, Ratino is cura...

Feb 15, 202426 min

How Charleston's Husk restaurant stays relevant in a competitive dining city

Steven Chandler, general manager of Husk in Charleston, S.C. earned his culinary chops in the back-of-the-house, working in hotel kitchens overseeing purchasing, event planning, catering and more. But he felt his true calling was in the front-of-the-house, and he made that transition several years ago, landing at Husk in 2022. Since he joined the team, he’s elevated the training program, added a bar and patio with a more casual vibe and menu and preserved the cherished restaurant’s legacy while ...

Feb 08, 202428 min

How Nekter Juice Bar is breaking away from the pack in a crowded segment

Alexis Schultze Parra became a fan of juicing as a California mom and yoga enthusiast before she co-founded Nekter Juice Bar 13 years ago. The healthy fast casual has since grown to over 300 locations, and in her role as chief visionary officer, Parra oversees culinary, supply chain, marketing and more. Although Nekter has a large core customer base for its convenient, nutritious and functional juices, smoothies and bowls, she is exploring new ways to grow this audience beyond the health-conscio...

Feb 01, 202426 min

How BurgerFi and Anthony's Coal Fired Pizza are generating menu buzz

When Cindy Syracuse joined BurgerFi International last January as CMO, she hit the ground running. Her first order of business: Earn more recognition for BurgerFi in the “better burger” category. So she tasked the culinary team with creating a new burger to enter into the South Beach Wine & Food (SOBE) festival’s Burger Bash taking place in February. In less than a month, they developed the BBQ Rodeo Burger, entered it into the competition and won first place. Sister concept Anthony’s Coal F...

Jan 25, 202431 min

How Neil Doherty and Sysco's culinary team help operators meet today's labor challenges

Neil Doherty’s official job title at Sysco is senior director of global culinary development, but it wouldn't be wrong to call him “chief problem solver” for the broadline distributor. He works along with the 87 chefs Sysco employs at 32 test kitchen sites around the country to help operators in every segment source products to meet back-of-house challenges. Right now, the biggest challenge is labor. Kitchens in restaurants, colleges, health care and other segments are still understaffed or ...

Jan 18, 202427 min

How Esmé marries art and food for a Michelin-starred dining experience

Jenner Tomaska and Katrina Bravo, husband and wife co-owners of Esmé, met when they were both starting out in the industry at MK, a groundbreaking Chicago restaurant that has since closed. The pair eventually married and ventured out on their own, opening Esmé in 2021. The Chicago fine-dining restaurant embodies their vision to marry Bravo’s passion for art and Tomaska’s passion for culinary artistry with the shared goal of providing first-rate hospitality. Esmé offers an evolving tasting menu i...

Jan 11, 202431 min