Hey, what's going on, Sonia, with you? Welcome to another episode of men. Explain.
Do they have a very special guest? He's fuzzy, like
I haven't Pallavi, I am a hotel personality at a smart local. People know me for doing stupid things on the internet. And you know what? I'm very proud to say that I'm I'm very happy with what I'm doing at the moment.
You know what? Congratulations. Yeah. Inspired it in life. Embrace it. Right?
I mean, success is very, very subjective as well. All of us have different perceptions of it. Today's a bit of an extension of a previous episode because 30 minutes, 40 minutes, it wasn't enough. Do you think looks will help you accelerate your career?
Well, to be honest, I think like the fact that immediate right means not so important.
Oh no, no, no, no, no. Beauty is subjective.
OK, love. I mean, it is something that everybody knows the right looks. Definitely. Yeah. A fact, though when it comes to our industry, there are outliers with the I would say. I mean, I am an outlier. I would say I'm not the most conventionally good looking individual, you know, I mean, people make fun of me on the internet or be having like receding hairline, la my forehead to beat la north to big double chin.
You know what?
Honestly, I've come to that. Just take it in my stride. Yeah, and just ignore it. But I mean, at the back of my mind, yeah, that things, of course, that I am very insecure about, especially because we look in such a judgmental fashion.
I don't know where it's going to go. Critical, yeah. Critical.
And also a visual. Yes, yes, you're right. Where everything we are doing is is visual. Yeah, yeah. So it's a bit challenging for me to say that it doesn't matter.
So, so then that begs the question, you know, based on whatever you're seeing right now, why did you go into this line and industry? I mean, was just wondering, just wondering.
Honestly, it wasn't a choice. I think when I first started out at my local, I was actually in editorial, so I was writing. Nobody's going to see my face. They're going to see my name. That's about it, right? Article, you know, just talk about, you know, the things you did in Singapore. But of course, the way we first started out, when I first started out around seven years ago, we were not launching a YouTube channel. But when that started out, I started being on it, right?
Let you be on camera right now. It wasn't like much like that
because the philosophy is they wanted to get everyday people to be on camera and do things and try things, and you get very organic reactions from that love. And that was kind of where I started in that. In a sense, it
is amazing to see how, like seven years went by seven or eight years, for example, and things have changed. The landscape has changed. Yeah, but obviously, you know, the overarching topic here today about good looks. I just want to kick it off by asking you this question as well. How important are good looks to you? I mean, you can be straight up and honest you, because we don't we have no filter on this show.
I love that. Yeah, in terms of what in terms of light, you know,
relationship candles, yes, we need of work.
Wow. Interesting. How important?
Can we start with? How important is do in relationships?
Oh my god. Go ahead.
Go straight. And then we think about a notch. Okay. Talk about in the workplace.
All right. Relationships, how important. I think. I don't know how to say it is important for sure, but it's important that I use that. Yeah. No, I find that person attractive. Yes. Right, right. Nowadays, if all these dating
apps and all
these dating apps, yeah, you're obviously going to judge a person based on the looks like I'm going to be honest, like every single person in this world is superficial. Right? If you still if you say you're not superficial, you're lying.
Exactly. Yeah, I'm going to call you out, man. Yeah, yeah, no.
So everybody is some level of superficial, right? And I'm definitely going to admit that I am and I am a fierce person first.
When anything else?
Yeah, when I when I meet someone, I like to see a good face.
Right, right. Who doesn't like you?
To some extent? I mean, when you, for example, when you go to clubs and clubs were a thing, right? Distant memory, by the way. You know, obviously you wouldn't be attracted physically to someone first before you pick up a conversation. Right, right. And then you figure out, Oh, maybe this person, media personality, or maybe the fact that this person is in my time or I don't like his or her character, then OK, forget it. Like then it looks. Or Meadow goes, I'm right to this person.
Yeah, but with that fear, right? Yeah, it really depends from person to person, right? Someone might find someone attractive, but another person might completely disagree.
Oh, 100 percent. My friends don't agree with my choice
in general, actually, to be honest, I'm still I'm fine. So that's good that we don't, Chris, go right back over the same people.
Exactly that. But that's the beauty about it, right? That it is very subjective. It is also another offshoot from that topic is beauty is very much, I think, nowadays very closely linked to ethnicity as well. OK. Yeah, very interesting because different ethnic groups may be seen as less attractive. Oh yeah. And that's a whole nother like, you know, different discourse that we needed thought about,
you know, runs deep.
Yeah, exactly that.
But that is I think I think like a lot of us, we ascribe the what we ascribe, what beautiful is based on certain expectations provided to us by the media, either like, you must look like K-pop style. So for example, but of course, you know the example I always use, Asian people always want to look white to right fat, and then western people always want to look tan, right? If like, we just not happy with ourselves
since we're going to move into the workplace very soon. I also recall a time where I auditioned for a OK, I'm not going to say the company OK, but I auditioned for like some sort of a reporter role, like a presenter role, OK? And it was going to be kind of a semi-permanent thing. So I have to go back like maybe two, three times a week to do stuff with this company is pretty big company. OK, OK. And they were saying, Oh, they want to diversify and stuff like that, right? So then when I went for
the audition, I started out to be honest. OK, OK. Yeah, I hardly ever say this. But sometimes when you get a good feeling about what you did, I mean, it's fine to admit it. You know that you aced the whatever you were supposed to do. I got the feedback after that, according to the senior producer, he was like, Your eyes are too oriental.
Oh yeah, that's what
your eyes to orient those. So it's not really our vibe. And I was like, I know. And you know what? For that moment, I was like, You know what? I felt? I don't know. I just really felt taken aback by what he said to my face as well. So say, you know what? No regrets. I don't think I want to work for this company anyway. Goodbye. You kind of situation. Yeah. So, so since we're on the topic of the workplace as well and you're in the workplace, I mean, all the
time you're surrounded by different people. Does it play a part like, let's say, a better looking person or who is perceived to be better looking comes along? Do you find it easier to be like, Oh yeah, OK, I think this person can do the job. Oh yeah, I trust this colleague. Oh yeah, I want to work with this colleague more because this person looks better. Have you ever felt that way?
Not only have I felt that way, yes,
you've done it. No, no.
I've also like felt like I am worse off for the job. Oh no. Yeah. So I'm a bit like most self-deprecating as a as an individual. Sometimes I use it as like a joke line. I use it to like my real pain and
it hurts
inside right on the
inside. Exactly.
But you know, it's the truth that sometimes when someone who is younger, better looking and fresher in coming into the industry, right? So always be exactly that. And there's no there's no way you can feel you don't feel like a little bit of like envy. Yeah, right. And I'm going to emulate so many people I meet from. Day to date, I meet that they are all like, so fresh, so young, they're all ready to take on the world, right?
Then your metabolism? Yeah, I don't think like, Oh, that was me, like seven years ago. No, but
I'm actually very glad. I'm very aware, right? Some people are not aware of these things and they act up. Yeah, I'm very hyper aware about my feelings and my emotions. I'm very in touch with what I feel when I meet someone new that I actually have, you know, actively made the decision that you know what? Yeah, there is an expiry date for what I do. Of course. Yeah, that is exactly that. And I say, like, you know what?
That's fine, then that's where I start pivoting myself to work, you know, being more of a mentor, more behind the scenes stuff. That's the natural progression for for this job, I feel, or maybe I do more important things. I talk to the minister that, yeah,
yeah, that kind of stuff.
I do less. I know frivolous things do more the more important things in terms of like looks right and when deciding whether someone is better off at doing the job, you feel a little bit more trust in, you know, allowing them to take the job, you know, I mean, they do need to look to put together like if, let's say, they come in and look like they just woke up, I just put on whatever they found in their closet or whatever, and
anyone in the closet may be on the floor floor. I know.
And if they come in right again, I think first impressions, of course, is not only just about the looks. Yeah, it's about everything. The whole package, right?
No, you put it really well, because when it comes to being presentable, it really just boils down to a common you have properly or let you know your shit is either high. Clearly, you take
care of yourself.
It's more of a personal hygiene kind of thing. And it also gives off a better impression that, oh, this person knows how to take care of him or herself and perhaps maybe is more disciplined and that somebody that I want on my team. That's how people feel, especially in interviews like first impressions, right? Is the same as dating first impressions
in that snap of like meeting that first. But the person right beside you, that person has already formed the judgment of you. Yeah, right. Whether they would like to continue with the date. Yeah, whether they they think that you are ready to take on the job. It is so important that when the moment you walk in right, there is some sort of good impression that you're leaving. Yeah.
So I'm going to pull up this research. I was actually done quite a while ago, in 1986, even in
1996, I was
seven. OK, this professor
actually found that attractive workers were rewarded with nine percent higher salary for men and five percent more salary for women. And furthermore, the most recent one in 2021, almost like a follow up of some source shows that both male and female who are higher on the beauty skill were more likely to lend themselves the job of their choice first. So I guess, you know, the question is, do you think based on our experiences, I'm not sure how many
jobs you've applied for? Right, right, right. Maybe I do have a story to share, but maybe you can share with me first. Did you feel like there was any sort of struggle at all in applying for jobs? And I don't know in your journey. Hmm. Yeah, so far
in a way, yes. I don't have any specific examples, but I've always when coming to interviews and stuff, I've always had that a mindset, right? You know, you're not going to be the best looking person, so you're going to shine with your personality, right? You're going to be as candid and as honest and as, you know, authentic as possible.
Charismatic.
Exactly that. I've always had that mindset. I think maybe because I grew up like knowing like I if you put me in a room with 10 guys, I would probably be number nine on them. 10, right? Well, again, very self-deprecating. I'm fine on my personality.
OK, OK with that, right?
So I've had that mindset. I mean, I'm honest with myself. I know that my my plus point is in my looks. My plus point is in my personality and how I'm able to talk, basically. So that's always been the case when I go to interviews and always been to use my brains office than anything else.
So basically picking up on what you said, right? Mentioning that sometimes when you go into an interview or I don't know, a meeting or whatever it may be that you have to rely more on your personality and really like and that you say, make up for other certain things. Do you feel like that's a burden to you to weigh heavily on you? Do you wish
otherwise? Maybe because I think I've been doing this for so long, it's no longer. But then maybe because I think it's become like part and parcel of why I do a lot is I become a routine in that sense, right? But for sure, I think when I first started out there, there were times when I felt like, especially when you are pit against another person and then there's always that sense of competition where you know someone else gets and gets a job easier or they get picked instantly for in.
No job in question,
why
exactly that
and deep down, sometimes I always think like a I have maybe if not more skill sets, you know, it's a similar skill set of the person. Why am I not picked? Yeah. Is it because someone who looks better than me? And again, like, it's one of those things that, you know, it really chipped away at my self-confidence that I slowly chipped away. You don't really realize it, but
it's deep down in your mind. One way I did overcome it is that there are there are other things that you can look forward through, even if you don't get that particular job. There are other people and other, you know, maybe brands, for example, that will resonate with you despite, you know, whether you you seem conventionally beautiful
or not. So I choose to, you know, really look at aligning myself with people who appreciate me for my personality and for the branding that I can help them create beyond just the brand appreciates me because I look good to me. It doesn't really add value to my life in that sense.
So a while ago, before influencers even existed, do you remember this, a frozen yogurt stock off frolic?
Of course I you know, of course
you know about it. If you are from our generation, you would know what it is. Yeah, okay. It was known for hiring just jobs.
So I'm I'm probably everyone looks at me like this again.
Your family doesn't even exist anymore, does it doesn't. I mean, unfortunately, long time ago, they I think they folded a couple of years ago. But during that time, I think I was like, what, 18 years old or something like that? You know, we we knew of this frozen yogurt stone. And I was actually recommended by a friend, she said. Actually not betting on that. You just do this. You know, you just sold a yogurt, by the way. That is
a skill, OK? I hate it. When people steal your you is empty in the middle market.
Still be full, OK?
Right?
The point is
she was like, Oh, all you have to do is to go for this interview with one of the one of the owners who is, I guess, the hiring person. And it was this guy, and I really kind of knew like I looked at the girls there and back then got no social media, no Instagram, no Instagram, right? And I was like, Well, they're also kind of like cute, you know? And it was just Facebook back then, and you can still go stop worry. Like, Oh, they're also like cute and I'm pretty. So then I went in
and back then I had really short hair. OK, really, really, really short hair. And it was like a pixie cut. OK. I was wondering like, Oh my gosh, I don't know whether they were like, Think that I'm not cute enough or feminine enough or whatever. But anyway, like, I went there and within five minutes she was like, OK, yeah, you can start work on like, whatever, whatever. He didn't ask me much.
So no skill set required.
Exactly did. Even as we just saw gut. No. Oh no,
no, no, no, you don't. You just learn on the job.
But I thought, you know, that was one of the examples where obviously they were looking for a certain type of rice, right? And then the skills are secondary. I mean, you know, they become next to like whether or not you're a good you, a good swallow, you're a good fruit cutter because we have to cut fruit to not just for you guys to cut fruits as well and pour the toppings, you know, into the relative roses and stuff like that. And also on top of that customer service.
So I realize that beyond, you know, looking cute or looking good, I'm not saying I cute or what, but it's subjective. Once again, you also have to carry it on with your skills.
Well, honestly, a frolic brings back memories, man. It really is. It's like not only about the looks right, but the girls who are serving the yoga. How you all had a bad rep really being a bitch?
Know how you feel. Do you have a resting bitch face? Yes. It's like you think customer service, like customer service. I think you get maybe a text that said, that's so funny.
I guess when it comes to hiring since I talked about my hiring process, which lasted all of five minutes. Are you involved in the hiring process at all? At all?
A little bit of it.
I used to be a lot more nowadays. I not as much anymore, but yeah, I used to be. And they are couple things like that. You need to tick off before. Well, I, you know, before I say, like, Okay, I'm going to put you through. Yeah, I'm going to give you a little bit more attention. OK. So usually I don't really care as it usually when they send like their resumes, right? I don't really care about the pictures. They put pictures, right? I don't really care because for me,
that first part, right, I'm always looking at our portfolio. Yeah. The portfolio is good. Yeah. Usually the first thing that convinces me. But when they come to the interviews, that's when I stop paying attention. So I tell you kind of know that a culture is very casual, right? So usually there are a couple of things that I get a little I get a little bit like,
I love, you know, a little bit happy. OK, let me
reflect, not really reflect a little bit of a pet peeve is when they come dressed in like suits. Oh, right. And I'm like, This are not appropriate, you know, applying for a finance job.
Oh no, you don't say, What do I do wrong? Yeah, my best. No, but sometimes
you need to. Pay attention research, yeah. About the culture that you're working at. It's nice to for you to dress appropriately, la and school. It's very simple to just put on something nice and dress up. Comb your hair look like you are put together every single thing you do from the moment you walked into the office for the interview. People notice from how nice you treat the reception, lady.
I agree with what you said, you know, even in our industry. I love it. When you know artists and celebrities, we are. Also, we should be nice to the fashion people, for example. I mean, I came from a background where I was in film production. My dad runs a film production company, ran a film board, actually company. And I was also like doing a lot of stuff like filming and carrying a tripod, all that kind of stuff. And you can see how people treat you sometimes like they
don't give a shit about you. But some people are set apart by the fact that they want to help you out or they, you know, they're nice to you and stuff like that. And that says a lot of somebodies character and personality, whether you want them on your team.
It's true. It's true. And to me, that trumps how good-looking you are. You are an asshole, right? Yeah. No matter how good-looking you are, sorry.
You know, for me, it's a hundred percent. Anyway, I'm just going to kick you out. Exactly.
I mean, it also reminds me of Abercrombie and Fitch. I don't know, right? But when they were still here, the exit it already. Yes.
Yes. No. I heard they're coming back, you know, coming back. Oh, guys, at the same place what I thought?
Go ahead. Look it up. It was in the news. What do you think? We'll see? I first laid down if I you have a
real and then did they're going to enter again into the market? I don't know why.
Why do you remember? Like, have you ever walked into like NFL? Did you feel intimidated?
All the good looking people? Yeah, I never want to walk into it in that book.
I just feel like I don't know, guys. I feel so nervous. I just walk
out. I feel like a troll when I walk
in there, but you
see for it. That is also a classic example of hiring people based on their looks, right? And I think in the recent years as well, they were put under the spotlight for and they were heavily criticized as well for doing this and for objectifying their staff members who are meant to be the sales staff. You and I had friends working, and back then it was kind of like the the Knicks frolic on the higher and the
more I thought it was right, you know, the. So there was so much interest in doing that job because the thing is, I don't know whether it's about validation, but the moment you get hired, you're like, Oh, I'm hot or like, I don't know, what do you think? That could be one of the reasons?
Oh, well, snap what?
So basically, right, by getting hired, you're essentially stroking their egos
in
some way. I don't know this. By the way, these are personal views.
So in disclaimer, I'm
pretty sure that that in some way, yeah, there is some truth to that. For example, if you get you get booked for like a modeling gig. Yes. Yeah, obviously, there's some sort of you that deep down in your mind and all your heart, you see, like, well, I booked it. I must be off some sort of level in terms of the looks department, right?
I must be hot.
Okay, like you know, I said in a very
specific kind of way, I'm not Beyonce. Right, right. Yeah, I
definitely think so. And it is that vicious cycle. Yes, right? Because it's something so hot to run away from this idea of beauty, right? Yeah. The more good-looking you are, there's definitely a lot more people who are going to be nice to you. And because of that, they will feel even more, you know, like that. They did great things, right?
They feel like they are entitled to things. Yeah. And for me, it was something that I definitely what I felt very challenged by, especially when I entered the industry. There were many things I felt like I had to change about myself in terms of the looks, looks like I can tell you that a couple of things that I have, I have changed like my T.
My my. Very nice to see.
The whole top row is not real.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
So right. I was so self-conscious about my cricket teeth when I first got that. And then when I started making some money, then I said, I'm going to put in money and invest in this and fix my teeth. And I know, like some people say, like, Oh, you shouldn't be doing it for other people, like you shouldn't be doing it. But I really felt like it was a little something that I did to help me at least push my self-esteem. A little bit, of course.
I mean, do it for yourself. If you think that it makes you feel better, it makes you more confident. Why not?
I'm very honest about it. Yeah, I'm very honest about it, and I'm very honest with the fact that if in the future there was an opportunity that I could get plus some sort of plastic surgery or fillers or whatever, IBO thoughts, whatever. Yeah, I'm very open and honest that I say I will consider.
Yeah, I mean, of course, disclaimer as well these personal views. Yes, yes, definitely. Consider things properly and carefully before you do anything big or drastic in your life as well. And I guess, you know, veering away from what we've been talking about
now is this day and age where beauty stands. It's a little bit different now, and you know, I like that the beauty industry and industry are starting to become a bit more inclusive, although obviously this is going to take some time, but it has definitely blurred the lines between what we used to think was beautiful and what should be considered beautiful right now, right? There's such a diverse way of seeing things right now. So do you think that in the media industry, it's it's going in
that direction? Is it moving fast enough? What else can we do to, you know, change the perception of beauty?
Well, that's a difficult and loaded question. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that I think definitely things keep things. I'm very happy to see a lot more representation in Stephanie. Skin color, yes. And also size. I think that is two of them because I would say issues in the beauty industry that we we've we've faced for very, very long. Whether or not things are changing. I think it is, yes. But I think it's a very slow pace because I think we have been so inundated that we have fixed
kind of what is beautiful kind of a model. Yeah. It is very difficult to kind of completely throw away years and years of like, you know, in greening that if you want to be beautiful, you must look like, I said in a way. Yeah. Just take a look at the K-pop industry for right?
Right.
As much as they're very beautiful to look at, it is also very harmful to just look at the industry in itself, which is huge. Is a multibillion dollar industry, right? Just looking at the type of people they produce, yeah, they look a certain way that they look like they have to achieve, right? And that is it's scary. Like, it is very scary that that is the the ideal. Yeah,
as much as we are trying to change it. There is still that permeating strength of like that ideal Korean or Korean look like that you have to achieve that.
Yeah, no, I totally agree. And because of the fact that these celebrities are so messy and so commercial, right? You know, you have these kids growing up wanting to be like them or look exactly like them that, you know, the whole idea of getting plastic surgery to look like a certain star or like, you know, making sure that I, I don't know, go for vitamin drips, whatever, to make your skin care, which, by the way, I don't think is a lot in Singapore.
It's not. It's not. Yeah, you can do it. Other countries, yeah. You know, I don't take it.
You know, it becomes normalized, right? Right. I want to look a certain way. And this is this is what I don't know this celebrity K-pop celebrity users who have such perfect skin, which in actual fact, maybe that's not really the truth. I don't know. But when you look at social media and when you scroll through and you see all these ads and stuff like that, do you feel inclined to buy a certain product when a very handsome or very pretty person is promoting it?
Yeah, I think for me again, I'm lucky because working in this industry has given me an insight into how things work. Yes, right? It really does give me that external another lens. I don't have eyes to kind of look at it more objectively. And yeah, so in a way for me, because I have that knowledge. I definitely look to what's, you know, people who are genuine. And I like people who are usually I don't really bite into things from just a picture. Yeah, I like a video.
If someone can, you know, really adequately explains things or like they genuinely like, show that they are, you know, they can
be a part of your life, correct?
Yeah, it I feel more inclined to trust them more. So if it's just a picture I'm usually like, Aren't killer, really? Do I trust, you know? You, I think about it. I'm a bit more discerning as an audience. Yes. Whereas I can't say the same for everybody else. Right, right. I can't say the same for the majority of the people who don't work in our industry and don't realize that that there is a certain standard and needs to be achieved when it comes to these kind of acts
and things. So I I'm a little bit more discerning now when it comes to these things, and that's something that I really even for me when I'm looking for like new talent. Yeah, I tend to gravitate towards people who can speak better beyond just how good looking they are because I've met many people, right? Good looking beautiful. I don't know. Yeah. When they open your mouth, then open them up, which
are, you know, Oh dear. So I really like
suddenly right there is that dissonance between the look and represent themselves to me I like, especially for last video present. And it is so important that someone is able to speak and describe things.
Of course, it is the nature of the job. I mean, it varies with different, you know, different industries as well.
Yeah.
So some influences, yeah, I mean, they can rely on the pretty yeah. Right? And some people, you know, they make money out of that power to them. Yeah, but as Judge Judy, once it gets beautiful, it's dumb is forever.
And there we went there.
Nobody. You know what you mentioned, actually, you know, resonates with me because as a content creator as well, when now we have to do so much digital creation, right? You know, there will be clients coming to you saying like, OK, you know, you need to promote this particular skincare or whatever it is or whatever. And I realize, you know, just looking at other influences, I'm not shitting on anyone.
You're not
seeing anyone. But, you know, sometimes when you get so saturated with content of people seeing this product works, I mean, this product with me, I also find it like, Oh my gosh, am I coming across this way as an influencer? Because, you know, if you are a person of influence or perceived to be, there will be a certain amount people who might invest like, I don't know, three or four hundred dollars in this product that you just promoted on your social media. Right. And I also do want to
be a fraud. You know, I want to make sure that I try to product and make sure that I like it before I can, before I know what to say about it. All right, social media and I feel like that's as much as I can do horse. You know, my own way of trying to show that is part of my life. And it's not just, I don't know, holding a product and then chucking it aside after
it is our responsibility. I think it's sure to be as authentic and honest about what we I know. Sometimes money comes stuff and you just take jobs based on, I mean, how do you if you need that money and you need that, that's fine. But for me, I do agree with you. My personal philosophy is I do have to actually try. The product actually is really like the product before I can put it on my, my, my, my page.
No, I totally agree. But you know, hey, it is a very challenging industry. I will say at times, and it's tough to really have that balance at times as well. OK, so before we wrap things up, I just have one more question here for you. So in a few cases, pretty women are seen as less competitive, according to certain research, and always having the easy way out, apparently. What do
you feel about that statement? And, for example, for men, they're given more concessions even when they make mistakes, because attractive men tend to be seen as more competent and ambitious.
We live in a very patriarchal society, and this is a reality that a lot of us have had to fight with LA. And even for me, I don't typically find myself in more masculine spectrum. Often men. Yeah, right? Even for me, I do feel I get judged because
I'm not the typical kind of men. So I find I find that for being a woman, it's even harder for that because there is like a hierarchy in terms of this whole idea of what it means to be masculine, feminine, right, the most masculine of men, usually the one seen with the most power. Then it trickles down right as the less masculine you are, the less, I guess, benefits you get from society. I think for women, right, they have had to work even harder just to kind of fight. That proved tricky.
Right? OK, it's almost impossible. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's so impossible. As much as like we can see, like, you know, we're going to work for like equality and stuff.
It's a long journey.
It is very long is until I the older generation dies. But even then we have the older generation, even if they die, right? If they managed to pass down that kind of mindset that men are better than women. OK, yeah. Yeah, we're not going to get out this cycle. Yeah, right? It's tough. So it's scary just because of your gender. You already have certain challenges in place in front of you that you never even asked for.
Yeah, right. And I think, you know, sometimes in certain industries, especially for people who are exceptionally good looking in the industry, right? I once I had a friend who is working in the medical industry, right? He is a doctor surgeon. OK, very serious. Like, it's like, literally, you know, the job is to save lives and critical surgeries. But the catch is he's so good looking. So as a result, he has to wear a mask all the time, even during consults.
And just wait. Wait, why? Because he said that every time he doesn't, because he also is. He looks quite young, even though he is older than people think. And he's also very good looking. People don't trust him. Oh, my goodness. Yes, they're like, Yeah. So I mean, I have to say, like for some people who have, I just blessed that born with exceptional good looks in certain industries, people actually
don't trust them. I mean, this is not a blanket statement, but for my particular friend who who experienced these things, I can't imagine he might not be the only person. This is going to feel this way. You know, and it's just, oh, like if you're in this serious industry, maybe if you're all, I better get an older doctor. Maybe he's more right, you know, more seasoned, more experienced, or this doctor also good-looking. How can be doctor must be a him boy, you know, and that kind of mindset.
So I don't know whether like obviously once again, it applies to. Everyone, but this is just based on my friend's experience over in the medical
field, that's that's so
which is interesting.
It's so interesting that it is now industry specific, right? Because like the blanket idea would be if you are good looking, people would trust you more. Maybe for someone who is going to potentially save your life, you look for the one who is older.
Yeah.
Who might equate to my experience, right? Oh yeah. Very destructor life, my doctor. So good looking, you know. OK, why?
If you imagine if you are getting surgery right, would you want to be distracted by him? Yes. Why you want for you to be like
you will see like the places that he I don't want you to see. I mean, I know why I'd rather not go there. No, that's just how I view that
is now very interesting. It's a whole new ball game all together that now it is very industry specific. Yeah, I've never really thought about until we have had this conversation.
Yeah. So I mean, maybe our next episode, we should invite a really hot doctor. Not for my benefit is for our viewers.
Exactly. For my if you watch the video, exactly. You see what an interesting conversation we had today. Honestly, I
felt like we talked for four hours or something of it. Yeah. Anything else you want to leave with our audience, you know, even if it comes to, say, self-confidence or self-esteem issues and stuff like that, which a lot of us still struggle with to.
I think if your personality is ninety nine percent, your your looks. I think you really should reflect on your life a little bit more because I think in life it's very hot to just course on by without some sort of talent and always have self, you know, something that you can be proud of. It's always nice to go and put in a lot of effort in whatever you're doing, regardless of how well you look, how nice you look, right? And if you put in the effort,
you will get somewhere. Yeah, you have success. Yeah, and self-esteem and all these things, right? It is a journey. Even for me. It is still is a work in progress to feel more confident about myself, right? Sometimes I think like I want to do, I sound a little bit too high pitch or like, you know, do I sound whiny or do I look like too old to
tie it? It is a work in progress, and it is something that at the end of the day, you need to find value in your life beyond just ascribing it to how you look.
Yeah. And I think at the end of the day as well, when we watch videos of their photos, you know, and you like, pick on certain things, I think we're just like, we're hypocritical of ourselves, and maybe we just have to learn how to let go and not be so conscious about like, Oh, that I don't know what that wrinkle or that like. I don't know what it is that I mean.
OK, stop, stop. I know.
And also, like a lot of people out there watching, right, I think honestly, I don't take everything you see on the internet like Facebook. Yes, right. There's a lot of things that goes into creating this content, whether it's Photoshop law or this, that no bill ever. There's a lot of things that goes on behind the scenes that you may not know. So just don't take it at face value and trust 100 percent. Be more discerning. Yes, I
think I would like to encourage. Oh, I would like to advocate for more discerning viewers and audience members, because then it will make the social media basically be like own self on the check, on the people on social media. Yeah, in a sense, you be that checks and balances. Yes. To create a more holistic social media landscape
and a healthier one is yes, you know, it's getting so toxic in some places out there. So, yeah, thank you so much
for being with us today. Thank you for having me. We have to
hang out again soon. Yes, especially when we get said Hot Doctor in the studio.
I will be going to yes, you will be cam for Cam
or you can be the boom Mike. Yes. Which, by the way, we don't need a boom. I hold it, but we'll call
it a rule. I will create a room for you. Thank you so much once again for listening
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