Before Crips

Before Crips. I was able to talk to him about this historical book about the community. It gives the rundown in history on the games and the sex and the that have over the years since the fifties um and lead inspiraled into what became the world famous, well known Crypts and Bloods. His book Before Crypts is giving you the history and legacy of all the movers and shakers that pre dated the Crypts and Bloods. And so this is what isn't a historic book, and it shows that

gangs have been around long before or sex. You know these different tribes and sex and gangs they all mean the same. You know the group of individuals who buying together for common cause. And oh, most of what took place before bloods and crypts um they were called the Slawson, Sex and a kill. A K really known in the streets as bird. I gave it his real know, his his real name, but the streets only normal as bird

and uh for thunderbird. So I did that interview with him, so I want, you know, so sit back, relax, enjoy that interview. I also have on this segment a book review, because right now everybody's talking about the recession by any other name. But it's a recession and I know first account. I see the numbers that I'm in business, and I see the you know, the less customers and the sales numbers. And it's been occurring for quite some time. Man. We you know, it's star with inflation, and then it moved

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condimn slowed down. Two consecutive quarters of non growth. That has always historically been the definition of a recession. And we're not gonna change it now. We're not. We're gonna sept reality to deal with reality. We're not gonna let people play with us and play with our minds and try to make us feel that something is not what it really is. People are filling it, people at the gas pump, buying groceries, making ends meet, trying to pay

your rent. And let me tell you something this. That's why I'm doing a book review because people need to get good with their money. That's right, get good with your money. And the book review is about get good which your money. And the author is Tiffany Ality and she's also a k known as Budgetista and her book is about, you know, ten steps to becoming financially home. So basically, we need to get good with our money and we need to be smart about our money because

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be smart. You gotta make good money moves. So I'm gonna do my book review on this book called Get Good with Money by Tiffany Alici. The a k a. Budgetsia so enjoyed this episode. Well a kill, thank you for taking this time out to allow me to interviews from my podcast called Melik's Bigshelf Bringing the World Together

with books, culture and community. Then your book just came out, It's called Before Crips and we got an event coming up August six at Holly Park Hunting in Van Nez where all the O g s are gonna be coming out. You've been doing this um gathering at the at you know, around l A for how many years now? Uh? Well, actually we started way back in the seventies, but consistently about we started to sending another park. We stayed there for fifteen years and then we left and went at

Rally Park Hunts, and then we came to Holly Park. Okay, but but we always had out the little neighborhood Reunion. The neighborhood Reunion is gonna be taking place August six, Holly Park and the book that just came out featuring a Kills Balkany cal Fani before Crips, peasant cousin and discussing amongst South Central or South Los Angeles juvenile games. Let's get that title right. And well, hey, the book

is out. You're gonna be doing a book signing this upcoming sideurday, August six, And I just want to tell my audience about your great landmark in the history before Crips. Well, I really don't like to talk about myself. The book. The book is self character a lot and a lot of people. If you look in Elaine Brown's book about the Black Panthers on page one forty two, you'll see my name bird mentioned. If you look in in uh lewis uh tach Woods book called what is it called? Uh,

it's a book he roll with. I can't remember the name of right now, but my name is Slawsthing and my name is in there. And uh if you look at uh so it's a book about before Chris we're talking about. I know, I understand understand that, I understand. I see uh in the video that that we made in two thousand and eight, okay, which is related to the book, and aroundabout way, it was called made in America,

made in America, crypt and bless made in America. That tells you a lot and didn't have a YouTube video with keV mat okay, and a lot of people think you know game started with bloss and cryps, Crypts and bloss now the original crip frame in Washington, and all of them grew up an our neighborhood. In the book, it has an explanation of why they're why they are called crypts in the roundabout way, so what the neighborhood was called back then? Slawson Sawlson Village, Village, Carlson villis.

But if you ever heard, if you ever heard of the Avenues, I'm talking about the Black Avenue, Craig months in them, Okay, that starts in our neighborhood. Craig months in Them grew up in our neighborhood. If you read Craig months Ins book, he called me up and I didn't know he mentioned me on the third dage of his book. I'm not gonna tell you what he said. I if anybody is interested, they can look that up

and see what he has to say about it. So the book, I'm a little profile, but little profile, and bird was your name back in the back in the day. It's still all the way back from seven okay for my correct nickname, my great old nickname and Thunderbird okay, okay.

So so this book shows a history of black games emerging in Los Angeles and their evolution into the most you know gains of all, which is you know, everybody know the famous Cribs and Blood's name, but before That's why your book is called before Crypt because it's giving you a history about going back to the fifties, long before about what twenty years before the Crypt and showing that out of the Slawston neighborhood that the next generation

they became the Crypt and Bloods. Yeah okay, and said another thing, it's not only everything is not about my neighborhood. On the page your book when you first opened it, there the map. It has a lot of different areas named. We didn't get all of them, but different names of different different too. We see when you mentioned games and we didn't say games back then, we will say what set are you from? What click are you from? See from from that set? So tell me some of the sets.

You got businessman's you got roy Sniders, you got Fevlos, you got Roman twenties, okay, you got you got vineyards, you got uh you got uh what's really call them? You got vineyard you had uh okay, you had all the watch Watch has had farmers, Uh, Orientals, Uh, Saracens, uh d'ardanians. Uma. They had the club jackets. I'm trying to thank you. We're talking a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just what's at the time. Compton when you passed Imperial in the in the first the fifties, Okay, when

you cross Imperial. Uh see what people know Wiscompson is east of west of all Meter, Okay. And and um my cousin moved on the thirty Nights and Central in nineteen fifty okay. And that's when blacks started pulling up Compton. And that's what you call West Compton. See. Uh what what was the president's name? Uh uh he grew up in Compton. Bush Bush, the daddy Bush grew up in Compston. But that's on the west east side of the the Compton

that I didn't know Bush in Compton. Yeah, you were looking at the former President Bush, Daddy Bush now daddy okay, the former the daddy of former President, but grew up in the still didn't know that Cintenio High School was built. It was completed around nineteen fifty five. I think my cousin, my cousin Eugenie's, was about five years older than me. He was in the first class at Centennial. Cintennia was only high school in all of Los Angeles that was

one story, okay. All the other things they had two story. And the reason they built Centennial right there on the also Gundo in Central is to keep more more and more blacks to come into Compton High School, see, which is across all Meta going eat and old different timeline. It was no such thing as Carson and all the other places. You know, they didn't have that. Oh that was Seals and you got to Long Beach. See in

those days, we went everywhere. Well when in black people started moving west because because east started with the one tin right, the one yeah, the one ten Okay, we're called it the Harvard Freeway. That's what the original name of this Harvard Freeway. It was completely okay, and that's right there right across Broadway, Okay, and see see the separation between east and west is Main Street, okay, now

Main Street. If you if you're on the uh, the east side of the Main your address begins with the one going east. If you're on the west side of the man, you addressed going with the one going west. But because when they built the freeway to go right after Main comes Broadway and then between many probably from

Lott side streets. So what happened everybody strugged. Everything that was east of the freeway, including Broadway and Maine became black people and white people was on the west, yeah, mostly mostly, but down by, downed by what they called down by what Golden State new To and all that

big Africatin that area. They had a lot of blacks down every the ones with money, you know, they lived down where River now, which is called the churches see some Murray's Church and down up in there order that you know had your black extended and they called it not I think they called it sugar Hill or something whatever it was open. You know, a lot of blacks lived done at the time. But and one of our friends that lived over here on Hooper down the street

from me. Okay, their family moved around normally where normally runs I mean nowhere, but it's like, uh, forty forty eight runs into Normandy. And they had moved west. And that was like everybody was like, oh wow, they moved to the west because Washington, that sugar Hill area, that's where Ray Charles and was living all and everybody, we're l a people. I wasn't born I was born in Table, but we're l a people, you know. And and see all the different sets okay, because you had you had

blood Alley right now, the Mexicans called it. Uh, they got some new set of Mexico over there right on the side of the Normandy and and and the freeway. They uh, what is that not the one one eight one runs east and west down there by Washington. They changed the names of things as time Path, but it's still the same. So what happened here where? Where? Where

this history before the crypts? And how did the crypts become the dominant you know, you know when most people believe that that's when the you know game started, sex started in the seventies. How how did this piece of history just become missing? Because see, see certain types of people failed to grow up for one thing, Okay, and and uh, I think somewhere in the books mentioned in

Jerry Cloud uh at the professor Quicker. Okay, when I first met him in four, I was going to cal State Domina Steal and I've seen in the catalog there was uh, you know game class I went in there, he explained, He explained it in the book the day I walked in its class. So you called off to the book with John professor John Quaker. Right, Well, he grewed on. He grewed on to me like a sweatshirt. Okay. We've been tysing since four ye see, and that's thirty

eight years ago. Yeah, we've been tight ever since then. He's been to think to our reunions, our dances, his wives and all that kind of stuff. He came from New York. He the thing is, uh the question you just asked me. He asked me that back quite a few years ago. And I tried to explain to him that you know, you know, when you know, when you get a certain as you get off the set. Okay. But some people didn't, okay, And some people went to jail, some people died, some people moved out of state, out

of town or someplace else. And so I took him upon seventy eighth and Cental, which is our stronghold and one of the original crip duds. There, Jerry Cloud, he met Raymond Washington. All them grew up together. Plus Raymond Washington came from about eight blocks from where where I'm talking to you from now. If you look at my video mac video is from two thousand and eighteen, and then at the title, it's birds Soldier of the Streets to the other that has five parts of nothing longer

in twenty minutes. And then the second one is called bird edging location that was not It has fourts for what parts nothing longer as twenty minutes. Okay, that is explained a whole lot of stuff, or can that? Jerry Cloud so too quicker in a matter of two minutes, you know, And he had been hitting me here for about three years. Well, how come they called? They said, I said, what, they're from our neighborhood. We said, what there? Why?

They said they creb We see. Jerry Cloud told him that when they started hanging around him and Raymond, Craig Cradoff and all of them started hanging around again, they were doing what they were doing because Raymond was running with Craig much in him from what they called the avenues. When I go to the the Black guys and then before they have a Latino gang. Avenue has been around since Heck was a puppy and he said, great dog now and they're out there Highland Park. They've been around that.

The original with avenues months in them became avenues because of the streets they lived on Central to the Avenue, Compton Avenue, Promerly Avenue, some more Avenue there. All of them lived on different streets and all those streets were avenues instead of streets like you say twenty third Street. But if you got an avenue, that's that's not a street that the years the street. But you know, Avenue is kind of up, you know, and so anywhere Craig

Raymond Washington was a baby Avenue. Okay, but he was, you know, and he was trying to be with create Months, like the Create Months had to beat him down, you know. Then he went in and that's when he got busted up. Okay, and some other dudes. Here's a lot of what people that say that the Chris got their name for this. Cris got that name from that. But I knew I know the youngsters who named him the crib for Raymond,

and and all the boards was all busted up. They had canes and they were not all that the They were walking around cripple see okay, and that's how they got the name crips. That's how they got Yeah. Yeah, let see if they came from my neighborhood right here, and it was not right if just the birth this is the next generation that you gave birth to. Yes, yes, they couldn't use our name. They got out of control. But see if if they had been under our name,

they would have been under control. M say, because it's if our neighborhood goes actually goes back uh to the nineteen party. But but it wasn't named. Why was it? Why wasn't you able to get them under control? Why what happened? Was there some corn tail going on? Was there some infiltration by the c I a FBI to put one group against Okay, listen, teriously you full the fluid and ready to do it. Yeah, see everybody that you know, everybody was, oh, so I gotta see I'm

seven in nine years old. People got married, people moved, people got off the set and everything and had really had nothing to dude do those youngsters some of them were looted to his brothers, some of some people's grandchildren. And when they started off, they they didn't become they weren't like what they are now. I'll make a real simple When you have you have christens, then you have blood. Okay, now you take you take your your mama sweepers. Take

the pie. Okay, you cut that down the liddle. On one side you got cripps, and one side you got bloods. Okay, and the old there's your mama sweeper. Take the pie. Okay. When you open up that book, on that map on there you see all them different neighborhoods and on different streets and different parts of town. Okay. When you cut you your little slice out of the pie, that was your set. And and then your brother cut he set out.

That's it. It's different. It's a different age. But everybody knew everybody in l A. These are people say, used to shoot. Some people got shot, some people got stabbed, you know, some people got the hell yeah is real. Yeah, and see but when we were going up, if you couldn't throw down, oh you had to get off the set. You couldn't run run us in every neighborhood. You couldn't

run with us, you know. Like one of my sons, I tell him about a guy named Slow Charles from what He used to walk all the way from the from the Nicholson Pride Ject down down Central Uti the terms in the Hooper and walk all the way across down to downpast Lowson Park by himself. Okay, and people if he wanted to jump him because he was from what But you know, we told you know, if he ain't doing nothing, if he ain't doing the ain't bothering nobody.

You ain't got no business body watching the enemy. Watch the End Year watches the enemy as a whole. But everybody from Watch wasn't enemy because I used to live with Watch before I moved up this neighborhood in nineteen. He's still going on. You know. They had terms and and issues with each other going back to the fifties, back to the forties and fifties, sixties. See see what they call uh what do they call it? Circle city? Paru? Okay, that right there? Okay, I have five steps of families

to live them live right after there. And my cousin was going there, but going right on uh Zamora hundred six of Zamora in nineteen forty eight. And I used to ben't watch all at the time. See okay, but if you look about it my YouTube video, you get all this information. Killed Botany, Californi. It was a pleasure to have you in this interview about before the crypts to give us a lesson about the fuss and the

cousin and discussing amongst Los Angeles juvenile gangs. Yeah, let me explain the fuss and cussing and discussing to you. See what at first uh Temple University with printed book, they didn't want to use that part. But I had explained to him see and Professor Quicker Okay, when I first tour us him, I didn't know he's the one to put it. Yeah, put it up. A guy had missed it to him a long time ago, way before

we thought about a book. Because as a kid, I don't know where you came from and where everybody else came from, especially they got parents and runs just from the South, and you've got grandmother's uncles and other thing like when the kids outside playing and fighting and talking. All right, y'all got that fuss and cussing out. And

I added to discussing to it. Okay, so cussing and that was my my part, okay because I always heard old people because y'all gout that fussing and cussing out and so and I put the discuss because after you get to fussing and custom what do you do? You discuss it? Yeah? So kill It's a pleasure. Um I have you featured on Malik's bookshelf of bringing the world together with books, culture and community. Thank you for the interview. Your book is out Before Crypting, Before Crypts, foss and

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