Welcome to Mac Geek Cab, where we are going to express how happy we are because we truly live in a world of wonder where we can have multiple timers on our iPhones, at least starting in this fall. That and other announcements and our reactions to them from Apple's WWDC keynote today, this evening, later today, because we already released an episode this morning, Monday, June 5th, 2023. Music.
Greetings, folks, and welcome to Mac Geek Cab episode 985, the show where normally you send in and all your questions and your tips and your cool stuff found a feedback at MattGeekYub.com. But today we are hot on the heels of watching Apple's keynote, watching Apple's State of the Union and consuming a great deal of caffeine in the process, which you can probably already tell. And we've got lots to share with you. So we're going to share it here in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton.
Oh, look, I'm on screen. Hi, I'm Jeff Gammon. all the way from Boulder, Colorado. And here in Lee, New Hampshire, it's Pilot Pete. Oh man, this is great, but boy, was that a marathon session or what? It was. So yeah, normally, Jeff, welcome to the show. Why, thank you. It's always a treat to get to hang out with you and Pilot Pete. Yeah, welcome. I should say welcome back to the show. This is certainly not your first appearance here.
I believe this is at least your third, if not fourth appearance here on Mackey Cab. But who's counting? Certainly not me. I have not been counting. Yeah, same. I'm just doing it in my head. You mentioned that you were on video and you are. I will remind all of us that our audience is mostly on audio, so we just need to make sure that we do our level best to explain any of the things that we might be showing.
That said, we have in the past and today will also give ourselves permission with these keynote reaction episodes to make them more video heavy than they than our normal episodes might be. And so but you can always watch the video at Mackeycub.com or mgg.fm slash 985 will get you right to this episode and the video will be right there you can find it on YouTube or any of that stuff. So, um...
We are not all we are also not here to Recap the entirety of the keynote you can go watch it There are lots of written recaps if we were to recap everything and react we'd be here for five hours And well you folks already know how long this is because you get to see how long it is
We don't yet know, but we're hoping to keep it at about an hour. Let's see how we do, New Macs were announced today I'm excited about the MacBook Air, the 15-inch Air, I need to go touch one to decide if I want it to be the thing that replaces a 13-inch M1 Air that I have, but I am excited about that. Any thoughts from you there on that one, Jeff? Didn't Jeff?
Stuff that comes with the the pro model. I'll go to 14 inch. So it's a little bit smaller. I love my choice, Okay, but if I was making that choice today It would be much more difficult to choose between that 14-inch MacBook Pro and this new 15-inch MacBook Air, Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Yeah. Yeah 14-inch MacBook Pro Which chip did you get in your 14-inch MacBook Pro Jeff? Oh crap, what were our options? The Pro and the Max? Yeah, I believe that's right. Yep.
Oh my God, I have to go look. I don't actually remember. All I know is I spend a lot of money. Uh, um, Mac book pro 14 inch. Um, so I, I have the, I have the pro the empty pro. Great. So I am looking at the, um, the, the specs on the, like the Apple creates a, a beautiful sort of highlight screen of, of this, but I'm also looking at this, the comparison of the specs between the M2 15-inch MacBook Air, which they announced today, as well as the M2 13-inch MacBook Air
that was available, say, yesterday. And in terms of, like, horsepower, and by the way, your MacBook Pro beats these. Yes. Right. So, but in terms of horsepower, It's got the same 8-core M.2, it's got the same 10-core, uh... The same 10-core, uh, graphics, the GPU chip. It's got the same 24 gigs of unified memory. Uh, up to 24 gigs of unified memory. Same storage capability, same 18 hours.
It's really, like, in terms of the guts of it, It is the same thing, except it has this 15.3 inch screen as opposed to a 13.6, which gives you 2880 by 1864 pixels. So a little bit more. It is almost exactly the same thickness as the 13 inch Air, but of course it's what about an inch, maybe a little over an inch and a half wider and maybe an inch sort of taller. I mean, I don't know what Apple said. Paul says the depth is the...
From the bottom of the keyboard to the top of the keyboard, like from the bottom of the trackpad to the top of the keyboard, that's what they call depth. That's 9.35, I don't know what we would call that. Like, that's a weird measurement to use it, but it's a weird word to say, but so. Well, it's a clever way to make your computer sound smaller since you're not going from edge to edge on the case. No, no, you are going from edge to edge. That's what I'm saying, but it like- Oh, you are?
The word depth, I'm just trying to use it to describe, because like the width of it, like depth I guess, because there's length and width. I don't know why you call that depth, but anyway, that's the word they use. But that measurement across when you are sitting at it is 9.35 inches versus 8.46. So it's, you know, an inch deeper and an inch and a half wider. So it's substantially larger form factor than its 13 inch brother, which obviously-
It makes sense. It makes sense. I mean, you need space for the screen. You need space for the screen. It, that does allow them to fit two more speakers in. It's got six instead of four. Um, which I suppose is, is, you know, I mean, more is better. Um, and the rest of it is basically the same. That's it. It's, it's the, um, yeah. Well, the cool thing, you know, it's three pounds, so that's nice. Yeah. It's a half pound more than the, uh, than the other one.
Yeah, but it's definitely lighter than the pros Carrying one of those around. Yeah, but that you know, that is what it is The six speakers is great, and I'm glad to see that they've stuck with the magsafe, I was so disappointed that they'd gone away from that and I think magsafe is a brilliant. Anti-damage. Yes. Do you use magsafe on your on your new one Pete?
For the first time today I have For those that don't know, you can plug a USB-C into your MacBook Pro Z port and it will charge the battery. I started using the MagSafe today just because the only damage I have on my 13-inch MacBook Pro that's a year and a half old is a nick from when I managed to pull it off the table. Nice! the USB cable attached to it so. All right, so there's the 15-inch Air, we also got the Mac Studio, which now has-
Before you go, I got one other reason I love the new Air. Great. Because Debbie is on the market for a new MacBook, and that brings the current ones down by a hundred bucks a piece. It does. And refurbs down even more than that, I would think. Yeah, so there are some nice machines out there that are really smoking And it really good prices now compared to what they were yesterday. Yep. Yep. I agree. No, it's a, this opens up a nice spot in the, in the product line.
There's, there's also, as I said, the max studio now has M2 max and ultra. And finally, the transition to Apple Silicon, I will say is nearly complete. Apple said it's complete. And I don't like that because it means we aren't getting a large screen, Apple Silicon iMac. That's right. Well, Dave, we all have to learn to cope with disappointment at some point in our life. Yes, we do. Oh, I've run Ventura on this computer. Of course, I've learned to cope with disappointment.
He knows disappointment from the very core. But the Apple Silicon Mac Pro is. The Mac Pro is now Apple Silicon, if you want it to be, and it starts at about seven grand, just a dollar shy of seven grand, but no one's going to buy that one. So I saw somebody on Twitter spec'd it out fully, all the way up to about 50k. So you know. Oh my goodness, really? You know, considering the market that this computer is aimed at.
Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, this isn't something that we buy to use at home. No, it's not. And the Mac Studio solves the problem, at least in the product line of offering the prosumer Mac, if you will, for the home or the home office. Whereas this is the heavy duty Mac. There will still be some people that choose to buy it who don't need it. Obviously. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Any thoughts? So all of the new Macs are on the table for discussion here.
What do we have to add before we move on to the new operating system? I've got an initial impression on it and that was that, you know, they upgraded the Pro. I kind of expected that they would sideline the Pro for good, discontinue it. And so the Pro almost seems superfluous considering you can get a low-end studio, for a pretty good price to what, I don't know.
Yeah, I think, well, I mean, your point, Jeff, is that the pro is for actual pros in, you know, design production studios and not many other people. Yeah, when Apple showed off the new Mac studio and they're showing off the processor and all of of that, I wondered, has Apple tricked us and the Mac Pro has.
Been in front of us all along? And what I was wondering is if they were going to say, so here's the Mac Studio, now here's how it becomes a Mac Pro, and then they show this add-on thing that becomes a click-on module that gives you all the other expansion, and then you have a Mac Pro. Thing that becomes a click on module that gives you all the other expansion. And then you have a Mac Pro. Because the horsepower you have in the Mac Studio, it's a pro machine as far as functionality goes.
There's some other things that pro users need that go beyond the limited hardware expansion that you get with the studio. Hardware expansion that you get with the Studio. So they wrap that up and I'm like, okay, so I was wrong, that's okay, but it was a fun idea. And then they start talking about the Mac Pro and they're showing what they're doing with it.
I'm like, I wasn't exactly completely wrong because basically that one box that's up in the corner, is a Mac Studio without the Studio case on it. It's just basically that same hardware. But then you have all this other expansion stuff that goes with it that really makes it a pro. Yeah, yeah. I, yeah, I, uh, yep. I like that idea. Obviously they went a different route, but that's. They went the correct route. I think you're probably right. Yeah. Yeah.
Uh, all right. And then, uh, any, so now we have macOS Sonoma. Uh, which speaking of these disappointments, well, you know, I mean, Apple's going to Apple there. There are lots. They're going to upgrade their operating system every year. Yep, so we were hoping here on Mac Geek Gab, I was hoping here on Mac Geek Gab, Jeff, that Apple might go to an every other year cycle with Mac OS and in this year maybe do, you know,
a Snow Ventura with bug fixes. Sure, I'd love that. Yeah, we all would, but we don't get that. But we do, I mentioned it in the in the intro, Apple talked about it during iPad OS, but digging into stuff, we get multiple timers on every platform, including macOS. So see, Apple's all about innovation. That they are. Yeah. We truly live in a world of wonder, uh, up to their watch. That's right.
Yup. Uh, we get widgets on the desktop, which like, and, and we get some of those widgets like notification widgets that can come over via continuity from iOS. So that's going to be interesting, like more integration from that standpoint, which I I'd like. Go ahead. Okay. I heard you. I was going to let you finish, but at the same time, I was like, no, I have something
to say. Yeah. All right. So, what you just mentioned, the widgets with the ability to have notifications or whatever from another device on your Mac, interactions, this hits on what to me is the core feature. For all the new OSs that Apple is rolling out this year. And it's interactivity and collaboration. So that's collaboration between your devices and collaboration with other people. To me, that's what these updates are. Yeah, you're right.
And a big one is the video conferencing add-ons that they added to macOS, which I want to stress after having watched the platform State of the Union, which is sort of the keynote for developers ish the video conferencing stuff is all api driven meaning and and in their demos they weren't showing it with facetime they were showing it with zoom so all of this stuff there's this presenter overlay there are you can share multiple screens at once
you can share screens on your mac with the you know the little green bubble that you You never click on your Mac? Well now you can click that and if you're in a video call, including a third party video call, you can choose to share that window in your active video call. So it's no more of this, how do I find it in this jumble of things that whatever video app I'm using, it's like, no, this is the one I want to share, so let me just say to share it. So I, you know, that kind of stuff.
I like that a lot. I think that's great. And the fact that they're not trying to tell us that we have to use FaceTime for all of this, they're adding these features to the OS and making them accessible to third-party apps. I love that. Because it means they, like, it's great on the surface, but it also tells me that they are committed to the Mac. It's not just an afterthought.
Yes, and doing the focus on Zoom or highlighting Zoom instead of FaceTime, of course it's intentional because that's how Apple rolls. The message it sends isn't you have to stay in our ecosystem to use our features. It's we want to be a collaborative tool for everyone. Yes. And there you go. And there you go. Yeah.
By having all these devices talk to each other in the way they do, as seamlessly as they do, they're drawing everybody into their, well, as many people as they can, into their ecosystem. That was brilliant. And once you're in, you're not leaving, like, because it works so well. It's a commitment once you're in. Yeah. But it's a commitment you're okay with, because it all works, usually. Well, better than other places, generally.
So Safari on the Mac gets quite a few, what I think are really important features. Number one is profiles. I see that being super valuable. I was just showing somebody something the other day where they were like, oh, I have to log into a different Gmail account. And I'm like, oh, are you in Chrome already? They're like, yeah. I'm like, okay, we'll just add another profile. And it was like their mind had not ever considered that that was a way of dealing with all that stuff, right?
And now you get profiles in Safari and you get to use them the same way. You can have your home profile. So I think that's great. We now get web apps. I wonder who he's talking about. Oh, actually I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about our- Because you told me the same thing. You're absolutely right. About three weeks ago. It was about using StreamYard. I'm going to keep, you know, I do one show. I have to log out.
I have to log back in. I have to get the code. Oh dude, just use profile. Duh. Yep, I totally forgot about that. Cause I was talking to our friend Brian yesterday about profiles and it like blew his mind. It's brilliant. Web apps, I am someone who uses a few web apps currently. I use something called, I think I use Unite. There's two apps from BZG apps. One's called Unite that makes web apps out of Safari. ones called coherence, which makes them out of chrome.
Having web apps accessible is fantastic. For example, we have a Google doc that is our Mac eCab like show notes that we edit live during the show. I don't want to have to find that in a browser tab. So years ago, I built a web app using Unite and I am able to launch it. It sits in my doc. I can click on it. It comes up. It is a single app window, but it happens to be a website. And now all you have to do is drop a tab in your doc and that's it and you're done. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I know this does Sherlock the folks at BZG apps and I mean, that's never great. It creates an opportunity for them to do something that goes beyond what Apple is offering. My guess is they already are doing things that go beyond what Apple's offering. And so it's probably gonna remain. It's always been a tool for power users because it it's too, like, it's too complicated, complicated. It's the wrong word. It's too outside the box for most people to think, I want that.
Let me go find an app. That's going to give me that functionality, right? Whereas now if it's inside the box and it's right there, I think more people will do this and then probably create that opportunity for BZG apps market to grow with all their little nuanced features. Yeah. Yeah. Dump, dump question corner. Uh, I figured it out today, but it was probably four or five times in discord. I had not seen the term before.
Sherlock. Oh, so right. There was an app called Sherlock that let you search your Mac and, uh, this is a decade and a half ago, maybe more. And then I'll be more because I'm, I've been here 16 years. Yeah. So everybody used Sherlock because you needed something. Watson. No. Apple's thing was Watson. Apple's thing was, was it? Yes. Okay. The app was no it was called Watson. No, I forget. Honestly, I thought. I don't even remember anymore. There was an app.
It was a long time ago. I forget the name of it. Someone will write in to feedback at MacGeekAb.com and tell us. Dumb question. Skip that. No, it's not a dumb question. There was an app that everyone used to search their Macs, and everybody had it because you needed it. And then in Mac OS 8, thank you Mark M in our discord at live.macgeekup.com. Apple introduced the Sherlock functionality in Mac OS 8, which completely negated the need for this very popular third-party app.
And so that's why we have adopted the term Sherlocking. So Apple made Sherlock and it killed off the need for everyone to have the ubiquity of this other app. So yeah. Okay, so yeah, Sherlock, my quick Google search. There was a different built-in search feature named Sherlock named after the, oh wait, nevermind. That actually doesn't help at all. Yeah, yeah, I forget what the app's name was, but the app was not Sherlock. It was, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway.
Somebody will help us and get there at some point. But anyway, we will move on. Um, so web apps and then, and this goes to every, every device with the new software, we get to share. ICloud keychain passwords and passkeys with a group of people, if you would like, which. Sherlock's parts of 1Password, because that's one of the main reasons that people have used 1Password is because of that. Okay, all right, because that one stumped me. I'm like,
isn't that the point of a password that the other people can't get? No, like there's password. So why would you want to share it? But yeah, I get it. It's because we have a family vault and a private vault. Or a business vault, right? Sure. Yep. Absolutely. So. You know, it doesn't really Sherlock that future in one password, because it's like so many of these things where Apple gives us a little bit. So if it's something you need, it's there. But if it's something that you need, or you,
really need it, and it needs to be something beyond just this very basic thing, then third-party apps step in. Like keychain did not Sherlock one password. And the app that first got Sherlocked was called Watson. Oh, wow. Okay. So they Apple knew exactly. From Corellia Software.
Yeah, that's it. Right. Thank you. I have one more feature in macOS that was not announced in the keynote. You know that wonderful thing that we do when, or that we get to do when a two factor code is sent to us via SMS and it just autofills right there in Safari? Sometimes. Right. Most times. Most times. Yep. Now, it will look for those same codes in mail. On all your devices. Fine frickin'ly. Not just, not just on Mac, but, but, you know, iOS and iPadOS get this too. So, yeah, I know.
It's, it's pretty handy. That'll be handy. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. It's good. It would be made obsolete, obsoleted by past keys. Yeah, well, eventually. Not everything.
We hope. Yes. It will get there. And then the one last thing I believe that I have in the not announced during the keynote list for macOS Sonoma is that it adds, and I think again this is across all the platforms, lookup and Apple's description is find recipes for similar dishes just by using a photo look up information on an object that appears either in a picture or in a paused video frame so you can pause the video and say find me more things like whatever is on the screen so however
you choose to use that is up to you and there is there is a sensitive content warning now that will block you from having to see images that are sent to you that on device, your device decides has nudity and other sort of trigger warning things in them. So, sorry, Pete. You're gonna have to let me know you're sending me those photos first. Okay. That's a little creepy. Is it time to move on?
One other quick thing, the widgets that fade, you know, they're there, but they fade nicely into the background. Less distracting. A lot of thought went into that. I agree. I love what they're doing with the widgets, and I love the idea of using them and I know me. It is not a feature I'm going to take advantage of on my Mac. Yep. Yeah. There's, there's a lot of distraction potential there.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, they used to be a lot more prominent and interactive, not so many OS's ago back in tiger and lion, were they not? And then they just kind of faded off into the. Yeah, they went away and then they came back and now they're trying to find a way to bring them back. Make them more interactive again. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Alright, so we all knew it was coming, Apple did wind up using the phrase one more thing,
which I don't believe we've seen since Steve passed away. Since the Apple Watch. It was the Apple Watch, okay. I wonder, yes, right, the Apple Watch got a one more thing. Right, that's right, okay, thank you. As those words were coming out of my mouth, I was thinking, wait a minute, no, I was sitting there in the, you know, in the room where that happens. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's with awful cell service or something. There was some server outage that day that we had at Mac Observer or something. Oh, I vaguely remember that. You were using some kind of a... Everybody has. Yeah. Yeah, there was some... Anyway, they used it when they, today, when they announced the Vision Pro, the Apple Vision Pro, which is, as they call it their spatial computing headset. Uh, thoughts, Jeff? This is some crazy fracking cool technology.
Regardless of whether or not this is something you're interested in using personally, as, they say, holy forking shirt balls, what they showed off... Shut up, Mike. It's... It is eye-watering cool. When Zuckerberg did the new meta headset announcement a few days ago to get out in front of Apple's news, what he probably learned today, in retrospect, is that he should have just kept his mouth shut and not said anything about this cheapo headset that they're designing.
And I say cheapo because the selling point on that product, It's not the features, it's the price point. But with Apple's, it's the features. I think they're doing an amazing job, if this does everything as well as they're claiming. I'm completely isolated when I put my headset on, so that you can have a sort of mixed reality environment, but you can control that level.
And so I can completely immerse in a movie or project I'm working on, but then dial it back literally so I can see to go and get a snack out of the fridge. Right. What I likened it to when I was talking to my sister earlier tonight was it's like wearing ski goggles. I mean, my hope was that this was going to be something that would work with my glasses. Okay, we don't have that technology yet. I bet in 10 years, a pair of glasses will do it.
Maybe 20, but I was like, oh man, I really hope that they don't have this big, heavy, plastic, solid thing. And the brilliance that they've put into this, the thought of, it's like looking at ski goggles. Now obviously it's projected. Onto the screen. It's not a clear lens, but they make it look like a translucent lens, that you're looking at somebody's face. You're looking at their eyes. So if someone winks,
you can see one eye closed. And it's like a video of their face underneath there. It's so cool. I mean, it just, the thought that went into it is... Well, they also did something that I haven't seen than any of these other VR headset makers do, which is genuinely address vision issues.
I have never found a VR headset that I like or can wear it in more than just a few minutes because I have to wear glasses with them, which smashes my glasses into my face, which screws up the focal distance, and then it hurts. And if I take my glasses off, there's no way to get the image in focus, even though it's close to my face.
And what Apple did was they designed it so that you have control over that distance between your pupils with the lenses, and you can put prescription lenses in these things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right? I found it very interesting that the word reality was either never used, or if it was used, It was used in passing.
It was not a, in fact, I didn't hear the word reality come out of an Apple employee's mouth during the announcements today, other until they started talking about reality kit during the state of the union, right? They, the, the term they use, and I think, I think that the reality distortion field has, has eroded enough that I'm, I'm confident saying what I'm about to say. I think spatial computing is the right term to use for what they showed us today.
This is, it's not the virtual reality, gimmicky stuff. It's not even what we have, in my opinion, what we have seen as augmented reality. It's you are using your computer in this way, not you are interacting with your environment, with this like extra thing on. This is your computer or a computer, just like your phone is a computer that you have, your Mac is a computer that you have.
This, for the people that will have it, is another computer that they will have, we will have, that you interact with in its native way. But it's not the lens on your environment, It is.
Another way of interacting. I think there's people who will have this that Maybe would have a MacBook and an external monitor and won't buy the external monitor But they also won't buy a 60-inch TV for their apartment, Especially somebody who lives alone right like yeah remains to be seen how this works with multiple people and like like all of that. But well they will for a while as long as you can get a 60-inch TV for under $500. Well. Yeah You're not gonna buy a whole family $3,500 headsets.
No, but if you're in a studio apartment and it's just you, you know, is there a world where this makes more sense, or if you are someone who spends a great deal of your life on airplanes or whatever, think about it. You have, you know, the smallest MacBook Air that you can get, or an iPad, and then this This thing is your screen on an airplane, in a hotel room, wherever you are in your space, you're not space constrained.
So this idea of spatial computing with computing being the focus of what you are using this device for, yes, sure, we use our computing devices for entertainment as well, and that's certainly part of this, but it's, I don't know, that was the part of this that really obviously struck struck me.
I'm with you. When they were going through the demo, or going through all the features and showing stuff off, they got to the point where they took us into that design studio and showed it being used there. And when they hit that, that was the point where I really felt like I found a solid, case, because up until that, it was just this really fracking cool technology.
But being able to have your business workspace where it takes up as much space as you need in your face, but not in your real world. And I was looking at it thinking the same thing you said, which is, you have your laptop and you have this, but you don't have a big display. And I was looking at my desk thinking, I've got this 34-inch wide curve display right here.
If that went away, my whole desk really opens up and I can sit here and work and have a much bigger screen than I do right now, especially when they show the part where it just through the screen from your laptop up in front of your face. And then make it bigger. And then make it bigger. Yep, and think about people who work, in either cubicles or even open space environments where, again, where space is at a premium, you can be with other people, you can collaborate with other people.
I think certainly this is not the first, this is not the last of these that we will see. I think, you know, there will be other vendors who probably much less expensively create something that approximates bits and pieces of this, but maybe not the entire feature set of it. But that, like, if you're going to outfit an office of 20 people and you're like, wait, I don't want to buy the monitors, but let's do this type of thing and get there.
As long as it's, like you said, the point is, or the key is, how smooth will it be? The price, the price point at $34.99, my first thought, well they said $34.99 and you can't get it until next year. Right. Okay, great. Can't even place a pre-order. My guess, like we saw with the original iPhone, there will be more features, it will get better, the battery life they say is 2 hours if you've got the little battery pack or whatever.
It's definitely gonna be 4 or 5 hours, they're gonna say, oh we figured out a way to make it more efficient. And it's going to be less than $34.99. That's my prediction. Obviously I have no insight. I like this prediction. I also, and I can't take credit for this next bit, but I eventually will take credit for it, but not today. I saw somebody, I think it was on Mastodon saying, You know, they called this the Apple Vision Pro.
Doesn't that mean that we will eventually have apple vision air That does some subset of these features right for a lower price, you know, yada yada, Yeah, so I like I was thinking the same thing and I think the other thing that's going to be cool about this, excuse me the the augmented reality and.
Not to be nitpicky. I they I know they use the term ar if they didn't use augmented reality, I remember them saying AR, because they were talking about being able to hand things back and forth and working within your room and seeing people and interacting.
But the thing that I see huge potential for is training, be it flight training, training surgeons, training mechanics, training anybody on anything where, you know, it's expensive to go work on a jet engine or get a donated jet engine at your school. Now you don't need one. You know, that sort of thing. It's expensive to get, well, cadavers are probably expensive too, but it's expensive to have people come in and volunteer to be operated on in open heart surgery.
Now you don't need it. I'm amazed at where this is going to go. This does, they showed it working with, or they said it would work with a keyboard and a mouse. For those use cases, they showed it being used with a traditional game controller.
And I like I and then of course you know hand gestures one thing that was described in the, state of the union is, That you can I think it was either an AR kit or reality kit that Allows you developers not us as users But developers can create custom hand gestures to use in their app So there will be the, the, you know, sort of system wide gestures that work all throughout vision pro
But if you have a specific thing that your app needs people to be able to do you can create your own custom gestures For them to do with their hands in your app. So I thought that was pretty that was pretty cool, too. Go ahead Pete go you go first. Oh, I'm sorry Yeah, so I was just saying, you're going to be able to have conversations with people across the world. Yes. Like they're sitting right in the room with you, things like that. So you said that in our, our discord chat during the thing.
And I had about a minute prior to that had a thought. The way you FaceTime with this it obviously it well maybe not obviously it can't see your face and apple explained all of I mean it sees enough of your face to get your your like I gestures and things like that but it doesn't have a camera on your face that someone on a FaceTime call could see so it builds I forget what they call a digital persona of you you scan your face with the thing and.
Right, and that's all fine and good and great, and that allows you to have that, you know, meaningful conversation with somebody who's, you know, on the other side of the world or something who's also wearing one of these. It also opens up the opportunity for you to have a meaningful conversation with someone who is no longer alive. Yes. Oh, I hadn't thought about that. Yeah. This was a huge thing at CES, right?
People capturing, I think it was also called digital personas of, of, you know, themselves or relatives before they pass away. And they're including their voices and their mannerisms and all of that stuff. And you know, in a few thousand words and you can make your own Tasha Yar. You can make your own Tasha Yar. There you go. There you go. I think that has real potential for evil though. Oh, I didn't say it. I shared the idea. Good and evil. That's right.
The good and evil potential, you know, mom really wants you to sell her house now that she's... Look, she said so. Oh man. Oh man, oh man, yeah. Just saying. Okay. Yeah. We gotta go, we gotta move on here because I, I, I, um... Doesn't need to be the headset show. iOS 17. So... Wait, they announced a new iOS today? They did. Um...
Sort of? One of my favorite things that they mentioned during the iOS announcement. I'm sure we get it on all platforms again is, Search filters in messages like we have in mail, So that although we were complaining on this morning's episode that mail search filters, Are very day are very confusing to like actually get it to stick with, criteria set number one and then you know move on to criteria set number two But being able to have those in messages is better than not having them in messages.
And maybe, just maybe, by having them in messages, someone will decide at Apple, will decide, Hey, we need to make these work a little more intuitively. So maybe they get better. I don't know. We can live in hope. You know, like Craig Federighi says, we truly live in a world of wonder with those multiple timers. And maybe we can add more intuitive mail and message filters too, I don't know. You know, the fact that they took the time in the keynote to point out multiple timers.
I feel like somebody listens to this show. But it's, I mean, there were so many things that they could have highlighted and then just put this on the slide and not mentioned and it would have been totally fine. I don't know. It's ridiculous that the only place you get multiple timers right currently right now is with Apple Watch. Because you can do multiple timers there. You can't do them on any of others. With Apple's native apps on any other platform.
You can do it with Yes Lady on HomePod. Right. Ah, dang it. I knew it. Yep. This is what you brought me on. So I could remind you. I don't have home pod. I, you know, I have such a Sonos house. It wrong again, Dave, you, it's, it's okay, Dave, because, uh, I'm finding home pod to be incredibly frustrating. Oh, good. I'm I don't know why. My little pick me. I know why. Go. It's the S lady. Hmm. She, they better catch her. They didn't talk much.
They didn't talk any improvement to her and they better figure that out fast. The I had a after we got through everything but i'll put it in now I had a question to ask all of us well and I it came from I believe it was mark m in our in our discord discord thank you at mackeygub.com slash discord he asked where was a I today.
There was no mention of AI in terms of AI. Certainly there are things Apple does that use machine learning, neural networks, the building blocks of AI, we could call different pieces of AI. But there was no... I mean, in the developer state of the union, they started by talking about Swift macros, which sort of like write some code for you in your projects.
So there was this, like it was sort of there, but they never said it's like, you know, it's like a GitHub copilot, it writes your code for you, like AI. There was no mention of AI. And I, I can understand why Apple would choose to stay out of saying anything using the term AI. And I also think it's a huge mistake because Siri sucks compared to the other, assistants and unless in a good way, and it's going to, that Delta is going to get, that gap is going to get wider. Yeah.
If, uh, if they don't get on the AI bandwagon with Siri, I mean, it's already using some version of AI. Like there's some, like, obviously, but it's not good. It's amazing. You know, considering 10 years ago, right. She's amazing. Just amazing. Amazing. But compared to Google Assistant or the Amazon A-Lady, no. Just not even in the same ballpark. No. It's very frustrating because we all grew up with Captain Kirk and Captain Picard
talking to the computer and it just works. So we have an expectation. And what I think Apple is doing is taking a very different approach to AI than, say, what, well, any of these companies are doing. What Google and Amazon are doing. Yes, and then that's currently being compounded by the fact that OpenAI and other companies in that same space are rolling out large language models, and telling us it's AI. Right. And it's creating this expectation.
That's completely wrong, and people are expecting that Apple should have an LLM running on the HomePod. And when you say something, then it responds back like a human, and they're conflating this whole, artificial intelligence with large language model, and it's creating this hot mess of confusion. And I don't think Apple wants to go down that path anyhow, but they need to do something to make it clear to the average person what it is that they are doing.
I mean, I look at all these devices in front of me that have Apple logos on them, and it's obvious to me that I'm seeing AI and ML stuff happening all the time, but it's not that in-your-face Star Trek computer stuff. No, but we will. Here's the thing. You're right that saying that AI is only things that are using LLMs, large language models, like ChatGPT, is a misnomer, okay?
So, for the purposes of this conversation here, let's use the umbrella definition of AI that includes all of this stuff, including the large language models. The fact that Apple is doing nothing with a large language model, aka that thing that the general public currently calls AI, is a huge mistake. I really think it is. Because within, we already have text-based LLMs that are answering like humans.
We are much closer to having voice-based assistants that are using LLMs that will be answering like humans. I guarantee you we will see Google assistant and and Amazon a lady Doing this I'm surprised Google assistant isn't doing it yet, right? Because we're like they have barred like it's all right there We just like we are if we're six months away I'm that's probably double the amount of time that it'll it'll actually take for us to have this in our homes, right?
Because the tech is all there. We just need somebody to glue it together and you know, they already have they just need to roll it out Yep. By not having that on HomePod and iPhone and Apple Watch, Apple is going to fall so far behind in terms of, I mean, they're already behind. That's what I mean about this gap widening. I, yeah. You know, I talked earlier about the integration of all the various devices, the Mac, the iPad, the phone, the watch, that sort of thing.
If there's one thing that's going to draw people out of the Apple wall's garden, that's it. You're not wrong, but you don't have to leave, well, I guess you do have to leave the Apple walled garden You don't have to leave all your Apple devices behind. That's true. Fair enough. But maybe give it a year, If my iPhone can't do... I want Jane, right? Like, an apple- Jane from Ender's Game, right? Yeah. From the Ender Universe. Jane was the assistant that everyone had.
Jane would theoretically maintain your privacy by not telling other people what it knew about you, right? So, uh, but it was a voice assistant that was aware of everything you did, and everyone you encountered, and then would, you know, process things and be your always-on assistant. We are getting closer and closer to having that as a reality. I want Apple to be the ones that create Jane for me because I trust them with my privacy and my data more than any other company out there.
And I, I mean, it's ridiculous I even need to say that. Like, it should be obvious. And if there's any company on the planet that has the resources to do it, Apple is it. Get off the dime and do it, Apple. Yep. How is it that we've made it this far into voice assistant, AI, ML, and we still cannot give the yes lady a compound or complex statement? Right. Hey, yes lady, I'm home. Turn on the living room lights. Set the TV for the new Ted Lasso show, and let my friends.
There's no more Ted Lasso's, Jeff. Yeah, I know. Okay. Don't ruin this fantasy for me, Dave. Okay. I like your fantasy. Keep going. Yes. Yeah. Send a message to Dave that I can chat when he's ready, and you know, and... And whatever else. Lock the door. And get my slippers, darn it. Right. And just do all of these things, figure it all out from what I just said, and it just doesn't... Because DEPT can respond to those in order, item by item by item, right now.
Yep. Now, if I want to do something like turn on the living room lights, turn off the hall lights and set my office light color to blue. That's a, that's a five minute process to do it with. Assuming it works at all. Well, that's what I mean. And two of those five minutes is going and fixing yourself a drink because of how frustrated you now are. Right. Right. So, yeah. And her responding, the Google app you need to do that is not installed. Pete gets that from Siri all the time.
The Google app. The Google app you need to hear. You know, what's cool? I actually did this a couple of weeks ago. So I said, hey, S-Lady, turn off the living room lamp. Off it went. And I walked out of the room and I went, oh, I forgot something. Hey, S-Lady, turn the living room lamp on. The Google app you need to turn it on is not installed. I went, hey, S-Lady, the living room lamp that you just turned off, turn it back on. And it worked.
What? Oh, I'm sorry. You, man, you keep hitting that microphone today. I'm going to have to come over there, Pete. make me come over there. You gotta be kidding me. How on earth did that work? It shouldn't have worked, but I went, I was so frustrated. I just went, look, I just turned it off, turn it back, turn it back on. Yeah, exactly. If I was like, Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
All right. So back to the reactions from the keynote, what I'm going to do for this last little segment is we're just going to combine everything that we haven't talked about yet, which is the rest of iOS 17, because we got one item into that. Maybe there was only one item left to talk about with that. But we got one item in before we took the AI path, which we were going to take anyway. And then we have iPadOS 17, watchOS 10.
Super happy that Apple merged all the version numbers into just year, because we should have iOS 2023, iPadOS 2023, watchOS 2023. We don't have that. Uh, one of the things that, and we talked about multiple timers that I like for iOS 17 is the standby, uh, mode where you put your iPhone on a MagSafe charger and you turn it into landscape mode and it, it, it changes and it becomes a different thing. Various widgets. It's a clock. It's a calendar. It's.
Like in the first five seconds of them showing that I thought oh, this is stupid I already have what I need by my bed. I don't need this. That's it's just an alarm clock. Look, whatever I don't want it on all night anyway, and then by the. 17 second mark I had done a complete 180 and I'm like I will use this every day at my desk. This is amazing I want this right now how quickly can I install the beta?
So I'm with you. That was one of those features that well, I was hooked like right away because, my iPhone is my nightstand clock. Anyhow, yep. So now it'll be upright instead of laying flat. And at my desk, the charger stand that I have for my iPhone, it has a sensor in it. So it actually moves the coil up or down depending on on what position my phone is in. So I'll just set my phone in landscape mode in the charger, there we go. Boom, Bob's your uncle.
Yeah, it's freaking amazing. Actually he is, yeah, but yes. Fascinating. How have I known you this long? And that phrase has never come up in an opportunity for you to actually respond that way, I love it. Right. So there's that, the sharing by tapping, or not tapping, but the sharing by airdrop, by putting our phones close to each other with either our contact cards and all of that stuff. I, I. 15 years ago, there was an app called Bump. And all you had to do was bump your phones together.
I remember bumping back in the day. So we get to bump again. Bump got Sherlocked, but they went under long before they, they could claim that. So, yeah. Yeah. I'll probably stick with, with my dot card. There you go. Oh, nice. Yeah. I picked one of those up a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. Another one that's about to get Sherlocked, I think is PDF expert. I again, Your PDF it recognizes you know what you put signatures in. You don't think so? Okay. Nope.
Maybe not. But for people that don't need the features that come in PDF expert. Okay. This gives them. Yeah, it's a full featured in obviously iOS doesn't have that, but they're working in that direction. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they'll never get me like saying key chain is slowly Sherlocking one password. No, it is not, but over time, it will be a viable option, for a wider range of people. Yep, I think your comments earlier about the web apps.
And BZG apps, Unite and Coherence, it's the same here with PDF Expert. There's a few things that this does that people probably weren't gonna spend over a hundred bucks to get anyway, but this opens that door. Yeah, I, I agree. Yeah, fair enough. How about this? Finally, in 2021, uh, Apple Insider, I believe, was the first to report that our Siri remotes for the Apple TV, had Find My capability in them, but we had no way of using it or activating it, and iOS 17 finally brings that home.
We can use our phones to find the lost remote. Well, I, that may be the one that I should have led the show with instead of the multiple timers, but we've talked so much about the multiple timers here that it was obvious. But yeah, like, I, fascinating that they, the sleeper feature, we've got these things in our home. Hopefully Apple hasn't been using them to figure out where our remotes are already. Not that they were, I wish my home pod would tell me, yeah, exactly. Just let me know.
You can know, please just let me know. I actually went out of my way and went on Amazon and bought a little little rubber case that fits around my Apple TV remote and as an AirTag. Well you can get rid of that AirTag in September or October whenever we use that AirTag for something else. Exactly right. Yeah. You have to figure out something else you might lose. What they haven't done yet and I'm shocked. Shocked. They haven't given us a flat credit card size, their tag yet.
No, but there is, uh, there is one, there is an office. Oh yeah. It's the, the rolling square. People have one. I'll put a link in the show notes here. We will talk about it in nine 86. I almost talked about it in nine 84 this morning, but we ran out of time, but yeah, yeah, there is, there is one from rolling square. I'm just shocked that Apple hasn't done it yet. I know they know there's a need for it.
Speaking of find my you can now share your find my you know your air tags you can create a group of them that you can share with I think up to like five other people would say share add to air tag or find my network accessories with up to five other people everyone in the group can see the item on a map and play a sound to pinpoint the location of a shared accessory when nearby so yeah.
And the first time I lose something at a conference that has an air tag with it, all my friends, I'm sharing this with them so they can all be looking right now. That's a great idea. Right. Well, at least five. You probably have more than five friends at a conference. The five that are physically closest to me in that moment. Yes, your proximity, it makes you, puts you higher on the list of my friends. That's it, Jeff's friends. Yes, proximity-based friendship.
Proximity-based friendship. You crystallize my thoughts, Jeff. I have geofences for my friends. Yeah, there you go. Hey, we're having fun here, and that's a good thing. The mental health tracking that Apple has put into iOS 17 and the other, you know, operating systems as well. Checking in with you and then using your other data points, like your sleep and your, uh, you know, It's just your mood.
Well, but asking you about your mood, but then also relating that to, hey, when you say you're sad, 80% of the time, you didn't get enough sleep or you didn't exercise the day before, right? Like, and of course, keeping all of this on device. Or you didn't have enough to drink. Oh, sorry. Right, well, or maybe you had too much to drink. I don't know why there isn't yet a thing in Apple Health.
Like, you can log your food, you can log all this stuff. I guess it would be a third party app and they probably do exist. But to log your alcoholic beverages or whatever substances you use. Like I think it would be a good thing to just, because knowing is, is like. And as long as the, you know, and again, who do you trust with the privacy for that? Right. Bingo.
Right. Yeah, exactly. But there's, yeah, there's not a lot of big companies and I'm, I'm very distrustful of it, of even Apple, but that being said. If it's on device, it's on device. Yeah. Yeah. I think of, of, of all the big companies that I don't trust, Apple is the least of them. Yeah. I don't, I trust the most, I guess of, you know, So that, no, that's a big deal. And I had mentioned it in the discord at some point that, you know, that's going to be, I think, helpful.
Oh. For people that are in my situation, which is a professional pilot. Gee, you think there's any pilots out there that are taking antidepressants, which are verboten? They're out there, but they're hiding it. And as long as it's forbidden, they're going to hide it. Wouldn't you rather know about it and have somebody working positively on fixing their and fixing their issues. Yep. Yes. Hey, you know, my answer is asking a question. I don't know.
And as a guy that sits in the back of the plane who isn't allowed to go up front and fly, I would prefer that the person who's flying up front, uh, if they do need antidepressants or, whatever to help regulate their mental health, well, like it would be good that everybody's. Yeah. I'm with you. I will say this. I won't completely, um, uh, burn them down to the of the ground, they're out of the stone age and into the dark ages at least. There are some antidepressants now which are.
Acceptable. Yeah, and they've moved forward on that and they had an amnesty program for a while. I don't know where that stands but. Sure. But it isn't flying, it isn't the only one. You know, there's people operating trains and trucks and buses and there's people operating heavy equipment and there's other, and I'm sure there's other professions. I don't know what they are. But they're safety related and oh my gosh, You don't want people hiding those issues.
You want them positively working on a good outcome. Yeah, this comes down to the whole stigma. I see a therapist, it's like, I have no qualms about it. In fact, I ran into my therapist at like a community event the other day and he came and said, hi, I introduced him to my family who he had not yet met. And then the next time I saw him, he was like, I hope that was okay. I hope I wasn't like breaching your trust. I'm like, no, no.
I wouldn't have introduced you. It's totally fine. Like, I'm okay with, like, this is a good, It's okay, I have a doctor, a medical doctor, I have a head doctor, it's all fine, it's all good. Well, at least when you met Lisa, you didn't go, oh, so you're...
Right, right, exactly. Ooh. I can't remember who I had this conversation with, and Dave, I think it might have been you, years ago where we were talking about mental health and therapy, and I made a comment about, I see therapy the same as I see car maintenance. Doesn't matter how well your car's running, every now and then you take it in for a tune-up and an oil change. It's the same for your brain. Yep, yep. I couldn't agree more.
All right, so we have a few minutes left. Actually, we don't, but we're gonna do it anyway. We'll do a little bit of a quick run through anything that was not announced in the keynote that we have not yet talked about. I have a list, so I don't want to Sherlock any of your lists and I don't know what's on your list. So Jeff, do you have anything that is on your mind that we haven't talked about that wasn't announced in the keynote.
We've done a really good job of hitting the stuff that was coming up for me, and you even hit the thing in the state of the developer's thing that I was going to bring up, which was the whole macros thing, and Apple making it easier to have Swift help you write code. Swift help you write code, but to go along with that, the overarching theme for the state of developers for me was Apple listening and understanding that they need to take steps to make it easier.
And less opaque for developers to do the things they do. And to that point, they mentioned this in the keynote, But the whole game mode thing that they talked about in the keynote, they dug deeper into that in the State of the Union. Mm-hmm. They, that is all about porting games from Windows. In fact, Windows and gaming consoles.
In fact, they said in the State of the Union, which was a little bit more keynote-like than like nerdy State of the Union, They said, if you're a developer who builds games for Windows or gaming consoles, this is for you. It's to show you how easy it is to port your stuff over. Yes, fascinating. That's almost verbatim what they said. I mean, they literally said, this is for you. This is for you, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Uh, Pete, do you have anything that you, that you found that they didn't mention in the keynote before I go through my light round? Well, I didn't, I didn't, I confess now that wasn't, uh, I didn't know that was my assignment. It wasn't an assignment. I know. These are the nerdy things. It's totally fine. I just didn't want to Sherlock you. It didn't occur to me to go look for things that they did put in there that they didn't talk about today.
I'm like, Oh yeah, I probably should have done that. That would have been, I bet I found some really cool stuff. So I did find some cool stuff. The okay. Apple TV gets third-party VPN support. They say this can benefit- I've just seen that. Yes, this can benefit enterprise and education users wanting to access content on their private networks, allowing Apple TV to be a great office and conference room solution. Sure.
Also, it lets you, right, yeah. Right, so lets you watch Netflix from another country. So I like that, that's good. Uh, you can now use any USB camera with your iPad. That's new and interesting. Um, the, you can link related notes to each other. So if you have a group of notes for like a trip that you're taking, you can link them to each other and yep. So that's there. Uh, it's almost like journaling was kind of cool. They talked about that.
Yes. Right. Yeah. The right, the journaling. You were listening to, I joked on the discord. Oh, what, what, no smell-o-vision, you know, no smells? They didn't get that because, you know, you have the audio, the visual, and that was kind of cool. Yeah, also with notes, you can start something in notes and migrate it to pages seamlessly. So if things get a little more than notes, I like that. Um, in mail, it, this is interesting.
It, they say you can see travel-related emails at the top of your search results, as your trip dates approach. So that's interesting. If you start searching for maybe flights or something, it's gonna bring the ones for your next trip up, even if that's not the most recent thing from, I don't know. Like, I'll have to see this to get it. Yeah. My assumption is, is that. Your search results are being intercepted locally. Right.
And then your computer or your Mac is re-ranking Google search results for you. No, not search results, your mail. This is happening, this is happening, your mail search results. I had misinterpreted what they were doing. Yes. Oh my God. Okay. Your mail search results, right. Yep. I finally fixed that. On iOS 17, a couple of these for iOS 17, Apps can now ask for add-only permissions for your calendar.
So if you have an app that you want to let add to your calendar, but it never is going to need to see the contents of your calendar, that's a new permission that can be granted, which I like. I like that. In Maps for iOS 17, you can now download maps for offline access, which is great. We don't need to... iPad can do that too. Okay, right. Perfect. Thank you.
And the Maps app also allows you to pick your preferred EV, electric vehicle, charging network, and then it will show you that network on your maps. So you can stay right in Apple Maps. Grocery lists in Reminders automatically sort items into categories to make shopping easier, and you can change how items are grouped, and the list remembers your preferences. This may actually get me to use, in limited situations, the Reminders app. There you go.
Yep. Yeah. Um, and then, there are new, uh, n- n- there are now Zoom and Pan controls when using Continuity Camera with Studio Display or your iPhone. So, this was sort of a thing that could happen automatically, but you didn't get any controls over it. Now you can actually control it kind of like webcam settings or camo. So a few more features for, uh, for all of that.
So I think, oh, and speaking of camera apps, third-party camera apps get access now to volume shutter buttons, uh, zero shutter lag, overlapping captures, AKA pictures and deferred processing. So all the things that Apple's camera app was the only app that could do. Now, third-party apps can do that too. Good. Yeah, yeah. So that's what we have, folks. I got two quick things. Amazing. Keep going. Yeah. It's the phone, the phone app.
Yep. You can essentially screen a call screening. You got a number that comes up. They're not in your contacts. They're starting to leave a message. You are, oh, I do want to talk. That's the dentist's office or... Yes. You know, they're using a different number. Oh, that's crew scheduling. No, I don't want to talk to them. Oh, I mean, I do want to talk to them. Just not right now. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, the, the, the call screening with voicemail is great. Transcribing what they're saying.
The transcription is the key. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. So you don't have to, you know, anyway, so that one was going to be huge. What was the other one? The other one was the ability to, essentially it's another continuity feature. You start transferring a file via Bluetooth and it's too big. And you're like, I don't have, I got to go. I got a bus to catch. Yeah. I got to go. And it continues after. So if you start transferring a large file, it continues to transfer over the internet.
So this isn't continuity, that's airdrop. It was airdrop to start. Oh. Once you leave Bluetooth range, they called it... I think you keep saying Bluetooth. Airdrop doesn't use Bluetooth for transfers. It uses Wi-Fi. It uses Bluetooth to find other devices. Right, exactly. And then it's Wi-Fi. But yes, it continues over the internet. Okay, because they said once you're out of Bluetooth range... That's fair. That makes sense. The handshake dies.
That's fair. I used, that's why I used it. But yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. The fact that it continues on after you leave was a huge. Oh yeah. A find. I agree. I mean, so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So. All right. Do we have anything else? I think that I, I know my answer. Okay. Well, whoo, there we are. Now I get to like go and eat food or something. So. Food? What is this four letter word starting with F that you're speaking of? Yeah. I'll draw you a picture,
Oh man. Okay, we're turning off the video now. Thanks for hanging out with us, everybody. Jeff, thank you for coming and hanging out with us. Where can people find you these days, Jeff? Dave and Pete, thanks for including me. This has been so much fun. Okay, how about some socials? I'm jgammot consistently, but I'm active on Mastodon and Instagram right now. All right. I will make sure to have links in the show notes for both of those.
Then how about some shows? Chuck Joiner has me on Mac Voices Live on Tuesdays. Dave Ginsberg has me on In Touch with ILS on Thursdays. Then I am the apparently permanent interim host of The Big Show and The Mac Show on British Tech Network. And then a mutual friend of ours, Brian Chaffin. I do The Context Machine with him. Amazing. Thank you. Yes. Point the man about internet. So now I have like 18 links to put in the show notes. Thanks for that, Jeff.
Sure thing. Yeah. No, really, thanks for coming. This was a perfect, perfect little get-together for today. And seriously, thank you for having me. This has been so much fun. Absolutely. Thanks to Cashfly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you. And mostly, folks, or not mostly, but also, thanks to all of you. No, that is mostly. Thanks to you for listening. Thanks for all your support, especially for sending in your.
Music. Yes Can you tell me uh, I I would like three words of advice for you and if you are needing inspiration I would ask you to look at the video and maybe, maybe read Pete's shirt. Oh, I don't need any extra inspiration because these are words to live by. An excellent life choice. Dave, Pete, don't get caught. Made out of fat. That's good advice. Oh yeah. Later!