It's time for the Mac GeekGab and listener Todd brings us our quick tip of the week with I have been using the Mac since the 128k Mac. A long time. I have never really started using tabs and windows in the Finder. When moving files around I often want to open the folder I'm in in a new window. Right clicking on the folder in column view gives you the option to open a new tab. What I want. It has been driving me crazy and thinking there must be a way to open a new window.
Today I right clicked and for the heck of it held down the option key and voila open new tab changed to open a new window or tips like this plus your question is answered today on the MacGeekGab 971 for March 6th, 2023. ["Spring Day in the City"] Music. Greetings, folks, and welcome to Mac Geeky Gab, the show where you send in tips like that. You send in your questions, you send in your cool stuff found. We share your cool stuff found and your tips.
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Et bonjour from Paris, France. It's Pilot Pete everybody. I'm stoked. After the show today, I'm going to wander over to my favorite restaurant in the entire system, Fenêtre Sucours, Window on the Courtyard, which is the French name for Jimmy Stewart and Princess Grace's movie, The Rear Window. Rear Window. What a great movie. Oh, yeah. So it's Window on the Courtyard, And it's all his menu is all Hollywood themed movies and all that.
And I'm going to have my favorite burger, the Casablanca, which is a lamb burger. There you go. This place is amazing. Nice. Yeah. So I'm stoked to be here with you guys. That's great. You know, traveling can be can be tiresome, obviously. But when you wind up being able to sort of visit the same places and have your favorite things that you simply cannot get at home because we don't have transporters yet to like, you know, bring you there for dinner.
It's a nice little respite in the grind that can sometimes be traveled. So that's great. Amen. Rear window. Geeky fact about that that I learned in a film class in high school. That was the intent of that movie. And it was it was almost successful. and I'll explain the asterisk there was to film it in with one shot. And it was filmed with one shot, except there's not, at the time, there was not enough film to film the full movie in one shot.
So there is a moment in the middle of the movie where the camera pans across a column in the middle of the apartment. And that is where they paused the camera. They had everybody stay where they were. They, you know, they changed the film out and then they continued the pan. And so that's the one little change. The first Blair Witch trial. But much better shot than the Blair Witch project was. Absolutely. Absolutely.
So as long as you're on that, one other little piece of trivia, old timey films. In the upper right corner, you see the little circle. And then a little bit later, you see the circle again. That's not a flaw in the film. That's a signal to the projection operator to change reels. Oh yeah, I was gonna say that. Yeah. What is that? I didn't know that, that's interesting. Amazing, I love this show. See, I'm already learning new things. You see, we're learning things, right? We're learning things.
I think maybe though, our listeners might wanna get back to learning things about the Mac. And so you started with the Finder Pete and listener Mike will continue with the Finder. He says, if you want your folders listed first in a Finder window that's in list mode, scroll over to the rightmost column and sort by kind. And when you sort by kind, folders float to the top. Thank you for that, Mike. That's great. I do that. This is the beauty of Quick Tips.
I, well, the Quick Tips that I love the most are the ones that I did not know. Like your opening Quick Tip. I had no idea that you could hold down the option key to right click and do that. That's amazing. Yeah. My second favorite kind are the kind that I've known and use all the time, but have completely overlooked the fact that they would be valuable to everybody else. I don't like the fact that I've overlooked it, but I like the fact that somebody else hasn't and we share it.
And that's what Mike's quick tip was. So yeah, it's nice. I think I'm going to go through menus and just tap the option key and see what I get. I am looking forward to the results of your experiments, Pete. Yeah. Yeah, John you got something you you stumbled onto something this week Yeah. So I was playing with my HomePod minis, and we had some questions about the HomePod, which we'll get to eventually, I think.
But here's something I noticed, Dave. So I ran the Home app on my phone, and when you do that, it shows you all the devices that it knows about, and it shows my TV, it shows my Apple TV, it shows HomePods. But then on the top of the screen, I noticed a little button. It says climate and I'm like, huh? If you tap on it, the HomePod, I think it was an update in like in January that did this, but the HomePod knows the temperature and humidity in the room.
I'm like, okay, that's in the interest. I didn't know it could do that, but it can. Interesting. And I think I even had a chat with it. I'm like, you know, what's the temperature and humidity? And it told me what it was. It's like, okay. So I would imagine that the use for this would be, you know, writing a script where, you know, if the humidity is over a certain amount, turn on the air conditioner. If the temperature is below a certain temperature, you know, turn on the- Sure.
Alert me if it's too low. Yeah, so we would, I mean, you correctly, but in a misnomer kind of way, refer to it as a script. It's a shortcut automation is what you would that that's how you would interface with with it in the. Did you do those automations in the home app? I guess you do you could probably do them in both places, You know, I I do it and I don't think about it yeah, it's the automation tab at the bottom of the home app would be would be where you would do that and and
And you're absolutely right. Like I have, I don't use HomePods for this because I don't have any, but, I use like my Nest thermostats to alert me if the temperature gets too low That'll tell me that there's a problem with the heat like like that morning Not too long ago where the heat didn't want to turn on in the studio here, It is the home pod mini and the second generation Large home pod that have temperature and humidity sensors that you can access so yeah.
Good stuff. Yeah, I do something similar with so I also So I don't really use the home app, but I do something similar with my SmartThings Hub. So that's my main platform. That's your access to it, yeah. And one of the triggers that I put in the app is, yeah, let me know if the battery gets too low because I don't have a C-wire. I think that's what it's called. So I have to have a battery operated one. And if the batteries are shot, then the thermostat doesn't work,
which is bad if it's going below freezing. Yeah, for sure. So I have it tell me that. So- And the temperature, it'll also tell me, you know, or I think I wrote one also, I think I wrote a trigger also for, I call it a trigger, a script, whatever. And it says, yeah, it's too cold. I have scenarios here where I don't have C-Wires in my thermostats. And I finally did away with having to deal with that by getting a 24 volt C-Wire adapter from Amazon.
They sell them for like, well, right now they're 18 bucks minus a $2 coupon. I'll put a link in the show notes to the C-Wire adapter. But the simplest way to do it would be to just run it into your thermostat and let the cable run down the wall and plug it into an outlet. The sexy way to do it is to drop it down in the wall and poke a hole next to the outlet and then just kind of run it that way so that you don't have a wire running down your wall.
Or you could run it up if you're on the top floor and you have outlets in your attic. But putting these things on my thermostats has made my life so much better. So it's been a long time since I've installed a thermostat. What does the C-wire do? I mean, it's been 15 years. Yeah, so a typical thermostat installation, like old school thermostat for just heat would be a two-wire installation, and it would be a white wire and a red wire, and likely what would be called red heat, RH.
And essentially what happens is you cross those two wires and that tells the source of heat, whatever that might be, time to activate, right? And then when it closes the circuit and then opens the circuit when it reaches temperature or whatever. If your thermostat needs its own power though...
It a lot of thermostats are built with sort of the presumption or expectation that you have more than two wires in your system and the third wire one of the the additional wires would be what's called the C wire or the common wire. Most heat systems run on 24 volt AC, which is super bizarre. It's uncommon, right? But that's what most oil and propane boilers, or even natural gas boilers, that's what they run on.
And so you can feed that C-wire right from the power supply, the transformer on your boiler, whatever your heat source is. Right. And so it's there. That makes sense. That's why the thermostats are built to run on 24 volt AC, because they know that the heat sources are built for that. So if you have the wire there, it makes life super easy. If you don't have a third wire in your system, you either need a thermostat that will support,
not running with the C-wire. Two wire. And like some of the Nest thermostats support what they call power stealing, where they don't quite close the circuit enough, to trigger the heat to come on. That is such outside the box thinking. Right. But they they grab and they like trickle power from it, to to to charge the battery in the thermostat. Power stealing can be weird. It depends on what kind of zone valves you have. Like I was finding my new zone valves were like half open all the time.
It was like, okay, I can either go to different types of zone valves or I can just solve this problem the right way and put a C-Wire adapter in there. And that's where this whole long conversation started from. So, yep. Sorry to mean go down that rabbit hole, but... It's a good rabbit hole. No, this is a major headache for those of us that like to run digital homes. And smart homes in houses that were built without more than two wires for our heating systems.
Yeah, no, it's a real, I'm glad you went down this rabbit hole. I think it's, we've referred to it many times in the show, but I don't know that we've ever gone this deep. So I'm glad we did. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's good. So a link is in the show notes for the C-Wire adapters that I've been buying. I mean, I am not brand loyal to these at all. So, if you are brand loyal to Gmail, because you use Gmail, listener Bruno has a tip for us.
He says, yesterday I received an email that was destined for a person that shares my first and last name. It was addressed to bruno.lastname at gmail.com. Since the email contained an invoice, I saw the man's actual address and was able to find him and email him back. My email address, he says, is Bruno last name without the dot between the first and last.
He says he started researching this and found a link on Google in their help index that says that you don't just own the email address you think you own. You can insert one dot between any letters and. That is still your email address and it you can have multiple dots just not right next to each other So, you know first name dot last name fine first letter dot.
Second letter dot third letter dot fourth letter, etc. Fine First name dot dot last name not fine. That's not your address. So I wound up with DaveHamilton at gmail.com When Gmail told me somebody else already had that. So I got Dave.Hamilton at gmail.com before they instituted this change. And then when they did institute this change, somehow I won that lottery. And I have all of those addresses.
I am happy sharing this address on the show because it is utterly useless to me because of all of this. There are so many people that instead of writing down, you know, Dave Hamilton 65 at gmail.com, they write down Dave Hamilton and I get their email. The only thing that Dave Hamilton at gmail address does is has an auto responder on it that says you didn't reach the Dave Hamilton you're looking for. That's it. Wait a minute. How are you going to get
all that cash out of Zimbabwe then? Oh, I already got the cash out of Zimbabwe. Oh, good. I wasn't I wasn't really in Cancun seeing fish last week. I was over meeting with the Zimbabwe prince's agent. Yeah, that's right. With American dollars in his trunk. Correct. Yeah, it was all those American dollars. I certainly wouldn't have flown back into the country with more than 10,000 American dollars because who would think to do that? Who would do that?
Hey, along those lines though, here's I've done it over the years for spam control and I had forgotten about it till the lady the other day goes, well, your email address isn't over Honda dot your email address at Gmail. I went, Oh, actually it is. And that way, if you ever sell my email address, I'll know it. So turn you off forever. You don't use the dot for that. You use the plus sign for that.
Is it the plus sign? I forgot. You're right. You're right. The dot is the dot is as we just described in invisible, as long as it's a single dot for your, your Gmail address, There is an RFC meaning a standard for lack of a deeper explanation that, Says that and your email address. So for example, I and I'll use my Dave Hamilton at gmail.com address for this, I get mail to Dave Hamilton at gmail.com as we just discussed I get mail to Dave Hamilton and D dot a dot V
Da etc, you know all of that. I also get mail to Dave Hamilton plus plus pilot pete at mac at gmail.com or dave hamilton plus, You know dover honda at gmail.com And that is a standard most but not all g email providers adhere to this standard. I think, Even iCloud mail adheres to this standard. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but to your point Pete it's a great way of. Of sort of compartmentalizing things using it as an anti-spam thing.
It certainly could work if people are stupid. But if someone's going to spam you, they know about this RFC, and they can just go and parse out the plus sign and anything after it. Right? Sure. So I have used it on a couple of occasions to go, why, you know, that's not who got that email address the first time. And then I just turned that email address off completely. Sorry, I dropped your volume there, Pete. I turned off your echo cancellation while you were talking and your volume
him dropped like crazy. I don't know why that keeps turning back on. My apologies. Cause I'm on headset. That's all right. Anyway, my point was, I have used it on a couple of occasions to go, okay, now I'm turning that address off because you clearly sold my email. Yeah, you sold my stuff. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Back was the duck.com. Yeah, I'm sorry, John, you were starting.
I found out that there's a teacher out there named John Braun because, and I had to, I had to abandon one of my early Gmail addresses because everybody was sending me stuff. And I found out this guy was a teacher because I would get students begging for extensions or stuff like that. And I was really tempted to say, I'm sorry, you failed the course. Oh, I would grant the extension. I'm a terrible person.
I, I, I, you know, be like, sure, sure. Yep. Tell you what, next fall, just bring it to be my next fall. There you go. I don't know why I can't get your level up, Pete and turn off echo cancellation. Let me see if. Well, let me do this. I'm going to hit mute for a second. Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to tell them about the next quick tip while you work on that. All right. Yeah, there you go. All right.
Mark M shares a happy little quick tip back in In 1968, we were talking about various different remotes to be used with Apple TV. And Mark says... I have an Apple TV Gen 1, but only one. So, but I have lots of remotes, and I tested all of my old white remotes with my Apple TV Gen 2, my Apple TV HD, my Apple TV 4K, and my Apple TV 4K third generation.
All remotes worked with all of my Apple TVs. It seems you can use any Apple TV remote with any Apple TV version as they all seem to have IR receivers that is, Fascinating I didn't I didn't realize that the newer Siri remotes, Had IR receivers. I'm not do they is that why this works or does it work over? Yes, Wi-Fi somehow. Okay. All right, you know the Siri remote So the thing is, so the first two ones, the first two remotes were IR only. The Siri remotes have both IR and Bluetooth.
So that's the difference. So yes, they all have IR. And they will all work. They all have IR, okay. Interesting. Yeah, but it's neat because the newer ones, if you try to use them and they aren't paired, One of the latest updates on Apple TV, you know, it came up and, cause I had to reset it for some reason. And it came up and said, yeah, could you, could you hold your remote a little closer to the Apple TV so I can bond with it?
So that must've been Bluetooth, right? The, the whole closer to bond. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Huh? Cool. Cool. Yeah. Okay. I gotta look at my Siri remote and see. Sorry, go ahead, Pete, yeah. Sorry, okay, so how's my volume now? Is that good? Yeah, yeah, if you stay on the mic, it's good. Yeah, yeah. Okay, good, all right. So my assumption was it was the Apple TV itself, that had the IR receiver.
So regardless of the generation of the TV, an old remote would work on it because an IR receiver is pointing at it. I didn't realize the new remotes were IR and Bluetooth both. Yeah. I guess it kind of makes sense. keep some backward compatible. It right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's that's I mean what it's really smart. I like it. I like it, Uh, I'll have to just lean in there you go. Okay. All right, Yeah, and tivo kind of does that too. They let you choose whether to be in rf mode or ir mode.
For those that stole the tivo Yeah, yeah time to get rid of that time to uh to move on to to oh i'm gonna run it I mean, I have lifetime service on it. So I'm, you know, I'm going to run it until it dies. Of course you are. That's one of the things I love about you. No, I mean, there are still shows that I record that I can't easily get to via other means or would have to pay money. Right, but it leaves you stuck requiring a cable like subscription, like an, you know.
So that's what I'm saying. Like losing that, you free yourself and probably could save a boatload of money moving to like fiber, And and not paying for your cable and just like paying for baby Yeah, pay for some version of you know foobo or YouTube TV or something like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right our last quick tip comes from listener Ken who Shares I I'm not sure I understand this but I'm hoping I do he says it's almost too simple
That's probably why I don't understand it. I overthink everything. He says I notice, when booting ventura is in the upper left corner of the screen and. And it's small. Some might say too small. Apple says it cannot be made bigger until you log in. You can use the keyboard to highlight the user you want to log into. So I guess he's talking about the login screen. Press the down arrow and the first account will be highlighted. Press the right arrow and you can select which account to log into.
Press return and enter your password. So I guess he's seeing the login screen for Ventura is, it has small text, but you can use the keyboard to navigate that login screen. Yeah, that's handy stuff. I like it. We got questions, we got quick, we got, oh no, we're done with quick tips, questions, cool stuff found, all sorts of stuff. All right, so look, you know how it goes. You've been stewing about this health problem you have.
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OK, I know. I know the I'm sure you do. Yeah. All right. Oh, yeah. So Chuck says, after restarting my wife's computer and being sure only email and Safari are running, the low memory flag appeared again. And what he means by that is a message comes up saying, your computer is low on memory. To free up some memory, please close a few applications. I've seen this. I'll tell you more later. Before and after the system monitor memory window looked like the following.
Is it reasonable that with two applications running, almost five gigs of memory of eight is in use? A few minutes after another restart, low memory flag appeared again, but the memory monitor did not change. It is still showing green, and it's showing green for memory pressure. And green is good for that setting. So I'm still not sure why this is happening. On the off chance that it is an iCloud syncing function, we've turned off all iCloud functions.
The reason to suspect that is that we have a cable internet with great download speed, 60 to 100 megabits down, but only 10 megabits up. So if data is being synced to iCloud, could that be bogging things down? We're also planning a call to Apple support. And I thought I knew the answer, but I don't think I do, Dave. So I've gotten this and we've touched on it a while back, but that memory is actually a lie. Or the dialogue saying that you're low on memory, I don't think he's low on memory.
He said, five of eight is being used. but there should be plenty of breathing room there. And from his screenshot, we can see that no swap is being used, meaning the system hasn't decided to engage the drive, the SSD or the hard drive, presumably an SSD on this machine, to like for overflow, right? So it's not hitting that overflow point. And that overflow point happens commonly and is not necessarily a bad sign. So the fact that he's hitting no swap use tells me like we're not having a problem.
Hmm. Yeah, I'm. At least in my case though, What I found is that that's probably a sign that you don't have a lot of free disk space, So I can't make swap. Oh, at least that's what did it for me, right? Were you out of so you so when you saw this on your machine you were I was critically low on a free disk space Aha. Oh, I got this message. Oh that makes sense So what I did is, you know, I ran Omni Dissweeper to, you know, free up, find out who's hogging
on my disk space. Another thing I found... Wait, wait, stop, stop, stop, stop. Omni Dissweeper is the wrong thing to run these days. It doesn't see everything. It hasn't in many OS versions unless you like run it as root. You want to use something more modern and space lens, which is part of CleanMyMac, would would be my recommendation, unless something has changed with Omni Dissweeper that I don't know about now. Obviously that's possible. I thought it did in a recent update, but.
I haven't seen a recent update. I mean, it helped me get the job done. Okay. The other thing that I found, Dave, is that APFS is a bit lazy on freeing up this space. I've noticed this, and you've probably noticed this. So, you know, you put some files in the trash, you empty the trash, and you look at the free space, and it hasn't changed. It's like, dude, what I found is running disk utility from recovery sometimes nudges the machine into freeing up that space.
I've definitely had this happen to me. Yeah. You know, I go to recovery, I run disk utility, and then I, you know, go back into the OS and it's like, oh yeah, here's all that space that you wanted. Huh. The thing is Chuck wrote in and said. Isn't it so I'm I'm looking at you guys. I'm looking at you guys to the first suggestions here, He has like I think he said he has like 80 gigs free, which that should be plenty. Yep, I would I would agree with that,
So why is he getting this this message? Well, I you know, I'm I'm I And this may be a red herring and I'm still trying to figure out how, Whether the how recent Omni Disriper is Um, and I, I, I've got an observation. I can't. Yeah. Go ahead, Pete. Yeah. Yeah. So I get that message on certain websites and I can't tell you which ones it is, but some that seem to be using lots of resources and I just don't have, I'm sorry, I can't go out.
It's this website or that website. It's not coming up and it, it's certainly not in my memory at this point in time, time. But I've noticed that certain websites seem to trigger that error for me more than others. And if I get, I'll let clean my Mac free up some memory and I'll close that website and it goes away and stays away. If I open the website back up, I get that error again. So it's, I think it's some poor code on, on some
interactive sites slash servers. Is that that's It's not a nation and it's purely anecdotal. So wait, you're saying that it, it, it's, it's just like poorly written apps. Yeah, I think, well, I think poorly, poorly wit, speaking of new mouth, poorly written interactive, For instance, there's a website I can go to that I can do bidding on. And it doesn't happen on that site, but I can bid for my schedules.
There's there's server side activity going on there. Oh, OK. So like Safari memory leaks is what your browser memory. Yeah. I mean, certainly that can cause memory to bloat up. But when that happens, you will see more memory used. And generally speaking, you'll see it spill into swap when that happens.
But you're totally right. Yeah. I mean your browser can often in fact be the largest user of memory, Yeah, yeah, but but you would see, Usage like it wouldn't be hidden from you And so like the fact that there is zero swap used on this system, Which clearly only has eight gigs of memory that tells me It makes it a real poser. Well there are ways, at least there used to be ways. It's been a while since I've dug into this. John helped me here.
But there were at least ways of telling your system not to use swap. And I remember doing some of this in the past when we had slower like spindle disks, you know, that when things started swapping, it would get super slow. And so, like intentionally, we nerds would say, okay, well, I'm going to do whatever terminal incantation it was. I can't remember, but essentially disabling the system's ability to spill over into swap in today's world.
Like it doesn't slow things down, at least not the way it used to. And I'm not convinced it slows things down at all to go into swap. So I don't even know if that's possible. But seeing a system that's using no swap makes me wonder, like, is it, has it been told not to? And then in that case, you know, all of this would start to make sense. I don't know. That's my story. At least that's what I think my story is. I don't know. Do you have any recollection of this, John?
I remember we talked about it on the show, but it's been a while, like years, maybe even decade. Nobody. All right. No, I remember the thing you're talking about. I personally would not, disabling swap I don't think is a good thing to do. Well, no, I mean, and that's why it was a terminal, like a thing that we nerds would intentionally do for certain scenarios where it's like, no matter what, I don't want you to spill into swap while I'm doing this thing.
And so we would turn it off and you just have to remember to turn it back on because otherwise, like you said, it would be a bad thing. But I forget. So feedback at matkecab.com if you folks have any thoughts on this, or if you have a question of your own, your quick tip of your own, cool stuff found of your own. Was that feedback at matkecab.com? Yeah, now that I've got you loud enough, Pete. Yes, that's what it was. Yeah, I think you said feedback at matkecab.com.
Amazing. Okay. Okay. I was just doing while you were talking, I was doing some, some Google food and. There are some articles there on disabling swap and speeding up your SSD and in Mac OS. Yeah. So, so maybe checking that and doing it in the reverse, right? So that you, you know, you turn, turn it back on. Let's put some of those links in the show notes for folks, Pete, for further reading. Those show notes will be at mackeekab.com.
And yeah, I had to turn on your echo cancellation again, Pete, I don't know why your system. And it's probably a stream yard thing, but whatever. I just hate having, you are using headphones, right? Like the sound is- I am, yeah, see, right in my ear balls. So there shouldn't be a need for echo cancellation. Anyway- I should not. We will just have to try and not talk over each other. You want to tell us about our Lee? I could do that. Yeah. Let me, uh, so let me pull up what I had on him.
So this goes back to, uh, Hey Siri, whoops. Uh, Hey, Hey, yes, lady. Yes, sir. Sorry, everyone. Uh, you know, turn off the light in 20 minutes. And I said that wasn't possible. Well, yeah. And so he wrote in and said, well, yeah, in 20 minutes, hey, you know, hey, S lady in 20 minutes, turn off the desk light, fail. Turn off desk light in 20 minutes, success. I tried it and I got, you know, sorry, I can't do that for you. And the other one was, you know, hey, that Google app isn't installed.
I'm like, I didn't even mention Google. So S lady, you know, you're not being very helpful, but he did, I will add that he added some hilarity in there for lack of a better word. He said, let me help with a personality analysis of Siri using the five big personality traits. Openness, scores high. She likes to whiteboard ideas, but doesn't pay much attention to outcomes or results. Conscientiousness, scores low. She often forgets to fix what is wrong and sometimes appears unorganized.
She's not consistent and doesn't seem to care. Extrovert, scores high. She loves attention and bling. Agreeableness, scores high. She just wants to get along. She'll agree with you. If you like her afterwards and neuroticism scores high. Yes. She's moody serious and moody. Yeah. Serious moody. So I, we got a lot of comments about this after our, my opening quick tip of a recent episode where I said you could do this with the
eight lady, but you can't do it with the S lady. And, and like our Lee, uh, wrote in, many of you said, you're wrong. I do this all the time with the S lady. And so I set about, uh, trying to figure out where and why and what and, Some of my devices will do this with Siri. Some of them will not. And they are 100% consistent as to which device, if a device does it once, it will do it all the time. If a device never does it, I can never get it to do it.
I thought maybe it was, okay, devices that are connected via HomeBridge would be in one category and devices that are super native HomeKit would be in another. Not the case. I can't even using my well-honed troubleshooting mindset. I cannot find a rhyme or reason as to how to decipher whether a device will support this with Siri or not support this. And again, by this we mean saying, S lady, turn off device in five minutes or in five minutes turn off device.
Whatever the language, I've tried different permutations of language, it doesn't seem to matter. I don't get why this would happen. I'm sure there's a good reason or there's a reason I'm not convinced it's going to be good. But, but yeah, it's been, it's been interesting. So, yeah. And what's the name of the new protocol that everybody's leaning into matter, Pete matter. Yeah. That's right. I knew it would matter.
It does matter. Sorry. Sorry. You know, what matters is mail and we had, We've had a couple of questions about mail recently. Listener Jared wrote in and asked. Is there a tool or keystroke I can use to file email messages in Apple Mail? I recall a long time ago, you on the show shared your favorite add ons or extensions for mail. And one of them could help file emails, for example, do a keystroke, maybe get a dialog box, start typing the folder name and boom, the email is filed.
He says last year I switched to the Spark email client and I like the UI and it allows for tons of keystrokes.
But with their latest version, I can no more no longer export emails to things they say it's on their roadmap, But he says I'm thinking of going back to mail for exactly this, You can so in mail You there there is the message, moved to command and You can go to that and choose mailboxes and you probably could even set some keystrokes there by going to where would that be, system settings I believe is where you would do this like
using the Mac OS's name a keystroke functionality. It's gonna be a little tedious to do this but you could go into where is keyboard is it in general now? I, I freaking hate what they've done to me here and, In this no, I guess it's just there's just the. I love it when my audio cuts out when I'm doing things in Mac OS I am dealing with Apple on that by the way, they they are very curious about this
Yeah, and the fact that I can replicate it on all of my Macs and my guess is all of you can too. But anyway Going into keyboard shortcuts in the keyboard system settings pane would be one way to do that. However, there is an add-on that will, that will do this for you and it is male act on. That is the key. No pun intended. It's part of small cubes, male suite, and includes a couple of other things. Male act on is one of them. Signature profile is another. Those are the two I use.
Mail tags is I believe their most popular one. It's just not one that I use, but it's all part of small cubes, male suite. So I can't imagine running mail without mail suite. And so that would do it. Cause I can assign rules to any keystroke I want is one of the things MailActOn does. So I could say, anytime I type this keystroke, I want it to go into that mailbox no matter what, and then boom. But you can also have it be, because it's a rule, you can actually have some if statements.
So you can have it be conditional based on criteria of the message. So you could have a keystroke for archive. But if you've got four different mail accounts, you could have the archive keystroke archive to the correct archive box for that mail account based on the criteria in mails rules. But you're still just using the same archive keystroke all the time. It's cool.
It's really, it's fantastic thing. John, you and I've been talking about mail act on, Because one thing it can do is it has outbox rules. So you can have it, like, for example, when we reply to you when you email feedback at mckicab.com or if you're a premium listener and you email premium at mckicab.com, when one of the three of us replies to that, we CC that same address so that the other two of us can see the reply.
And it makes us realize, oh, that question's been answered. I can move on to the next one. I think I realized recently that you weren't using using MailActon to do this as an outbox rule? Because I've been using that for a long time. Have you started using MailActon's outbox rules to auto add that CC? Not yet. Oh dude, please do that. Because it eliminates the opportunity for human error. Not only human error where you might forget to do it, but also human error where you pick the wrong one.
The computer will always pick the right one. Makes life super easy. So yeah, and you already have Mail Suite, right? Like you use that for signature profile. Oh dude, dude, this is a five minute ad and it will change. It will change your life. So, uh, all right. Do you guys have any other ways of, of filing mail that don't rely on mail suite? Maybe, maybe another plugin or another, Another thing before we move on to the next mail question.
I find this leaky works great. Well, but that always, that files them in the same place. Yes. But effectively every time it's tried. So yeah, no, I, I'm using that, although I'll be interested to play with using a keystroke to file it. Cause I have not been doing that. I've been, you know, it comes in and messages about my other show turn blue and go to that folder. Sure. Nothing is about the airplane. Do that. And you know, so that's cool. I like that about it. It's nice.
The rules are super effective, but I got to play with this keystroke thing. That's, it's amazing. Yeah. And you, right. You have, you have mail suite too, cause you use it for signature profiles. So yeah, yeah, you're good to go on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, the next thing that we have here on mail is, I don't know why I don't have any of this stuff is from Chris about filtering spam. And I'm gonna try and find Chris's note, but if I can't, I will simply, yeah, I'll simply read it.
Chris asks, and I don't think we've answered this, but maybe there has. Maybe we did, Pete, did we do this in a show where you weren't here? Oh, Pete surfaced these for us, but I. I don't know. Did I miss it? I mean, I try to listen to the shows even when I'm not here. Yeah. I just, uh, I just wonder if there's a way, especially servers.
I don't think we have. I don't think we have. Okay. All right. So, um, Chris writes, uh, there's been a problem with my wife's email for years that needed wrangling or total destruction. First, I thought I'd ask, uh, them before going the scorched earth route, her, uh, her inbox is out of control with 90,000 plus email addresses. And most of these are spam.
She says, but some of them of course are that this particular address is related to a hobby business that she has and many friends, contacts, and even new business leads come into this address. And she's had this email since the day he dragged her away from Windows to the Mac in 2010. So it's an email address that is well entrenched both in the spam world and in the not spam world. As a quick fix, Chris says we set up VIPs. Too many new junk emails come in faster than we can deal with them.
So we need a better long term solution. It's OK. So VIPs, that's not a terrible like bandaid, because you can essentially get a filter based on who sent you the email. But but he says I need a better long term solution. I agree. So it just seems like you need a better spam filter in place. Um. And I'm, I'm surprised to hear, I don't know what Chris's wife's email, like what the provider is for this, but there are services that you can use to help filter mail that go beyond what,
either Apple or Google's generic spam filters do. Um, Mail root is is one of the mail route was, a MacGeeKab sponsor a number of years ago, and you essentially insert them before your mail providers. So your mail would go to mail route first, and then go through their filters. And if it passes muster for their filters, will then be delivered to iCloud or Gmail or wherever else you want your mail.
It requires doing some DNS configuration to make that happen because that's how you choose where your mail goes. You may or may not have the ability to do that, depending on what your email address is. But if you control your own destiny and control your own domain, which it sounds like you probably do for a business, then that would be one way to do it. And I'll put a link to MailRoot in the show notes.
Fastmail is the mail provider that I use. and I their spam filtering is fantastic because not only do they have sort of a generic spam filter like like most mail providers do they also let you configure your own spam filter. And it is very trainable unlike Google's where you know you move a message out of the spam folder and then the next one that matches that just goes right back in. That's not what happens with fast mail. Their engine actually listens to you.
And messages you put into the spam folder or delete from the spam folder are trained, quote unquote, as spam. Things you move out of the spam folder are trained as not spam. And it really learns and listens. So fast mail might be an answer for you. So we'll put a link to that in the show notes too. John, what are you using for spam filtering these days? What are you relying on, I should say, for spam filtering? The one built into mail. Okay. Okay. Is that the only one you're using,
or are you letting your mail provider... Currently, currently, yes. So you don't use... What mail provider do you use? All bunch. And none of... And you have junk mail filtering turned off on the server side, you're only using Apple Mail? Yes. Interesting. Yes, I'm using Apple Mail for spam filtering, that's it. That's some of the other... Like, how do you... Okay, so now I'm really curious how you went ahead and did this. Like, what, your primary email, what does that come into?
Um, all right, let me ask a different question. Your your Mac GeekGab email, right? That I know where that comes in because I because I control the domain that comes into a Google address. So you have the Google filters, the spam. That's what I'm asking. So you you have not gone into Google and turned off their spam filters. Correct. Got it. So you are leveraging both the server side from Google and then anything additional that Apple Mail wants to do locally. Right.
So you're using both? OptOnline also does that. They have spam filtering, so that's my ISP for the moment. Okay. So you're letting whatever the server side for your provider is do their thing, and then you've enabled, you've gone into MailPreferences and actually turned on its junk mail filter to do more on top of that. Okay. All right. That makes more sense. All right. Got it.
I don't know why I stopped using it. The various services do a pretty good job on the server side of filtering out garbage. Oh yeah, that's why I was surprised when you told me you turned those off. I was like, why? They're usually pretty good. Yeah, I was for a while using spam sieve. And I think that's one of the better client side spam filters. Yeah. But yeah, I agree. My only issue with any sort of client side spam filters is they don't run on iPhone.
So if you want your, like if you're relying on your phone for email, which I mean, I think is true for most of us, certainly some of us not, but you kind of have to rely on the server side stuff. And that's one of the reasons I've been really happy with fast mail is just how configurable it is. Interesting, okay. Because I use spam assassin on my server, on my domain. Yeah. I control my own. And I've cranked up the number a little bit on that.
Still when one sneaks through a case, not when one sneaks through, I don't worry about one, but it kind of torques me when I get all of a sudden out of nowhere, I start getting a new email every day from the same domain. It's like, all right, so I'll actually go into my server and filter out that domain. When a message arrives from this domain, delete it. Done.
Yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah. And my guess is a lot of providers, whether we know it or not, are leveraging spam assassin as part of their sort of, you know, heuristic suite because because it's just so good. I do want to share one. Don't make the same mistake I did. So with Fast Mail, I mentioned that it's super configurable. It's more configurable than I shared. First of all, you can create super customizable nerdy rules if you want. You do not have to. But if you're into that, they'll let you.
The second thing that you can do is say, okay, hey, look, these mailboxes, because it's an I map server so they have mail. You can, you can designate mailboxes to be trained as not spam or train as spam. So you can say, Hey, my archive mailbox train that as not spam, you know, my, in my, uh, whatever, you know, if you've got mailboxes for things that you're archiving things to or putting things in great to train those as not spam. You can also set mailboxes to train as
spam. I made the mistake early on when I set up a fast mail as a. You know, bushy haired, I don't know what the right thing is, you know, green knee high to a grasshopper, whatever that is. Uh, I made my spam folder train as spam. They now have a knowledge base article folks that tells you don't do this because we put the things that we think are spam into your spam folder so that you can review them by marking your spam folder as train as spam.
You've effectively told us anything we think is spam. You are confirming automatically. And that resulted recently in me winding up with piles of things that were just being called spam that shouldn't have. And I couldn't untrain them. Finally, I found this. I actually had to ask fast mail, can you delete my personal spam, you know, customizations and they're like, yeah, we can. I'm like, great. Please do that for me now that I've turned off this feature because that so it.
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Lee wrote in and said, my one month old home pod mini suddenly. We were going to cool stuff found. Oh, sorry. That's not cool stuff found. But go ahead. No, you're here now. Go stick with Lee. That's fine. Go. Okay. My one month old home pod mini suddenly died. it wouldn't power on even with the definitely live AC outlet and a different power supply. The online reset instructions say to unplug it for 10 seconds, plug it back in, wait 10 seconds, then touch the pad on the top for a while.
And you'll see a white red spinning light indicating it's in progress. When I did this, nothing happened. No flickering lights. Okay. So I went to the Apple store, luckily not too far away and expected to have to get a replacement, But the genius just sighed and while plugging in the HomePod, still no lights, said, watch this. He then rested a finger on the top pad for a good 30 seconds. Boom, it sprang back to life.
Half a minute is beyond my threshold of waiting in cases of a reset, but I guess not anymore. He said he'd seen it take a full minute and then we're told to wait two minutes. All right. So re-explain this here. What's the procedure to sort of force reset the HomePod and HomePod mini? Well, there are a few ways. What the genius did was powered it up, rested a finger on the top pad for 30 seconds, and then that revived it.
Oh, so this wasn't just to reset it, this was to revive it. Interesting, okay. All right, that's good to know. Yeah, no, I also. That's long, I tend to agree with Lee, that's longer than I would have held it, yeah. Yeah, no, another way to go about it, so yeah, there is an article here, which we will of course link to, called reset home pod or home pod mini. And it has a few different ways to do it. I actually had to do this once Dave.
Is you can do a restore on the home pod mini. How do you do that? You may ask, well, you plug the USB-C cable into your computer and then the home pod shows up in the finder and you say restore home pod. Oh, I didn't know you could do that. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So it's a using the data connection in the, uh, yeah. Right. You see cable instead of, yeah. I mean, normally you have a plugged into power and there's no data, um, going across the wire.
So that's neat. I wonder if I plugged it into the computer where to show up as a speaker. Probably. Ooh, I wonder, like would that be a way of having, you know, essentially zero latency sound? I mean, I know with digital, there's no such thing as zero, but like closer than over wifi. Yeah. Yeah, I should try that. Yeah. Huh, interesting. All right, yeah, well, I'm glad we did that one. Like that's a great tip for all the HomePod folks out there.
Now going to cool stuff, I found Allison shared a great little monitor with us.
She says I heard you talking about the view sonic 1080p USB to USB C display a few weeks ago, She said I had a 1080p display from Coco par that I like too, But I just bought a 4k display from KYY and it is so much better It's super bright and super crisp and get this, It's only 240 bucks at Amazon and at least as the moment of her email and the moment at which I bought it yesterday There's a $20 off coupon bringing it down to $219.
Yeah, moving from the previous one that I had that was 1080p and I'll call normal. To the 1080p OLED display, which is what I talked about most recently after CES, that too made a huge difference. And there are OLED 4K displays portable. We're talking about these 15 inch displays, portable displays to use when you travel. I've got, you know, about 10 days of travel coming up between podcast movement in Vegas and then South by Southwest in Austin. So
I figured perfect time to test this, uh, 210, $220, uh, 4k display. So that should arrive before I leave and I'm looking forward to checking it out. So thank you, Alison, for sending that in. Of course, links are in the show notes, including a link to Alison's review about that display as well. So thanks for, thanks for sharing that. Now you want to take us to Alan, Mr. Braun? Yes.
Great. Alan says, in a recent episode, you were talking about options for scanning family photos that were not digitized. I have used Google's Photo Scan app on the phone to get photos from our children's scrapbook into photos. The app has the ability to take multiple photos. Multiple photos of the paper photograph, one at each corner, in order to illuminate any glare from lighting on the glossy surface of the photograph.
It then stitches these photos together to get the best photograph in a digital format. The photos can be saved to the iPhone's photo library, nice, or to Google if you desire. I've used this multiple times to get scrap photos into a slideshow that can be shown at rehearsal dinners and other family events. Okay. Cool. Yeah, Google does everything, don't they? Yeah, we- Go ahead. It's an HDR. I was just saying, it's an HDR photo of your photos, basically, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And I think it does a lot of aspect correction and all of that stuff. Key stoning, yeah, okay. Key stoning, yeah, exactly. We've had people recommend this in the past. I completely forgot about it until I saw that, you had this one in the show notes. It's like, right, that's the, if you want to do this on your own, that might be the, the answer. Cause you probably already have the hardware to make it happen.
I think I may have done that. We used that at one point. You don't even need to take, you just move the phone around on over the picture, right? And it takes it automatically when it sees the best. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pete, you ran into a problem this week, uh, where I did, I did. And you know what the worst part of that problem was? My personal tech guru decided to take that week vacation in Mexico. So I'm just saying.
I wonder if I ran into him down there. You may know him well. Oh man. So yeah. I was on tail scale when we talked about tail scale several months back. I jumped right on it, played with it a little bit, got it up and running. I'm like, man, this is great. and I've been all over the world. Get right VPN right back into my right into my disk station. Yeah. Guess what? It doesn't appear
to happen on any other device. Well, any other device that I have. But your disk station has a. Software key that allows it to encrypt and decrypt and be part of that overlay VPN that that is tail scale. And that key expires. I have no idea why it doesn't appear to expire on my MacBook or on my iMac or on my DVR, on my Mac Mini or any of those things. But I couldn't all of a sudden connect to my disk station. So I started looking around
and I couldn't find a simple answer right away. I did find one that's like, okay well go create a new key and then install it this way and it wasn't... Was it Docker or something else Dave? I don't know what... Anyway. No, there's there's an answer for you here. And really, there's a piece of advice that if your tech guy wasn't on the beach in Mexico or floating in the pool. By the way, if you're going to go to Mexico, talk about cool stuff. I'll find the link that Lisa bought.
We she bought this year. You know, we always bring little floats to kind of float around the pool with. And we bring like we bring the Arctic brand, our TIC brand, because they're like half the price of Yeti brand. But we bring insulated mugs so that we can have asked the bartenders to pour our drinks in these mugs and then they Stay cool in the hot sun this year.
Lisa bought floating uh, pool of cup cozies and they tethered the two of them tethered together, people we loved him and everybody went gaga over it because all you had to do was float around if you needed a Drink you just lean forward and sip out of the straw and the thing would just float in the pool is amazing So I'll put a link to that somewhere in the show notes or whatever. I gotta get it from Lisa
Yeah, no, it was great. But as for everyone running tailscale. Yes, right. Yeah, but wait, there's less, Yeah, I found the answer on well, actually I don't know that you found the answer because what you shared with me Is not the advice that I not the permanent advice so if you go log into your tail scale account you will see, a list of all of your machines and, If you you'll see three dots to the right of each of the machines that are logged in.
You can choose to disable key expiry for any or all of your machines. And this solves the problem that you ran into because the keys expire. So I don't know if that's the solution you found. It did, like when I went through your email, I wasn't sure, so. Well, it is, yeah. So that is what I found, but it took me a while to get there. Like I said, initially it was all this, all this dock, you know, do a Docker, get a new key, that kind of stuff. And I'm like, well, the question I have is overall
is a rhetorical one. Why would you? Expire this key. Well, there's no need to expire. I mean, I guess. If the device hasn't logged in in a while, uh, it's possible someone could commandeer control of that device without having. Credentials to log into your account. Right. And so the key is what lets it be part of your account. When you disable key expiry, you are making it less secure because you don't have to log in and, and do this on the regular. So that's the issue.
Yeah. So my answer was to go to the little tail scale logo up in the menu bar, and then you highlight your name. And then the second item down, once that pops up is admin console. Like you said, you go to the right and you say, first option, the disabled key expiry, I don't recall being there. The first option that I saw was extend key life. And I went, oh, okay, I'll just extend the key life.
And it was good for 30 minutes. Now I had 30 minutes to find an answer to figure out how to get my key to keep working. And then I clicked on it again, and that's when I saw disable key expiry. I went, ah, okay, I'm just gonna do that and be done with it. So, but I found it interesting. I put that answer on the forum at. Where did I put, hide that for myself? It's forum.tailscale.com. And I put that answer on there someone else who had that exact same question said, I tried disable key
expiring. It's not working for me. So I don't know what there is, but, uh, so my problem, I got mine. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, all I can tell that person is go find your own personal tech expert. Go let them go on vacation. Yeah. Well, sometimes we got to go on vacation. It's just how it works. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What do we got next here? We got time for one more. John, you want to share Neil? Yeah, this looks cool. I may get one.
I don't know if this really counts as cool stuff found. I think it does. However, in the past, I know there have been many online discussions about USB hub in contrast to a multi-port dock and hub. Analog to a USB-A hub of times past. I saw a link to this in the most recent Podfeet blog. Oh well thank you, Alison. It's the first time I have seen a pure USB-C hub.
And it appears to be a USB-C hub from a... It's a Teche, I believe. It's a Teche. Yes. Yeah, I think I think I got some of the other stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it has some limitations. Yeah, 40 bucks and you got four ports. The only warning from them is that it does not do power and it does not do video. So, right. This is a data only. You cut out a little bit at least for me, John. So just to reiterate the data only four port hub for 40 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like.
If you you would need you can't run bus powered drives on this like that. That would sort of be the right like there's zero power coming from it Or is there like five there's got to be five volts of power right because otherwise it can't be USB. I, Don't know maybe maybe not maybe there's zero maybe there really truly is zero power coming from this. Yeah, Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah, and and it, deploys USB 3 rev Well, it, it, five gigabits per second. Much better. There we are. Yes. Yeah.
I'm like, oh, I don't even remember which version it is. What does that naming convention mean? Yeah. So maybe a good for traveling when you want to plug lots of things in. Yeah. And especially for people that have machines that have only two USB-C ports, which I don't know if I could handle that. I've got a quick stomp the dummy question. Yeah, go. Why won't stream deck work unless it's plugged directly into the computer?
You can't use a, you can't use it through a hub. I'm pretty sure it tells you that in their menu. I'm pretty sure mine is plugged into a hub. Really? Yeah. It, I mean, test it, Pete. I've seen a lot of manufacturers put that as a requirement because it keeps them. From having to own the troubleshooting process of, of dealing with perhaps a hub like this, right? Like, cause a Stream Deck wouldn't work on a hub like this because it does not pass power.
And the Stream Deck needs power cause it needs to be lit up. Like your device for it to work on this, it would almost have to be externally powered. Like maybe a mouse, but I don't. Well, yeah, here's where it didn't work on the little hub that I have, my little travel dongle type hub. is the only USB-C port on that is power in. Oh, right. Therefore, so now I'm using it with a USB-C adapter and that's where it's gone stupid.
Interesting. So, okay. Yeah. I just solved my own, I just answered my own question. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's weird. I mean, again, like I'd be curious as to why I believe you, but there's, that's not a fundamental truth, But it might be a specific truth about the way the stream deck folks are doing whatever it is they're doing. Yeah, it might need more power like that might be the the thing it might need more than than a would provide
I don't know. I mean it's got lights on it and stuff the stream deck We're talking about this device that allows you it's really a bunch of. Customizable hot buttons on a on a nice little compact interface and and you can change the buttons are. Each their own LCD screens LED screens LCD whatever they're each their own little screens And so you can put icons or even words on there to tell you what it is that you're about to do when you push the button.
So yeah, button means and yeah, it's awesome. I use it to quickly set up my entire setup when I'm going to podcast with you guys. Same. Yeah. It launches everything I need launched and I don't forget something. And yeah, beautiful. It's great. Yeah. And I use it to change. And I know you do too, Pete, to change the views and mute things and unmute things. It works out really well. One last thing, in Mexico this past week, as Pete mentioned, I wound up using yet another data only SIM.
This time I chose one from the folks at AlloSim. They had reached out to us and said, oh, we think you're going to like what we have. And I was impressed. Price wise, they provided it to us for free. So I did go to eSimDB.com to see how their pricing fit. They were a couple of bucks more expensive than the one that I would have picked.
However, unlike what I had to deal with in Europe, and I'm not sure I even talked about this on the show, I wound up in Europe, the eSIM that we chose, and I forget the brand name, but they, I had, we had to manually keep choosing the carrier to connect to. It wouldn't auto choose the carrier as we drove around a different place. It sucked.
I'll be honest with you this alos him did not do this to us It auto chose the carrier wherever we were in, you know, Mexico Airport, hotel, whatever and and it worked great and it you know grabbed LTE signals and and that is something to look at what the Maximum speed that the eat that you e sim you're choosing will support because I've seen some that are like oh yeah we only do 3G or 4G not LTE not 5G the one this AlloSim one that I had this week did LTE not 5G but
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