It's time for Mac Geek Cabin. I've got our quick tip of the week. On your Mac, on my Mac too, if you are in a text input window, hold down on a key and watch as, like, if you hold down the O key, if you hold for a second, above the key will appear all different versions of that letter, the letter O with an umlaut and an accent and all the other things that you might want to use with an O. It's a great way to get to those special characters.
Try different keys because each key might have something different hidden behind it. More quick tips like this, plus your questions answered today on MacGeekGab 1043 for Monday, June 24th, Midsummer. I don't know. It feels like the beginning of summer. I don't know why we call it Midsummer or they call it Midsummer, but that's the day, 2024. Music.
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And here in south dakota i'm adam christensen and here also in new hampshire we're finally out of the 90s both humidity and temperature wise last couple days it's pilot pete glad to be here with you guys dave i want to add something on to your leading quick tip sure so if you're on your keyboard and you long i used to think i i can't tell you how i the other day i was like how do i find the long o sound because i was trying to tell somebody
here's how it's pronounced couldn't figure out how to get the the line over the O I always thought if you pressed and held the key you'd start getting thousands of O's right but you don't you get you get hey here's your option to do it well if once you hold down say the O key and it comes up with all those various.
Variations on the O instead of having to take your mouse over there and click on the one you want look underneath those there's little number and if you want the one that's with number seven the o with number seven underneath it then tap the number seven and that drops it oh so i can stay on the keyboard stay on the keyboard the whole.
That makes perfect i always wondered what those numbers were for in fact i i that's not fair nor accurate i never even paid attention to the fact that those numbers were there so uh i think if i I probably had, it would have been like, Hey, maybe try the number seven on the keyboard. Now that you say it, it makes perfect sense. They love it. That's what they, that's why they're there. That's where they're there for. So yeah. And I can't tell you what I did the other day.
I didn't know that. And I wish I had, I went to a website and said, how do I make the long O sound? And I found somewhere that it had it and I cut and paste to the O and yeah, well, that's just too hard. That's a lot of work that needs an internet connection, Pete. That's not, that's not being done on device, you know? Right. Yeah, I mean, I feel like a caveman having to use the internet to go cut and paste to get that. Do Windows users still have to do the horrific ASCII incantation?
It's like 27 keys. I'm exaggerating. I think so. I remember you used to have to hit option pound and then know the number of whatever the accented character is supposed to be. Yeah. Yeah, it was showing me like control option 3404, you know, it's like, oh, come on. Yeah. So I think they still do. They're still set on the ASCII. Paul Conaway is bringing it back to the Mac, reminding us that Popcare or Popchar, I always pronounce it Popcare because it's the first four words of the word character.
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? Whatever. Whatever but that app uh also is great for finding those kinds of things and we'll put a link to that in the show notes for sure i believe that's a little free app right i i'm pretty sure it's free yeah from ergonis i'll look while we're uh while we're chatting here but i'm pretty sure it's free yeah well you're doing that i'm going to take us to our quick tip from uncle jamie all right Add Shazam to Control Center.
I already did that. That's brilliant. The Shazam app can identify any song playing in the room or playing on your phone.
And or your iphone in this case particularly because we're talking about control centers built into your iphone you can put shazam in your iphone control center and that's how i invoke shazam anymore you get the little s the cute little s the way they've done it yep and uh i just pull up control center rather than look for the app and and listen to music and that's a fun app and i know you've told the story several times how it came about yeah
yeah that's just brilliant that's And it has so much. And it's built into iOS, like a version of that functionality. You can get more. You can see your history, I guess, if you add the Shazam app, which is free from the App Store. But that functionality is built into iOS. You can ask the S lady, what song is this? And it will invoke the same thing as the control center.
But that requires, A, that you speak, and B, that you speak loudly enough over the music that the S-Lady hears you and properly invokes the thing. So, yeah, I love having the Shazam thing in my control center. I think that's a good thing. Did Apple buy them or is that database public domain? Okay. Yes and yes. Okay. The database, it was all built on the GraceNote database.
And I'm pretty sure it still is. I can't imagine there's another database that would be better, which is a database of songs. And that's also what Pandora is based on. Like Pandora couldn't exist without Grace Note. That's how it like find songs that are sort of like the other ones that you listen to. And it all it taps into that. But the code base for Shazam is is not in the public domain. And, you know, so it's an interface to the grace note database
that that does the thing that that it does. And so, yeah, no, Apple did acquire it. OK, it's ideal. I don't know. I was looking at the Apple support page for this, and it says you can say, you know, hey, S-Lady, Shazam this song. And also that identified songs, even when you just ask her, are apparently saved to the Shazam app. And you can view that history, if you have the control center thing, by tapping and holding on the Shazam icon to quickly view your songs.
Yeah. Oh, that's cool. yeah the other thing i don't know if it invokes apple music or what but i've several of the times i've used shazam it'll pull up like the music video and play it along with what you're listening to including lyrics so but this is the there's a apple music icon or something and it says tap apple music and the notification to open the song in apple yes it yeah i always get it in my My, what's it called? The dynamic Island is where it appears for me.
Yes. You know, on that phone, but yeah, there's, there would be a notification that you, you would tap, but I want to, I want to make sure we didn't lose what you were saying there, Adam, about holding, going into control center and holding down press long press the Shazam icon. And you get that history that that's cool. Huh? Oh yeah. We almost crossed over that. Yeah. Yeah. A little tip. I like it. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool.
So I had a thing that I want to talk about that came up this morning for me. A little tip because I was struggling this morning. So last night, our theater had their little awards thing. And my daughter and I got an award for helping with set build, basically a certificate. Woohoo! Congrats! And she's moved. And so I wanted to send it to her and I'm like, I want to scan the document.
So I pulled out photos and I'm in the kitchen and I'm trying to take a photo of this thing so I can text it to her and I'm getting glare and shadows and I can't get it in the right orientation. And then I remembered, I wonder if I scan this document rather than try to take a photo of it, if it will be better. So I opened up, well, first I opened up notes because they're like, oh, I can scan from notes. So I opened up the notes app and hit the, you know, the dot, dot, dot, and scan this.
And lo and behold, it did the magic scan thing, did the, you know, identify the document and it was perfect.
And dropped it into my into my note and then I was like well I don't really want it in notes because now I gotta deal with taking it out of notes and then I remembered oh I can go to files and scan there right into my you know iCloud drive and then just send it to her and so if you're struggling like I do with documents I always forget use the scan feature because it has adjustments to take care of things like shadows and lighting and you know it is cheaper or gray scale yeah well i'm trying to
like i'm trying to like can i prop this thing up against the wall or like how do i get a good image you know clean image of this that looks like the actual document rather than and then you end up with a pdf so i was able to pdf it to her and if she wants to print it out or whatever nice so yeah very cool don't forget scan yeah and the, The the files app, it will scan to whatever folder you are browsed to in the file apps and files app.
And you find the scan functionality with the three dots in a circle in the upper right. So just in case you were. Yeah, the dot dot dot. Yeah. If you were having trouble finding it, it's up in the upper right under the dot dot dot. Yeah. You mentioned scanning to your iCloud Drive Documents folder, which of course is there. If you have other file services like Dropbox or Box or Synology Drive or things like that, you can add those.
Most of those now have the capability of being added to the Files app.
App so you can navigate directly you can use the files app as your you know one app to rule them all and go and you know navigate and you can you can drop you can drop shortcuts um like if you navigate to a certain folder that you're going to go to all the time uh you can long press on it and make it a favorite and then those favorites will ostensibly show up in the favorites list which is if it's on your ipad it's in the left sidebar if it's on your iphone then
you have to like navigate back to get to the the list of all of your services and favorites however as someone who has attempted for years to make use of favorites in the files app i have to say that it doesn't always work um i have things that are favorited that do not show up in the favorites and if i go to re-favorite them it says do you want to unfavorite this and it's like well sure and so i unfavorite it and then i go back to it and it's like do you want to unfavorite this and it's like
i thought we did that but there's some confusion on at least my devices and it's more than one It's happened on several. I haven't nuked and paved a phone in a while, but I think it did persist across this the last time I did. I think there's something quirky about it. I think it's more reliable with things in iCloud Drive than it is with things in, like, say, the Synology Drive app or Dropbox, you know, third-party drive.
But you should be able to put favorites for anything in the favorites list. So, I don't know. Maybe I should write in to MacGeekGab at feedback at MacGeekGab.com and see if those guys have any ideas. Hold on. Where? What did he say? Feedback at MacGeekGab.com. Oh, okay. I thought he said feedback at MacGeekGab.com.
That's right. Yeah. That's right. that's great uh can i just comment i want to comment of course that tip on on the files thing like putting all of your cloud services into files the files app because i did that and what's really nice about that and i i love it is now you have a unified like ui especially if you have multiple right so i've got you know dropbox in there and box and i don't know what else is i just put everything in there and so that's a great tip so thanks
for bringing that one no yeah absolutely and there are apps that will like i'm trying to think oh i've been spending a lot of time in the fourscore app lately which is a very purpose-built app for um generally for musicians to put uh charts for music and things like that and it's you can turn pages you can create set lists and all the things that if you need to do that it's like right there for you but um it has i think it has dropbox integration sort of
natively in the app and then it's got uh uh the files app and so i can pull things in from my synology drive even though the fourscore app doesn't have a direct link to synology drive the files app does have link to synology drive and so i can And I just go into. You know, I say browse files and then I can go wherever I want because it's all just the system services sort of making the magic happen. And it works great. So, and that would work in any app that can attach to the
files app or the files system, subsystem, whatever we're supposed to be. Yeah. And just to overload this, just to overload this topic, if you're not, you know, into the Apple thing, uh, being iCloud or, you know, Apple's files app.
I'll throw a honorable mention out to documents by reedle which i used to use uh don't use it as much anymore because files has gotten a little bit better and does more things but if you're looking for an alternative documents by reedle is another place where you can centralize all your cloud services and documents agreed all right i'm throwing one in too then because it's in setup, CloudMounter is in Setapp, which mounts all your iCloud, all of your...
Google cloud services dropbox cloud services thank you my brain went park this is for your mac yeah yes got it okay yeah all right oh you know i don't know if it's in the setup for ios or not i didn't even look at that well it couldn't be unless you live in the eu oh there you go right i mean although no i guess that's that's not necessary they have like they've figured out ways for some ios apps to be in setup for us not in the eu so this
is interesting have you used do you do you use cloud mounter pete i do yeah but uh the problem is for me it it depends how your brain pictures things it's it's easy to lose things because you've got it all mounted right where exactly did i put it so uh if you use it you need to use it all the time because Because if you don't use it all the time, you'll put something in your Google Drive and then not realize, you know, wait, it's not a meme.
All right. So go, Adam. We both have questions. I was going to ask. I presume this is it's mounting the cloud service. It looks like a mounted drive on your desktop. Okay. And okay. So that was probably going to be one of my questions.
If it wasn't, I'm glad you asked it, Adam. them um but the question i have is do you have to let me let me think about the right way to ask this so you you install cloud mounter and connect it to your whatever dropbox box you know i assume it supports google drive you know many different things right yes do you all your all your mac all your cloud storage services right so suppose but if i were to use cloud mounter do i then also need to install the dropbox app
for it to connect to dropbox or or do you not have to use the dropbox app it just talks to dropbox that's a good question i will try to get the answer for you before the end of the show okay my my guess is that it does not require you to run all of those Right. I don't think it does. Yeah. That's, that's my recollection. So assuming that's true and I really like, I can't imagine it wouldn't be true. Um, yeah, it, it is true. So what, what this means is.
You don't need to install, you get to run one app instead of six apps if you want to connect to six different cloud services.
Right. And that's huge. What also might happen, and I want to emphasize might because I don't know how Cloud Monitor is doing this, but I know that the way a lot of these things work, Dropbox on the free plan has a limit i think of two or three devices you know clients connected simultaneously i believe i know with other third-party apps that third-party apps don't count as one of your three it's entirely likely that cloud mounter also won't count as one of your three dropbox i bet it won't and
then just down at the bottom of comments there t androchatic in youtube mentioned that CyberDuck, which is a free FTP client, is good for mounting cloud services. Love that. I hadn't even considered doing that. Love that. That's great. Oh, yeah. Okay. We're getting somewhere now. I like this. Yeah. All right. This is how to mount your cloud services show. Evidently. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh. All right. I need to look into this more.
But, yeah, I think this is because, I mean, I mean, doesn't all this stuff use like WebDAV or FTP? I mean, I think these are all underlying technologies behind this stuff. Yeah, I don't think people are completely reinventing the wheel on this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, CyberDuck is an FTP client, a free FTP client, as I recall. I used to use it a lot.
I haven't used it in a while. But it does do more. It'll attach, yeah, Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, Amazon S3, all of those, and Microsoft Azure, and of course, FTP and SFTP, which is what it was built to do initially. Huh. I use Transmit. I'm sorry. I walked on you, Adam. No, no, no. You're all right. I was just going to throw in that I use Transmit and it's the same. I mean, you can, they've got options for WebDAV and S3 and FTP and SFTP and you name it.
That's the one from Panic which I've used for years. Never mind. I'm not going to say what I was going to say. Yep, there it is. It'll have a new cloud service. Yep. I use it every day and I see the icons when I add a new thing. I only ever use it for FTP, but I know it'll do everything pretty much. Hey, I've got a club to beat the dead horse with. Forklift. There you go. Sure, sure. There we are. I don't know what part of that is going to be the thing that gets us canceled.
We'll spend some time figuring that out. Forklift, not fork flight, Dave. No, I was talking more about the club and the horse.
Yeah, yeah. No, I know. I just noticed. Never mind. yeah yeah animal cruelty the animal cruelty episode yeah it's just not getting better i don't i don't think we're helping matters yeah but here's forklift um so yeah forklifts does that also do all of the yes it does certainly amazon s3 google drive dropbox okay so they're all doing this all right and it might come in set up it does forklift list of setup all right this is great i you know i think it would be easier to
list all the apps that don't get included in set app right i mean that just it really is an amazing model they they have they have you know essentially cornered the market that it it's um other people have tried but they are being super successful at it you know what and i realize we're here so we're just We're just gonna have this conversation. Prior to Setapp, the way indie developers sort of got their apps in front of people en masse with other indie apps was through these bundles, right?
Where somebody would bundle up, they would work with, and there were a variety of companies that were doing it. MacHeist was one of them, but there were others, right? Right. And and there would be a whole thing. It was like, OK, you know, you buy into the bundle for twenty dollars or something and it starts with five apps. And it's like, but if fifty thousand people buy into this bundle, we're going to unlock two more apps.
And if one hundred thousand people buy in, we're going to unlock two more apps. And then they would ostensibly I was never one of the developers, so I can't really speak to this. But, you know, ostensibly they would take the the proceeds from it. And there was a deadline. It was all, you know, I don't want to say false scarcity, but but created scarcity where it was like, OK, if you don't get in on this by, you know, February 12th, then that's the day that it's over.
But we'll do it. Maybe we'll do another one later in the year. Right. It was that whole, you know, don't leveraging FOMO.
It worked but what you were doing was buying either a license each app sort of was different right you'd get this pile of licenses and some of them would be full licenses for an app some of them would be like you know crippleware ish where you'd get six months and then it was like oh yeah haha now you have to pay us again or whatever like there were right right you know and then set app.
Really was the to me the evolution of that model which is like and and i will tell you mac heist tried to do what they were going to call a rolling bundle and they just didn't have the pieces in place to do it right but it was like it was clear that there was there was a business here and then set up you know it was like we know how to do a rolling bundle and and it turns out they did and still do yeah yeah and and i don't think you get any cripple wear
anywhere in setup i've never found right right yeah they their rules are are good enough for the end user i i suppose is the right way to say it yeah yeah the only the only thing you'll have there just to be aware of just so we give the pluses and minuses is i mean there is the times when a developer then opts out so yes apps sometimes come and go correct and they can and they can that's right they're allowed to yeah Yeah, that's right.
You generally still have whatever version you had when that developer left. Like, it's not like they pull. I've never seen them. Like, I don't think they actually pull the app. Oh, really? You might have to go sometimes outside the app to get an update. Oh, I see. It's the latest version of an app. So, like, you have version 2. They came out with version 3. It's not part of Setapp.
You have to go get version 3 some other way. Got it. So, as long as you're still paying your Setapp fee, you get to have what you've been using in set up as far as I know, it might not get upgraded. Oh, that, that actually makes now that you say it out loud like that, you know, it, it makes sense. Yeah. Cool. Fun. All right, folks, have you ever felt like your inbox is a haunted house of ads and creepy data tracking? Don't get caught in the spooky email trap.
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He says, I'm wondering if I have a right to be a bit disgruntled that a company that is so dedicated to the environment doesn't allow us to buy a Mac mini that at least allows me to reuse this display. What a waste to even have to take them, to take the energy to break down the iMac for recycling. Just curious. So he wants to use his iMac as a display. Fascinating. That's not the question I thought you were going to ask.
It's Dan, right? Well, sure. Can I use my 5K iMac as an external display? Yes. It's all fine. That would have been the first question to ask after we finished the whole backup block, but it's all good. The answer, Dan, is that I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I would love to use one of those 27-inch 5K displays that I have left over for something. And you're right that there's no, like, Apple-defined way of doing this with the 5K displays, at least none that I am aware of, with the 5K.
You could do it with the smaller ones, but not the 5K ones. And so but there is Luna Luna display, which I think might be your answer here. And it Luna display is a it's a combination of software and hardware that does exactly what you want here. And it creates this opportunity for your external, um, your, your standalone Mac to be an external display for something else. And, uh, it, it'll do 5k resolution. Um, as long as your Mac that's running, it is big, sir, or, or better.
And, uh, yeah, it'll, it'll, you know, it makes, makes it all makes it all work. So I think that's the answer for this, Dan. I don't know that I have any other thoughts. Adam, do you have thoughts? No. I mean, the only other option is to do this with a pure software solution, right? You can get basically remote access apps, you know. So you could even use the built-in screen share, right? Basically turn it into, well, if it was a desktop Mac, we call it, you know.
You can mirror the screens, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's software apps to do this I think Luna is the best one because it's a proprietary I think it uses proprietary wireless so it's going to be less latency the problem with doing any of these things is there is going to be a little bit of latency it's not like.
Plugging in a monitor right no matter what you do right it's it's doing work but with their hardware solution i think the the trick with luna is they fine-tuned that little dongle you know to optimize just doing the display mirroring or display extension or whatever yep you're wanting to do i'm i'm looking here i i know that in the chat um paul conaway said that luna works great if both devices are connected via ethernet wi-fi is barely usable i thought that that
luna used like you said its own thing but clearly there's more to this than i understand so going tugging on this thread that paul conaway brought in uh even if your macs aren't connected to ethernet for their network connection i wonder if you could just run an ethernet cable between right Right. Between the two Macs, you can always have two networks set up on a Mac.
And so creating that, you know, private network between those two computers, which probably DHCP would would take care of because it would assign it would do self assigned and then everybody can see everybody. That might be the way to do it. Again, I'm I'm I'm I don't want to say I'm pulling this out of thin air, but I'm certainly doing this without having researched if there's some reason that it couldn't work.
But but yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I don't, I don't know what happened because there was, I wish I could remember which model it was like a 2017, I think it was a 2017 iMac. Apple had an iMac, one iMac that I think actually could be used as an external display. Yep. If I'm remembering right. Yep. Um, well it was when they went to 5k that, that target display mode stopped being a thing that could be used. Yeah. Yeah. This wasn't even, was that, is that how it was powered?
But like i thought it actually had a connector on it like a monitor connector you could connect to the i want to say the the like the display port or the what we would call it the thunderbolt 2 port or whatever okay that's what i'm probably remember what i think you would connect to yeah yeah so they supported it on like one model and that was it it was like yeah i don't know why it went away yeah it was the 2017 iMac target display mode you're right yeah yeah and I think it was once once 5k
came in they were like well we can't like we that we have no way of connecting a 5k display so we're not going to bother and that was the end of that really at the time that that as I and as I remember it it was like well there's no you would have to use like two thunderbolt ports to do it the right I don't know there was some apple spun the whole thing I don't know of course it's just apple yeah yeah yeah um while we're on this topic uh professor professor easy for me
to say professor josh commented that uh you know it kind of along the lines of what you were saying there is um that jump desktop could be used as uh a way to control an external monitor he says you guys mentioned jump desktop as a tip recently um Um, he says, uh. And Jump Desktop is, you know, for remote control. He says, the problem is that I have a 2015 27-inch Retina iMac, so 5K, that functions very poorly as a computer anymore with most things I try to do on it.
However, it still has a big, beautiful screen. Apple does not allow target display mode. But I have found that Jump Desktop works very well to broadcast from my newer MacBook Pro over to my iMac. I use the iMac's keyboard and mouse and run Jump Desktop full screen on the 27-inch iMac. The app there doesn't demand very much. Sound from the MacBook Pro comes over as well. And there's very little to no lag even for playing videos.
I guess I get best results with the wired Ethernet to both computers as we discussed. So that's an interesting perhaps use case here as well. Well, yeah, that the trick there. And now we get to put on our hats, our thinking hats, not our our I don't know, not our dunce caps and talk about it doing that. You could certainly mirror the screen right via jump desktop or any of the screen sharing kind of, you know, apps.
Apps but is there a way and i think there is um to tell our max to create a second virtual screen for a monitor that doesn't exist and i seem to remember as i'm saying it out loud i seem to remember there was an app and it was mostly created for headless scenarios where you would set up a um. Sorry, I'm super distracted now thinking about dunce caps on a headless Mac because that's a funny image.
There you go. But it was for people who set up like a headless Mac mini headless, meaning no monitor and, you know, setting it up as a server or whatever. And then you'd want to connect to it. But because the machine was headless, it would show you like a 1024 by 768 screen. It was like, okay, well, this is cool, but I feel like I can't do anything on it because I can't make windows that are big enough, you know, to do all the things.
And so there was some way of telling the Mac, Hey, yeah, you've got your no screen, but it's okay. Add another virtual screen. So I don't, I don't know.
I don't know. because otherwise you're not going to be using the full 5k of the the like the thing you could use the full 27 inches but i think you're not gonna you're not gonna get the 5k image right right right yeah exactly so i don't i mean although a macbook pro what what's the resolution of a macbook pro and retina mode like it depending on the size of the macbook pro you might get close enough where you're okay but it's still mirrored you're not using two separate displays
right there it is mike mike uh sidle in the youtube chat says uh i have a little dongle that mimics a monitor and you can get them from owc so maybe this is the deal you put the dongle you put the dongle in on your your macbook pro and in this case and then screen share, to that screen so that you have the thing yeah i was gonna say i i've got one it's a little hdmi plug that you know dongle that goes in there i've done that
with my mac mini to run it headless so i have more options on the resolutions that i can go to and i'm not sure that it's given me um. All the resolutions that I want, but I bet it's, I bet it's close. I, and. Well, let's take a look. Cause I think I found it. I found the HDMI emulator. Oh, okay. So it can go up to four. I see. That's the 4k display one there. Yep. In the one that you're showing on the screen. I'm not sure that mine even goes to 4k that I had in my mini. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's interesting. Interesting. You need to be able to play. It is an HDMI plug. So you'd need a Mac with an HDMI plug, which I think the MacBook Pro has. But you could also you could dongle to the dongle. Right. If you if you don't have an HDMI port on your Mac, you could get a dongle that has an HDMI port and then plug this dongle into that dongle. And then you living the dongle life. Right. Oh, I don't know. Dunce caps and dongles.
And yeah. Yeah, and Bruce Minozzi points out that a bunch of other sources, dongles have different resolutions, so you've got to make sure you've got one that has 4K or 5K. Oh, my gosh, you've got to have the right dongle to plug the other dongle in. That's the issue that, yeah, that tells it, hey, go ahead and broadcast to this. Because, like I say, I have one in my Mac Mini, which I run headless, and it's been great.
Of course, because I use it for when I'm overseas, i use that jump desktop and i try to get it to give me uh youtube tv and the drm kicks in and i can listen to the sound because jump desktop transmits the sound but it won't transmit a picture remotely even with that dongle in yeah yeah yeah got it jerks uh you know it's how they are yep yep right right so go ahead adam so super dumb question and i just tried this i think you you can. What about built-in screen mirroring with display extension?
Oh, oh, oh, this is why we have you here, Adam. Quit that. Wait, that's a thing? I didn't even know this was a thing. Like you took my breath away, obviously. I had to get out my work MacBook Pro because I wasn't seeing another Mac onto my network with a screen, but I opened up that and now it's behind me, which is really inconvenient, but I have Safari up on that and then i now have three screens basically and and you are you can drag a window from.
Your mac that you're on over to this other mac yeah i think i think my notes are actually over there now oh yeah you might want to bring them back um okay i'm trying to find an apple support article about this and i couldn't find one it keeps wanting to bring up screen sharing yeah but yeah you can you can mirror and extend displays through you know i don't know screen or whatever you're gonna have latency issues like video
is probably not gonna be great like but if you're just doing documents and stuff like that like it's a possibility i think yeah well any of these you're gonna have latency like you're not gonna be playing games across this it's certainly Certainly not twitchy games or whatever, but huh.
I wonder, I would love, the reason I wanted to find an Apple knowledge base article was well, a, to give people instructions on how to like do this, but also be to see what like minimum Mac OS version I would need to run on the, we'll call it the target Mac. Right. Right. Um, what is it? Is it called screen extension? It's called screen mirroring and i think it's just part of your display settings yeah no i see it just shows up as a display right.
Right i'm gonna i'm definitely gonna break things as i'm looking for this but yeah you go you go into displays and system settings you hit the plus button and you get mirror or extend to and i see my Mac in the office right there. Yep. And you can move them around in your display settings and arrange them and change the settings. Yeah, of course. Cause then it's a thing. Extend or mirror your Mac desktop. Wait, did I find, no, I found the same fricking article it keeps bringing up for me.
Google is failing. Huh. Yeah. This is so fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. I just know it worked. No, it does work. Again, I just want to find a knowledge-based article, but that's, I'm going to let go of that. I'm not going to be hung up on that. So T. Andrew Kadic believes we need Sonoma or later. I don't know what that means anymore. I think it's, I think it's- Starts with an S, ends with an A. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Sayonara. Yeah, Sayonara. Yeah, exactly.
That's Mac OS 14. That's the current version of Mac OS that's not in beta. Yes. Okay, thank you for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it definitely works on that. I thought this feature existed earlier. It might. Much earlier, but I may be wrong. Huh. Both my machines are on Sonoma, and it obviously just worked. Like, I had basically three monitors. Yeah. And one of them was my Mac. Right, right, right. And I could have gone to my Apple TV, too, if I wanted to do that and extend it to that.
Yeah, right. That we do all the time. Right. Yeah. All right. Love this. Love this. All right. Are we going to get back to backup questions? Back to backups? Yeah. So I skipped an entire section of the agenda just to throw you guys off. Thanks. Yeah. I was like, what is he asking? This sounds familiar, but it's not what I'm expecting. Is my dunce cap still on? Yeah. That's what I do. I'm hearing that. Oh, I know. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. Yep.
You're going to take us to Jeff? Anytime you're ready, Pete. Am I going to do it? I can take us to Jeff. Anytime you're ready. I'm getting there. Hang on, Jeff. What's the simplest way to backup? He says, hey, guys. Hey. I run a small local repair shop for phone and computer repair, and I'm wondering if you have any suggestions for a customer that I'm currently working with. He is a semi-professional photographer, but he really doesn't have a backup strategy in place.
Currently, I'm working on saving about 700 gigabytes of pictures from his old MacBook that he forgot that he even had whoa currently his workflow is to use Apple photo for everything and he creates new photos new photos library every year on a yearly basis with all of the photos for that year he is not using iCloud photos so all of his pictures are only on his MacBook obviously this could be disastrous oh yes I am currently working on a backup strategy just to
suggest to him he is not the most technical person in the world so the simpler the setup the better but I would also like it to be a robust solution for him he does have a home and office that are physically separate so what I was thinking was suggesting a signal a sonology NAS at each location and then somehow syncing the two together it would be good for him to be able to make a change to either one and then that change be replicated on the other
any ideas on making it seamlessly work with this Mac unfortunately I have not yet I've gotten a chance to dive deep into the NAS world yet. So my experience is minimal in this area, but I think it might be right for him. Any other ideas would be great. Thanks guys. Jeff. Uh, yeah. So the simplest way is going to be for him to pony up for the monthly fee and do, um, iCloud photos and stores photos there. Uh, you know, it's, it's going to be what it's 700 gigs.
It would be 10 bucks a month. I think it would be enough to get a terabyte. You might be able to do it for less than that. I'm not sure. I know that syncing your photos to the cloud is not officially a backup, but by golly, it's better than what's currently happening there, which is that they exist nowhere else. So yeah, that, that would be my recommendation. Now I realize he's not on that. He may have security reasons or personal reasons for not wanting his photos on somebody else's storage.
And of course, that would preclude iCloud Photo Library. So moving past that... I would say Time Machine would be the next best thing. And maybe even also along with that best practice. Like Time Machine is there to do exactly this. And again, it hits the bar of simple. Because as I've always said, I love the idea of backing it up to a Synology.
Synology the Venn diagram of novice users and Synology users has no overlap and I don't mean that novice users can't use a Synology what I do mean is that once you start using a NAS you are no longer a novice user and so you have to sort of buy into learning a new operating system learning a new interface like that's just going to be how it is and and it's fun don't don't get me wrong we talk we love that you know we talk about it here all the time but it it's not the simplest
path nor is it necessarily the most cost effective although if you're going to do other things with the synology and this you get as an added benefit then maybe you know dollar cost averaging you get yourself there but um i don't know that's that's my them's my thoughts adam you have any thoughts on this yeah i actually really do um and i think the the trick here is so So a couple of things to know.
If you go the iCloud photos route, where he's going to run into a problem is with his workflow, which is currently creating a new iCloud or a new photo library every year for his photos, because iCloud photo library will only allow you to have one system photo library that goes to the cloud. You can't have multiples. So he'd only have his current year or he'd have to change that workflow.
Flow um but uh i think you're absolutely right on the time machine path like that's the easiest way because he's got these individual photo libraries for every year they're just a file on his computer that will get backed up by any local backup system he wants to put in place so carbon copy cloner it could be a you know a directly attached nas or drive you know like raid drive is like is what i I want to say not an ass, but directly attached raid. Yeah, whatever you... Just a huge, you know...
Terabyte hard drive or whatever you know like lots of options there and then um you know it could be either he could literally have the library on that drive and then backed up someplace else and i think that's where he's getting at with this home office nas thing is i would assume the assumption is he puts all his photo libraries on the nas at the office and you could have it synced to the NAS at home, right? But like you said, that'd be kind of a complex setup, it sounds like, for this guy.
So I like the idea of just, you know, have a regular cloned backup to another drive and just move those libraries over. You can automate that. You could use a tool if you wanted, like, ChronoSync to do that. You could simply set up a Hazel script to just copy, you know, the libraries over.
I mean, there's like a million ways you could do this to get the libraries from, you know, know in two places locally without having to do a lot of must or fuss yep and oh sorry then the last thing on that is my other recommendation is take a look at uh power photos from fat cats fat cat software which is specifically software that's easy to use designed for managing multiple photo libraries i love power photos it like it is yes it is if you're doing anything Anything with photos,
you know, other than just like they're in my library, but if you need to do copying or merging photo, like all of those things, if you're managing multiple libraries, either long-term or even short-term power photos is yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yep. Yeah. All right. Sandro had a related question that I think is is worth sort of digging into while we're here. And the the basic question is, does Time Machine back up my iCloud photos library?
And the answer, because and I even said, like, get iCloud photos library and also Time Machine.
However um time machine only backs up what's on your mac what's actually stored on your mac so if you have icloud photos set to optimize storage and it's all syncing up to the mac to the cloud and you only have a subset of your photos local that subset will get backed up um if you have download originals to this mac setup then that will get backed up with uh with any of your local backup solutions as long as you tell it to back those up or tell it not
to exclude those and there's some world where time machine excludes certain things in the cloud by default i know it's um there was some question a week or two ago or a comment a week or two ago where documents, was not all being uh time machine backed up but i think that was in an optimized storage on this Mac scenario is if I'm remembering correctly. So yeah, yes, it will.
The answer, the short answer is yes, it will. As long as the photos are actually on your Mac and you tell it to back them up. Yeah. So. Okay. Yeah. That's what I got. Um, Adam, are we good on this one? Yeah. Okay, good. Uh, then we'll go to, uh, John here. And I think this is a good one for you.
John says, uh, it's very kind of in, in our backup section here, as I was reading Apple's document about the desktop and documents folder, there, it was a section in there that says, It says, if you want to store your files in iCloud Drive and another cloud storage service, you can keep copies of your files in both, but you can't keep folders from a third-party cloud service in iCloud Drive, right?
You can keep your other cloud service folders in a different place on your Mac, like the home folder. If you already use a feature from another cloud provider that syncs or manages your desktop and documents folders, you need to turn it off to use iCloud desktop and documents.
John's question based on that is i use backblaze and time machine as backup solutions does all of this mean that my icloud drive sync documents will no longer be part of my backblaze backup does it impact my time machine sorry if i'm the one confused it's a mess and i want to make sure i'm doing it right thanks john yeah and it kind of relates to what you were saying earlier about the setup, right? So this is confusing. I had to read this a few times because I'm with John.
This statement from Apple is a little bit confusing. And so what it might sound like is you can't use a service like Dropbox or some other cloud service thing and have your stuff backed up. But what it's really saying, if you read it, is don't have your cloud service... Like, don't put your Dropbox folder in your desktop and documents folder. It needs to exist outside. It's a separate service, right? And so...
That's what it's saying here, you know, because then things will get wonky because you have one thing that's trying to sync things that's syncing to another thing and you're going to get all out of whack. So don't do that. But you'd have to deliberately set up these services that way, like Dropbox and Box and Cloud Drive that doesn't put something in your documents folder. It sets up a separate part on your drive.
So then in terms of, you know, is your stuff going to get backed up to Backblaze, Time Machine, all that stuff goes to what Dave just said earlier. As long as those files are on your Mac, those services can back them up as long as you don't exclude them.
So, you know, if you have Dropbox or Box or whatever cloud service set up to always keep copies local and not just optimized to the cloud, then yes, as long as there's a physical local copy on your drive and you're backing up that drive and not telling it to exclude it, you can back up with backblaze you can back up time machine that's the key just know that you have actual copies of those files and then also yeah don't don't inception your cloud services like don't you know don't
put your backblaze in your iCloud drive or your or your yeah backblaze too i mean but uh don't you know put one cloud service inside another cloud service in terms of of like where the storage is going, because then the universe will implode. A cloud within a cloud. Yeah, I love that. That's the money quote right there. Right. Don't inception your cloud services, folks. It's great advice. Like it says it all right there. That cloud will not have a silver lining. No.
Yeah, that cloud will not. All right. We got one more in the backups realm here. Yeah, Mr. Andrew writes in. So Andrew wrote in. He says, hi, Dave, Adam, and Pilot Pete. I reformatted an external Samsung T5 SSD by my own fault and not paying attention to which drive I was reformatting. As I had two identical drives attached to my 14-inch MacBook Pro running macOS 14.5. Sayonara. Sonoma, sorry. Yeah, well, it was Sayonara, I think is right.
In this case, Sayonara, because is there any hope of me recovering data? Approximately 236 gigabytes of data after reformatting it. Nothing else has been done to the drive since this boon-headed move. I ran disk drill on it and was not able to find anything. I want to attempt a pass with data rescue, but thus far it does not see the external drive, even though it shows up in finder.
I have an old backup of the data, but thought I would use this experience as a way to teach myself some data recovery skills. Any guidance would be appreciated. Ouch. Yeah. Ouch. Um, I, I mean, disc drill. Deleting is one thing, but format. How? I mean, a format. Like if, If we look at how long a format takes, it happens very quickly, unless you tell it to do the erase pass first, which don't do that on an SSD. This is not going to end well. That will...
It like it doesn't actually erase everything. It just rebuilds the the the table of contents, if you will. Right. So the data is, at least in theory, still there or some version of it. And Kiwi Graham points out that that disk utility doesn't let you do an erase pass on SSD. So you have to really go out of your way to do this. So so the data is still there.
Um distril you know would have been my first thought um but if it's not built to do, this scenario then it's not going to work in this scenario right the other one to check would be stellar um it is again a piece of software you can with most of these the way it works is you download the software for free it shows you if it can recover it and then you pay to unlock the software and and get your data right which is actually it's kind of nice i mean i know it seems
like they're teasing you but they're letting you know if their software has a chance of working before you pay for it which i really i kind of like that model um so i would try stellar um, and if not then like it's total rescue with that was them right was the the company that that he, He mentioned that Data Rescue, which is what I used to use back in the day. Yeah, right, right. He was going to try that too. Yep. Yeah, so that would be, yeah.
Does Data Rescue, is that still a thing? Yeah, ProSoft. Like, is it up to date for... I think so. Okay. Yeah. Then you know what? If it is, assuming it's up to date for, you know, the current version of Mac OS, which it sure seems like it is, then, and again, they offer the free download. Yep. It does say retrieve lost files from SSD is listed in the long list, which is great. And also restore lost data due to, and the list includes, and in fact starts with formatting.
Formatting so this would be download the free version see if it shows in fact it says their their free version um gives you one gig of free data recovery and if you want more than you buy the 79 license so yeah or come up with 239 new user ids to get them all at once well i mean you You could, you could, I I'd pay the 79 bucks, but you know, it's a lot easier. Yeah. Yeah. And then beyond that, the thought would be I'm glad to see this still exists. I wasn't sure it was going on with pro soft.
There was a period of time where they were kind of in limbo, but it seems like they're out of limbo, which is awesome. Beyond that, it would be sending it off to a professional data recovery service. So would be, you know, the, the other way, but I, I would say that, um, that it's there, like, like based on what I know. I was glad to hear this is a, uh, this is just an, a, uh, exercise and that there, there is a backup.
Yes. I guess that's fair. This is the reason this conversation right here, folks, is the reason why I've always been so fanatic about backup because backup is easy. Recovery is hard to next to impossible and very expensive yes yes yes yep but you can try it with the free versions of these like for this for this exercise you get to try it and learn and prepare yourself for the day when disaster does strike because it's just disaster is going to strike all All of us, you know, in some way,
shape or form at some point in time, so long as we use computers long enough. Right. It's not an if, it's a when. It's not an if, it's when. Yeah, exactly. So. Yeah. So learning about these options and being sort of prepared for them
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Speaking of airplanes, Pete, I was talking before about sometimes I, I spoil myself with extra leg room on the plane. What, um, can I, can I get an extra leg room seat? Can I reserve an extra leg room seat for our trip to Mac stock that's coming up? I'm going to give you a window seat up front, brother.
And and the seat's adjustable just like oh that's right yeah yeah yeah yeah so we are i think we said it in the last show but if we didn't pete and i uh we're flying your uh grumman tiger right out to max stock from new hampshire here so yeah and after that trip she's going in the paint shop so oh wait does that mean we can have fun at max stock and like paint her up a little bit for for five minutes before you're oh sure there we go that'll be one event for i'll tell mike
to put it on the schedule we'll go to the airport two miles away and paint pete's plane that'll be there you go art make it an art plane right well thinking of that though so i'm gonna put some tiger nose art on it and i used a dolly to help me come up with tiger nose art i'm stoked it looks nice i told it to give me a tiger breaking out of the cowling and so there's metal's all torn away and the tiger's here and it's claws and teeth i'm stoked even the
guy at the paint shop was like oh that's cool that's cool i can do that yeah yeah um and if you are if you haven't yet registered for mac stock uh use code mac geek gab and you save 30 bucks so nice Nice. Yep. Yep. All right. Hi. So on to cool stuff found, uh, I, Wacom was kind enough to send me a, uh, 13, a one, Oh, any 13 touch pen display. And I have between moving and a couple other things in my own, uh, self-inflicted stupidity wounds.
I was having trouble getting it up and running. Well, finally last night I, I went back and I went through everything piece by piece and I got it running. So for those of you with Macs and think this may be hard, don't let that –. Just just discourage you from going with the 113 and i'll talk more about that in a future show so far i really like it that the matte screen on it is great the pen is responsive.
But what i was looking for was a way to use it to its maximum and i couldn't find anything because their videos all showed everybody using photoshop well pete doesn't have photoshop and i'm like okay what am I gonna do so I went into setup and I said hey what what's a good drawing program what and it came up with Taya sui sketches that's T as in tango ay a s is in Sierra UI Taya sui sketches comes right with setup put it in there and in seconds literally in seconds I had selected a pen I
had selected a color and the palette and i was off to drawing i had a toucan up there and it was great it was amazing little drawing tool draw anything that your artistic heart desires did you draw both cans at the same time or or one at a time yeah well the top can on his beak and then the bottom can on his beak there right toucan sam so yeah cool tai sui schedules was a fun little program I didn't know existed and until I needed something to make this one, one touch,
one 13 touch monitor come to life. And, uh, so both, both are cool stuff found. I'll talk more about the monitor, like I say, in the weeks ahead, but, uh, that was, that was fun. So, and thank you to Wacom for all, they were super supportive when I wrote to them and said, look, I've got, I'm not getting it. Something's wrong here. They were real helpful. So they, they want it to be a good experience for you. Taya Sui sketches is also great on iPad and iOS with an Apple pencil.
And, uh, it's, yeah, it's really, really good. Uh. Uh, interesting. All right. Cool. Great. Uh, I have been, well to say playing would be a hundred percent accurate, but it sounds weird when you're talking about vacuums. I have been playing with, really using, some of the more upscale vacuums lately, specifically the Roborock Q-Revo and the Anker S1 Pro. The Anker S1 Pro is brand new. The Q-Revo has been out for a little while.
Both of these are vacuums with what I will call fully functioning docks and also mops, right? So this is, you know, the Cadillac range of, you know, robot vacuums and mops. They both have water tanks in the base. And I say tanks. You want a clean water tank and a dirty water tank. And I need to tell you how important it is that these two and any robot vacuum you choose to get have a clean, have a dirty water tank that seals extremely well.
And the reason that I know that it seals extremely well is that after letting it run for a month and realizing, oh, I need to like refill the clean water tank and dump the dirty water tank. I opened the dirty water tank and I almost had to move out of my house.
Gross the smell was so bad but it was like wait a minute this has been living in my living room for a month and we never noticed how bad and putrid this was i mean it's think about it it's like old mop water it's mop water which is bad enough to begin with and then it's old right but it's not it's a science experiment now it's a science experiment yeah exactly but really like dumped it out i mean it like i noticed the smell when i was dumping it out for both
of these but then you know you seal it back up I mean the smell goes away like we didn't actually have to it wasn't like I had opened a can of Sir Stroming which, then explodes and you know fills your walls and then you really do have to move opens only ever open Sir Stroming outside and preferably with clothes that you don't care about, and it also doesn't I don't prefer the taste of Sir Stroming but anyway um.
So they both have the mop tanks. They have different style mops on them, but both of them have the capability of lifting the mop when it comes over carpet. And that I find really important because you don't want the mop getting your carpet wet, but you also don't want all the carpet stuff kind of getting up in the mop. So it's important for two reasons. The Q-Revo has flat spinning mops. They kind of look like they are little disks of mops that are underneath, of course, the unit.
And the mops spin in opposite directions to really kind of get stuff. Uh they it and and that's how this works the q revo cleans the mop when it's back at the base and the base unit has a way of rinsing the mop out the anchor s1 pro uh or sorry it's from anchor it's the eufy s1 pro my apologies but eufy is an anchor company uh the way their mop works is it is a roller brush and I'm trying to find a picture of it, but I can't quickly here. Uh, it is a, a roller brush that, um, um.
Is cleaned as part of the mopping process. So it's spraying water down onto the mop while it's cleaning. And we had an issue. Our dog knows when we get a new robot vacuum. It strategically, most of the time, these robot vacuums are awesome at avoiding dog poop on the floor, but sometimes they're not. And our dog knows when we've gotten a new robot vacuum and will poop on the floor in just the right spot. Just to help. Yeah, in just the right spot so that the vacuum or whatever will not avoid it.
And of course that happened right after we set up the Eufy S1 Pro. And the first thing I will say is that this thing is really easy to clean. I've had it with vacuums that are not easy to clean and I threw one away in a tantrum one morning.
Um yep i'll admit to it uh that was a while ago but you know it happens but this one not only was it easy for me to sort of clean it wasn't fun mind you but it was easy it took about 20 minutes to kind of get everything out and get the vacuum back to a point where i trusted it to like.
Vacuum my spread more correct yeah exactly um but the next time i had it mop man after that the mop looked brand new so this cleaning of the mop really like it's good it's a good feature for these things to have and then lastly um they're and of course they're all app controlled and all of that stuff and they have they both have fantastic mapping uh it like it just works beautifully and you can say okay this this floor should be mopped this floor not mopped and it's
It's like the whole deal and you can obviously schedule it however you want. Both of these have what I will call the new style of roller, which is the rubber rollers. And this is for the vacuum to pull the stuff up into the vacuum. The rubber rollers that do not just coil up all the hair that is on the floor, which has been a problem with the sort of brush based rollers that have existed in robot vacuums for a long time.
That's perhaps one of the most important features if you're going to get a new robot vacuum get the one with the the rubber molar roller not rubber molars those are for your mouth and i also don't recommend that uh the the prices on these they're they're not you know these are the cadillacs of vacuums the q revo has been in the market for a while it is its list price is 8.99 i saw it last week for $769 on Amazon. The Eufy S1 Pro is brand new. Its retail price is $1499, but it will come down.
That said, I like the S1 Pro better than the Q Revo simply because of the mopping, the active brush cleaning or the active mop cleaning. And it also has soap that you put in there. It's their own soap. So, you know, you're going to keep paying them to, to buy soap, but, but you are actually putting like it, it, it chooses how to mix it all. But yeah. So can you tell what kind of soap it is if you wanted to try and substitute? It's in its own container.
Like it's a, it's a custom. I, yeah, I don't know. Maybe, and maybe somebody will come out with something and I don't know. I, I, I should have looked before we did this to what the soap costs, but, um, but yeah, there you go. So it. I don't think if you're dropping 15 Benjamins on it, you care what the soap costs. Correct. Just saying. Yeah, that's right. My guess is it's going to settle in at about a thousand, Pete, would be the right price for this thing. Yeah. Yeah.
In the less expensive department, Adam, you got a cool stuff found for us before we leave? Oh. I do. It's a bell. No. And you get one of these successes for, it's just a service bell, about $4.99. And the reason I have this thing, we were talking at the top of the show before we started recording. So I work as a web developer and a guy I was working with mentioned that he would celebrate his small successes.
So in coding, it's usually you're stuck on some sort of product problem and you get through it or whatever. But this is just a general cool thing. And he sent it as a gift. It was a surprise. And then told me this story about, yeah, it was really fun. Anytime somebody would have a small success at work in the cubicles, you'd hear a ding and everybody could kind of celebrate the success. And it's just a good thing for life. So it's just a little bell that sits on my desk.
And anytime I have a little life success or something, you ring it and kind of celebrate it and even by yourself it works great and i think it's like 4.99 on amazon like it's a simple little thing but good reminder that you know oftentimes i think in life we can get kind of caught up in negative stuff but you know celebrate your small wins and this is just a little mechanism to kind of do that which i thought was pretty cool i love that that's i i'm I'm definitely going to get one of those.
I think you can certainly approximate this or even do it like with a with, you know, like with the bell that we do here on the show. Right. I don't know why that. Oh, I know why that's. Yeah, there it is. Thanks, Pete. Yeah. But having, you know, having a bell, like having a physical device that is purpose built for this at the ready, you don't have to like launch an app and like bring the thing, you know, I like that. Yeah.
Yeah. It's just fun, fun little thing. So, you know, go out and celebrate your, celebrate your small wins folks. Cause we all deserve it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Pete, I'm going to, I'm going to get one of these, obviously, as I said, and I'm going to, I'm going to get some double-sided tape. And I'm going to stick it in your plane right on the dash and every time while we're flying that you do something that's like good I'll just hit the bell. We get the clearance we want?
Ding! There you go. Pete, will arrive solo at MaxDoc and me and the bell will be left somewhere alone. No Dave you don't need the seatbelt on when I open the canopy. Dave you're fine. Which is one of the cool things about the Tiger. You can fly with the canopy open.
Huh that's interesting yeah if if you promise to keep the canopy closed i promise not to ring the bell oh there you go well i'm gonna make you talk on the radio though so bring your radio voice okay i'll bring my radio voice that'll be funny yeah yeah yeah i i really i look forward to this i think it's gonna be fun yeah yeah so am i great uh yeah thanks for hanging out with us everybody and uh come see us at max doc all three of us will be there adam's coming from the opposite
direction so he won't be flying in Pete's plane he'll be driving in his vehicle I believe yeah and and Barry and I may have maybe talking about bringing some virtual reality devices let's just say oh fun all right having those two for people to play around with so if you haven't had a chance to try a vision Pro, Maybe an opportunity for you. Cool. I still haven't done that even at the Apple Store. I need to do that. Oh, it is fun. Yeah, the demo's good.
And we will be doing a live Mac Geek Gab from Mac Stock. It will be on Friday night. And I probably should have cleared this with Mike before I said it, but I'm pretty sure it's open to everyone that's attending Mac Stock. Like there's the pass that gets you the Friday daytime workshops. That's a separate, I mean, it's an add-on thing that, you know, you pay a little extra for so that you can get access to these workshops.
The MacGeekUp thing at night, I believe, is included in the standard MacStock pass. But get there. You know, we're going to be there. Our plan is to be there Thursday night. I think all three of us hope to be there by Thursday night and then just kind of be there through the whole thing.
So um yeah get the friday pass and you know enjoy that and then we'll do mac geek up after dinner on friday night and then the sessions start uh they go saturday and sunday and i think there's all kinds of i i think there's a karaoke thing that kelly gumont is trying to uh put together and i think we'll put together for saturday night yeah good knowing that yeah that will happen that will happen right yeah exactly and that will the cool part about max stock this year uh one cool part about
max stock this year is that it's all at one place the hotel is the conference center there's a restaurant there's a bar so i you know hopefully that camp vibe of max stock will perhaps expand even more so come see us there thanks for hanging out thanks to our sponsors for providing all the the uh the the sponsorships uh that we had uh fastmail.com slash mgg and ZocDoc.com slash MGG. Thanks to CashFly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you. And thanks to you for listening.
As Pete said earlier, please, my three words are going to be share the show. Adam, do you have three words? Um, oh, don't get caught. Music.