It's time for MacGeekGab and listener Jim brings us our quick tip of the week with Discovered this by accident when I held the wrong modifier and clicked an app in the dock. Command click an app in the dock and a finder window will open with the location of an application selecting the app you clicked on.
Most of us keep all of our apps in the applications folder, so this is probably of limited utility, but it's a hair faster than right clicking and selecting show and finder from the options menu. More tips like this, plus your questions answered today on MacGeekGab 1048 for Monday, July 29th, 2024. 24. Music. Greetings, folks, and welcome to Mac Geek Out, the show where you send in tips like that. We share them. You send in cool stuff out. We share them. You send in questions. We answer,
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And here in South Dakota, I'm Adam Christensen. And here also in New Hampshire is Pilot Pete. And right before the show, Adam brought up a great technical term, a hair faster. And it can go either way. It could be H-A-R-E or H-A-I-R. Really? Because they're both fast. Oh, yeah, yeah. One's fast and one's a little bit. One's a little bit. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And today is... A few microns. today the 29th is national lasagna day and uh adam i know that's one of your favorite foods yeah so there you go. Oh, the 29th, though. The 29th, yeah. I get mixed up because it's my birthday, and my wife had asked me what I wanted to eat for my birthday. We've already decided on dinner, so I'm not going to change it on her. But I would have done lasagna. You could maybe have lasagna on Monday. We record this on Friday, which is Adam's birthday.
Happy birthday, Adam. And then you get to sort of re-celebrate again on the day the show's released for National Lasagna Day. So there you go. There you go. And I'd hit you with a call sign. Yep, that's what I'm having Monday.
Monday there you go and if i had known i'd hit you with a call sign garfield oh there it is i was actually a huge garfield fan as a kid you know that was back when you had the ones that you could stick on your your window right so i had one i definitely had one of those in my car you know where it was slapped oh yep to the back window yeah with the suction cups that's great That's great. Get a feel for myself. And then the other one was, those two, that one, Calvin and Hobbes.
All right, let's move on from our comments. Are we moving on? Yeah, we should do that. Let's do it. People didn't come to hear about my cartoon likes. Let's assume that's correct. That's correct. Yeah. All right. Jose writes in, he says, I drive a lot for work and I use alarms on my iMac to alert me when it's time to leave. However alarms do not display a countdown the way timers do timers however require you to do the math for a specific departure time for example if it's currently 9 0 8 a.m.
And I have to leave at 12 45 p.m. That's too much brain work especially while I'm trying to rush to get work done I wondered if the Siri assistant would figure this out so I asked set a timer that will go off at 12 45 p.m. The math was done for me and the timer was set for the departure at the appropriate time. I got both the visible countdown on my screen and the alert at the desired time of 12.45 p.m. Problem solved.
And just a reminder, here's another quick tip within a quick tip that Type to Siri can be used in environments where others are working around you, which is more common these days. So that feature can be found under accessibility. There you go, Allison. On the Mac, the iPad, and the iPhone. phone. Also, I did some tests on my phone and prepping for this email saying, uh, saying Siri in the middle of a sentence does not seem to activate Siri.
It, that's why I'm saying it instead of S lady. It seems only to activate when used at the end of a sentence or when there is a pause afterwards in settings I have selected, listen for Siri or Hey Siri. And that's how it, he gets it done. So thanks. Yeah. Cool. So I love, I love that. That's cool to know of the The Timerman. Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah, I didn't know that. I would have never thought to even try.
And I like that you don't have to say S-Lady in the middle of a sentence to keep from. Oh, well, I'm guessing that you've activated someone's S-Lady by doing that, Pete. Yeah, I think we probably here on this show, we might want to stick with the convention. Well, what drives you? Well, that's probably not too a bad idea, but what drives me is not just want to go seriously. Oh yeah. And there you just set someone's up too. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I've generally found the, you know, the training thing, at least in my house works most of the time. I rarely get false positives when I'm listening to podcasts or, or things come up, but it's still does happen. It's not perfect.
Yeah yeah it's it's imperfect i i uh we had a we went down to massachusetts and connecticut and saw a bunch of concerts and driving back yesterday um i couldn't in fact the whole time the s lady was not being my friend for half of the drive down it wouldn't this happened to us when we were in tennessee for five minutes pete driving the the crew car where uh i was waiting for directions and the s lady would just chime as though there was like driving music
play yeah it did it again to me where instead of telling me the directions it just chimes then it's like better look at the screen buddy otherwise you don't know where you're going and i don't know why it started doing that and then on the way home yesterday um it i i asked it for something and it was like sorry there's a problem you know it's like yeah okay great and what i realized was even though i had five bars of 5g on a highway in america there was no data connection happening
And I had to turn my phone into airplane mode and then back out of airplane mode. And suddenly, like all these notifications came in and all this stuff. Bing, bing, bing, bing. Why can't my phone auto heal in those scenarios? It knows the same information I do that it can't get a data connection and yet it should be able to get one.
Why can't it do the let me reset myself in those scenarios? I suspect that the engineers don't want that to happen because it might falsely break your connection when you need it not to.
Just to guess i'm blaming karma or solar flares or something this week because between the you know crowd strike cloud strike or whatever it's called and then like weird junk has been happening this week you know ups had a massive outage yesterday quickbooks had a massive outage yesterday my phone's doing this thing this week where uh i'll open a safari browser and i can't i get a white blank window for like a new tab and none of my none of my searches work nothing works and i've
had to hard reboot my phone to get it to come back and i've had to do it twice this week and it's just random it's never done that before and just suddenly so i don't know i don't know weird mystery week so i cosmic rays or something i took i took my experiences with my phone's. Unreliability as a sign that I should install the iOS 18 and watch 11 betas on my devices. So I am now running those on my, yeah.
I figured if it's going to be like this, I might as well start playing with the new features. So I have now. I was going to mention, although I have CarPlay in my truck now, I do wear my watch. You may not have been wearing your Apple watch.
Or were you? Yeah, I was were on my apple watch on this trip yeah i noticed yeah i do when you have maps up it it taps you on the wrists and you can just look at your wrist and go oh that's not mine i i don't like it tapping me while i'm driving yes okay yeah which is a thing you can turn off in i believe it's settings maps on uh on on your phone yeah and so well now now it's settings apps maps because they've buried all that stuff there, which further down, further down.
One more tap away, but let's see. Is there a preferred type of spoken directions, climate map, levels, watch? I don't know. It's somewhere. Maybe it's in setting. Maybe it's in the watch app. Yeah, yeah. I bet it is. I'll look for it while Adam goes to the next quick tip. I think I'll take us to the next quick tip, but it's okay. Or somebody will. I'm not up yet. I can't. My phone's my camera. No, I'll take us to Badger, which is a fascinating discussion that happened in our Discord.
Badger writes, I sent in an original 9.7-inch iPad Pro for trade-in to Apple. And after they got it, the value was, they told me it was going to be $65. And after they got it, the value was reduced to zero due to, quote, Quote, LCD display burn in damage slash streaks slash discoloration across the screen. Quotes, uh. Badger continues, I'd never noticed any issues, and I had been using two iPads side by side for some time, plus a few days with my new iPad Air M2.
I rejected Apple's new $0 value and had it returned. The only issues I saw on return were fingerprints from Apple's handling. I cleaned it up and tested it by taking photos, the camera being more sensitive than the eye to subtle changes. Oh, nice. Yep. With both white, but with white, red, green and blue screens, not seeing any damage streaks, discoloration issues.
So here is the quick tip. Badger says I took it into the Apple store for evaluation and I received the $65 trade in that was originally offered.
Offered so if you don't like apple's mail-in trade value or trade revaluation then bring it to an apple store and they will do a trade valuation there for you too and this way it's a human doing it in front of you so they need to be able to tell you with a straight face and point to the problem that they are seeing as opposed to just somebody checking or you get to wave the bs flag yes right yeah yeah yeah you get to throw the flag yeah exactly yeah nice try but no nice that is a
great that is a great tip probably for someone like me and maybe some other people the 65 is probably uh not worth the four-hour drive that's fair that's fair well now now you're You're bringing logic into the equation when justice is what matters. True. Yes. Justice trumps logic. Yes. I just wonder what happens when I take my work iPad in for trading. Um, don't buy my company, a new iPad. I did a stupid thing once I had a, an Apple loaner iPad, or maybe it was an iPhone.
Either way, it doesn't matter. You know, they send you, send you these things sometimes to test, not so much. And, um, and I had one and I had it so long, I forgot it was theirs. And I actually took it in and paid for a repair on it. Uh and then yep and then like a year and a half later they're like hey can we have that back and i'm like yes you can have it back yep and by the way it's fixed you're welcome and it's fixed right yep sure did i sure did yeah that felt really good that day.
Anyway all right i got something from andrew here yeah yeah andrew says starting with mac os 14 AKA Sonoma open windows hide when I click the desktop. This was driving me bonkers. A bit of Google foo solved the problem. If you want to turn this off, you can head to system settings, go to doc or desktop and doc rather, and scroll down to find click wallpaper to reveal desktop option. Set this to only in stage manager instead of new, the new default of always.
Yeah. Yeah, this one, when Sonoma hit and my company upgraded, there were so many angry people about this feature. I don't know why it's on by default. I left it on just cause I wanted to learn kind of the new thing and it hasn't bothered me too much. Every once in a while I'll have a misclick, but yeah, if it's driving you crazy. Good. That's a good tip. It is. And I'm, I'm looking here.
This came from our discord and I will, I will find the, the, the thread and link to it because someone, and I can't off the top of my head, I can't remember who wrote an Apple script to go and just do this. So you don't even have, you can just run this as part of your, I'm setting up a new Mac thing and off you go. So yeah, pretty good stuff. Pretty good stuff. I like it. I still have it on on mine occasionally. I don't know if I actually like it. I know I occasionally do it.
This might be a thing to turn off. Hey, I don't know how useful it is. I've forever used the spotlight key, you know, or not spotlight key. What do you call it? Oh, the thing at the top, F3 or whatever it is. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Yes yeah it's command f3 does exactly the same thing if if you're using um mission i can't remember what that was called yeah is it mission is it mission control i think so yeah the thing that has all the different options i can't remember what it's i want to call we're going to call it mission control for now even if we're wrong how's that sound i think that's right yeah All right.
Uh, great. And, and thank you, Brian, for giving me the link, uh, so that I can put that in the link to the discord chat. So I can put that in the show notes and I can, I can thank the person who did it. It was Tennessee Papa who, uh, wrote the little, actually it wasn't, it was a shell script, not an Apple script, but, um, regardless of that, it, it works just the same. So yeah. Yeah. And Dave, you're right. It is, it is mission control. So it's the mission control shortcuts. Sweet. Right.
Yes. Right. Right. Right. All right. Shall we go, Pete? How about I go to Jim? Let's do it. Yeah. So Jim writes in, and thank you, Jim, for confusing this pre-show, but we got it worked out. He writes, Dave, Pete, and Adam, this counts as a G. That is a helpful quick tip. If you do a search in Spotlight or a file, the dialog appears that allows you to click on the file to open it. I finally discovered how to see where the file is. Hold down the command key.
Preview the icon changes. The preview icon changes to the finder icon, and the dialog shows the path to the file. Clicking on the file then opens the folder. I can't tell you how long I've been grumbling about this because it would be too embarrassing. So we'll just guess that it's been a long time, Jim. Thanks for all you do, signed, Jim. So we were doing it. We were looking for it in finder search, not spotlight search. So that's important. Spotlight search is key.
Then you hold down the command key. Yeah. I also want to point out, it seems to be, at least for me, only the top result, if the top result is like an app or a folder, it's only the first result. Okay. Okay. But because initially he had said a Finder search, I was looking around and playing around in Finder, and I wanted to bring up to folks, no longer talking about Spotlight, we're talking about Finder now.
In Finder, if you highlight a file and hold the option key and right-click on it, you can then see one of your menu items that comes up is Copy Path to Clipboard. And so you'll get the path to the file. You can then paste it in terminal or wherever you might need to paste it. That's how you get the path to where that file is. The other way to always see where a given file is is in Finder, you go to the View menu.
And you will see show path bar and finder, or if you haven't already shown hide path bar and finder, or option command P is your keyboard shortcut and finder to get that little path bar at the bottom of your finder window to show you where each file is residing upon thy hard drive. Yeah, I have that on. Well, not by default because it's not by default. But all the time, if you got to want to know where that is, always. I want to know where it is. Always.
I always want that at the bottom of my finder thing. And in that little path bar, you can click on folders there to go to them in the little breadcrumbs. So you can, like, if your thing is, you know, four folders deep, you can click on any one of those folders and it'll just bring you there in the little path bar. Yeah. Okay. I got to back up now because in comments on YouTube, George asks, isn't that expose? Oh, mission control. George, we decided it was called Mission Control no matter
what, whether that was correct or not. George, you're wrong. You're wrong, George. George is just also correct. Well, hold on. I will tell you this. Maybe that's what it was called. I mean, I think he's right in terms of that's what it was called originally. Currently in Mac OS, what are we on now? Sonoma? 15. Sayonara? Wait, no. What are we on? We're on 14. Sorry. We're on 14. Yeah, Sonoma. So currently in Mac OS Sonoma. When I go to settings or system settings, what are we calling it now?
System settings, desktop and dock, and scroll all the way down, those settings are under the section called mission control. Here's something interesting. I searched in settings for expose and desktop and dock came up. So the metadata, you know, somebody has tagged this as expose. Yeah.
Yeah. Just don't search for expose in Google. you may not like your results yeah maybe that's why they they changed it you know, should i expose my mac or should i mission control it i don't know yeah yeah yeah they've got everything screwy because like again i think some of the settings for spaces are in here so i don't know i guess maybe all that stuff is that's maybe it's expose but it's part of mission control, right oh yeah could be yeah yeah yeah could be could be in in going if
we're going to go back in time here the the wall the clicking on the desktop hides everything but your wallpaper thing i wish i could have that be a command click so that it doesn't happen accidentally but if i could command click on my desktop and have it all go away like i'll take that and you know what i I probably, there's probably a way to rig all that up. We probably can. Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it.
I'm not going to think too hard. R.N. Doug says, I came across this tip on Mastodon. If you double tap and hold on a map, you can zoom in and out by sliding your finger or thumb up and down on the screen. So this is on your iPhone. Yeah. Uh, you double tap and then hold on the map and then you have zoom controls with one hand, really one finger or one thumb. This works for Apple maps, Google maps, my radar, and even the map in Apple weather.
So it's possible that it works on any app that has maps. So this is clearly part of the Apple frame map displaying framework that, you know, is inherited by lots and lots of different apps. Also, the point of the double tap is where the zoom will be centered, which is kind of cool. You can also just do a double tap and the map will zoom in a bit.
I think that one is more commonly known. Also, I just today realized that you can double tap a zoomed Safari page to quickly return to the default magnification level. Thank you for all those tips, R.N. Doug. Love that. Love it. Tip within a tip within a tip. A tip within a tip within a tip. Yep. Yep. Just don't expose your tips. All right. Should I wrap quick tips up with Mark? Please. Please do so. Please. Mark says, I often have many tabs open in Safari and often with a YouTube video playing.
If I get a phone call or I need to mute the sound on the video, I used to have to find the tab to stop the sound.
I just noticed if you click on the little blue speaker in the address bar, it will mute the sound regardless of what tab is open hope this saves everyone a few mouse clicks and movement yeah that's a handy tip for sure i often forget that that's there but yeah if you just if you're playing a youtube video in a tab you will see that little icon in your in your bar in safari yeah yeah yeah that's that's one of those that i forget about it all the time but yes.
I hope you locate which one it is too. I also wish, I'm torn on this. Do you guys have your phone calls ring on your Mac? I do, but I probably should turn it off because I never, well, I like to use that feature to dismiss phone calls, like spam calls, because that way I don't have to pick up my phone. And especially it's more handy now Now that I use my phone as my camera through Continuity Camera, so often I can't get to my phone, which is ringing. So now it's handy to just do it there.
Yeah, I can see who's calling and all those other things. I, I, um, I do have it ring on my Mac. It gets in the way. Sometimes I'd like to initiate an outbound call from my Mac, which is why I leave that feature on. Because if I turned it off, then I couldn't do that. I don't think, although I should test that theory. Maybe, maybe, I don't, yeah, I don't know. Um, but I have it on, but it's always, there's always so much going on.
It's like, well, I want to pause my music, but now the pause controls don't work because the, the, the phone ringing thing is modal and it's a whole thing. And it's like, no, I just, I like, I want to go, I'm going to answer on my phone, but I want to pause on my Mac, but I can't pause music on my Mac right now because otherwise it'll answer on my Mac. And that's not what I want. Right. It's a thing. Wait, you can't.
Go ahead. uh so again for all of for all of these things like i was thinking like the mute thing and now you're mentioning the pause thing do you guys not use your keyboard that's what i'm saying i my keyboard when i'm when there is a call coming in on my mac if i hit the play pause button on my keyboard it does yeah the f8 thing it does not pause my music and this could be related to the third-party keyboard that i have like i i'm not sure but it's it's always this
like now i have to go into this weird like 14 step mode it's like okay well if i dismiss the call no so i have to answer the call first and then very quickly like start clicking so that people can't hear you know whatever i'm listening to is like the call begins not that that's a terrible thing or anything but But, you know, it's like, I don't know, it's, it's a whole, it's a whole thing. So, uh, yeah, yeah. My other question, Dave was, you said you like to initiate calls on your Mac sometimes.
Do you use contacts to do that? Is that how you do it? Um, yeah. Yeah, I'll use contacts or I'll just launch the FaceTime app and and initiate a call from there. Yeah. Yeah. But I need to test because I don't I always assumed. But now that we're having this conversation, I may have assumed incorrectly that that feature that lets you turn on calls on your Mac, which is what's it called?
It's it's part of continuity, right? calls on other devices allow calls on other devices it's in settings phone calls on other devices and you can allow calls on and then it lists all of your devices and you choose which ones you want to allow it on but i the way it's described is i believe that if i turn that off i can't even initiate calls on those devices but i could be wrong because it says use your iphone cellular account to make and receive calls on devices
signed into icloud and then and then you You have, you know, the little thing. So I guess I just need to test it. I need to turn that off for one of my Macs and then try and initiate a call with it. And if that works, then that's what I'll leave it on. But the description says that won't work. That's not always the case, is it? So, you know. Yeah. All right, folks, if you ever felt like your inbox is a carnival of ads and
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Your inbox will thank you. And I'm going to thank Fastmail. Thanks Fastmail for sponsoring this episode. So adam has a question for gentlemen but i think we can try to answer this one anyway we'll try yes okay he says gentlemen i have an odd issue maybe you can help me out i have a plex server on a 2013 mac pro running mac os monterey overkill i know but it's what i have the library and its backups reside on a number of external USB drives.
I recently moved a fair amount of files, four to five terabytes or so, from one drive to the other drives, but the source drive's free space indication hasn't changed. There was 354 gigabytes free when I started moving files off, and as shown in the attached screenshot, you can see that, A 12TB drive with just over 6TB of files on it reports the same 354GB free. I've exposed hidden files, but I don't see any evidence of the files I deleted or anything else taking up that space.
I don't want to test the drive by dragging 400GB of files from one drive to the other, nor do I have 6TB of free space to copy the files over to allow me to reformat it and copy them back. Other programs like Disk Inventory X report the same. Any thoughts on how I can get the finder to display the correct amount of free space? Yeah, my guess is that this is yet again snapshots, the APFS snapshots coming into play. The good news is that Disk Utility now will show these to you and let you manage
them. Carbon Copy Cloner will also do it. Carbon Copy Cloner was the first app that let us do this. And then eventually they added the functionality to Disk Utility. But if you launch Disk Utility and go to a volume, it will show you, you know, at the top, it shows you, you know, the disk icon and the name of the disk and the size and, you know, how much space is free and all that stuff. And then at the bottom, it will list APFS snapshots. Give it a minute for this list to populate.
It will appear blank at first and it'll have a little churning thing that's not super obvious, but it's churning. And then once it comes up, you can sort these by generally, I would say, sort by size. And, you know, you can click on them and manage them, including deleting them from here. That's probably what it is. And my guess is the way it's supposed to work is if you were to put more stuff on there, it would expire out those snapshots over time and not really use that space. I think.
I mean, I know why the finder is reporting it the way that it is. I wonder if the finder should either report free space plus the space being used for snapshots because that is purgeable. Or if it should report two figures, you know, there's actually this amount, but here's the amount taken up by snapshots. I don't know. It would take it. The time that it takes for it to calculate the snapshots when you launch disk utility is the same amount of time it would take for it to calculate that.
So maybe that's why they're not doing it, but doesn't, doesn't, if you do a get info on a hard drive, doesn't it give you the available space and then in next to it show how much is purgeable? Um, I, it, I, I would believe you if I were inclined to do such a thing, but I don't.
Yeah i'm looking at it now i just looked at my hard drive so my hard drive says 196.1 gigabytes available 154.04 purgeable oh that's available not used yeah that's interesting yeah, so maybe i'm wrong i am maybe that's a different number i don't yeah i don't know that's a it's a I'm looking here. Yeah, I am seeing 41.41 purgeable on mine. But that's available. So, yeah, that's maybe something different. I'm going to launch Disk Utility. At the risk of breaking everything, I'm looking here.
And if I look at the data volume... Wait, why am I not seeing... Now I'm not seeing this in Disk Utility on this computer. I'm not getting to see all of my snapshots. Is there something that I've done on my other computer? Show APFS snapshots. Ah, so an important thing. This is not turned on by default. When you launch Disk Utility, you need to go to the View menu and choose Show APFS Snapshots. Otherwise, I lied.
It won't show them to you. uh if i'm adding things up here my what did i say 41.41 purgeable my snapshots on this are taking up six nine eleven maybe 12 gigs so i don't know what that 41.41 purgeable means but that's fun so this is another thing that's that came up on my show quite a bit where people would get really concerned about available space and i i get why right it makes sense like you want to know how much free space do i actually have available on my
drive right but at the end of the day. Does it i mean that space is available right it's it can be used regardless of whether the finder's showing it or not right yes like those snapshots aren't gonna like prevent you from using that available free space that you have no it will purge them uh in theory as long as everything's working the way that it's supposed to yes that's that's right yeah yeah so i mean.
It's annoying that we don't have a good view into this i agree with that but at the same time just like this is another one of those things i don't know i i think maybe it's come with age like i've I've just gotten to the thing like, okay, Apple just does weird stuff. And as long as I can store my stuff and I'm not getting an out of disk storage space message, I really don't care. Just trust it.
And there is some discussion in our live Discord chat that this may not be available in disk utility in Monterey. And I believe that's correct. I think it, which is what is being run on Adam's Mac Pro.
Yeah so carbon copy cloner would be the utility to see these then for for that uh i i don't know that there was any other utility that showed these to us i mean you can do it with the command line i know the disk util from the command line will show them to you but that's that's more trouble and it's worth in my maybe clean my mac possibly possibly yeah, Yeah, yeah. I wonder if DaisyDisk or any of those utilities send to, but no.
Yeah, go ahead, Pete. So you're saying it will delete that snapshot as necessary to give you the space, or it should. Is it safe to delete those snapshots? Yeah. I've done it before where I've manually deleted snapshots. Okay. And, you know, the question is, well, you know, will you want whatever data it is you're about to delete in the future? And I, you know, that, that's like for the, for the listener to decide, you know? Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, one other thought came to mind when I first started reading this, he was talking about it being a USB drive. And before I even got to the rest of the question, I went, oh, I know what the problem is. Of course it wasn't, had nothing to do with it. But a reminder to folks.
If you delete a file on a thumb drive or a SD card or a USB speed drive if you don't empty the trash os does not mac os does not free up that space for you it's sitting there in the trash ready to go so yes um yes so yes so empty your trash which takes us to a i should have done that right before the cool stuff found in the show yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah yeah yeah you're right yeah yeah emptying the trash is a good one go ahead yeah again clean my mac x will let
you empty all of your trash bins it has a bunch of maintenance utilities and i just checked including one of their maintenance utilities is free up purgeable space but i think that will only be your main drive i'm not sure it'll do like externals okay what's happening in this case okay all right i'm not positive yeah yeah right because i only have i only have one drive on my thing right now but got it got it got it um gary chimed in on a conversation we were having in mac ecap 1045 about whether
or not eight gigs is enough uh unified memory on today's apple silicon max and gary says uh i have to uh. For people using a DSLR camera and Adobe products, the answer is that 8 gigs is not enough. Especially if your camera is making you money, the ROI on an upgrade will be weeks, if not days. I'm no longer a pro, but I still frequently use my DSLR and Lightroom and Photoshop. About 18 months ago, I replaced my 2014 iMac with an M2 Mac Mini with 8 gigs of unified memory.
Foolishly, I ignored a fundamental photography truth, which is you can never have enough RAM to satisfy Adobe software. Things were good at first, but as Adobe has introduced more AI features, which are amazing, the software has gotten even more RAM hungry with just eight gigs of RAM. Simply scrolling through pictures in Lightroom was frustratingly slow.
Eventually I found myself shutting down all my other software, rebooting, and then starting The Adobe apps rinse and repeat every time I wanted to do any photo editing. Finally, a few months ago, the CFO said I could throw money at the problem. I sold the eight gig mini and replaced it with a 24 gig mini and all is well. My, uh, my boss said that her ROI is that I've stopped complaining or the CFO said that her ROI is that I've stopped complaining.
So that this is interesting to hear because most of the comments that we've gotten about Yeah, I have eight gigs on my whatever, and it's totally fine. I never even noticed that it's an issue. Interesting that at least Adobe software is wanting more real RAM than whatever virtualized scenario would be necessary. Yeah, I mean, I would argue if you're using Photoshop or Lightroom or any what I would consider to be pro level app, and I think we did talk about that, even if you're a casual consumer,
right, then yeah, that holds true. True. I mean, you're in essence a consumer pro or pro, and you're probably going to care more about that stuff. I think the caveat on the eight gigs is if you're just doing regular stuff and occasionally editing your, you know, family vacation photos in something real light, you're doing light editing, not heavy, you know, like that sort of thing, you're going to be fine. But yeah, this is a great point for Gary to bring up, especially I love that comment.
You know, if you rely on it to make money, absolutely. You should be spending the money for the best tools. I mean, that's a general argument across the board. Whatever you do in life, if you're earning a living off it, like when you're a podcaster, right? And you kind of level up, you start with something, some gear, and you can get in really, really cheap.
But once you get to a certain point, you know, you're spending hundreds of dollars on maybe a microphone you're spending, and you will get that value immediately back. Right? So right tools, right job. I mean, I mean, this is just across the board. So, yeah, absolutely. If you're earning a living off of it or it's really important to you, yeah, you should be getting the best tools you can get. Always. Always. Always. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Yep. All right. Shall we move on to Scott here, Pete?
We shall do so at this time. Scott writes in, I am looking for Bluetooth speakers with a particular set of features and maybe you can point me in the right direction. This will be used in a camper van that is very well insulated. Most of the walls and the ceiling are sound absorbing cloth over foam over wood insulate. To be used for audiobooks, podcasts, and quiet music like classical jazz. Doesn't need to be big volume. Does need clear sound when quiet.
Does not need huge bass. And we would like to keep the cost under $100. The other characteristics are what is hard to search for and are not optional. It needs to be USB rechargeable, table stakes, but also needs to be a hard off switch and or the ability to play when the battery is dead when plugged into USB power because it will be used very intermittently and stored for weeks at a time. Bonus for USB-C.
Needs to be easily paired with either of two phones without having to do any complicated steps to switch between them. The girlfriend just wants to be able to connect it and play her yoga podcast, even if I was playing something from my phone the night before. Bonus if it has a hard jack for the old iPod that we have. And if the girlfriend's not listening to Matt GeekGab, I say don't get her a speaker. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. This got dark fast.
Wow. All right. You know, everybody should be listening to us. I agree. Just ask us. I agree. Just share it, though. Maybe play this while she's doing the yoga and see how that works out for you. The speaker. No, don't do that. Okay. Get a speaker with soft padding on it so when it bounces off your head. Yeah. Fair. I travel with a JBL Flip 6, and older versions of the Flip also work great. It does charge with USB-C.
This retails, it's a little out of your stated under $100 range, at least on the retail price. It retails for $130, but occasionally it appears lower than that. I've seen it in that $99 range from time to time.
It can totally fill a room with sound and I think it checks all your boxes I easily move it I was just using it this past week because we were traveling and I move it between my iPhone my iPad and my MacBook Air with ease it's it you know I just press the Bluetooth button on it and choose it and sometimes I don't even have to do that I just choose it from my device I think it remembers two devices if I'm not mistaken so you can just sort of bounce between two things really easily,
as far as whether or not. It will play with a dead battery when USB power is applied. I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know the answer to your concern. And it is that you will not have a concern. I it the only time I use this speaker is for travel. And so that means it not only goes weeks at a time. It goes months at a time without being plugged in or turned on. And I just grab it and throw it in my suitcase and off I go. And then I turn it on in the room.
I think I used it in my room at Mac stock. I definitely didn't charge it there. I plugged it in or not. Well, I did. I turned it on this week when Lisa and I were down in, in Connecticut is like we were unpacking and stuff just to get some music going. And it was after that, that I looked, it's got like a little, you know, meter on the side about the battery level. And it was like, ah, it's down to like, looks like maybe 30%. I'll plug it in.
And I did, but that might be the first time that I've plugged it in, in six or eight months. So it, it holds a charge for a very long time.
So yeah i and it sounds great that the jbl speakers and they aren't their their sound profile is not the super heavy overdone bass or anything like that it's clear sound it they do have bass radiators in them the flips do so you can get like a what i would call a well-balanced sound it doesn't sound tinny doesn't sound muddy it's a well-balanced sound and and it'll fill a room and then it has party boost mode or whatever they're calling it now they keep changing the name
of the mode but where you can take multiple jbl speakers they don't have to be exactly the same speaker as long as they support the same mode you can link them together and have sound in sync coming out of various bluetooth speakers it's actually pretty cool so that's yeah that's what i would that that's what i use and and i think it checks all your boxes scott. And I've got one, too, that I think does come in under the price.
Now, it may not be as big, but I'm going to turn my background off here so you can show it. I've got a JBL Go 3. There's the other side of it. It's a Go 3. Yep. Bluetooth works great on it, and it is USB-C. You can toss it in the swimming pool if you need to. It is waterproof, so that's kind of cool. It'll lay flat on its back. It'll stand on its side, so it's got rubber on the back, rubber on the bottom. And I've got to say, I've been very happy with the sound.
I just clipped this onto a carabiner on my backpack and travel all over the world with it and use it, use it that way. And I will add, uh, another. And it's 50 bucks on Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I had another one that's usually 119. It's occasionally on sale for about 60 at Best Buy. It's about the size of a softball boom, something maybe.
I don't remember it and I can't find it. I misplaced it in the move and it hasn't resurfaced yet it'll come back yeah yeah when it does uh that'll be but that was also uh great but that's a micro usb instead of usbc charger i've been very happy with this uh i use this uh even in the cockpit when we've got a long turn of an hour or more and nothing to do yep i'll throw this up on the dashboard and way the the way the window works and the the sound echoes off or comes off the window
and focuses it into the flight deck it's really nice sound Oh, nice. And I always ask the guys I'm with, who like rock or country, and there's my other cool stuff found here. I use Sirius XM for...
It's the top 1000 classic rock and the top 1000 country songs and they just start counting from a thousand down to one over and over and over again they keep going so it's a great commercial free station and for five or six bucks a month you can get your serious subscription and play your music all over the world but that's yeah sorry took you down a rabbit hole we didn't plan one one feature just i didn't see it on that one pete that i know was mentioned does
it have the The three and a three and a half inch ox. No, that one doesn't. Neither one of these do. And I, I think that's the difference between being waterproof and not is. Sure. The ox jack. Yeah. Yeah. Or the lack thereof. Yeah. So. Yeah. And while he didn't ask for waterproof, that's, that's a key extra feature. Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Especially if it's going to be in a camper. Yep.
Yep. Yeah. But the battery life on this is also amazing. I think I probably get 10 or 12 hours out of a charge of playtime. That's about what they say you should get on, on both of the speakers we've mentioned. Yeah, no, and you're right. Those go, the, the go three is also a great sounding speaker. J JBL. I've really come to like their, their sound profile in their sort of portable Bluetooth speakers, especially they, they, they do it right.
They know, like they have people there that care about what things sound like and it, it shows. Yeah. So, yep. Yep.
Hey, last episode oh go ahead adam did you have something to no no i just said cool and last episode we uh talked about we shared a note i believe it was from jeffrey who uh was lamenting that his watch wasn't playing all his songs and also that even the songs it would play he could not get it to shuffle we got notes from so many of you thank you thank you thank you um that apple in fact still has the shuffle repeat repeat and auto play controls and they were
relocated in a recent watch os update and as listener chris says uh as many of you did it took me a while to find them after starting a song tap the three dots in the upper right corner then tap playing next now Now you will see the three buttons along the top shuffle. Repeat and autoplay. That's where these are hidden now. So tap the three dots in the upper right corner that appear while something is playing, then tap playing next.
So it's a two tap thing to get there. And then a third one to choose shuffle or not shuffle for those like Chris says, who asked what is autoplay? That's the functionality where the app adds music to the end of the queue that is similar to what you're currently playing. That's actually really good to know. I don't know that I understood that definition. Thank you for that, Chris and everybody. Yeah, great stuff.
Yeah yeah would have never found that same yeah and it sounds like lots of people didn't which is why i love this show it's awesome yep buried ui all right should we wrap up with nick let's do a question about about mesh six nick says hello i'm trying to choose between the ero pro 6e mesh system and the deco xe 75 pro wondering which one you would recommend and whether you have any privacy concerns for either of them so like easy question to answer because neither one is
wrong um they're both fantastic uh the the price points on them are sort of the first thing to look at because the three pack of the deco xe 75 pros are 300 bucks on amazon right now and a three pack of the Eero Pro 6Es are 500 bucks on Amazon right now. And so that kind of makes, if price is a concern, which I know it is for almost all of us, almost all of the time, then the Decos would be certainly ones to consider. I've used both the Eero and the Deco. They both work great.
They are fundamentally different approaches to how one's Wi-Fi is managed. Eero is strictly cloud-managed. Deco is kind of sort of cloud-managed. Like, it can be cloud-managed, but it's like it will also talk locally to it in a way that's a little different from the Eero. The biggest reason for the price delta between Eero and Deco is, and it has been explained, I have gotten the same explanation from both the Eero folks and the TP-Link folks, and it is economies of scale.
Well, actually, right now, the Eeros are 550, so they're even a little bit more for the three-pack of the 60s. But, you know, TP link makes so many different things and they have such huge factories that they can build quality stuff at a cost where, you know, their retail price is less than, than at least at the time this was explained.
I don't know if this is still true today, but, you know, 18 months ago when all this was explained to me, the retail costs that you and I would pay for a TP-Link, you know, mesh like this is less than Eero's manufacturing build cost on the ones that they sell, which is why they have to sell them for more than that. So, um, but yeah, they're both good. I really, the Eero makes things so easy, but so does the TP.
Like I've, I've always said, you know, if you've heard me talk about mesh in the past, the Eero is always my first recommendation because it's just so easy. And then TP link, the Deco is, is a very, very close number two. So, um, I, yeah, I, yeah, that's, that's what I got. Yep. I agree with you, I think, almost 100%. It's funny, I locked in on Orbi a while back, but dang, it's expensive. But I love it, too. But I think Eero's kind of that nice balance.
I don't think it's as expensive as the Orbi system, right? It depends. Let's look. Look, I mean, the Orbeez, the Orbee always recommends you get one mesh unit less than everyone else. Like if Eero or like TP-Link are saying, you know, you need three for this size home, Netgear will say you need two. Whether that's true or not is a whole thing. But yeah, you're right. Right. A tri-pack, a three-pack of the Orbi 6E is $1,400 on Amazon. So, yeah, very expensive. However. Yeah, exactly.
However, this is all quad-band Wi-Fi 6E. So you are getting more when you pay more. When you buy the Orbi, you are getting better Wi-Fi, better and more Wi-Fi radios than you are with the other ones. The rest are tri-band. These are quad-band. So there is a difference there that can make a huge difference. If you need to go very long distances of Wi-Fi backhaul, Orbi has always been the one that I go with.
Okay. That's probably why, you know, back to our original conversation when I told you, like, in my office, that's what I use. I use Wi-Fi backhaul. And you were surprised that we do our streaming. And I very rarely have issues. Yeah. Very, very rarely. Yeah. So there you go. So that's, that's the, um. Yep. Yep. Yep. I'm, I'm, but not cheap fumbling here because I, you are now reminding me again that we're doing this and relying on long distance wifi backhaul every time we do the show.
But, but that like, and that just gives me the heebie jeebies. However, like to your point, and I'll knock on wood just, just because it, it has never been a problem.
So uh you know that's maybe clearly i don't need to worry about this but i but i do anyway but yeah no that's the anyway i do anyway but yes that the the orbeez are are i don't want to say over-engineered they are engineered to be what someone in your scenario absolutely needs yes yeah yeah yeah all right sweet should we do uh cool stuff found uh i do want to do cool stuff found first i want to thank all of our premium listeners who
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All right, we got one from Randy. And it's just a playful little thing you can do with your trash. It's called Banana Bin and Bananabin.app.
We'll have, obviously, the link in the show notes. but adds a third state to your mac os trash bin where i think if you leave stuff in there for a while or maybe i think it's over time right then it starts adding flies start showing up on your yeah on your trash yeah it reminds me a little bit of the old days when we could do the grouch which was my favorite back in mac os i think was six and seven where we could actually edit things with like resident and that sort of thing
and somebody made a little app that would put oscar the grouch in your trash he'd pop up you know when the trash was full and then when you emptied it he would sing his i love trash song i wish that would come back but this is a this is a nice little option yeah i guess if you like flies i don't know it's fun i mean these flies are like moving around they're flying around i love it that's great um something Something happened.
Well, several things happened when we were at Mac stock, but one of the things that happened at Mac stock was right after, or as I checked in, they, you know, did all the normal things. And then they confirmed my mobile phone number and they're like, great, you're going to get a text from us. us, feel free to reply to that text with anything you need while you are here. And I wanted an extra blanket for my bed, so I just texted him one night,
but I did it like I thought about it while I was while we were at dinner. I was like, oh, right. And they replied right away. And there were a couple of other things I needed to actually we changed our our checkout date. And I think both you and I did that via the text thing. And I asked for a late checkout and was able to do that. It was fantastic. And it's great for them too, because it, it allows all of these things to happen asynchronously so that they can be more efficient with
it. You get to be more efficient. It was great. And so I was like, man, every hotel should do this. I stayed a lot of Marriott's. I was at a bunch of Marriott's this week. I needed an extra blanket and I thought, wait a minute. So I launched the Marriott app. Guess what they have in there for your current stay away for you to text with the front desk and it works out great. I, it, it's exactly the same. It all works fine.
So if if if you are a reminder to simply look for these features in either from your hotel, if they're going to text you like like the holiday ended in Crystal Lake or Marriott, it's right there in the app. So. I wish Apple's like little chat feature, corporate chat feature thing was used more widely. Cause when that pops up for like customer service, it's always really, really good. Like that experience is really, really good. It just feels like a lot of companies
didn't never opted in. Like it never really went anywhere. I think it was a great idea of it. It works great with Apple support. And I get it with the airlines too. I think JetBlue and Delta both use the Apple iMessage support as an option. And I, I love that too. So Pete, you probably know all this cause you, you travel all the time. So, and, and I, I'm going to need you to unmute though, before you start sharing any advice with us, Pete.
So, um, sometime, someday people, there it is. Yeah, I got it. I haven't used it with, uh, with that when I travel, because generally speaking, we check in under a company thing. So it's not my, uh, Bonvoy or something. So that, that's a little different. Um, but when I travel personally, I, I have not known of this until Crystal Lake Holiday Inn was the first one. Uh, I will use it with Marriott. We're going on vacation in about a week and a half.
And so I'll use it there. The other thing that, uh, that I wish they would do a better job of, and it's starting to come online more and more is being able to use your phone as your room key. Yes. So some hotels are doing that and that works out well. And that way you don't accidentally put your room key in your pocket with your phone and then have to go to the desk and ask them to recharge it. Right. Well, a lot of the room keys now are NFC.
And so the, the magnets and all that stuff don't, yeah, don't cause a problem, but yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yep. But that's always frustrating. Another thing. So you have to go to your desk. Yeah. I was going to say, so you have to go down to the desk in a hoodie. In a hoodie and maybe nothing else. In the middle of the night. In the middle of the night. Yep. Don't lock your key in the room in the middle of the night, folks. It's not the best. Yep.
But I will say you haven't lived until you've walked through the hotel lobby at 2.36 in the morning wearing nothing but a hoodie. So there's that. Thank goodness for the hoodie. Another thing I noticed while traveling, and it's an app I've used for a while, and they added a feature for me. So Evgeny, I am so apologetic for how I might mispronounce your name, Evgeny.
So Evgeny Chirpake, C-H-E-R-P-A-K-E dot com, there's all the links in the show notes, makes an app that we've talked about on this show over the years called Remote. And it is remote for Mac. You install an app on your Mac, and then you also install the app on your iPhone, and it lets you remote control things on your Mac like the TV app, the Plex app, things like that.
It was primarily built by Evgeny for himself because he was using a Mac Mini as his interface to his TV, as his set-top box, if you will, and wanted a remote. And he says, I'm lazy. I don't want to get out of bed. And I'm like, yeah, same. And so this app exists where I would want to use it most frequently is hotel rooms. The problem is. Most hotel networks don't allow Wi-Fi devices to see other Wi-Fi devices.
And this is a good thing because it would mean that all of the guests at the hotel could just see everybody. And you certainly could set up your own little network and do your own thing. But I talked to Evgeny. I'm like, well, what about like some kind of peer to peer thing where it uses even Bluetooth? Because like that would be enough for just like this will also do screen sharing
and all kinds of things. Bluetooth might be terrible for that, but just for sending play, pause, skip, whatever, it should work great. And so that feature is in there now and I have used it and it works amazingly well. We were able to watch stuff and pause when we wanted to pause on my phone.
One uh feature in the app or one setting that i recommend turning on is the keep your iphone awake because the repairing of the whole you know bluetooth between the apps thing takes a little bit of time and when you want to pause you want to pause and presumably if you're sitting there in the hotel you're probably going to charge your phone soon so leaving the phone awake for an hour while you're watching a movie or whatever is no problem so you know it doesn't burn a ton of battery leaving
the screen on so remote for mac i will put all of the the links in the show notes and yeah it works amazingly well it's good stuff. Yep. Yep. Yep. Cool. Go. Yeah. What? Yes. No, I was just saying that that's cool. Yeah, it is. It's, um, it was, this was the first time I was able to use the peer-to-peer features and I was super stoked. I'm like, wait, wait, I have an answer for this.
It's a good reminder, too, that we're lucky, I think, in the Mac community, because our developer community is generally awesome, I've found. And if you have an idea or something for a feature, I mean, don't pester your developers, but share stuff. If you think of something, yeah.
And most of them are very responsive and receptive to either suggestions you know always be kind you know don't don't be angry about things but yeah if you're kind i think a lot of developers are very responsive and receptive and if it's a good idea and they can do it they might add the feature my only uh issue with this was that i waited years to suggest it i would you know it's the kind of thing i get to my hotel room it's like ah crap it doesn't work and then you just sort of deal
because it's it's presumably this is now going going to be relaxing time like where i'm going to watch a movie or something it's like i don't want to get out my laptop and write an email to the developer and so it took me years to remember.
To suggest this to him and and to your point yes of course i was kind it was it was hey i've had this idea i keep meaning to share here's the idea what do you think about it and he was like ah wait i've been i have been thinking about this you know but yeah like don't don't it it the the corollary to be to being kind or the, this goes along with being kind is don't be shy, like be kind and share these ideas because the developers, you know,
he developed this app for himself and he has his own use cases. And if he doesn't have yours, he can't even know about what you would want to decide whether or not to put it in the app. And so, yeah, there you go. Yeah, it's pretty good. Uh, and support your, Your local developers, or your, not local, your indie developers. Support all the developers. I mean, apps. Yeah. Yeah. After, of course, becoming a premium Mac geek ad member. There you go. Attaboy.
In our Discord, Randy asked, does anybody have a good alternative to layout from Instagram? I just want a free and simple collage maker. And Enrico shared a cool stuff found called Diptych, D-I-P-T-I-C. It says you get some more preset layouts, but still lots of room to customize position, cropping, and some filtering capabilities are built in. And it's at diptychapp.com, which of course now is linked in the show notes. Good stuff. Yep. I've used it. It's great. Awesome. Awesome.
Um, I have one last one that I'm super excited about because I'm a set up subscriber. Uh, do you guys know what headway is? Have you ever used this app? That's new, like an audio book, uh, thing in it. Kind of. Have you ever used, you've probably seen ads for Blinkist. Blinkist and headway are very similar. They take, um, business books, self-help books, generally nonfiction. And create summaries of them so that you can read Rich Dad Poor Dad. Audio CliffsNotes.
Yeah, right, Audio CliffsNotes, right. Well, I mean, they can play them, but you can just read them. And so you can read Rich Dad Poor Dad in 15 minutes while you launch instead of it taking you, whatever, four hours or three hours.
I mean, it's not that long of a book. But things like that are in there, and uh i know blinkist has had carplay support for a while headway when i first looked at it six months ago did not and i was like oh but this is where i would want this well i am not sure when they added it but it now has carplay support and it's awesome because i can go back and forth from reading a little headway you know summary on my phone uh during while i'm eating my lunch and then if i get in the car i can just
resume it from there and there is a carplay app for it and it's seamless it works so well and it's not it's actual people reading these things it's not using like speech to text or text to speech kind of thing it's which which would also have been fine like i would have been fine with that but it's people reading them so yeah yeah good stuff and it is part of setup even though it's an ios app there's a way to authenticate your setup with headway and all that stuff. So yeah, fun, fun.
We got anything else? Go ahead. Well, okay. So do you have to. I get that it's like book content. Is there like a subscription purchase thing that you have to be subscribed to? Well, yes. And if you're a Setapp subscriber, you already have it. Oh, it's included in the price. Yeah. Otherwise, you would subscribe directly through Headway. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it's cool. I'm going to have to check that out. Absolutely. Yes. It's great.
I just figured there'd be like an additional like service subscription cost, you know, on top of the app subscription cost but that's cool yeah yeah no it's i mean not yet so i'll let you know if that changes so yeah i i just i'm sometimes amazed at how economics work out especially with like set app and i'm glad you know that it's working for developers obviously so headway wouldn't do do the partnership or do it if if it wasn't of value to them right
so that's awesome yes i i agree yeah yeah yeah yeah yep and i'm gonna make sure it's well it's got to still be in set up because otherwise I couldn't get it. So yes, it's there. Yep. Yep. That's, that just becomes more and more of a value every day. I know it's crazy. It's crazy. I keep telling them they need all those individual. Yeah. I keep telling them they need to sponsor us and, and we're proving that they don't, cause we're going to promote them no matter what. So Why spend money?
Why spend the cow and the milk, man. It's the cow. Well, I would imagine, too, that that's what allows them to, like, continue the service is probably not spending as much on advertising so that they can put that back into what they're doing. That's fair. Yeah. Yes. And it like it's a great. And let me be clear. We will always promote just like we're doing with setup. We will always promote things that we like or that that you send in and that
you folks vouch for. Or like whether or not someone's paying us has no impact on that. Right. None whatsoever. It's there. There are two separate things. I mean, it's great when we have somebody, you know, I mean, like this episode, we got fast mail. It's great service. I would and do talk about it when it comes up in the content, regardless of whether they're a sponsor. Right. And the same obviously is true for set up. So I just wanted to say it.
I hope you don't mind, Dave. I'll remove it if you want, but I took the liberty of putting my referral link in the set app. Oh, there you go. So if you want to get a set app. Sure. I see how it is. And help Pilot Pete get a free $5 bump. There you go. Or a free month or whatever. Yeah. You get something out of it and I get something out of it. There you go. Yeah.
So cool well thanks for hanging out with us folks we have we have come we have come to the end yet again, happy birthday again Adam oh thank you thank you another trip around the sun that's it keep going round and round, thanks to cash fly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you go check out Pete's other show so there I was for aviation enthusiasts I do two other shows one called gig gab for Musicians, another called Business Brain for Entrepreneurs.
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Wow. We almost missed that. Woo. So close. So close. But we didn't miss it. And you want to know why we didn't miss it, Pete? It's because. Because we didn't get caught. That's why. Don't get me on a map. See you later.