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Why red light? | Red light for longevity with Dr.Zulia Frost (Part 1)

Jul 03, 202333 minEp. 223
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Photobiomodulation has long been a potent tool in the promotion of good health,  but now it is easier than ever to benefit from the healing power of light.  This is the first of four LLAMA podcast episodes exploring the benefits of red light therapy. Dr. Zulia Frost is a medical doctor and clinical director at Recharge Health, creators of a targeted red-light device, known as FlexBeam. Dr. Frost explains that the technology has many applications, including the treatment of sports injuries, therapy for age-related aches and pains and as way to help improve sleep. 

FlexBeam is not intended to diagnose, cure, or prevent specific diseases or medical conditions.

In this conversation we cover:

  • How to navigate the complexities of photobiomodulation
  • Dr. Frost shares her experience of recovery from a severe accident, and how it sparked her interest in creating the Flexbeam.
  • The impact of different parts of the light spectrum on our bodies. 
  • Why red and near-infrared light are the most researched forms of photobiomodulation
  • The intricate connection of our circadian rhythm with the light we're exposed to. 
  • The role of the hormone melatonin in managing our body's 24-hour cycle. 
  • A comparative discussion on lasers and LEDs 
  • Flexbeam, a user-friendly device that can be used on-the-go. How the the belt-like device targets joints, stimulating energy production, increasing oxygen binding, and reducing inflammation. 
  • Safety and the potential consequences of energy overdose.

Affiliation disclosure: This podcast receives a small commission when you use the code LLAMA for purchases from companies below which support our mission.   It helps to cover production costs and ensures that our interviews, sharing information about human longevity, remain free for all to listen. 
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The Benefits of Red Light Therapy

Peter Bowes

How can we benefit from exposing ourselves to more red light than we would normally experience during an average day ? Hello again and welcome to the Live Long and Master Aging podcast . I'm Peter Bowes . This is where we explore the science and stories behind human longevity . So what is red light ?

How does it affect our body clock , our circadian rhythm , the quality of our sleep And what about our ability to heal from injuries , the health of our joints and microbiome good health ? This is the first of four episodes to address those questions . There's a lot to cover and joining me is Dr Zulia Frost .

Dr Frost is a medical doctor and a clinical director and one of the co-founders at Recharge Health creators of a targeted red light device known as Flexbeam . She is an expert in photobiomodulation and we'll explain what that is in a moment . But first

Introducing Dr. Zulia Frost

, dr Frost , welcome to the Live Long and Master Aging podcast .

Dr. Zulia Frost

Thank you so much , Peter , for having me , and thank you for this opportunity to connect with the real people to explain the benefits of red light therapy and particularly Flexbeam .

Peter Bowes

Well , it's a delight to talk to you And , as I just referred to , there is a lot to cover and lots of implications for the benefits of red light therapy , which is at the heart of what we're talking about , and we are going to cover it over the next four weeks .

I'd like to start , though , by just talking about you for a little while and just really getting to the heart of your enthusiasm for this topic , and especially your enthusiasm for the technology .

It really started and , as I explained , you are a medical doctor , and this part of your career started with quite a difficult time for yourself personally , in a very serious accident .

Dr. Zulia Frost

Oh , yes , that's true . I basically had a chance to experience technology in action , being a patient not just being a doctor , but being a patient And at the time I already was working as a medical doctor and I loved technologies from the beginning .

But unfortunately I was involved in a very , very serious , deadly car crash And I was really , really broken , smashed into pieces my body .

And when you face such a tremendous challenge , not only you employ your historical knowledge of being a doctor , but you also employ literally every source of you know , every tool you have at your disposal to get yourself well , and I think for me at that time , i intuitively was drawn to red light therapy , without knowing , because I used to after the hospital

period time . I used to exercise a lot , but I wanted to do it in nature . You know I was running every morning at the sunrise and , almost like intuitively , you greet the sunrise , you know , you bow to sunrise and you absorb this healing red light .

At the time already , as I said , you know , i was young , so I healed myself fairly quickly , but I was left with a very debilitating pains And these pains were tremendous , like it was , you know , almost constantly And I'm not the person who would take medication for pain . I would like to sort it out in some natural way .

So , fortunately for my life , i discovered some technologies which can actually also my state of pain And in fact I fixed myself , and that was so big discovery for me , so I started to offer this to my patients , and then patients , of course .

Then I see how quickly and remarkably the patients would recover , and so I got myself on the path of wanting to give something to my patient to take home in the form of natural technology which assists natural healing . And that's how I end up eventually to working with recharge health and pioneering this new device called FlexBeam .

Peter Bowes

So how long ago was this ? Now I'm interested . What was the state of the technology that you actually used to help your recovery ? What was the state of the technology then ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

Well , i was around 30 years old , so it would be quite a few years ago , and , yes , at that time I was in Kazakhstan , used to be a part of the Soviet Union .

Generally speaking , physiotherapy was quite advanced , i would say for that time , and there were devices which physiotherapy used , including red light therapy , but UV lights , including electrical stimulation , those Russian steam devices , etc .

So , because I was always drawn to technology even I did my training in ultrasonic diagnostic at the time it was just coming to the market Only because I love it , i love the interaction , i love to use something which is tangible , in fact non-tangible , for inducing healing responses from the body . Yes , and I work particularly on myself .

I work with the interactive neurostimulation , which is a use of the electrical stimulation with my nervous system and that has a feedback . And then , of course , i start using lasers and then I start using the LED type of light therapy . You know some piezoelectric toys , you name it lots .

Photobiomodulation and impact on the Body

Peter Bowes

And I mentioned in the introduction that you are indeed an expert on photobiomodulation . Let's just get into the detail now and maybe start by explaining some of the terms . What exactly is that ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

Photobiomodulation is , of course , a big word . Basically it means you stimulate your body with light and that light has beneficial impacts on the body . But not just any light , it's a low-intensity light , because this field of medicine actually started in the previous century with the discoveries .

The first discoveries were lasers And , as you know , lasers could be really , really powerful . They could burn the tissue And at the beginning everybody was really careful around lasers .

But the discovery was that if you use that type of light at low intensities , you actually have photo-stimulating effect , so you stimulate with light cells of your body and the result of this stimulation actually helps to recover from a variety of conditions .

Peter Bowes

So red light we all experience , as you've implied . we all experience red light every day , and there's a cycle during the day , isn't there ? There's a very big difference between morning light , midday light and evening light as the sun goes down .

So I was wondering if you could just explain , perhaps in the most basic terms possible , the kind of light that we're exposed to during a normal day .

Dr. Zulia Frost

I think it was to mention that sunlight encompasses all wavelengths of light , so you could see visual spectrum . So in the visual spectrum you have blue , green , yellow , red lights . We see it . But also sunlight has infrared spectrum of light . Infrared spectrum of light you cannot see , our eyes just not designed to notice it .

But you feel it because it feels like nice warmth . And these infrared lights you can experience when you go on a pitch and you lie in sunbed . But that warmth is give you that infrared light . Of course you have the other side of spectrum UV lights , ultraviolet lights But that is which we learn to apply sunblock and protect ourselves .

It could be damaging for the skin But it also has benefits because it helps you to make vitamin D for your body . So you see , sunlight generally , broadly is hugely beneficial for us . And so what we're talking today ? we're talking today about red lights and also aspect of near infrared light .

I want to explain a little bit more here because if you look the infrared spectrum remember this invisible spectrum It consists of kind of three parts . So first part is the near infrared light , sort of between 600 to 1000 nanometers That's how they measure the wavelengths And then you have mid range beyond that , like 2000, . 4000 nanometers and then fine infrared .

So they have slightly different impact on the body And I want to bring it to explain why red and near infrared light are most beneficial , most researched as well in the science of photobiomodulation . So red light we can see And red light is normally absorbed at the level of the skin And it stimulates mitochondria .

Mitochondria , it's basically a little energy plants which is scattered in every cell And so you have red light stimulating mitochondria , but also near infrared light . They both impact your energy production on the cellular level . So this is like win-win .

But if you go further into spectrum of light , into mid range and far range of infrared , then your water molecules in the body primarily absorb that light And that will be different physiological effect . You'd feel that warmth and even hot . That's principle what infrared sounders are based on .

So in a sense scientists discovered Hurray , the sunlight has got some beneficial wavelengths . That red and infrared light seems good for your energy . And guess what ? Who noticed that as well ? When you look through ancient time , indian yogi had a practice They would sit and they would watch sunrise And they would watch sunset . Why ?

Because at these times we have the most of the red spectrum and the infrared spectrum of light . So , whether they knew this through their religious , historical practicing , or whether they just discovered that this is good for you , they've been doing this for centuries And , of course , now scientists confirm there is a beneficial effect from these wavelengths .

Peter Bowes

And , of course , all of this is very closely linked to our circadian rhythm , the fact that our body is built around a clock , a 24 hour clock , and , to a large extent , that clock is dictated , it is manipulated , if you like , according to the red light that we are and indeed other forms of light that we are exposed to during the day .

That rhythm of the day dictates how our body operates .

Dr. Zulia Frost

Oh , totally . It's a really important subject you just touched Because you know how it happens , because we , basically , we are creatures , we evolved under sunlight . So since the beginning of humankind , we learned how to use light to power or operate or modulate the senses , using this language , different cells in the body .

So the light , when we watch the light and daylight , stimulate some part of the brain and the melatonin . It's a hormone which , released by pituitary gland in your brain , is subsides . Yes , that means your body is active , but then evening comes along and then your light is diminishing .

So this light receptors in your brain telling you oh , now it's time for you to produce melatonin , because that induce you into sleep . So this interesting mechanism , through receiving light through your eyes , actually create that circadian rhythm . So circadian rhythm , like you said , it's 24 hour cycle . But what is interesting ?

the melatonin , this hormone I was just describing , it's at the core , at the heart of this circadian rhythm . It's like , if you imagine , it's like a conductor who plays the music of life for 24 hours in your body . So it dictates when to wake up , when to go to sleep .

But important thing is that not only melatonin attached to 24 cycle in the body , but all your hormones , the hormones of the biological , like testosterone , estrogen , progesterone , digestive hormones , grating leptin , hormones which regulate your body temperature , all the function intimately linked to this 24 circadian rhythm .

So once you know about this , then you know oh , oh , i need to go to bed right on time . I should not upset this circadian rhythm , because if you have upset circadian rhythm , there is lots , lots of diseases linked to that . I call them

Why Casper Ruud uses FlexBeam

desynchronization

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of circadian rhythm . I call them in my head .

Peter Bowes

This is the Live , long and Master Aging podcast . Our guest is Dr Zulia Frost , the clinical director

(Cont.) Why Casper Ruud uses FlexBeam

at Recharge Health creators of a targeted red light device known as Flexbeam . I really want to dive a little deeper into sleep , into melatonin release and its relationship with the red light and its relationship to the red light that we're exposed to during the day . We'll talk about more of that in depth in our next episode .

What I'd like to do now is talk about Flexbeam and how you have really embraced the knowledge that I think has blossomed over the last couple of decades that we now have about how energy is at our very core and how the body thrives on energy and how that is related to the light that we're exposed to .

How you've used that knowledge to develop this device that hopefully has . I think we're going to learn over the next couple of episodes how it can be used to heal ourselves , how it can be used to

Laser and LED Therapy explained

improve our sleep , perhaps reduce our anxiety . How has this been focused on a piece of technology that's been developed just in the last few years ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

This is a big question , peter , but I tell you one thing My discovery and I would say it probably will be my contribution to the whole understanding of the how body functions It's the discovery that everything based on your energy , for example you know this you can live for maybe some few weeks without food , you can live without water for some few days , but

without functioning mitochondria which make energy in your cell , you cannot last even a second . This is very profound . So if you have damaged energy production in your body , you can be ill . Simple as that . And I trace so many diseases back to mitochondria dysfunction . To start with , fatigue . That is a pure expression of mitochondria not functioning .

Poor sleep , of course it would be , because we just discuss the power of the red lights and power of the melatonin to induce normal sleep pattern And lots of chronically ill people have really difficulty to sleep . And then , of course , we have chemical imbalance in the body which can lead to some state like you described state of anxiety or state of depression .

It's also linked back to mitochondria and light . So if people know the way about this , they should look into this topic because from energy point of view , you can explain any of these conditions and many more .

Peter Bowes

The whole issue of mitochondria as you have laid out . It's hugely important to us And we've talked about mitochondria quite a lot on the podcast . And of course there are many ways aren't there to improve our mitochondrial health . There's physical activity lifting weights , resistance training is a way of improving our mitochondrial health .

It's very closely linked to our diet , the compounds that we get out of plants , especially that we can be using in our gut to benefit our mitochondrial health . That's simplifying it hugely , but the point I'm making is there are many ways in our lifestyles to improve our mitochondrial health .

Dr. Zulia Frost

Absolutely Totally agree with you . And also we need to include in your list red light therapy .

Peter Bowes

That's exactly what I wanted you to do . Yes .

Dr. Zulia Frost

Red and infrared lights because it modulates a release of melatonin . And so you asked me to talk a little bit about flex beam .

Well , i tell you , this device was the result of the discovery of the power of red and infrared lights in the form of LEDs , not lasers , because lasers were like , as I said , since 1960s they were primarily used as a low level laser therapy .

But since NASA discovered the positive impact on healing from LED technology , it's suddenly the whole industry just boom , and so flex beam is a baby of this . I would say excitement from our engineer , ariane about this NASA research . But what is important to understand the very latest scientists are talking about what is important with light therapy ?

it's the parameters of light , the power , like irradiance , or how strongly it influences cell with light , yes , how long the exposure time , rather than the source , whether it's laser , whether it's LED . Important that the both modalities work , but work slightly , maybe different .

Peter Bowes

Could you maybe just explain a little bit more so I can fully understand the difference between LED and laser , because I think a lot of people will be familiar with laser treatments . So again , what is the distinct difference between them ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

Laser's always been considered to be superior to any other . Why ? Because laser produces coherent beam of light . Coherent basically means they are very ordered , very organized beam of light , so all photons travel together like one , and so because of this the penetration depth through the tissue is a lot better .

But lasers , like we said , it's typically very narrow bands and very , very strong beam of light . So obviously it's important how strong the laser , because if you put very strong laser you can actually burn the tissue . So that is kind of drawback .

That's why lasers are used in the medical practices by trained practitioners And you have to use pre-coations like goggles . Of course technology is progressing as well , and so now lots of development in the low intensity lasers . So how is compared to LEDs ? LEDs don't produce coherent light . Leds it's like a beam of light in a circus .

It's got this spatial distribution of lights And because of this LEDs could spectrum . So it's never like very specific nanometers of the waveform . It's actually spread over the range , like , for example , with flex beam . We have red lights in 625 up to 635 nanometers And infrared between 800 to 830 . So it's spread .

It's number one , so it does not have any damage in effect . And number two , it radiates the area , not a dot , but the area . So in a sense they both will give you photo stimulation at the cellular level And they both will be beneficial for a variety of physiological factors .

Peter Bowes

Okay , I get it . Okay , so you were going to go on to explain now flex beam . This is a device that you don't need to go to a clinic to use . This is something that you can use actually on the move , or you can use sitting or lying on your bed . Explain the fundamentals for us , if you could .

Dr. Zulia Frost

The fundamentals are the fact that , like you said , it's really user-friendly because it's like a belt and you can tie it around your body . This device is different to panels , which had been known as LED technology , and it's actually as well , because it's directly on the skin . Because it's directly on the skin , what's happening ?

All lights which are generated by the diodes in the device directly target it , send it into your body . So it's in a targeted way . You literally put it around the joint From three dimensions . You beam the joint like shoulder , knee or back . That is one advantage . And second advantage it's super , super powerful .

It's really powerful because , compared to all other devices , it generates in 10 minutes , program three , up to six watts . It's a tremendous amount of energy . But what the power gives you , it's not just the power but it's a power density .

It enables to deliver these photons of light which energize cells which maybe have damage somewhere , but they dip inside your body . So not every photo by modulation device could do this , but FlexBim does It . Penetration depth up to 10 centimeters , which is tremendous .

Peter Bowes

So when you say our cells are being energized , what exactly is happening during those 10 minutes as we are beaming red lights through our skin , deep into our bodies , whether it's on a joint , whether it's in a muscular area of our body ? what's actually happening in ourselves ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

Oh , this is quite an important point . Yeah , first of all , the beam directly stimulates the energy production center . It binds better oxygen and makes you more energy . So imagine the cell is experiencing shock because there was a trauma or maybe cell is actually , you know , damage . The tissue is damaged , so cells need to repair , So they need physical energy .

As you know , when you have tissue damage there are specific immune cells which crawling to this point of damage . Yes , so they need physical , tangible energy . So that's what they receive through these photons of light which give analogy which works really well to say it's like your solar panel .

You have photosensitive stuff , you stimulate photonic energy and then you convert into this electricity So you not only power your home but you can power same way your body inside where the damage is happened . Then there is the second process in parallel going on , because your enzyme binds with oxygen better .

It kicks the nitric oxide , and we all know nitric oxide is the ultimate vasodilator which means the blood vessels are start opening up , the more blood comes to the side of injury . It brings more oxygen so cells more efficiently work , yes , and then it brings nutrients , take the waste away .

So you optimize , you create much better environment for healing when you use the light . And then another process also happening a very small release of reaction oxygen species .

They are necessary because they like a signal for the cell , or I need to do cellular protective measures So your cell become protected , so it also attracts the sort of neurochemicals messengers which reduce the inflammation . So I mean there is multiple arrays of effects happening . Collagen becomes better , stem cells release better . This is all proven by science .

Peter Bowes

How safe is it ? Is there a danger of overdosing on energy ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

No , as such I would say there is nothing dramatic could happen If you overdo . What has typically happened with any photobio-modulation device you start losing the effect So effectively if you overdo , you just don't get the effect .

Sometimes , in very , very rare occasions , you can increase the inflammation because obviously you've given there already so much energy to this point . So if you give too much energy , in a sense the body will be very busy to fixing , working hard on this area , so your symptoms can be accentuated . But apart from this there is no burns .

There is no danger of that because the stimulation is pure stimulation with light . There is no heat . When you use red and infrared light specifically , you can expect heating reaction only in the mid-range or far-range of the infrared . It's quite important .

Peter Bowes

And how often ? is it necessary to use this for 10 minutes at a time to actually see any tangible difference in your health ?

Dr. Zulia Frost

I would say you should be able to see it straight away . If you're a healthy individual , if you fit , for example , a person , you would be able to notice a difference after 10-minute stimulation . I normally recommend to do , in one session , 20-30-minute stimulation .

If you work , for example , with some injury or if you work with something like we're talking about sleep inducing , yes , 20-30 minutes at a time .

But if you are really really struggling with your health , like if you , maybe you're down like sort of 70 , 80 , and then you have so many conditions , you know you should understand that everything what is not right in your body is going to sci-fi , your essential sci-fi , this essential energy .

So effectively overall , your energy in the body drop and you will need a lot of energy to replace it . However , you don't give it at once . You need to give a lot smaller portions . That is my experience telling me .

So I found if people like this , they should use device maybe every other day , and they use only 10-20 minutes every other day , not every day . So , regardless , the both groups are going to feel the difference . Feed young people would feel the difference straight away . All the ill people may need to .

you know , maybe even one month or even two months , it's maybe different .

Peter Bowes

Well , as I say , we're going to dive into some of the separate and very different applications for this device in our future episodes . In the meantime , Dr Zulia Frost , thank you very much indeed .

Dr. Zulia Frost

Thank you so much , Peter . It's been a pleasure , real

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pleasure , to talk to you today .

Peter Bowes

If you would like to try it for yourself . Recharge Health is offering Lama podcast viewers and listeners a discount on the purchase of a Flexbeam unit . Use the code LLAMA at checkout . You'll find full details in the show notes for this episode , either on the platform where you are now or our website , which is LLAMApodcast . com - L-L-A-M-A-podcast dot com .

In our next episode we're going to talk about red light and how it affects our sleep in much more detail the role of melatonin , the role that it plays in sleep and its relationship with our exposure to red light . And what if we're feeling anxious or stressed ? Is there a role for red light in helping us relax ? We'll delve into that as well .

As long as master aging is a health span media production , we share ideas here , but we do not offer medical advice . If you have any health concerns at all , you are considering adopting a health related regime , you should first consult your own doctor .

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