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Liminal Living

Dr. Thomas J Rundelwww.patheos.com
Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr. Tom Rundel, and it's my pleasure to serve as your guide through these uncharted territories. With a doctoral background in spirituality and leadership from Portland Seminary, my research has centered on the spirituality found in the narratives of liminality in the Bible, but I have expanded my research to include other faith traditions and cognitive science. Since our launch in 2023, we've been dedicated to exploring the nuances of dark nights and deconstructions, but our journey expanded to include insights from a diverse array of modern-day thinkers and artists. Through a blend of stories, practices, and perspectives, we provide valuable guidance for fellow travelers navigating their own liminal spaces. So, join us as we embark on this journey and embrace the uncertainty in order to uncover the hidden wisdom that lies within the liminal spaces of life.
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Episodes

134a: Let Love Rule: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson conclude their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Lenny Kravitz's Let Love Rule Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us o...

Sep 04, 20255 min

134: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 10

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance...

Sep 03, 202517 minSeason 4Ep. 35

133a: Subterranean Homesick Alien: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Radio Head's Subterranean Homesick Alien Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ ...

Aug 28, 20255 min

133: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 9

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance...

Aug 27, 202520 minSeason 4Ep. 34

132a: What Are We Afraid Of: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of an original tune Jeremie Wrote. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us...

Aug 21, 20255 min

132: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 8

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance...

Aug 20, 202521 minSeason 4Ep. 33

131a: Running to Stand Still: Song Only

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of U2's Running to Stand Still Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on ...

Aug 14, 20254 min

131: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 7

takeaways Music serves as a powerful tool for social change. The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music. Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles. Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe. Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times. The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship. Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections. Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art. The importance...

Aug 13, 202519 minSeason 4Ep. 32

130: Brian McLaren: Reimagining God for the Modern World

Check out Brian's work here: https://brianmclaren.net/ Order his new Book here: https://brianmclaren.net/the-last-voyage-my-new-sci-fi-novel/ Check out his podcast here: https://cac.org/podcast/learning-how-to-see/?fbclid=IwAR2F2SM7RopzGuelD8HOshRFUCxhf9yg0wT9wz6lKWRSy9S6IO0Jnz2DX80 Takeaways Brian McLaren shares a joyful moment with his grandson. The importance of being present in the moment to find joy. Fiction can be a powerful medium to explore complex themes. Imagination is crucial in times...

Aug 06, 202557 minSeason 4Ep. 31

129a: Freedom: Song Only

to listen to the full episode with commentary please check out episode 129 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving...

Jul 31, 20253 min

129: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 6

The importance of family and personal experiences in shaping perspectives. The Isle Royale experience serves as a metaphor for disconnecting from chaos. Moderate voices in faith often face backlash for political engagement. Wisdom requires challenging one's own beliefs regularly. The prophetic tradition in Christianity speaks truth to power. Hyper-masculine Christianity is on the rise, raising concerns. Music serves as a powerful medium for resistance and expression. The impact of war on society...

Jul 30, 202524 minSeason 4Ep. 30

128a: How Come: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, please listen to episode 128 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www....

Jul 24, 20254 min

128: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 5

The importance of family and personal experiences in shaping perspectives. The Isle Royale experience serves as a metaphor for disconnecting from chaos. Moderate voices in faith often face backlash for political engagement. Wisdom requires challenging one's own beliefs regularly. The prophetic tradition in Christianity speaks truth to power. Hyper-masculine Christianity is on the rise, raising concerns. Music serves as a powerful medium for resistance and expression. The impact of war on society...

Jul 23, 202530 minSeason 4Ep. 29

127: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 4

takeaways The importance of family and personal experiences in shaping perspectives. The Isle Royale experience serves as a metaphor for disconnecting from chaos. Moderate voices in faith often face backlash for political engagement. Wisdom requires challenging one's own beliefs regularly. The prophetic tradition in Christianity speaks truth to power. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: http...

Jul 16, 202533 minSeason 4Ep. 28

127a: One Seven Six Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 127 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.faceboo...

Jul 15, 20255 min

126: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 3

In this conversation, we continue our Summer Songs of Resistance series with Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson talking about the role of music as a form of resistance and social commentary. They explore the importance of local action in the face of overwhelming national issues, the need for honest dialogue, and the influence of historical figures in shaping music's impact on society. The discussion also touches on politics, religion, society, and playing a song to accompany: For What It's Worth by B...

Jul 09, 202522 minSeason 4Ep. 27

126a: For What It's Worth: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 1256 Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebo...

Jul 08, 20254 min

125: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 2

In this conversation, we continue our Summer Songs of Resistance series with Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson talking about the role of music as a form of resistance and social commentary. They explore the importance of local action in the face of overwhelming national issues, the need for honest dialogue, and the influence of historical figures in shaping music's impact on society. The discussion also touches on politics, religion, society, and playing a song to accompany: Fly Like and Eagle, by t...

Jul 02, 202518 minSeason 4Ep. 26

125a: Fly Like an Eagle: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 125. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebo...

Jul 01, 20254 min

124: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 1

Chapters Introduction and Technical Setup Localizing Action and Finding Empowerment The Role of Music in Social Commentary Songwriting as a Call to Action Reflections on Lyrics and Social Issues Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect...

Jun 25, 202528 minSeason 4Ep. 25

124a: Fault and Responsibility: Song Only

To listen to the full episode and hear the commentary around this song, listen to episode 124. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebo...

Jun 24, 20256 min

123: Keith Giles: Erasing Mary from the Text

takeaways Keith Giles has written multiple books, including a series on quantum gospels. The Gospel of Mary is a fragmentary text with significant insights. Mary Magdalene is likely the central figure in the Gospel of Mary. The text emphasizes the idea of Christ within all individuals. There were multiple early Christian communities with differing beliefs. The Gospel of Mary aligns with the egalitarian views of the Valentinians. The text suggests a direct connection to God without mediators. The...

Jun 18, 20251 hr 2 minSeason 4Ep. 24

122: Cynthia Beach: Disillusionment with Christian Leaders

Cynthia Beach has a deep connection to Castle Rock, Northern Ireland, which inspires her writing. Her upbringing in a wealthy family contrasted with her mother's devout spirituality. Disillusionment with Christian institutions shaped her understanding of faith. Frederick Douglass's writings provided a framework for navigating faith amidst disillusionment. Operational faith often leads to a focus on exceptionalism rather than true spirituality. The persona adopted by church leaders can create a d...

Jun 11, 20251 hr 9 minSeason 4Ep. 23

121: Catherine Cowell: Finding God's Feminine Side

Catherine experienced her faith journey in small, incremental shifts. Questioning beliefs can lead to deeper understanding and growth. Maturity in faith involves embracing uncertainty and mystery. The divine can be understood through both masculine and feminine imagery. Catherine's experiences with church communities shaped her views on faith. The journey of questioning can be seen as an invitation to grow. Feminine imagery for God exists in scripture but is often overlooked. Cultural norms have...

Jun 04, 20251 hr 9 minSeason 4Ep. 22

120: Lauren Cibene: Navigating Faith, Trauma, and Healing in India

takeaways Lauren's required reading is 'Life of Pi' for its depth. 'Grapes of Wrath' illustrates systemic evil in society. Growing up in a fundamentalist bubble shaped her faith. Trauma led to a painful deconstruction of her beliefs. Emotional prosperity gospel can distort faith expectations. Therapy was a crucial step in her healing process. Traveling to India was a leap of faith for her. Cultural immersion helped her rebuild trust. Trusting oneself is a vital part of recovery. Vulnerability is...

May 28, 202559 minSeason 4Ep. 21

119: Michael Gungor: Holy Integration: Music, the Sacred, and the Self

takeaways Bach's music exemplifies a pure expression of creativity. Creativity flows from a dance between internal and external influences. Individuality is a unique expression of the universal flow. Consciousness transcends the boundaries of ego and identity. The sacred can be found in everyday moments and experiences. Rituals can help us recognize the sacred in our lives. Creativity requires both chaos and order to flourish. The ego can hinder creativity by imposing limitations. Being present ...

May 21, 20251 hr 11 minSeason 4Ep. 20

118: Andy Root: Evangelism in an Age of Despair

In this episode, Dr. Andy Root challenges conventional views of evangelism, presenting it as a theology of consolation rather than a marketing strategy for church growth. He argues that modern society's relentless pursuit of happiness leaves people deeply alone in their grief, lacking rituals to navigate life's inevitable goodbyes. Root emphasizes Luther's theology of the cross, where God is most present in suffering, inviting communities to journey together in pilgrimage and discover genuine joy born from acknowledging shared sorrow.

May 14, 202556 minSeason 4Ep. 19

117: Nolan Rundel: The Art of Meaning: Blending Love, Logic, and Liminal Spaces

Take Aways Life experiences broaden your understanding of meaning. Family significantly impacts one's perspective on life. Cultural and community influences shape personal values. Art and beauty provide a deeper understanding of existence. Navigating societal expectations can be challenging. Authenticity is crucial in personal and professional spaces. External forces can guide life in unexpected ways. Finding the right questions is more important than answers. You must integrate past experiences...

May 07, 202537 min

116: Keith Giles: Reading Romans Right, an Unfundamentalist View

Keith Giles has written extensively on biblical topics, including the Book of Romans. The collaborative project with Matthew de Stefano was born out of a shared concern about the misinterpretation of Romans. Romans is often misused to justify negative ideologies, which the authors aim to correct. Understanding the structure of Paul's arguments is crucial for accurate interpretation of Romans. The technique of prosopopeia is used by Paul to present opposing viewpoints in his arguments. Many Bible...

Apr 30, 20251 hr 2 minSeason 4Ep. 18

115: Kevin Sweeney: A Cosmic Christ Meets a Concrete Jesus

Show Outline: Podcast Reflections & Growth Tom’s journey from uncertainty to confidence in hosting. Lessons from awkward interviews and maintaining consistency. Peter Rollins & Parables Kevin’s college story using Rollins’ parable of the mystic, evangelical, and fundamentalist. The role of mysticism in challenging dogma. Kevin’s New Book: Cosmic Christ and Concrete Jesus Origins: Re-examining faith post-church closure and vocational shifts. Defining the “Cosmic Christ” (universal divine ...

Apr 23, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 4Ep. 17
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