Tracy and Emily are smart , lovable sisters who really love Lucifer for the plot yeah , the plot which they overthink .
Hey there , I'm here with my sister Emily Guy Birkin . There's no hyphen in her name and I'm here with my sister , tracy Guy Decker .
Yes , there's a hyphen in her name .
Together , we are light bringers . We illuminate the deeper meaning of the crime solving devil TV show and , yes , we are overthinking it . So today we're talking about episodes 12 and 13 from season one . So hashtag team Lucifer and take me back to hell .
And I'm really , really glad that our actually let me start over we were so smart that we planned this out and these two would be , that we would be talking about these two together in the same episode , because they really that was entirely according to plan by design . On our love it .
Love it when a plan comes together .
Yeah , so I'm actually going to start with , like the , the title of hashtag team Lucifer , because , yeah , me too , except that Malcolm is the one who actually voices that phrase . So it's like I don't know .
There's a lot of ambivalence for me actually on the rewatch of this title , since since which is unusual , right , almost always Lucifer himself is the one who says what the title of the episode is , but in this episode , malcolm gets that honor , and so there's this , this weird , I don't know it's a fair .
I can't see Lucifer speaking in hashtag .
I agree he would . This would not be a title from his speech . Agreed , agreed , agreed , yes , yes , yes , so , yeah . So that was that's just where I wanted to start .
But I think these two episodes to close out the first season were so great because in hashtag team Lucifer we see Satanists , right , we see the people who the sort of moms against profanity I'm making that group up but the , the folks who might rail against this TV show without ever having seen it , these , this , this Satanic group in this episode are exactly who
they think they're railing against . So I think it's really interesting that you know the penultimate episode in the first season we get to see this and see Lucifer like pretty disgusted by them , right , well , and we also see , just in the , in the , in the character of of Mitch the , the head Satanic , we see how harmless he is .
You know like , ultimately , it's just like I got got into this and now I don't know how to get out .
Right , right , and even like the way he talks about , like I like the philosophy which Lucifer himself talks about free will , right Like um , and then . And then he's like and now I'm the friggin high priest , like you know , and these people take it way too seriously which I like .
I'm not sure how you would fall up that like that , but you know , I guess I can see it where .
It's one of those things . If you stick around long enough for any kind of club , you know anything you end up in charge of it , that's true If you have any kind of competence whatsoever . Yeah , and one of the other things that I feel like the writers really threw us fans a bone in this one is a couple episodes ago .
We heard the the sort of um when a menadil reveals that he's the one who started the goat association and this . This episode is all like all the goats with the same , the fake Lucifer with the like goat . It's the top of the lintel . Oh man , that was amazing , and that's that's the moment when Lucifer , lucifer is like , oh like all right , I'm done .
And he's so . I noticed this on rewatch . If you watch that scene where he's like oh no , I am done . And he opens the door , close face Glass , hits her face . She's just a little . I don't think I noticed that in my first you know 10 watching , but in this rewatch I that really stood out . To me .
That was very funny and I think that's the . The other thing that you know , die hard fans probably know , but there's Easter eggs for the um comic book in this .
So when the Satanist who answers the door and he says I'm Lucifer or well right .
And he says you're supposed to be blonde .
And then um . Corazon's real name is Mike Kerry . Mike Kerry was one of the writers .
Oh and uh comic book .
Yeah , and I actually I only just recently realized I read some books by Mike Kerry it's probably 10 years ago now that I really enjoyed I didn't remember the author's name , I just remembered like the name of the book and stuff like that , and I just recently ran across them to the Felix Caster books and it's .
It's a similar kind of yeah , well , there's the anti-hero and then it's also like the , the kind of world building , um , where he lives in the real world , but there's there's like a lot of like magic and zombies and things like that .
Like one of the things that I just was vivid for me was he's friends with a zombie who lives in an old converted movie theater that he keeps like freezing cold because he's really scared .
That's like what the zombie is afraid of rotting so , and so I was like um , and I only recognized , like I remember , a piece of the movie that I just read which was kind of like a kind of a little bit of a book that I just read . And then I came across the Felix Caster book recently .
I was like oh , Mike Kerry and I know Mike Kerry for Lucifer and they're the same person . Yay , so that made me very happy . Yeah , but that is the word that is used within the show itself when Lucifer sees the my carries corpse , and I think it . I think it's Malcolm who says what do you make of this ?
And Lucifer's response is I'm realizing how long it's been since I have encountered true evil and that Sort of tying up that like we knew Malcolm was not a good guy , like we've known that for a long minute . But these two episodes together really just put a bright line under just how not a good guy he is .
Well , and what's interesting is because the show is very much about redemption , but there does not appear to be any path to redemption from Malcolm Agreed , and so that's something I'm curious about .
Now , the thing that I find interesting and so like something that you see often when you go on , like the reddit Lucifer Page and subreddit , people are saying , like , well , if guilt sends you to hell , then , like you know , sociopaths and psychopaths are not going to go to hell .
I don't want it to be very clear that , yeah , that's where Malcolm is going , because he doesn't feel any guilt for anything he's doing . Here there is no sense of anything other than glee at what he's doing , and even like terrorizing Trixie , right , doesn't seem to bother him in the slightest right .
I will say there's something about watching this the way like he lifts Trixie up at one point or lifts her down , yeah , down , down , and and I felt like Kevin Rankin and Scarlett Espinosa or Esperanza , oh gosh what is her last name , I don't know , but Espinosa is her character's name , I know .
I know , but Scarlett , the actress who plays Trixie , who plays Trixie Like there was something like that . I could see past the characters and be like Kevin's okay with her .
She sort of lifts up her arms like to make room for his hands on her rib cage . Yeah , I know that as well . Like she's a participant in that lifting , being lifted down , yeah , yeah .
It seemed a little like that doesn't make sense for the characters but it makes . But it made me feel like Kevin Rankin's an okay guy and he's treating this child actress nicely .
Yeah , yeah , actually , as I read , as I'm rewatching and as , and now that I have the entire , the entire , estivas , scarlett Estivas , thank you , I think , and now that I have the entire series in mind , now that you know we're recording this after season six has been released , watching Malcolm die , I actually thought , oh well , that would have been interesting to
put to bring him back in the final , final episode of season six . I'm not sorry they didn't . That might have been difficult .
I don't think , I don't think there was a way to do that . Yeah , maybe not Maybe .
Yeah , but it's it's . It did . The thought did cross my mind , so that was sort of interesting . You know one thing about his death that they don't spell out specifically , and I kind of wish they did , because I'm super literal , but at least , given the coin , he makes a deal with Lucifer If you don't shoot me , you can have this get out of hell free coin .
But then he shoots him Mm , hmm , that's I mean , like to me . That's why the coin won't work for him . They imply that it's because , you know , god gave it to Lucifer to get out of hell , to come back . But what I don't know , that also is true . Like he broke his deal with the devil , of course he doesn't have the coin anymore .
I wish they had said that , because that's that feels like to me , only further underscoring like he is the devil , right , like when you break a deal with the devil . There are consequences and you lose the benefits that you gain from the deal . Mm , hmm , so that was like a piece that I felt like was an app . It felt like a low hanging fruit to me .
It would have been extremely satisfying and I think that's what I think it was like for me as a viewer that I felt like was missed for well and for Lucifer to say to him like you , you break a deal with the devil , you lose your .
Exactly , yeah , yeah , exactly . I wonder if they didn't do that because they wanted to , because there was that very emotional like God , I need you to save me , and because I don't think it occurred to Lucifer in that moment like , oh , he broke his deal , like I get my coin back , I think , like they wanted us to .
Right . He says I , I know a guy turns out , I know a guy right that they wanted it , the focus to be on God . So yeah , that makes sense . And also I don't know , I think it could have been done both ways right , like he could have even said like , apparently , I know a guy who enforces my deals .
You know what I mean .
Like I feel like there could have been a way to write it that would have made God be Lucifer's like enforcer , which would have been like weird and awesome .
God's my leg breaker .
What happens ? Yeah , yeah .
Oh , that's funny .
I know a guy , but I can't say his name because you can't hear it .
Anyway yeah no , I would agree with that .
But I like , as I've said throughout , like I like seeing Malcolm go more and more evil , like there's just something enjoyable about it , even though he's doing such truly terrible things horrific , yeah yeah , I remember reading something recently about saying , like how villains these days you so rarely see a villain enjoying themselves like enjoying their villainy , and so
like the example they gave was like Ursula from the little mermaid , like oh yeah , she's having a ball with her badness .
Do I help them ? Yes , I do .
And so that's kind of how I feel about Kevin Rankin's Malcolm Graham , because he is just enjoying the crap out everything he's doing .
Yeah , that's when Lucifer realizes he's the one who's killed the two people in Lucifer's apartment , and that like sums up exactly what you're talking about . I mean even his like I've been waiting all day for you to tell you . You know , like yeah , there's this , like this anticipation that he's holding with his whole body .
It's just . I just really appreciate both the craft of acting and what he's doing , because it is over the top , but it's like choose the scenery .
But it fits . But it fits with the character , yeah , yeah .
Even the fact that how people react to him when he winks at Lucifer at the beginning of hashtag he blusifers .
The wink and the porn stash maybe not what you're going for . He calls it an injective stash . Yeah , injective douche .
So funny . Yeah , I really really appreciate that . So like I just he did a great job , made a great villain .
So we've talked about the craft , the writers craft . We've talked about the actors , especially for taking me back to hell . I want to talk about the cinematography . Like yeah , so , like this is a beautifully directed episode , like that's the . So the scene when Chloe takes the call from what she thinks is Trixie and then realizes that it's Malcolm .
There's a lot of shots of like zooming out , like to show her like aloneness in despite the activity , and like the sort of plan . She has no idea who she can trust . She doesn't know who she can trust .
And then the scene from above , as Lucifer is bleeding , having just been shot , and the like , the growing stain and the little bit of like blood on his mouth and but the the the cinematography of it from above . So we get that full facial frontal facial of Tom Ellis talking to God .
It goes down to indicate that we're down in hell and the sort of in and out of focus in hell . I just visually , I thought that that episode was just really superbly done , Like I just I felt myself really enjoying and being like pulled into the emotion , not just from the acting and the writing , but also from the way that it was produced and filmed .
So I just want to like lift that up , because we haven't talked about that at all Together so far .
Well , and in the very beginning of that episode , when Menadil and Lucifer are standing on the roof in the rain , yeah , it's like really beautifully done , so gorgeous . And then I mean , like I think I I last time I rewatched this I sent you a text like Tom Ellis , standing in the rain is my sexual orientation .
I think it was actually singing , but yes .
Yeah , yeah .
You know . So those things I think were beautifully done . The one that was like I was like what is going on is a Menadil's apartment . Yes , I think I read a tweet one time , or maybe was on the subreddit , that said , like the 1980s music video called and they want their set back . Yes , tony Coutain could be dancing in that sense .
Like it was like that the wife for poster bed in the middle of the room and all the candles all around like I don't know . It was like clearly somebody was like they're sitting around the what is an angels apartment ? Look like I don't know . Candles white .
Oh no , you know , I just recently rewatched meatloaf , so I would do anything for love music video which , by the way , was directed by Michael Bay , because of course it was . I don't know what that is , I'm sorry , he's the , he's the , the Transformers explosions guy .
Oh , that guy , yeah , okay , that Michael Bay , yeah , and so , yes , there is definitely like you could see meatloaf just belting it out in there .
Yeah , or like like I can imagine , like like Billy Idol in there , like tearing the bed apart or something , or like candles , I don't know so .
I mean I can see like someone saying , like , okay , so he's trying to recreate what it feels like to be in the silver city , so , like , so that's why all the white I guess I don't know , but clearly we're not the only ones who felt that it didn't work , because we never see that set again .
We never know where he sleeps any other time he started , like I think in the next season it's the . It seems to be implied that he sleeps in that office , in Linda's office building , and then I don't know , because he and Linda are not . I don't , I don't know , but we never see that set again .
So obviously , and it's also , it wouldn't be so bad if the bed weren't just in the middle of the room . I mean , like it would still be weird , it would still be like okay , this is some 14 year olds . Like way intense . Like she got her own , like she could decorate however she wanted .
Like it's not that I mean I think we have to shove all of our furniture against the walls , but like I don't know there were . It was the only furniture in the room and it was right in the middle of the bedside table . There's no lamp just a bunch of candles , like , where does he keep his ?
You know fireplace too , though , right , yes , which has a raging fire in it . Okay , yes , there's a lot of fire in that room because a lot of candles and a fire in the fireplace .
I don't know . And then the bed had canopy hanging hangings which just seems like a fire hazard .
I don't remember , it definitely has four posts , yeah . I think there was like like window dressings , that like okay , okay , there's just something wispy and yeah , yeah .
Well , I just kind of imagined like DB Woodside being like I would never live here , all right .
Whatever you say , man , whatever you say , all right . Yeah , I mean , I don't know what an angel's house looks like .
So , yeah , no , I agree , that was . That was a very , very odd decision on their part .
It was a little distracting , to be honest .
Yeah , you know it's , it's similar than that . Like I haven't after , like you know , longer see this again , I don't think about where Admin ideal sleeps anymore , but I do wonder where , where the heck Linda does , because you do not see her house until like the fourth season and you see that she's got a pullout couch which she's like .
What therapist has a pullout couch in their office ?
One who sleeps with her patients .
So although I think you and I ret conned like and I like a reason for it is like because she and her husband , which we find out in season three , are separated separated recently separated , so maybe she was like staying there until she found found her own place . Yeah , so , but yeah , that's I do .
So the other thing I was thinking about because we talked about , I think , the last time it's time before about how people react when they learn that a men ideal is Lucer's brother , and so I was thinking about it in terms of like , okay , what would be realistic ? And then , but not a microaggression , and Linda is like he's your brother somehow .
But I think that has more to do with the fact that , like she , knows them both separately , knows them separately . And then Dan's reaction is like you've got to be lying to me because , like , none of this makes any sense , like because everything is weird and crazy right now , so I don't know .
I mean like again , they were realistic responses and everyone accepts it after that . But I was thinking about it while watching these again .
Yeah , okay , so let's talk about the feather , the feather that heals a men ideal , and just the wings in general . Like I don't know , we talked about the wings before in Wingman , so as a sort of deuce ex machina , I guess it works , you know , like this demon forged blade and we need to have a men ideal healed . But I don't know .
I suspended my disbelief because I want a men ideal to live and I love the show , but it was hard for me to suspend my disbelief that like she sets the thing on the wound and like the light is so bright you can , you know it goes out all the windows that we see from outside , I don't know it just .
And then meanwhile , like a men ideal is just like walking around with like full wingspan , like you know , like a six foot wingspan , of these things that are that potent . I guess make sense of why they freaked out when they were in human hands and also like when all those characters were handling them .
Where they're , like you know , paper cuts , healing and shit , like you know , but it's , it's healing an angel , it's not healing human , true , true , true , yep , and point . And it's two , two . So it's when two things , both created by God's hand come together . Yeah , yeah , that it , you know , brings the one back to its intended form .
Yeah , yeah , I guess , I guess I can buy that . I guess I can buy that .
Well , and it's . It's also like the , the , the , the filter they use to make it like low , like it was like yellow .
Yeah , like it was golden yeah .
When Lucifer's wings are white . The other thing I was thinking about was like how would that get Mazikine back to hell ? I don't think she knew .
Okay , I . My impression of that scene is that she wasn't actually sure how that would work . Gosh . But she figured that , and that's why she's .
That's why she was willing to sacrifice it .
Yeah , this part of why she's willing to sacrifice . That's why she kept it , cause she she was like I don't know , but it seems like this could come in handy someday and then , but I don't know how , and I know that this will help Amenity . Yeah , that's what that was . The impression that I got was that she didn't know how it might help her get back .
She just thought that it might somehow .
Do you know one thing that I think is really interesting , that upon rewatch I I like was really brought home to me A menadil is completely blaming Lucifer and is not listening to him about like how this is entirely a menadil's fault until maize says it , and that's what gets him to change his mind .
That's what gets him to think like , yeah , I have messed up and it's not fair to just send Lucifer back to hell and , just , you know , do those based on all of the bad things I have done . So , like I thought that was really an interesting turning point .
Turning point , additionally , the fact that he goes to confront Lucifer because of of maize , because of maize's betrayal betrayal , actually , you know these , these two episodes , are all about betrayal .
I mean there's a lot of like real and perceived betrayals , like , but that hurt , that feeling of hurt . I think you know Lucifer feels as though Chloe has betrayed him , which is why he says I'm done , Take me back , Because yeah and maize , and even Malcolm , you know , and Linda feels like first of them .
Yes .
Yeah , and maize feels betrayed by both of them , that she was a pawn . Yeah , there's a lot of like , there's a lot of hurt feelings among the core characters in these two episodes .
Well , and even Chloe when she's like you've been avoiding me for three weeks because I got the teeniest bit touchy feeling with you , right , right .
Which is like such a real fear , right , Like that . I mean , I feel like , as human beings , like that is the number . You know , if I actually show who I am or how I'm feeling , I will get rejected , right .
I feel like that is like the number one fear for a lot of human beings moving through the world , I mean , once our actual physical needs are taken care of .
So you know , that's really real and a completely reasonable concern of hers based on his actions and what you know , what she knows to be true .
Yeah , yeah , yeah , I mean , and how conflicted must you be that like you're working with this dude who's clearly delusional in some way , right , Unless he's actually the devil , which is too too hard .
There's no possible way .
It's too hard to wrap your mind around . So he's clearly delusional in some way . But you like working with him and he is helpful , but he thinks he's the devil . He genuinely believes he's the devil . I like I just want to hold for a second Like I don't know that I could do that . Like how do you take him seriously then ?
How can you like genuinely say like I feel like I can be myself around you , crazy person who thinks you're the devil ?
But you know , in some ways that kind of makes it freer . Do you know what I mean ?
Cause you know Cause the devil's not going to judge you Exactly .
Yeah Well , and someone who delusionally believes they're the devil .
Right , right , right . He's not going to judge you Right and he never . I mean like if it is a delusion , he never drops it right . It's like later , later , later . Ella thinks he's a method actor .
He never drops it you know , I was actually thinking about that when they go to the apartment of the murdered young woman with her father and we don't see like the introduction .
Like you know , mr Whatever , I'm Chloe Decker , this is my associate , lucifer Morningstar , and like I was thinking like how could they Right Like how his daughter died , how did they do ?
that Point .
No wonder they skipped that Like and just skip it . And then Lucifer is remarkably rude to him . I mean , like he's always rude , but you know he's saying like cause ? They ask , were you close with your daughter ? And like , well , yes , well , I was when she was little . And he's like , oh , you're an absentee father .
I'm like nothing he's saying makes it sound like he's an absentee father . It sounds like it's really hard for a single father to know how to raise a teenage daughter , which is just true . Yeah , so like absolutely nothing that we see of the father makes it seem like what Lucifer's assuming about him is true .
Right , right , you know he didn't know his daughter , but again , that doesn't necessarily mean anything . It just means adolescence is a tough time and it's natural for children to push away from their parents and try to , you know , create their own identity .
Yeah , so , like I felt for the poor guy this time around , especially because I was just like whoa , like you don't deserve this . And from a guy named Lucifer , yeah , so , similarly , like a similar , where they just kind of skip ahead .
They don't show us how Dan explained things to Chloe , they just show her hitting him , which I mean like like that's what we needed to see , was her reaction .
And he was just kind of good writing , because if there's too much exposition there when we've already seen it , I think it might get weird , you know .
Yeah , they do make sure that we see her . Like you lied to me . You let me think I was crazy . You know you . Like do you have any sense of how badly you have screwed up ? And I was thinking about that too .
With that scene at the end where she realizes she's alone , like when she's taken the call from Trixie , I was thinking like , oh my gosh , she's gonna have to explain to her daughter that her daughter's father is going to jail . Like that's already gotta be stressful . So , yeah , it's a rough episode .
Yeah well , and I feel for poor Trixie , like at the end where , like , after Chloe is shot in Alcom and she's like Trixie and actually is it over , Like oh God .
Right and there's a dead body right there , right Of the man . That's just , yeah , that's traumatizing man . Even like actually that's speaking of before , like picking back up what we were talking about before , where Chloe has this weird relationship , you know , with this man that she thinks is delusional . But I thought he killed you . Oh , he did . He did .
I got better , I got better , like she . We all saw . He took a bullet to the gut at like a foot range .
And I have to say I love the way Tom Ellis falls Like I don't know . There's something so like natural about it .
Yeah , even though he sort of convulsed as well . Malcolm is talking to him . He's a good actor , he's a very good actor .
Yeah , he's a very good actor . Yeah , so yeah . And so , like one hopes that Trixie , wherever she hid , couldn't see what was happening , one hopes she heard it . But she heard it and you know Lucifer's your friend and yeah .
Yeah , we're Trix . Yeah , yeah , I feel like maybe we've overthunk it enough for one day . Yeah , what do you think ? I think we may have overthunk it enough . You got any final thoughts ?
as we go out . It's so fluffy .
Yeah .
I just want to make it clear how much I appreciate Tom Ellis's eye makeup game this season . He has some pretty heavy eyeliner . He's so gorgeous and I'm like I love it .
I'm reminded of when you and I were at the dinner with my friend Joanna and she was like , oh right that show where you were like , you were like , I'm like , I'm like , I'm like , I'm like , I'm like he wears precisely the right amount of eyeliner . Thank you very much . There's a point where I was like his eyes are so beautiful , Tom .
Ellis's eyes are so beautiful , is he wearing makeup ? And you're like , yes , emily , he's wearing makeup . All right , well , that means that I can recreate that my eyes could be that beautiful , potentially Well , maybe not that beautiful . I mean , I'm like , well , he has beautiful eyes , potentially well , maybe not that beautiful , but I could , I could work on it .
Oh , I have one piece of fluff .
I read somewhere and I have not double checked it I read somewhere that when the show was on Fox , for various reasons , on network TV you cannot show someone smoking a cigarette , but smoking is an important part of who the character is , at least in the in the comic book , and so that's why you always see him trying to light a cigarette and unable .
There's , there's cigarettes that are lit in a , in a , an ashtray . He stubs one out when he's waiting for her to arrive at the Satanist headquarters , so , but you never actually see him take a drag , take a drag , and I it was not until someone pointed that out that I was just like you're right , he never does so .
Anyway , that's my other piece of fluff .
That's cool . Okay , all right , until next week . Until next week .
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