It's one of the biggest problems that couples face. I promise you, you're gonna have more passion in your relationship. If you're feeling stuck and stagnant, just start telling the truth. The studies have shown on average, it's twenty one or more minutes of, we could say foreplay, stimulation of some sort before we'll be consistently orgasmic during penetrative sex. But most men ejaculate in the first two to seven minutes of penetrative sex. And so you can see here the disconnect. Right?
Like a woman needs twenty one or more minutes of even a foreplay before penetration even happens, much less who knows, you know, once we're in there, penetration is part of your sexual repertoire in and it's all over in two minutes, let's see. That is not enough time for her to really drop into what's possible for her. So we have different arousal styles.
So when couples don't understand how they are wired and how their partner is wired, this leads to all kinds of problems and nobody's broken, nobody needs to be fixed. But when we know that piece, it really can clarify what's happening. So that can lead to just a disinterest and a shutdown in sex over time where it just becomes about, man, let me just give it to him because it's what he wants. There's really nothing in it for her at that point.
So how do you begin to bring the the spirituality into sexuality? And what does that really look like for you? The answer to that is actually very simple, and it's not gonna sound spiritual at all. Nothing more spiritual than the right now moment. So where do you begin? There's three things happening, and one of them Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode on The Lounge. I am so thrilled to introduce you to my next guest here, a new friend of mine, Susan Susan Morgan Taylor.
Susan is an amazing holistic sex therapist who has found a way to bridge sexuality and focusing on sexuality for both women and couples with the art of spirituality. So she really helps women and couples restore their relationships, get back to love, get back to that passion, and normalizes the conversation around sexuality so that we can talk about this and grow deeper into love and deeper into our connection with each other, ourselves, our partners, and so much more.
She's, like I said, a holistic sex therapist and intuitive coach and really specializes in women's sexuality. So, Susan, I'm absolutely thrilled. We're gonna talk about desire discrepancy. We're gonna talk about being in the art of the presence and somatic work and what that means, and we're gonna break down some myths about desire and discover some truths. So we're gonna have a great time. So welcome to the lounge. Thank you so much, Diane.
I'm so excited to be here in the lounge and can't wait to have this first issue in either way. What are you guys gonna be looking for? It's gonna be so good. And let's let's jump right jump right in. So in talking about desire, right, so one of the things that that I know you talk about is, like, what is the truth about desire?
And I feel like what I see is because of things that I know so many of us talk about offline, like porn and media and everything that we see in the world around desire, there's so many myths, and I think people are living and trying to live up to this expectation of, like, what desire, quote, unquote, should be like and should feel like. So what truly is the truth here? How do we break this down?
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, one of the biggest challenges that I see in my work, I work you know, I'm a specialist in women's sexuality, but I primarily work with couples like you, Diane. And we have this issue. What you hear out there, like, the common term is, like, mismatched libido or high sex drive, low sex drive, but clinical term is desire discrepancy is what we would call that, like, clinically.
And, really, what this comes down to is, you know, there there's just it's one of the biggest problems that couples face. And it also, the challenge that I see is usually what you have happen is there's the, quote, unquote, higher desire partner trying to find a way to get the lower desire partner to rise to meet their sexual libido desire, and the lower desire partner is probably feeling broken, like, they need to be fixed. And and this really is not the right approach to take in my opinion.
And so part of what I'm here to do and what I'd love to get across to your listeners today is, like, let's get rid of this idea of high libido, low libido. Because what the truth really is is that we're well, there's a few things going on here. There's really, like, three main keys that happen here. It's one of the things I teach in my monthly master class. There's three things happening, and one of them one of them is we have different arousal maps. So we're wired differently.
We have different ways that we come online and become interested in sex. And a lot of times what's happening is we're going the more explicitly sexual route. We're going straight for, say, genital touch and explicitly, quote, unquote, we think of as sex, which that does not work for everybody. Some people need a little bit more of a slower pace or they need less, more sensual type of touch or they need more teasing before they're going to become interested in sex.
So we have different arousal styles. So when couples don't understand how they are wired and how their partner is wired, this leads to all kinds of problems of, like, not being on the same page and feeling like, oh, someone's broken. Someone needs to raise their libido or needs to be fixed. And we just need to change that conversation. Nobody's broken. Nobody needs to be fixed. But when we know that piece, it really can clarify what's happening.
So that's that's one of the causes of that desire discrepancy. So when somebody has this desire discrepancy and we say we say, okay. There's nothing wrong with anybody. Right? So where do people begin, though, to go and solve it? And I see sometimes people try, like, well, let's meet in the middle. I wanna have sex every day. You wanna have sex twice a month. So maybe we, like, meet in the middle and try to have sex once every ten days.
Yeah. And, usually, that leads to, like, nobody really being happy in in my experience. So where do people in your you know, with your work and what you've seen, where do people really begin to break this down and find a way of solving this that is not this, like, meet in the middle kind of Exactly. That I love that question. And so in the process I've created called the pleasure keys process, it's what I use. My couple's retreats, I use this a lot in my work.
It's the three there's three n what I call the three n's. Notice, name, negotiate. The very first place we start to answer your question to keep this simple, we start with the ability to notice, which takes us back to our capacity to access what's called direct pleasure. So we have two ways of experiencing pleasure, two primary ways that we experience pleasure or in we'll call it enjoyment. One is the indirect route. The other is the direct route.
So the indirect route is when we're, say, watching porn or creating a a fantasy in our mind or seeing our partner have a really good time and get turn you know, excited by something we're doing to them. It's coming through the visual, through the eyes, stimulating visual cortex, and we become aroused or, you know, receive pleasure in that way.
It's a very valid pathway, but the other pathway is direct pleasure, and that is the pathway that's direct to the nerve endings in the skin directly to the brain. And what I see happen when couples are struggling with this issue of not being on the same page and high libido, low libido, one or both of them. Most of the time, it's both of them. They might not realize it. There's a a limitation to their capacity to access this direct route.
And when we don't have access to that direct route, we don't have access to our own to our own arousal and what turns us on and what we want, what we don't want, what we like, what we don't like, what we're willing to do or not willing to do. And that's why that conversation on, like, let's meet in the middle never really works because a lot of times what's happening is someone's probably pushing past some limit.
They're not really truly coming at it from, like, a desire or a willingness, and that's never gonna lead to more pleasure, more enjoyment, or more arousal. So the very first step is to open that direct pathway in the body, that direct route of pleasure in the body.
So the curiosity I have around that, and then I wanna get into your, you know, kind of your other ends here as well, is one of the things I've said in my work a lot is the pathway to pleasure is directly will related to the pathway to presence. The capacity experience pleasure is directly related to the the capacity to experience presence.
And I imagine not, you know, knowing exactly the specifics of your somatic work, but I imagine that there is an l a huge element, I would suspect, of presence. So when you're talking about this direct pathway, does that involve anything, like, with the ability to actually be present in the body to Absolutely. Experience? Yeah. Absolutely. And that actually is really the fir like, being present in the body is how we start to, access or or move the debris out of that pathway. And it's very simple.
So because that's what I hear a lot too. Like, well, I'm stuck in my head or I have performance anxiety. Right? You're not you're not present or I can't be present. Yeah. Everybody can be present. It's like exercising a muscle. Right? And so the very first step to opening that direct pathway for pleasure through the body, through the nerve endings on the skin, it's actually extremely simple. And how we do it is by noticing physical sensation, and all of us have the capacity to do that.
Now, you know, it might be it's exercising a muscle. It might take a minute before you can really stay with physical sensation, but we start by just noticing what sensation is available to me here right now. And we do it in very simple ways, by the way. Like, we're we don't even really have to start genitally or, you know, quote unquote sexually. We start by waking this pathway up even just through the hands, by learning how to notice what sensations are available right now in my hands.
And then we can expand that to what do I notice right now in my in my body, the weight of the chair against my back, the feeling of the the air against my skin. So that immediately is the quickest pathway to the present moment is to come into physical sensation. It's just a shift of our awareness. That's all we're doing. So we're not trying to, like, clear our thoughts or not think of anything or stare at a blank wall for an hour.
All we're doing is just shifting our awareness from being up in the head in the past, future, wherever, doing the grocery list to what what's happening right now? What's what am I able to notice right now in this moment in my body as a physical sensation that brings us into the present?
Yeah. It's it's one of these things when I've, done live classes in front of audiences and I ask, especially women, like, how many of you guys have ever been thinking about the grocery list in the middle of doing sex? How many of you ever, like, had that knowing the list? And it's amazing when when people are honest and you see one hand come up in the room and all of a sudden, like, multiple hands. And and it's really common. Right?
Because I think without this training, like, what you do with your clients around that direct presence and practicing throughout the day, it's like, if we're not practicing that throughout the day and that's not becoming part of our life around directly present to the sensations Right. When we get to the bedroom, that same thing that's happening all day to keep our mind wandering all over the places, it's gonna happen in the bedroom naturally because Absolutely.
Like you said, we haven't practiced that that muscle. So then what about the other ways of really helping with this, you know, this discrepancy and these three ends? Can you talk more about those? Yeah. So the very first piece is that getting that direct pathway open through being in the body. And, one thing I wanna say too is we tend to think of sex as a doing. Like, we're trying to get to this activity or get to the doing of the thing, the kissing, the touching, the penetration, whatever.
And what we what really helps is just getting out of this idea that's doing. It's not about getting to some particular thing. If we can slow down and do the noticing part really well first, that's where pleasure and arousal start to open up and expand. So pleasure expands from where we already find it in the body, not from where we try to tell it to go. So to answer your question, next piece, once we get that noticing and we get good at that skill is to name.
So this is about learning to name, not just naming what I notice, but also when I'm able to notice, I can start to identify what do I want, what do I need, what do I not want, What am I willing to do or not do? So we start to have this finer level of discernment from that connection to our own, direct pathway of pleasure in the body. And then we can start to name it. And when we get that, then we're we're now clear.
So I can either, you know, I can either name it within myself what I would need right now. Oh, I'm noticing that I need to slow down or I need to breathe more deeply, or I might need to hear certain words from my partner. Like, I can then advocate for that need or that desire. So there's that piece internally, but we can also go relationally. Maybe there's something that I need my partner or want my partner to do or something I would like to do to my partner.
So we can start to bring that into the relational space. That's the second n, which leads, you know, sort of organically to what's the third n. Right? The third n is that negotiate part. So negotiate is where either, negotiating for myself, advocating for a desire or need that I can either give to myself, or relationally, working out that with my partner. And there's so many ways to do this. We can do it very directly, verbally.
There's also ways to do negotiation where we're not using words at all. Usually, when I'm working with a couple, we're or or an individual client, we're working with using words because I think that we can't really give that piece up until we have gotten really good at it. But there's lots of ways to do that negotiating dance where it might not even involve the use of explicit direct words.
But learning how to do that directly in a way that your partner can hear it and you can hear it and there's no, like, terrible reactions that happen, that's where the clarity is created. And when there's clarity, there is connection and there is confidence. So how do you in, like, that then negotiate standpoint? Because I feel like that's such a critical part, right, in the couples and the interrelational.
How do you coach people to begin to have those conversations when like, one of the things that I've seen in studies around these kind of conversations is, like, anytime we have conflict conversation and really and research, there's three threats, the threat to the self, the threat to the partner, the threat to the relationship. And then in sex, it's interesting in in conversations around sex.
Out of those three threats, the one that is, like, the biggest threat in studies is the threat to oneself. So, like, okay. I'm gonna say to my partner, hey. I'm gonna negotiate and make this request around my need. Then the threat to the individual is actually the biggest thing from the standpoint of, like, the ego and all these things. Right? Because we all wanna provide pleasure to our partner, but, you know, like, innately.
So where do you begin, like, in your work to to kind of unpack that negotiating, helping people have success with it? Absolutely. And I I would say that that's where a lot of couples get stuck. We're trying to leap to this negotiating part when we haven't developed the first two ends. We haven't gotten this direct pathway open in our body, and we're not good at noticing. And so we're directly trying to create a thing that maybe we maybe we do want it, but we're not good at the other part of it.
So that part has to happen first before the negotiating is gonna be good. And then the other piece is and this is another problem with desire discrepancy and why we have it is there's couples don't have a proven road map. They don't have a framework. They don't have mute they don't have a mutual understanding or a common language or an actual lens to be able to see the problem through. And so that's what I do when I do my couples retreats. It's what I'm teaching my couples.
They're learning how to have that foundation so they have a common language, and they learn how to see through it's almost just like it's like, once it it gels, it's like, oh my gosh. Like, I can see it now. I see why we were having this challenge. And so a lot of what you're speaking to, those threats are drastically reduced because they're sort of there's a clarity there now, and there's a mutual understanding of what's actually going on because my no is not a rejection of somebody else.
Right? And that tends to be how we hear, like, oh my god. I've been rejected. And that's why, you know, why don't we ask for what we want? Well, fear of rejection, fear of being judged, some fear of some sort, usually. Right? Fear of being selfish, fear of hurting my partner's feelings if I speak up for what I want.
But when we have a common understanding and clarity in terms of what role am I playing, what role are you playing, whose desire are we following, when that clarity is there and language is common, the road map is clear, so we reduce a lot of those perceived threats. They become less of an issue, and it becomes something that, ideally, we get really good at at beginning to manage and have a different relationship with. So that that that's not the stance we're coming from.
It's from the threat, the one of those three threats. And I love what you said there that the no is not a rejection. Right?
And I think even just, like, that simple that's why I wanna repeat that because I think that even that that simple understanding is so pivotal for being like, well, if I don't feel rejected, this no doesn't mean a rejection, then it allows us to be much more present in the conversation, I think, curious in the conversation to hear all the other things that are really at the truth and and put the couple back together on that same team. Right? Yeah. Absolutely.
And that's the key is sort of that curiosity and that willingness to the a no doesn't have to be the end of the whole negotiation or the whole conversation, and that that's what happens a lot too. Right? It's like, oh, that didn't go well. He didn't want it. She doesn't want it. So we're just gonna call the whole thing off, and it doesn't have to be that. It can be, okay. You're a no to that request.
So so what else could we come up with that would be within your limits right now that you would be willing to provide or you would be willing to receive? Right? So we work at that level of that's the negotiating part. It doesn't have to be the end of the conversation just because someone's a no to that particular offer at that time. And I think it's so critical. Right? Because we're not taught how to have these conversations. So it's just that that framework of how to do this is is amazing.
And and what about then for women in particular? Because I know you specialize both in couples and women. And I think one of the problems that women find is, oh my gosh. Like, I don't even have the desire. I can't even bring this conversation and get to the name because I don't even want it. I was talking to a a friend of mine this weekend. I saw her, like, three weeks ago, and she had just started she's in perimenopause. It just started hormones, and she was so excited.
And she was like, my libido's back on. Hormones are so fun. And so that was three weeks ago. Now this past weekend, I see her again, and she's like, oh, even with the hormones, her libido went up, and then it's, like, flat lined. Right? So it's stuff that I know we both talk about in our work around, like, hormones are not everything. They're important. We gotta keep balance, but Right. They're not everything. So Yeah. From a standpoint of this desire. Right?
Like, from a standpoint of what is even getting somebody to the conversation to even talk about the discrepancies or talk about their needs, wants, preferences, all these things. What do you find for women? Because we are, you know, very complicated creatures in many ways. What are the what are the root causes of that low desire that you find as commonly?
I mean, you know, in in lot of cases, a lot of women are context oriented contextually, so we're you know, there's something called contextual desire, contextual arousal, where it's really about what's happening in our environment, how are we feeling about our body that day, how do we feel about our relationship, did something happen at work yesterday that didn't go well. So it's we're very plugged into our context generally.
So that can absolutely have an impact on a woman's libido and interest in sex. But there's also other factors that come into play here, and first of all, I really think it's a myth there's this myth out there that, like, women don't want sex as much as men, and women are always the lower desire partners. It's not always true. Like, that was true very much in my story. I totally understand that place, which is why, you know, really love the whole conversation on women's sexuality.
But it doesn't have to be because what's happening is though there's several things. One of the things that happens a lot of times is as women, we don't know our bodies, and we and our partners probably don't either. But our bodies have the same amount of erectile tissue as a man's body. It's just spread out over a larger area.
We tend to need, on average, what the studies have shown on average, it's twenty one or more minutes of, we could say, foreplay stimulation of some sort before we'll be consistently orgasmic during penetrative sex. So there's that. So if we're not giving our bodies time to actually warm up and really be, like, really ready, get us out of our head, get those tissues engorged, get us in a place where we're, you know, not doing the grocery list anymore.
That takes time because we are plugged into our prefrontal cortex. It's the wrong part of the brain for sexual arousal. We wanna be in the parasympathetic nervous system where the the prefrontal cortex is quieted, the brain waves slow down to alpha or theta waves, not the beta, which is the doing mind. So there's that piece that's happening that that over time, if we continue to not understand that or not honor the difference in our body, it will lead to a a loss of interest in sex over time.
The next piece that tends to happen is that it depends on what study you consult, but most men ejaculate in the first two to seven minutes of penetrative sex. And so you can see here the disconnect. Right?
Like, a woman needs 21 of even just foreplay before penetration even happens, much less who knows, you know, once we're in there, if penetration is part of your sexual repertoire, and and it's all over in two minutes, let's say, that is not enough time for her to really drop into what's possible for her. So that can lead to just a disinterest and a shutdown in sex over time where it just becomes about the man. Let me just give it to him because it's what he wants.
There's really nothing in it for her at that point. The last piece here is emotional connection. If that piece is offline, we're not feeling connected to our partner or, you know, again, the contextual piece, something happened at work or, you know, bad you know, just kinda not feeling great about my body that day or how I look, how I smell.
Like, those things all impact our ability to really relax and show up and feel good where we're getting something from the sexual encounter versus it just being for the man. Yeah. I so well say. I think one of the things that that females and men just from a standpoint of, like, the brain function of this such a hard time understanding the other is, like, the ability of the man to, like, just focus so much. And so it's so easy to compartmentalize, right, of, like, okay.
I had a bad day, but I'm putting that over here. And right now, I have my sex brain on. And, like and I think for women, it's like, well, what do you mean? Like, it's all, like, because of women's ability to have this diffuse awareness and take in so much information at once. Yeah. Either these are good or bad. They're just different, you know, skill sets and strains. Right?
And I think it's one of those things where it's like, because of that, because there's so much information coming in for the female brain all the time Yeah. It does take time for it to reroute and to drop into that. And without knowing it, it can be as simple as, like, well, I asked my partner to take out the trash this morning, and he didn't. And now I feel like I'm doing everything. We make up stories, and then we go down this, Yeah. This rabbit hole.
So I think it's really, you know, really important to, you know, look at all those things you're talking about and getting out of that you know, the head there and into into the body. And so totally. Then tell us a little bit too because I'm really curious from a standpoint since one of your focuses is is really in this bridge between spirituality and sexuality. So how do you begin to bring the the spirituality into sexuality, and what does that really look like for you?
Yeah. And, you know, the answer to that is actually very simple, and it's not gonna sound spiritual at all. But I mean, when we're in the when we're in the present moment here now, which some of that is a somatic piece. Right? It's like, am I here in my body right now feeling what there is to feel in this moment? That's an aspect of it. The other piece is just the coming into the right now moment brings us into true. Truth is one of the things that brings us into the right now moment.
And that piece is like, can I really be honest and truthful with myself right now? What am I actually feeling in my body? How am I feeling right now about this moment or what happened between me and my partner? What is it that I really need right now? What's actually happening in this moment? Giving myself complete and total permission to feel that thing even if it's ugly. Right? A lot of times, it's ugly.
It's like, no. Like, I don't wanna admit that I'm really pissed off or I'm really angry or I'm feeling really jealous. You know, like, we're tagging one of the we did not want we'll admit the other things. Oh, I'm hurt or I'm angry, but, you know, we don't wanna admit the ugly stuff.
So it's a matter of can I be honest and truthful of that in myself, and then am I willing to bring that into the relational space and to be witnessed in that, to bring that in relationally as the truth of I feel this right now? When that happened, I experienced it like this. Like, really bringing the truth in brings us into the present moment, and there's nothing more spiritual than the right now moment.
So that's really what the spirituality piece is about, which is very, you know, it's not woo woo. That's not very new age. That's just, like, right here, right now, what's happening. You bring truth in. I promise you, you're gonna have more passion in your relationship. You're definitely gonna start to feel more. More stuff is good. If you're feeling stuck and stagnant, just start telling the truth. That's gonna shift things up real quick.
And I think you're so right about those kinda ugly things. Right? I think even as, like, children, we're not really taught sometimes to be like, disappointment's a normal human emotion. Like, embarrassment's a normal human emotion. Even things like jealousy are normal human emotions. Right? These come up for for humans, and it's not personal. And I think the just like you and I are working to make the conversation around sex less less taboo and just more of like, hey.
How do we talk about this in a really healthy way? Same thing for these types of emotions. Like so I really appreciate that and, like, just naming around. Like, I'm a little embarrassed about this or I feel this and being able to be in the present with those emotions because the more I think we're dropping into the present and practicing that in our life, the more, I think it like I said, it it just it just goes into the the practice of sexuality in the bedroom as well.
Yeah. And it's really you know, the spiritual practice of love is a practice of I like to use the word embrace. So it's not about, let me deny this bad feeling and move on to the next thing or get to the good feeling. That's denial. That's always gonna take us further away from connection, from love, and also from pleasure and from orgasmic experiences, at least what's really available to us, which is much more than just, you know, the climax most of us are familiar with.
It's a lot more available. So the practice of embrace is a spiritual practice of love where we're saying yes to everything that arises in the moment, everything including the shame, the jealousy, the anger, the hatred, the rage, and the love, the pleasure, the joy, the bliss, the silliness, all of it. We're able to embrace and say yes.
Oh, that is one of the most profound and simplest spiritual practices available that, you know, it truly can move the needle if we're willing to be that courageous and take that on as a practice. And I think with that, I think one of the things and I wanna, save the answer to this for our part two and tell our listeners how to get to part two as well. Because I think one of the things that people struggle with in what you're talking about is almost as both and approach. Right?
How can I experience in life? How can I maybe experience something like jealousy or embarrassment or whatever it is, but also experience connection and love at the same time? And it's like Yeah. You know, we get stuck in this either or when we're way more dynamic of of humans than that. And so I I'd like to get into, like, how we really deal with, like, the the paradox around the emotion and how that applies to sex and sexuality.
Yeah. And I know we're also gonna talk in part two, like, the number one question that every couple should know the answer for. So as I'm really so I'm really curious about your number one question and what people should know the answer for. So for everybody that's listening, part two is going to be accessible by joining our libido club.
So if you go into the show notes, you'll see how to join the libido club and where we're featuring other guests like Susan and your monthly ability to get your sex education techniques, so much more. And so look in the show notes for that. But I also wanna make sure before we wrap up this part one that people know how to get ahold of you. I know you have your Pleasure Keys ebook on your website.
We're gonna put that in the show notes as well as your connection code monthly class and information about that. So all of the links of working with Susan will be in the show notes.
But tell us a little bit more about your your free ebook as well as I wanna make sure everybody knows about these retreats you're doing because you guys I've looked at Susan's website and the retreats, and these are just, like, I feel like genius ways that she's bringing couples together for ways of very and very classy ways of helping couples go through these kind of conversations that we're having today and getting the support they need in real time.
Because, of course, we're talking about this here, but if we don't practice it, you know, nothing really works. We gotta put this stuff into practice, and that's some of what Susan's doing in her retreat. So tell us a little bit more about your retreats of your word as well as your free ebook giveaway. Yeah. Absolutely. So ebook is available at pleasurekeys.com. And what's really cool about the ebook is that you were talking about this piece of presence and how do we do that.
That ebook is gonna tell you how to do that. So it's the three keys to deepening pleasure, increasing your orgasmic potential, and creating mutual sexual fulfillment, And that's at pleasurekeys.com. So I hope everyone will grab a copy of that, and it'll give you a little bit more of, like, the how to of some of what we talked about today, Diane. And then, yes, the retreats are fabulous.
The Pleasure Keys retreats, and all the information for those retreats are on my main website at pathwaytopleasure.com. Our next one is coming up here in '20 well, I do them several times a year. We do have one coming up here in a couple of months, but they happen several times a year.
And it's a beautiful way to get away from the craziness of your life and to really dive deep into the experiential learning that needs to happen if we're really gonna move the needle with, coming back into deeper connection and solving this issue of mismatched sexual desire. And I wanna say, you know, at the retreats, they are there's no it's all nonsexual, actually. It'll improve your sex life in every relationship you have. We're not you know, there's no getting naked.
There's no sexual touching really that happens at the retreats. But what you're learning is the the common language, the skill set, and this proven road map that you're gonna be able to use moving forward for the rest of your life, the rest of your relationship, future relationships, etcetera. It's it's the most effective way I found to really help couples move the needle, getting that immersive format.
And then I also do a monthly master class, a free master class called the connection code on the five keys to deepen the connection and resolve the mismatched libido for good. And that information, again, is just on my main website at pathwaytopleasure.com. Perfect. Thank you for all of those offerings. And you guys, again, we'll have all of that in the show notes. I hope you will get download these, you know, these free gifts. Go check out the retreat. Please go check out the retreat.
And make sure you look for the libido club as well below so that you can get part two because we gotta know this question that every couple should know the answer to, and we're gonna talk about that paradox, pleasure, somatic experience, and more in our libido club meeting. So thank you so much for being here with me today. It's been a true pleasure, and thank you everybody for being on another episode of the lounge. Thank you for listening to the libido lounge. Please don't keep me a secret.
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