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Leaving Eden Podcast

Leaving Eden LLCwww.patreon.com

A podcast about the IFB Cult as told by survivor Sadie Carpenter, with her co-host Gavri'el HaCohen. This podcast covers the IFB, the history of the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, other cults, other religions, and the real and present threat that cults and cult ideologies pose to society as a whole. Our goal is to promote freedom of mind, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion.


General Content Warning: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless it’s relevant to the story we’re telling, and we do our best to give the audience a heads-up before going into detail on any of these topics.


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Episodes

Ep. 126: Mike Warnke The Satan Seller (Part 2) (Satanic Panic / Fundamentalism / Conspiracy Theory / Illuminati / New World Order / Witchcraft / Occult / Grifters / John Todd)

Today's episode is the 2nd part of a 2-part episode exploring and debunking the claims make by Mike Warnke in his 1972 book, "The Satan Seller." In this book, Warnke claims to have been a satanic high priest involved with the illuminati, and that he had satanic occult powers to summon demons and put spells on people. These claims launched Warnke's decades-long career as a christian speaker until he was proven to be a liar in the early 1990s by an article in Cornerstone Magazine. Join in as Sadie...

Mar 27, 20231 hr 50 min

Ep. 125: Mike Warnke The Satan Seller (Part 1) (Satanic Panic / Fundamentalism / Conspiracy Theory / Illuminati / New World Order / Witchcraft / Occult / Grifters / John Todd)

Today's episode is the first part of a 2-part episode exploring and debunking the claims make by Mike Warnke in his 1972 book, "The Satan Seller." In this book, Warnke claims to have been a satanic high priest involved with the illuminati, and that he had satanic occult powers to summon demons and put spells on people. These claims launched Warnke's decades-long career as a christian speaker until he was proven to be a liar in the early 1990s by an article in Cornerstone Magazine. Join in as Sad...

Mar 20, 20231 hr 50 min

Ep. 124: Pastors School (IFB / Jack Hyles / Jack Schaap / David Hyles / First Baptist Church of Hammond / FBCH / Fundamentalism / Grooming / Deconstruction / Purity Culture / Christianity / Evangelical)

On today's episode, Sadie and Gavi discuss Pastors School, the massive IFB pastors convention held at First Baptist Church of Hammond every spring. Sadie gives us the history of the event, some truly ludicrous Pastors School stories, the grueling schedule for the attendees, and one deeply inappropriate sermon she was made to listen to when she was a young teenager. In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health...

Mar 13, 20232 hr

Ep. 123: Lori Alexander The Transformed Wife With Jen From Fundie Fridays (Fundie Snark / Fundamentalism / J-Rod / Jill Rodrigues / Michael and Debi Pearl / Misogyny )

On today's amazing crossover, Sadie and Gavi are joined by the reverend Jen of the YouTube channel Fundie Fridays to discuss Lori Alexander, AKA The Transformed Wife. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/art...

Mar 06, 20231 hr 52 min

Ep. 122: Is Toxic Masculinity A Cult? (Manosphere Deep Dive) ( Incels / Misogyny / Andrew Tate / Jordan Peterson / Self Help Guru / Anti-Woke / Gender Critical / Reactionary / Fundamentalism)

In today's episode, Gavi presents an overview of what he has learned over the past 5 months during his deep dive into the manosphere. He and Sadie discuss how the thought patterns that are relied upon for toxic masculinity to operate absolutely share elements with cult control. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual...

Feb 27, 20232 hr 11 min

Ep. 121: Jinger Duggar's Book: Listener Responses/Calvinism (Duggars / Fundie Snark / TLC / 19 Kids And Counting / Counting On / IBLP / IFB / Reformed Doctrine / John MacArthur / Jeremy Vuolo)

In this episode, Sadie and Gavi discuss a few additional details of Jinger Duggar Vuolo's book, Becoming Free Indeed . They then read and react to listener responses regarding the prospective doctrines with which Jinger is raising her children. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podc...

Feb 20, 20231 hr 18 min

Ep. 120: Why Heathens Have Better Sex Than Christians (Paul and Morgan / Girl Defined / Fundie Sex Influencers / Purity Culture / Dating / Relationships / Valentine's Day )

On this Valentine's Day special, Sadie and Gavi discuss sex advice from notorious fundie sex influencers Paul & Morgan and Girl Defined. Later, they are joined by sex therapist Liat Fruman to get a qualified professional's take on this advice. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse inc...

Feb 13, 20232 hr 20 min

Ep. 119: Becoming Free Indeed: We Read Jinger Duggar Vuolo's New Book So That You Don't Have To (Fundie Snark / IBLP / Fundamentalism / Cult Stories / Calvinism / Theology / Religion / Jesus / Christianity / Bill Gothard / Sex Pest Josh Duggar)

Sadie and Gavri'el review Jinger Duggar Vuolo's new book, Becoming Free Indeed. Related Episodes: Calvinism: Episode 117 Bill Gothard and the IBLP: Episodes 42, 43, and 70 Duggar Family Rundowns: Episodes 16. 17, 75, and 76 Josh Duggar Trial/Duggar Update episodes: The Pest Arrested Special Episodes: May. 1-6 2021 Josh Duggar Trial Special Episodes: Dec. 4-9 2021 Josh Duggar Sentencing Special: May 25 2022 An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subsc...

Feb 06, 20232 hr 38 min

Ep. 118: The King James Bible Code (Numerology / Theology / KJVO / Conspiracy / Solving Puzzles / Easter Eggs / Fundamentalism / Proof / Cypher / Da Vinci Code / National Treasure / Religion / IFB)

On today's episode, Sadie explains the numerological "evidence" that fundamentalists use to prove that the King James Version of the Bible is the full and complete word of God in English. Sadie and Gavi explore the logical fallacies that these "proofs" rely upon. They then explore the much murkier waters of "Bible Code" and how this is used for divination and fortune telling and prophecy in fundamentalist circles. A FREE source post for this episode is located on our Patreon page, Patreon.com/Le...

Jan 30, 20231 hr 46 min

Ep. 117: Calvinism (Christianity / Protestant Reformation / Theology / TULIP / Predestination / Salvation / Religion / Jesus / God / Holy Spirit / Baptist / IFB / Arminianism / Evangelical)

On today's episode, Sadie and Gavri'el give a broad overview of Calvinism, including its history, its main doctrinal points, (TULIP) and why it has recently seen such a resurgence in popularity. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll...

Jan 23, 20232 hr 2 min

Ep. 116: Let's All Get Triggered By Fundie Children's Music (NIGHTMARE FUEL) (IFB / Fundamentalism / Religion / Christianity / Songs / Church / React / Theology / Racism / Jeopardy / Jesus)

Sadie and Gavri'el play a jeopardy-inspired game show in which they react to various IFB children's songs. These songs are categorized from "mostly OK" to "Christian Nationalism," to "IFB Doctrines" to "Toxic Positivity" to "Otherwise Problematic." Please enjoy at your own risk. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexua...

Jan 16, 20231 hr 58 min

Ep. 115: What Did Jesus Look Like? (Christianity / Judaism / Religion / Moses / Israelites / Hebrew / IFB / Fundamentalism / Heaven / Theology / King David / Solomon / Art History / Judea)

In today's episode, Sadie describes the IFB's rules about depictions of Jesus and Gavi examines multiple theories of what Jesus and other biblical figures might have looked like. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at leas...

Jan 09, 20231 hr 43 min

Ep. 114: Jonestown, Jim Jones, and The People's Temple (Cult Stories / True Crime / Guyana / Commune / Compound / Kool Aid / Flavor Aid / Mass Suicide / Revolution / Communism / Death )

In what is quite possibly Leaving Eden Podcast's most requested episode ever, Sadie and Gavi discuss Jonestown, The People’s Temple, and the massacre that occurred there in November of 1978.TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll ment...

Jan 02, 20232 hr 35 min

Ep. 113: Gavi Visits First Baptist Church of Hammond / Hebrew Hammer (Exfundie / Deconstruction / Christmas / Hanukkah / Chanukah / Jack Hyles / Jack Schaap / Jesus / Andy Dick / Religion / Film)

For the final episode of 2022, Sadie and Gavi discuss the film "The Hebrew Hammer." Gavi recounts his impressions of First Baptist Church of Hammond after seeing it in person. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.spotif...

Dec 19, 20221 hr 25 min

Ep. 112: Sadie Explains Why The King James Version Is(n't) The Only Valid Bible Translation (Fundamentalism / Theology / History / Documentary / Religion / Christianity / Baptist / KJVO / IFB / Hyles)

In today's episode, Sadie recounts the history of various bible translations into Greek, Latin, and finally English, and why the Fundamentalists are so insistent that the King James version is the ONLY valid word of God in english. This documentary-style episode is truly fascinating, and cuts to the core of the beliefs of fundamentalism. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, ...

Dec 12, 20222 hr 11 min

Ep. 111: Potato Salad, Potlucks Dinners, and Pimento Cheese: We Talk About Food (Again) (Church / IFB / Fundamentalism / Ambrosia / Mayonnaise Cake / Cheeseburger Soup / Tater Tot Casserole)

In this episode, Sadie and Gavri'el talk about food, potluck dinners, and Sadie's happiest childhood memories. Gavi's opinions on food have evolved from last time, and Sadie is no longer suffering from pregnancy-related nausea, so this time should be much better. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream th...

Dec 05, 20221 hr 35 min

Ep. 110: Is Hillsong A Cult? (Pentacostal / Megachurch / Assebmblies of God / Charismatic / Contemporary Christian Music / Abuse / Control / Justin Bieber / Carl Lentz / Brian Houston / Christianity)

On Today's episode, Sadie and Gavir'el discuss the International Hillsong Megachurch. They discuss contemporary christian music, the Hillsong brand, the association with celebrities, and all of the various scandals surrounding the leadership, ministry, and seminary in order to determine whether or not Hillsong qualifies as a cult using Stephen Hassan's BITE model. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast Th...

Nov 28, 20221 hr 57 min

Ep. 109: Is It A Cult? Kanye West's Donda Academy and Sunday Service (Personality Cult / Music / Religion / Christianity / Hillsong / Bieber / Kardashian / Ye / Education / Fashion / Hip Hop / Rap)

In this episode, Sadie and Gavi take what they learned about personality cults and apply the concepts to Kanye West. Specifically, they examine Kanye's Sunday Service celebrity church and his Donda Academy private christian grade school. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast the...

Nov 21, 20222 hr 5 min

Ep. 108: Cult of Personality (Fundamentalism / Religion / Celebrity / Politics / Psychology / Manipulation / Gaslighting / Kanye West / Elon Musk / Beyonce / Taylor Swift / Donald Trump / BITE Model)

On today's episode, we discuss personality cults, also known as micro-cults. Sadie and Gavi discuss how these cults function, how they are similar or different to traditional cults and abusive relationships, how they form, the types of people who are likely to have them, the behaviors exhibited by personality cult members, and what the ethics around having one are. An extended, uncensored, and ad-free version of this podcast episode is available to subscribers at Patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast W...

Nov 14, 20221 hr 40 min

Ep. 107: (True Crime) The Return of Paul Sand AKA Edward Wayne Farris (Duty 2: The Deuce) (Murder / Texas / Jack Hyles / IFB / Fundamentalism / Sermon Illustration / Cult / Brainwashing / Christian)

Today is a great day in the world of the Leaving Eden Podcast, because it marks the return of Sadielock Holmes and Nancy Jew. Sadie and Gavi revisit the mystery of Paul Sand (Episode 26), a "true" story put forward by Jack Hyles in his famous sermon, "Duty." A tip from listener Casey Atkins (Thank you Casey!) points them in the direction of the 1964 murder of Agnes Farris, at the hand of her husband, Edward Wayne Farris. Certain details are too consistent to be coincidence. Other details are irr...

Nov 07, 20221 hr 26 min

Ep. 106: The Demon Test (Bob Larson Exorcist Extrordinaire) (Occult / Satanic Panic / Fundamentalism / Religion / Christianity / Jesus / Exorcism / Generational Sin / Curse / Racism / Fundie Snark)

In today's episode, Sadie and Gavi discuss the extrordinary exploits of exorcist Bob Larson. From his humble roots to his *interesting* theology to his time touring with legendary thrash metal band, Slayer. After viewing footage of Bob Larson performing exorcisms, Sadie and Gavi take a questionnaire from Larson's website to determine the likelihood of whether either or both of them suffer from demonic posession or oppression. The answer may surprise you! Sources for this episode are available on...

Oct 31, 20222 hr 20 min

Ep. 105: The Burning Hell (Spooky / HELLoween / Halloween / Theology / Bad Movie / Film Review / Fundamentalism / Exploitation / Grindhouse Gospel / Baptist / Sin / Bible / 1970s / Genre / B-Movie)

On today's episode, Sadie introduces Gavi to this terribly entertaining entry in fundamentalist filmmaking, "The Burning Hell." (1974) This entire film is available to watch on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8VkciG1jo CW: This episode contains an extended discussion of Hell. WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/artist/6lB7Rw...

Oct 24, 20221 hr 33 min

Ep. 104: Agape Boarding School (Troubled Teen Industry / TTI / Abuse / Fundamentalism / Christianity / Physical / Sexual / Emotional / True Crime / Kidnapping / Legal Case / Justice / IFB / Roloff)

In this episode, Sadie and Gavi discuss the abusive Agape boarding school in Missouri, and the looming threat that it posed to fundamentalist kids growing up. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these top...

Oct 17, 20221 hr 51 min

Ep. 103: Leaving Springfield (Christianity On The Simpsons) (Exfundie / TV / Religion / Cartoons / Comedy / Censorship / Exvangelical / Animation / Homer / Marge / Bart / Lisa / Maggie)

We thought we'd take a break from the heavier topics we've been covering to talk about the portrayal of religion and Christianity on our favorite cartoon, The Simpsons! WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/artist/6lB7RwSQ9X5gnt1BDNugyS?si=jVhmqFfYRSiruRxekdLgKA. Join our Facebook Discussion group! https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexo...

Oct 10, 20221 hr 27 min

Ep. 102: Why Do People Become Fundie? (Deconstruction / Mental Health / High Pressure Tactics / Love Bombing / Trauma / Adverse Life Experiences / Cult Stories / Fundamentalism / Jesus)

In this episode, Sadie takes us through the four main ways in which people get sucked into fundamentalism In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including guilt, shame, and fear. In most episodes we’ll mention at least a few of these topics, but we try very hard to avoid graphic detail unless ...

Oct 03, 20221 hr 26 min

Ep. 101: Fundie Influencers (Paul and Morgan Oliges / Kelly Havens Stickle) (Fundie Snark / Pregnancy / Instagram / YouTube / Flickr / Tumblr / Mental Health / Homestead / Cosplay / Culture War)

On today's episode, Sadie and Gavi look at two Christian fundie influencer channels. Specifically, those belonging to Paul and Morgan Oliges, and Kelly Havens Stickle. While these two channels seem like complete opposites on the surface, Sadie is able to find a few interesting similarities. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/Eden for 10% off your first month of online therapy. WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.c...

Oct 01, 20222 hr 16 min

Ep. 100: EPISODE 100/2 YEAR ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION! (How To Listener Questions and Other Fun Stuff) (LGBTQ / Personal Finance / Exfundie / Introvert / Extrovert / Future / Past / Dave Ramsey)

Sadie and Gavri'el celebrate two years of podcasting and 100 episodes by answering YOUR listener questions! They cover topics ranging from coming out as an LGBTQ person, trying to maintain friendships with people still in fundamentalism, and personal finance! They reminisce on their favorite episodes so far, as well as the episodes that they have coming up! At the end, Sadie and Gavri'el share a special memory of Sadie's father who tragically passed earlier this year and who was such a wonderful...

Sep 19, 20222 hr 16 min

Ep. 99: Cult Leader Jack Schaap Is Out Of Prison (and hasn't registered as a sex offender) (Fundamentalism / FBCH / Jesus / Christianity / Religion / Church Abuse / Scandal / Legal Update)

Jack Schaap has been out of prison all summer. Within days of his release, he is required by law to register as a sex offender. He has not done this. Sadie and Gavi are looking into just how he manages to get away with this. Content Warning: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physical, and sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse including gui...

Sep 12, 20221 hr 12 min

Ep. 98: Bob Jones University (BJU) (Cult College / Fundamentalism / Abuse Scandal / Victim Blaming / Racism / KKK / Strom Thurmond / Ku Klux Klan / Ex-fundie / Exvangelical / Christian Education)

At BJU they'll have you on your knees until you're filled with the holy spirit, and when Jesus comes, you'll be prepared. This week, Sadie takes Gavi through the controversial history of this legendary fundamentalist university, and through the history of fundamentalism in the 20th century. TW: In general we talk about a lot of potentially triggering topics on this show, including but not limited to suicide and mental health, racism, misogyny, PTSD and PTSD symptoms, child abuse, mental, physica...

Sep 05, 20222 hr 21 min

Ep. 97: How To Enjoy Live Music And Dancing (Sinning / Fun / Purity Culture / Theology / Exfundie / Exvangelical / IFB / Exifb / Fundamentalism / Cult Stories)

In this episode, Sadie discusses how she learned to be comfortable moving in her own body without being afraid of attracting attention. Then, Sadie and Gavri'el encourage listeners to get involved in their local music scene! PLEASE SEND US YOUR HOW TO QUESTIONS FOR OUR HOW TO SERIES AT LeavingEdenPod@Gmail.com WE HAVE NEW MERCH AVAILABLE, AND A NEW MERCH SHOP, at https://leavingedenpodcast.threadless.com Stream the Leaving Eden Podcast theme song, Rolling River of Time on Spotify! https://open.s...

Aug 29, 20221 hr 58 min
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