"Scream 2 Dream" (w/ Shannon O'Neill)

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How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, well you are on this little soap box all of a sudden right before we started recording. So how doy you mentioned that? Okay, what's going on? I have a prediction for the world. Okay, I be leave. And we were talking with our guests about this because she mentioned seeing a young person playing a certain kind of toy and the toy was one of those ding ding dingk things, like like a simple toy. Yes, colloquially they're known as ding ding ding things. Of course,

thank you. It's rule of culture number eight. It's a ding ding dingk thing, those toys. And here's what I believe. I believe that Yo Yo's and the like are coming back because I think that kids are going to start rejecting technology. Now you might ask where what I have to back this up? None of them do Facebook, And I think that the snapchat and Instagram thing is now

such like a young person thing. They get tired of ship quick and I think, like, I just think, I actually think, like you know how when you look back at certain decades and there and you're like, oh, the fad of that decade was that. I almost think in a way social media will be like that for tens. But not that it's a fat because I think obviously a social media is here to stay, and like the

expanse of technology is here to stay. But I think we'll look back at this time and be like that was like the age of like Instagram and Twitter being like ruling everyone's last and gen Z is going to be the ones to take us out of that. I mean, there's got to be something I love that. I love that idea. Did I have a smart thought? You always do, and you don't give yourself enough credit. You're right, You're right, and this is the journey that we're going on. Matt.

You're always smart, though no I'm frequently dumb. That's you did, you did? Why we're very transparent here. I feel that you have spent too much money on clothing for events literally, but this is the thing that I've tell us the thing Okay. So um was that in l A. And the day that I met Sandra whoa I was on I was. It just set me and such an emotional high. Gave me such an emotional high that the next day I went to I was like, I'm gonna I have

to do this event. I'm gonna reward myself with a nice piece of clothing for this event that that will pay for itself the more times I wear it and other things. Always the best responsible fiscal way to go about things that you're going to reward yourself. Um. And

so I did that. Then then saw Sudie Green that day, um before the joke read where like all of our stuff was going to be like anonymously read by Andy and Sandra and like it really and then like but anyway, So I meet with Sudie and I'm like, I just spent so much money on my talk but I don't care. I deserve it. And then she goes, yeah, I meant so I spent so much money on my on my jumpsuit but whatever. And I was like, Okay, how much

money did you spend? And she was like like two and I was like oh, And I was like, you can literally just added zero to that, and that's how much I put up. It was literally that much. So you're a psycho. And so I felt really guilty about that. And then we do the joke read and then my stuff like it's fine, it like lands, it does okay, but it doesn't like kill. And then Sandra comes over and we like talk about something, and like she's she has notes for the spit that we wrote together, and

she's like, actually changed this and this and this. I don't think this is working. Like so to have that coupled with like me not doing well in that space like with her like me like not there was no way not nailing it. I was like, damn it, like you were in a man veritable fugue state. But but then like after that, I was like it was pure self flagellation, Like I am a piece of ship. Why I spent so much money on this. I tried returning it.

They literally fucked me over because they were like, well, we had to sew on button, so that counts as an alteration, so you can't return it. And I wait a minute, and this fucking guy at the saxfith Avenue, the manager at the Saxfith Avenue Men's formal Clothing, and it was guy, well, yeah, sure, it's not that gendered. No, no,

they're bad. Keep going. So she talks and then I'm so then over the front, I'm just like, I'm I just I wasn't told about the button alteration, and frankly, I just I was very up front about my my budget and like, I just can't justify the price point the price and he goes, well, maybe you should, and then he maybe you should have thought of that before you made purchase. I was like, fuck you, I'm not gonna get gough from someone who like but when they

work at the talk to you like that. Yeah, well, whatever he gets, he has to like swim in footies all fucking day, so his life sucks. And if you work in retail, I'm god bless you, um, but he particularly sucks. UM. I think this is I talked about this in therapy today and I've let it go. My guilt is sort of I've I've sort of relinquished all that guilt and it's not I'm happy that you said you did this humanized as you for the listeners who

think of you as an untouchably intelligent being. Um, I'm not. I'm so stupid, so stupid. But it's fine. It's not stupid at the literal, the diametric opposite of stupid. She truly is a genius, a leader, a genius, I mean leader in the community. Remember the first time comedy. Of course that's a community I'm referencing. Do you remember the

first time you saw her perform? I was I was one of those fucking obnoxious They're not obnoxious, but I would wait in line for ask some of them are well whatever the the as Cat line culture, we were obnoxious when we were in nineteen sitting out there waiting for them. Now once the best version of themselves in the as Cat line Famous Famous Things of Culture number twenty seven, No one is the best version of themselves in the as Cat line. But saw her doing as

Cat then got into Stepfathers. I was like, this person is actually this is kind of cookie. But I didn't see as Cat until years and years and ye, that's fine. Actually my first as Cat show was when Sudie Green did monologue so fun. That is actually the first time I ever went in. That was years later and but I was like a weekend team like well, of course, like I used to go see step Brothers all the time,

I would always go see um Law Firm. Like I remember, I realized the first time I saw Brian FoST perform was like ten years ago in law Firm, Like, what are whatever law firm? Can we fact factack this with our guest? No? Um, I don't know if law Firm has been around on whatever he was on. I know I've remember seeing him like years and years ago, and my favorite team was whatever team. Oh well, that was when I got obsessed with fran of course I was

obsessed with Franko. Um. But anyway, we're not talking about her, but you can see her on TV if you don't have access to a New York improvisational sphere, so you can see her on TV. She's in the upcoming show The Other Two. What you know we've been chatting about, Actually you're doing weeks of Other Two programming and she in her episode. I love that to that block. I love that up so much. And she is in the upcoming season making a return appearance. They don't do this

for all the characters. I'm not everybody in High and High maintenance. She she's she's doing a reprise, baby, and that is huge. I thought your episode was so fucking funny. We'll talk about this in season two. Uh please welcome shouting. I'm so bad at taking compliments, but thank you so much. Well, this thing is like when you have like a storied like the thing is like, I I get that because it's like, it's a lot, like especially when you've done as much as you it's like and you know you've

done a lot. I've been around a while and you've you've done, You've done the work. You're taking on the work, so you know what. You sit there and you take this. I demand it. I demand that. Well, whenever I have someone that I really respected, like when Tammy Saker came in, we were just like each other screaming all the praise that we felt for her. But and it's all deserved, it wouldn't come. It wouldn't be authentic or genuine. And if it weren't true, Can I slam the guests that

was here before? Yeah? I think I think they're really deaf and I need to turn my headphones down a little bit. Wait, Okay, he's a really loud So apparently Brandon Scott Jones is very deaf. He's very deaf. Yeah, is this better? But we'll talk at your this is me, that's you, this is me, and you know, louder a little louder. But I feel like you respond to that's go. I'll try hers on and I'll be like, now so loud, Matt good who I am? But I'm a very loud person.

We should appreciate people that project talk about Brandon's got john Um, well he's deaf sweaty um. No, I can't. I like that literally the best. I love him so much. I walked in before and I saw him and I was like, oh, it's a good day. He's someone this sounds gross. Joy, he's joy. He's someone who want He's going to sound gross when he sweats. I don't mind. Oh, I was just kidding about that. He's a sunny guy and I think he'd copped to that. But when he

sweats him like it's a good look on him. Well, he sticks to the outfit. Like he'llby on stage and have a hoodie and a T shirt, but he won't take the hoodie off and sweating, so he like sticks to the outfit. Yeah, that's A thing I think with us is when we pick out a look, it's like you stick to the look especially and you know a certain space is going to be hot. The Chelsea space

hot on stage, I'm not remembering its usually cold. No, Chelsea was pretty good unless the A C was on the on the on the Fritz, which is a um A common thing with all UCB spaces, but the Chelsea one was not. Didn't go on the frits too much or during Douglas Marathon if there's too many normally. No, if you think that, if you think about all the air conditioning in the world, terrifying, it's a lot, truly

the scale it could keep you up at night. Yeah, but I didn't grow up their conditioning really outside of Philly and Pennsylvania. But it just like we just didn't have it because it like we couldn't afford it. And so actually my mom we had an air conditioner that she gave to the neighbors. So the Knaps had our air conditioner. But I just the Naps. They're nice, nice older couple who were very sweet to me. Sometimes they were nice. They took care of me when my mom

was like at work and stuff. If I needed something. If I got like bit by a carpenter b and I was heard screaming in my backyard, Mr Nap came running over and being like, what's happening? So I just learned to sleep and live without it, and you can do it. So was a young person, a fan heavy house. I had like a yeah, I had like a well are. It was a split level, so our reck room was always cool because there was like shade on it. And so yeah, heat rises, so hung out a lot in

the reck room. If I had to, I'd sleep down there. But a fan. I love sleeping with a fan on my face. Yeah, I enjoyed that as well. But the air any resentment towards your mother for giving the air conditioner treat the naps because it was a kind gesture because they were an older couple and they and we didn't need it. And my mom still doesn't have one. She's like seventies. She just learns to live. But don't

you think she did enjoy one. No. Now, it's just like a force of this is the way I live my life, conditional list And I don't think our house can handle like the house can handle it. The outlets, you know, and the not a power any C gives and she would always be thinking about that, Yeah, that that that wattage baby, well yeah, or like the air conditioner pulling the window out. She would just be like

the window, yeah, the house. Every time, every time I put in my air conditioner, it is your risk that I'll kill someone. I'm not good at that. Like when you put in the air conditioning, and like, that's not a good that's not a thing I should be doing. Mine's screwed in minds permanent in my apartment. That's that's

what you want. Yeah, that's what you want. And I feel like, you know, with this green New deal that AOC is we're bringing, we're all about it right now, but come the summer, we're not gonna want to be giving up our that is that is intentional. AOC knows that we we're gonna want to be on board for a green New deal in the winter. That's what That's what the whole horrhle game is. I never trusted her. I never trusted her. What a lie you always request

when the guard is down? Exactly, Hello, through this world? You go through this world? Now, Okay, tell us more about the NEPs to be honest, because I want you to talk about your upbringing in Pennsylvania in really with the Naps as the reference point. Okay, uh so the NEPs lived across the street, um, and they were an older couple. They had kids that were out of the house and like their kids would come over and their grandkids. But um, they always my mom was like a single

single mom, just like me and my mom. I have two brothers. But some reason they lived with my dad. That's something I can unpack somewhere else. The men go with the men and the girls girls in the Naps in the end, probably okay, but so yeah, then Knips would always like I was like a latchkey kid, so I always knew if I had an issue, I could

go to the Knaps. They were very kind. Um, there was a um I love basketball and they knew I love basketball, Like I saved up one summer so I could buy the basketball hoop for the for my driveway. And there was this They had a VHS to VHS recorder. So if you went to the Blockbuster or what was it wasn't Blockbuster yet, but it was it was like it was a Baskin Robbins that had a video store next to it, and that's where we would go to

get our movies. This is pre yes, So if there's a movie that I loved, then my mom would be like she would take it to the naps and be like, I gotta return this by Thursday. Can you make a copy for Shannon? And they would do it. And there was this one movie I really loved called the Um it was I'm gonna get the name wrong. It's like Pistol Pete the Pete Meyrivitch story. It was like a kind of like a Hallmark original type of movie, but

it's like this awesome story about Pete ma Merovitch. He's a basketball player and like him as a little kid and like scrawny little working his way comes an NBA player in the end. But um, they made a copy of it for me and I it's like I always remember that because like I loved watching it, and I got to watch it all the time because of the

next next. Yeah, you never forget those good neighbors. There was a woman who lived next to her name was Mary Anne, and my mom did hair in the house, so she she would come over every like and she I used to like sit there and watch my mom do these women's hair, and so I would pick up the way that suburban women talk to each other. So whenever they'd go to tip my mom and she was like a really good friend of theirs. My mom woulda go, no, you don't have to do that. Stop stop, don't do that.

Stop it out of here. No, no, no no. And Marianne one time said to me, Um, I want you to come over and I want you to pick out a video game for Nintendo and you can pick anyone you want. And I literally said, no, stop, don't do that. You don't have to do that. Stop it. That's not that's too much. And she got mad at me, like I was being disrespectful. And my mom was literally watching it like a car record. She was like, no, he's trying to do the thing where like he's and the

woman didn't get it. She was like, what's wrong with my video games? And all of a sudden became this like long island like thing. But she was a nice lady. It's in my house. She's not looking on my house. She thought, like when I when she left, my mom was like, you know that, Mary, and she's crazy. We're not going over to her house. But it was just me being like trying to be like a fourty year

old woman, like stop it. And that's were good, I think once and when they and they both eventually they did once they both passed away, it really affected my mom because like that was that was like who she could go to to like another neighbor was like upsetting her, like she could you know, she was having like she had this like like this couple. So now my mom

doesn't really have that. She does she has the chiavo Is a couple of houses down that they kind of like we'll look out for my mom for like certain things, and like Mr Schiavo was my mom's lawn, will give her a discount when he knows that she doesn't have the money that month. He's there's like some good souls, but there's some there's some nasties, but some nasties now And I'm not I'm not there to help. You're not there to be the nep No, no, I wish I could.

Were there a lot of kids on the street when you were growing up? Um? Yeah, one of my best friends, Holly In she grew up on my street and that's when we had like school closed for snowstorms. Go to Holly AND's. She had a Nintendo. We'd played Nintendo. There was one bad storm that was like two weeks that we had off because it was so bad and it was Yeah, it was like a long time. I think it was like kind of came after like a winter break.

It was like a winter break into it was like this like were missing, like basketball games were canceled and that pissed me off. Um, I love basketball. You won't even see like that's that's like a real love for basketball though, because even even though I loved sports and I as a kid, like if a game got canceled up, like that's cool, we can we can play at home now you wanted to play because they don't really reschedule

those because like sometimes you'll lose out on it. M Yeah, there was Hollyan and there was a button and then Cody Rosenberg was awesome. My eight kind of have a Rosenberg. Cody Rosenberg. Mike Pizzy was like a couple of years younger but hung out. We got Mike Puzzy and I got in trouble because remember did you make your you and your friends make each other faint? Okay, I mean like we we would try to, but we didn't know how.

But I know what you're saying. That was like that, that was like, you know, that was like a trend. You know what we did. We did that thing where it was like you dead arm each other, like punching each other in the arm until like you couldn't move it or punched dead where you know the punch with no We would make each other faint and so um where you bend over. Don't do this at home. Well, I get in trouble. I don't care, listeners. I know

you're so stupid, but don't do this at home. At home, you bend over at the waist and you take like deep heavy breaths while you're bent over, and then as soon as you stand up against a wall and you take two hands against your neck, I have done. I have done. And then it's tear and then you and

then you pass out. But you have the most vivid dreams, like you're only out for like ten seconds fifteen seconds, but you feel like you would feel like you've been dreaming for forever, and they're so vivid and insane that I was like I kind of got addicted to those crazy those dreams would have yeah, because then you can and then you come out of it, and your friends would either be like freaked out because or like you were shaking and we couldn't wake you up there like

ten seconds. But Mike Pizzy and I did it, and he he instigated it, and I was like, sure, let's do it, and then somehow got back to his mom, and his mom then called my mom, and my mom was Matt's like, why did you make Mike Pizzy faint? And I was like, no, Mike Izzy, Sorry, I keep saying Pizzy. It's not it's my it's Pusy, it's Mike Izzy. And I was like that sounds weird, and then I was like it was. I was like, he instigated it. I was like I did it. But it's like we

both are equally at fault. Where is he? What do we know what he's doing? I do not know his mom. His parents still live in the neighborhood in the same house. Um uh, like text every now and then. We've kind of lost touch, but it's still like we can text each other. I don't think I have any friends from like elementary school. I have one. I have one listener

from middle school. Claire Canary and by the way back in the day, she was like, she was like hanging with the cool kids, and it was like, okay, she's untouchable. I can't really like there's no like social thing here. But like every now and then she'll be like, I just listened to the episode so funny. I'm like, you were like, which is just? Which is sweet? In the end, I have a question for you, guys. Yeah, he's smacking his lips. My best friend from when I was in

kindergarten in first grade. His name, his first name was Billy. I will not say his full name because that would we discovered at the same time Celine Dion and Mariah Carry and all the pop What we would do is we would sit in his room and just listen and listen to listen, and you know who he was obsessed with as a kindergartener. No, I was obsolution. He didn't like Shannaia actually, and it was a source of contention. He loved Robin, who was at the time she yes,

show me my Number one its song growing up. Yeah, so Robin dancing on my own. Robin was a pop star in kindergarten. Well, like we could debate, I will look it up. I guarantee it was not that long, al right. Not. All I'm knowing is all I can tell you is that six when I was this age in first grade, let's say like this kid was obsessed

with Robin and I never got Robin. But what I'm saying is sorry, my question is And then after that he kind of became like like sort of like a swaggy, kind of like white kid who was like like like a little eminem kid the worst like and he kind of masculinized and like started to wear like the flat brim hats and started to get very like you know, this is in first grade he started doing this. Was like he started to do this in like fourth fifth grade as we kind of separated and then I moved away,

but I lost touch with him. And I want to know, do you think the fact that at five years old, you're instinct is to worship Celine Dion that that says something about you and your essence is billy gay. This is tough, and is he my sul mate? I'm not the right person now because because when I was five and worshiping Celendion, I was in Montreal, where that was like you had to do right. You don't know you had to do that if you read it. Where's this

that it feels like he started to rebel from his instincts. Yes, whether it's a I don't think I wouldn't be able to attach sexuality to it, but I think at least maybe there was some he started to feel ashame of what he really enjoyed that so he could be he could still be a straight guy. But there's some strangaun't some repression of like, oh I can't like this because

that means I'm something else. I'm a doesn't. Our second Gary teacher literally shamed us because we both knew all the words to tell him by sleep and we wrote it down to you. She she was like, all right out and here's the thing instead of okay, this is fucked up, because this is a deep revealing thing about myself.

So we would have like journal time and instead of writing my own stories, I would write down all the lyrics to like Mariah Carey songs and Mariah carry songs back like at that time they were actually the vocabulary she used like was actually kind of what's my favorite thing? She still uses crazy like like she used words like incessantly and nonchalantly and like all these things that I knew these words from Mariah Carey, and so I would literally just verbade him write the lyrics to her songs

because I loved them so much. And my teacher one day said, you're not at this level of The second grade teacher was like, I have to read this one thing that matt wrote. And she's like she read the words to tell him out loud and billy and I had written it again the whole class. I was like, no, and it was fully like a love song about a man to the whole class. To the whole class, she

did this and it was just so embarrassing. And then I remember I moved to a different school, not because of that, but I moved to my next school that I went to. I did the same thing in third grade, and my teacher, Miss patruly like found she found the lyrics to like emotions by Mariah Carrey, like in my in my book. And she would write notes back and she was like, Matthew, this story is so beautiful. She obviously wasn't like a Mariah fa okay, were you just

she was like, this is so beautiful. You're so advanced, like the feeling in this poem is incredible and it was like literally like Mariah at twenty four, like her I had of her pop stardom. You wait, can you look back at the first experience where you say you felt like you were ashamed? Can you replay that in your mind? And was it her? It was just feel like a leading question, like it was her shaming you

or was it her? Like surprised by it, but like you were, you were embarrassed, so you felt like it was shamed, but maybe she was celebrating you can you can you look at its definitely her being like, let me read this out loud because I think it's funny. I think she thought it was funny, and I remember everyone was laughing and we were laughing too, and I was like, it's a song, it's a song, and she

was like, okay, whatever. But I remember she remember like funny to her, but funny to kindergarteners is going to be like different. And I feel like, looking back, should she have done that? But shaming of teachers? But this kid, yeah, you don't forget no, and they're often they do it often. I remember that's I had a teacher who after the Columbine shooting. Well, she was very affected by the Columbine shooting.

And she made us stand in a circle and hold hands and sing the song hands by jewel my hands, but they're not. We had to do this, that's beautiful. And then weeks wearing trench coats. The weeks later when we were bad at recess, you're bad at recess. We were bad at but bad behavior during Yeah, we didn't do recess right. We were badly behaved at reese. And the lunch monitor that would like help us, like play you or whatever, like facilitate us like having a recess

came back and said, this is what's happening. And then my teacher came back. And only looking back now do I realize how funked up from Columbine she must have been, because she was like, you know, this is exactly how Columbine happened, but what was your behavior? I think we were like I think we were like not listening to one person who wanted to play something different. I mean, what could it possibly have been. It couldn't have been crazy, but she literally and then now looking back, I'm like,

she was obviously a very scared teacher. She was just was shaken and emotional about the fact that this happened in the school and wanted so badly us to like be part of the change. And she was just I think she was emotionally she was very jarred and still feeling after shocks. But my question is, going back to the Mariah lyrics, would you just write the lyrics down? Bat You wouldn't even not an original creative on the pain,

no filler, Like it wasn't like other characters dialogue. Then, so you wrote the lyrics down and then you that passed as a story to your team because she didn't know what it was from and it was I just she just maybe she just wasn't a Mariah fan, so she then thought it was so when she read it, she thought it was the first one the first teacher to the second teacher. The second the first teacher, I think she didn't look into it as much. She kind

of just shamed me and moved on. But the third, the third grade teacher, I had was like fully praising me from my there's no narrative arc to you just writing down like nothing in the second person was poems. Yeah, she just thought they were like these incredible poems that are right. I was right, And you wrote like You've got me feeling emotions deeper than I ever dreamed of, higher than heavens about it happens above higher. You know the way to make me lose control when you're looking

into my eyes? Did you make me feel so if you really think about it, it's fucked up. It's a nail. That's a great that's a perfect sketch. That is great. But and this is the thing that this is the thing about Maria that I think people haven't fully zoned and not like like like zoomed in on. Is the reason she has such a funny vocabulary in her lyrics is because she's an adverb queen. Even in um, get the funk out, she goes my Prince was so unjustly handsome, incessantly,

she's always using vocab. Yeah, inevitably like she loves to end on al y words. So she's an adverb queen. That's specifically I want to be the first person to say on recorded media that Mariah Carey is an adverb queen. Also, like the weird words like and like always a maybe where she's like, You'll always be a part of me, and definitely definitely. It's like it definitely, but it works,

it works well, it works well. Okay, Um, Shannon, I think this is the time in the show where we ask you the question we ask all of our guests because clearly now we're talking about our cultures. Cultures. Yeah, And I was that's not my culture. It's like Mariah, but I don't. I was like, oh, that's not the music I listened to when I was up, But it listened to a lot of music. That's fine. It could it could be. It could be the pistol Pete thing. But what was the culture that made you say? Culture?

Was for me, the culture that made you move into a cultural direction? Um, it would be Um Letterman. Yeah, like Carson, Like Carson Letterman. I used to Letterman. Yeah, just definitely because he was Um. I liked um watching Carson, Uh, because he was a good interviewer and like I would love specific guess that he would have on like Joan Embree, who was like a zoologist from the San Diego Zoo. I love like certain segments, Um, but I would I

was always allowed to stay up on Fridays to watch Letterman. Um. When we finally got a VCR, I could record it, but I would sneak down because I knew my mom would watch Carson and I should be in bed, So I would sneak down and sit on the top of the stays because she would fall asleep on the couch um. So Carson would end and then Letterman would start, so I could sit there and watch Letterman as long until like she would start to stir, and then I would

gently ros and go back to bed. So that was like a thing where I would like sneak my my Letterman, my Letterman viewing, because that's very much like I think, like my my comedic kind of like way of thinking is like like being sarcastic, like how he doesn't pull punches and like his little man on the street stuff. It was all just like I was like, what is this? This is awesome? Well, Lettermen like Carson like established like

formative norms I guess now in late night. But like Letterman was someone who like lead with tone right, like I feel like like people want to sound like him, Like it affected people's other people's communic voices in this

way that like it was like chances. Letterman very much like just took like big swings to see if something would would work, and I think Carson was just like set and nailing it but didn't need to like mean anything, where Carson was like kind of I mean a Letterman was like, oh, this is him fighting to stay alive

because he already had one show canceled on him. So right, I almost feel like Colbert is the worthy successor to Letterman because Colbert doesn't ever like he never um would sacrifice like his sense of humor or his intelligence in the same way as Letterman, whereas like with Fallon Now and it's kind of like in the same vein as Carson and you know Jay Leno before him, where it's leads with the fun and it's about like being a late night show, whereas like Letterman is like David Letterman,

it's like it's it's it's the tone is set and it's like his show, whereas like it's the Tonight Show, whereas that was Letterman. Now it's you know what I mean. But even with Late Night, it was like late Night with because I watched Late Night, which was maybe before your time. Yeah, late Night was after Carson, so I was watching until two and then two he moved to Okay CBS. Yeah, so he was twelve thirty slot until I believe ninety two I might be a little off.

And then he moved to at UM CBS, and Conan felt like the right successor to Letterman. Yes, Late Night, Yes, but Letterman, I thought, I will give credit to Letterman as being a great interviewer as well. Yeah, oh yeah, especially even towards the end. I think I don't know, well, like just he never was worried about the guests feelings. Sometimes the parents interview, yes, Paris interview, or there's one before that that um shit, that's fair faucet down with that.

That's like, that is legendary. Okay, can you give like a play by play? I can't. It's like it's just someone who is clearly on something, just under the influence and out there doing an interview and it was bananas. It's legendary. And then there's the Drew Barrymore in view where she flashed. There's like, I mean, Late Night has all these like, um is it like the oh gosh is it not? The um throws the oh he threw water at Letterman. It's why is it escaping my head?

He's been he was banned after that, right, and he and the Letterman have famously had a thing with Oprah and then the share share thing to share oh yeah, he had to make he basically like with like, which I love about Letterman because he can like admit too false, which I think is very important for any human to

be like, oh yeah, I was abrasive. And then it's like and then him and Oprah now can like do interviews together, and it was like, yeah, and share an asshole to like one on on on air, which makes you like both of them. Who was who has done that to Jimmy Fallon? He was you know, So it's like, which is fine, that's like that tone, but like I it's like, yeah, Letterman is just like what is wrong

with you? Like I will call it out? Yeah, I mean it's it's it's very like I roll to say, but like I kind of you miss that last you don't because you don't see people taking risks anymore. Like Honestly, nowadays, I feel like celebrities, if there's gonna be anything questionable going on during an interview, they just don't go. You know what I mean? Because I think now with social media and being able to be on the Internet the next day and you can watch and watch and watch.

You can control your own narrative all the time. Like Trump will ever do another interview like want but not not right, but like there would be a time, there would be a point in time where we would demand that, whereas like just to hear answers or whatever. But now it's just like because any celebrity, like you see it with Kanye West, you know what I mean, he tries he's out there controlling his own narrative or attempting to all the time. So they don't feel the need to

like need these shows anymore. So you don't see those kinds of iconic interactions. The only way you get is like Eric Andre where he like like you know, has to like punk them a little bit to like put make them on comfortable, but it's really not about them. It's about like having rats pop out. Yeah, so you're seeing them actually react to something that's not you know, they're it's not in their control totally, which is like yeah,

we totally it's so missing. But now it's just like okay, Well, like the way that there's like segment producers for each interview that like like do you have a funny story to tell? Oh, we'll tell that, Oh that that's that's perfect. That'll be great. So Seth will lead you with I'm not saying this as an example, but it's like Seth will just ask you this and then that will be your que to go into this. It's like it feels choreographed in a way that like could be loosened a

little bit. Yeah, we need to listen it up. Yeah, but he's the best. Now that's that's hard to say. They're also different. I mean, I think Seth Myers does do a good interview, like he's really he's really great at interviewing people and I think pulling fun stuff out of them. But I also don't watch enough to have an opinion. I mean, Seth, the last thing I can remember is Kelly Ann being on Sethway Conway, and that

is great. Um, But then the last person who like truly like would like have no problem in embarrassing their guests if they deserved it was like John Stewart, and

even that is like, I don't know. That's also like not not on the same level as Letterman, where I can get you don't get it the way you want it, but like I can, you can still get a little bit if you watch UM Thursday Night UM Basketball on like Barkley and Shack, because they are they bust each other all the time, so you can get that thing of like, oh, they're all being vulnerable and allowing each other to like shoot on each other and bust each

other's balls, which is like you just want that, but you have to get people that are okay with it. It's like podcasts now, like you get it, like you to bust each other's balls and it's fun and you're vulnerable and that's what's fun. But like to have always have guests be able to do that. It's the ones that you want to you know, you know, it's really it's you know. My dad points it out like this

was like two years ago. I was at home and I was watching RuPaul's Drag Race and he was like watching it and I was like, oh God, what is he going to say about this? And he went to a commercial and he was like, they're so honest with each other, and I was like, that's such an interesting pull. It's an interesting to take from it. Like he didn't have anything to say about like how they were acting or like or like you know, what they were wearing anything.

He was like, I'm impressed by how direct they are with each other, and it is that thing of like you know, like with drag obviously it's just like they say whatever the funk they want. But true honesty now is sort of and true dialogue and forcing each other to be honest. I think it's why people are obsessed with all these like um reality shows, is because like you don't actually see real dialogue, especially on news programs,

like you know what I mean. I I try to watch a lot of them now, and it's like, if they're not screaming at each other, it's a bunch of people that think the same thing, and so it's something that would never make it to like the next days like clip on Twitter where everyone sees it exactly, it's like, oh there's let's form an opinion around them, and you get those tiny moments, and those moments do go viral, like when Lauren Duca threw it back at Tucker Carlson. Yeah,

I mean that was like so fierce. But I think what it stuck out because we're like, that's not like that's not late night, that's not like right now, it's not late night anyway, And that just puts people. They're like, oh no, it's like, oh now that Lauren Duca did that. Now everyone's gonna be like, we have to change how we have you know, book our guests. Yeah. Then they're just afraid of it happening again, because the worst thing you can do is look stupid. That sucks. That sucks.

That sucks. It sucks. Do you just want to say the Paris Interview, The Paris Interview genius just like by the like by like the middle, she like loses her patient. She's like, I don't want to talk about this being in prison anymore. And he goes, okay, okay, and then um, someone screams from the audience, I love your pars and then she goes. And then the letterman goes somebody met in prison, and the entire audience explode, like like, so

he's so good. You have to be so like because even in like whenever we interview someone that's like that makes us a little nervous, like you really do have to be so good at what you do to stay the course, and something like that, especially with something like Parasilon at the time, was huge. So like anyone else I feel like would have just backed off or but like I can't ask her that it's embarrassing. But he's not in he was not ever in a position where

he like I don't want to say cared enough. But it was just like he is the king of late night. It's like if she never wants to come back, it's okay, It's like what do you want? You know, and we'll have many other guests and it's like that's where like Leno took over um control when he got Hugh Grant after his infamous blow job, so like he he booked Hugh Grant and that was like he had to ask

that question. So Jay Leno like has Hugh Grant after he got caught getting a BJ and then was like asking him and it's like that's where like there was like this kind of like it like honesty and like really asking guests the right thing is like what was making people the king of late night? And then it probably still applies though if someone were to just do that and break the ceilon that's too much though there's too much TV for I mean, I don't really even

know who's running in the ratings. Yeah, I believe that Colbert is a little bit is still ahead. I mean, yeah, but I can't imagine there had Oh yeah, I've read

We've read the trains, Honey, we get the trains. And honestly, you know who's like I always we talked about this all the time, and we've been talking about this since the beginning of this podcast by Allen, I mean, like, I can't with Allen, like I can't watch I can't with Allen because there's been too many times where it's just been like, no, this guy is just a douchebag,

and that might just be it. And I think she sometimes feels bad for people that are as famous as her um and I think she's gen when Lee went through one of the hardest things that a celebrity has gone the thirty years, and I do respect and admire her strength through that, But I don't necessarily think all the same rules applies to the people that she gives

apology platforms. They have they earned that platform. No, And the thing is, like with Kevin Hard, he did come out of this is actually like breaking news as of like, but he did come out with the quote unquote heartfelt apology, A real apology to the LGBT community is post post in interview which was not an apology, saying he had when he really had never really extended a real didn't address how he just gasol at the timeline everyone. Yeah.

And so it's just like I don't know, like I think like with her, she's like a whole other thing because it's like it pretends to be this fun, fun, fun, fun, fun fun fun show like and Ellen I think is at her best when she's just leading with the goofiness and dancing around and like being Ellen positive and Ellen.

And then there's these moments where it's like, no, actually, you can't just erase the fact the way that people feel about this thing, you know, like yeah, or to speak on other people's back, do you ever think about yourselves of should you get to that level like worry about the disconnect of like because you watch like I watch like you know, like Comedians and Cars, and I was like, oh, Seinfeld is disconnected from a rich man society.

Yeah he's disconnected. Yeah he doesn't. There's no worries, Like, I mean, he probably has worries. I can't say that. It's probably ship gone his life that we don't know about, but there is this disconnect. It's like Ellen has this disconnect. And I mean I grew up watching her show, loving it, loving it, loving it, and it's like, oh yeah, like did you watch any special? But it's almost her being

like admitting too she has like disconnected. Yeah, there is like this self awareness, which I was like, oh, this is really funny and good. I thought you were going to say, do you ever think about like if you ever get on Ellen? And she's like, so you talk about me podcast? And I was like, I thinking about it a lot. We're never allowed, we will never go on I'll never be booked on Ellen. It's fine. I

think you can just admit it though. Yeah, I'll be like it's like a friendship thing if like a friend's mad at you and he was like hey, and it's like, yeah, this is how I was feeling because like I was here, you're here, So like, yeah, okay, we we just we bring that approach, we bring that emotional connection into Ellen into the show. We're like, let's just pretend we're friends and let's just be upfront with what we've said about you. And I would think in my heart that I would

have no problem telling her. Yeah. I did think it was if we were behind this behind the stage, and she would ever like be like you said this thing, or if anyone were to be like this, I feel like I would be able to say, I did think it was fucked up that you had Matthew facts on after a woman accused him of punching her. I did think it was a little fucked up. There you go there and then and then it's like, how do you respond to that? Be like well fuck you? Like, no,

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which is which is not true. There's no one way in. Everyone is a different path everyone yeah, which is yeah. I had to um probably say that I am million different ways to a million different people. I mean, no one's ever told me. I mean I know that people think that as a when I was artistic director at u CB that I was like this you know, preventing people from their dreams or stopping their dreams or create.

But it's like anyone that succeeded was because of their talent, and anyone that like didn't you know, come through just like well just wasn't like the right time. Or it's like or you're not good at Harold, who fucking care? Like that's like this finite thing. It's like it's like you're but you can still take what you've learned and

use it somewhere. There's so many places that are like and it's I love seeing that people are making ship in other at other places, like because now you know, like stop putting this pressure that like this space UCB is only place, or this space the magnazine space, or

this is only space. It's like there's like so many different ways to get your get your success on and to put and to blame anyone but yourself is I think toxic for your creativity and breath and shows that you're just like not ready to be honest about like where you're at. Yeah, and but to be honest, I think Matt and I experienced different similar versions of that thing where it's like I would walk into Lloyd auditions

and be terrified out of my mind. Never been more nervous for an audition, and I was like, I'm going to be just I'm gonna have to prove my competence

to these people who I respect. But then it was like this thing where it was like, oh, maybe I'm just not good at that, and that's fine, But then I've I've still taken something valuable from this, from what this place has offered me, that I am lucky enough to like I was lucky enough to have like met halfway and interfaced in whatever way I did, and then to like I feel like I I feel like you you just like go sort of forge your own path, even if it means not necessarily being in that system,

and like, yeah, and that's okay, and that's fine. Yeah, I remember could be better. I think people are often better off. There's I see people just like get stuck and like, oh I got this, I'm on this team. It's like, but what else are you doing? What else happening?

You gotta do other stuff? Like this is a great place for you to like keep your you know, keep the rest off the gears and keep in tune and you're practicing every week but it's like, I mean, I get to do Stepfathers every Friday and ask it's like, but what else? I gotta do other stuff. I can't just be like I did it. It's like, you know, that's like that's me going to the gym for my

for my communic braint. That's what that's what those are for me, and I'm so blessed I get to do it and and love everyone I get to do it with. But like if I don't, that's I can't just do that. That is and I see people probably think, like you did it, that's so awesome. I want to be there, but it's like, yeah, I'm so happy to be here, but I you know, I need to do other ship. It's like any creative goal. It's like anything anything you said.

It's like you get that thing and then you realize I want more or like this will it can't be enough, Like I remember, want more but not but don't expect someone else to give it to exactly. Yeah, it's that's it's want more, not give me more. Might Give me more is very toxic for the for the brain, and it's it's tough to battle because I also understand it because I think depending on where you are in your life, and like your maturity of like what you've experienced can

affect how you go through that. Like because it's like I was twenty war when I started UM, and I was pretty immature, and I made some really stupid mistakes on teams where I was like, I think I was very lucky that I was able to make those mistakes at that time, because if that was me now, i'd been like, yeah, get me out of here, get me out of here. But I was I was given that, you know, that chance to to make mistakes, uh, and

and grow. But but also like so I have to, like as a d also be like, all right, this person is only this age, not that I put attached age to it or um. So like hopefully they will learn something from like not getting what they want or struggling with something and know that it, Like it can take a while, Like don't compare yourself to to Zach

Woods or or Aubrey Plaza. Well, the best thing, that's the best thing you can get out of rejection is just to strip away your sense of entitlement on That's that like, that's that's probably the lesson that I took away from Lloyd Auditions. Every year that I would do that, I would be like, oh, I don't I don't deserve, Like it's not deserve yeah, yeah, yeah, it just wasn't really I actually had. It's not a perfect system. It

never and it never can never can be. But then also like you go to you go to like weekend shows and you go to ask count it's like the best improvisers in the world. I feel it's a cool factor thing that This is why I always felt like I was always so upset when I wasn't um doing well in improv classes that I never ever got out of my head in improv classes UM, And it was entirely my fault because I think I started too young.

I started nineteen, which is like I think, just so young, you don't like you're not able to be yourself in your own life. How you're going to go out there and like be a canvass on stage and wait for that response to lead to something. I felt like it was such like an important thing to be good at improv and be good at the Herald because that was

like what the coolest people were doing. And I always felt like like, man, I'll never like at n y U. I was on the sketch group and you were on the improv group, and I was like, but I'm not I'm not with the cool guys who do like It was entirely and it was fully reversed on our own where it was like, well, we're not doing sketch, so what do we have to show for ourselves? Yeah, I mean,

you always want what you don't. It's like anything. But I remember I had a totally opposite experience from you for the majority of my twenties because I didn't face a lot of rejection, Like I felt like we really worked hard and doing our own thing, like we had our sketch group popular lette. I had worked hard in college, so when I auditioned from a lot, I got on the team like, um, whenever I had justtioned for characters welcome, I always got on like. And then when JFL happened,

I got on works. And then there's those things that you get and then you do feel like, well, I'm

a person who had just this works for me. I get stuff, and then you get into the real industry, and that's when you start facing rejection and you're like, oh wow, I was just very lucky for a long time, you know what I mean, like because because being told no is a thing, and I do think like that is it's like you're scared at at those improv auditions because you're scared to be told no when you're scared

to be quote unquote bad. But there's so much good in being told no and like being told like it's not time, you know, like because it's not and you you've just like trained to learn something that you can you know, you can use in many aspects of your life hopefully if you're if you're viewing it that way, I looked at it like so, yeah, I mean you can't. It's also a hard thing as a d I was like, I can't expect you can't tell people how to feel, and I want people to feel what they feel. But

there is I just think about it. I like, so people are putting so much pressure on themselves for this like one day and it's not it's not it's not like this thing that like you get on it and then suddenly all these riches come to you, Like there's auditions that yeah, no, you don't get like, but there's like these it's just this thing of like, oh, it's like you just got into like this continued ed program where you just get to like but you can also

put your own teams together and do the same thing elsewhere. But it's like this is just a system is going to help you and do it for you and give you a show. If you think, like there's auditions that we go on where it's like, oh, I'm auditioning for a recurring role, like this could change my life, but I don't put that much pressure on it where it's like I memorize, I get my sides down, I go and I do my best and then but I'm now at a place where I can just like forget about it.

I mean remember like the first few auditions I went on and be like, oh my god, I get it, oh my god, and I in it. But's like now it's like nope, out forget And I think that's but I think that's hard for that the system at UCB, because you have spent a lot of time and money that for some people it is for that specific day. Some people it's not. But I think so much people just be like I've spent two year years for this moment.

It's like, no, you've spent two years for this knowledge and um training you have and these new skills that hopefully you've built that you can use, but you can't tell people. I can't tell you when you feel. And I also get that. It's like there's so many emotions. And I know my biggest lesson as a d was like I'm not responsible someone's It was actually B. S. J. Yeah, I was brand Scott Jones. I was really upset about something. I had just worked really hard on something and then uh,

and I'm just like, yeah, I did it. And then someone came up to me and said something that kind of like crushed everything I just did. Uh. And I was like crying backstage at the Chelsea Theater and BS is like, what's wrong when I said it? And he's like, Shannon, you are not responsible for their ego. And I was like, you're right, that's their ego. Like I that was not my fault. So it's like that's like, I'm not responsible

for your ego. Is like something I had to like I like would check when like someone would be up, you know, like a performer right to be like upset. I'd be like, Okay, let me analyze this. I think this is this is their ego and I can help you only so much because there's three of you. Yeah, it's well, someone inserting themselves into the fact that person. So a person came up to you and said something, Yeah, I got an email that was just like that. It's

just like, why not me like that thing? So it's someone like, it's fully someone injecting their ego l O l um into your into your experience, which is just like the when my best come on, it's just it's the mic Pizzis. It's the Miczzies of the world who are like making you faint and then somehow you get in trouble for It's like yeah, yeah, not like everything.

But the fact of the matter is like everyone wants it so bad because when it's when I of like those weekends like shows that I went to, I'll just never forget because it looked truly like like I'll just never forget scenes that I seen that I saw Middle Ditch and fran do as like the Sun in the Moon.

I was like, this is crazy. When I'm watching it's art like I was, I remember um like just like being so sucked away by it, and it's just like that's what I think everyone wants is just that moment up there of like community and speaking a language with someone that like it seems like only you know, do you have people that you're that are your favorite people that you've performed with. I mean, I am so blessed to have Alex Dixon and Connor rat List stepfather. It's

we really. I mean I've really lucked out with my UM with like improv teams I've been on and I know that UM but and I know just like that feeling of like what a team that succeeds as one that cares for each other. In my first team, like we were just like all assholes, all assholes to each other, and I was just like, oh, yeah, that's why the team didn't work. And my second team was like okay and fun um but then kind of also like this thing of like just too much like not really caring

for each other. And then I finally found like when I had um mail or Demon which turned into fuand it was like, oh, we're all on the same page. We all really want to work for this one thing, and uh if one of us was like oh, like no one ever was just like I don't, I can't,

I don't want to do. That was like they would be like and honestly, like, you know what, this isn't I don't feel strong about this, but I will try it, like I will give a percent and we'll try it and let me you know, but I want just like we were all honest with each other and it was like in a good way and it was like and

it was like great. And then I got on uh uh Stepfathers, which was like a scary thing because I was like deciding to leave this team that I was just like really loved and we were doing it was really challenging me and making me a better improviser and were just like doing really cool ship and I was like, okay, I'm it was a very hard It was like a

really hard decision. I had the hardest time telling the team. Um. It was just like oh this like this wasn't like see this was like ah, I'm stepping away and like taking a chance. Um. And then stepfather has turned out turned out great and now it's like it's been Um. Now it's just like it's me and Alex and Connor and it's for the most part and it's like we just I have just like genuine love for both of them where we are just like on stage taking care

of each other, having fun. We just know each other so well that it's like, oh, we can step out and just like just just yeah yeah, and I know and I know that's why, like we are so good, did you because we share with each other or if we don't, we're just like I know something, tell me, like we don't like there's no yeah, we're really good about yeah about that. So it's like that is yeah.

Did you see Connor on Marvelous Mrs Masal? I watched, I went to his I went to his episode and like was watching Chester like he basically plays like like the show. She's like pretending to be like the like sanitation worker at the Catskills so that she can keep an eye on and um, like she's just walking around with a plunger just to make sure everyone thinks she works there. And Connor plays a guy who's also doing that. He's just like also a cream that's great, very good.

It's like very connor ratative. Oh my god, Alex Dixon too, and great energy. If we're listening show Biz, get on the Alex Dixon are sleeping on. He can do anything. She's such an amazing actress, so good makes me a better improviser. Her and Connor both are like just reactors, and I'm just like an insane uh monster, and they make me. They've both made me a better actor. Yes, it really there's a big difference, you know, whence you're dead on with that. Alex Dixon, she acts her series.

I'm trying to think who else does that? They're yeah, She's yeah. They're like honest, real reactions that lead to humor, like those honest like she Glen, Glenn Busanna and I did this weird web series where I forgot what she wrote it, but like we were these two like branding consultants, and then Alex Dixon comes in and plays her. Her and Karen were like these two like female CEOs with this company and like and like Glenn and I were like just being incompetent for whatever reason. Then we were

just improvising the whole thing. And then and then the funniest moment was Alex just going you're you're terrible people, Like you're you're bad at your jobs. It was just but it was acting. It was like fully and full realism. Like you also just said the name Glenn and then my heart Yeah I bet um but yeah, Alex phenomenal. Um, it's UCP has truly like that was really like so formative, like because it really exposed us to the best people like it. I think UCB like sets the tone for

a lot of the stuff for everything. I mean that's true, but like in terms of the talent it generates, like yes, like that has always been there, but in terms of how it ripples out into other people's work, like it is informed by whether people are like, um, just like going upstream from it in a fun way where it's

like altered, it's like crazy. It's like you know, fucking Connor many will do something nuts where you know it's he's in it, but he's also like totally fucking shut up, or it's someone who like I feel like we like also like all say that we like are very influenced by the sensibility that like we like picked up from meeting people there and orange that am most are glad that there's people that have not come through that found other ways, you know, like you know, like I don't

think I think Patty Harrison needs to taken improv class, you know, and it's like she's like she took classes. I didn't know this, but she was like an improviser in college. I always just thought of her as like someone that came from like stand up or whatever. But then I realized like she was, like she an improviser. Yeah she has, but it's like, yeah, there's like certain as like no, you don't need to you don't need

to come through this. Also, I think it would squash some people, you know, like if you just can know like what is your or if you're going through and you're like, oh, you know, if this isn't for me and that's okay, okay, or it's like oh I got some training, that's okay, I'm gonna you know, I want to go to a show somewhere else, and like it takes a tremendous amount of self awareness, but I think it's it's it's in everybody to be like there is a mechanism in every person to be like, oh, this

isn't for me. Yeah, I mean that's the case. Like at the end of my like a little at the end of my road there, I wasn't on a herald team and I was never going to be because I wasn't good at the herald, Like it's just not the way my brain works. But taking improv classes that you ce B did not only made me a better performer, made me a perform I didn't realize I could even stand up in front of people and speak like that until I took my one on one and you see me.

So it's like there's so many others and it also makes people better communicators. Hello hopefully right are you? Is there some sense of relief relief um now that you're just on like the performer side fully like full, I mean, of course, okay, you did for four or five years and did for four years. Yeah, yeah, biggest thing, biggest like biggest reliase of tension. What was like the biggest tension for you? Would you say it's just my time? It was it was just a job that took my life.

And I'm not a person that like if I have a job, I do it. Like I don't have I can't half ask anything. So I just kind of like all the way, I just was like submerged myself all the way. And it's like, because you know, I can't not um because affects so many people who I know were like working hard and stuff. So that was like it was just such a time a time suck where I you know, I made a plan. I made an exit plan to be like, okay, this is when I

got to be out. And then I pushed that um a little bit because of the move from Chelsea to Hill's Kitchen, and I was like, okay, I can't leave yet because my thing of being like I can't abandon this. I gotta like take this through a little bit um. And then and then uh, and then I finally was just like I gotta I got, but I gave five months notice. Well it seems like it was like I wasn't being a monster about it. I was like, I just I'm going to give five months notice because then

I've said it, it's happening. I can see d c M through and just like let the next person start at like a chill time, because like to just like start at a not chill time would be like insane and there are so few and far between pockets of chill time. No, it's like July August is like the only chill time yea, or like holidays. But I wasn't going to like train someone over the holidays totally. I remember hearing that you were stepping down and I was like,

who I could do it? Remember, you just became so synonymous with me, for me with running that theater so well. And I was just like, there's a scary thing to be stepping down because it wasn't like who will do I was like, who wants to do that? Another show? And I think people getting two am three am emails from me for like four years, Like what is this life? Hardney asked me. He's like, I'm thinking about applying for it. I was like, and I literally said him, I was like,

do you want that job? I was like I think I do. And I was like, okay, bitch, I think you'd be perfect for it. When I and when I knew that DCM was probably not going to be part of the thing too, but like I couldn't like announced that. But I was like, maybe he wants to announced that d c M won't be in you know, New York, that maybe more people will apply, but that we announced that. But because that truly also killed me, M yeah yeah, um,

but yeah, my time was like that. It was like a huge It was like a huge thing, like I didn't really have like a life. Um and then uh, also you know you hit a point of upsetting people unintentionally, like there's only like a limit that you can hit. Yeah, yeah, where it's just like, oh, my job is making people upset. And someone said to me shortly before I had already

given my notice to the u C before an alex citizen. Um. But then someone had said to me before I announced it to everyone, They're like, shin, and you know that your job like you never You're never right. And I was like what, And I'm like no, like you're never right because like you could put someone on a team and then someone else's like why are they on a team. So it's like anything I do is like never going to completely please everybody. And I was like, oh, yeah, no,

I'm aware of that. I'm made aware of that. I got off Facebook too late. But when I did get on Facebook, but a blessing so if oh yeah, because it's like oh I don't have to see it was yeah, it's are you off? I'm off? Are are you off? I'm off? I'm about to do the thing where I just download all my photos and then I just fully shut it down. I have a Dumby account great that I just used for like my CrossFit in my skateball team.

The election and that like it's friendless, like people, I'm not your friend, and like, yeah, it's a friendless account, so I'm not looking at it's The election ruined it for me, But it was kind of just more like not even just that, it was just the seeing people change. Once I started to make estimations and like calls about people who are my friends in real life based on their online persona. That was like truly just words on

the screen. I was like, I can't do this anymore, Like I know I have more love in my heart than what I feel every time I walk onto this website. It just turns you into a monster, which is why I think, like I think young people are very perceptive, and I think that like so young people are not on Facebook. They're not on Facebook, Like at what age are we talking this? As I think like they look at it like, but who is young? Like what ages?

High school kids are not on it right now? And I don't think a lot of college kids are on it. Interesting And do you truly do they use I think they go on Instagram and they do Snapchat. But you're saying that we're about where like leaning they're gonna wan off Instagram and no Snapchat as a fucking ghost town, right, Well, they do something and I don't know exactly what that is. That's how I know, Like that, really I'm really not in touch with what the kids are doing because I

really don't even know what they're on now. But I know they're not on Facebook. And I also know that like a lot of us are not on Facebook. People are not on Facebook. Feels like a ghost tenn too. But you're saying because it's like criminal, But is your theory that, um, they're going to hit a wall with Instagram to that Let's like there's no the bubble for them is about to burst where it's like, well, I

don't want any sort of online exposure. I think that the conversation around these things are becoming so negative because it makes us feel bad, and I think that we only are going to take that for so long, you know what I mean. Like, and you think about like these things like it's like anything else that consumes the time of the populace, Like people move on to other interests, you know what I mean. There are times when people don't go There was a time when there was no

blockbuster movies, you know what I mean. Like, and then there was a time like I just think different things take hold and we will find like what the next Facebook is that will bring everyone's attention over there. I mean, movies used to be in the theaters for six months and now it's like what six weeks, two months or Yeah, I work at a movie theater, and it was like

we had Jurassic Park for six months. Yeah, we had Liar Liar for six months, and there was like in terms of we had Home Alone for six months hit movies that were Remember you can look at the list like of all the most highest grossing movies every year, and it's so crazy the way it's changed from like the year two thousand eighteen. Now it's like used to have like three or four movies that made over a hundred million dollars. Now it's like the top thirty movies

all making over a hundred million dollars. And like the way like the kinds of films that are made now is just the movie is really depressed me because it's

all sequels. But like these things change, you like yeah, and my only thing is like I feel that if you really look at it, we are getting dumber because I think if you were to take movies and the and the box office totals and you really just look at it, the lack of imagination in storytelling and just the fact that we're getting regurgitated the same idea again and again and again, and these movies are all the same, and that that is making such an exorbitant amount of

money and we're willing to keep going back and going back and going back. That is like, because we're not using our brains. You're saying a star is born is I'm saying a star is born is an example. No, I think the stars weren't actually counts as like an original thought to be honest, because that's like a that's

a different one. What I'm saying is like when we get fucking you know, fast and the furious, it's the furious because it's like we're banking on it's just yeah, but it's like the same thing, just the same story, different cars, right exactly. We're just we're just feeling dumber like it. And it's just like a lot of it is it's it's just shiny objects. I mean, I catch myself on Instagram just watching people ice cakes. You know too much, which I'm like, wow, how do they make

this unicornin? And I see it and I'm like what, And I will just watch it because it's like my Oh, I guess it's like my version of a SMR or just is that what it would be. I don't know what. Basically, it's like a thing of like, oh, I can just like shut down, shut down and watch this, but it's like it's not helping me. I don't because I'm not learning anything from it, and I get mad at myself. And we're addicted to it, but the young kids aren't, and so they're gonna be able to see it and

be like that's bad and they're just gonna do something else. Well, you saying that at the beginning was reminding me of like when I was a kid and what I like to do. Maybe it was like my own version of like I love just shooting free throws in my yard and driveway. I could do that. I could take my boom box out, listen to the NBA draft and just like shoot for the night. I would do like you

ever do those? Um. I don't know if you guys had it because you're our age difference, but it was like a it was a pogo ball and it was like around rubber ball with like a saucer, like you know, like you're jump and I was like, oh, that was

my swiping. That was my swiping, because I would I went to a after a summer camp um at and now I could if I if you held the record, you got like I'm a free like McDonald's hamburger, and I'd be like, I just did this for a thousand jumps, and I would and I would have blisters on the inside of my of like my feet because it was just like I had to like that's like what my swiping was. But it was like collectivity act was conductive. But I could also do I could read more books

when I was a kid. Now it's just like I'm trying to get back into reading and I'm doing better, but I'm just like even like um, like the way here was like, oh, I have a subway, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna read the book. But then I got, um just just like a little bit sidetracked um by my I don't think so, honey, honestly, where I was like okay, so it still was like still it was

still using my brain it isn't. But isn't that a scary thing where it's like I have to remind myself that to feel good about the fact that I did use my brain, you know what I mean. Like, but I remember, I'm also at my best when I as a performer, when I when my brain feels stronger and like I'm like taking care of myself like physically and

my brains. I'm working out and I'm reading or doing something that feels like it's like a task, like I just gotta switch, thank you, And I feel I'm just doing Mario Odyssey right now, and I feel great about that. Like I don't do it a lot. I just do it for like a half fib It's like it's problem solving, it's puzzles, it's problem solving. So it's like that's not me just watching you know, different three tier cakes being Deckory did in different ways, Like I'm just like oh yes, oh,

and it's like coordination and all that stuff. So it's like, Okay, I'm not doing it for hours and hours, but there is like I don't feel bad about that because it is like a puzzle that yeah, and because the game is designed for sort of these little pick up and play moments. Yes, And I feel like, are you as older person, I feel like you would like Zelda. I I hear I didn't like old school Zelda. Zelda is hard an esoteric, but like you know, Nintendo Day, but

I hear that the Zelda is awesome. It is exactly what you're looking for in terms of these little shrines, these little micro puzzles that are all about spatial reasoning and all about like coordination. It's which I really enjoy and I'm not like and it might be your gateway into other Zelda games because if you go, if you start with this most recent and go backwards, you just realize, oh, like I only recently got into Zelda, Like I played Acarina when I was a kid, but then like fell off.

But then in the lead up to this news, all the game played all the older ones, and I was like, oh, this is a genius series, Like it's all just puzzles, all just these really love video games. Then I did I just like didn't have the time when after I became a d but like I wish I hadn't do it. Yeah, but like the switch was like, oh this is like

a an easy easy a New Gateway. So but yeah, but it is like I hope kids are getting away from I think it's we're going to look back at this time and we're going to realize, like we were obsessed with social it's a drug. We didn't realize we've been doing cocaine this entire time and didn't know. We didn't know, Like there was no warning on the cigarette pack when we started smoking. Twitter was originally you telling your friends where you were right, what you were eating,

what you're doing. It's just going to the movies. And now it's yeah, it's it's some of that, Like I love the jokes, but when it is when you look up stuff and it's just like, oh, this is a terrible rumor and now people are gonna believe it. And it's like you can't bat you cannot battle like a brush fire. No, it's literally it's a forest fire. It's gonna it's gonna burn, and people are just gonna remember

the burn and not that like it started. It was like this like stupid match that was lit inappropriately should never have lit. That match should have never been lit. It was falsely lit, just like we never we did not need to light it because before you lit it? Should have asked hionhe should I light this? And no, And here's why you shouldn't light it, because your reasoning for lighting it is actually incorrect. But now you're lighting it and throwing it and being like the consequences just

like you can't control it. I have hope. I have hope because I just think, like I think, the fact of the matter is our general are like generations might be kind of lost to it because we're already obsessed. We're already addicted. We have this addiction in our lives. But I know that the younger generation, like they have to be able to look at this and call out that unusual thing, which is the obsession with and indulgence in constant falsity, like you know, flood ing in your

blood stream like it's wild. Yeah, it is a drug. It's a bad drug. We move on, Move on. We're gonna move on to I don't think so. Obviously our guest has been a stewing on on her. Matt, you go, okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts and now I don't think so, honey. The earbuds that come with any iPhone products. What the fuck is going on? When literally am I the only one who two months after I'm using it only one earbud works?

Answer this question? Is this a thing like? This is? I swear to God? And then you go to replace them and it's thirty dollars you need to take care of What do you mean I need to take care of them? You're sitting on one of them too, You're putting too much pressure. Okay, well this is no. That would I would have to be in a thing I swear to God. I feel like headphones should be like WiFi and water. Everyone should just be able to have them.

I need them, and honestly, it's like I get the iPhones, they have this whole thing where it's like, you know, you better update at a certain time or the phone's basically gonna melt in your hands. But I just feel so upset. I don't even own headphones right now because I know I'm gonna go out and buy them for thirty dollars or just too much money, and then they're gonna like not be usable in five seconds. And also there's small you can lose them, So I don't think

so honey, headphones No Oh that's good. I have I just started my wrong No, I just started Bluetooth Culture number sixteen head yes, And so this is my problem though. It's like right now I don't even have any headphones and I'm like a psycho in the gym, like who has nothing like And I'm just like, no, that you can't do that. Famously hasn't. He thinks he's a big strong boy and just goes and just listens to nothing. And I've been doing that. I'm just literally like buy

myself in the gym. And I wanted people to listen to podcasts and do my thing while I'm in the gym. But I'm scared to go out and buy them because they've proven unreliable because non Apple ones. You mean, I'll even go to the Apple store and buy Apple ones and then I'm shocked when the product is bad and I and I can't m I don't know. Yeah, so I guess, um, things aren't made like they used to be. They sound old, but I have my grandmother's mixer, hand mixer,

and it still works. My moms like there's a smell, but it works. I have a bowl that my mom always but there's like a it's like there's like a burning smell, but it works. I make Costa in this bowl that my mom gave me, and every single time she she's she doesn't even say that's my bowl I gave you. She has my bowl from when I was single, like from when she was single, And I'm like, this is so weird. When I who else eight out of that bowl? Alright? Who could have been the person that

did not allow you to exist? She went to Junior Problem with this guy who his name is Kevin Maser and he takes all the photos of Beyonce when she does a concert. He's a huge celebrated photographer. My mom dated him in high school and they went to Junior Problems. She takes pictures for everything, takes for every celebrity. Literally, if you go on this every award show, he's every award show, every concert. He's like, no the stars. Kevin Mazer that was my mom's like boyfriend in high school.

She said, hey, they still talk, okay. We still thought he was going to do my head shots a few years ago. Oh my god. And I was like, don't make him do that because I was like, well, I could talk to him if you ever want to do something like back when she thought that's how you get an agent, like she was going to use her industry connects.

That would have been very cool but probably a weird move, probably, But apparently she still does and he still knew if people like, yeah, people could tell like, oh, those are show but I'm telling you, this guy is like huge. This is I don't think so, honey, and his time actually starts now. I don't think so, honey, Carbs who I'm on whole thirty right now, I don't miss you,

and I'm shocked at myself. I remember I did a different diet, the Tim Ferris one back in college, and on the second day I was calling everyone toxic and disgusting and all I want it was a pizza. But somehow whole thirty, I'm I'm surprisingly sticking to it. But that's not true. I cheated, cheated, and then I cheated last night because I ate a really good pot pie. So you know what, I've fallen off the wagon already,

but seconds. But everyone describes this thing when you're on thirty that you look at the things that you used to and your like disgusted by them, And I love that and it's um a fun feeling to be in control of what you put in your body. And I recommend this to you. Don't need a point to me. I've been doing it like we've been putting garbage in our bodies and we have to hit the reset button. And that's what the whole thirty is. I'm not being endorsed.

I just think it's it gets. It gets a lot of flag people sit on it a lot, but I don't mind it. It's actually not a bad way to go. And that was actually and I do think so, honey, yeah, my question. I don't think so many cars, but I don't think any cars. I had potpie last night and it was good and I'm okay with it, but like, you should do this whole this was saying I haven't

been and that that happens. I haven't been doing any specific dieting plan, but I have been going to the gym every day and afterwards, I eat like lean proteins and I do drink protein shakes. And I will say this, I've been eating so like well for for me over the past two weeks. The other night at Dave's me Dave an area like ate a bunch of like chips, and salsa when we're watching the Globes. The next day, stomachache,

I was like shooting blood. It was horrible. I was like my body was like get this eating and honestly like but my body was like my body was literally like we are rejecting drug, junk food. Now it's good though. Your body has become like selfe. So it's it's it's

it's deciding to get rid of it. My body is deciding it does I think when you take care of yourself and you have that bad stuff, I feel like the bad stuff actually doesn't it makes you feel bad, but like it's like that that's you knowing that you've worked to get rid of it. It's very that. And also I don't know if this happens to you guys, but like I've recently been back in the gym, like I said, and like I'll get through my second set of whatever I'm doing, and my body is like we

have to ship now. Like my body will just be like we have to go ship right now. Yeah, And then I do, are you not on a schedule? I like a poop schedule. Well, I'm a morning pooper. I'm a morning pooper to yeah, and I'm you know what's really bad and this is the one main thing I have to change going forward. I'm a bad night eater. Oh yeah, you can't do it, Like like, how many

hours before bed are you eating? Like the hour? The hour? Yeah, that's because that's when I smoke and oh you smoke too, I smoke weed and then I okay, like no, I I don't suppos cigarettes every What I do is like I wake up around honestly, around like ten because I'm usually doing shows at night, so up a little late. I'm very freelancer. So that's when my day starts. And I'm not hungry right away. I'll go to the gym,

comeback eat after that. Then I'll end up eating like my lunch at like six, and then dinner wants to happen at ten eleven pm. Now that's you will wake up. You have to you want to wake up hungry. Yeah, I'll just keep telling myself that, just give yourself a give yourself a cut off time. Yeah, I won't eat after Like, what when do you go to bed? At least three hours? At least three hours before bed? Al right, so I won't eat. You stop eating, That's like the rule.

That I hear. You can even cut it out a little bit earlier, and remember like water is is gonna take away that hunger diet stuff with across that. Oh there's no like oh no, no one's like on your ass, but it's um. I was eating bad like the past two months. Uh, We'll admit I had too many sentiments donuts. Was like it was like the holiday that I hate the holidays and they really stressed me out. So I

just was being bad. But I'm on a little nice There's a challenge at my CrossFit, so it's like you decide. There's no pressure on like what to eat. It's just like whatever however you want to do it, you do it. So some people are doing paleo, some people are doing UM, but I'm doing like clean clean eating, some clean eating.

So I allowed myself like the only cheese I allowed myself is like goat cheese and that's just like a little bit um and the like and if I want it, Yeah, it's just like a lot of unprocessed and it makes you feel So now I am waking up hungry because I'm going to bed hungry. The last night I was really starving and I had like a swig of almond milk. So I was like, this isn't terrible, and maybe I think I had like an at like a little piece of I baked some apple. So I had like a

baked apple. I was like, okay, like it's me weaning myself because I was also like getting like getting home late and just being like, oh, oh, I'm home and this is like this is my home and I've just watched my dogs and I'm not like I haven't wired down yet. So it's like training your body. But if you cut out, then you'll be hungry in the morning. You can get a little something to get your your metabolism going. Think about me, My impulse control is not

good and any aspect of my life. That's what I'm trying to sleep better. Yeah, I know you have like crazy dreams. I actually have insomnia, and I think it probably has to do with that. I'm actually learning a lot right now. You're making You're activating your body by eating. You're right, yeah, but just have a little bit of water. I'll have a little bit of water and I'll just just jerk off and jerk off. It does how it does. Oh my god, you gotta jerk off you do in

the morning, though I do all the time. You gotta get a little scream, I say, I gotta get a little scream if you want to dream. Groom. All right, this actually is I never that's the first time said that that I had a little scream if you want to dream? Culture is that rule of culture number six. You gotta get a little scream if you want to dream. And it's also the title of app Scream to Dream, Scream to Dream, Scream to Dream, the the number two. I almost had the letter to get a picture of that.

Scream to Dream to Dream spaces spaces great. Okay, this is Shannon o'neils. I don't think so, honey, And I want to apologize. I did text twice with my Dogwalker. I don't. I don't need that apology because you're doing what you need to do. She's gonna look for a coat for my dog. You're a mother, doesn't I'm not their mother. You're their friends. Keep them alive. I'm their owner, I'm there, I'm their alpha. Okay, all right, I don't think begins now. I don't think so, honey, Twitter News.

What is what is your algorithm? And why is the woman found dead in a clothing donation box, still showing up. I don't think so, honey. Why do you quickly flash into my brain that a little boy is missing and then switch it to how some how much Samuel Jackson is worth? No, honey, figure out how is a woman that died at a d fourteen years old just barely beat out a tree snail that died at the age of fourteen. That is, honey, Update the news as it comes in. All right, I know about the huge fetburg.

I've known about it for twenty four hours. To get her out of my feed, Honey, trends for you. That shit ain't for me. Trending for me Donald Trump Jr. No, he does not trend for me Thursday thoughts. It's Wednesday, Honey. Trend me some blind animals climbing a fucking rock, trying me a bunch of children dancing better than bag. She trend me how to make bacon healthy meal. Twitter news. I don't think so, honey. That's one that's very good

because I don't think so, honey. Best I don't think so, honey, should be things. What you really don't think, so honey? You really don't think my other Yeah, that was. But that was a fun one because it was like the pressure to like write something, which I need because I've been kind of lazy. So it's like I'm gonna like a little a little comedic pieces and that what was the other one? Other thing was I don't think so, honey, wedding registries. Have someone covered that? No, we've never heard

that one. We've never had a lot of a lot of wedding a lot of wedding traditions. I learned. I don't like wedding registries because like, you don't I know, you have cups and plates and bowls, Like you don't need it. It's an out of date tradition of like when you didn't have a house, and it's like you get married and you move into a house and you need help from the community. But yeah, you don't need it,

you know what. I kind of like, also, do you have money, Like I know, if you're a wealthier person and you're getting married and you have poor friends coming right. Matt Garry and Shana's Houb did a cool thing, which was when they got married for for their um Like it wasn't it was like a wedding registry, yes, but it was like they were going on their honeymoon and it was a honey fund, and you paid for different things on their honeymoons. You don't like that. I loved

it because I love knowing that they were gonna. I bought them like two rounds of drinks on the beach, and I loved that. I love knowing that's what they were gonna. Only if it's like it's a wonderful life. But if it's like I'm sending you on like an insane honeymoon. Yeah, I don't know what put that on me. No, there's something of I just think the traditions have warped what you know. It's like what a wedding was. It's like,

it's not people and love. I learned the other day that you know, the wedding cake, the wedding cake, where it comes from, I'm gonna mess it up. But during some time, pre time pre time, so pre time, pre time, the bride, it was there was this lore that she was like this magical thing on her wedding day, like she contained magic. So people would guess would come up and try and grab parts of the bride and like take pieces of her wedding dress and take you, like

basically grabbing and being aggressive. To be like your magic, I have to touch you and take your stuff. So to stop that. The wedding cake is a wedding dress. It's this white teared wedding dress. So now every time you're eating the wedding cake, it's you're eating the bride. Did you fucking monsters? My? So next time you had a wedding, be careful what piece you eat and think about what part of the bride that is. So it's like this kind of like take aggressive kind of thing

of like grabbing at the bride. I get the thing like, oh, she's magic. But then it's also like putting too much on someone that is getting married, like they're magical because someone decided to marry you, as we're all magical, magical. When someone's magical, your instinctn't be to grab them give me. No, Yeah, that's too much. You should wait for them to come to you and give them a piece of your set

of themselves. That those are both like weddings anyway. I'm a Yeah, I like a celebration, but I think it's like a party. I love a party. A party, I think, and I think if I ever do find someone again have a wedding, because like I would want to have the party, but then also like I don't want to do the thing where I have to invite, where I have to invite people. Yeah, my parents are sure as he'll not come into my gaate wedding. So I'm doing it at City Hall and then we're just gonna go

to a bar afterwards. Love that bit, and it'll be it'll be like them will close it down. I'm giving such a speech. There'll be a private event. Everyone can do what they want to do. Make sure you're not feeling the pressure to the That's what like it should be. I love a wedding where it's like, oh, this is really the couple, Like you can you can see their essence in it. A couple of my friends like like I've been at their weddings and I'm like, did you

want this? You know what I mean? Like sometimes like when the when the wedding is like super religious, or when the wedding is like when like there's a ton of people they're doing things at the wedding at the service, like oh, I've never seen before. I'm like, did you want this or did you were you told you had to have that person, or it's the parents that it's like yeah, or was it what the parents wanted? I just want my wedding to be my wedding if I ever have. I love a wedding, and it's fine if

you do this. But I love a wedding with no no parties when no, no, sorry no no wedding parties, wedding party, no no, no bride, no groom party. But it's fine if you you have them. It's also such a thing of like the pressure of I've never I was only a bridesmaid once and it was great because my friend Experience just told me, um, go get a dress, any dress you want, like what I think it was like a style. It was like a bohemian style. So we all just had like these different or she just like, hey,

this is twenty dollars. It's at the kiosk at them all. I'm going to get it for You'm like, great, I'll give you twenty bucks. Yeah. And you didn't like, you didn't like and it wasn't like this. Yeah, and there was no bachelorette party or like that pressure because you just hear like like I just hear people complaining about it, especially with with bachelorette parties, and then it's like you want to try and make it perfect for this person

and it's not gonna be. And then they come to your improv show and you're like, I don't want to talk to you. The show is not that you and your bachelorette party. Oh god, no, I mean, and yeah, that's I think I already know who will be in my my bridal party. Was that what I'm calling our groom's party party? But it's it's a mixture of men and women. Okay, I will not be tied down by these all genders, don't ascribe the binary. A fun fact about me, I was married before, and I, on purpose,

uh did not want to. I tried planning it for five minutes and hated it, and so we eloped and I was like, perfect, perfect, We're eloping. And then my ex sister in law decided that she was going to throw a surprise party for us, but she put it under the she under the guys that it was a

surprise engagement party because she knew. The only people that knew were like, my mom knew, and my ex husband's mom knew, and his sisters and it was his one sister did this thing, so I didn't even know about this engagement party where she invited my dad and former stepmom who did not know I was going to be getting married on this moment, the sister. And then while we were we got we eloped in Vegas and then she did this and I found out about this party

through my mom. She didn't invite my mom, and then my dad called. She didn't write my mom by accident because my mom was coming to Vegas with me, and then my dad found out about it. She my mom found out because my Dad's like, what's this party? So I didn't know about it, but I didn't know is that she was. She then sent an announcement that was like while we were like in Vegas, like on the Saturday after we got married, I get a call from

my brother. He's like, I just got an announcement that says this party is actually a surprise wedding like wedding reception, and I just like, and she registered us. She had to go eventually, so yeah, that's the thing. Also, it's because people want to control. That's why I was like, oh yeah, I wanted it to be quick and dirty and let me deal with my dad add a stepmom later. You know that your your your love, your choice, your love,

your choice. Your wedding experience should be if you want to get married, off you want to get married, Okay, if you don't, I might not. I probably want, but I might. Wow. Um, what a great episode. We had a great episode here And that was the kind of I don't think so honey from Shannon that really sparked something in me. Well, first of all, we need to we need to happen to you and I need to

have a discussion about the future of it. Of I don't think we're gonna keep doing it, but like, do we need something new to sort of like bice up the post. You always think this, and I always say I am always wants to make it more difficult. Have people repeated things? There have been a couple of times where but everyone has a different terms to make human being so beautiful. They're all so different, every human being,

it's beautiful and they all have a beautiful take. And so I wish you were just making a jerk off every human Thank you. I think I think I think we can there's there's a space for I don't think someone ney to coexist with other things that also start you bring the listeners in on this. I mean, like you adroom like not all specifically pop culture or it just we we have like these other like I don't think somebody is this beautiful condensed unit of time for

to express rage at something. I feel like we can explore the full spectrum of human emotions. So what like beyond a minute? I do think? No, no, no, so like so like we've done, we've done on ours maybe stops up, We've done, we've we've done on our Patreon episodes. Um about this, Oh, but it's I think it's just as fun and interesting and texture. You can't have this discussion with me in front of the listeners. You have to go through channels. Channels. You have to go through

my channels. Who are which are also your channel? I refused to speak to you. We need to speak to our It's good though, I feel complicated about this. We had do those drags recaps on our Patreon and we say I have complicated feelings about this, and it's for one minute you talk about what your feelings are. Oh, that's so hard for nuanced feelings. They never know what to say because I don't ever have complicated feelings. I always have a strong opinion whether it's right or not.

I'll be told later, okay, so and you'll be the one to tell me absolutely. But that was the kind of I don't think somebody from Shannon that really just helped just reframe a lot of stuff. And I think you sure n help. Thank you. And Shannon is going to be on the other two. The other two. And I also remembered eventually Alternatino whenever that very fun shout a sketch a couple weeks ago, that very funny. Yeah, he's a funny, it's really funny. Show. Brendans Gibbins um

Archer what a sweetheart. UM love him so much. We should have him on I show. Actually, I loved this episode. I think we got into it. We got into it and now we're going to get out of it with a song and I want Bowen to perform the theme song to Zelda. Dude, is that really how it goes? That's Zelda? What the words that I remember? That? That's like always been her themes, always been her theme. It's when she comes when she is president. You don't really get to see her that much. And she has power.

She could turn to someone else. That's the chic, that's she, that's only anc and you have time just from me. Zelda is a lady warrior, a lady warrior. She's a princess. And then for such a long time, and Lincoln is very here taking the spotlight. I know. Link is in there, White links, the little green dude, Links the green Dude. But Zelda is like the Zelda is keeping everything together, like Zelda is literally saving the world from collapsing. Link

is twink nonsense. Link is twink nonsense. A coin that I turned, that I turned and Joe Kim Booster is what the tech podcast and really I didn't listen to it yet we we we coined the term twink nonsense nonsense and I said, Ellen giving Ken Kevin Hart an apology platform is twink nonsense. Hashtag Ellen is a twink. Ellen is like a twink top though Ellen. Ellen is an alpha twink. Yeah, She's like when he comes in and run ship and you're like, whoa, that's twink really

fucking was commanding. We celebrate that. And Porsche Derossi is a bottom Yeah, I mean yeah, I did Porsche by Ellen. That um that preserved with Porsche money or Ellen money. It's okay either way. But it's okay either wise. Let's just don't know what Porsche has been up to. Oh I think uh probably be probably be writing yeah, being rich. She was on Scanal. Let's let's let's murdered. Let's close out one more time with the lyrics that you do baseball bat with the lyrics that you just did. Okay,

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