"S.O.L. (Shit Outta Luck)" (w/ Celeste Yim)

happened last night. I happenstance. I had a threesome too. Don't do this, queen. All right, let's cut this and start over. No, we're not gonna do that. Do you Are you hurt that I had a No? No, No, I was really. It was really just a sort of clever way, pithy way of me to sort of talk about the threesome because I want to know because you did it off grinder. Yes, I don't want to reveal the mechanics. Well not, which is not to say that

that they were mechanics. They did not have threesome, a threesome with mechanics or and it'll be fine if you did some of them are gay. It's actually culture number forty nine mechanics. Some of them are just because in film and television you see them often, like presented as a straight man, does not mean they are in game mechanics. Out there, we see you. Everybody fuck a blue collar queer this summer. That's all we're saying, a real working

class person. If Mayor of East Town has shown us anything, you said, you better suck a real working class person. There are fucking people out there, even if they're a cop, like Mayor right bo Co cops. All mayors are bad, including Mayor Round. I did see a bit of feedback last week that people thought that we spent too much time on my hatred for Ramota Singer and not as much time on your threesome. Well, we don't have to return. I just simply wanted to say that we should. I

now share with my sister the threesome experience. Oh but I had one moment before, years ago. I didn't know about that kind of tragic. I like went to someone diet no, no, no, no, no, not that kind of tragic. But Shakespeare would say, there's really no other kind. But go on. Shakespeare would say that, yeah, he would he actually defined tragedy as a death at the end. M hmm. Interesting, Okay,

I apologize. We don't have to get into the Actually I don't don't feel comfortable talking about because you don't want to realize, don't I forget? Is that what your parents listen? Or just that mixed company listens? Like I should treat the pod more as mixed company? Do you know what I mean? Some too? Sometimes I don't mean to. I think I think what's what's nice is that I get to talk about stuff. We both get to talk about things without um. We're not playing to the audience

necessarily all the times. Never never, So that's all I want to say. You're patronizing me, Are you start of having start of a hangover about I don't think so Honey Cocaine. No, I stand by it. I think I don't think so Honey Cocaine is one of my better I don't have too many great I don't think so Honey's stop. It's true. I think that was one of my better ones, and I think it was fantastic and it was in a serotonin crater that I was able to like produce that that text that work, and it should.

It really should open up a conversation about where do I produce the best work from emotionally, And sometimes I might mean, you know, on a on a on a comedown from a party drug but just kidding, I won't do that. I gotta tell you. Um, it's it's your reminder to yourself to treat the public. It's mixed company's

really a reminder to me as well. I was actually going to get on here and I was gonna do I don't think so, honey, wiggly bottoms And now you're well, I actually I think why I think you should still do this? Okay, because I had an experience on the app grind or the other night where I dealt with a bottom that was too wiggly, wiggling around like a damn worm. And I'm telling you, what are you talking?

Just wiggly and like the fucking like this Like well, first of all, not not, but like imagine, like like so famously during sex you're trying to get one thing into another oftentimes oftentimes well I mean, if you're centralizing penetration, then yeah, oh my god. Sometimes on this podcast I have to take a deep breath. Readers, Sometimes on this podcast I have to take such a deep breath that I cough. Did you ever take such a deep breath and inhale an intake of air so sharp that you cough?

That's how I feel on this podcast. Anyway, I was trying to get my dick in thick deck into a thick deck, into a beehole, and this bottom was wiggling like a damn jumping bees. And and and he was He was like, was he trying to be sexy? I think it was a mixture of yeah, honestly, and also I want the bad and I I gotta tell you, I want to get it in there bad. But you

can't be wiggling around like a wiggle worm. Imagine imagine the Code black episode of Grey's Anatomy, and the fucking patient, the guy who got the fucking artillery shell and his fucking chest and in his in his abdomen was wiggled around while Meredith is like, sir, I'm trying to I'm trying to see my boyfriend again. It was not ONLI that. It was not only ever. Christina Ricci was like, I'm

just twenty I'm twenty two years old. Oh my god, that that's a moment from from this wiggly bottom story to Christina Ricci is good only on last culture, only on last culture. Did you did you see him? This? This? This New York magazine cover? Uh? This this uh that came out this week, the return of Filmo and better the return of Fomoh. Yes, because I think this week

and specifically I went to it. I went to a park gathering yesterday and it was with a friend of the Pods, Stradio Lap co host George Severies Love was he looking like a damn stud? He looked great, he always does. It was George and his boyfriend who wrote the cover story, Matthew Schneyer, and we all like there was a low in the conversation. And then all all three of us, including and then miche our friend Misha Towns, and all four of us were like, where are we

all hungover right now? Oh? Yeah? And also, um, we have been so overstimulated in our social lines this week in particular, that we're just like there's nothing to talk about, like exactly, it was like it was like there was just u there was just such an early, such a low ceiling on what to talk about. You're making a face. No, I'm actually I'm identifying the face time making is is one of recognition, because and that that that isn't that

is a facial expression. Recognition is a facial expression. And it goes like this, do you do you do it? Yeah? Ken? Do you mind? Yeah? Yes, queen, queen yes, being slay with that face. Thank you, you did it? You did it? Now? Can I say? Also? It is, of course famously June the Pride month, the month of let's and let the readers know, I'm doing air quotes. Pride a k A. The month of be a bit to your closest friends is upon us. And one of my several of my

closest friends are being such bitches to me. It's unbelievable. And the Pride has month has barely even started, has barely Okay, I don't mean to make this about me. Have been to you. You have not been a bisition to me at all, But guess what, it's because you haven't really had much of an opportunity. I'm loath to find out what's going to happen when I get to New York. I'm loath to find out an expression that

I sort of know what it is. You're setting up a self fulfilling prophecy that I will be a bit Are you saying I'm dressed rehearsing that. Are you saying I'm dressed rehearsing tragedy? Yeah, well I'm not. I don't want I don't Here's what's not gonna happen. Oh tell me, Oh my god, I'm first of all. Let me wiggle towards your right now, thick deck bow and fuck me right now. Here's here's what's not gonna Oh god, here's what's not gonna happen. You already, can you take it?

I you're not gonna set up set set up a trap for me to fall into. Where I'm mean to you. I'm a bitch to you. I call where I maybe even call out some uncouth behavior that you are sort of acting out. This is to say that I ever behave in an uncouth matter. You're saying I believe in untoward manner. No, but I'm saying I don't want on the on the off trance, on the edge case that you do. I don't want you like that. I can

I tell you something? Yeah, I am so fucking excited that you were coming to New York City for the for the first post vacs Pride me in New York. Oh my god, I can't tell you and I were not. It's good vibes only, okay, you fucking bitch. I do know I'm the good vibes. I know you. Everyone else that's bad vibes. You're right, you're right, you're right, and you're right. It seems like lately these days I will step into a space good vibes and everyone else's bad vibes,

and I'm like, can I catch a goddamn break? Can I be? Could I be anymore of good vibes? Um, speaking of good vibes? Exclamation point? Our guests this I this this short eye sound between Shet and seck Deck. I think you're leading into this this summer, and I really embrace that. Let me say, let let go say something.

This is a talent. And I met our guests in yes, the city of Toronto, Toronto, and uh it was when actually I don't think so Honey was being performed in Toronto and you Bo and Yang we're famously not at that show, because I believe it was at one of the during one of the performances of the show Saturday Night Live. Now, I was I was the first season writer at es sinew and I could not I could not make it to that show. But I remember when we posted that lineup the comments, I remember this day.

They were saying, they were saying Celeste, Celeste, Celeste, Celast. Often they were exclamation points after the words Celeste. They would say Celest, celast exclamation and we're sort of whispering because that's an Instagram scream. They were saying Celest. They were really clamoring. And I was there hosting the show with one Dave Mazzoni, and we walked away from that show and we said our favorite was and this is this is no shade on everyone, but we left and

there was a star and that was last. And so then I am the opposite of loaths to find out, which I sort of that Celeste had moved to New York City. Now at the time, I was living there, and every single time, I think every single time I booked a show, I said, so lest And then I take top to a show where you did come to my mind, you host a show club Coming, and the

Celest was one of the was. I was on the lineup, and I thought they did an iconic thing, which was they did an iconic thing when they walked over to the piano and played a single note. I remember, I remember this moment, and that was that was Ali main vibes down, A star is born. This was a new sort of I stumbled upon something you want. I found out I had the musical talent as well to sort of walk over to the piano plug out a single,

one perfect note. Because that's the thing about playing one note. It's always perfect. That's why you don't play more than one, because you know, oh my god, you're so right. You're so right. Because if you if you put, if you add, like, if you play another note, and that is automatic context, it makes it makes the first note make no sense. Could sound bad, so bad? And so can you talk

about what happened with time? With time, they were very celebrated, right and then they were hired and as a writer on SNL, the only writer on SNL during its COVID season. Oh my god, the storied COVID season. There was a very few things have been as hard as pulling off

a season of SNL during COVID. And there's been wars, and there's been this season of SNL during COVID, and we have with us A survivor, a survivor, and and I'm telling you all, when Tom Shales and James and Drew Miller come out with their new edition of Life from New York and Uncensored Oral History of Saturday Night Live, you're you're gonna get a little fucking pull quote from Celeste yem our guest being like, yeah, I was crazy, Um you know it was it was nuts and then yes, no,

that's not my impression of them, but I think it'll be. They will give off that vibe of being like, um, it was cool, it was chill. So this is what's happened. Celeste had I think a banner first season at SNL. I was gonna say, banner. There they are looking embarrassed, but truly worked on some truly, truly, truly fantastic texts, we should say, and I think, um, you know is

going to You're going to really know them. I am thrilled, thrilled to welcome to Last Culture and into the ears of the readers, into the ears of the incredible stunning. The space is filled with beauty because there's towels and curtains hanging in a closet space surrounding our guests, so less. Yeah, let's talk about how you're feeling, you guys. I am pretty excited to learn how much UM that you each are deputized to sort of stop mid sentence and say we're going to cut this out. And can I say,

it's usually never this much. But I feel I feel that we are in sort of can I and this is a compliment to you. We're in a very comfortable place. Oh and I feel that no are you no, You're no, You're insulted by that. I can no, no, no, to peek behind the curtain at this process um to see another. Did you hear that? No? I know we're not going to stop. Don't do he he perked up as soon as you said process. Sorry, was I supposed to do not? But now we have to talk about Canadian accents. Don't

don't like you're not hard as a rock. Want to talk about Canada, which I'm sure you both bonded over being from quote unquote from Canada. Please, we actually have not really like emotionally bonded over. We've only talked about Canada in a functional like how do we what do we pull from that's can India in order to service this piece of writing. Yes, in a requisite way. It's been a sterile relationship. It's been a very sterile discourse on Canada between the two of us. Would you agree

it's as needed as needed? It's it's it's it's ad hoc. It's an ad hoc discussion of Canada. Should we have this? Should we have this conversation? Now? Have it out if you please. Okay, So let's tell everyone where you grew up and what was Canada like? Well, guess what, I'm from Toronto. That was already said. I didn't say you were from there. What you said you were? You were there at a show. That's true. And can I this is controversial, yes, and I actually hesitate to say that

you should say? And what I actually was not at that show? What this is? What happened? Yes, you were hold on this what happened down? I'm calm. What happened? But I think that you've been too. It is something that is appropriate, which is that I helped recommend names for that you did. In fact, okay, in fact, I think it's something listed on the show poster, because you were to do the show. Well, I had just moved to New York at the time. This is what happened.

But then then what didn't happen was that Matt and Dave left the show and said our favorite was the last. Okay, no, because I've done many other shows with Celeste, and almost every single time I leave it, I say they were my favorite barn. And you know that's why I remember you being such a big part of it is because you truly helped program it. Okay, but I have to say that in listening to the story, I felt that

what you were saying was true. It didn't. It did not feel like a lie to me, even though I intellectually had the knowledge to kind of recall upon that I in fact was. I suppose that's true, and I guess I should. What I should do is be like sorry to say that you were somewhere where you weren't, but also I want to say that actually kind of rocks that you were the best part of a show. You are feeling pretty cool, but I did, Wait, you were not. You were not in Toronto at all at

that time. That's cool cu to me. I had just moved to Brooklyn, New York, and I was so upset to have missed it. And then I think you guys did one like like very soon after that. Yeah, like in New York anyway, you know what it was. It was, it was this is the this is the oral history of Celeste. I don't think so, Honey, asked to do the Toronto version, because everyone said when I asked, we asked them, we us them. And then I was like, wait, wait,

who are the top people that I must ask? And it was everyone said, this is where we come in bowing with the Celeste because everyone was saying Celeste, without a doubt, Celeste. There's no one else. And so I was like Celeste, and so then I reached out to Celeste. Celest says moving to New York, got to do a show there, And I think at that point I was like, oh, you'll do the one in Brooklyn then, because we're doing one imminently when we come back. Then Celeste programs. I

don't think so, Honey, Toronto. I see. Okay, I'm looking through this these these email chains. Oh god, here we go, here we go, here we go. No no no, no no no no. And Celeste, you provided nine names, unbelievable and you said, okay, here we can I actually read this ease emails. So Matt Matt, we all sound great. Actually, hey, celest Matt Rogerson Bon here on the for the podcast A Podcasts Culturestas were giving what's this is Stember three

two eighteen. We were giving your contact infers from the side note boys, and we would love to have you join us for a live so that we were doing called I don't think Sony a j FL Toronto on September twenty nine. The concept of the ship all a lot. And then you say, thanks so much for reaching out. I love I E. T. S H and Lost Culture Stas. I'm so glad you're bringing the show to Toronto. You're going to love the audiences and it's going to be

so mutual. I don't think I'm going to be back in Toronto that weekend in porch, but I actually moved to Brooklyn in August. I would love to do it here sometimes if you have me. Thanks again for us. Okay, is this actually getting uncomfortable? I mean for sure? What I just think it's very important that we get to the bottom of this on on a factual line. Here's what's interesting. There were most of the facts were true. Yeah,

and that is astonishing, and that's like that's what. That's what that's what could make it a movie, Like we could make a movie of this, and it could be based on a true story, you know what I mean, what happened wasn't that you are a writer and you have it or rain and your what's the most compelling way of kind of bringing this history to the public.

And what you came up with was a mostly true, extremely exciting and very flattery story about yeah, and it was about how you stole the show and our hearts. And from then on it was celested every single show I ever broke, and we stand out of every single thing. Before she was hired as a writer on the show Saturday Night Live and had I believe what called what bone called a bat and and and this is that's

and that's heroic but celesque. Can you confirm if you did indeed play one single note at club coming before launching into a set, I have to be honest, is extremely true it because you know who had been sort of tickling the keys before that was one of Henry Koperski,

who plays famously many notes. He plays many notes, sometimes all at one, like different notes coming together to really create I believe what we call in the popular community, and the popular of the community, of the of the popular popular, Yes, the populace that would refer to this

as which means popular music. And so to see Henry sort of get up there and sort of work so hard, playing all these notes, and then to see Celesque get up there, play a single note and steal the show to her, and everyone's saying and and and so far as music, It's what I always say to Henry, smarter, not harder, Henry, Henry absolute pathetic. Okay, So it's Toronto, and then it was New York, not spend it. Yeah, and now it's closet and San Francisco. Can you do

you want to talk about? This is little California journey you're on because I you texted me last night while I was stoned out of my mind. I TechEd, I texted the last last night. I was like, we were just catching up. And then at one point I just go, oh my god, I might because it maybe because I'm stone but I really do feel I'm watching The Queen's Gambit right now because I didn't finish it back in the fall, and like, God, what a star. Whatever we're

talking about. Ana Taylor. We we're talking about a yea yeah, we're talking about We're talking me and talking about an and and I Matt Ray. This is actually breaking news. It's and it's Annie Taylor Joy. There was a moment in her monolo that got cut after dress where she there was a there was a joke I believe written by the genius San Andres, and that was it's Anya. Anya. It's like Annie rhythm, which is the best example I can come up with, unfortunately, but it's a great it's

a good demontic. That was her joke. Not to fuck you guys have really have to read so much more. You have to read that's actually true. Wait, wait, I have a question. Were you as taken with Anya as Bowen was? Because Bowen actually he doesn't always do this um because I feel like he doesn't want to be like uncool, but he doesn't. He'll sort of I'll be the one that asked like and I'll get a truthful answer from my sister. Usually it's like great. Usually everyone's

everyone's good. He never says bad. He'll either say fine or he'll say great. And for Anya, it was got to say good vibes lover cool as hell, funny and down. Were you as taken with Anya as our our girl? Bowen was? I have to be honest it once again and go with yes, it's interesting because I do. Yeah, there's usually not much to report. I would say, really there really isn't. Yeah, like just especially if it's like a question like you know, are they cool? You know,

it's like there's usually not there's usually no news. But we were obsessed with her, but you and me, But you and I and especially you had multiple contexts of spending time with her, interacting with her, and then I think when you and I shared those those interactions, like we would like watch her like on the like at village or whatever, we'd be like, oh my gosh, she's like she's so good, you know. Yeah, she could really like she was really cool, and she could hang like

she could hang. Yeah. I do want to say those celest And I hate to break this to you, but I feel like whenever I'm around you, I always am trying to be on my coolest behavior. How do you How does that make you feel? They have a cool sort of magneticism that actually draws It's like cupping where sort of draws it out of other people. Certainly a cruise, he's a bruise. But it's actually but then like people still put it on the Insta stories because they want

to they want to show. They put on in stories that they paid for it. Wow, that they're going in that they're going to accute pressure or whatever the hell? You know, Matt, I think you're really cool around me. I tried, That's what I trying super hard. You've also seen me in zones where I'm like, gotta be a little cool because I'm like hosting a show or public facing facing mats, not like slop industry mat. Yeah, talk about this at this California journey. What brought you there?

Were you seeing everything? How do you feel about California in general? Recently they have removed the drudge struck down, the assault rifles, assault weapons ban, and brought me here. That's what brought you? Well, I'm in SF right now and I'm saying in an airbnb not who docks my own self, but I in preparation for this recording, I did hang what could only be described as dirty cowels and sheets around a closet to sort of I don't

really know. I think I was feeling bad that I didn't have an external microphone and sort of had to compensate for that in a physical way. And I don't mean to bring this this into this discussion. No, no problem. But did I not tell you it's no worries if you don't have an external mike. You did say that, but you also followed up about whether or not I hadn't because you didn't answer, and and then, and this is what happened, Matt, and the producers of this show

already throwing under the bus. I just want to point out, we're following up with me. They were like, do they have mike? And I was like, I'm asking, and I will report back when I know. And so then I felt the need to double pump and ask you again and be like, I'm sorry, let me know, and do let me know when you have If you have, it might and and to know now that, oh my god, this is awful to know that you feel a certain way about hanging up all these dirty coats. And Matt

feels like he's thrown under the best. I can't win. I can't I need a w in this life. I mean, I you literally were before you were sounding like very like sort of hot before when you were sort of making my booty wiggle before with the way you were talking. And that's for you. The threesome not not every threesome a double and that's a real culture, it's real cure number seventy, not it's a w um Well, Celeste, any threesomes on in in your pastor on the horizon, yeah,

I have had one. Yeah, tell tell us in detail, including names. I really feel that Bowen didn't share enough details where I don't feel I don't think completely comfortable. You didn't share details about yours. Yeah, you didn't ask And by the way, I I followed up with the I followed up with people in said threesome who listened to the episode, and they said Boone didn't really ask a question about it, and I was like, you know, he did it. And by the way, they also told

me they're not having threesomes anymore. So I don't know if that's a comment on my abilities and said reason. And I did follow up about that. I was like, I hope it's because I didn't sunk up. They said, no, no, no, we loved you. We just decided it wasn't for us for other reasons. And I was like, okay, great, and they were like you're the best, we love you. And then I was like great, So so just know that's how that ended. Wow, And that's me sharing a lot

of details. And then they're gonna listen to this episode and and I'm sure there'll be a conversation about it, and they'll they'll probably reassure me and be like, it wasn't you. We had a great time, and I just want to clarify we did and I did just raising my hand. Everyone had a great time. And yet they decided never again. Yeah, they've decided never again. I think that's okay. I don't think that says anything about I honestly don't think it says anything about you, Matt. I

don't think so either. But I didn't think it was funny. I find it interesting that they sort of turned to put the blame on Bowen for not asking more questions. Yeah, I'm sorry, Well it was funny because we we literally it was so funny because we brought it. I listened to it again and we brought it up. And then Boone was like, so the Friends reunion, No, it's because you you had already told me about the details. I don't one and then one on one. Not every conversation

needs to be for the readers. You know, you're so right because they're mixed company. Mixed company and okay, I mean, uh my, my review of this threesome is that it seemed like it was fun for all good. But I will say I am also a little hung up on the fact that they were like, he didn't really ask a question. It's like when the three of you were naked together, were they were the two of them playing?

To me, it wasn't like that. It was just I think that everyone involved was like and that wasn't me was like, huh, like it didn't seem that interesting to Bowen. And we should say it's because I told Bowen about it beforehand, in fact, pretty much right after it happened, because I was excited about it, and was I not excited with you. I was. I met you on your level and I was like, he even FaceTime to me about it with Joshua D. Sharpe. You didn't FaceTime me, yester,

No you didn't. Okay, Well, first of all, I was running all about how look this is about celest review review your threesome. Now now, I said, without details. Uh, it was good and then bad. That sounds about right, you know, and and and in as in a way that is general to all three somes, no matter, no matter the gender permutations. Yeah, three somes are good and

then bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because ultimately, during a threesome experience, you run the risk of sort of two people enjoying it more than one other one for sure, just on a numbers level. Yeah, the numbers are going to be against you can't all three be on the same page. And that's why we're all fighting. That's where we're all fighting.

We're all fighting. I mean, the triangle is never going to be equilateral, not even you're lucky if it's Isosceles, bitch, because most of the time you're dealing with scaling, okay, equal, I don't triangles more like the white rhino extinct. Oh really, sorry to bring that up with This is a this is a current event, and if we hadn't mentioned the white rhinos extension, we would have heard about it. Thoughts

on the extinction of the white rhinos. Yes, well, I would hate for the people you had a threesome with two say that I did not say enough about that. And that's why. I just want to come up clean and say, hey, that's what a shame, right, what a shame? I am upset? Yeah, okay, well, now we answered the question about the white rhino. Thoughts on the extinction of the white rhino, that's what I was talking about. I thought you were talking about the threesome. Only positive feelings

about Matt's threesome. I would love you offline about it FaceTime. Thank you your family to me. Now you'd say that you would you would categorize your feelings on the extinction of the white rhino as angered angry. I said, I think upset. I think it's bad. That's my official statement. And if anybody listening wants me to say more, I will, because I listen to feedback. It is important to me. You do you really do? You've taken all feedback and you accept it. Do you do you fight for animals?

Would say that I do fight for animals to be happy and for owen to be happy. Thank you not to seem cool around me, this is good. We want to talk about something. Frank Gillespie is a little bit. I think she's retiring a catchphrase that she was using. I think now Celeste has has adopted, which is that'll

be perfect for me. It's some form like if it's good, no matter what the contact is, if if it's something good or bad, happy and as someone's like we're so sorry, like you don't qualify for this credit card, let's say that'll be bad for me. Well, sometimes, and this is actually just the truth, sometimes someone will think if they have a catch phrase, that's theirs, and then someone else will come along and sort of take that catchphrase and guess what, the glove fits a little snugger on them.

So you I mean this For example, it's like when when Houston came along and saying I will always love you. Did she write the song the tune? No, Dolly Parton did. But you can't say that that glove doesn't fit a little snugger on MS Houston's hand, And so I feel this is the same with you. Fran can sort of get fucked because it looks like this catchphrase is fitting pretty well on you. I want to start. I want to start as many conflicts as possible. Yeah, we're here

because is not abuse, you guys. I was conflict abuse you guys, you guys, it was there, you guys in there yeah, okay, does not abuse you. Guys. I think it's time we asked. So that's the question. Hi time, Hi time. So that's what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is the culture that made you and your work, in your life and

your being move in a cultural direction. Picture young Celeste sort of at a crossroads of culture, sort of in Toronto doing I don't think where they worthy at the show. That's the cross of the crossroads. Talk about the culture that founded you for me, And I'm so scared that somebody has already said this. It doesn't matter. That's fine because because the way that you say it is going to be different than them. Yes, it was the first

um script I ever laid eyes on beautiful. It was do no. No one said it, No one said it. And actually I really fucking appreciate it, because Matt, I've told you and I'm even probably said on the pot a million times. I'm like, and there's a reason why

that is an Oscar winning screenplay. Like that is actually because the people who just love to shoot on Juno as a movie are like, oh, it's like all like the slang that like that, like that, like that, that's like the stupid oh you mean the fucking the point of view style and point of view and like, yeah, just incredible and and Diablo Cody, we love talk talk about talk about. Um My mom had seen it, I

guess at a tiff at the Toronto International Film Festival. Industry. Yeah, I've been kind of I was sort of raised by the industry, and she had seen it. She told me, like, I think you should watch it. If your mom knew that you would like it, yeah, like she had recommended it to me. And then I guess at the time, I had just learned how to like torrent movies, but I couldn't find the Torrent for it was what was

your preferred platform, your preferred software? Lime wire? Yeah, I was started reaching high uppit to the family computer, kind of clacking away at lime wire. Your mom was like, you should find a way to watch this, yes, And it was like probably like had just premiered. Like I didn't really know how like movie releases work, and so I was like trying to tourned it for weeks and um, what what year? It was probably like two yeah, two seven, Um, and so I couldn't find the clip or like the

movie itself but I found the script. Oh so you read the script like as if it were some sort of book. Yes, I read it like over and over again. Had you already been into like plays at the summer theater like develops and that was wow? Not at all? Yeah, m I yeah, we were very much like a movie watching Household, But I didn't really it wasn't my personality

yet to like what to do that got it? So then talk about there's no I mean like talk about like what you like felt, because I really I really loved the Street and actually makes a lot of sense, you think, I think? So, yeah, say more about that. It's like it is a movie that is like just so tightly conceived, and it's about like can we say it's I just think it's like I I'm obsessed with that movie in a way that like I don't think I have not found that other people have, which I

know is such a gross thing to say. I do feel like whenever I bring it up, I have to be like I have to qualify in such a way that it's like I actually think it's a great movie which I hate and I should stop doing I should I should do that. Can I say why I think that's true. I think the reason why we have to qualify liking it is because I think I've said it on this podcast before, but that movie came out at a time when the apptw comedies were all coming out,

and it had Michael Sarah. So when I went to go see it in high school, I went to go see it with all my male friends and they were all straight, and I had told them that I was really excited to see it because I felt it was gonna be I would think I was really excited to see it for what it was, and I thought maybe it would be like a harder comedy than it was and not like a sweet, stylish, cool movie with a

female protagonist. UM like it like it was, And I think that um, my friends got angry with me because I had went so hard and wanted to go see it and they didn't connect to it. So I think that maybe Bowing up at the time, that was a similar situation for you, where it's just like but I was was we were still closet and when that came out, bow totally, but there was just there was something about like I just watched it, I rememberthing wow, okay, like like Elliott Page is like a star, like put him

in everything. And then it was just like I was thrilled with a one on the Oscar? Why was Vanilliott was nominated? I was just like I was like, yeah, fuck you did. The people who don't there was just this like am I crazy? Hans saying that everyone picks on the Hamburger phone? I mean the Hamburger phone is is it? Is it like late? But she's a teenager.

She's a teenager. I think we can say the Hamburger phone is is a is a moment in the script where it's just like, okay, this is like this character has a Hamburger phone, and I can I think some people say this is like a twee bridge too far, but not me. I'm not one of those people. I think phone is lovely. Yeah, I mean it felt like I think because of like the like you know, drawn kind of style of it. It's sort of it is

like quirky in this way. But to me it was like, so, um, the way it's written is like kind of not as a comedy, if that makes sense, And like I think that that was like exciting to me, like because I yeah, like was always draws more like romantic stories, and like, I think what was exciting about it was that, like it's sort of like sneakily a comedy. It wasn't trying hard to crack you up like all those Apple Town movies were. Like, it wasn't like Vince Vaughan improvising at

us hard for three minutes straight. It was like it was right, which I yeah, what do you think? I find it very upsetting? Is like here it is the laugh is coming. Get ready for it? Yea, exactly exactly, And like the movie is like a very surprising story in its own way where it's like like I remember going in not knowing too much about it, and then like the whole Jason Bateman, like the whole story of Juno, and like just hanging out with Jason Bateman's character is

like this is not what I expected. And and then it plays out in a very bizarre way. And then like I just I think clearly Elliott's the best part, but Jennifer Gardner is like the unsung and the movie does not work without her that performance In a way, does that make sense? Like like like would she like that in that first scene when they meet and she's like, um, you found us in the Penny Saver like that, like like the little moments like that are like kind of

the keystones to the movie form clearly. And it's like a blue collar story and it's you know, it's so it's so like active, you know, like it's like this like young girl who just like going out and doing all these things. And I think that's also why it's like it feels like gripping in this way, like you're scared for her the whole time. It's like a completely

dangerous story. Yes, yeah, I also think, um, like it's funny we bring up Jennifer Garner and obviously Elliott like because they're such a big part of it, Andrewson Bateman but even down to the tiny part and Michael Sandoway mentioned but so good, Jenny so good. J K. Simmons is so good in it. Like you get the sense that the entire cast um wanted to be a part of it because they read the script and they were like,

I have to be a part of it. Like it really does the'll go back to the script, I think, and um so and like yes, like the performances are great and I think that you know that one of my favorite lines in the movie is when Jennifer Garner finds them when they're playing instruments and she goes not to interrupt the jam session. But that was an improvised line.

And um, like, I think that when a script is as we said about last week with My Eastown, when a script is so specific and you get the opportunity to get so specific with the characters, that allows the actors to get specific. And that's why all the performances are so good, because the script is so good and so specific. And I think that it sometimes gets boiled down to, oh, that's that script with the Hamburger phone.

But meanwhile, Hamburger phone is like a funny specific that the character says because she has a Hamburger phone, you know what? And like, who among us as teenagers didn't have some fucking stupid novelty thing in our rooms, Like yeah that I don't. I reject that completely. That bullshitting on the hammer that actually sucks. Actually, if you're if you if you're bothered by the Hamburger phone in Juno go to jail, jail before we abolished, it's a it's

a thinly veiled like complaint. I think about it being like a teenage girl speaking, I agree. Just say that you hate teenage girls. Yeah, just say that you hate teenage girls. Oh you know. You know what other great Jennifer Garner moment is in that movie is um towards the stands Jennifer Garner like she is bones queen, She's

my queen. But she like like at the end, like like the last scene between that you see between her and Jason Bateman were like like they get into the fight and then he's just like, I need time, and then she's like for what to be a rock star? Like I'm like the way she delivers that, I'm like Jesus Christ, I remember, like I remember the way it sounds. And then oh, and then I think, I'm pretty sure this is this is improvised. It must be a presure.

Must have been Elliott's idea. But when she went, you know, like throws the when they get into a find, she runs out and she's just like, I listen to your Sonic Youth album and it's just noise. Like that is such a funny line. I think it's a fantastic movie,

really really good. I haven't seen it so long, but I was just trying to think of and you know, like sort of young kind of media awakenings, and that was the only one that like I I sneak, you know, all of them are like fucking SNL things and whatever. That was really the like, I really think that was like the beginning. That's good. Let's let's said I was thinking of media awakenings. And then they go, hell as

if that wasn't the premise of this whole fucking show. Yeah, actually rude, yeah, pretty much in the huge critic of this show and have planted ideas all over the internet about why I think it should end up. Yes, you know, like it's it's actually interesting, like this was like a like a weird triptych of Elliott page performances earlier early

on that are so fucking good. And I actually think that like Juliett Page doesn't really get the credit as an actor because hard Candy Juno and sorry, whipp It Bit, we have to put respect on whipp It's name because it is good. And Drew Barrymore was a great director, Kristin Wig was great in it, Marcia Day was great in it. Marcia gay Harden was stunning in whip It. Yes, yes, yes, I should watch that whip it is good and Juliet Lewis also turns out giving one of the most Juliet

Lewis performances ever. And bring it back to Tiff. I think I saw the premiere of that Tiff that would make sense you were a Tiff kid, it seems. Yeah, I'm just kind of scene at Tiff. Could you imagine going to a film festival as a child, Matt, I can't. I don't. I don't have that. I don't have that ability to imagine that. Being raised by the industry my life. So my life would turned out so much better if I truly can't imagine being a child at ten. That

could go on try to torrent things either. But gen Z is in the chat, so you know everyone and everyone in gen Z has been to Tiff or tell your Ride or any of the big festivals. Yeah, they just give them out to gen Z like industry passes. God,

I can grow up with us, you know. Also, I'm also remembering not just a hot back to June, because you know who else is favorite movie this is is Jared um and so so he had on Shuffle like a couple weeks ago, like um And I guess the soundtrack to Juno was playing anyone could see with anyone else, but that song is so sweet and it ends so sweet. I remember, I remember at the time when I was like sixteen seventeen watching it. It was ending like that

and a huge part of me was loving it. And all my straight friends are like, song, dude, I were listening to this song, Dude, why is Michael Sarah singing? Dude? You know that's such a good soundtrack. It's so good. Cat Power think of love cap Powers. Yeah, that's that's that's that's a great cap Power cover. Did you know this was Roger Ebert's number one movie of the year

two thousand and seven. Really yeah. But also the impact of it was like like taking indie movies like seriously yeah, and it was a movie about a teenage girl that was like that. People were like, hey, this is and they never because they never say this. They're never like this is good and worthy of a words consideration and like,

you know, one of the best of the year. It feels like if a movie is ever about like teenage girls, they kind of like it has to get its credit later, you know what I mean, Like people only notice that Clueless is a fucking a plus script for all time. Years later, people only talk about Mean Girls as a

prestige comedy script about teen girls. Years later, it felt like this was a weird exception to that rule totally, but and yet it was still I mean the reason where I hate that we're I kind of hate that I brought into the discussion that like, oh, people seem to really dislike it when that doesn't have to be part of the legacy of Juneo. Um, So I'm sorry

for bringing that into the conversation. As soon as Left was like, my thing is Juno, and I was like, oh, isn't it so awful that people don't like Except No, but I think you're reacting to something that's real, which is I mean, there's a lot of things, but I think it's a lot of patriarchy. It's a lot of patriarchy involved with this movie. That movies about girls get like fucking relegated to like some like lower status or something.

And I think what I'm saying is I'm not surprised to hear you say that, Bowen, because I think the patriarchy has affected us visa VI this movie more than we realize. Because we were at a weird age when it came out because we were sort of trying to figure it out in that way. Does that make sense? It makes total sense. I'm a that Diablo Cody fan them because I've never seen Jennifer's body. Oh, Jennifer's Body is one of my favorite movies of hers. And we

have to get Diablo on the pot. I just realized, And one and one thing I want to do is look her in the eyes and say, Jennifer's body deserved more to less. Do you stand Jennifer's body? Yeah, it's good. It's so good, except there's one part of it I don't like, which is when they have that weird sex scene. Yeah.

I really watched that movie at like a boy girl like party in the basement, and I I was sweating so much and my like ass was like touching this like boy's ass, and like I just remember feeling warm for like many reasons warm. And all I really feel is that when I hear Jennifer's body. But Bowen, I think you should watch Okay, and can I ask the

sex scene is gay? It's between Megan Fox, who's great in it, and then Mana cypred and basically like it feels like it was sort of put in there by the That's how I feel is it just feels like this had there was no real hint or intimation that they'd be interested in doing something like this. It felt like something that was a symptom of Megan Fox being in the movie, and some dudes that were involved were like, hey, we got to put this in there. It kind of

felt like that. Yeah, and and so I'd be interested to ask the question to be honest, Um, But because I think the movie is so good and interesting and actually scary and funny as ship. And I think that again, because it was about teen girls, it didn't get taken seriously as like this sort of like conscious pulp. It was trying to be like I sometimes feel like like boy movies get to be knowingly pulpe, and like quote

unquote girl movies like don't get to be. Then they're like tossed out and like, you know, Jennifer's Body was a quote unquote flop, but it was funny and good and I don't know which gross like to be gross, you know, had that same I think stink on it it's a yuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She also another another movie that Diabolo Cody wrote, which I think is didn't get the credit either as young adult so good genius movie. Oh that's and that is like as unlikable of a

protagonist as you can write like that. Yeah, I can't remember if some of it or not. It's Charlie's best. Yes, wait, and I was thinking of well when you said, I was thinking of Tully Yeah, yeah, yeah, and like so um again like kind of secretly a comedy. Definitely secretly a comedy, but like never trying to be funny, just like it's puts the characters in situations that feel so

real that it's funny. But and it's definitely I mean it's it's it's categorized on at least Wikipedia as a comedy drama film, but it's it takes a really interesting turn and it's again it's Charlie's who's stunning and Mackenzie Davis totally. I think that also, like the like just kind of thinking more about this influence in my own life. I really do feel like often I really don't know where it comes from, but like a lot of shame about liking comedy and being associated with comedy and like

wanting to do it and I don't know what it is. Well, so let's try and unpack it. Well, do you guys feel this way at all? Always? Always No, Matt's lying, No, I don't feel guilt about doing this. I will say this shame shame I used to be. I used to not say I was a comedian because I was. I thought that sounded presumptuous and I thought I I still to this day have a hard time getting out the words like I'm a comedian because I think that that

means that you think you're funny. And I guess like there's something untoward about saying that I am someone who who lives their life doing it. So probably I should be able to say it. Yeah, yeah, So also, just not to editorialize, but yes you do feel shame it so but but but but you but you're able to

say right away that you feel shamed doing it. What For For me, it's that working in a place like s and Now, where um everyone is able to evaluate you on a granular level, whether or not you have six you you are funny because what happens, at least with s and or with most comedies, it's like the it's sink or swim no matter what it's it's like either either the audience thinks either one person thinks you're funny or or you're that you're not completely almost always

a binary thing, and then they let you know either way. And then the fact that people are so quick to evaluate that and then tell me, um, it feels like like feels too available. It feels like you're shame has to do it completely. It is completely and everyone else no, no, no, no. But my shame has to do with like, sorry, my shame has to do with people, um being able to

like m yeah and someone yeah, my shame. My shame has to do with people like thinking that they can decide for me whether or not I am good at this and they can they can't and they don't and like I don't. For the most part, it doesn't affect me, but sometimes it does. And that's and the shame kind of grows from there, from like the thought that like, oh, this person doesn't think I'm funny? Do I care? And if I if the answer is kind of yes, And

that's when I start to feel a shame. Yeah, it is like a it's like a high risk, high reward kind of situation. Always like in trying to make somebody laugh, because if you try to be funny and you are not funny, then there's nothing that's more degrading than that feeling. But if you try to be funny and you make a bunch of people laugh, there is truely your God,

your God, there's no higher feeling than that. I mean, this is like, this is like the shitty part of working at SNL, which is and like it took me a while to realize that everyone feels this. Every person at that place has felt this way. Who has ever worked there has felt this way. Which is like if you like to have a thing go badly at table read and then the thought that the thought that you end up at the death the terminus is everyone thinks

I'm a bad person. Everyone here thinks I'm a bad person, and they don't like I. They don't like me, and they never liked me. It's like that, like that, like the shame, like like failure is a seed crystal. Failure in like a single moment is a seed crystal that blossoms into this like crazy lottict of like oh my god, I'm bad, I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm a bad person. That's the crazy thing about it too, though, is that I feel like that like danger of oh

is this going to make who someone laugh? Or is this going to be the worst mode of my life? Is true? Even of even in the lowest circumstances, like at a show with seven people, like it feels like a life or death. It's high risk, higher ward all

the time. And I think that feeling is I don't, I don't know, like it's it's built in for me, Like I never felt proud of like being in pursuit of comedy and don't feel particularly proud or like, you know, able to be honest about being like in comedy and like a comedy writer, like that always feels like hell. And I don't And I think it's it's tied to that, but I kind of still don't really understand why. Well, is it fair for me to say that your success

has happened quickly? Yeah? So I think that's the email read of meling. But three years ago, I don't feel you grovel. I think you and wait, this is a thing. I feel like, I feel like though this is a thing. Though it's like you do feel you feel you're beating up yourself completely this is helpful for me and Matt. You're saying like you feel shame when you beat up on yourself because you don't want me to be your doctor, you don't want me to be your lawyer. I can't

do anything else. What I can do is be a clown in the square, like I'm good at that, and so are you both to the highest level, celest I, this is just I just I guessed them up all the fucking time. But I and I think celest should be very proud of the scenes you did so well.

I mean for a first year writer that certainly was not not even a story here from the girls, not even for a first To take the take for a first year writer out of it, it's like, yeah, someone who like immediately made connections with people in meaningful ways, who who knew how to work well in different environments with different people, Like it was just like on inspiring and a way that I was just like wow, I like all of us were just like this is incredible,

God bless anyway, Wait talk about this. Let me go back to Junior really quickly. Talk about Juno. Was it was it a quit? Was it a quick ignition when you saw Juno that you're like I want to do I want to do this kind of thing where I

want to write. Well, I think it was reading the script and then seeing it and feeling it's like moved by this the movie in the way that I felt movement the script that made me understand like, Okay, these things are connected, something's going on here um And I think I like really like connected to that that translation, Yes, was there was there was Was there a moment that any of you remember where you were first conscious of who was writing something that you enjoyed, like like where

you were paying attention to the credits in a way that was meaningful for me. I think that was like, and this is such a basic answer, but it was. I think it was Mean Girls where I was like watching us A Nol so so much and I was like just like excited by the fact that tinafe was writing this movie and I was just like, oh, she

wrote this, and it's it's got Lindsay along. It's like like all of it appealed to me in a way, and then like it was meaningful to me that it was like, oh, she wrote this, and she's behind all these jokes and the story and the way that like things happen and this is all like through one person. What about do you remember? For me? It was, um, the first time I ever realized that it could be a job you could have. Of course I understood that

people wrote movies and television shows. But the first time I ever thought, oh, wait, that's a job I would like to do is when I was watching Lost, Like I remember there was a scene where there was a

scene where it was episode six of season one. It was called House of the Rising Sun. It was with Son and Jim, and I remember there was a scene at the end of the episode and it was Son was going to leave Jim at the airport and she was walking towards the car that she hadn't she had arranged to be there, and she turns over her shoulder engine Um Daniel Dake Kim, the hottest man in the world, lifts up a flower like it's it's like an orchid

or something like Son's favorite flower. And then young and Kim who played Son, turned around and she you can see in her eyes she makes the decision to stay. And then they get on the plane that they crashed on the island Fate. And I was just like and that was like a flashback, and I loved the flashback device of that first season of the show. And you know, it's such a good first season of television, especially for

someone who's fourteen. Um. But I remember after that episode ended, I was like, God, that was so good, and next week there's gonna be another one and I'm gonna find out more about these characters. And that's when I was like, you know, realizing, like and I would like to be a part of making that. Like that was one that that was when the I was it was everything. It was the writing, it was the directing, it was the acting,

it was the music. And I just remember being like, oh, I want to be a part of making television or making this this this movie to TV whatever, because I now I'm getting it's clicking for me that it can be created. For some reason I watched I was like that child that watched everything as if it wasn't a vacuum, like movies were just this magical thing or whatever, and that that was the first show where it clicked for me. And I did start to note like who was creating

television shows? And I would look up interviews with like whoever was the creator of the show or the writer of particular episode, to the point where when I got to college, I was like what I was studying and I was particularly looking at like you know who I looked up to the most, What about u celst? What about lest? For me, it was and you know how in in the at the Oscars some years during this like Screenwriting Awards, it would be like a clip for the movie and the script would be it would be

like bedroom, she walks in and places hand. I think they're extremely morny and I really think are smartly demystify the process a little bit of page to stage in a way that I found extremely inspiring and like and again it's that control. It's that control of like the movement from the script to this green It's like, Okay, there's something in that like in between it being typed out like on your little computer and then seeing it

physically like materially. Um, it's I think that's really exciting. And I find that kind of actually extending at a snow. It is kind of you know what I did I tell you guys this, either of you. The fact that I got Stone and watched pretended to sit in January in my bad and then I told myself, I'm gonna play her on update and then it happened. I'm like, that makes me horny for me, not for myself, but just for that process, right of, Like, oh my god, it can happen that way. Yeah, And aren't I so

lucky that I have that available to me? And isn't every writer who works and who's working right now, like, aren't they so lucky? And like I think it's totally there was like, um, when you remember years ago when I did that Star Wars sketch for above above Average, Like that was the moment where I had that where I was like, they will never put me in the Star Wars, but I will put myself in a Star Wars adjacent sketch where I will get to fight with

a lightsaber. And it was just and then I got and I was watching it and I was like, oh, I thought with a lightsaber. The sketch is called we Meet Again, and you did that and you wrote that, Yeah, it was cool that well, that was something I discovered like doing sketch in college too. It was like, oh, you can do anything you want if you write, yes, it's cool, it's horny. It's romantic where you're like, I kind of am a little bit curious about that. I have like a little idea about that, and then it

happens like it's like it feels so good. Yeah, oh I love this. That is horny. We're all really horny right now hearing it about writing. I don't think about how the Oscars production steeped into my little child grain What do you? What are you? What have you? What are you watching or have you watched recently that you're like horny for the writing of? Oh shit, Um, all I'm watching right now is Top Chefs And which is what the writing of? What? Like? Who writes what pads?

What's what's the writing process? I'm wondering. I think that if they don't have a room, they definitely have like contributing producers who are like, here's an idea for a bit, and then you know what, they probably do have. What we had on Hot Dog was we had Neil Casey and U and also Nicole Thurman, so they were right, they were writing it together. So shows like that do have like comedy writers that comp with the funny stuff that promises not to say that Podma isn't coming up

with whiz bangs of her own. Oh she is. She is a writer. She writes the show the way that she keeps the keeps the show running of You know, now let's go to Judge's table. At Judges' table, we will be talking like she is. That's plodding, you know, the way that you're getting right now, you are a pot maholic. I love her and I appreciate what she has done for me. She has done it all and

tastes the nation to in her. In her Hulu docuseries, you can tell she is like the guiding hand and that especial even I think I think in the writing to like a lot of it is very like it's like a prose poem that she's narrating, and it's like she must have written this in some fashion as a writer. I just think that she's so good at what she does that it comes out like poetry. It flows well. I mean, when she was on this show, she was

talking about the Book of Spices that she wrote. You know, she has every spice in the world and she has it's like essentially like a glossary that she wrote of spices. And she was like, because because I didn't she mention that she has like an experienced power or something, or like a super it has like super advanced palate that's

like genetically gifted in some sense savant for tasting food. Oh. That that honestly must be why they have that challenge to read every season of like the smelling the of the different spices. You know, they blindfold them and they give them like, you know, thirty ingredients and you can only use the one that you get right, and she like you can. You can see the sparkle in her eye when they're doing the the little tasks that she likes his favorites. Mm hmm. If you're panis favorite, that's huge.

It's good. It's really good. Are you guys watching. I hear this is a good one. I'm not watching, but I hear this is a great one. Good. I was

just talking to Degree about there's like this episode. There's this episode where they did like a drive in theater because it's all COVID yes um restrictions, and yeah, they do an episode where they're like they're like at a drive in and the chefs have to make like kind of drive in movie friendly snacks and to introduce each The competition was to make a food for different genres of film and to introduce the genre. Pama does a

little I'm gonna go ahead and call them sketches. She does a sketch free genre, and she is loving it. A sketch actress, she haunts. It's wonderful. It's the first season that isn't centered on the Caucasian palette, the Western or the Western palette. I'm going to start an important season. Yeah, it's important, as if every Top Chef season was not important. It's Portland's right. Yeah. So Gregory's around a bunch. Oh yeah, he around, cute, Kame is around and he is cool

and hot. And Melissa Melissa, so all this so all? So is this this is the gag? Is that all the kind of iconic contestants of yesterdayere are all sort of judges now, yes, yes, Kristen is there too, honey. Yeah, And I can't. I just want to say, and I want to say, readers, read I'm gonna I'm gonna address this, readers. I do keep having a moment with my Internet that

it drops in and out. And this is truly this is how you know that just like Top Chef, we are COVID too, because and this is like, it's really getting me going from my from my I don't think so, honey, because I was gonna do it on weekly bottoms. And if Spectrum Internet is going to make me do it on then now that's going to be the way it is. Because the fact of the matter is this is all Spectrum's fault because Verizon you don't get this, Verizon files,

you don't get this drama. Yeah, the people have to know where we are at, and it is that we are all a little bit stressed about technology. And then I do think it's the undercurrent of of this episode. And yeah, and still will we rise and rise, Let's do a check in, let's do it. Che Bowen, how are you? How are you feeling? I feel okay because I this is actually a little scary for me because I'm staring at my Spectrum router and I'm like, this will turn on me someday, very soon, and I'm not

looking forward to that, and I actually want to. I had the worst experience of my life. That was a dark day when I had just moved. So I just moved into my this apartment on April. Exhausted by that day because it was raining outside. It was a terrible day to move to the twenty two, I go back in to shoot stuff um all day, and then the twenty three I had to go and make sure my my wife I was set up in my house because I did do a bunch of stuff in my house,

and then went to the Spectrum place. Sat there for an hour and a half because no one because the people who there was two people working and they were none of them knew what they were doing. And it was just like it was like not their fault. It was just like Spectrum as a company is bad and does not set their does not set their employees up to do their jobs well. And so it's like I just I think Spectrum as a company is um as pernicious as they come. It's as Peter I was gonna say,

as pernicious as they come. I literally was. And also I want to say something, and I want to I want to sort of just cut through because celest Us bo and how he's feeling, and so I'm just gonna offer how I'm feeling. No, I was gonna go to

you next, Matt, how are you feeling? I could tell I know what it's like to be on a zoom and one person is having the technical issues, and I know that, regardless of the fact that it has nothing to do with me as a person, that people on the zoom feel irritated with that person, and I know it makes me upset. It makes me upset because I don't want to be the person bringing tension to the zoom. But I know that this constant like give and take of my internet is I can hear in Bowen's voice

driving him crazy. It just takes me out of It takes me out of this conversational sort of cadence that we have. I know, and I have nothing to do with that. We've had to feel so many things. No, it's okay. We've all been everybody has been that person, and in fact, I think it was me at the beginning. Remember a guy no, no, no, no, you remember even a shining example of excellence in this podcast episode when you need to check in with's the last How are

you feeling? How are you feeling good? I'm feeling good because it was me in the beginning, and that's okay. And you don't have to protect me anymore. I am strong. I just want to protect you because you're coming up in comedy, and the rise has been meteoric, and I just I see the wolves bone and I know about the wolves. The wolves are out to hunt. I don't

want the wolves to sort of come for you. And so that's why, that's why I feel very protective of because you're someone that I immediately I saw I saw on that stage Toronto, and I knew. I knew from then on. I was like, that's my baby, and the wolves better not take Maybe if the wolves took my baby,

I'd be so upset. I'd be like Meryl Streep in that movie What movie to Cry in the Dark Never the Dingle at her baby and they were like, no, you killed the baby, and she was like, I swear to you, I swear to God the dingle ate my baby. And there's a famous scene where she says the dingo ate my baby. And can you imagine just reading that script and being like, yeah, let me let me do this, and then not only doing it, but earning an OSCAR nomination.

I can't. And I know you. I think you're so talented. I don't think your Meryl Streep. Thank you, Oh my god, and thank you. And that shows me that you respect me to hear that the same. It's so cutting and so true. I think not even cunning is just respectful to say the truth. I think that you are still last. Mery is Meryl. There we go, there we go, there we go, there it is. I think it's time to move on. I don't think it's on it. I think it's time to move on that. I don't think so. Honey, Yeah,

we can tell when Bowen has had it. This is what's going on, is that these two people are on the usually how it is is these no no, no right now is so I'm so tired because guess what, it's three hours later here. So let's get I checked in yesterday. We're both still in the sort of energy upswing of the SNL postseason. I'm still I'm still recover. I'm still like downloading myself again. Does that make sense? Reboot, rebooting the hardware? Yes, and trust me, I went to

Disneyland yesterday. Did you have to understand I am actually I know what I don't think Sonny is. Oh my god, oh my god, it just clicked. Sorry, but I just wanted to say that, like I'm I'm not tired, I'm just like a little like you it's it's it's yes, it's it's like that thing of the season ended and you said, great, now I can relax. And the mistake you probably made was by relaxing, you meant hang out with friends, socialized download but that is energy expense. Yes,

it's hard. I am so tired. Every conversation is uphill for me. When will you be back in New York this last soon in a week. I'll see you every day when I get my when I see you there, I'll see every day. Yes, I don't really let him relax because even when we're just hanging out, just the two of us, it's sort of Bowen sitting down in me like kind of sort of like bouncing around the apartment. He knows it's true. Look at him, smile. It's it's, it's it's it's it's Golden Retriever and like cat and

let's the best pair. I would that you know who else would love sude? Let's do that super from eighty and I like it. Eight eight. I do feel like Celeste is like in the family, you know, welcome. But I mean this in the way that like I sometimes I'm just witnessing student Celeste have little moments like where I don't figure into it at all, where I'm like, that's that's beautiful. Come here to let us care for you. Welcome to the family. So that's beautiful. Okay, this is

I don't think it's really nice. This is I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one on something in culture. We're moving on to that friend of the show, Padma, Bone's gonna I don't think, honey, Padma. No, we're gonna play it for her. No, we literally do think so, Podma so hard. We love Padma. We do think so, honey, pad This is um, I know Matt has a topic prepared. Yeah, I do. Okay, this is

Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. Disneyland kind of moved you in any direction it see, Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. The Avenger's Campus

at Disneyland, California, it opened last weekend. I went, how come you have to get on a five hour wait to get into this damn thing to even get into the land, And then when you get into the land, which I didn't all they have is a Spider Man Webb Slingers attraction, which is basically you shoot webbs at a screen, which is again a video game, not a ride. I don't so, honey. These major theme park attractions that are video games not rides, I don't think so, honey. Also,

I don't think so, honey. I in order to even get on the web Slingers you have to wake up at sixty nine am to get on at seven am on the app, and you have to within fifteen seconds make yourself reservation for the ride. And if you don't get it, well, honey, your s o l for the rest of the day. I don't think so, honey. I did watch from the outside Spider Man Leap in the Air. That was cute. But you can't even get on Guardians of the Galaxy Mission break Out without getting into Avengels campus.

I don't think so, honey. That. I don't think so honey, the whole thing. It's too complicated. One no, and that's one minute. I am so sorry to hear about this, and that's why I'm going again tomorrow. Nat hold On. We need to sort of start the revolution and say no to reservation culture too. Like between hearing about Vendor's campus and about you haven't wake up and get in a five hour release, and then this is what Rise

of the Resistance was and what I will say. I did do right to the Resistance the other day and it was stunning and resistance it ties together and Boone Yang, I'm excited to get you on it. Okay, great, But I'm just saying between that, between like fucking all these Pride events tickets being like kind of whipped up within twenty seconds, Fucking Coachella, I'm seeing my friends to try to get coach tickets. I'm like, guys, there must be wineries.

We talked about on this very podcast, the concept of debasing yourself, humiliating yourself in order to get into a thing that will know that will almost never live up to the to the fantasy. The experience of it will never live up to the fantasy. Is is suffering is pure pathology. It's like it's it's it's it's actually something that humans should try to pull away from. I we

should avoid this. I just can't tell you how demoralizing it is too, because it's just by design, it's meant to make you want to go even that's where you're going back again tomorrow. I have I have no reference for what all you were talking about. So let me ask you a question. If you were to buy tickets to an amusement park, what would you expect? You go in and if you want to get on a ride, you get online for that? Right? Yeah, that's not how it works. You have to imagine it was two hours

before you get there. You have to download an app and within ten seconds of the of the minute it opens, you have to log on to get on make a reservation for that ride. And if you don't, your s O L should out of luck, ship out of you mean, I'm in sensed, I am, I mean sensed. I just think we gotta we gotta do this. We just gotta not do this. We gotta notorize no, this is no. Then this is the thing, this is the thing. We have to take back control as the consumer. We will

not be consumed. Matt. You will not go to Disneyland. You, I mean you, I assume you're you're going there, but I don't want as soon as you set foot on

the grounds, you understand that you are a consumer. And I've always known that, but they just make it so obvious now that it's like we don't really care, right, And that is the kind of that is the kind of like just oh, that that that inhuman, that apathetic quality to like the to like that kind of thing to everything to like from Like, I don't know why I keep thinking about Coachella, but I was just talking to someone about it and they were like stressed out

about Coachelitch because I was like, I'm so sorry, but you don't have to worry about that, like like there's a there's a world in which you don't care, which I know is like oversimplifying if it's like there's a world in which you don't have to go you know. Yeah, So I thought like that the kind of the whole thing, the whole kind of gift of you know, selling ourselves and dignity to fucking like Disney was like being taken care of and knowing that it was based by being

taken care of. Anyways, It's like, at the very least I want to dis pretend fake it. Yes, I thought this experience years ago when we went and Rise of the Resistance was like fully unhinged and I was like, uhis, I was like, this is actually not good for anyone like I don't understand why this is part like that, it's just not well. And then you know what, they also have the goal to be like in the promotion of it all, be like this is I can't miss.

If you miss this, you'll be talking about how bad you feel for decades if you missed this after you paid up your ass to come here. You are your ship of girls. Girls. All right, that was beautiful, Thank you, Matt. I just and you know, I don't like to be mad at my girls. The Disney Corporation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think that was I don't think Sonny says Celeste, who by the way, Celeste will read you down. That

is another thing about Celeste. They will read you down and they will not even and it'll be a thing of like it happens, and then you'll walk away and be like I just got read down. M m hmm. You know, oh my god, you go, oh my, they

just rend me down. They just read me. I am having a little bit of like somebody I'm visiting kind of old friends, like college friends, and a few of my New York friends are in town, and I think that they have sort of like in the past couple of days, like understood why as I'm like constentally roasting like you are. You are why my friends from Toronto are like almost as sport like constantly, constantly, just like if you speak, you are a fucking idiot. You are

raised in a rough environment. Yes, if you are not roasting, if your mouth is closed, you're getting stomped on. You sort of have to be keeping up with the rhythm. It's the balls of the air. You you made me like that, Yeah, because since I since I met you in Toronto, when you stormed the stage and stole the show, you started bullying me. And this is also something I remember as you started bullying me, and so you bullied me ever since and now I and now I'm like

I have this I never had, oh my god. Yeah, and it causes you to be industry matted. Yeah. I kind of think that that's my influence. Yea, most people know me. It's sort of a mean that's good. You know who's there? Who else is the mean person? Who city green, cruelty bitch I have ever met. One of the first things, one of the one of the earliest things I remember her saying is that she loved mad men. Because mad Men quote understands that human life is suffering.

End quote. She was nineteen. She said, this show understands that human life is suffering. She was nineteen years old. Her whole life was ahead of her. She said that. She also I showed her at the show X Factor and she said, look how many pepsi cans there are? Look how there's so many pepsi cans and they pan up this girl's body and I was like, God, this girl is so she's so jaded and smart. She's gonna

be mad that I'm revealing this. But at one point she wrote a game show sketch for for read through, and the thing was like a game show sketch about like bachelorette parties, and then there was just one specific joke. I forget what the context was, but it was like, um, do you like do something blah blah blah with your with the bachelorette, with it with the bridal party where three of them are like full on fucking nobody are full on nothing, No, three full nothings in the bridal party.

And I'm like, oh my god. There was and a view parody that went, but this joke was cut because I believe. Lauren said it was too it was to me and and he was right in that in that instance because it was actually very mud. There is an endless it's infinite with her, like she'll she'll just be speaking, She'll just say something like yeah, she's a bento. Box mom. Aki doesn't work. Just I'm like, flo, are you talking? It's knives and every direction doesn't work. Okay, it doesn't work.

No one is box mom mom. Should we return soon? We're doing an in person episode with Sutti Green it is. You have to be scheduled, but it will be summer of count for summer, and it will be a wonderful episode upcoming. Everyone's eagerly awaiting the return of Sutti. But for now we will have Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey, Boonen, have you sort of marinated and decided on the topic as a result, he said, marination? Yes, yes, I've decided

marination alright, this is boe. I don't think so, honey. A time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Sun Sets, why are you giving us consistency in the color palette, you fucking bitch. We know what the what colors work. It's blues, it's violets, it's pigs. Don't experiment, don't give us do different eras and do like grays and blues. The there's a universally agreed upon color palette for sunsets that works. And the cloud I don't care that it's

the clouds. I don't care that it depends on like the tilt of the earth or the seasonality of the sunset. Give us the same colors every single night, every crepa skull. No, that's that's that's the dawn, every twilight. Give us the same colors. Otherwise I don't want to see it. I want you to be someone who who does the work and does it predictably. I don't. I think predictability is underrated.

It's oh I I wasn't bring Jennifer Gardner into this, but you have to give us something consistent sunset that's one minute, um wow, So you you you I have a problem with sunsets, which are true verse sunsets. Canna give you all sorts of different story and which one would you hear about? The most blue violet paint? So sort of like a fire island, No, not even fire is You don't want to Fire Island sunset sun Fireland sets. It's gonna be blue is Olympic. I want orange. I

don't want orange. I don't want warm tones. I don't want warm tones. Horrible and guess what? Uh not for nothing but Lion King found dead? Yes, Minkoff found dead, Rob rob a husband of crystals, our new favorite Housewives of Beverly Hills cast member, Oh my God, found dead, Shirley Temples found dead. Duck is controversial. I feel very much it's literally colorist. I don't care. Yes, I don't care. Your color isn't I'm gonna know. I don't think so, honey, excusely.

I believe the lyrics are have you ever the Wolf Karai to the Blue con Moon? What's the part about sunset and that song? Um? I don't think there's a part about sunset. And that's a shame. It feels like I've got opportunity to mention sunsets and colors. Maybe it's just because it's called colors of the wind, colors of the wind. Okay, the majority of the colors of the sound dead, I said, Stephen Short, so found dead colors are the wind? Bone said, more like two colors of it.

I'm finding it hard to even you know, find said there's nothing. He didn't have one, and I thought of that. But still telling this. We'll get it. We'll get this week, I said, I said, this week, I will come prepared with a topic. And I thought it came to me. It's immaculate. The conception. I thought, it'll be sunsets, it will be be consistent. Give us consistency, give us the same color story. I don't want to see different colors

the sun that looks the same every night. Yes, yes, yeah, And it's like an arctic it's like an arctic something. You guys are you guys are acting like I'm crazy, and I don't appreciate you guys are acting like I'm crazy. Crazy. Well that's our Maybe people act act like you're crazy around you because you're crazy. Some things are some things. It's not scible sophomore thing to say. I'm I don't want to do this. If you want to do this, you are s O L shit out of luck sweetiel

parentheses ship out of luck. A good title for the Yes, yes, is it good? I love it? Well, it's really good. What's a good title for what's about to happen is Celeste Gims. I don't think so, honey. Okay, wait, I really could have prepared. I can't believe I've been in the towels, towels more content time. Alright, so Celeste, who is now? I don't think so, honey, royalty, because this is of course not the first of the second, the third canonical time Celeste has done. I don't think, so honey.

Here we go, this is celestiums. I don't think so, honey, And their time starts now. I don't think so honey, seasonal allergies. You need to leave me and my loved ones alone. I am thing. I'm pausing my nose. I and you win when I lose, and it is pathetic. When the weather gets nice, it means that I get happy, and you see that, and you don't like that, and you punished me for that. Okay. You made me and Bowen cough around our friends because and because there's a

different reason that people are coming right now. Are coughing scared them? Okay, and you are scary and they're sad. Um The medicine that I have to take just to keep your bullshit at bay, because me to have other symptoms of other illnesses. My neigg was right. It gives me no I took an a leego before going on a date and was so drowsy that I felt like I was in a dream trying to run and I had to leave abruptly. And now she thinks I'm weird. You are doing illness drag and you're doing it poorly.

My love, you wish you were a contagious illness, but you never will be funny. Your seasonal and you're temporary and as soon as the flowers I you'll be gone to Okay, get a life. Oh my god, wow, that you really ca allergies. Found dead. I'm sick of it. So lust and I were in the Hampton's. I had you had. I have never had that much eggs am in my life because of my allergies. We were coughing all week and people were genuinely scared. They were upset.

I don't like it when when people are bodily around me at all. It was but we were coughing for a long time. It was something that not even a Claton or a Floonees could deal with. That was the best case scenario. We were drilled up. Can I confess something. So last one night, in the middle of the night, you did wake me up because you were coughing a lot, and I thought, are they okay? Okay? Should I go check on them? And there was no, no, No, this

is not humiliating. Well, a few things are happening here. I'm humiliating. So last I am um sendering myself up as someone who could have done something and chose to stay silent and chose to stay. I'm comfortable, comfortable, silent and comfortable in the Hampton. And I apologize to lust and I apologize, Thank you, I forgive you. I don't know why I had to tell that story, but I do. There was a night where I thought, am I going to have to take them to the hospital? Was yeah,

Well it was like a situation. I was like opening the window to get fresh air in these lungs breathing. I truly was slut of black. Yeah at that time, I just I don't know, but this is this day, this day, this day didn't go well. Well, I acted really weird and you should tell her that it was the allergies. If you're still interested, No, you're right. It's just kind of situation where it's running my life. I actually am interested, and I do worry that she will

go ahead and be listening. We can cut the sound. It's not like that. This isn't an extremely vulnerable and raw episode. Yeah, I agree. I think that it's best if we leave it that way. What do you guys think I think we should we should leave it. I think we should leave it exactly as is, no edits. I offer up the option to edit. Well. Matt embraces often embrace, but not really um. But on this episode, we were raw, we were real. Yes, we went there, we went off. We were I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Gosh.

I see if I were sleeping, you know what that would have done. Can I ask you a question, would you have helped a hacking Bowen? I definitely. I think I would have texted yeah, Tted, I think that. Honestly, I was about to go. I was about to go over to you in the middle of the night and be like, be okay, like let's let's go so sweet you would have were you were going to offer to leave the house, I would have been I would offer for us to drive, to drive somewhere, to go somewhere.

He would he was going to take you out back to shoot you. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yeah, he was gonna kill that's the impression I'm getting. This was a pleasure. This is a true pleasure, and you know, we would like you to come back. One of the loves of my life because the second you stole the show at the Toronto, I don't think so high. It was a true moment in time. I will say that moving to New York, I felt that it was possible to be there knowing that you guys were there. I

have long look up to you. I appreciate you both so much. You really both have stuck your next out for me. You freak for the chopping on the chopping block to be cleaved like chicken bone to protect me, and I appreciate I love you both very very much. Well, this was a fun freesome and it was hot and steamy and sexy. It was um and then it eventually got Our butts were all sweaty and hot together, just like it was when you were young and in that

sort of environment. Jennifer's bodies for me. And if you the reader aren't wiggling your bottoms out, then guess what your s oh owt of luck? We finished with a song and don't see what anyone can see. But for more of that song, listen to the Juno soundtrack and as the song was written by Michael Sarah and Elliott Page. Was that I think I wrote it? Oh no, that was That was all the futures. I'm sorry by