"RuPaul's All Stars" (w/ Nicole Silverberg)

with you, for warning. I've had such a hard time, uh, stringing together sentences, a coherent sentences today lately or today today specifically. I was at work and then I went into a meeting, and then I froze at least within the span of twenty minutes, at least eighteen times. I have a canker store under my tongue. I have a cold store. You do right here? See it? It's off is wit, yes, and now I see you. So I

clocked the cold star noted. I was in the middle of a sentence like yesterday, and I found out that I was. I heard myself talking and it was like last sank and I was like, this is not work. Where were you? I was in the middle of a sentence that was my location. Um, you guys, this is such this is such a good episode, and you guys are in for it, honey, honey, because we not only are going to be talking all about RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars, to which I can't believe we haven't talked

about yet. I know, but it's been a little bit of a while since our last episode, and it's such a good season and we have truly an amazing guest to speak about this. I'm a lovely friend. Yes we came up with through Story Pirates. Yes, we all were in Story Pirates together. Um. She's a contributor g Q, contributor to g Q, the host of mouth Time. It's a podcast on Reductor. She's so see an editor of Reductress. One of the funniest satire UM periodicals on was that

would that be the word are? Reductress is amazing. She's also a writer for the USB Mad Team Pretty Boys. She's on the current Lloyd team The Nightmare. You gotta check out everywhere all around New York and all over the cross the Internet. It's Nicole silver Burn I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy. I don't have any chill. I'm very happy to be here. It's a moment in time. And you've actually been trying to get

Nicole a long time. I was going to say, like an inside look into you know, lost Culturestes does you guys tend to record on Tuesdays? And I have a recurring Tuesday conflict of rehearsal and it and every time I get the text of like are you free, it just it kills me to not be free, so it burns. But here we are on a Friday night, and all of us just have gaping holes in our schedule, huge holes.

And we're here now, Nicole. The way we start out the episodes is we have to we have to dig in here and we have to talk about the culture that shaped Nicole Silverberg. When did Nicole Silverberg decide culture was for her? When was culture for you? Yeah? I guess I've just always been, you know, kind of mildly aware of culture, even if I didn't know exactly what

it was. Um, you know, grew up with movies. That's unique. Yeah, And and uh, I don't know, I'm PREMI Arizona so I don't know if this is true for other people, but for me at least, there's a lot of music in my house, lots of music, lots of music. My parents are both musical but and like love music. Um though you know, my dad runs a family business and my mom's an accountant, um so, so music isn't necessarily a part of their occupation, but there they love music.

So I guess probably music would be My music was the first thing I felt like an expert on, so we're wise. This is a question I have because I find that this helps define a person. Who is your dad's favorite musical artist and who is your mom's favorite musical artist? And this is very telling. And do they have a favorite musical arts? I mean, they they love music and they listened to so much. I think it's

very hard to choose just one. But I think my mom has seen Tom Petty and concert maybe six times. That is good. That's a good mom. And like I mean, and they love they love so much. But if I but my mom is a huge Tom Petty fan, and then my dad, I mean, I think I would just have to say the Beatles for my dad. But I mean, you know, a lot of like a lot of classics like Bruce Springsteen, Simon and Garfuncle, Carol King, James Taylor. You know that was that was kind of the soundtrack

of my childhood. Now. Nicole selver brig though famously did an entire show as meat Love I did see and

I couldn't believe you didn't just say okay. So my my my parents do both love meat Loaf, and my dad in particular, had the meat Loaf album Bad out of Hell, which sang selections off of for my show Last Hear Um in his car and my dad would often drive me to school on his way driving to work, so a lot of a lot of music on the way to work, um, and that just a meat Loaf was was definitely a recurring star, although my drive to school was shorter than any one song on that album.

So you gotta love meat Loaf halfway through like one track on Bad of Okay, daily ritual where you would listen to bad and my dad was always really like I've babysat before, and you know, kids just get obsessed with songs. They want to hear it over and over and over again. You get kind of frustrated, and I think when it's your own kid, you have a little bit more leeway to be like not right now, how

but we listen to something else. But my dad would let me like obsessively play things over and over and over again. I think when I was in seventh grade, I became obsessed with the song You're Smiling Face by James Taylor, which is like the cheesiest song, and we would listen to it on repeat for like fifteen minutes every morning at least, I mean, depending on traffic, could be more like months. And whenever I ceo smill in Face for on loop, okay, but not the worst song

suction for all could be worse. Could be Jimmy Buffett, which was mine. I was like, I was like a low key music snob. When I was in eighth grade, I went on an international choir tour to England, Scotland and Wales with the two song Girls Chorus, of which I was apart for nine years. Wow, this is big, big choir geek. And we went on like a Beatles tour, and I remember thinking that everyone else wasn't a true fan of the Beatles like I thought, because none of

my none of my girlfriends were like into oldies. They all loved, like Michelle Branch, which I like, I didn't. I was so jealous of Michelle Branch that I didn't like her, that makes any sense. I was like, I would like to be Michelle Branch. What about you makes you able to do this? I mean, she could play the guitar, which I definitely couldn't do. But we're it's so fine, it's fine. But like for that reason, I was just like, you guys don't actually love the Beatles.

I love the Beatles because I would like wear an oversized Abbey Road T shirt like three years anyway. So yeah, that's my that's my journey with culture. That's culture. Michelle Branch. Somebody came into the Story Parts auditions yesterday and sang Michelle Branch, and then somebody came in later and sang Michelle Branch again. That's Michelle Branch. Got got represented twice yesterday.

So the people who just graduated from college were the last people who I overlapped with when I was an undergrad. So they were freshmen when I was seniors, and a couple of them reached out to me about Story Fire auditions and they're like, what's your advice I was just like, don't sing Disney or a musical theater. So that's like my advice. So you know what, Michelle Branch like, it works.

Actually we remembered them. Can you point out something someone I was talking to someone about this and they brought up the fact that today's high school students will listen to Panic at the Disco as like old band, like the way that we might have listened to Wheezer. I guess in high school. Isn't that crazy? That's hard? But do you think that they actually are listening to Panic of the discos? Dumb question? I think they are. I think kids these days are loving, like um I read

since not tragedies. They're like, this is the best song ever, Like this is what they used to listen to ten years ago. Was it Panic at the Disco that kind of had like a comeback recently? Yeah, I think year and they did, like Blank two and Good Charlotte are putting out new style. I have to say that is one thing. And Good Charlotte too, that is one trend that I am so happy. I said even at the time, like this is dumb. The Good Charlotte Panic at the Disco thing, I was I think I like to the

hits by Good Charlotte. I never liked Panic at the Disco, and I really didn't like fall Out Boy. Brand New Okay, I saw a brand New in concert. I saw them Madison Square Garden and they opened up for Dashboard Confessional, who I did not hear of them until college. We see they were big for me in high school and then in college they continue to be big, like what's the Mark Commission? A brand of scar that is a really good album and it's so weep be in like tweet.

And I thought that Death Cab for Cuti and Dashboard Confessional. I think in my mind growing when I was in high school, I thought they were the same band. But it turns out it's Death Cabin Postal Service that we're basic. Yes, And I also now have since listened to Dashboard Confessional and they don't sound like Death Cab for Cutie. But I think it was just something in the name that there's makes to each other, maybe such great Heights Postal Service.

Oh yeah, you just said that. Um oh wait, can I see some one thing about Michelle Branch real quick? Please let's discuss Michelle. Seems like we have two Michelle branch haters at the table. No, no, no, not a hater, but but acknowledging the fact that she's perfectly sure average, which honestly is like a wonderful thing sometimes with Santana a game of love in the game love Um the Spirit Room, you guys, I was obsessed with this two

thousand one two two maybe circa UM. I just had fantasies about her showing up at my middle school and playing a pop up because she used to do that, and then her inviting me up on stage that we could do a duet of Uman so like you. Yeah, she ends just listen to her stuff again and she ends every single word syllable with yet called it everything. Yeah,

she was giving that pop affectation. She came out at the same time as my mortal enemy, Avril Levine, and I loved Avril Levine and I loved its n show You Can't get rid of Me a bit. Avril Levine is a fighter, and I take that from her. Okay, Can I tell you I did like um girlfriends whatever? Hey, hey, you yeah, that's I was not that I liked her moody stuff because I was going, you know, because I was a p preteene and I and I just like

needed that type of thing. I was embarrassed by her public behavior, like the wearing a tie and stuff like that, Like I didn't think that was cool. I didn't. I didn't like idolize her. But her music was like an emotional necess city for me in my in my her

second album, do you remember that Long? Was good? Also when I first heard it, right, yeah, so much that was I'm thinking about a different one from her first album, but that song was so good and also the better song on that album I think is I can't remember, but like the eighth track on the album I loved because well, when I first heard I'm with You, I knew it was Avril Levine and we hadn't heard her

sing like that up until that point. And when she started hitting her high notes at the end, I was like, fuck, she's actually good and I'm so mad. I remember having that feeling about Katy Perry. I didn't. I really didn't like Katy Perry when she first came out when I was like in high school. And then when I realized she actually could sing, though, I was like, damn it, she tug. She's not like like I think that Taylor Swift has gotten better at singing over the course of

her career, better microphones that correct her pitch. I'll tell you that pechnology has gotten better. But I think she just like sounds generally just sounds better. Yeah, and Katie. And that's so when Taylor Swift first like started becoming popular, I was like, yeahn thank you. And I felt the same way about Katy Perry. Let's yawn more just like I roll like I hated I kissed a girl. I just thought, like, so what I mean that had one hit? Wonder written all I know? But okay, but okay, So

so you know some modern culture. Did you guys see the recent video of um Katy Perry on Ellen de Generous when she so she's okay. So, so two things, I guess three things. First of all, Katy Perry like believes believes in like aliens and mermaids and all the stuff, and she's like very There are like lots of quotes from her in interviews where she reveals herself to be a weirdo, but you don't actually hear her saying it, so so you kind of can interpret however you want.

The second thing is is I have like a full on fetish for Ellen Degenerous giving money to people, like I've seen maybe every single video. And the weird thing is that I don't really like her show and I hate how she talks to kids. I find it really upsetting. Like I think she thinks kids are dumb, and I think she talks to kids like they're dumb, And that is always something that bothers me when anyone does it.

But like, and she even is like low key, very low key, like smug when she gives money to people, because she just she knows the power she has and she I think she has a good heart, and I think she's a good person, but it's like she smugg straight up to anybody, but she's so self right. But

with those two things put together, Katy Perry. So, so there's someone who survived the Orlando shootings and the song Rise by Katy Perry, I guess just like got him through it, like the time in the hospital and stuff. And so she brought Katy Perry into the show to surprise him, and I mean everyone's sweeping. It is really touching. And then and then Katy Perry says that she will pay for this guy's first year college because he wants

to go to film school. So it's all very moving, but Katy Perry is insane, like she just she goes, she goes, you're light, We're all lights like, and she just means it and it's crazy. It's crazy here she was married to Russell Brand. I have a Katy Perry story. Oh my god, tell it. So in April, uh, my friend Jamie Oski, our friend on Jamie both went to this Hillary fundraiser concert. I remember that I got two free tickets. But meanwhile we went. We went and it

was all rich democrats and I felt really gross. But we're sitting there and then Katie Perry's the headlining act. So Hailary goes up to speak. It's and she says a couple of words and it's nice. And then Saty Perry goes up and she has this huge set um and it's just beautiful, like gay magic ship. And then at one point Katy Perry like has to like because the whole night has been speeches from her campaign stuff.

And Bill gave his speech and was amazing, and Chelsea gave a speech, Julianne Moore gave a speech blessed and then Katy Perry just I guess has to like keep the pattern going. And she has this break in her set where she just talks to us, to everybody in Radio City, and she's like, she just does not know how to how to how to talk about politics straight up. She's like, don't you want someone who has the blueprints

for the house so that you have Katie Perry. By the way, do you have bay windows so you gotta you gotta put you gotta know where to put the windows if you want the view. And she just made I'm even, this is being very generous. My impression is being very Jenner. She was incoherent, could not speak about They probably picked up on that because when she was at the d n C, the first thing she said was I don't have an education, but we all should have the option to. And then she sang, which I'm sorry,

that song is bullshit. I don't care for it. But can I tell you why I don't like Evril Levine because I was I was fine with Avril. I was accepting of her as like someone who was in the pop culture like lexicon. I was like, yeah, sure, I get complicated skater boys fun. I'm with you. I've just heard it, and I guess she can really sing. But here's why I don't like evl Levine. It's a moment. And when people show you who they are, believe them.

Thank you. Maya Angelo, Oprah Winfrey and Shawnda Rhymes said that, Yes, it's the chicken before the egg situation. Who said it first? Um, all contemporaries. They came up together, you know, I think they all shared a college. Um. So basically, um, there was it was the two Thomas And it's of course the vm as are at the end of the summer and two one two two, I'm sorry, excuse me two. So I'm in. We're in a post nine eleven world. I'm in sixth grade. It's a summer after sixth grade.

I'm going at the seventh grade. I become obsessed with a little show called American Idol. I become devout towards Kelly Clarkson. I become well known, well known. Rule number six of culture not loves Kelly Clarkson. Um. So they had Justin and Kelly on the v m as to present the award for Best New Artists, and um, they're up there and Kelly's doing her like thing. Which was her brand at the time, to be like, oh where am I like duck a duck a duck like I'm from.

She did it for such a long time, very well. She was the off the chunky blonde highlights. My mom to this day says, no one can pull off that chunky blonde highlight except Kelly Clark to this day, she says it. So they're presenting the award and she's playing her thing and doing her things. She was, of course being the perfect George bush erraw girl next door of course, which is you know, big reason why she took that title. Had never been on a plane, never been on a

plane or something. Remember Burlison, Texas. So um, there, you know, announcing that I'm in needs and they cut to avl Levine, who's like like fucking around in her seat with her band or whatever and like doing her own thing and like you know, sticking her tongue out of the camera and being like a punk rock princess. And then Avril Levine wins. So Avril Levine like makes her way up to the stage and Kelly Clarkson goes to hug her.

Avril Levine takes Kelly's arm, lifts it over her head, pushes her out of the way, takes the award and starts giving her speech, and I was like, I will never forget that's acceptable, and I am so pleased that Kelly has had a longer career, and I think that it's karma. I think it's true karma. Do you think Levin was at that time like yeah, wow, because it literally just occurred to me that she was really young. Yeah, she was. That was like a thing at the time.

It was like, um, people guys were like, I think she's really fucking hot, like on on like the radio, the guys would call out and they'd be like, yeah, I've been hearing this song and like I saw on t r L and she's hot, and the days will be like, well she's eighteen, which was like I've now realized has been like a running thing, like Britney Spears being just like everyone's sexual desire, and she was people people trying to know for sure whether or not Britney

Spears was a virgin was such a massive part of popular culture. In her breast implants too. Yeah, that was well, that was like, I mean like a joke on In, like when her boob started moving sport about. She was such a good sport about it. I get too sad talking about Brittany, But hold on, Actually Brittany, Brittany's second time hosting was phenomen She was great. Yeah, I mean

she had a good turn. I'll engraced to Oh my god, I've not seen I've seen, but I will say that, Um, I think the the part of the brain of like Britney Spears and Linda Lewin that is just like an absolute ship storm of chaos that makes them unhealthy is probably what also makes them good at like doing a live show like U S and l with like not having any experience and just being like I can do this, Like I don't think they're unrelated. She good. Yeah, I'm

I'll never forget. I will never forget. This is a big part of my Culturey Potter sketch. I was thinking Harry Potter sketch. Yes, but same episode when they do that. It was the first ever Debbie down and it was world, which is like the whole thing was. And I remember when they started breaking, I just like literally was gasping for air in my bedroom. And that was when I truly fell in love with and watched it back again and you still laugh and you know it's so genuine,

it's so good. It's so good. And also we we met a writer at snel's name is James Anderson. Anderson literally all my favorite sketches, And I was finding out in the moment of meeting him that he was all my favorite sketches like Deep House, Dish, Space and Space. Probably wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do

with pen Paulapell. I think co wrote a lot of the Gemini's Twin sketches, like he was the gay voice that that like little boys like Matt and I at the time grew up with from like this is so funny. We're responding to this, we want like we want that. I just loved telling him like, thank you for literally like writing sketches that made me laugh for reasons that I didn't even like. It was so it was. It just touched on nerve and he introduced us and then

he was just in his office watching that episode. It was the Julie Wee Drivers went from last season. And then he sat with us and watched the rest of the app and then we talked about drag Race. He he loved Georgy, he loved Bob. It was just this and then I literally I had the instinct to be like, I'm sorry, but I feel like I have to ask this. Did you have anything to do with Deep Past dish? And he was like, yeah, that was mine? And I literally exploded. I was like, that was my whole life.

It was really do you remember the sketch Deep Past? Whenever it would come on, I would explode. Culture. It's important. Culture is everywhere, everywhere. That's not even a rule, that's just that's that's just an overhanging. That's just the theme of life. One more when more correcting about Avil, and then we'll move on to our I don't know how I feel about the fact that Avil was literally taken over this podcast. I've worked so hard to build Avil Levine Get out of Here for songs for the Aragon

soundtrack phenomenal. I don't know, keep holding on, Yeah, nothing, you could say nothing, you can do way when it goes even bringing about not even well, they did it on Glee and it was pretty emotional, you know. It was when Glee was good in season one. Okay, I really like to Glee the first season. I will say, you know the part of the magnifying glass on your

on your Instagram where it's like discover. Yeah, yes, there's something sinister in my algorithm that Glee fan art makes up of it and I don't know how, but it's like it's it's so people that are still making Glee fan art to this day, what are they trying? What are they making? I don't know. Well, so much of his unfamiliar to me because I think I only really watched the first season of Glee. Me the second season,

I truly can't remember. But yeah, it's like I just want to go there and discover as Instagram wants me to, but I cannot because there is so much Glee contect. God, Glee was truly good for thirteen episodes. It was truly good. It was actually pretty good. I was always weirded out by Matthew Morrison's character. Yeah, I felt like I was so sexually unsure of what I was supposed to make of him. I was pretty sure it's actually what I

was making of him. But I understand I definitely wanted to fuck Will Schuster, in fact, much more than I was interested in any of like Schuster was Matthew Morrison. Yeah, yeah, but I wasn't into you know, rest in Peace. Um wasn't into Puck who that's a crazy story. That's insane, is insane, but it's also not surprising, like it's crazy, but you're just like, I mean, I guess yeah, you know who was hot? Was the blonde guy that came on like later in the show. I don't know his name, honestly,

who who knows? You know? Brittany Like Brittany that actress was just a backup dancer for Beyonce and and she got cash. She was on Beyonce episode of SNL. Yeah, and then she got cast on Glee. Is just like a dancer and then her character just like broke out.

And like my mom, team at UCB used to be like permanently stationed on the schedule after Gravid Water and Diana Agron was on on on Gravid Water one week and I just saw backstage and I was just like, you are so we're just she is I mean, she's beautiful, Yeah, she's and she she just says this big smile and she's so radiant. I didn't see it because I was just there for she was supposed to do the DCM gravid water and then something happened when she couldn't do it,

but she was gonna come. She's good, you probably good. I think she was good on the show. I mean backstage she was just like, you know, peling around and she just seemed like super chill and nice, but but also like distractingly. Yeah, yeah, beautiful, she's gorge human who I heard is a absolute nightmare And this will shock

now when is Leah Michelle? In fact, I have a friend who was at the same party as her, and this might be a little telling, but he went to the closet to get his coat, opened the door and there was Lea Michelle rifling through all the coats, and the host of the party said, Leah, what are you doing? And she just came out and said, I was looking for drugs? Oh can I say that one here? And then you hear about Cornymnteeth. And actually I had another

friend who we all know. I'll tell you guys off the air, but he was friends of the cast member on Glee. And apparently, yeah, they all are big, we're big. Surprising and again not surprising, but it's like, yeah, you give them, you give kids at age a lot of money, or honestly, not even kids young adults that age pretending to be kids of l A. Where you don't necessarily have that much to do. That's why I think, like Bowen and I are going out to l A and

what we people keep saying there's no culture there. There's no culture there. It's boring, and I think I feel like, yeah, well that must maybe that's the case of why people get involved in such weird ship around there is because there's not much to do when they have a lot of money. Is l A different from New York? I think I hear that. I hear that there's a debate to be had about people talk about the differences between

l A and New York. I just you know, if someone thinks that one's better than the other, I'd love to hear their thoughts. Yeah, I would love to hear how you get around in l A. Um, you know here they I hear they have uber But you know, I'm willing to hear more. Um, guys, today's episode, you know this is this is a moment because All Stars Too has been so good. We can agree it has changed television and actually, I mean it's like feels so stupid to say, but it actually has changed my life.

I would agree with you the mentalities like I this is maybe gonna sound bizarre, but I thought today on the subway, if I ever saw RuPaul, but I say to him, and our friend Jamie Star has seen and she did, and she did she handled it the best. Best knows. She's an idol. She's how he thinks. Yeah, she's a genius. She basically just put her head down, walk next to him and said, I just want you to know that I love you. And he said, he looked, he said I love you too, and he meant it.

He meant it, and like, the thing is, anyone who doesn't know anything about RuPaul thinks that that's a joke because you say like and he meant it, and and you know, you laughed because for other people that would be insane, but it's true. And then look after I graduate from college on the train, uh, and then we stopped at Wall Street and then people in the car screamed, look that's RuPaul. And RuPaul was just had just come out of a car, was in this beautiful suit, looked

so good. Just throw up through up piece sign and just wave to people and just looked so cool. Yeah, but just a radiant in person. You're like your I go straight to that person no matter what you think of that person. I was just like, oh God, RuPaul is beautiful. Well, I would say just for myself, like just like the little nuggets of wisdom that he drops make it very clear to me, like life. I had to literally pause the episode so this so, I mean,

you know we're recording this. The third episode just came out last night, and the first two episodes were like the supersized drama filled and like in wisdom filled episodes, and last night it was like a more traditional clipping along sort of EPI. But when they were doing the judge at the end and um and Katya was being criticized for her Princess Die, which you know, we'll talk, but when Rue was like, to be fair, yeah, like

to be fair. You know, Princess Die is the only the only person being portrayed here that we actually know what she looked like. And maybe Catty didn't have the same creativity or didn't have the same leeway to be creative as the other queen. I pause to the episode and I turned to Branson and I was like, I mean, we did not have to say that, but I mean it, which is such a like a it's a it's a small that's a small, but it's a brilliance of rue.

But then but then when we said that, I was like, but wait a minute, roxy played a perune and you technically have photography. But maybe it's not like as burned into the consciousness of First of all, I don't even world we'll get to that. I would just say, like, for me, what makes the whole idea of ru rue coming forward? Like being in the consciousness and saying like, you know, we're all born naked and the rest is dragged.

That is so freeing. It's just because I think it's truly the first time, like and of course as you get into it, as you go into adulthood and as you kind of you know, mature, you do realize like what is this and what is this? And why do I dress this way? And why are they selling me

things all the time? And why this? I remember the first time I ever I think I've said this before, but the first time I ever became aware of the fact that I was like a pawn in society is when Sudie and I were watching The X Factor and Sudi said, count how many pepsi cans you see? And I was like, oh my god. And all of a sudden I realized that I was being aggressively catered to as a consumer and they and that they didn't care about me as a person. And I was like, well,

what's the world. And then RuPaul talking about like the matrix, Like the world is the matrix and whether you're going to be a participant in that or not. When you realize the matrix, then you can really have fun and you know what to like the Man behind the Curtain, the Wizard of Oz I think about talking about when you see the man behind the curtain, your instinct is to be angry, and then you you can decide later to not be angered. You can just play in the

matrix and decide to have fun with it. I mean, the thing about RuPaul that is that makes him, in my mind like such a religious figure is he truly has a a stock like stock philosophies, and I mean it's it's it's Jesus esque, and that there are these sets of principles that are completely he completely inhabits them,

he shares them with everybody there for everybody. It's all from a place of love, and it's it's not like he's not really a very fluid figure in the sense that like he's he doesn't have this kind of like evolving uh philosophy that like changes depending on the setting. It's like, no, you hear him talk about the same things over and over again and they're always true, and it's so um advance and you go back and watch older stuff where he's talking and it's the same, like

the same nuggets of wisdom. Hear him talk about the inner saboteur. I mean, yes, maybe you could probably find him talking about it fifty times and it's always correct. Like that's the thing that's stunning, you know what. I you know what I've been really stewing on lately, and like this has been with me for years, but like lately I've really paid attention to. This is the Mark barn episode where is coming from inside the House. Yes,

that related to that. Um this part where he goes after he talks about the Wizard of Oz and he's like and you know what, It's like Dorothy realizes at the end of the movie, like it was always in her to go home. She always had the power and she just didn't realize it and after and she didn't realize until after she saw the man behind the curtain and then she realizes, Oh, I've had it in me all this time, and no, you could do it for me.

And isn't that like debating? I know that sounds they're cheesy, but like it's that's an amazing story. It's just like an is RuPaul Buddhist? What is it? Well? I mean he he he's he practices yoga. I mean, I'm not saying like it's a religious practice. I'm just saying like he's he's very spiritual and like connected with like his body and like you know, just kind of the other.

But I don't think he prescribes to anything. Yeah, well not that I know of, right, And because I've been trying that, it's the closest I've felt to feeling religious in a long time, to be honest, because I finally have mantras that I can say, and I've been able

to I think help people by telling them this. You know, we have a mutual friend who was struggling a long time and we had lunch and I feel like just by telling that person, like you know, life is drag, Like I feel like that helped, and then something huge and like and and so like I don't know, I just feel like it means everything to just say, you know what, I'm actually going to make the decision to not care and just do me because who made the

rules anyway exactly? You know. I remember like just before before I ever started to like feel like a quote unquote was doing well and kind of knew myself as a comic, I had people that I looked up to

and I really wanted to find out why. And then I went to go see Josh and Aaron's um Josh Sharpen Aaron Jackson's uc B show Fucking Identical Twins at at uc B, and Shannon O'Neill came out and she said something beforehand, which was the reason why this show works is because they don't give a fuck like they do them And then I clocked that, and then I also read Yes Please by Amy Poehler and she said something like when you're having fun, everyone well, and that's

what I was going to say, is like I never really thought about fun until recently. Like I just I I think I'm I'm a pretty I can be kind of intense I think for being a comedian and a very serious person for the most point part um and like I because I'm not naturally care free, I always had linked being care free to having fun or that fun is like an activity, not the result of an activity. I was like, well, let's do something fun, and then whether or not you have fun as irrelevant. But there's

but Ru. Rue is is constantly in the pursuit of fun, and like fun in a way that is just I mean, it's there for everybody, and it's there's something deeper to it. But like, since seriously like letting Rue into my life and my headspace, I've developed more of like a taste and an instinct for like finding fun and kind of realizing like that actually should be the main mission. What Rue says is that fun is not a care freeness or a carelessness. It's actually an awareness of circumstances. And

we're talking about Rue, Paul, Guys. I'm just saying this in a way that sounds very cultish, but I think it's like I'm fine with it, but like Rue has changed my life, yes, she you know, I mean I feel I can speak about it. Well. The thing about

Rue is it rue? Is like not without problems there because when it comes to things like gender identity and language, like it's so weird, Like, Okay, Donald Trump will come in front of a group and he'll be like, people want to say this about me, but it's just words, and obviously he doesn't mean it because he's so sensitive and and do you read it as defensiveness and see it as kind of childishness like immaturity. It's it's weird to see it's but it's stranger to see ru Paul

talk about words because he means it. And when he says words do not matter and that it doesn't matter what you call something and it doesn't and that words can't hurt you, it's like that's not true for most people. And it's and it's in some ways like a little

irresponsible to believe that that is how it works. But there is like inspiration that I draw from seeing him like kind of reachless enlightened state where he's like you cannot touch me, because I mean, yeah, I was talking to Dylan Marin about that very thing because like I was just really worked up one day after some internet common or like said something very derogatory and then because and Dylan deals with that every day, he really does.

And then we were talking about this exact point that Ruth says that words don't matter, we're shooting her at you, and we were like, but wait a minute, doesn't seem congrument to this other philosophy that's built around RuPaul. And so yeah, that is well, that's drag though, Yeah, it's it's it's And again you could also say, you know, choosing to be offended or seek out that kind of situation is you know, being a part of the mixics and willing be being a participant in um the acceptance

of the bullying you're going to go through. And so like, I guess, and I what I think RuPaul like, for example, you know he had to take out that you got she mail um and everything after contestants that had been on the show. We're upset about it and spoke spoke

out about it. I think RuPaul, maybe he wouldn't admit this, but I think he truly feels a little bit offended and feels a little bit like, seriously, this is so obvious that you're going to like decide to turn against me, Like RuPaul, I've heard say like I've been on the

front lines. Like he's just upset, I think, and maybe a little irritated himself for being upset and allowing himself to get upset about it, because I think he is that like these people that he represents I think one way and like are not even biting the hand, but like being ungrateful. And I do think that he probably checked his own ego about it, or is aware of the fact that that is the ego rising well. I think I think it's it's hard because it's like, I

don't think he means that words don't matter. I just think it means that you can rise above words that like that that that that's that the self prevails. Yeah, it's it's really complicated because words, words really can hurt you. But they make a point about it on this episode, you know what I mean, they get into it. Oh my gosh. I mean, like, I honestly, I have to tell you, I'm like feeling overwhelmed right now because there's

so much I want to talk about. Because there's Rue, there's Roos the person the guru, there's row As the host and the mastermind, and then there's just the fucking show that I just I mean the show, especially right now, in like the trajectory of the season right now, they all are very intertwined. So let's start talking about the show. We're getting deep, I kind of say, we've we've we've

gotten deep as ship. Yes, but but you know, I have had a hard year and like I just you know, and it happens, and like I just I've had like just I've just had some ship this year. And I in watching RuPaul's drag Race has been in a vital part of myself. I mean it's a massive, massive, like and and it's not just listening to the Marin interview, which I do. I mean I really listened to that one because it's just so good and it's like rewatching older episodes like it has been a part of healing

for me this year. So I mean, like I mean, and it's and I do have to say, as a woman, sometimes it can be confusing because drag is not is not my part of my culture. Um, and I'm and and there are certain things that by doing it, it's appropriation and so I can never fully be like in the fandom as much as a gay man can, as it should be. But like you kind of it's kind of what makes you like a true follower, if that

makes any sense. Like, I can't put myself in the place of a contestant or even a judge on the show just by by ruling out like identity, but because of the overarching philosophy that Rue has that we're all ber naked and the rest is drag, Like you can really get like as close as you possibly can and still be a part of it all. It's kind of even and as gay men who don't do drag cannot fully like place ourselves and like immerse ourselves in in the same way. It's like there can't be a full

parity of the things of identity. It's yeah, it's so fascinating because the show is truly for everyone. I've never met someone who started watching the show and did not

fall in love with it. And Branson, my boyfriend, straight man uh is part of our We have a we have a Facebook fan group where we discuss Branson is part of the group and he reads everything, but he doesn't comment, and he just he and whether or not there's a right answer or not, he just is like he is even not then just being a straight man. He's like it's just He's like, I have opinions, and

I love talking about them in person. He's like, but it feels like co opting the conversation from the place of a straight man. He's like, I just can't do it. I can say that I welcome those conversations with everybody. I mean, I truly just want to talk about it with away anyway. Listen, I just I guess, I just I just don't care. I just think it's fun. I

think it's fun for everybody. And also you have to remember talking about what who belongs to, what belongs to who, Like we're watching men dress up as women and and so, and like it's more than that. Yeah, but the thing is, we have a contemporary too, and I would like to hear what you have to think about this Nicole. And

this is a great friend of all of ours. And I don't even remember, I don't even know if she remembers saying this, but one time I was discussing RuPaul's drag race with this person and she said, yeah, it's fun. It's just a shame that drag queens hate women. And I really and this is an extremely smart person, and I really had to think about and consider that point of view. And I don't even know if they still feel this way, but I really had to think about

and consider and and what do you think about that ideology? Well, I think it's hard because because I don't think that a lot of drag queens are dressing up as women, like that's not how I think. Yeah, for some and then for others, it's a character that is an expression of femininity, but it's not. It's not an expression of womanhood. There's there's so because and and this is this is

a thought that I have. Uh, when we see on RuPaul's Drag Race or in a live performance of drag, we're watching the height of a portrayal of an empowered woman. And that is not exactly how the natural state of womanhood in our society. We don't when we picture a woman on the street, we don't see them as a supermodel of the world, and we don't see them we see them functioning in society, interacting with other people and

experiencing the oppression that comes along with that. And when you think of an empowered woman, it comes in many, many different forms. But in a lot of ways, we perceive beauty as a weakness that undermines a woman's strength of character because we are kind of trained when we're growing up that your appearance is antithetical to your intelligence or to your sense of self or your creativity or whatever,

even though of course it isn't. But because the appearance of drag is so um crucial to to its success. And and so we're watching, we're watching women, and even when we say like, oh, she's so fishy, or she she passes, or you know whatever, we say, it's not it's passes as a woman on the street. It passes as a supermodel of the world. And so it's it's like, I think it's a love of Yeah, the celebration is

a love of what womanhood could be. Like I watch I watched Drag Queens on the Runway, and I just see a type of pride that I like, I feel proud. So I don't know, I mean, it's it's hard, like I think that there is um when when I know what, I know where the thought is coming from. Of like, well, it makes because it does make fun of elements of femininity. But I think that those elements that are being ridiculed

are the things that it's holding up A mirror. It's not the things that women make fun of them themselves. It's it's it's taking possession of what society deems as being like something humorous or low about being a woman. Instinct, my instinct. I think that was extremely well said. And my instinct when I heard this was to of course defend the show and defend the queens and defend Roue paul Um because I truly feel like it's a celebration. Yeah, I really do. I feel like it's I really feel

like it's um born out of admiration and celebration. And to hear that someone could be offended by it, like really like send something off on me, I was like, oh no, God, well, because the other thing is um. Drag Race is so unique because it literally launches careers, and so there's also a certain desperation and ambition that you see in the show that you definitely see another in other reality shows, but it's not as authentic because the it's just when you want to win American Idol,

it's for the chance to become a star. When you want to win RuPaul's Drag Race, it is to become a start to become the biggest thing in your industry. Yeah, I mean you really, you you walk even if you don't win. I mean, yeah, you can come in seventh and you can walk away being like I never have to have a day job again. I mean, can you imagine.

I'm honestly, it's it's crazy. I mean, and that's like, that's like the mastermind, right, And you know he says like, you know this last season being like, you know, the hundred queen walking in with Derek Barry and be him being like, you know this it's launched the careers of a hundred queens, you know. And then like also by association, like they're close friends, you know. I think like Thorgies success is her cruise success in a way, it's like

Ruby success. Yeah, I would be interested in how they feel about it, but you know, it's it's definitely turns the heads in all the directions. Like I say about everything, you know, Frank Frank um garcia Hell just posted something like this is gonna be then at the time of year where a lot of our contemporaries get pretty cool jobs and let's be happy for them. And I agree, like a rising tide lifts all shift. But I yeah, and I think like um, that's with with the Queens too,

and also drag in general. RuPaul is nominated for an Emmy. Oh my god. You look at the content. You look at the content and competition like, come on, I mean anyway, you watch one episode and you're like, what okay, wait, okay, So so this season, Yes, let's talk about the season. Uh do you think? I mean? I I have a question for you guys, because listeners, we have not been able to talk on So this is this is for us and for okay, do you guys think that that okay?

For for people who don't watch the show. Typically, the way that the elimination works in a normal season is at the bottom two lip sync for their life and that the person who then loses, according RuPaul, chooses the winner and the loser, and the loser goes home. In this season of All Stars, the top two lip sync for their legacy. The person who wins chooses who the

bottom two gets to go home. Do you think that the agony and the and the emotion that the queens are feeling is what they thought was going to happen or did you think that it was going to be more that producers thought it was going to be more of like a fun caddy thing with drama. But everyone's going to be like, well, bitch, we're here to win, so this is the way it is. I think that

it depends on the contestant. And I think that, for example, Alyssa Edwards, Queens Queen honestly my favorite, I don't know that she will deserve to win in the end. I think it's very tough to debate against Alaska. I think Alaska is maybe one one of the best drug queens ever of all time. I love her, I mean, but I think that Alyssa Edwards being so kind of not anguished about this whole thing means that she gets it, you know what I mean. And I think, of course

the producers want there to be agony and drama. That's why they sprung on them at the last second. Yeah, but those first two episodes, they were hard to were tough, and and we had known before that spoiled we had we hadn't spoiled. We knew from some intel that this was going to be the elimination process. In my mind, it was going to be a lot more lightheart like. Yes, like you know, because because in a normal season where they're not all such close friends. It would be like,

thank God, I finally have the opportunity send Derek home. Yeah, but now it's tough because the relationships. But I also think ginger men who just got eliminated by Alyssa does it. Her career doesn't hurt for not going on more weeks on the show. You know what, No, I don't think so. I don't think any of their careers are affected by it. Yeah. I think these are all working queens at the height of their fields. I think Coco Montrees will have the

same or not better career. Do you think that the tweets between Coco and Roxy, what do you think about that? I think there it's probably it probably feels authentic. Coco is probably really mad, or if they're just if this is like a setup later and it's like, do you actually really have those harsh feelings towards Roxy a year later? I think we have to remember that it's drag and I think some of them get it and some of

them don't. And I think some of them are playing into it, or I think I think all of this is being exhumed for Coco because of the social media reaction. They're like, Wow, cocoa Roxy really sucked you over. Follow up question that I mean, like I was thinking about this day. Do you think that the bit about Fifi getting death threats was added into the episode after Fifi got can't it seems to on this and this is

like something that I'm thinking about. So for those of you who may not be familiar with it, there's a character to call them characters could have to they make them into on the show. There's a contestant on the show, um on All Stars to Fifi O'Hara, who was on season four of Rupol's Drag Race and really has the truly the villain persona. She's the villain of the series, you know what I mean. She was the most knowing, vicious contestant in serious history. She was she was a bully.

She was mean, and she was intolerant, she was selfish, She's talk it was horrible. And she's back on the show and she was twenty and she was twenty five at the time, you know what I mean. Definitely not to say that you can't be going through diff I mean,

a door is twenty five now. So the thing is she's come on the All Stars too, and it's been pretty clear for her redemption, and she wants to re establish her legacy as someone who wasn't mean, as someone who wasn't manipulative, as as as a transformed queen, because the main conflict was that she thought that, I mean kind of similar to Roxy. She thought that that pageant pageant queens were true drag queens, that everyone else was a hack. Roxy thought that comedy queens were a hack,

and and Sharon, a spooky queen, was a hack. But FIEFI called Sharon Needles go back to party, and that was the highest like, you're a cheap ass joke. But if you rewatch that fight, that is not the meanest thing.

She says, No, no, no, no, that's to oh but no no, But even that, even that fight where she's yelling at Sharon, I rewatched that fight and go back to party, say where you belong is like the line, but that the whole thing is like kind of worse than that, because because Sharon goes to her, Sharon goes to her and she's like, well, okay, so I guess we'll say it's the meanest thing that Pope says. She goes,

you're not my sister. Yeah, that I think that's like kind of brutal, like because Sharon says, I just wanted to tell you because you're like, I can do like a sister, and she was, you're not my sister, which is like hard and so basically, can you imagine someone saying that an All Stars to It's I mean, it's it's unthinkable. So basically what's going on in All Stars Too is she's come on and she's like, look, that

wasn't me. I've grown up a lot now. I said all those things, but I've changed and now and my style of drag has changed. I'm actually more like Sharon now than Sharon is. And now she's now become a more creative our cosplay play, which, for example, Cosplicy Queen

is not equal cutting edge. Okay, keep going, so honey, she however, has been edited into a sort of villain edit again, and you think that someone with experience on a reality show who knows should know what not to do to get this edit, just wouldn't give him a sound bite. But she's a fully come for beloved queen. Alyssa Edwards saying she's not that funny is too much and like is distracting and just like keep coming for her,

and it's like, so, what's the deal here? So I mean, so Ififie went on her Twitter last week and she said, I'm watching this episode at the same time you guys you are, I'm devastated. I no idea who was going to be getting this villain edit again. The editors have screwed me over, the producers have screwed me over. I'm getting death threats all over again. This is a nightmare.

And other queens came to her defense and we're like, she was not that bad or what etcetera, etcetera, And and those of us on our Facebook group where we discuss and ruminate on ruminate on the episodes, we were saying like, do we think it's a do we think it's producer driven? Do we think it's f FE driven? And I had said, I will totally believe that in this particular episode she got a villain edit even though

she didn't do anything wrong. But I do not think that the producers would set her up with a villain edit if she did not have material to deliver down the line. And even in this episode, before last episode, there was nothing that she said that was unsavory, like um in her in her talking head confessionals, it was just it was like this perceived kind of like back Alley, you know, kind of mind games that she was playing.

But in this past week's episode, she had some talking heads to the camera where she was being talking about a list and it's like, okay, so so first of all, I know that there's a big fight coming because it is being it is being built up like there's a big fight. But I mean, like you said those that to producers, if you don't think it's going to be including, you can't say that it's an edit if it's what

you were saying to produce it. To answer your question about whether or not heard that whole segment, that whole package about her getting death threats for a full year was authentic, Like it seems to have worked into the workroom scenes where Detox and people are sort of apologized.

I think so too. I just have I just have a gut feeling that producers added that part into the episode before it aired this week after last week, like they shot pickups no, like I think they had that footage and then they were like, let's add in some stuff about that, because because I am I feel like

last week, the blowback to Fifi was so brutal. There's a part of me that thinks that producers were like, oh no, no, we don't want her getting death threats anymore, and like added in like a little bit of a SOB story because Matt was pointing out how FIEFI had this whole section with what were you saying? I was just saying, the edit of the show is confusing this week, Its like maybe the show is confusing us a little

bit on purpose. So I think that for the whole first half of the episode, you can't get around the fact that literally in the in the opening, when they all come back into the workroom and they're getting changed out of their outfits from the from the runway for the last night, Fefe immediately and goes off on Alyssa. It's recurring throughout the episode. She says something to Alyssa

while they're rehearsing. They have a whole section of Ginger Mine assessing Fife's behavior where she's like, Fifi is acting manipulative and I think I actually she came on the show to do this, blah blah blah. I loved that part from gender Ginger was Ginger was great in that episode where because also she started off and she's gender.

She goes, I love Fifi, you know what's true, and she was like, but yeah, that was a great moment like that, Os was yeah, it's I mean, also, the show is so knowing about the edit now, like cutting to the producers, like about the sound bites about coming back into the workroom. Like the show is so knowing about its it knows what it's doing. So then especially for something like All Stars, it's like, you know, it's us watching the show. It's not first time to yours.

For the first half of the whole episode, it was Fifie this way. And then to have that segment in there about how Fifi is getting death threats and have that talking head of respected Queen Alaska saying shut the funk up to everyone was like hater. Basically like, I'm just very interested to see what the end game is with Fife with this season because they are giving us two different Maybe it is producers during damage control, That's

what I mean. That was my theory. It seemed so out of place that I was just like they they had this footage and I'm sure they just were like we we are moving forward with our storyline brand the season, but we but it out, but we gotta we gotta take out a couple minutes of you know, because there was no video. Here's another thing, there's no video from Meal at the beginning of the episode where um she just came in. There was no mini challenge. So I mean there was a part of me that was like,

this was added in. It's just it seems I mean, it's a it's a conspiracy theory, but but it is. It is my conspiracy theory that it was added in as reaction to last week where Fifi bad mouth producers for saying that they were giving her a villain edit needlessly, which is you know, honestly, I mean, there was there was a part in this episode where um she she

says something to a lista about her. So okay, So the part where they're sitting in the chairs and she's talking about address the dress, that part was like, Fifi, shut the funk up. But the part where they're just kind of kidding a round on the stage and she said something and she's like, how is how is my how is that really good? I mean like both of them cracked up at that. I don't think that that was like that seemed like no, I would saying rehearsal all the time. I mean, like it's it's a joke.

Who's the fiefie there, I'm the thief. Who do you think you're your most spiritually aligned with? Yeah? I would do her for snatch came if I had a chance. I'm a Katia. You are Katia. I'm okay, we're talking about all time, all time. I think I think I tried to confide with in this season just because it's

otherwise it's too broad. Um, I want to say this is it's crazy if I see Alaska, but that's not even I would say Katia too because I'm because it's because I because when she said I finally feel like a star, Oh my god, I know it's like, wait, I don't. I don't. I don't fully relate to that in this in some way, but like that is so

that's so cool. I mean, she is amazing, I think, And and you know what sucks is We're going to watch the next episode and the narrative is going to be, well, Alyssa just broke the rules that we created and since but the only people who care about the rules are people who I don't want on the in the show anymore anyway, and Roxy, Yeah, I'm not a huge Detox can but I knew you guys. I think a lot about Detox. I think Detox wants to win very badly. I know. I just think that Detox is strength are

only going to be on the runway. I think Detox is a good lip sync or and performer. But I said this on The Threat today. It's interesting to watch the lip sync between Detox and Alyssa this week because you just don't watch Detox. You can't compete with Take your eyes off Alissa Edwards. She does the most interesting things and funny. She's just you're not able to look away from her. And also it's not even just her performance, it's the way she does her makeup. It's the way

she looks. Her eyes explode off the stage. I think she's an underrated queen in terms of her looks. I will say that Melissa, I mean she's got a distinct look that is Alissa Edwards. Like something about the way she does her eyes, like you just know it's her. It's like when you turn on the radio when you know it's um Rihanna, You know what I mean, There's just something, right, Riana. What I'm saying is it's like it's distinct. It's not just good, it's also distinct, like

Rox Andrews is good, But is it distinct? Is something where people are there's something to be said, And I think Alaska is representing this so well. Alaska used to have a distinct signature look like the high hair, the beat, whatever, But this season she's shown, Oh my god, that's sleep from last week, I gaged that was the season for me so far. Was Alaska the latex look. Somebody said it's what Taylor Swift wish she looked like at the met Ball, and I was like, that's literally it, that's true.

I did Taylor stuffs look at the met Ball. Yeah, but it's where she first started dancing with Tom Hilson. If you believe what the people want you to, I literally have art. I've got so many. If you think that Taylor Swift actually had jury duty, you are mistaken, honey, No, no, no, I just I just that is not okay. The day after the v m as, when she wasn't there, we're suddenly the story comes out, Oh I had jury duty. Oh Taylor swifts of the people she goes to jury,

she took a picture with my mom. I just don't believe anything about her is authentic. Okay, I don't know. I feel bad, but it's just like I feel bad. I don't know, Mike, don't feel bad. The thing is, she's had such a weird arc and like we fall in love with her, we hate her, we fall back in love, we hate her again. I mean, she's now gotten to the place where she's too far Yeah, she's just too far away. And like, I will always enjoy her music. I'm sure I like her music. I love

what she does for her fans. I do not care about who she dates and how many. That is her prerogative. You go, girl, shut that said. I heart ts to the beach but not Okay, but he was paid to wear it, honey, But what's the function, like why it can only help his career? It's literally to lie to everyone though it's it's it's like, it's like so people in Middle America, they believe it, and that to me is manipulative, and that that that makes her no better

than field for a little bit she she is. She has posted like four things on Instagram since the since since the video, and they're all birthday posts for friends, happy birthdays, And he literally said, Kanye West on the thing, I'm like this close to overexposure. She's aware of it. I hated. Oh that video is so great because she sounds so fucking fake on it, the videos, videos for genius. I just love anything. I'm a little bit like, let's burn the world about the whole thing where I just wanted.

I want to know. I want every gay celebrity to come out. I want everything revealed. I just want this. I just don't don't think it's good to everyone have all the lies. I don't think it's good for people that are good. It's it's not. And I have to say I love the draw know it really isn't. I mean, I love the drama. I love I love the conspiracies. I do believe the conspiracies. But it's on. It's so it's so easy to not like her, in my opinion, not because not because of the collection of the friends

or any of that stuff. It's because she is so protect Like to me, she seems invincible, Like what could she possibly do that would alienate her fan base? She already has six like mansions, like what could she possibly do? And yet she won't say black lives matter, or she won't call herself a feminist, or she won't you know, like she wants for Hillary Clinton. So it's like all of these things that come from this place of like fear and protection of her image. It's so boring to me.

I'm like, next, Like she's writing her songs like okay, like get Mattmern or whatever the fun his name is on like some other songs, and for Brittany and we'll be fine, yeah, I mean, or something whatever. Hearing like the t about her from people that actually work like adjacent to her, Like it's pretty revealing. I mean, she's

so like I can't stress enough. Like she's so good to her fans, and she's such a good role model for girls in a lot of in a lot of ways, like she is the face of her own company, that is herself. She plays an instrument, she is going to control of her life. She smarts, she doesn't apologize for who she dates. I mean, like I do think that those things are good. And she is in contact with

her fans. She's very human. She clearly is grateful for the career she has, like she's not an evil person, but I just like, I don't know, what does you think about the Lena Dunham Amy Schumer um that interview sucks. I get money letter and I love it and I got and I got it in the morning and I was still in bed and I just was like, this is awful, shooting victims thing like just I mean, like the whole I mean, everything got It's just it was

all of it was Badah. I think it's just a case of like I don't think that they're evil by any means. I don't think I don't even think that they're racist by any means, Like knowingly, I think that they're super privileged. And I think it's a case of two super privileged rich people. I just think and like talking to each other and then hit and published because they feel like they can. I was gonna say, like, you know, you think you want to be on a fly on the wall, feel like the kind of you

kind of don't. And it's it's a lot. But Amy Schumer is like so from Long Island. It's just when she she played a character when she on SNL where she was like somebody took it the bachelorette party and basically Cecily, it's like Cecily's bachelot party and they're all friends, and then it's like her one friend from like the bar, Amy, sheone plays like the bartender from the bar she frequents.

And then um, the press goes missing and Amy was like, okay, so somebody took it, and like she something she like is that person on some level? Um, Sirens, I think that's actually a sign that we should wrap our conversation on RuPaul's jag race all starts to with this, So how do you see the rest of the season playing like map out what you think the rest of the season's gonna look like, Nicole the We're now down to six. Yeah, we're down to six, and I want let's let's give

a quick recap. We got Alaska the front runner, who is you know, incredible entertainer who can do things on stage that no one else can. Content. It's a fan favorite wild card, I would say, much much improved, new confidence, really big time fan favorite. G talx um, you know, kind of unparalleled like scene look queen like new drag

like well known drag queens. Yeah, then we've got Roxy Andrews reformed quote unquote bully, runaway Queen of I think she's trying, definitely putting in her effort um she I think she just I think she's just really good at being mean. She's a natural bully, and she's just working really hard to just, you know, not indulge that because it's a high stress situation. I think she's doing a

good job. And then we've got villainess Um new cosplay artistic queen, former pageant villain of season four, and we spoke about at length earlier, how do we see this going? Okay? I think this coming week is going to be a pairs challenge Top six Classic TOPSI challenge where people are paired up and it's going to be Okay, well who do we Okay? So I think it's going to be Roxy. Maybe it's either going to be I think it's gonna be Fifi Alyssa because like that we're being set up

for that. And then I think it's gonna be I mean, I would hope it would be Alaska Cottia because that would be so fun. But I think it's going to be like Cottia Roxy and Detox Alaska something like that, or would be interesting if they paired detox and roxy together, is like the two remaining remembers, like the what is it now like now that Alaska is out of it? Like the two for Alaska Talks. Yeah, but now that Alaska is not in Alaska Talk anymore? So what is

it about road talx roadtox Yeah? Also like sidebar for I roll for Alaska Talks. Yeah, um, because it was bullying. Okay, So paired challenge. I think paired challenge next week another typical um elimination. I think the fall in week is going to be when they bring all five queens back, it's gonna be half and half, I think someone oh probably Yeah, then I guess the doors before and for in five probably excuse one of the five from like

whatever brawl it is. I mean, I think that they're going to do something where like the there's gonna be like a mini competition just between the eliminated queens and whoever wins gets to like replace the person of their choosing or maybe the person who eliminated them potentially, And then I think that's what I think. Yeah, I mean, I think that's there's definitely I mean, but who knows this This season is truly, it's the architect of the season.

We can't we can never hope to. But I guess I think, I mean, you know, you don't know who who's going to make crazy decisions. I would hope that the top three would be Alissa, Katia, and Alaska that want but you just don't know because none of it has made because that's truly up to them. It seems like it's not up to the producers, and any top three in the last couple of seasons of the actual show have been there's been a wild card that stuck

its way in there. And I think the fact that the producers are being so kind of willy and nilly with Who Goes Home means that the eliminated Queens must come back in a big way. I think there's part of me that also thinks like there might just be an entire episode that's just eliminated Queens because we have this whole vacancy from a door leaving like um but but then prepared for that though I have no idea. But but it's like, I mean, Rhu just she does

what she will do. But I think one other thing that that I've been thinking about UM obviously Alaska is the one to be. She's a revolutionary queen, but I wouldn't mind her going home because she's so far ahead of everyone else. Like, if you know, if we're talking about like Alaska and Asa and Katia, who of those

three we would rather replace with a wild card? I would say I would want Alaska to be replaced just because to be more fun to watch, and I would I would rather see Katya and Alyssa get to fight for the crown then Alaska. Alaska really could have won her season, like in a lot of ways she did, Like she wasn't the official winner, but she did win her season. Yeah, absolutely, and it was I think Jinx's win was cool, Like I liked Jinks, but I think

that Alaska. It's weird watching the show because it feels like Alaska one. Yeah alright, Matt, Matt wins. What's your outline fort show? I just I think there's been so much focus on Fifi that I just think there has to be something to do with her. Sometimes what they do on the show is they'll focus on a queen a lot because their time is up. Yeah. Um, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Fifi go Home next week,

and I also would make the top fucking three. I mean, the thing is, in my opinion, in season four, Fifi stayed way longer than she should have been. I was shocked that she made the top three. So to me, like she beat Latrice Royale, I mean, I can't. But what the thing is, what if you do watch that season you watched the season six lip sync and it's Sharon and Fifi's doing It's raining Men. Fifi had tanked the challenge for them, then they say they do It's

raining Men, and Sharon kills her. I mean, Fifi does, like her fucking wig comes off and they they disqualified William So, which was like the stroke of luck for Fifi.

But Fifi, Yeah, I do think, though, when I'm rewatching season four now because I really needed to final Fifie, some of the drags she does towards the end of season four is better than a lot of what she's done in All Stars to I mean her, she should have on a think on Home the first week with that horrible performance, her horrible performance, but then that body suit wins heamous, I mean, then she comes out with that rubber duck bullshit. Okay, so now like, I do

think we'll have a top three. I I hope that they'll give us Alaska, Alyssa, and Katia. However, I do have a slight of I just can't see Alyssa winning despite what I really want, and I have an aversion to Katio winning for some reason. I just feel like if Alaska doesn't win, we'll look on it and be like, well, we all really know that Alaska was the best. But the thing is, like, what would I want to happen?

I would want to listen to Edwards to win All Stars too, But I also think there's something to the fact of like she doesn't win and she's like, all right, I'll still do my thing. What about you? My only thing?

And the only thing that also they'll add to this just because we're going on time is um I think I think we're getting a chantay boat stay or something because because it's six laugh and that what we have I mean, and even the criticism this week, we're like, there's very little to say and and there's the sixth laft. There's only three more episodes until we get a top three, Like wait a minute, there's there needs to be more.

We can't just have a six episode season. I think I think the series order for this was the season order was like eight episodes or something, so we'll see. Well, we do have whatever is coming with the eliminated queen. Yes, well, what's the preview for next week? Did you? Yeah? It was everybody, all the queens like just attacking a Lissa

for sort of switching the strategy. They also haven't had a sewing challenge yet this season, and yeah, they didn't go into the challenge for whatever, so basically it was entirely focused on them turning on Melissa. Yeah, it's it's like it's a shot I'm remembering now. It's like a shot of Fifi and Detox and and Roxy all be liked. Well,

Alyssa changed flipped the script or whatever. So anyway, I hate that because honestly, who the fuck if Alyssa had eliminated Cott, Uh, that would have been insane, incorrect, incorrect choice. And I think I think she's totally in the right saying that. Yeah, and also like they didn't look on the back line like they were all that shocked. I mean, Ginger gives her exit line and then all crack up, and it seems like they're all fine, Yeah, I just don't want to deal. I don't want to deal with

them coming for a lesson about this. Well, it's drama, honey. Let's move on to I don't think so honey, center piece of our podcast here at Lost Culture says, I don't think so honey. We have sixty seconds to rail against something in culture. But when and I famously do not prepare for this, and then I have something prepared, You have something prepared. I'm actually going to do a call back with mine, so, um, do you mind getting you make any time? I'm gonna get the time already.

And we've had some amazing I don't think so honeys in the pass, we've had a high bar. Do you are you prepared? I have not prepared something. But that's what makes Nicole a great improviser see her on the nightmare. And that's what makes this a great segment, is that people don't come prepared. Okay, let's go all right, here we go. I don't think so, honey, and the sixty

seconds begins now. I don't think so many people who listen to this podcast and don't play it at one point five speed, Mama, I don't think so honey, if you expect to sit through this podcast and finish this episode listening to us at normal speed. I cannot stand the speed that normal humans talk at, and I would rather die than listen to a podcast of recorded dialogue where it's not spoken at one point five speed. Guys, try this out, just just just hear me out. I

don't think so, honey. Play any podcasts, play any YouTube video. This has gone on to YouTube videos for me. I refused to watch a YouTube video without playing at one point five speed because I do not have enough time in my day to listen to someone speak at regular speed. Mama, I don't think so, honey. Try this out. Listen to this podcast at one point five speed. We all sound so much better, so much smarter, so much wittier than we would if we if we spoke at just one

uh one one time speed. Okay, try it out two times. Two times speed is too much. One point five is just that perfect middle ground. I'm like Goldilocks, bitch, this is speed. I don't think so, honey. Listened to this podcast at one points that's one minute? Oh I ran in a steam there, but my drove Okay, here we go, Matt, Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The face of sensationalism, bo and Yang. Here he comes riding through. I don't think so, honey.

On my podcast to honestly asserting that you should listen to it at an unnatural pace. This is insane. We listen to podcasts to connect. We listen to podcasts to hear a human voice, not a human voice pitched up. Honey, I don't think so, honey. Listen. I don't want to say you shake your head. I don't think so. You and this millennial culture, this comment culture coming in here, needing to rip apart what's natural. And you know that. But I don't think so, honey. Bow and Yang, Bowen Yan.

You're gonna see him in thirty years. He's gonna have a new face. He's gonna be plastic surgery. We're gonna go out to l A and Bowen Yang is going to prescribe, is going to prescribe to what all? He's gonna change himself. I don't need anyone to change my voice. My voice is high enough and fast enough. If I said something, you can tell I sat at the pace I wanted to say. It's I'm gonna say slowly. I don't think so, honey. Don't you dare listen to this

any faster than it should have? And that's one minute, Matt. Let's say something clarifying, bitch. Oh yeah, by all means be your own pr one point five times. Speed does not mean you pitch up. There's nothing to do with pitch Mama, don't get it twisted perfect, that's what I mind. Listen. I'm so sorry you had to see that. Mommy, daddy, Please don't fight. I'm the daddy. I'm the daddy. I'm the mam. Alright, so stupid. Alright, Nicole, it's time. This

is it. It's this is your legacy. This is they have to think about it like that, all about legacy. This is Nicole's. I can see. I don't think starts right now. I don't think so, honey. You you shown me in the movie Joy on an airplane? No the fuck way, I don't think so, honey. An airplane is a fucking prison. I can't leave. There's a screen in front of me. I can't tear my eyes away. Well, you want me to gouge my eyes on a plane?

Give me a spoon, Honey, I'll try. The movie Joy is a fucking phantasmagoria indulgence by whoever the funk came up with the idea. It has no plot, it has no talent. I don't think so, honey. You want to tell me that Jennifer Lawrence is supposed to play more than one age and we're supposed to feel bad for her. Honey, Jennifer Lawrence has the most terrible life in that movie, and you know how it ends, she gets a more terrible life. I don't care about that, mop. Why is

that movie three hours long? Why is it from the three different styles? It's I'm on an airplane, bitch, don't do this to me. I don't think so, honey. I'd rather the plane go down with me and the president on it. Then we have to see one her frame of Joy the film one more time and Oscar not. I don't think so, honey. One a minute. Let me tell you something. There was a problem in Hollywood, and it's Jennifer Lawrence playing age. I can't. She plays all ages.

She plays your six year old niece, she plays her eighty year old dying grandmother of all times? Who are you kidding. I don't even think that David Russell came up with the story. It's like there was a script and David Russell got it and he was like, I love it, and then he was like, I'm rewriting it it that's right, this right. But her script got totally rewritten. She is not responsible for what we saw. But here's

the thing. It is the worst movie I've ever seen any Before it came out, there was like Oscar talked about Jennifer Lawrence in the biblepic of a woman that came up with the miracle mop. I was like, fuck you, I am not seen that, and then I can't. She tried to watch her on the plane. Jennifer Lawrence wasn't terrible in it. She was. She was fine. She's the best she could. But god, that movie is fucking It's a scourge. It's I mean, look, this is David Russell

is so hit or miss though. I mean he's also like a bad person miss and he's and the way he's talked to what's her name, no, not that's who it was disgusting. And he got into a fist fight with George George Claney. I can't even deal with I literally can't deal with anyone that says that one David masculinity, Yeah, that masculine. I mean no, no, I could put someone

on blast right now. Let's just say I'm close to someone that called our neighbor the sea word, even if she was being difficult, and I was like, you can't do that. You have to tell me after her. Yes, we have a lot of names that we need to share. We've been a mutual friend. Mutual friend, that's money, all the tea, and literally it's no tea, it's all, it's all, it's no shade, it's all try. The only name we did say today was Jennie Stol God bless. I love her.

I love her. This has been such an amazing episode. And can I tell you this is a reveal. The first time at Nicole Silverberg was we were in training for story Pirates and we were put in a story together for training. It was about I played a bully, yes, and you played the bullies girl. And we hadn't spoken before that, and Nicole's character choice was to come out with a speech impediment. Remember, everyone was like that, that's

very cool. They hired somebody with a speech impediment. Because you did such a good speech impedim And then later on we spoke and I was like, she doesn't have a speech pedim at all. She just is a genius. That's what everything good. That's what everybody was speech impediment realness. Yeah, I'm the bowies, go find We're going to make a whirlwind herricane in the hallway authetic. I remember, Oh my god, you remember the details. I remember there was stink bombs

in it. Oh yeah, what do you tho played on a janitor. Yes, that was great. And so she's a maid it was in that as well. Yes, really insane. But this is it's just so funny. And literally I did not know that people thought that I had a speech in pediment. That gives me a great joy. Literally somebody was like, that's crazy. I guess Nicole really has a speech and peniman and I was like, you know,

I guess. You know it's important hires diversity, diversity. We needed someone like you can't pronounce that ours um, and then you pronounced the ours wonderfully. Thanks stark Yard, guys, this has been Nicole Silverberg, thank you so much for being a guest host with Anna Dresen and potentially someone new now, Yeah, Rachel, thank you, we're taking over the podcast. Yeah, we have to get Rachel on um. This is Last culturesas tune in next time time. We're so excited and

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