"Phantom Hole" (w/ Krystyna Hutchinson & Corinne Fisher)

so you're projecting onto your energy. I'm just saying, like, okay, first of all, well, it was a late light night last night, and we were out having a nice time, and it felt like everyone in the world hooked up with us. Yes right, yes, yes, right, it's not fair. Everyone at this bar we were out kept fucking pairing off, like okay, it's that kind of night, and love was in the air, and it made me feel like I'm going to catch the bug. And I thought I was

going to catch the too. But hey, I thought you were. I thought I was getting all the bugs. I thought you were getting the bugs last night. I thought you were getting debugged. Sorry, okay, I thought we're talking abot two different things. I'm talking about STDs and you're talking about No. I believe that's an element of what I was talking about s t DS, But I did transition and talking about how I thought you were going to get plugged. You're famously someone who enjoys the bottom. Sure

would you call yourself a famous bottom? Now? I don't know if it's famous. I do I talk about I talk about getting toys all the time. Yeah, I don't get them all the time. I bought three dildos for a show that we did for Queers Live at Joe's Pub, and did they sever purposes afterwards? But theatrical? And I was just like, well, I can't just make it theatrical. You have to make it real. You have to clean

those though. I clean them, I get into the the grooves and hot water again, and the girls are yours. The Wait, what you have a lot of like special toys, Like they're just standard silicone. Explain what the trainer build is. The trainer one is just not as girthy. It's just it's like a smaller dick and it's perfect. Like I mean, like whatever if I need, if I need to like level up, level up a girth class, then like that's

like um getting a new belt in karate. Absolutely so go up a notch and and your girth right right right, um and so anyway, anyway, we didn't didn't even matter last night, didn't even matter last night speaking of an All one of her guests, Hadsome last night, and I am so proud of her. And we need to get into this, well, we do need to get into this. And you know, this is the thing. But this is inspired.

Our whole intro conversation is inspired. It's inspired. But like our guests, I mean, like this is like just me like reflect like checking my own like whatever pearls, like checking your pearls. But when when I listened to to these to these two people just like talk so openly, it's so refreshing, I'm like, yes, this like this should be how it always is. Well, that's why it's a revolution. It's a revolution, bab. That's why it's fucking iconic. It's iconic.

That's why it's one of the biggest podcasts out there in the universe. In the universe, Arosa would say, in the universe, the most powerful, powerful podcast in the universe, and the most powerful at the most powerful anti slamings podcast slaming anti slaming. When you when you're a sledgehammer, we just cut right to the trees and call you a slammer. But if you are not worth two or a time, if you're a slammer, that is that is the worst thing you can call someone, the worst thing.

You're fucking slammer. And I see you get the fun out of this bar before I fucking clock you. I would never slam And look, the thing is like I love everyone last night who got laid. I just we're not flaming. I'm not slaming. Slaming is worse than murder. Slaming is the worst thing you could do. You a prison for slaming. It's treason. It's like this slaming treason. Murder is murder worse than treason. Murder is not worse than treason. And I think treason to the wason is

like the bad one. It's not slaming, not blaming anyway. So here's the d We have to fucking fabulous guys. And they are the host of guys we fucked. They're the comedy duo. Sorry about last night, Um, y'all. They have books and ship like that is like aspiration. Imagine having a book. That is one of the things I want, That is one of the things you want. We should talk, we should talk. I would love to talk about this with them. Can we talk? Can we candidly talk at

some point you and I about a book. I think you and I not reading another book, because you know that's a challenge. In order to write a book, you have to read a book. I believe that's untrue. Okay, well, well have you question about it. I'm truly so excited thrilled to have our guests. Please give a welcome in your ears to our guests. Correct Fasher and Christina Hutchinson missing your magic. So you know, I realized the energy. I'm not as tired of the energy Imin is dropped in.

I'm so horny y who did the anal? Like hardcore? And I'm like he was on top. We were like facing yes. At first he put it in my pussy and I was like and I was like, I tell him that's the wrong hole because he's like, oh, let's do it. And then I did it and I was like, that's my pussy and then we both laughed and then put it and then I put it in my butt. Man, oh man, we've went you've both done anal before and we are we fans generally to sam with this person yes,

with this person. Person. It depends on the person, depends on the person, depends on how we moved, depends on the penis. Yes, the curve, the curveture, the size, the way you know he's not taper. Yeah. Yeah, I need a trainer dildo. I love it. I will sing the praises of trainer dildos until the day I die. I mean so much butt stuff last night that my fingers

right up his ass. Yeah? Is this the guy? Because when we were on your show a few weeks ago, you said that you had started dating someone and he had and his butt was unknown to him, and he is he never had a finger up his butt and he just let me do it. He goes, what do you want to do to me? Do it? And he didn't even flinch. I'm like, what a g oh my god. I love Yeah, I've like fell in love with him when he let me finger his butt hole and didn't flinch.

That's beautiful. Yeah, I mean that's that's love. Yeah, I agree, it's really really really yeah, but like we're not exclusive, but it's fun. I agree with things though. Yeah, right, it's conversion. Did he say did he say? I love you when your finger and went into his butt. No, that would have been there's a whole feature film in that. I think there's a scientific study in that. What if my finger went in his button, it came out, there's

a ring on it. That's that's how the movie. Yeah, that's that starts Robby Malik and Jessica chest Yes, that star that starts Darren Chris Chris. We love him, We love Darren. Do we know Darren Chris? I mean I think he's hot, and I mean not in real life. So okay, so we can talk candily about the bitch. All right, So now you know what, Darren Chris comes out and says, now he's not going to do any more gay part part after he's done them all, I've decided to no longer be gay. Okay, wait, like he's

not going to be gay anymore. He's not gonna play gay straight straight, and so yeah you know that. He's like, it's other notorious ones for playing all the gay part and people don't like that because you only can play exactly so like I can only play a content film in the breakdowns, you can only play that. Yeah, it's not fair if a non count plays a count. Yeah, it's bad representation. It's just not going to be as good. Yeah, it's not gonna be authentic. Yeah, I mean listen, yeah,

cont appropriation. We don't need to Let let's see. I'm so scared to say that. I can say it. No you can't. I don't want to say it. I think I think we can call it. We can call each other. You could call anything a cunt if it's yours, your good friends. And also I think it's how you say it. It's just like, can't you know, like you're a cunt, or like can't it's whimsical. Well, it belongs in the community, in your community, in the community community fage, it belongs

to us, and I feel like anyone else's fagett. I'm like, oh, but you just said earlier we can call each other sees And I was like, but each other, you're not including yourself And no, no, I wouldn't. Look. Look, we need to have full breakdown of words where they all belong to us, they all belong to us all. Look, um, were you're gonna say, You're gonna say something if it's if it's love, if it's in the if the finger isn't the ass, Oh well let's just break it down

to this. I feel like if some if you get to the point where you're enjoying anal fully with someone, you gotta hang on to that. I know, right, that's that's right in my bed right now. And Christina and I have a guard. Christina, and I was like, what's the over under on him being there when you go back? Because you were like, he might, he might, I don't know what's going to happen. I left him a note, no text, a note and written had written on a

on an index card, I'm coming there. And I put a travel toothbrush and toothpaste on the note because it's at the top of my staircase. Yeah, it's pretty cute. I'm pretty cute. There's joy emanating from you. Yeah. There. You know. I just had anal and enjoyed it very joy honestly. You know, it's also enjoyable having anal and then being like not again, okay, is that your experience? No? I mean I listen, I used to have anal like

semi frequently years ago. Uh, like when I was in college. Beautiful, and then you get older and you're like, oh, I just don't have to ever do anything. I don't want to do. It's fine. It's like it reminds me like the Carrie Bradshaw episode where I just call it Carrie Bradshow. She's why we're all tuning in, and she was just like, you know, like when she's like, oh, it's you know,

it's on the menu. I don't always order it, but sometimes, I mean, she wasn't talking about anal, I don't think, but she might if that's how I she That's how I feel about it, Like it's on the menu. Sometimes

I'll have it. It's not my favorite thing to Warner, but it just seems like it's on this trajectory where it was like speaking of sex in the City, like the whole Miranda episode where it's like she gets her ass what but yeah, yeah, it's like that back then in the late nineties early early ots, like it probably seemed I guess that's when they were first discovering eating the butt, or at least eating the butt and talking about it about I rewatched Sex in the City and

I realized Carrie is very coy about sex. She does not talk about it right, and ap refused in her contract to you yeah right, right, So that's even are just like in that Ballerina. But I love that she always did have like, um, clothes, a lot of clothes sex. Honestly that this is not my I don't think so, honey. But I don't think so, honey. Clothes, sex and films. It's like, that is not how we do it. And also you don't have sex with the covers on you

like I never do. Sometimes I like having sex with the brawn because it makes my boobs look pretty good. Right, I have this question for um people with boobs post coitus. Are you if you have a sheet or a towel or whatever. I mean, like, if it's just you and the other person in the room, are you are you wrapping your your thing over you your breast? No? Right, okay, I'm leaning on him and my boobs are just against his back. Perfect. But let's say you're like going up

to like get a book off a shelf. Are you? And you? I'm so glad you to call me out, don't you? I read Entertainment Weekly? Okay, after I pull out my rags, I have the first edition of The Pearl, and I go get it and I read it. That's why it's there. That's beautiful. I read infinite Jess on the table like my ideal post coitus activity. Yeah, I was just gonna say that after Yeah, I'm so ry. Yeah, eating a sandwich, but it has to be like specific, like a big sandwich on like a Portuguese roll, Like

I need a lot of car specific. But I need to reload, Like I just said a marathon. Yes, and you did do American. Yeah. Sex is hard. It's a lot of work. Sex when you're on top. I had to take a brand, Like my legs hurt, just stop? Can you fuck me now? Yeah, cramps are a real thing. Yeah, I don't yet know what to do with my abdomen. I'm like, well that's a tough a if I'm on top that it's like I'm just like it feels like

a sucking lerch. I'm like, like the physicality presented at this moment, I truly wish this were I wish podcasts were as people at home. Yeah, that's it. It's just like it's it's a dog barking, but imagine like your body moving to that. So this is when you're so, this is when you're topping, you know, this is when I'm like I'm in control, So in the body from doing guys y, Yeah, that's why, okay, because it was so fun. The advantage, the advantage of butt sex is

that you can't see each other's abdomens. You know, sometimes you can't. Can you do it? I have butt sex face to face? Well, but you're you're a gal. Yeah, this is a common misconception. Guys. You can look at each other right in the old However, Oh me too. I actually I don't like the feel very impersonal the whole, Like I can't see your face right, Yeah, that's what I was thinking, and that's why I liked it. Um,

but like even in gay porn. I've watched in gay porn, and is that common to see that in gay porn because I usually see not to face. I'm gonna give you some can you send me. I've seen guys, I like porn face it's very and this is my thing with gay porn. I scrub right to the parts where they're looking into each other's I need Bernie for eye contact. Honestly, there's these porn stars. Um, there's these porn stars and they're a couple and you can see the video where

they met and you can basically watch them. You have it's car It's Carter Dan and Alex meecom last name. But there's like they're like their Instagram is like having an amazing sign with my lover in Paris and it's like they say lover. They things like that they met in a fucking like war zone set or something like they made they like a Justice League porn parody, like that's where they met meet it. Oh my god, that's

what we need. More socially woke porn scenarios. If you're going to make a plot, yeah, education, they should do a gay sis gay meal porn set at the women's march. Woudn't that be fun? Yeah, while we're marching, we'll just march around. Just put the bed in the street and we'll march around it like they're walking down with your

sign and like you make eyes. And then the next scene is just like you like grabbing your dick and going and isn't putting your sign down and just sing and laying into it going into the city m D and City m D. But the thing was, I was at a I was at a sex convention a couple of months ago, and there were like cam girls but they just had booths like it was fucking comic con.

There was a mess. There was a mattress on the floor and they were just like in the middle, but it was it just looked very it was very sad. Yeah yeah, because it's like on concrete trying to sell like a crystal to put up your pussy and next to you, like I was like I need to go wait wait wait what was where was this? It was a sex convention in Brooklyn. Did you have a booth? Absolutely not. I would never have a booth any Like, no, I went, I walked through this, I go, you know what,

this is not not me. And then they had some puppies that I mean, we're definitely being abused, but you could pay a dollar to spend some time with them. So I go to the puppies or who oh no, no, no, I went to the person also selling a costume jewelry. But I was like, maybe I could make these puppies lives brighter for a moment. What do we think about the memory span of a dog? Because my fucking mom is like she really thinks that. Um, they do because when you come home, oh have you ever gotten a

YouTube black hole of soldiers coming home? Because they remember remember years later they remember they remember people by scent. But as far as time, like, yeah, I can go downstairs and like get a can of diet coke and then come back upstairs and my dog will act like I've been gone for five days. That's all right. So you did make an impact on those dogs. Dogs talk and they come up to her and like talk. You have a connection with them. Well, I was a dog

past life. But my mom said, please stop saying that, because you're never going to find a high. But I'm committed to what would you have been to you? I don't I didn't go that deeply into the breed, but not like a like a Chinese hairless like one that like you're like, I don't want to really be near it, but they're rare. That's that's everything you just said is me Chinese hairless. I don't want to be near them, but but they're rare. You are in a past way.

I like a Chinese hairless. Yeah, they're pure bread though, so like my dogs like a whippet mix, but he's very fast. So that's that's not me. That's not always like always in a great mood, but has a real attitude problem. Honestly, he sighed, I don't know. I've seen I've heard him. So I was like, yeah, like you get a dog because you don't. It's it's something that's breathing and living that doesn't sigh. I think it's hilarious that he sighed, like he's like he's cutty to some people.

And I like, out of all the out of all the women in New York, you had to walk into my rest, my kennel. I want to go back to the sex convention things. So at what point are you like, I don't know, I can't get on. Well, it's not that you're you're not judging like the cam girl on the mattress. No, I'm not judging. I just she had I am good a bed frame. Come you had a

better setup? Because I think if you're in if you're in a sex positive environment, I shouldn't be getting a tears welling in my if you're in a sex positive environment, especially when you're not trying to evoke DearS. Right, if they're trying to peddle something, they're trying to sell something, that package it nicely, right, I don't care what you're selling. I'm willing to like check it out, but don't make

it look so bleak. Yeah. The other day I was on porn um No I was, I was, and I was actually I was watching cam guys there I got to do that. They're mostly straight, which I kind of like I've never seen o, like they're they're straight guys. Like there's straight guys that are depends if you want to funk them. And it's like, wait, I want to

watch that. Honestly, it's like these I don't have to use room, but I was watching I was, you know how like you can like it's like it's like they upload the videos that they record onto these porn sites and then ing ding and it's people messaging them and they're like, I guess Jack talking back. Yeah, but they're basically like, you know, having like computer sex with everyone,

and they make money. They make queen dollars. But I didn't know that you can go, you can just go and be a void to camp people even when it's happening in real time, because you can just once time like our friend Lena the Plug does conversity, and so I just clicked on it because I was curious. Even tho I feel uncomfortable watching people. I know do it And I was like, oh, I'm just in the room. I don't have to pay or log it in. Yeah. Yeah, if you just watch it, it's weird style. Yeah, it's

like they're on there for like so long. A lot of it is just like watching her eat girl chicken and asparagus on a plane in like a hot way or in a regular Guys get into what I have

to eat. Yeah, it's just living their lives. Watch what it becomes like a cooking sensation, like slash like sucking in a garden type somebody's SMR people though I can't make so much money, and all they do is they just talk and they're just like they do like the girlfriend experience, the boyfriend experience where they're like, how's your days?

Like I felt like it's it's crazy and like it's through these like nineteen year old people who are just like it's just being like cocatty, cocatty, cocatty, and it's do you watch that? I've never gotten but you seem

maledgeable on the subject. And you know what was my gateway was fucking Cardi B did this a SMR video for She's amazing at it she knows her stuff, and she like knows what the triggers are, and she taps her nails on like this baby toy, like she knows she's seen the videos before because she's mimicking because other celebrities do it, like they don't really they're kind of like dicking around. Cardis like in the video she's like, I'm not going to do the whisper, but she was like,

my husband thinks it's very weird. But I watch a SMR every single night and it's like, oh, so she is into it, but like I watched that, then I start I fell into this rabbit hole of a SMR people who have millions of subscribers mad box and they're like, Okay, this is this. Next one is me tapping my finger nails on this shampoo bottle. Um, this is videl, says student.

I've gotten a lot. Why did they describe it? Well, they describe it because they're like because they're like I've got They're like, I've gotten a lot of re for this bottle. They love they love the lacquer on this bottle, and everyone gets fucking crazy about is it for masturbational for some people? For some some people it's about calming, relaxation. Some people, it's about like feeling like they have a significant other like girlfriend experienced, boyfriend experience. For some people

they do just jack off to it. I'm going to do all three. I can see that happening. Phantom dick right now, Oh my god. Yeah, and if and you have phantom prostate, phantom but hole, phantom dick, but don't actually have about hole in real life. But but but now you do sant phantom butthole is actually what they were going to call phantom thread. And they changed as a cript like I will not do this phantom phantom butthole, um would you? I'm like, what I would I do?

Well at SMR, I think you would. I think you're really into it. I see your glow. I think you guys you could. You can do. You have to be careful though, because it's real quick when you can just veer off into like sound effects for a future film. It's like walking through like this a fine line between like SMR performer yes, and but then like that's like a path to an oscar. Absolutely, that's really what it is.

I asked my people who are just young talents trying to figure it out in this industry, Yeah, what was your gateway? Wait, so there's a YouTube thing where celebrities do this and Cardi b it's demumenting, and I think it's like a brilliant idea to have celebrities like I think they give them like um like like too fluffy, Like I'm already tricking celebrities into doing sex work because that's what I've seen. I mean, Cardi is already funny

reality celebrities. We watched The Mass Singer the Other need I know about it, but I didn't watch it yet, so I'm curious, you guys professional culture opinion on it and literally okay, so this is our professional culture opinion on it. We watched it and it's so stupid literally basic. So what it is is, it's exactly the title. It's

celebrities are in full costumes. They're completely masked, and they're on these stupid things like a rabbit costume and alien costume, like a big costume, times squarees costumes like like like

a parrot. Someone was like just like crazy. One of them was like a SpongeBob type thing and it was just like so basically what they get paired off and we can't see the celebrity, but before they perform, they give hints and clues as to what celebrity they are in real life, and apparently we're to believe they're like

a list celebrities quote unquote. I was like, what caliber OfTI they would say a list, But of course when any of the show says a list, they literally mean like Joey Fatone, so that very well it could be one of the actual singers. Joey Forte. Why one time walked next to in Universal Studios, Florida, and not a soul knew it was him, And I was like, literally, this man was one of the biggest pop stars in the world and he is fully here with this family

and no one, no one cares about. In fact, I'm the only person who even notices and he's not like

a small person who's notice him. You notice him. And so anyway, um, there are some rumors that he is one of the singers because a lot of the clues were really leaning into that we really don't know, you don't know, So what happened was always available the same bunch, they get paired up and then the celebrity judges, which are fucking Jenny McCarthy, Nicole Scherzinger, Ken John and Robin Fick, who apparently we're still permitting to Like I was like, didn't we say no? We said yeah, I thought he

went inside. It's actually real culture number forty eight, we said no. Sucking Paula Patton Ship is unforgiving anyway. But like basically, like this is the judging panel and they after after the singers perform like stupid songs like this, the like Rabbit performed Live in Love You to Loca and he ended up winning. And so then when you lose your round, you're at risk of getting eliminated. In every episode someone gets elimited, and there are has it

been any shockers? The one before that was like an ex athlete, like people that didn't know take it money or a prize or like just first place. They all want to be singers. I guys, I was like, because I was so non singers are singing. I thought we were guessing the voice of people who are singers, both because Joey like it was like singing, but it wasn't singing,

you know what I mean. It was like it was like it was like you definitely singing this money money, money, yeah, because he literally said the end of his clue clip was and you know that at the end of the competition, one person is going to be standing and it's gonna be me, So like, was it? It was? Really? And actually the judges were like, I think it's um, they think it's Lance pass. Now I don't think it is. But right, he was the base of the group. But

Lance is a lot shorter than Joey. I mean, are they wearing stilts, because otherwise we can tell by how I've met Lance in person, he's a he's this little guy. Yeah. I think they pad out the costumes too, so it's like you can't really tell my body shape. And it's truly was. But but we're watching it and we're just like, this is like it feels like a fake TV show. This is Christoper movie. You can't believe this is where we're at. Like we were watching it with and we

we're like, Okay, this is entertainment. The world will end, Like this is the apocolypse. This is the apocalyse. This is what happens when we have eighty seven thousand channels. Yeah, you meant you need to start so much content in sane it's insane. But anyway, UM, I don't know what my point with this was. I think the cultural opinion that we have on it is I mean, like we watched it. It was there, it was there. I mean,

it allowed, it entertained us. We did fast forwards. I wanted to see who just one of the celebrities were, Tommy Chong. It was Tommy Chong, which was like it was it was good. I mean my mom would be excited. Yeah. It's so funny though, because the first guy that they revealed, like this football player, athlete or whatever, you could tell the judges like the Ko Singer was like I knew it. It's you. It's like no one knows. Oh my god.

That's great. Also, I have to say it on the pod, what Nicole Scherzinger is the doubleganger of Patty Harris Patty Harrison from Patty Harrison. Yeah. Okay, so now we're getting into culture. Should we ask the question? We're gonna ask the question. So we asked this to all of our guests and we'll start. Let's start with Karen Um. We asked her guests, what was the culture that made you

say culture is for me? Which just means that which just means what was the thing that like was formative for you when you grew up culturally, Like it could be it could be a book, a movie, a TV show, a neighborhood, someplace you grew out a person in your life, Like there was something that was formative. I mean for me, it has to be the Spice Girls. I was thinking this. I was like, I think mine might be the Spice Girls.

It's huge for everyone. And that's amazing answer. Yeah, the Spice And also I mean, like I thank them in the in the front of our book one of the I think the Spice Girls and my mom, the Spice Girls had like such a such an impact on who I am and I always think about, like my whole life. I just wanted to be a Spice Girl, and I kind of became one, like you think of if you

think of it very like just by exactly what they did. Oh, I'm not a singer and I'm not a dancer, but like what was the essence of being a Spice Girl. It's like being a woman in charge of your own body, saying what you want to say, putting friends over relationships. And I'm like, I became a Spice girl. I did

what I wanted to do. They were talking about feminism early to they were I remember, like they mentioned it often in their songs and it's definitely in the movie, like yeah, and like they were like, I'm very into the branding of feminism because everything has to be branded, because if you want people to be on board, you gotta sell it to them. And I think there's a lot of bad branding in feminism. But those Spice girls made it really palatable basically and fun and not too serious.

But they stood up for themselves in a way that you're like, Okay, I can get behind this, total loved it. Did you identify with one more than the other? So yeah, I was. I was Posh Bye from day one talks the least, but when she does, it's like she hits it. Yeah, Honestly, there's nothing funny. I think that Posh by gives the standout performance in Spice World by far. I really do.

And there's nothing funnier to me. It is my entire communic sensibility is when they all get on that like product of course, and you just see Posh walk slowly on the side just like I love that. I thought it was the funniest thing. I was like nine. I was like, this is the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen. And also her line reads of when they when they fall off the boat to that my Boy Lollipop song and she goes, this dress is dry kling. Only shut up, Jerry.

She's just like, literally, hits, you're right, she speaks the least, but when she speaks it is right. I'd like it too. But I mean she's driving the bus, she's she's going Sunday drive us. I like that one. And then when they cut from the actual bus to the little toy bus because they're like that's going to be expensive, notarily.

I just love it. It's funny. And also that this is the line I was thinking of, Um they go through in the hospital, she goes my eyespy with my little eye something blue and they go hospital and shut up. I was like, I'm fucking love this movie because it seems like the real thing. It seems they had that hemistry. Yeah, and there like, god, that is that ever going to happen again? Like with where like a huge world wide

worldwide sensation band. That's like a scripted movie, scripted right, it was in this It was in the Hard Days but actually critically Hard Days Night was not very well received and Spice rolled act. I think a lot of people were like, that was kind of good because it's very British. I got the bootleg vhs that flea market and that's how I saw it, and it's fun. I went to a screening a couple of years ago in in Manhattan with a bunch of you know, people were

living their childhood and it was great. Yeah, somebody give you a Spice Girls banner one of our shows. Yeah, someone had like a huge vinyl thing printed and he like drove it in from like hours away. Didn't bring it to this show because they're like, we didn't know if we would be allowed in. And I was like, I mean, we're not banning Spice Girls banners from the showing free ticket. Yeah. They came back and I was like, yo, yeah, And I mailed it home to myself and it's in

my closet. I just I mean, that can't be thrown away. I don't know what I'm doing with it, but what did it say on It was just it's just a huge vinyl of the them. One of the movie promo picks with them over that glitterary picture. They were so iconic, like that union Jack dress is forever. That's a part of history, that's a part of culture. Like babies, like little pigtails. Those they were styled impeccably, just like that

is like a hair moment for for all time. And their shoes, I mean, Steve Madden started making those shoes, those platforms shoes. I still have them. I mean, platforms are also way better for you speaking of feminism, because you're not you're not hurting your knees because you're just higher. Favorite song do you have one? Yeah? I mean I think so You'll be There to me is the strongest song.

So You'll Be There is incredible. I also think there Everence of Wanna Be is just like wow, Like that's that was truly written in a moment of like, let's write something fun. That's what I like that cookie fun. It's like it didn't have to I mean, I'm sure like it had sign up from like all these fucking label people, but it's like now it's like you gotta get really, you gotta have you gotta be in your imperial phase in order to put out to do something

that outside the box. That was their first thing at the Gate it was like cooky fun different, like timeless. Well, Rolling Stone did some kind of a survey, and want to Be is the second. Uh most like you can hear the least of it and people can what it is. So you can hear like five seconds of it or something. And there's only one song that people can identify faster than want to Be. I don't know. I think three was, I have the Tiger. I can't remember what one was.

One was something might have been something crazy like Mambo number five or something, you know what. I would guests and this is kind of crazy. We are the champions, like well, actually it's not about like iconic, like if it's iconic or not. It's about recognizable within a snippet like that time saying but want to Be. It's like don't donu donu no no no no like you. That's want to Be, Like I feel like the cord proof the Chords or something like or if it's the track

from the actual album, it's it's the Heels Heels. Yeah, that's also I have to say underrated, well not underrated, it's it's one of their biggest hits, but to become one I come on. So when they did their reunion when remember when they went back on tour the first time. I was the first time I was there a second time, I'll probably have to fly to the UK for this time, and yeah, I would love to go. I would love to see them. I want to see them very bad.

I remember they performed to Become One on Strictly Come Dancing, and again they have these amazing hats like they were like it was they were a dressed like they were in the video, and I was like, this is such a fun like remembrance of this. And you listen to the lyrics and they were talking about like using condoms. They're talking about safe sex, put it on, put it on music like the nineties when that was and you know that actually I think maybe pre dates Sex in

the City by a couple of years. Pepper was before Yeah, because that was the first song I ever heard that was like, oh ship you can like stand up to. And also, yeah, she Become One is like one of

the best fucking songs baby making songs. And I think, um, fucking wait, no, no, no, no no, to Become One of the music video where they're on They're all over New York right, yes, yes, and Emma and babies like she got she's got a beautiful voice to every well they record, they shot it and then they like shot it at double speed. They slow motioned it so that it's like the city is like zooming around. But they're

just like it's so good. Yeah, No, they were amazing that and you know who, you know who like put them together in packaged them and they Simon Call released a book like years ago, like when I was really drinking the American idol cool A, I bought Simon Call's book. When I read, honestly, he talks a lot about like when the Spice Girls first hit, and he said that it's like it was like this undeniable thing like everyone in the industry like they heard want to Be before

everyone else. And then it was like the next day everyone heard it, and it was like this moment in time where everyone can remember I have this with one other artist. I remember where I was when I found out about Britney Spears because it caught like fire. I

remember one day I didn't know who she was. The next day it was maybe one more time, like everyone was like, did you see Britney Spears And I was like, whoa, and that he talks about that in the book too, because interestingly enough, TLC turned down the song um Baby one More Time that was like a song that they had in the industry, and this art, this um ended

up with it. And Simon Collett in the book or like in some interview that I read, was like he was he couldn't believe that, like this unknown artist was getting maybe one more time and the person that that was working with her, I forget who it was, was like, no, you don't understand, Like it has to go to this artist. It has to go to this artist Britney Yes, And Simon was like, well who is it? And they said

her name is Britney Spears. And Simon was like, well, you know you're going to have a hit with an artist named Brittney Spears. And then like just from the name like that that sounds like something, and then you heard the song and the iconic and and then you're just like there is something in the name. Though it's like okay, You're like I want to know more. I remember the place. I remember I was where I was too. I was in my living room in Canada, lying on

my stomach, my sister put it on. I was like, who is this? Took the album cover. I remember the moment that I looked at the cover and looked her in that outfit, just like like, oh, I'm on board, Yes I have I have to own that album now. Yeah. I was like, I know that's that's crazy. Spice girls

were like that. Yeah. Because I don't remember where I was when I heard Baby one more time, but I absolutely I remember the moment, the whole scenario when I the first time I heard want to Be because I had like I guess it was you and Rod that I had on and I would always have that on while I was doing my homework. I was doing homework at this little tea table I had in my bedroom and it was I mean it was like a movie.

Like I like dropped my pencil and I got up and I went over and I mean, you don't have Shazam at the time, but I was like, who who is this? What is happening? And I couldn't stop thinking about I went to school the next day. I'm telling everyone about it. Guys. No, no, no, you need have you heard this song? Because this is this is the new thing? Okay, our lives When you listen to it, you feel like you're tasting something, you know what I mean. It's like it feels every it's a great pop song. Um,

did you thing? I would read the liner notes? Oh me too, I was so okay, So I was so crazy. I remember one time I was rehearsing for a play in high school and this is when uh Forever came out, which is the album that no one listened to. It sold like literally like twenty six thousand copies, which in comparison to record sales for the first two it's like like I could sell um like truly, I think we sold more books than they did. Album like that to real it's real bad. So I would have I have

a process where I was rehearsing a play. I was going really badly. Everyone was calling because I needed to get to rehearsal, and I said, oh, I'm sorry, I guess you didn't hear because not a lot of people did that Forever came out today, and so I had to listen to the whole album once in silence in my room, and then I listened to it again immediately

after while reading the liner notes. And that was my process for any album that I really care you could get off you guys, thank you next crazy are you? And then like there's some good songs off Forever though, holler, I sang do you want to know something? At my high school graduation, I sang with three other girls goodbye bye the Spice Girls, and it was my idea's beautiful. It's a beautiful song, and the videos and it's all it's snowy. It makes me think, so we're also forgetting

about spicetop. Yeah, fucking Ariel our front arial. He's like instructor played too much yesterday on the bike. I was like, I love That's an iconic scene in the movie too. There's just so many. I also like the one where the ass lists guys come out, come on, come on. I just love that song. It's not an official Spice Girls song, but yeah, you couldn't find me it's not

because it's not. And when they were very big about all having writing credits, so most of their songs, if not all of them, maybe not in Forever because they got a dark child involved, you know, dark time doing what everyone else is doing. Right, Yeah, they lost it. And I mean that Jerry had left by that point because she thought she was going to be Beyonce and

she's not, and it was not great. Have you ever Like there's very available now is like documentary footage about the breakup, and they'll they'll all sit down and like really talk about what happened. And so it's kind of crazy because literally all the rumors at that time were Jerry and Scary fighting about like he was going to make creative decisions for the group or like to be the primary like Paul McCartney and John Lennon classic story,

And apparently that kind of is what went down. Like they always butted heads, they were they were incredibly close and um, I think still are remained close to this day. Yeah, they're they're all on good terms. Again. Past doesn't want to do the tour. Yeah, Well, anyone who thought because her and I was like, guys, if you really knew the Spice Girls, you would have not known going into this that she was not going to be a part

of the reunion. She's been very open about that. I mean she's like she's like, guys, I really like, I'm not a good singer. Like that's why I love her because she's like, yeah, and I'm not a great singer. She knows, she knows what her value is, but she has like a fashion line. She's a hot husband. She's doing so well. Her brand is doing the sales army. I mean she's she was already rich before the Spice Girls, and then she got Spice Girl rich, then she'd married

David Beckham and now her brand is insanely well. They are no joke famous and yeah the UK they are top. But also considering how famous the Spice Girls are, they haven't had any really huge like issues or scams or media things. They came at the exact last time. I think they could have, honestly, because they kind of like hit and had their Imperial phase moment and then kind of faded out right before and the beginnings of LI A O L social media like in a real way.

And because the next thing was Brittany, the next was Brittany, I think, um and say, the last thing I will say about the Spice Girls is the reunion single Headlines is very good. I can't I can't believe you even know headlines. You're you're a real fan. I fucking loved them. Yeah, it's so funny because but at the did you go to the re so so when they started singing headlines, everyone was just like you can tell, you can tell who like the super fans were because I knew the lyrics,

but like no one didn't there what's this fine? What's this one? And it was, I mean, it was hilarious and embarrassing. Do you remember when they did the Olympics in London and they came out of that was so good, iconic, so good. Um, okay, that's a great answer. We move on to go around the room and say which spice girl you are? Now we know, Um, I'm scary, like ethnic whatever. Don't do that to yourself. I believe that you are scary. I think I am scary, like I

think like I like she just like whatever. I don't have like the same like I don't have as much like charming personality as she does, but like, yes you do, stupid. I'm someone who's just like who feels good about I feel okay about being Like Meloby is low key a superstar, nobody's amazing and she was real dancing with the stars. She remembered. She was yeah, yeah, okay, that's me. You go. I think that I actually am Jerry Wow, that you

are her. I think I am Jerry. Jerry's the mess singer. God, I thought I know one of her songs even scream if you Bought to Go Faster. And she also did a bad cover of its raining Man, So I don't know, it's not like a New York guy, it's raining man. She just her first single was was looked at Me. Remember that look at Me? I loved that, alright, But I also have baby tendencies. I think you're you know, I believe you're Jerry. Okay, Jerry was my favorite. Spice

is my favorite. But maybe who who I am the most? I don't know, fucking Sporty. I was going to say sport I think I think Sporty is. First of all, you can never deny that Sporty was the well maybe the only one with a great voice. I mean she had a great yeah singing. I mean, I mean she was really saying she was the sound of the Spice GROLs. And also you can never forget sound like a fool.

The son was hot at gay clubs for a really good song, and she did and then and then left I rest in peace in Oh my god, it was really really good moment. Oh my god. Wait, everyone has all the listeners you have to listen to. I turned to you and maybe even Arial Padia should play that in class. I think that would be the guy just to to tell cycle too. I think that is that would signal the end of the world. It's so gay, it's very gay. It's so gay. Okay, um, okay, So

Christina's it's now time. Well, I'm very highly represented the Spice Christina Christine Posh. Sorry sorry, I got so flustered there. I was like, oh, yes, um, you're Posh, we know, and also I do. I just don't think there can be two posses at one table, or else I would have really made a run for Posh. Yeah. Um, but I think you're producer Emma's baby. Well, who do you

feel you are? What do you feel you rama? Yeah, we got all five pretty good, and we will fight and this will brawl, burn to the ground, and I would be the one to break off and be like, I'm going so low and no one gives a Well, it's so cocky of Jerry because she was one of the he was not an original Spice girl. There was a woman named Michelle Stephens says mom got sick and

then and then She's like, I gotta go. And then and then Jerry, like Jerry was kept calling because the original group was they answered and ad and then they turned against that guy because he was trying to sell them a deal that wasn't but they loved each other so that we're going to find a deal elsewhere in the industry, which I mean so feminist Michelle, So Michelle was in it, and then like there was literally Jerry just like kept going like they were like, I guess

we'll let this vision. Isn't that so funny? The movie? The movie is going to be so good. The actual like biopic of the Spice Girl was that in development? No, but I'm saying, like it Okay, I think we all go in on it with a VPS and then we're gonna say we can produce it. Yeah, we can get this to happen and we can go fund me it whatever. Christina, Um, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? Saturday night Life? Yes, okay, great from the seventies.

And I've read all the books, I've seen all the episode I interned. I moved here so I can intern there. Well, yeah, I didn't have an internship when I moved here, but I was like, I'm gonna get one. You can't intern unless you're in college. So the last semester of my college career, after three failed interviews, Dia Moles felt bad for me. It was like she called me and said I didn't get it, and I was like, okay, if anybody quit, call me, and she was like okay. It

was also the day my grandpa died. And then she called me right back, like twenty minutes later. I was like, you know what come in on Tuesdays and Saturdays And I was like, so, what did you do there? I? Yeah, I helped this lady preya rap chords. I didn't really have much to do. My god, they surely didn't have any cards iconic quote and set people into the cafeteria and I get around. I would ask like Andy Samber what he wanted for dinner? Ordered for certain people were

doing digital shorts. Oh my god, you gotta put that thing on your resume. She did what you wanted for lunch. Sometimes, yeah, she didn't want me there because there was one for me to do. I kept yeah, Pria didn't want me there because I was like in the way, But I god, I knew to keep quiet, I knew not to be annoying. The thing is, I feel I feel like the interns. I'm like this, this is such a gross thing for

me to say. But the nicest thing about before I went on break was all the like a bunch of interns left a card on my desk being like like, thank you so much for like learning my name and like saying me. I was like, yeah, like yeah, human being. I feel like that's not like a normal thing. They're now, um, it's not normally, you know. The cat the cast was so nice. Okay, great, the cast is almost were like, it's not a normal any internships, like interning a queer

eye and no one knew my name. I was like, all right, the first one first people knew any When I interned, I made an impression great wrapping those chords. Oh my god, all day they're all you coming, Your cords are all around. Looked at the cords and she was like, this looks like this girl's got something. She wrapped these cords really well. Even though I initially didn't want her here. Initially I didn't want this girl wrapping cords or even touching my chords at all. But looking

at these piles. She can stay. Like the last day of my internship, she told me something personal about her life and I felt so brought in great yeah and then she got but yeah she was cool. I liked her. I liked everybody. Haven't we always been a fan of used to fan? Oh my god, yeah, I've I've half asked auditions for them or submission like a real because I'm too scared because I love it too much. It's it's one of those. It's one of those. But it's

like it truly it's whatever. Being on the other side of it, it's like, just took a regular place to work, which sounds insane. It's become very it's become very demystified. Being so close to it, it's like, Wow, it really

isn't just a workplace. And they work hard a Saturday Saturday when you watch them quick change and then there's a horse in the fucking hallway and then you walk by Beyonce like the episode the season were Betty White and jay Z. That was the season I entered past a panic attack and she's my favorite person in the world, and um, yeah, but I and then the season finale, every party is on this ice skating rink right right,

I went up, I went back up. I learned like, oh we could go back upstairs in this particular evening, um in that party, and I just like ran around eight h by myself, and I just like I was like I would never for it every second of this moment, Like I had the whole studio myself, and I was just like I just stared at everything and touched the curtains of the dress. I'm obsessed with that. I mean, being there is surreal. Being there is surreal. But's it's

it's it's television history. I mean, yes, it's it's iconic. It's their rock star stars. Like when I when I used to watch this eighties my favorite five Years band, and it was just like they're rock stars there, the Beatles. Ye. So so then then you go against this theory that Lauren has that it's like everyone's favorite cast is from when they were in high school. You are a fan of that for this first is my favor? Oh my god. Yeah, have you seen this documentary? I need to see. Yes,

and she narrates it. It's so beautiful. Yeah, it's a gorgeous documentary. Just god. Book I've read her books so many times, her her thing what was the theater? What did you do the theater? That was her at the Beacon No, her at the Broadway show, her Broadway show. Yeah, yeah, I forgot what theater it was, but that's it was so sweet. Oh my god. The animals like so amazing. Yeah, she's incredible. Yeah. That one quote she has in her book, it's like, um, I always will lust after men, no

matter what happens with men. I'm always horny for my creativity like that. And I was like, yes, I totally she and Gane Wilder that's like a iconic and Bill Murray had like yeah right really yeah yeah. And when she was really sick, like the last time the cast ever saw her, Bill Murray like picked her up and like didn't want to believe she was sick and like like like threw her at everybody one at a time,

just like say hi and buy. Yeah. It was really oh my god, because like those what are the characters they do when when Bill Murray and her are playing like the yeah, so wirds, can you can kind of tell you can sense it when they're doing those characters. But I mean there was also like because as that was when they were like into each other because you were the big SML book, right, the chunky did you from New York? Yes, I have it. I'm like, I have it and I finished it. I can't believe it.

But I was like, it's that good that I was like and plus like it's conversations and it keeps skipping but in it because I'm like they're talking about like Bill Murray was like a little bit mean to Guilda. Yeah, and it's and it's a very weird dynamic her. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, her relationships with men are fats and yeah, she fell in love all the time, and I love That's why it's like me, I fell in love with so many people all the time. Jane Curtin talks about

she was on Watch What Happens Live. Jane Kurtin and Andy asked quite a bit about S and L, and Jane says that the way that the men kind of like treated Gilda was different than the way they treated Jane because jane strengths were more kind of being a straight man like kind of like um, you know, doing weekend Update and things like that, and like she said, like Gilda was Guilda like she was just kind of accepted as like one of the guys, which like came

with its own I guess baggage for her. But Jane was saying, like being there was like a whole different experience for her because it's like the way that they regarded women at that time was just completely different. And they always had respect for Gilda. I think they knew Gilda was a legend and there was no way that they could fight it. So they're like, I guess we'll just let her join. Yeah, it's just the most adorable, Like you just love God's Yeah, just you fall There's

very few people that you fall in love. Everyone falls in love with them when you meet them, and she has. She carried the light, that's for sure. Yeah, she's definitely had that energy. So do you have a favorite cast member? Now? Um, oh my god, I mean my Rudolph, I mean the current I mean Milla Shannon. I think Maya is. Maya is one of the funniest motherfuckers. She's iconic. Yeah, she's she's the best. She's the best. I was thinking. I was thinking the current cast and I am. So there's

something about Cecily Strong. Oh, I love her. I have a crush on her. I tried to buy her drinks because I would go to the afterparties with Fenris all the time. I still go, but and then every time I'm like, I'm gonna buy sexually strong drink and then I go and I just run away. I run away, just do it. Yeah, And she's like she she's the cool It's crazy. I'm just like, oh, you're incredible. Like I just like, I just see her do Janine Pierrot

and was like, she's so good. They're so funny, she's so good, Like her impressions are so underrated good, and like her original characters are so underrated good. And she I think she like. What I love about her is it's like like sketch. I love sketch comedy, but sometimes sketch comedy can feel like performance, and sometimes it feels like acting. And I think Cecily is always acting. Yes, you know what you don't want to have a conversation

with at a party. It's characters. Ever, And I'm so god when she did weaken up that, I was so excited, but then then the switch, but also Heidie guard HER's really she's got chops. Yeah, I really love her. I went to JFL with her and we were we were both and then like um, hearing that she had gotten it, I was like, oh my god, it makes perfect sense. Was her audition Like she was she was great. I mean, like we we all got to know each other. And the thing is, like the thing about Heidia is it's

the same thing as I just said with Cely. She's acting so it explodes on the screen. It really does every boxer's girlfriend. And she really she did that, and I remember like cracking up at that character. And she also did her like Kristin Shawl. Oh my god. But I was like, and she's also the kindest person. Fucking got everybody. She like had saran wrapped small individual plates full of cookies and things that she baked before Christmas, left it everyone's doors. And I was like, and she

she bought me. We have this love of gummies and she like bought me this huge box of like artisanal gumming. The nicest person in the world and like every good thing. All the cash members are like like good, call me like they're good. Yeah, they're all good. Yeah. And she has a really nice family, really nice husband. I've met with her, like brothers came up. They were all so nice, like, yeah, she's the best, She's the best anyway, um snl. I feel like, is there is there like any sort of well,

I guess, like favorite favorite sketch of all time. I mean it's hard. I was like trying to like, I have to say this, so I was. I've also been obsessed with this since I was very young, which is why this is all such a gag to me. Um, this is the way things have worked out. Um Like, So I used to go when I was in college. I used to camp out on the stand. I did this every week instead of trying to make friends. I got in like five times. There's the couple. Do you

know that couples in Jamie Dude? They're the front of every line every show. When do you need to get there to be the first thing? Wednesday? I would be there Friday at eleven am. The first time I ever went was it was um, I went and I had no It was James Franco. And the second time, no, it was James Franco and Kings of Leon and I kid you not. I sat next to Emmistone and this was what Emmistone. All she had done was super bad,

super bad. It was pre easy A. So it was Emmistone sitting next to her, sitting next to her boyfriend at the time, who's now transitioned, Teddy Geiger. So this was years ago. So now Teddy Geiger has transitioned and she she now is like a songwriter shrits with um Shawn Mendez and they have a lot of success together. She was She's nominated for a Grammy with him, like

very well. But this was at this time, like I sat literally next to them and it was James Franco and kings Of and I was so in shock the whole time that I didn't get to enjoy it. I went the next week it was Anne Hathaway and The Killers. Oh my god. And this was the very first time

that Kristen Wigg did the Lawrence Welk Show. It was one of the best moments of my life watching that live in the student Want I watched it live with those little tiny hands and Fred Armison playing Lawrence Welk and like the four of them, Casey Wilson, Amy Poehler who was once pregnant right, Kirsten Wigg doing that character, and Hathaway being such an amazing life performer, like it was just so good and I was remember I left and I was like, there's something so magical confirmed about

this place, and I was just anys. Yeah, Amy and Tina Weakened Update is probably like favorite sketches anytime Amy and Tina we I was, for whatever reason, my favorite jo we can It was Amy and Tina for whatever reason. I mean if they just are the best. Love. I love Weekend Update now, but you know I love he was my favorite Weekend Update. I think he's so funny. Yeah, I normally normous like an interesting cat like he is. He is very like you're on boarding, and his stand

up is actually quite good. Like if you watch specials. Most of the specials you see these these are like pretty bad. But like Norman, Norm still got it even though he's gone. He's like super religious and I knew it was conservativeah, Like, well, I mean my friend Harrison Greenbaum was on, well America's got Talent, I guess it was. And uh or no that so Norm was on when he was on Last Comic Standing, I guess it wasn't

he did. He has some joke that it compares the Bible to Harry Potter, and Norm was offended by it comments and I was like, oh right, you lost your edge who you are now? Yeah. Also I have to say, because they're my boss, is Colin chose to Michael Jay

They're actually incredible to you. Yeah, they're amazing. And I loved watching Michael find his voice and like his can stand up when he's at the desk, right, Sony so funny and each other well, and like Colin like I'm going to go to bat like just the nicest guy, the nicest dude, and so is like ja like like cha just loves to function up on the internet and like that's like that, but like but like in person, you're just like, oh, like he's very just like a

nice guy and like it's like you just have to like, I don't know, he just he just likes to Like I like that. I appreciate that he's all troublemaker m him. Do you have a favorite sketch of all time? I was going to say, and this is so this sounds a little basic, but I think first it was like first it was like all the Donna tells stuff with Maria growing up. I was like, I'm responding to something about this. I didn't really know like what it like

that I was gay or anything. But I was like, there's something there's something fun about like her being surrounded by these shirtless buffer and her like screaming at children on Halloween, like so funny, like like halle Berry coming in his Naomi Campbell. I was like, yeah, this is fun. Yeah, I love that like that and then like and then truly this is but this is the basic thing. Like Debbie Downer. I was like, I love it when that one's so good. I guess I would like get more

people and consistently call me Debbie Downer after that. But you know it's fine. Just get that you have feline aids. Oh my god, so look at that costume. He's probably in the early stag. Honestly, I love when they break. I love I like whenever anyone gets mad at me found for breaking, I'm like, you gotta stop thinking it so serious. When I was for get like his audition was fucking amazing. Is a really good impression because it wasn't the only one ever who never broke, like Chris

Parnell was famous for like never fucking breaking. Didn't break, Yeah, yeah, broke.

I managed to like, I'm so obsessed with SNL that I like my first year in New York when I went to into like I moved here to intern I didn't do it three years later, but I snuck myself into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction after party and I met a cast member and we made out and then we like fun for five years on and all, Oh my god, you wait, was this the celebrity that Yeah, okay, we didn't talk about this, but we will talk off about And you guys didn't didn't

get you compare notes about your celebrity? Oh no, we will. But I like I like, no, I'm like friends with a lot of like I'm friends like Horatio Sands. I met him on the street and I tweeted at him and they were like really good friends. Um, I don't know. I've just managed to like envelope myself in this fucking SNL. It's yeah, I love it so much. Um wait, we have to ask you about Okay, come on, let's do

a little exploratory thing with with with the book. What was that process like for you guys to adapt the because we actually are we actually have an idea for one? Yeah, well, we had an outline that we all agreed upon, and then we sold the book. But we got an offer from a public from HarperCollins based on this outline, and then we went to go write it, and then we separately abandoned the outline, did not tell the other person, and happened to write things that really complimented each other.

Oh my god. Perfect. I focused a lot on like sexual acts and experiences, and then she focused on self confidence because I would recommend, I mean, like you can. I think they wanted us to write it in unison, but I don't understand how you can share a voice when your voices are like you're not the same person. We have experienced that too when we when we have been assigned things for Vulture together, It's it's hard, it's very difficult. You just have to agree, and then that,

to me, that waters down everything. But I mean, like this has been going on for years, because we got book deals like a couple of like first like years and years ago from the originally like the first one was from a guy who did like some of Chelsea Handler's first books, but they want it's something really salacious like my Sideways life, and like I love that, and I read that, I love Chelsea's books, but that's not

what we're doing. We're doing something different. And also like that's already been done, Chelsea did it, so we got to do something new. UM. And so that was and we sat for a couple of years, and then there was a woman who was kind of after us for a while who ended up being who ended up getting going up and up in publishing and who we ultimately worked with. So she had kind of been following us since she was a young woman in the publishing industry. UM,

and then she was a mastermind. And then when we wrote the Yeah, when we wrote the pitch for it, UM, there was a bunch of people like they did a bidding war, and then we just ended up going with Hillary's company because well, I mean they did offer us the most money, but also they it's harper One. They cared.

She was like, Okay, we're gonna have avatage for you guys, and you'll have like every time it's a chapter that you got one of you rights, you'll have your like cartoon avatar at the top, and no one ever gets use you could tell whose voice it is anyway, but there's just yeah, it's really um, it's easy it's an easy read, but it's like she really helped make it, structure it first of all, because we just like handed her paragraph about it we wanted to talk about and

she put the puzzle together. That's so thoughtful of her to like work, think think of a system. That really great. She's fucking great at her job. Yeah, that's awesome. How long did it take for you guys to write it? Like six months? But I only was created from the hours of three am to five am. Was a real bit. It sucked up my sleep for the rest of my life.

I mean, my sleep has never been the same since I wrote the book, really because it sucked it up because I'm a night Yeah, it's hard to write in the day, you because you know, I like need to write in silence, like when the whole like still I wrote my half and honestly it was like five days. I'm not I just like I just most of my process is procrastinating and then when it hits me, I

got it. So many people are and I'm just like wondering if that it's I love it so much, I'm like, what is like, like, despite all of our best intentions, Like it feels like there's no better way, Like, it's how it works, I think. I think what works for me, what works for me anyway, is like I have to really develop in my own brain what it is that I want to say, because it has to be good, almost good enough to be put up on paper. I don't like writing something and being like I don't like this,

I want to erase all of it. I get to know and love my idea in my head, and then I really know what it is by the time I put it out. So it almost is like that procrastination truly is part of the creative process because your wheels are spending and you're allowing yourself to develop it. It's just not on the page. So whenever, whenever anyone is struggling writing and they're they're struggling getting something down, I'm like, you know, being a creative person is not about necessarily

putting words down on the paper. You and you can't always tell yourself like I'm gonna write today between the hours of three and four pm. It doesn't work like that. Works like that anyway for me anyway. But it's weird because when you think I always think of the people who worked at Motown Records, because literally they would go into their office and like nine am and say today, we need to write a hit by five pm. And

they would write a hit by five pm. So it's like, I think you can force yourself to do it if you need to. Have you seen the beautiful Carol King musical, because this is literally about Oh no, I haven't seen that. Okay, it's very good and I just saw it and literally

what you just said. So Carol King and um Jerry Goffin, who was her husband and creative partner, they worked at a place like that and it was like I think it was, UM, I don't know the exact label, but they literally would sit and the boss would come in and say, we need a hit song for the Sherrell's by the end of the week, and it needs to be a girl song or a guy song or this and with this energy uptown or a ballot or this,

and they say got it. And like the writing duos in the h at the label would kind of compete and they would all perform the song at the end of the week and then he'd be like, it's that one and maybe that song could go for this other artist. But I loved that musical because it's really about the creative process and then like collaborative. I can't recommend it enough. And Jesse Mueller's sister Abby Mueller was in it, and so jesse Mueller was the actress who won the Tony

for playing Carol King. I saw her sister who gave Carol, who was Carol. It's pretty cool that they're in the same family and they played the same part super well. But it's exactly what you're saying, like this thing of like, Hi, it's your job to be creative before or five pm. Yeah. Yeah, and and it's only they were putting out bad stuff. It was great stuff and stands the test of time. Well, yeah, when the pressures applied, you could do it. They they

talked about that. I didn't realize that she wrote, well you still love me tomorrow, but I was like, it's amazing that someone even wrote this. This is such a beautiful song. Or you've got a friend. I'm like, you've got a friend, natural woman. Yeah. I think maybe sometimes it's like you're way like I always am waiting for the idea, and when it's the idea, I know that and it clicks. But I think perhaps you can wait for the idea. But if you don't get the idea,

there are other ideas that are good. So maybe those are those songs. And then like the idea is like your yeah, yes, the thing that will always define you. Yeah. Sure, I just yeah, I don't know. I've been like going through this weird dry spell for the last like, well, this is a question I actually have. So you guys right on Tuesday nights and then all night, right, and that's like that's an all nighter, but like it kind of has to happen on Tuesday night, right, because you

have to do the read through right and then dress. Yeah, you're not writing new ship later in the week. So what I'm saying is like if you have a bad day on Tuesday, that kind of like sucks. Yeah, and it's like a weird dry on Tuesday, dry on Tuesday, and it's just like well that like sort of sets the tone for the rest of your week in a way.

But I mean, but the but like the thing about us, like like like at first time, it was like I went in there being like, oh, it's interesting that like people don't I mean, sometimes people do just come in with an idea that they've had boiling for like months and months, and that's an idea that they've really thought through for a long time. But like a lot of it is just about whatever the alchemy is of the time and the place and the people in one room

like sitting together and just riffing. And I'm just like, oh yeah, it's just like first, it's like everyone has a different process. Some people don't have any like Anna dressin like I'll just say like she like writes in this way that where she's like, I don't I truly

don't have a process. It's just like very playful, experimental, Like Aight and Kate will just come into our office and they'll rift together, and like Anna's just just has her notes app open on her computer and just types out little sentences and little sounds and then she like synthesizes it all together on final draft and the like,

and then like it's she just makes it work. And I'm just like, okay, that is it seems like a straightforward process, but there's so many like depending on what you're writing it, there's so many different moving pieces and it's like a crazy mental three D chest thing. It's like you have to figure out what it's going to work for you in that environment, riffing is the best, Like,

that's God, that's that's the best way to write. I think I would think, well, now I'm learning like I have to do it out loud, just in terms of screenplay or in terms of dialogue. It has to be I have to be the only way I can write without making it sound so robotic and crazy and unrealistic is to speak it out. To speak it out because you have to think, would someone say this? Someone say this? What? This? Is this easy to say? Is it phonetically easy for

someone to say crazy? Which but it's like something you have to think about. I don't know. Yeah, um, but that's process, y'all. That's process. Um Um. I think it's time to move on to I don't think so. It's so this is our segment that we do and you fucking slay show, and I understand your friend is animating it. Yes he is. Stuff shout out. I'm very excited. I was very proud of that. I actually wrote that on the way to the venue because I have that doesnt

million different? And I was like, no, I'm gonna do because I want to do a bit on tampon commercial for a while so yeah, and I was like, and I wrote it like backstage, and I was like, they're easy to write in that short time though, too. Yeah, when you applied pressure, I'm like, man, I've been trying to write a new joke for a really long time, and I'm like, I wrote that fucking backstage, and then

you got to apply the pressure. And like, one form of pressure in that is that it's it's sixty seconds, like I can't make it that much longer. I love that just it forces you to beat it out in a quick, efficient way. Put this on your schedule right now, current Fisher for you have to do the Brooklyn Bellhouse show right here. I feel like I don't want to get the thing is I will you? Also, um, we are going on tour. Um Last Culture is on tour.

I don't think so, Honey, we're coming to Portland, Seattle, Vancouver. Are you not in town? I mean we're in India, Annapolis, we are, Yeah, Well we'll figure this out. I'll figure it out. San Francisco, Vancouver, Uh, Philly, Boston, d C, Houston, Dallas and Austin and Brooklyn. Baby, And so you can get tickets online. They're on sale now. Crazily enough, the San Francisco date is on the night of the Oscars.

We will figure it will make it work. You guys just gonna watch the Oscars with the audience just happened, but really signed theater of the Oscars. Yeah, I think it might be bad and do a lot of do like, I don't think so honey. Is as the night is going, Yeah, we just have to talk because the Oscars start at five. Our show starts at motherfucker can you can watch? So honestly, we could, we could do. I don't think so honey about the Oscars because they just happened. Hell yeah, um

should I go first? You should go first? Okay, So this is I don't this is okay, this is Matt Rodgers, and I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. That thing when you're scrolling through people's pictures and then all of a sudden they're on a very high structure, I fucking freak out, Like, okay, so when you when it's the angle and it's like the thing of like, look, how look on this really tall thing? I'm literally lurch in my chair because I

feel like I'm on the high structure. Something I've developed which I don't think so honey about, is I'm extremely afraid of heights now, all of a sudden, like and literally it's so intense that I'll be scrolling through photos on someone's Instagram, which I often do, and I will literally be so uncomfortable when I see someone on top

of a building. Don't take these photos. And if you are going to put these photos on Instagram, there has to be like a photo beforehand that says the next picture is one of those scary photos where I'm on a trigger warning because I am triggered by tall things. Literally. We we sat down with someone the other day and like he said, look actually on the top of a building and I looked over and I almost died. I always feel like I could fall. And that's one minute.

I wait, I'm sorry, who is this person that we when we were at the departure you when we did the interview, and we don't I didn't look over the rail. You look the We looked, Oh yeah, you can't like the seventh floor, dude, it's actually real culture number. You can't look over the railing because you'll be afraid. Literally, these photos like on Facebook. I'll be swelling through someone's pictures and I'll see one and it's as if I'm

falling a thousand feet. I don't know. I like have like a weird like I I went to the World Trades in our observatory deck and I couldn't go near that. I couldn't go near the glass. The elvry right out of pank attack. It's insane. Yeah. No, I don't like heights, and weirdly, when I discovered it didn't like heights. After I was went skydiving, I didn't. I was I didn't care about heights. And then I hit eighteen years old and my friends like, we're gonna go skydiving. We went.

It was the most horrowing experience of my life. It did not go well. You regret it. I don't regret it because now I could say I did it and it's a good story. It didn't go because I didn't eat that day and my stomach was very empty and I got anxious and literally the free fall was fine, but I the ten minute flowed down. Yeah, they don't

tell you that. You think that. You think the scary thing is going to be the free fall, but the scary part is like after they pulled the thing, you float down ten feet so and that takes like like three feet, but it takes like ten minutes, and so you're floating and that's when it gets fucking crazy. And I had just been through this intense experience of free falling through the air actually in fact, and I had nothing in my stomach, but I was throwing up into

my shirt and of course it was tandem. So the guys on my back like, okay, this guy who I made up his name is Trask because I forgot his name. Looked like a trask spiky hair. It was so humiliating. But since that experience, I have here fights Hey, alright, this is honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The stylist on this photo shoot, who making you? Who put me in this? I'm who put me in this? Im makeup? He was okay, the theme is superheroes and

I was like, okay, I was not told this. Fine, um puts me with these two Japanese makeup artists who were so sweet, who did Spiderman eyes on me? And Rehaye specifically puts a Spiderman eyes on me? I was like, okay, fine, I guess we're going with this, and then comes over and says, wow, I love this very Pokemon, Pikachu, Pikachu. And I was like that and all three of us, all three of us, all of me. Then the makeup artists just like give each other a look. You guys

all went no, We're like, what the fuck? And then he walks away, and then one of them goes, he's just he just said that because it's Asian, and I was like, yeah, even she understood that to be what it was someone who like culturally like maybe didn't understand what might have just happened her. She got it. And then he comes back and it's like, wow, Pikachu, Pikachu. And then at that point I was like, no, I don't know, that's not it, and that I was getting

fitted at that time and I heard it. I heard him, and he would stop it and he said he said it's several times, and like you can tell you guys were also uncomfortable, and I was just like, that's by the end, he doesn't he didn't get it. At the end, I got aggressive. I was like no, yeah, I was like it was funny, see like him and Karim but head like they were like but he kept saying dumb

ship to her. No, we didn't butt heads. I just I was just I was just uh like I was trying not to cry because I was so excited for that photo shoot and like I look so great. I like, I this was the first photo shoot I've done since I was like really sick last year, and like I'm like so fit now, and I was like like, we're gonna get great photos, amazing and thin. My manager was like, oh, we're doing suits. So I'm like I'm like walking in. I'm like, oh, it's gonna be like some like Louis Vauton,

like amazing lies. And then they another he has an Asian thing going on, so he gave me this. He gave me this Asian inspired uh like sarg chepper jacket and I looked like a chic suh chef. And then he kept saying, oh, you look like a little China doll, and I go, well, I hope I don't since someone Italian June. But also like what like, oh my god, because I'm like I was your nation. I swear to God if you did something weird to my eyes, that's gonna make the New York Post write an article about me.

I'm gonna fucking leave, and he kept saying it to me. And it was so big. I mean I looked like like I looked like a child playing a sush chef. It was the Jackett was so big. No, I didn't. The thing was we were friends with um, one of the people on set, and he's so amazing, and we were so really so thankful for the opportunity. And this is not me like that guy, and so I you know, I am always ready to make a stink and and stand up for myself, but this was just one where

I was like, I have your battle. Yeah. And also I get Departures magazine and I always throw it directly in the trash. Anyway, I'm sorry, recycling, recycling. I'm sure that the photos of beauty, the photos of great I was so I'm sure they did. It was such a

lovely experience. It was just like you guys, probably Paul, if you're listening, like we got we got along great by the end, like we hit it off, but like that moment, that moment was that moment was was bad and you gotta learn from that, okay, And we love you in. There's room for there's room for growth. I believe that. So that's what I'm coming from. You're gonna wear her clothes next time we all do with photos there. I didn't necessarily get the concept because he was putting

you on like a half stupid hero thing. And then I was looking like, you look I look like James Bond. You looked you looked like Bond. You guys, I saw somebody showing me like a little like proof of your photos. You guys are great. I just I was. I was happy green wick. That green wig was just that the hair guy was being a goof and he just like I was being like the one of the makeup parts was taking me out of my makeup and then he just comes over puts this green wig on me for

no reason and starts styling it. I was like, okay, great, I was like I was on board with that board. Wait. Basically, the other thing that I loved that happened was Bone is sitting in the makeup chair and he gets asked like about the Golden globes and he and like he was like Bohemian rapsody one, and everyone around him was like, we loved Bohemian Ray, what are you talking? And I was like, and then I know it's bad. He was he was trying, Well you really weren't you kind of

were backing down? Was I find because it was like a group of people being like we loved it, and I was like we have to protect our friends with taste. Like like I was like, no bo and like it was bad. Like I was like ready to go over there and be like this wasn't a good movie. Wow, thank you for calling me out? Um, I see yall? Okay, okay, wait, so wait, I've never done this before, so basically you have to know what you want to do. But no, but it doesn't have to be something you guys did,

like more current stuff. I did one on balloons, once I did one on I don't want a sign about cardboard, like it's about anything. Okay, yeah, all right, this is Korean Fisher's I don't think, so honey and her time starts now. Okay, So people who taste ice cream ice

cream pilors, I don't think. I don't. I mean, I don't know where you go up in, and I don't I don't want to shine my privilege on you, but I feel like at some time, no matter how badly your life is going, that you've had ice cream, Someone's offered it to you, someone's giving you a spoonful. You can get those little black and white cups like for a dollar that you eat with the thing that looks

like a tonsil checker from a doctor's office. So like, if you if you're living a life where you can't take a chance on an ice cream, how like I've never seen an ice cream flavor so wacky. But I was like, I need to put this in my mouth before I dedicate five dollars to putting it in my life forever, Like like, you need to take a risk at some point and your fucking life otherwise you're not

going to achieve anything. So you can't the most expensive ice cream I've ever seen it like a diver and that's eight dollars and that's the top of the notch. So just like, do you not need to eat ice cream without fear? And then I just and what's I don't know? You just go, uh so I don't think so, honey, I was like, should I summarize it perfect? I don't think so. But yours stunning that you grys was stunning. I mean, look, I agree with you. It also really

holds up. Get does some taste tested chocolate once and I'm like, oh wow, you know what I do always taste test because I'm a I'm a sicko who likes cotton candy ice cream but not but not, but not every cotton candy ice cream is the same, and I just I always do taste test that some of them have more syrup instead of them have a lot. Some of them are very con canny and some of them are not as And also strawberry can be often different

in a lot of different places. I've really felt very kind of jaded in my experiences with some strawberry and I am a strawberry bitch. You've been burned. I've been burned more fake ones. But sometimes people really try to force it on me, like like their flavor is so fucking edgy that I can't handle it. And I just have said to them and said that I don't do that. Don't do that. What's your ice cream? I mean, my my, I like cookies and cream a lot, mint, chocolate chip,

pumpkin when it's seasonal is legit? What about you ice cream? Um? I like double fudge brownie. You guys are you guys are nice baked goods? What do you like? We don't go. I'm a I'm a strawberry bed. I remember this when you're both water science, water science. Strawberry milk chicken onion rings is like one of my favorite like diner combos, the Wendy's frosty and French fries. Oh my god, the Wendy is chocolate frost is not a joke. Not a joke.

There is this movement movement right now to bring back Vonetta's. Do you guys remember via Yeah, fancy little little loaves and then remember the commercials. The commercials were like they would like cut a piece of Yanetta and put it into it like a Martini coop or Martini glass, and the people with like beautiful nails would like like go at it, like give it to me. Do you guys remember that? It's like a visual SMR. It is, but it's a very nineties at anyway. Singles, I think we're

supposed to. I think we should like raise our voices and like bring that back is voices and me all right, um, this is Christina Hudginson's I don't think so, honey, you're ready. Oh my god, she's so poised you you didn't experience it live it was, and then she released the cry love to a little No, I love it. This is Christina Hutchinson's I don't think so, honey, Our time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The stats on my Instagram stories. I am a slave to these stats on my Instagram stories.

Sometimes I only post an Instagram story just to see if the person I'm sucking or one to watch it. And then sometimes if I'm sucking two people, Like I had two boyfriends for a couple of months, and then they were all like they would Yeah, they were right on top of each other, the first one of the second one. And then I would keep and then I would Then I would find myself posting content just so

that the people I would would watch it. And then one time Jona Hill message me because I comment one of his Instagram stories and then he but I checked my stats and then he watched all my Instagram stories, and then I felt really self conscious. I was like, I really gotta step on my filty seconds, like my

filming and my directing games. So and then I thought I started like just venturing into this weird like avant garde filming thing where I would just put play Alie in one the soundtrack of the background, and just film my lights all because I wanted to impressure on a hill, because I wanted so every time I post something, it's just there's so much anxiety and I'm just I'm a slave to the stats. Second I would posted, I'm just I'm wasting all of my time looking at who was

looking at it. And then sometimes it's like I think the hot guy looked at it, and then I forget, so I would go back and then his name is nowhere to be found. But I swear I saw it, And what is It's it's Zuckerberg fucking with us. It's I think it's a glitch where it's like it knows that you like arcaded into this one. Yes, yes, And they disappear and you scroll and you scroll and you're like they, I swear they saw it, and I wanted to see it again. It's like I know that they

saw this, yeah, and you're telling me they did. Where's the priority? Why, what's the what's the what's why do you order them? I googled this, and no one actually knows but the theory, the prevailing theory is it's people who visit your page, your account the most, like your stalkers quote unquote are like it at the top of your Instagrams. That's what I'm hoping for, the people. And it's a mix. It's like, yes, Instagram is showing you

the people that used something. When Jonah Hill looked at it, he was at the top, he was the top, but he doesn't look he's not. We're friends, held just engage with you, just MG to Instagram. It's like, well, this is a big celebrity talking to another celebrity, and so we're going to do this, this, this, this, this, I think that do you follow? Do you follow him? Yeah?

I follow him? A comic because I also, like, I noticed, like the first five people are always people I follow, and then it's a bunch of people who I don't even know who they are. Don't show me those I don't care. But the craziest thing of Instagram that it's fucked up and you had you had to call this out to me, where it's like people I didn't know existed five seconds ago, all of a sudden, I'm furious

that they don't follow me. Like especially there's there's I literally there's two comics who don't follow me, and in the whole world. It's just like, I just care so much that to comics in particular, do not like their photos, like just like liking Sprain, and they'll fallow, you know, because I'm a fucking petty bitch and I appreciate that I do follow them, but I don't like their ship. You can also follow them and re follow them. That's like how I give people a second chance. I'll be like, oh,

you must not have noticed that I followed hotly. That that's something that I might try. Yeah, well, it's embarrassing when you unfollow somebody because they broke up with you, But then you get back together and you fall him again, and you like embarrassing you try to follow them back like three am, and then they text you like, mo, we're back on Instagram, friend train, buddy, fun off. You

don't miss that damned thing. There you go, that doesn't count. No, this is this is insane and and it's fun when all your crushes are clumped together. Oh my god, it's crazy. But then he always puts ideas in my head because like people I never thought of like keep looking at and I'm like, does this person have a crush on And then I'm like, oh my god, this person is

u s with me? Well. The thing is too that can be extremely misleading because I was I had, I had, I had a crush for a long time this year, and this person was always the very first person to watch all my stories and always number one, and still to this day, even though I'm not, I don't really have a crush on them at all anymore. Um Like, they still will pop up first, first, first, first of all the time, and I'm like Instagram, I just want to like literally sit down with this and be like, hey,

gro I'm good, We're fine. Where who knows? Like sometimes I'll watch people's stories and I'm not really paying attention, so who knows what they were doing on the other side of that phone? You know what i mean. I'm thinking, like their in love with me, they keep watching it, but then they could have just been in the grocery store. Happened to even looking at it. It's just it's just it's just their social media habits like that that allow

them the same people are always popping up in your story. Yeah, I do wish you can just tell Instagram like, hey, um, we're not but this isn't a thing anymore. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna look into it. We're gonna look into it. Yeah, they should do like an Instagram like my Space, top ten, top twenty like that you want to feature. I feel like I'm missing a lot of people. You know, I follow like two thousand people.

I only see like I know, and the timeline isn't like by time, it's just it's you'll see a post that that was like three days old. You're why you show me the ship. And if you start following someone and you'll get like a bunch of their I'm like, okay, I didn't need history up. It's like December. Why am I seeing Christmas Eve photos? Yeah? It's anyway. Um, oh my god, what a fucking episode. I love this amazing

cultural touchstones. I think we covered everything. We covered sex, anal culture, anal sex culture, an we covered sex culture and books and books. I was gonna say, like like hair, body face, sex culture, an I love that, love that, and also how to be creative. How to be creative. We talked about process, We talked about state and process. That's title about share process. I thought, I thought, see me slammers correct. I wished santom hole, phantom hole, phansom hole.

Write that down, Hpe, we need to start using slammer. I was so on board for that. It was good. Okay, we have to say no slamming culture number eighteen, no slamming going forward. And yeah, I listen to the guys we podcast to Less Only Girls with rosebud Baker. That's um, you guys are truly fucking awesome. We love you so us and we didn't get to get into this. But wait, wait maybe a quick So when I told no, I can't.

So when I told that story, when I told the story about that guy that I did that when I was nineteen to him, girl, I think about guys, we fucked. Many thousands of people listened to it. So that got back to him and he was not happy. And I wasn't call him out, and I was like, you know what, I mentioned my name, did not mention him. I did not mention anything my name, but I kind of like it happened to you, was your story too? And you

know what? Then I talked to my friend about it and they were like, he's literally yelling you for having a bad experience at his hand. And I also just like and I was like, okay, yes, but it was weird because I was like we were talking before about like we didn't want to talk get too personal on the pod because we've learned some lessons about doing that. But that was crazy because I like that's I left that being like, Okay, I have to watch what I

say now. But I was like, no, something I went through and opened up a good conversation about those kinds of relationship. Yeah, And I think my role is always like I don't want to tell somebody else's story, but if I will, Like I went to a sex club with this guy that we did an know with last night, and I wanted to talk about it, but I didn't want to tell his side more things that happened with him.

I just wanted to talk about things that happened to me because because I didn't want him to get upset. And it was perfect because he did. He does listen, which is whatever, but um, but yeah, and it's super stuff like that you guys get into. Yeah, but that's neat. That's like a neat good tidy idea, like a rule of like just talking about your experience in the nut sense. So you mean like he was trying to control a story that was that about control, like people never change.

It was it was pretty crazy. I was kind of like, oh, so this just goes to show the fact that, like I shared a story that was like and this thing looking back kind of was sucked up and the instinct wasn't to be like, hey, I'm sorry. Yeah. I was like, okay, well sure, I mean whatever, but you can't we finished. We end every episode with a song thank you Christina for being here. I wanna and the tour. You can't always get what you want, and if you try, sometime,

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