"Lights In The Dark" (w/ Beth Newell and Sarah Pappalardo)

over the last month and a half. Baby, but we have figured it out. We are currently living in a space that is our own, and it feels good. It feels good. Matt's had a rougher month than I have for sure, just you know, yeah, I just put up like such a stupid, frivolous thing. But guys, so it was not frivolous. It was very good. It was called Findings. Yes, Matt was had a star turn as the villain. Um that was a spoiler right there again. Well, guys, this

is our first episode back. Since the world has fundamentally changed, since democracy has had its last nail in its coffin so I mean, here we are. We're just gonna keep talking about culture. Um, bringing it to you every ball, bring it to every ball. Have you found a way to see any light in the days? Um? Yeah? This podcast called Making Oprah. It's only three episodes long, it's already technically finished, but it's it's it's about it's the

Wbezy Chicago. It's about how Oprah was like has evolved through the years. It's excellent. I highly recommend it to everybody that's been my only light? What about you? Well, you know what I realized would be the light, but it's been missing and you know what ended just right in the wrong time because we need it most right now? Is really can you imagine at least we would have that every week? Absolutely? What poor planning. But guys, we have to ights with us lights and the lights in

the darkness. Um they are um, oh my gosh, they're just such fantastic people. Um. There are the founders and editors of the women's satirical news magazine Reductress. Yes, Reductress is amazing. You may have listened to their podcast Mouth Time with Nicole Silverberg and yes yes, And also you may know about the show ha ho Wow, hosted by Nicole Silverberg, are a good friend. Former guests also under the Reductress in Brella and also you may you read, oh,

you may have read the book. You may have picked it up at your Barnes and Noble, you may have shot for it online. It's called how do We Win That Feminism? Guys? Get it today. It's such a fantastic book. Guys, please welcome Sarah paper Lardadle. The best intro I've ever heard. We got it's a little Nicole Silverberg heavy, too much, too much? You guys. You two have been like legit podcasts with this, like with this like publicity tour for the book and for the for the show in the

pod mostly the book. No, right, but like this is thank you so much for gracing us with your presence on this like very lowly but soon to be seminal podcast. I mean, like just let's just know that, like the phrase legit podcast means nothing to our mother's. Nothing to our mother's The treatment you have given us so far has been above and beyond. Can we stay here forever? Most of our press tour, yes, I mean there's water in front of them. How was the press tour. It's

it's good. It's so busy. It's good. No, like the busy part has has subsided. But we were just bouncing around a couple of cities and like, you know, talking to some youths. Yeah, we processing our emotions around the election. And we're processing them like at the youth, processing at the youth and youth's and proselytizing the youth, eat them,

indoctrinating them. Yeah, giving our our liberal agenda exactly. But then it's so confusing to because then you're there at these events and you're you're talking and that you're kind of up there with them mic and they listened to you, and you're supposed to say like the thing that's supposed to feel good, and we're all still processing it. No one knows what to say or how to feel right now. So that's gotta be very weird. I felt like such

a freaking old woman. So we flew to l A the day after the election, and it was just so we were like it was like as if someone broke up with you and then you were like in your pajamas and had to go to the airport to like see your family or something, and you're just like I met sorry at the airport and we were just like yeah, so like all right, we're gonna we're gonna figure this out.

And the next day we like go to a college and talk to some like adorable feminist group that have just gotten back from a protest, and we had like a PowerPoint presentation. We just didn't do it, and we're like what, I don't know. I was just like, well, what do we do during the Bush administration? Like we were good at this, Like we know how to do this, and we just have to do it again. And these kids have no idea how to do it yet. But they're in a freaking ride. I mean, to strap yourselves

in the world. But like I think that the act of you being there and just like being sort of on display for these people is just a very good thing in and of itself. I don't know, showing up is like better. Hopefully if we didn't show up, like

you know, chaos wouldn't sue. But like really though, like I mean all of us, Yeah, you go on the website and you're like thank fucking God, like I was on it today and you guys are all the Leon Dudham stuff, Like wait, wait, no, we have to do And I'm like, yeah, anying, She's so great and truly

like that is insane. But yet again, and actually I meant to talk to you guys about this one because like I worked with her on like this little digital short, and she actually reminds me so much of like that friend you have that like sometimes says that thing and you roll your riz and you're like, oh my god, Like she knows better than that. I'm sorry you apologize for her. But yet she's the most quoted person ever and she still just keeps going. So it's like she

must know that. Do you think she knows? I don't think she knows. I don't think she's aware. We were talking about in the oppos Todaana think like there's a level of like there's something a little bit off, Like I don't know if it's narcissism or whatever, but it's like it's almost like the type of attitude someone needs to have to break through to her level of success as the woman she is, and so it's like it's what fuels her, but it's also what makes you constantly

be like what are you doing? Yeah, like, oh my god. Not to bring nicol in back into this. But Nicole, I think on her episode when she was on this pod, we talked, well, we talked about that and we talked about yeah, that was after the Amy Schumer and we were like the people like, no, but this is unrelated

this ism. We were talking about Lindsay Lehan and Britney Spears being good SNL hosts and how that is not unrelated to how troubled they are, Like when you exist in that gume of your own ability and intelligence and talents, like, of course I can host Essa no with no live performance experience. Of course you want to hear me say this thing when I when I asked this question, it's gonna be thought provoking. She literally broke onto the scene as the voice of her generation. Ironic as that was.

You know it's not you know she think does think that about herself and aspire for that. So well. Anyway, great Lena stuff, great Lena content. Did you see the head of the one today? It was it's my choice to wait, what is it? No, it was she used her connections and UM to get Bola, because like used her connections UM to contract the It was it's just she's talking about abortions, like it's like a fucking sum Yeah.

Study abroad. I thought that was really good. You just don't talk about abortion like it was study abroad, Like I wish I had gone to Florence. Yeah, it's weird. I was thinking, it's so weird because I've seen her write essays about like women being abused and what they're rights are within their marriages and like rape and have like you know, bearing a rapist child and how in certain states you are legally obligated to like allow visitation

rights for your rapists to your child or whatever. And so she sounds so intelligent and certain aspects, and then she said stuff like this, and you're like, wait, have you read anything about abortion, like because it's not I mean hot take. I think so. I think there are probably a lot of white celebrity men, probably a lot of what men's celebrities period, that are just as idiotic as her, you know what. They don't get asked these

questions as much. To be fair though, this was her podcast. Yeah, I mean, but that's what kind of drives me crazy that the amy she were interviews. I'm like, you guys had all the power to edit this and rethink it and put it out there and make present the most

sparkling versions of yourselves. And you still were like, this is what we're doing going There is so much power in those people that celebrities surround, that celebrities surround themselves with to just tell them they're doing the right thing. Like I recently, I was doing research on John Travolta and Kelly Preston. I'm doing a show later and I'm talking about Kelly Preston Brooklyn so like, um so, I'm just like assessing it sounded like a so I was.

You know, with Kelly, it's alternative. We're talking about celebrities that are on the b C dealist all sorts, so um no. Anyway, but I was reading about Battlefield Earth. Remember this movie with John Travolta, which is like a sci fi epic, and it was widely called one of the worst movies in the world. And they asked John Travolta about it in the aftermath and he was like, you know, I actually don't read reviews. There's a team of people around me that's hired to not tell me

this stuff. So it's like you have it right there. I mean you said it like you're not gonna get any perspective other than your own, and you're like, no, they're what, probably wasn't anyone there to tell them this shouldn't go into prisson. Yeah. I also think like a lot of celebrities are just like nerdy teens who now

have power. So like when you get Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham in a room together, they're both like, I'm in a room with Amy Schumer, I'm in a room with Lena Dunham, and so they're validating each other and they're like, I'm cool, you know what I mean. So

they're like anything that she's laughing at must be great. Yeah, but imagine like nobody telling you know, even when you're like college aged, like you make tiny furniture and people are like uh huh yes, and then you're like, funk, I'm amazing, like you don't doubt your ability, and then you just say it and it's like, well, she also exists in that weird space between like authority young person.

It was like more of a writer and comedian. So I do think sometimes she thinks she's being funny in the midst of this like intelligent point or we're listening to hear one thing, and then we hear like what she perceives as a joke coming out of her mouth, and that gets that's true, Like she was even like in the minor dealings with her I had I was,

I was picking up. I like, oh, yeah, you're a normal person who says these things, but like, unfortunately you're going to be quoted in print saying them and like you can't. That's my biggest complaint about her is that people treat her as though she's a comedian, and she seems to also believe it, and she has no comedic experience, therefore the jokes don't hold up under scrutiny. But she like acts as though like, oh, that was just a joke, and you're like, no, it's not a joke, Like that's

not how a joke works. Even with the show, Even with Girls the show, I always have thought, like I think when that show is at its best, it's being its most real, and when it tried to be this kind of broader comedy, I was like, I don't buy this. I don't think you guys are very good. Yeah, there's a lot of shows like that. I would say the same thing about certain episodes of Orange is the New black word? I'm like, are you a drama or you

a comedy? And you seem to think you're good at both, but you're just start of treading water, Like what what's your goal here? Yeah, I think that show exists best in that in that kind of area where it's like you're you're seeing the realities and like we're laughing because of the realities, but also like it's very hard to do that with that kind of show because at a certain point you've got to talk about, you know, the racial elements of all that you've got, and that's there's

nothing funny about it. Like, apparently this last season was incredibly dark. I didn't watch it, but I thought the last season was a little better because it felt like it got real. That's the thing that drives me crazy about the show is like the tone like swings back and forth so drastically that you don't really know what

to expect. And then when when you're watching a show about a women's prison and it goes super light and fluffy, you're kind of like, what are yeah, Like, are you we trying to say that it's fun to be in a women's prison because it's not. But this season did get a little darker, and I thought that was like a good thing for the show, and I will definitely watch it. I honestly heard what it was about, and

I got so anxious. I just like I get very anxious watching any television, Like my boyfriend had to watch Westworld before me so that I could, so that we could sit together and he could tell me when something violent was going to happen, because I, yeah, he's sort of like your John Travelta team is. And honestly, I watched that show mostly from the next room, like peering over a Famously, Matt Will We've mentioned this before, Matt has not seen past the first ten minutes of Stranger

Things because he was too scared. No, I can't do it. And I watched so bad because Winona, I want you so bad because I don't think it's that it's scary. All that needs to be is like the anicipation. I just want to give you a super kind of winnowa writer, and I think that's all you need because I heard that she does some amazing like borderline over acting, and that's what she's the perfect caricature of, like the crazy mother from the eighties that's sufferings and now all of us.

All the accolades are coming in right now too. She got the Screen Actors Guild nomination on the Golden Globe stuff. Do you guys follow that all that not too too much? Yeah, I think it's a very gay thing. Well, sometimes I'm more invested than others. Right now, it's like the Trump stuff, kind of Trump set. I guess we're just not into like celebrating the achievements of film over the last year.

And when it's like yeah this, I will say, there's some really really good stuff out there that is very thought provoking. Right now. Have you guys seen Arrival? It's really good. It's because it's really a movie about communication, and like that's very interesting. Now you saw it, right, do we see it together? I myself, like I think two days after the election and and it was it was It's very right. It feels very depression. Yeah. The

trailer is good. Yeah. Well, the trailer makes it seem very sci fi, like you like you think it's going to get to that point where like she's on the ship fighting an alien, but it never gets there. It's actually a really like intimate, like like hetty kind of like drama with those elements in and I thought it was fantastic and she's my favorite's great. Um, guys, let's just let's talk about and Sarah about culture that shaped you. When did you know culture you could you grow up with?

So we're talking about like television, we're talking about books, movies like what really like pushed you into being who you are and like your interests? Oh my god? Okay, So I was pretty anti anticulture until I was thirteen. Hated culture. Why that? Why was that? I don't know. I think I grew up in New Hampshire in a very just like a house with white walls and parents who are very practical. Um, and then I discovered television, which was my first so oh you know what, I

should back up? Sorry, My mother tried to introduce me to culture by putting me in a jazz choir when I was five, and I famously I was in the Sunshine Generation and I cried our our director was Penny Marshall, which is still pie? Was Penny Marshall actually Penny Marshall not. I don't know why her name was Penny Marty like she renamed herself. Sorry, this is insane. I tell you that my grandmother's name is Betty White. That's her birth name.

It's not she she married and then changed her last name, but her she was born as Betty White. That's fine, Marshall. I think it was just the generation she was. Penny Marshall is probably Penny Marshall's age now, like yeah, so it was probably just some weird freaking god but I I hated it. I think my mom had a really like cursory understanding of musical theater and wanted like the idea of me doing it was cool to her, and

I was like no. Um. And then when I got into high school, I was like, wait, I wish I was doing this, but so like I just watched a lot of comedy on TV and I became like a dumb comedy nerd and was like obsessed with strangers with

Candy and UCB and all that stuff. Um. And then I kind of like took the back door in the theater and I did like an intercity theater group, um, instead of doing like the theater program at my school because then people would like know, so I'd like run out of field hockey practice and be like, sorry, guys, I've got something to do. That would have been a good way around it. I too, was like too scared to do theater in high school because of what it would mean. Yeah, I didn't find any outlet for it.

But that's cool. But Sarah sneaking out after field hockey practice to go to to this to rehearsals or what have you. It feels like a very like teen drama. Ask, I mean totally. And then like all the romans and soon and it was just like it's a complete cliche, completely real romance. Yeah, it was great. It was great. All the things happened and it was like, it was great. The minute I got a car, I took him an

improv class. Nation shuttled off to Chicago when I was from college, and then I was just like culture, so you you, you guys are Chicago. I moved to Chicago eventually, I was. I grew up in New Hampshire slash like Boston area, yes, but I grew up in Massachusetts, so we were like but we weren't like far away from each other physically, right, but we didn't know each other. So then okay, did lots of improvm college. Yeah, because you guys met at the magnet your adultments culture culture

through into culture. So I guess like my my access point at least comedy wife. I was always like a visual art kind of nerd. But it was like very into like monae, which sounds really dumb now looking back in it. But when my when I was little, my dad would tape the SNL episodes and then play them for us. So like at a very young age, I was like very into sil and I don't know, like age twelve or whatever, I got instant messenger on a o L. My aim screen name was SNL Viewer Snagged

the original anyway, that was me. And then high school I was very into like watching you know, Comedy Central and all that. But I also was very very into BBC America, which we had for some reason. Um, I watch a lot of like British comedies and like the show called Coupling that was like it was like a British friend A right, yeah, it was like a British Friends, but like more I think like sexually open in the way the British people are, Um, yeah, stuff like that.

That's something with British television. I've always noticed like they had like queer as folk before we did, and I was always like what is this? And I was super young when that came out, so I was always like, but that was kind of I then realized as an adult was kind of just like a sex show, right, But they Yeah, the British stuff always seemed like more advanced and smarter. Have you seen Fleabag on Amazon. It's like,

so there's a storyline. I know this kind of spoilers, but there's storyline where his character is like a straight guy, but he has a friendship with a gay guy and then he's sort of is like jealous of the gay guy's boyfriend and like it is like messing with him, and then it slowly comes out that he's like he actually is like into this guy and he's like bisexual or whatever you wanna call it. But it's just like so much smarter than our television like to just like

have that happen. It's like American television would never let a straight guy turn unless they saw it happen like several times overseas as maybe can we do it? Yeah,

Like I guess they wouldn't. Especially they wouldn't let him be like bisexual, you know what I mean, Like they would maybe be like, oh, he was gay all along, but like it's it's like it's so smart to like actually portray bisexual bright well American television, I think, especially in the stuff that they borrow from or they just kind of recreate here that's done it over the season,

Like in England, it's they've never nailed the authenticity. Like I guess that a lot of people like Shameless and I guess that feels authentic, it feels real, But that was originally British show. Yeah. Um, but um, you know a lot of things I've seen that tried to like get remade over here like just flop, like for example, like Kath and Kim, Kath and Kim. Yeah, I haven't heard that. It's just an old enough reference. Yeah, I haven't seen. I saw that. I saw the pilot Molly

I got blessed, Molley Shan and Selma Blair. Oh yeah, my god, that was there. I was wondering. I was thinking, yeah with them, Um, I was thinking like the X Factor when America tried to do The X Factor and it was like so blown up and it was like Simon Cowell's big break from American is he was like it felt so fake and I was like, this is horrible. But I was like a fan of the British X Factor because it felt like they were kind of real artists. It felt like it felt like more fun and more

authentic in a real way. And I also heard that like seventy percent of British television households watched the show like it was like a national thing. It's like the Great British Breaking Show, Like it's a national treasure. It's like a national final. Were they hotter or less hot the US? The contestants of the judges, I don't know, because you know, it's all about the judges on the

X Factor, like that mixed careers over there. Nicole Sherzinger will never come back to America because she's a superstar and professional British talent show judge. Yeah yeah, so she's

never coming back. But do you know what the contestants on the American version were like stereotypically hotter and like so much more cast, whereas like the British version like launched the careers of like uh one direction and like sher Lloyd who was a thing for a little while, and Leona Lewis well, like I don't know what happened. I think they just see like some like you know, some like teen sevens and they're like, yeah them, put

them in a group, we'll figure it out. One of them will pop. You know what I liked about American I know they were like early seasons, was like they the contestants just looked like the little normies, like normal people. Kelly Clarkson, Kelly Clarkson, like I mean, like Kimberly Locke. For God's sake, it's like British baking show. If they did that in America. They were doing in America they couldn't find, but like the host they would They would

have recast the hosts immediately. They would have brought them in for auditions to give the material about how the show should run. And then they would have been like, fuck you guys, we're recasting you as like a hot little twenty one year old um, you know, and like have her parent there takes on baking. You know that's horrible. I mean, aren't they doing that? Isn't there a great American baking show? Now? I don't know that. I've actually had a blind spot here for the British breaker for

me to start. Maybe I watch it over Christmas loves it. I hate most competitive reality like it, but it makes me too hungry. Yeah, that's that's the trouble with food shows, is that to get hungry? What a world? Trump's America. I just started saying the trouble with food, which she never is. Far from my break. It's going to have

like a spirit animal person. It's her And that got me in a lot of trouble when I was like in sixth grade and I was acting like her and trying to also be like little straight boy like I would say the things that she said in school you can't do. I mean like I was saying like ducka ducka ducka like. She was semi famous for saying like awkward things. She was like the girl next door from Texas, and I would literally she inspired me to be like her. She was truly my American idol. This is what I

did in school. Um and I my god, this is a shameful admission. The Trump episode of SNL in two thousand four or five. I brought the tape. I taped it. I brought into school to show my science teacher who was a huge apprentice, and we were everyone was watching the Apprentice and Donald Trump. No no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, but not true. No. I loved Oma Rosa, who was

now in Trump's transition team and is a despicable human being. Um, but Maya Rudolph did an update like like sort of walk on character as Oma Rosa and like ship falls on her head and it's so funny. I showed it to I showed it to my science teacher and I was like, man, the Apprentice is the best show, isn't it?

And then she and I are both like yeah, and that's just a dark And do you feel like as a nerdy kid, I'm I'm sort of like projecting, but like, do you feel like you had those moments where you would bring something into school or like go above and beyond? And then later you'd be like, why was I trying so hard just just to the regular? What was that? There there one that stands out for you? I'm trying

to think, I know. I definitely gave one of my teachers in high school like a magazine I was reading because it was like I was like, oh, you'll like this article, you know, like just like step where you're like and it was like it was like my lesbian ap history teacher, and I was like, you're gonna like this. It was like about um. It was about like how they marketed cigarettes to kids or something, and she loved it. But then you look back and you're like, what was

I doing? Why? Yeah, because we kids and we want to impress adults. I love. Do you have one of those? God? Yeah? So do you guys? Remember the two poets Relaine and Rimbo. They had like a weird love affair and one of them tried to shoot the other because it was a really Yeah. So my friend, my friend Dustin and I like wrote this whole song about the like romantic age of poetry, and we made like a whole music video of these like two game and like having a like

tumultuous relationship and eventually killing each other. And I was like, really quirky. We made a whole video back before there was like I movie. And then we're like, here, class, here it is, and they're like, does not. I mean, honestly, I'm proud of it. I mean I just think it's an adult you Like you can envision the other kids in that classroom and you're like, oh, they hated me. Like ready, I wrote my social study during seventh grade.

We were studying um American history, and we were talking about the Revolution and we were talking about the Boston massacre and the trial that followed so famously it was won by the defense, so um uh. And I was John Adams and I was the defense attorney, and we basically had to just recreate the trial. It was just like like a recreation of the trial that followed the Boston massacretcy, who was that wrong? Historically? My character one?

But I came with a nine page closing argument that I did for the class, and I personally attacked people in the class for the way they had acted during the trial. I was like, Paul Revere came up here and couldn't even get through his testimony and I but it was like half historical grounds and I historically we won, Yeah, but you were like subtweeting everyone in the room. But seriously, and they and it was so long, and I lost, and they voted against me because I was was too good.

And my slof Studies teacher came up to me because he could tell I was really upset, and he was like, I just want to let you know that was a really good piece of writing and I'd love a copy of it. And I like love Paul this day because he liked that. He took that to the teacher's lounge and they giggled over him. Oh my god, that's that's pretty special. Do you have one? Well, I mean it was that everything. Um, I think it was. I got.

Really it was that. But then like as far as an academic thing goes, like in our drama class or no, it was just an English class, but we got the fuck into sonnets. I got the poetry was a whole thing. So I brought in like comical sonnets about like taking a ship and like like like farting in in a

piano lesson, like stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. I still remember a line I wrote in my one of my poems that in a writing in eighth grade, ninth grade, and it was the poem was called Venom, and the line was, I hope that you choke on one of your lies and you know what it's like to suffocate. And I wrote that down and set it out out through my class, and then my teacher missed Amiko was like, wow, there's nothing else to say. That's very passionate that we're looking for.

But I felt and that was like at the time when I was listening to like a lot of like Aril Avril Levine and like Kelly Clarkson, and so there by therefore by proxy like checking out Atlantis Morris set because that was there. Yeah, very good. I have a theory about this because I also got very into poetry when that was like what was offered in seventh grade. And I think it's just so little of our curriculum was like creativity base, and there were so few outlets

to like actually do anything creative in school. So when that came up and they were like, now you guys get to write something, we were all the little like nerdy sensitive kids were like, Okay, I want to know what I think. I have feelings over here a lot. But also they weren't your real feeling performative things that like you could maybe kind of hearing the pop songs. Yeah, oh my god, can we talk about Okay, because I wanted to ask you this question because this is a

unique position that you're in listening now. Yeah, first of all, let's let's say there is stars Bran and maybn Beth and Peter mcnerny's kids. You must follow them on Instagram because they're unbelievable. I think Brent is actually a comedic already a star, and now I feel like you are in an amazing position because we ask our guests usually what culture shaped you? But now you get to kind of steer these kids into what kind of culture they're

getting up there? They're seeing and I know some some stuff, but what is what are Britain may even like, what are they watching? What are they what are they discussing? Well, it changes week two weeks. I think he probably saw on Instagram this week it was Secret Life of Home Alone. Secret Life of Pets was like musically a very big hit for them because it has like big pop song um,

and they both were just shaken around to it. Um. Shaking around Home Alone is actually like not really grabbing brand. Like he enjoyed that scene because we kind of like put in front of him. But the show, the movie as a whold is not like have enough like music or cartoons for him to be drawn in. I guess he probably just knows the screenplay logistically is a huge mess. I'm saying, I don't know. I don't think so, Yeah,

I don't know. He's um. Lately, he's been pretty into the movie inside out, which is teaching him about feeling, which I think it's good for him because he's like mimicking the emotion. Oh yeah, we've seen that. Yeah, and he's like he was like a couple of weeks ago, he was like crying about something and I was like, what's going on. He's like, I sad, Like he had a name to put to it, so that was good. Um what else? He was rullly into cars for a while that I was going to say, yeah, I haven't

seen it. Well, I guess is this part of Matt's question, like is there stuff that you and Peter want to eventually introduce to Brita Like yeah, I mean we definitely like started a little bit, but some stuff is too old for him. Like Peter pushed like Dumbo pretty hard, which I'm not. It's just one of those things like whatever movie you watched eight million times as a child, you kind of wanted to see how your child reacts

to it, So that was his thing. He also likes The Wizard of Oz, but that's like too old for a Brandon and I pushed Mary Poppins because that's like my childhood thing growing up. That was like, why you're so dark. Yeah, I am so hard. We had in my household, we owned two videos for most of my childhood, and it was The Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins. And the Wizard of Oz was terrifying to me, so we watched Mary Poppins over and over again. But so

he was like pretty into that. Um and that's where he I don't know if you've seen his instagrams where he tells jokes, but that is from a Mary Poppins scene where they sing I love to laugh and they talked. So we love the awareness of how funny he knows he is. Yeah, he says regularly, I'm so funny. So you know he's now aware of his power. I think I clocked this early on because one of the first brand videos that I clocked this Peter I called Instagram

instagrams Peter posted. I think it was like the second ever brand video of Brand just I think he must have not even been a year old, maybe it was like a year and a half, two years old, sitting at on his high chair and Peter just from camera off screen is doing a little a little bit of the sound and then Brian mimics it. Yeah, and then Peter laughs and then as the response, Brent starts laughing and it was one of the most for the most heartwork.

We're also blown away, I think because we don't have any children to watch, were like literally watching and be like, oh my god, this is how it works. No, I think it's fun for us as like creative people to have kids that have like creative impulses and like over probably overly nurtured them. Um, because our our parents were like not always like super into our creativity. So it's like we're probably like like nurturing it too much. But it's fun to watch. I think it's great we're creating

beautiful monsters. Like Brian is like a natural performer and he loves attention, so like anytime you are into him repeating something, he's like, Okay, here you go. I said, the most surprising, consistent and prolific performer in this community. And he doesn't even know it now. Yeah, he hasn't awareness of the camera that I don't even have at this where I'm like, oh, I need to like blink less.

And there was there was this weird moment a few months ago where I was filming him on the phone and he knew I was filming him, so he was kind of performing for the phone. And then at a certain point it's like I was like, you know, filling up my phone too much, so I turned off the record and he was like he could tell that I wasn't recording and that I was just going through the motions, and he kind of like called me out on it.

He was like, was like no, like like it's just like so funny, Like he could sense, like he was like, this needs to be a command. I mean, that's ye, that's the X factor. That's the other side of the coin to like that baby trying to flip, entrepreneur trying to zoom into a book, you know, and this is like the other side of that, where it's like this is this is a good thing that technology is giving to well. I have to say, if there's one that I want everyone to watch, and this, to me is

the iconic one. It's Bryn gets on the phone and has a conversation in gibberish, fullerish, nothing, but the inflections are so that you will follow the conversation every step of the way, and it's there's a perfect pauses and he really is listening, and then he's just like, no, no, this is done. But it's just like yes and those in affirmatives and it's mind blowing, my god. And then Peter goes are they saying bye? And he goes bye bye,

and then he hangs it up iconic. Yeah, guys, everyone watching, it's not Peter's handles. I think that's a Peter. That's a Peter one, I think. But this is a great channel strategy, two separate accounts to synchronize, because then one day Britain will want to have an Instagram and then and you'll have a mass the followings of both of you, and it's gonna be a very popular team, very popular team.

Speaking of content, I had this, like genuine question now now that we're like post election, is there, have you guys had these any meetings so far to talk about any I don't know, like tactical or like onsensus stupid like strategy shifts like post election, just like in terms of like the way you write things or the way

you cover things or whatever. I mean, we've had like informal conversations about it, Like there's definitely like baseline, We're never gonna waste their time covering like Trump's small hands or like we're like that just like any kind of like normalization like you would a normal president, Like that's not but yeah, we've agreed like the Trump residencies a women's issue, so like that at his fair game on Reductress.

But it's yeah, we've like I don't know, I guess we've had a lot of these conversations like in our own heads. But that's that's kind of like a thing we had about Trump already was like we're not going to do like the small hand stuff and we're not gonna like take the easy jokes because it's like why, I guess when everyone else is doing that, Like I

don't know. I also have like ever since, ever since he was like hitting like mass media coverage early in the election and people were like, stop covering him, he's getting all his attention, but then everyone just kept covering him. My feeling is sort of like it's sort of he's

sort of like an abuser. Like we keep having these sex scant like sex assault sexual assault scandals in our community, and I'm sort of like every time it happens, I'm like, it's not about that guy, It's about us all trying to protect ourselves from these types of guys. It's not this one guy. So like when I talk about it, I don't like to be like so and so did this blah blah blah, I hate and so I want to talk about like why do these people behave this way?

And how are we not looking out for women and blah blah blah. So when it comes to Trump, I still am just like I don't want to do a lot of Trump coverage. I don't want to like I mean, we do cover him, for sure, but like when it's justified, yeah, like how can we talk about this and how can we talk about the forces that play without just being like Trump is a bad man? Well, what's so great about reductress? I think just as someone that enjoys the comedy of is how specific it always is, So like

you don't want to do just like this. You expect like to hear something about you know, um Trump, and maybe that's it's just like it's something specific that pertains to It is in the voice of your magazine, and so like that has to be right. And my question might have been like a little simplistic then just to be like, well, since the president, since the presidency is now a women's is like a very gendered thing now has to have things changed. But maybe that's not even

that that might be a lazy or something ahead. It's a good question. I do think like there there was definitely some questioning ourselves after the election of like are we being too smug? You know? And I think everyone's asking themselves like have we been a little bit smug? Is liberals like assuming we were going to win this thing and just being like, oh, they're dumb, you know, And now we're sort of like, how do you like

actually reach out to people? And like, I don't know, but I think it's what we were just saying, is that there's power and sort of not pointing or mentioning

the thing. I don't know. It's like, well, I would imagine that the way because you guys get pitches from all the writers, so it's like, you guys look at all the pictures you get and is maybe this is a question, I guess is it more Wow, let's sit down and talk about what we want to do and then let's look at everything, or you just kind of look at what you have and like look at the kind of thoughts that you guys are getting and then say this feels right, or like for topical stuff, we

do a lot of that chat in house because it's a lot of like, Okay, we know this broad thing is a problem, but like let's break it down to the like micro is shoes, and a lot of it's just like throwing that micro issue out and seeing what people have on it, and a lot of that stuff is done the house. I mean, every once in a while we get like freaking home runs out of people from outside. But topical, I think like a group effort makes all the difference in terms of really being specific

and not just being like the Trump stucks. Yeah. I also, like one of my comedy philosophies, I like, if you're doing a topical joke about the thing that everyone's talking about, you kind of do want to hit the nail on the head in terms of what the thing is. Like you want to have an original take on that topic, but you don't want to like skirt the issue at hand.

So it's like, obviously we're not as mainstream as like SNL, but we do want to like speak to people about like what's actually on their mind, So we don't need like the most creative like philosophical side issue part of this joke. I don't know. Um there was a headline in the wake of that whole sexual assault um stuff at U c B what that one? It would one just like really like blew me away. It was I made up my sexual assault for all the attention, So

I anonymously reported my rape for the anonymous attention. Brilliant, Like I just thought it's so good, unbelievable that I was like that says it right there. I mean, like how you you read this and like what are you going to say? Like the whole thing was such nonsense. I mean, but I mean and and this gets back

to topicality and hitting the issue on the head. Um. Yeah, that whole page that that one day was just one of I mean it was just the circumstances were horrible surrounding it, but just like a very satisfying thing, just or not satisfying, but at least like I don't know it's comforting is not the right word either, but you know what I mean like that, like it was it was cathartic for us in the office whatever like attention

it did. It didn't get like we felt better at the end of the day, just being like the is how we feel. Sometimes you just want someone to say what you're feeling, just like yeah, because we were, oh god, we felt so shitty in the office that week, like nobody was getting anything done. Like if we weren't going to attack with the thing that was wearing us down, like, we would have just been shitty all week. So it

was it was good to just approach that. It sucks that it's now an issue again, and now we realize like the way the new cycle goes, it's like, oh, we're going to be constantly like dealing with abortion stuff, We're constantly going to be dealing with rape culture, and

you know, it's it's insane. Like in addition to us just having elected uh basically someone who's committed sexual assault to like the highest office in our country, is like we like we haven't had I personally feel like I haven't had like a vacation or like a break this year that hasn't been heavily dominated by like rape allegations,

like because it keeps coming up. And I mean I know that's like sort of like um, like a very like privilege problem to have that I'm like, oh, my vacation is dominated by like discussing someone else's like sexual thought, Like obviously it's not as bad as like living it, to be sure, but it's just like it's constantly there, you know, like it's just our whole lives. This year has been it's just been one after another, but it's

always been happening. We're just now aware of it. And it's just like every other freaking problem in the world, like we know so much now and now we have to do something about it, Like having to explain to my relatives who legitimately think that all of a sudden, these Black Lives Matter people are being out of control. It's like, no, they're just now giving given the opportunity to speak out about this because they're able to record it on their phones. Like the media is so I mean,

and just technology now is so sensitive. We can we can get these things on camera. For years, we haven't been able to get them on camera. And you know what's amazing about that too, is like when did camera phones become like ubiquitous two thousand eight? And I will tell you, ask any concern whatever whatever in your family and they're like, huh, kind of weird that Ever since Obama was elected, Black lives matter was the thing, and it's like, oh, I wonder why. Yeah, right, it's shocking.

It's they really, these Trump people, they really, they really go to bad and it doesn't matter what's logical, and even Moore doesn't matter what's sensical. And you know, on the flip side, it's like, sometimes I think about myself, you know, what was I willing to do that for my Candida? And I think it is partially true. And I asked that. I'm like, if Kanye West ran on the Democratic ticket, would I vote for him over my sins? Marcar Rubio? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't

think about it. I would think about it real hard. But if he was running on the Democratic ticket, he wouldn't appoint a bunch of white supremacists to his cabinet, right, But yeah, there's that, there's that. But yeah, I do constantly ask myself, like, um, are Democrats actually better in

practice or just in theory? Because I do think like I do think we're better on average, but when you look at like media and so many things were like in terms of representation, where we're just like shutting people of color out of every you know, high position and or like every TV show. You know, it's like, Okay, we're not doing so great, like we're not doing so reep.

But look, this is what the Making Open podcast is sort of about, is that she realized that intention was like the big thing, like for for the Open Shuter transition from like just like trashy like tabloid TV to like almost spiritual things. She like Oprah, had to shift her thinking in terms of what she wanted to how

she wanted to impact people. I feel like, as long as liberals are I mean when I say this as a person of color and a game in a gay man and all this stuff um as, I feel like, as long as liberals honestly mean well, hopefully the rest

of everything else falls into place. That sounds like a very You know, sometimes I think there is the absolute um not like self belief that you would do mean well, but there is that that black hole or that kind of like what's it like a like a blind spot where it's like, you know, you took to your computer

in the morning to speak about social issues. Meanwhile, like the person that voted for Trump like has like a foot of snow at their door and they can't afford to shovel so they were doing dealing with that and didn't have time to think about the social issue and don't know what the social issue is. And because they don't know what it is, they can't have an opinion on it, and so they're just trying to like, oh, they know is it's bad, and I have to I

have to vote. So it's like I'm really trying to get to the I'm trying to think, how can we get to the point where we can all really even begin to be on the same time of a middle class, have a strong middle class. I think people in media I have to like be a little more comfortable. I think like not having such like uh like intellectual hot take and just like being informative on a really basic level.

Because I think that's the thing that conservatives and like Trump especially has done, is like they have these slogans that are like, make America great again, and to like the average person that has to get their kids to school and pay their rent and whatever, they're like, Okay, sounds good, Like I don't have time for a lot more than that. So if you could just make it digestible. The Democratic message was an anti message. It was in response to that. It wasn't like a statement of itself there,

It's like, what are you talking about yet? For you, I just saw a picture of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama clinking wine glasses in the sky. It's like that, you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, it's

it's something to think about, and I really don't. I don't want to feel scared saying it's something to think about because now you get online and it's like you can't say the right thing, but you know, end it becomes scary, which is I think what like kind of what you were saying before, it's like, not only is there not a break from it in the news cycle, there's not a break from it in the Facebook feed. Like it's not this place where you just go to

to do stupid bits anymore. Like what I loved about it was like, you know, when we would do dumb Instagram bits. I want it back. But I know, I think, like what you were saying about intention is I think like beyond intention, I think liberals has to be okay with things being actually a little bit of work, and I think like we want that, we want to be

like I'm on the right side of this. I just signed a petition, Boom done, and like it's like, if you want to have more diverse representation in whatever field

you work in, it's harder than that. You have to actually reach out to people you don't know and like go out of your way to do that, and the first diverse person you ask is going to be unavailable and you have to be like, I know, diverse person is like a weird thing to say whatever, but you know what I mean, like you, it's like it's actual workings, and like to undo the legacy of slaver. Really slavery is not like boom, we fixed it. Like we have to like actually do something about that. I have a

question for you guys. Did you guys watch Westworld? Yeah, so, did you guys have a hard time with it in the beginning because of like the the kind of violence against women because it kind of got like a like a weird rap in the beginning because it was a very hbosh kind of show where it was like, treat women horribly. Yeah, I mean, but I understand why I was there. I'm not like triggered by that stuff. Like because like, of course, if there was like a robot world,

men would fucking ripe. Yeah, it made sense to me. I don't know, I just yeah, I'm like, oh, that's the world as I see it. Yeah, that's That's the thing I have trouble with is like certain people criticizing the show for violence against women, or criticizing any show for like nudity or whatever, and I'm just like, but rape does hopen that the world, So are we never allowed to depict it? And then what's the scenario where in if we just never depict the reality we live in?

And even when it's going to take a stance, even even the fact that that show is about the fact that like this is like where it's gotten to in this world where entertainment is rape and violence and all these things. Like, but people are like, well it still did like use it for viewers, And it's like, so, wait, are we in this weird kind of like paradox where we can never talk about it? And like, how how do you expect the visual medium to address this thing? Exactly? No?

I think I mean, like we have to accept because it's so much more insidious when we don't talk about it directly. And I feel this way about this KKK show on any two, Like granted I haven't seen it, so who knows. It could be It could be extremely poorly executed. But to actually like see that on screen, I don't A reasonable person, right, a person who could be on the fence of X and Y should not

be like, that's a good idea. But when we just don't talk about it and we just have our like weird racist uncles who say like things under their breath, even I don't know, I think that's much more dangerous, don't because those people vote and they don't talk about it. But you know, like kkk, we can point that and be like that's alive and well, I don't know. Yeah. Shaan King like wrote about that just the show, having

seen the pilot. He was like, I think this is actually I think it's good that we're exposing these people. But at the same time, and you have to you have to do you have to weigh the risks something. Well, it's like, what's intention here? Is it to entertain and to sensationalized or is it to inform an exposure sense? The thing, I'm worried that because of the Duck dynasty situation, like, oh, this isn't going to be done well if it were

an actual documentary that has a point. Supposedly people are involved are saying that it's done in the right tone. But I think it is one of those things where it's more of a big picture discussion than just that show, because that show on its own is not necessarily bad. But it's like, hey, Annie, like, are you represent people of color on any of your shows, Because if you're gonna do a show about racists, like maybe also have some other shows about like other groups of people. Have

you guys watched um the leam Remini show it? But but it's um it's good, like the first three episodes and it's not good and that like yes, juicy, it's good, and like these people are really sharing these tough stories and it I would, I would say, impossible to watch it and not say, yeah, this can't. This has to go. I think that something's going to happen. Like the way that the show is moving along, it's just making such a clear case every episode really from every standpoint on

why this cannot stand. Like and the next episode, I'm so excited because the next episode is going to be all about this David Miscavenge character who's like the Pope of scientology and this is going to like expose him and really go after him. And I think this guy is he is a really evil person that's living in this world. And I really I recommend watching the show

just to get informed about it. I actually have a family friend that lost someone to scientology, and I can tell you, this isn't this thing that like and I feel bad even making jokes about it sometimes, like but because I know for a fact, this isn't this thing that exists out there. Um that like happens to people in California or Tampa. It happens to people everywhere. Like this is a real cult and it takes people away from their families, and I hope something goes down with it.

Um yeah, But meanwhile Matt has been balancing that with Mariah's world and then you have its own way world. If you have to put one thing at the top of the list, it's Maria's and that's a light. That's a light in the world. Only because of all the side characters like talk about yes men, like the show was executive produced by Maria, who's horizontal the whole show. Just like always, I can't believe face beat to the gods,

like she's just so it's so skewed. And the show was about how everyone around her was stressful in a problem except her. She's the one who keeps it all together beautiful. Did you ever see? It was like an MTV cribs that they went to her house and she like she put on like a teddy and like high heels and then went to her workout room and she was like, I don't know how to use any of this. She gets I like workout machine in her high heels and she's just like, how do you do that? It's

so funny. She's insane. I mean, she was my first concert. She was like part of my childhood, Like I was a Mariah Stan Like I knew all the worst all the songs, Like she was my life. So now to see like what she is, which is like a true Frankenstein. You know what's really funny. Really, the funny thing is like when you were a kid, my mother was being like I remember Mariah when she was sweet, like nineties

Mariah like she has just like devolved every decade. My My first CD was Mariah Carry and My Cool Aunt. Which album was it Dream Fantasy They Dream They Dream? Yeah, that was would like always be my baby, and that was that was her like kind of like she started to get more like upbeing than like a little bit of R and B was coming in. We had music box in the house and that had Hero on it and that was like her huge when she was like

a torch song goddess. And then the album that like changed my life that's seven years old, Butterfly Butterfly, which was her first album outside of being married to her manager, who was like a true monster. I mean, marine's seen some shut Yeah, she's you can deny this, Okay, she's one of them. Like she's like a Britney Spears Michael Jackson level, like fucked up. I'm nervous for her. The show is nuts, show us nuts. I hope, I hope and I pray that she you know, she'll she'll make it.

Apparently she has a sense of humors a good sign, right, Yeah, that's that's like the kind of person like from your high school whenever you go over their house and the whole time you're just like wide eyed, like bugged out, like what is happening here? Like like they just have like the crazy mom that's like there's a dog behind a door. That's screaming carpet. What do you guys want to eat? Dogs? And then she has opened the fridge

and it's empty. It's like made of red flags. Okay, so this is, um, what all of our listeners have been waiting for. This is the cornerstone of the episode is We'll take us to fame someday. It's I don't think so, honey. We take one minute to rail against something in culture and that is even just not that is even too specific. Talk about anything you want that to pissing you off, anything anyone, all the ticks and taxs, you just have to say, I don't think so, honey, guys,

just just just a little thing. Um. Matt has are already coined so many indelible little phrases on this podcast. His newest one he's trying out is ticks and tax Just be on the lookout for that, so just you know, maybe try using it in in a sentence to Yeah, great, Matt, you have something. I don't have anything prepared. I have

a little something. Okay, girl, Okay, can you put me on the clo I'll cut you in the cloths, so Matt and I'll do it first and then we'll hit it potentially in mind it will be a little bit of a spoiler, but I'm gonna try to keep it as clean as possible. But this is a culture podcast, and so I'd be remissed to not say my feelings about this particular thing. Here we go, um, Matt Rogers, I don't think, so honey, time starts now. I don't

think so honey. Star Wars Rogue one and your animation on characters from the old movies, I don't think so honey. Grand mop Tarkness in this movie looking like super Mario. I don't think, so honey. Cast another actor. We know him well, Peter Cushing was his name, he played the character. I don't think, so honey. He comes in looking like someone from Halo video game. I don't think, so honey. I want to see human faces. You want to reboot

this franchise. You want to give me strong female lets, I'm all about it, but also give me humanity, give me something I can latch onto. Don't give me um a human actor talking to a screen. And also at the end spoiler alert, Princess Leiah is in it looking like her face was about to slide off. She's in it. And also they used Carrie Fisher's old dialogue and I don't think so, honey. I want to hear Carrie Fisher right now. Attack this reality head on. She's a horsewoman,

She's seen it. Her voice is she's she's been through it, she's been to Helen back, and I want to see the real Carrie Fisher on screen. There's not enough Carrie Fisher in film. That's one minute. Oh my god, my horsewomen, you mean you mean h r. Her voice now is just beautiful, but oh my god, but it's seen the years. And also the revelation that she and Harrison Ford were fucking all those dynamite love it you hear about this.

She's come out and confessed that during the whole Star Wars, not only was she totally zoned out on coke, but she was also fucking Harrison Ford and the whole time. I mean, those movies are long, and apparently they were just on so such hard drugs filming those scenes like in it was just like god, apparently they were just do lines of coking then go on this and then like act and say this like insane dialogue. That's well, he's so proud anyway, I like the movie Rogue One.

I just didn't agree with the way that they chose to recreate the old action the movie. It's a video game. Nonsense. You just spoil that for me just at the end of the movie, if you were curious about what happens um with the plans for the Death Star. A lot of Star Wars fans listen to this podcast. I think, so we're all out there. I think they'd be surprised. I think Star Wars is like pretty gay. Yeah, it's a queer narrative for sure, I think so. Yeah, Luke, Luke, okay,

choke up a system, chosen family. Yeah, okay, I don't have anything of our here. We can know, you know what? I got something. Maybe it would be nice to ask one of our gasts if they want to go. Did you guys want to go first? You go ready? I don't think so Honey starts Oh my god, wait, hold on, no, we don't have a lot of time. Okay, alright, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, um you know what you goin starts now. I don't think so Honey's incompetent baristas. I know this is a

well trod subject. I know, like every barista is like a bumbling fool. But I met one today that really just just really got to me and got under my skin. I asked, I went, this is at the Starbucks on Spring Street, and I want to say sixth Avenue, right across from Trump. Soho, I don't think it's a coincidence. So um uh. The their crafts of milk and dairy were out, so I just needed any type of dairy. I don't think so, honey, this barista. I went up to this gentleman, I asked him for some half and

happy he had some from behind the counter. He said, sure, but wait one minute, and he was meanwhile just trying to fucking chump up to some rich asshole who was just like hanging out the counter hovering. I don't think, so, honey, this barista. He took a solid ten minutes to get me any type of dairy, mama, And I just wanted to make my Americano less harsh, so it didn't run right through me. I don't think, so, honey, burist does I don't think so, honey. Starbucks barristas who are not

more training. That's one minute. That's one minute. I don't think. I just want to say I've had a lot of really positive experience with the stars, always undercut me always, I've had a really good time with them all this Christmas is that I'm in particular enjoying the peppermint mocha frappuccino. That's all good for you because I'm bravely still drinking frappuccinos, which they're cold. That's brave throughout this winter weather. Okay, great,

I'm proud, Sarah, you're up. Wow. I'm going to process this in real time for what we just experienced outside, because I don't think so, honey. Starts now, I don't think so, honey. The old man yelling at his wife around the street, right outside on Runway, it's like, excuse me. He's like, I don't I can never do enough for you. And I'm like, oh, I know the backstory to this, honey.

I know what you did, and I know this wife is just like he has no fucking idea what he does, but she's gonna say it, and he's just gonna be like, what do I do? It's Christmas? I'm so sad. When do I do? I don't think so, honey. Maybe just like listen to what she's saying and then maybe try to fix it. I don't know, or maybe just like don't yell on the street because let me tell you. We were walking down the street and we've walked an

extra block. We walked an extra block. We were ten minutes late here because of this guy making a scene on the street. And I'm like, oh, I get it. It's all about you, honey. Oh my god, you've got listen to your wife. You're probably getting into divorce. Wow. A swift one at fifty seconds got the point I was just feeling in real time. We know exactly as now we have an explanation as to the lateness, but it was all worth it. Bath, can you corroborate this? Yeah,

oh yeah it was me, Me who's spaced out. I was like, it was like a laser beam for me. I couldn't look away. Uh yeah, my god. But that is honestly, like, like you honestly have we have to figure out, as um, you know, a society how to

respond to those things. I remember a friend of the show, previous guest dress in and a dressin has told me multiple times, unfamiliar friend of the show, front of the She's like talked about like just witnessing these horrible interactions between men and they're like significant others, and what do you do? Like? Do do you like? I don't know. It's you know what? Right for conversation? Okayast episode se Alright, Beth, here we go. Are you ready? Yeah? I picked out

all right? Good? Great, here we go go. I don't think so, honey. People who think reverse sexism is a thing, take a look at power dynamics, take a look at history, take a look at right now and what's going on in this country. Women do not have more power than you. So just sit out and relax. Okay, us calling you out on your bullshit and your power and what you're doing to us is not the same as you walking

all over us. Okay, I don't think so, honey. I know your little feelings are hurt because you've never experienced actual oppression, But I don't think so, honey, little white men, that is not oppression. Okay. I'm sorry you had to read a thing that made you reconcile what you are doing two people around you. I don't think so, honey. It's not happening. You are hurting people. You are the one that is hurting us. Okay, I don't think so, honey. Reverse sexism is not a thing. We got it. You

know what we got. I think we got all the culture, social, political, We went cinematic. Yes, we got on the ground in New York City. And let's just pour it out for the men out there who are quick to defend accused sexual honestly, lighters up for the straight white men who get more upset when the Yankees lose than when a racist brings their whole crew to Washington. I see you screaming at the television. So I grew up with you all around me, and I have a lighter up for you.

And Jimmy Buffett is playing guys, what an episode? I mean you guys. First of all, you must pick up the book How to Win the Feminism. Must It's so funny, it's so great. You must listen to the podcast mount of Time Now Time with um uh, the incredible, smart, brilliant Nicole Silverberg and the garbage Rachel truly a garbage bag. Future guests, maybe we'll see how we feel. If you're in l A, come see us at the Comedy Store in January six and on the seventeenth in San Francisco.

At sketch first and how right Yeah, how you CB theater? Yeah, January twelve. I believe a great January stack, January terrible January event just as it surrounds the terrible January event. But what will happen We'll find out, we'll talk about it. Okay, girl, this has been Bow and this is Matt Rogers and this is the last culture racist podcast. Thank you so much, Forever Dog. I look you in the eye as I

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