"He Gay" (w/ Michael Urie)

this the boy stack house in True Blood. You're doing that? You so much? Um? I would say, I feel chapped, Okay, I don't usually get chapped. I'm extraordinarily chapped. And I may I have to apologize to all present. I may have to stop an apply chap That's fine, but I'm a human being an apply chap. Um beautiful. But this is a fabulous episode. Oh my god, what what a

great episode. This is going to be so good. Okay, because there's a Thespian here, a true and we don't get many Thespians going through We get a lot of comedians who act, which is not and we we we had a discussion at length about this. A comedian who acts is not necessarily a comedic actor. No, no, no, no, no. You know what I'm saying. Comedic actor, you would, can you? That's where you get your Sandra Bullocks. That's where you get your Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Reynolds is the comedians to act.

That's where you get your you know miss Schumer's Yes, I feel pretty coming out. Wow, let's just go through the credit. Let's just go through the card. I want to go through each one. And I'm telling you and you guys, I am reciting these from memory. Okay, have them written down because because but if you have them for memory, I believe I could do any anything. I'm a fan. Okay, anything you miss you just feel it. Okay.

First of all, he's returning as the host of the Drama Desk Awards for his third time, for the third time, and have three costumes, three outfits. I should say, Yeah, this is gonna be costume changes. It's gonna be like his own concert, Seman checks. So he's returning for that. He's nominated for um A Lucille or Tell Award for Torch Song, which is coming to Broadway this November. Theater

and theater honey, oh my god. And also he's Jack the way you know what played at the Helen Hayes What Payed It did, which was a formative engraced by many a brilliant performance. Oh my god, Oh I fucking we gotta talk about Sanna. Okay, um, you're you're so right. I still have my playball. Um. Oh my nob When it started and Shann Jackson was sneeling on the stage doing whatever he was, I was like, this is good.

This is an interesting way to start the program. I loved it when Jackie, when Jackie Hoff and Marie Testa came out and just belted in everyone's face. Mary Testa, it's real culture number seventeen, Mary Testa, Jackie. You've heard us talk about jack. We love jack, We love you Jack. You don't know who? What the funk we are? Torch

song coming to Helen Hayes Theater. You've seen You've also seen him on stage Hamlet for the Shakespeare Theater Company, The Government Inspector just finished directing the amazing show Bright Close in Bold Patterns starting to Nightmare and Jeff Hiller, Who's who's terrible? Really? They're both just handfuls and yeah, you've seen him on film and TV. Come on, come on,

you know the big credit, the big credits. Ugly Betty, you've got younger, We've got the good wife, and who can forget his star turn as Sebastian the Pug and Beverly Hills Triuahua. He was so gagged to say that to you. I was like, I really hope Michael think that's funny. I think that's funny. Okay, he did, he did, he did, he did? Okay, and please, what do you have anything? Did I miss anything? Okay, here we go, Please welcome Michael uh. Sebastian was originally named Liberati. I

guess it was too gay. This is Eraser, this is Araser, Liberati ray have its gay name. And as you remember, yeah movie, in the movie, wore this like goldle may suit. Yes, he was very gay. He was so gay? Why hid it? And he had a birthday party? Right, there was a birthday party, and then the dog had an event. Guess what happened when they made Betteverly Hills Tuawa part two? What they killed him? No? I I passed because an idiot. No, I'm sure it made money. I mean I didn't make

any money off. It wasn't very you know, it wasn't like it wasn't like a Pixar movie. It wasn't that much money to begin with. But why wouldn't I do that? Literally? The first movie took me three? What was the reason for passing? Because I'm I'm stupid. My representative told me too that. She was like, my representative was like, I love her so and I'm still with so. I don't want to a gudge, but this is something that I think she was wrong about. Wow, it's good to it.

It's good to have that relationship. She was like, she was like, she's British. She was like, only George Lopez is returning. She managed to shade George Lopez and like, by the way, George Lopez is a big star. A lot of people love stop, he's worth the president. Guys who were replaced me, SpongeBob SquarePants, the guy who does the voice who does that? How did that make you feel bad? Very sorry? Like why would I why that was? That was? Obviously that job was good enough for famed

voice actor whose name I don't know, who does I know? Yeah, that's fair anyway, Hey, that's That's why I never passed on franchises, never passed, never passed on friends. Why would I not do? It was a straight it was straight to video back when there was video. But so yeah, like my voice acting career took off after that, and I was you will get your voice acting break yet, yes, I was watching. Actually do you remember when they did like Shrek seventeen and like all the ladies weren't like

my Rudolph was in it. Amy Sideris was in it. Like there was like all of them and they were all being interviewed at once, and the interviewer just goes, so, what did you learn doing this movie? And Amy Sadares, without missing a beat, goes that there's money and voiceover, and then they all cracked up and they were just like it looked really funny. It almost made me see the movie. But it was like the nineteen tracks, A lot of trecks. There's a lot of a lot of track.

After Shrek two, I was like, it wasn't Shrek two if I remember correctly, like brilliant it was Shrek two. Shrek was like, yeah, Shrek and then was like, oh my god, it gave ever to gig He played the group whatever the gig. And then was Puss in boots? Wasn't that? Yeah? And then who played the unfairy god? No, I can't believe I know that she was an ab fab talking about jen Jennifer Egan. No, No, she's a novelist,

um Daisy Egan something Jennifer Jennifer, Jennifer Flowers. She was fabulous, holding out for a hero that was That was a great she was good, was great. Great. Here's the thing. My thing with animated movies always is if they're not musicals, I can't fully love them. I love a good animated music. Well, no, I mean like there was like the Doulach song, which I think I rewinded a million times. See, I told you this letter because the temperature is confusing. It's temporarily confusing.

Michael is taking off his sweater. I do you regret the scar from earlier or No, looked good. It was cold outside, although it wasn't cold in the subway. You know. No, it's so hot and and the m t a is is a disaster. It's crazy. You don't they don't they like put heat on. No, it's they No one gets it. No, it's it's actually really called number fifty six. No one gets it but in this but we're talking about the m T A now, right, But I am off the best train in the city which one seven. It is

the dream. But unless you're going to someplace on st you have to transfer. Well that is true, but then you can at least have your pick of which one you transfer, So anyone that ends up on the sea you can get to anything. Really, I mean, like, I think the second best train is the one to three or that line the two three baby that you are flying through the city in the metropolitan area. It's so interesting to hear you talk speaking these terms because I I live right by here. I'm by any train, so

I just think of all trains as equal. I don't do this sort of favoritism thing. Do you find that the trains are all working poorly? They're all working poorly, and everyone's being in Everyone today in particular, was being an asshole. And I don't want to get into it. They're not worth the time, they're worth it. Look tired of being a disaster. Okay, what are we voting for, Cynthia? I think I'm voting for Cynthia. I'm not registered in New York. I don't know. I can't do it. I

think I might. It's hard. It's hard because it was like, it's like all the of all the people I want to see taken out of office, it's like Almo is not really one of them, I know, And this is the option that we're presented. Yeah, And I'm like, really, I mean, I would love to get behind her, but I'm not entirely sure that that's a that's fair, that's a fight that needed to be fun. Although the m t A is a total disaster and this seems to

be quite a bit of corruption up there too. But she today posted, um, I have been asking me about my views on marijuana. Legalize it, and I was like that John Bayner, former former is now on the board of direction directors for this marijuana company, this company that's

that's advocating for for relegalization of marijuana. Yes. And I have a theory about this because he's already been on the boards of a lot of tobacco companies, or or a Big Tobacco maybe Big Tobacco, one of the tobacco companies, And I think that they want to legalized. I think the tobacco companies want to legalize and manufacture marijuana cigarettes because they see dollar signs, and I'm all about it.

I'm all about it too. I mean cigarettes cigarettes are bad, but marijuana cigarettes sound no. Come on, I think that it's time. And sometimes in Colorado at the dispense they wrapping in fun little conical shapes and it's gorgeous. What you can read like that, like a little like a little hand, like a y so you can get the esthetic vibe. Yes, I saw in to California next week and I haven't been since. It was like, Lee illegal, I legal. It would be weird. That's fine. Dispensaries are interesting.

It's like everyone is very everyone's still the ethos is still like shady, we're doing something right, but it's no this we're fine. That makes it sexier though, as we know lived out there, I got a prescription from some shady doctor. I was like, I was like, I hadn't. He was like, well, you know, it was clear that that's the only reason he went. And he was old. He was like an old. It was like Howard Hessman from remember Howard Hasman's from w KERP. And he was

described head of the class. Oh no, no, no, wait and he was the clue. He's the he was your doctors like him, bitch. He would play him, but it would be like him. Now, okay, maybe that wasn't No, that's I get. I get. It was a perfect example because we had that misunderstanding. I'm sorry. So I loved it. I love as my doctor the pot guy. And he was like I was. He was like, so, what's wrong? And I was like, I get really bad headaches and he's like, I can't give it to it for headaches.

I was like, damn. So I was like, I also get canker source and he said okay, and yeah, he gave it to me for canker sorece get him all the time back to me too. I really does weird help for canker source. I was going to say, it makes you forget maybe you all the time? I get them all? Do you? Is it a stress thing? No? I don't think so, because I get them when I'm not stressed. I think it's a I think the stress doesn't help. It doesn't help. But for me it's whenever

ever ever I bite myself. Oh, every time I Cael becomes a canker and a bad one in it lasts a week see and I think, yeah, it's it's bad and they're very painful. You know what helps me? And I've been saying this on this podcast because actually there was like a three week period where I had them and they wouldn't go away. I just go to write Aid or Dwyne read and get the canker cover. It's like it looks like a little mint and you just put it on there. I know it's like store. They

didn't work for you. It did work, it did help the pain, but then you have to be careful around it. Here's what you're depending on where it is. If it's the teeth. Look, I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm just saying it's helped more than I think else and the gargling of salt water is a no. Here's what you do everyone, I want you to listen very carefully. Go to Chinatown. You go up to the rude aloof person

who's working the counter, a shady ask Chinatown pharmacy. I can say this as a Chinese person, but you ask for watermelon frost and maybe the person behind the counter is going to say, I don't know what you're talking about. But you have to insist on watermelon frost, and by the third time, I guarantee they will, they will sort of concede and they'll be They'll be Okay, let me go get it from the back. It's this little powder puff. It's the most bitter, disgusting herbal powder. But you put

it on the affected area. By the next day, it will begin healing. It will begin sort of assembly. I have I have boxes of it at home. Just just come up and I have a question, why do they not want to give it to you the first two times? It's not illegal. I think they're just being I think they're just being They just recognize that as a place where they recognize their position of power, and they want to sort of live in that space for a little bit. I mean, I definitely no. It's like two dollars, so

get that. I promise you it works every time I swear about it. I want to talk about I was just gonna say, I just want to say for everyone at home who tuned out before or maybe like when to go leave the room to do something, and is now rejoining us. I don't think marijuana helps for tankerstars, because for me, it makes me more sensitive, like when I smoke, I get all my sense get sen get heightened. And so that means when something is bothering me, Like if I have like a stiff neck or something and

I smoke weed, it actually makes it worse. I don't know. Maybe that's just for me in the same way. Did I tell you about this? I told you about this myself weekend texted me a picture of a used cartridge. Oh she found that, well, my mom found it in the laundry when I went home, Like she used vape cartridge. I used. I used vape cartridge that I brought to the mountains. They went home and visit of my parents.

But then I also spent a little fun mountain weekend with some friends Um and Breckenridge, and then we went to dispensery there and then I bought a new cartridge and I dumped the old one, but I just shoved it in a pocket. I think my mom found it and like I had brought up weed before to them, and I was like, so, Mom and Dad, like, do people smoke weed in China? And they were like, yes, of course, but they're they're they're terrible, terrible people. You

should never smoke Weedberry frost. They do strawberry frost, and so I was and so I was like, Okay, I can't let them know that this is that this is something that I do. I've been found out. But I think with my sister and her kid and my my brother in law, they're like it was like they that was like immediating four. I don't know what my sister told them, but I get a text from my dad that was just like, don't ever do drugs. Your life

will be ruined. And it does feel like I'm fourteen again. Away, Well, it's because we all have roots. I don't know when you were in school, did they do the DARE program with you? Okay, So that was the worst thing ever because they said there are three drugs marijuana, heroin, and cocaine and they could kill you. It was like that basic. So now I really do believe in like generations, it's

like embedded that it's this like evil horrible things. Yeah, anyway, you know hearing hearing false information over and over again sinks in. Yes, it does. We have learned in government. Oh god, um wait, I want to genuinely know this, Michael. I voted for Hillary. Okay, great, thank you, great, so ugly petty. If you what is like have you ever used an understudy before on stage? Yes? Yes, okay, great?

What and like, what is like the threshold for just being like, okay, I can't do this, it's I've care. I will tell you that canker store can really make it hard to act. Of course, I didn't go on stage one time when I had are you serious? I called out of a show. I was like, I can't talk. I couldn't talk. It was characters talking about you, like I'm sorry, guys, I can't perform. I believe you. Yeah.

I did one man play where I spoke for a hundred minutes, and if I had a canker story, it would it could be I would have to adjust everything. I would like suddenly have a lisp because I had to adjust the way that I spoke, because to avoid biting my canker story. Because do you get do you get a whole mouthful of them? I will sometimes will No, it doesn't happen quite like that where I get a lot of a time. I do they get get they're all over. I think it's a vitamin deficiency. You should

take vitamins. I'll get one might almost always come from biting myself, like myself, and then I'll have to adjust the way I eat and I'll bite myself on the other side because you're excited when you eat, Because I get really excited. I eat very ate, very quickly, and I get excited and if I sometimes if I'm talking while I'm eating. But no, I never missed this out for a Kinker store. Not that that that I know. I mean, I understand I've wanted to. I've only ever

missed a show for another job that's paid me more. Well, there you go, and people understand that. But I've gone on with you know, I've gone on with simus infection. I've gone on with with like strep throat. I've gone on with shingles. One leg sings back and shingles is back and making a big pot return. Yeah when it was when then well got it. But I was like, it's back. Everyone's like singles and one was on the

phone with our agent shingles. That's what they say. Um, that's okay with single Oh my god, the room where it happened. But I uh, but but I also did it with one time. The one man play I did with poisoning was that Byron Seller Byron Seller in London. I did Byron Sell in London for two months and got food poisoning twice. I finally went to a doctor because it's actually really tricky to see a doctor there. I mean, you can anybody can see a doctor, but

you might have don't wait for a long time. It's like, so I kept saying should I go to the doctor, and they're like, don't bother, it's not worth it. And then after I got sick again, the theater was like, Okay, we'll send you to a doctor. And they paid for like a you know, which apparently is really expensive. It's like doubly expensive if you pay for like a doctor, because it's free to see a doctor. And the guy was like, he said, restaurants in London are dirty. You know,

London not beloved for its restaurants or its food. Yeah, not to shade the city of London. Love it beautiful, gorgeous, well, loved for many other things. But that's where they find things. That's the right thing to kill all the bacteria. Yeah, hitting the food is troublesome. But apparently I think that's mean what do I know, But you know how like a lot a lot. You have so much, you know how they have a lot of different flavors of crisps, chips, their chips, they have so so many, many many types

of chips. I mean, I guess we do too, but they have like it's really it's a huge snack there. And uh, it's because after the war, during the war, when they didn't get when they couldn't get any food, all they got with potatoes. Um, they got creative with potatoes and and so everybody has a taste for crasty queens seven where they were like zesty crab exactly. And that's why roast roast beef. Yeah, and that's why, that's why I think that's why their food there. You know,

their tastes are like that. That's bangers and mash and they have engls breakfast. It's all like very salty and and you know, blood sausage. And yeah. I went there one time, and I've only been there. I've only been to Europe once. But when we were there, I think I had like fish and chips, which like you can totally get anywhere, so I kind of wasted the opportunity. But yeah, but it's another I like when I'm there

like a nice pop pie. Yes, meat pie. I don't know, I get in my head because then I think of Sweeney Tod and my brain goes somewhere crazy people that it might be people or no, it's it's you know what I mean, it's just rat Yeah, like something could be in there. It's like a guy with a rat on two rats on his shoulders on ninth eighth Avenue and that's very eighth Avenue and they were dyed. Pink's cute shut a big New York City rats, big rats

that are his pets. And I wouldn't have even noticed that except for I saw some guy walk over to him kind of like cautiously and I heard him say those rats. He was like, why yes, guys, Yeah, their rats starting for drama desk. You should have two rats perched on yours. And I saw this on the avenue and Fipthya Street. Our next presenter is Laura Bell Bundy and I don't want you to chease your looks at all. What do you have? What do you like? Like? What

that's going to be happening? Well, you asked, I, um So every year I've done I've started the show with like a movie. Uh, you know very crystal. Yes, yes, like you know, like like um like like you do in awards shows, but the drama desk is you know, it's not certainly no Tony Awards, but it's not on TV and there's no real budget. You can stream it. You can stream you can stream it on very good.

But they're always like there and we and we have performances from shows, but it's really more like a concert. You know, we don't have set changes and things like that. It's really more concerts. So you know, they're always like what do you want to sing? You want to sing something? And I'm not a singer, and and and and and I and they're like, well, what about like a monologue or like what kind of thing could you do? And I'm like, there's not Like this is a show for

people who make theater. We're not going to impress them with anything anything on the stage. The only thing that we can impress them with is if we do it better. You know, like there's no way I'm gonna do anything on this stage with one day of rehearsal better then they have with their show that they've spent five years on to put up. So it just doesn't make any sense that I would ever sing or perform in front of this audience. So I asked to do this movie.

I has to open with a movie, because I thought it doesn't have to be that good to impress them because it's a movie. And so I'm we're gonna do that again. We're trying to spigure out what it's what it's going to be. The first year, it was me on a city bike biking through the theater district and and and I'm biking by like all the theaters and

there not in different nominees and it was crazy. Has all these people Jesse tyther Ferguson and Neal Brooks and christ fitz Gerald, um um, Georgia Engelee, I'll be at the Signature Theater. And I circled her on a city bike.

It was so much fun. And then I got all I go all the way downtown and I go by the Labyrinth and I saw Daphne Ruben Vega and then I run into Mary Testa Alison Fraser in front of the Public because they were nominated for a show at the Public and they're they're all dressed up and they're like, aren't you hosting the drama Desk Awards and I'm like yeah, and she's like, they're right now, we're late, and oh yeah,

that's back past all the places. And then you came in from the back, and then I came in from the We couldn't figure that out, like you see me. Then you see me backstage at town Hall. Yeah, And I go all the way through my Midtown right back into the near back back and forth backstage of town Hall,

and then I came out onto the stage. The last year, I was like running around the theater district, not running into people, but but just talking about the shows, and I get hit by um it was going to be a bus, but then somebody ran over somebody in Times Square and it became this giant sign and there's a shot of like Times Square and you see them putting up a sign of me doing the Drama Desk Awards.

And then later I'm like running around Times Square and the sign has detached and swings through and hits me. And then I wake up and I don't and I've been in a coma. I wake up and I don't know who I am. Judith Light plays my doctor and Danny DeVito plays my agent, and and then and then George Decay is there and I'm like, who are you supposed to be? And he's like, I'm George Stid and then and then they're like, you gotta the Drama Disk

Awards there tonight. And then George Kay was like, I'll get you there and he pushes me through like on um in a wheelchair, and then he pushed me on. He was sweet, George Decay, Well there's time. I think, let's matt you and I let's pitch something. Okay, Michael, you're you're Todate Ticks sort of ambassador. You're waiting outside the theater with like an envelope. Yeah, You're like, I'm waiting for And then you look it down on your iPad and it's who but Matthews And he says, hey,

I think that's for me. And you say, I don't know who you are, and he says, let me tell you who I am, and he does a whole number about how he's Matthew Morrison and the whole number is just a list of his credit and you say, get the hell out of here. You're not hosting. I am Mike gl you and then Matthew Morrison's and then He's like, oh my god. And then and then how do I get there? You walk in, you walk because because little do we know, we're in front of the theater and

like everyone's like, you're like, excuse me, Michael. And then I'm wearing it to take today, take scar right right right, and then it's a whole tonight. Look, look, take it or leave it. Take it or leave it, leave it. I'll take it. No, I'll take it. I'll take it, take it, take it. I'm committed. That's what we're going to do. You know, it's a first pass. It's a first pass. I understand that by proxy of you being here, we are hired drive for the show. So let us

let us continue to think of more ideas. You get one day of rehearsals in the theater for one day, you know, and and and you know, if you really want to do something that is funny and works, you don't want to just like throw it up to try to do it. And that doesn't want to anything that has a margin of era that where it might not work. I don't think it's worth doing. Thank you for this. I mean, you know that's not the case. You know, we're doing h is a week, sure, but like when

it's one night, Yeah, you gotta get it right. What's the crowd like? They're awesome, awesome, They're not like the people. No, no, they're really really awesome. But but they you know, the they're they're they're ahead of you, you know from the beginning, because they're very clever people. So that's why you can't. Really it's not like putting on a play. It has to be putting on an award show. Different art forms, yeah, totally different art forms a culture number seventy two Awards

shows for leventeen. Was Mary Tested? Right? Good memory? We don't remember anything we say after we say it. I murture the inflection. I called her Marie Test, but you know I actually thought it was Murray. You said Murray Tested Murray to stage. But Mary Tester was in the Government Inspector, the play I did, yes, last summer. What was she like? She's I gonna tell you. She was in the first off broad Ray show I ever saw a New Brain at Lincoln Center in nine remember, and

she was did you Yeah? I'm the year the Year of Our Lord. It was the year and it was Malcolm Gets and Chip Zion and Christian Chenowith and Norman Lewis and Marry Testa and Penny Um Penny Fuller and it was a crazy cast. It was my first off we show and we saw at the at the Mitzi Newhouse downstairs at Lincoln Center and it was totally brilliant, so so. And then Mary Testera was in Sanna Do. And then I saw her. I've seen her and a ton of other things and and I guess I got

to know her well. And then when I got to know her through the through this video we made two years ago, I was nervous because she's yeah, and she's like she could be you never know, because she plays tough characters and she's just she loves the work and she loves to laugh, and she loves actors and she uh is so uh imaginative and she and and in the Government Inspector, she was so clever and she had such good ideas and and was totally brilliant and has

won an award already for it. I can't remember the name of the words Actor's Equity Award. And she she would say things like she was like, I have this idea and I don't know what it is. And she would like sort of explain it to you. And she's like, I don't know, but usually when I have ideas like that, they work. It was like the way she had the idea perfect. Sometimes I sometimes I have ideas that are brilliant,

and she had one. This is remember when um so she played the mayor's wife and I played this guy who comes in and like screws up the town and then leaves and uh, Michael McGrath played the mayor and she played the mayor's wife. And remember when Milannia kept slapping away Trump's hands. So she had this idea that

we would put that into the show. And there's this part where I'm like saying goodbye and it's it's very silly play and very money, and there's I'm saying goodbye and we're all looking out standing very still, and she's like, I think, if if we hold for a second and I and he reaches from my hand and I smack it, it will seem like Milannia and Trump. And it killed. I mean to stop the show for about a week and then it got old because that chaos dumpster fire

of a presidency. You know, people, it just moves on things. You can't really. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's interesting, Like, but while it was relevant, that was probably the best joke in the show. Yeah, but that's so fucked up that the turnover rate is just literally a week before there's a collective a couple of days and people are

just like, what oh that happened? Think about the news cycle just today right, like finding out what's going down that they were looking for access Hollywood specific stuff when they were raiding him the ship with Paul Ryan now saying he's gonna like retire, like this will all be no one will care in three days. Yeah, it's it's it's a three it's a three day everyday news cycle. Yeah, crazy,

crazy crazy. Um. I want to hold on because while you're talking about Mary Testa and strong theatrical women, I thought of something else, which is and this would be the true gag, which is that Patti LuPone played your mother on Ugly Betty. Yes, okay, explain this. How what's the day like where you know that Patty is going to come? Well, first of all, can I just tell you that other people that they talked about the list, she was always on the list. I never I don't

know who they went to and when. But but like when the idea that I was gonna have a mother came up, I was like, who is going to play? And he's like, well, the list is and it was like Kathy Bates and then it was Patty the Pone and at one point there was Jane Curtain Time Daily. I mean that what it made sense, but but I mean I would just remember being like, I am the luckiest guy because it was like when this show was really popular and so we really could get I mean

it was like that. I mean when I was a kid watching sitcoms, which is what I did. You know, I watched a lot of sitcoms when I was a kid. People the mother's was always interesting. It was always interesting, Like oh my god, Carol Burnette plays Helen Hunt's mother on on Matt About You and and and and like those those those relationships are always so fun to see who comes you know, uh, Debbie Reynolds playing Debra Messings mother and so you know, and all the parents on

Sign Feather was just so funny. Who who would end up? You know? It was always so interesting and or could could be a misfire. It's like why why is Marlo Thomas playing the mother. You know, it's like suddenly that they doesn't make sense anymore. And so I was so excited and and and and and the three names that came my way work just so crazy. But anyway, Patting

the pown, of course, was a really good get. And and she was so she was so she was so cool and so imaginative and and and fun and and a pro and and you know, we were really good on that set because we we all got along really really well, the whole cast of that show. And we also loved actors, and so when guest stars would come on, we knew, we knew how to treat them, to make them, you know, have have a good time on and off camera. We knew, like we knew, we knew how to like

showcase them and also uh, you know, celebrate them. And and she and you know, we would watch videos of her. We were like, Patty, remember when we did and it was so and we all loved her. And then and

then when she did Gypsy. I think when she did Gypsy before she did it on Broadway, she did it at Encourse and I think we, like some of us, flew in for it because we were at that time we were shooting in l A. And we all flew in for it because we loved her so much, and and and and and I don't know if you saw the episode, but at the end it has an unhappy ending. She finds out I'm gay. I was in the closet

and she finds out I'm gay and she leaves. Wow, and she never came back, which was a character never got resolution, never got resolution, which is like, which is pretty bold for a show. Well then, yeah, for sure, that was over ten years ago now, and that we were telling that story then. I mean on a show like that, I guess more like on the show because I guess, you know, sad gay people's stories was nothing

new at that point. But but on a show like that work show where everything got resolved, Yeah, that was kind of like a happy, positive show. I mean, it was soapy, but that was just by nature of like where it came from. But that I remember always being pretty upbeat. Yeah, it was. It was silly, it was whimsical, Yeah,

I was. I was a fan of it. I mean, and then I because I have actually from a young young age, like always felt like I think this is inherent in every gay man like just to pull towards Vanessa Williams that I can't describe, but like, and it's so funny because whenever the children have forgotten about Vanessa Williams,

she keeps, she comes back in. She does she stays in the consciousness, Like when she came back and was on Desperate Housewives and was like, there's a new housewife and town and I was like, yeah, yeah, she was just guest judging on RuPaul's drag race, which you also have in common with with her. We have to know about that. That is a really cool thing. Yes, goals and I it was Snatch Game and it was Mad season seven Max sort of undoing her courses, just sort

of a little very memory. Yes, it's right, And it was what's your name? As is a little Richard Kennedy, Pardy Davenport is little Richards and and and Adele and uh Katya was was okay, so take us through, Take us through when when when you're so because you were actually doing the Snatch game like you were one of the I was one of the contestants. You were a contestant Snatch Game and then you went and guests judged, So so what happens when the two days I was

there for two days. Yeah, okay, sorry, what was your take us through it? I was there for two days, and the first day was snatch game, and Rue is dressed as Paul you know, is dressed as a man that day, and and and he had well I don't want to spoil too much, but still the ruse dressed as a boy as you know, um, not in drag, right, but I just like that he was supermodel of the world. Yeah,

um and um. And they're all there, and they were really there's there's like the energy you know, obviously what you see is as this cut version, and the energy in the room was everyone's doing this character at the same time. They're doing their characters at the same time. So there's so much craziness happening. Like if you just watch, you know, they're all in character all the time, except for that at that moment when Max stopped. That was

the only time when anybody like broke character. From the moment I walked in, I think I I think, I think they were there, and then they brought me in and so I walked around the corner and suddenly there's all these these queens in like their own little world and they were so funny and so brilliant and then sometimes not you know, that was also like like because they were riffing, you know, it was it's not like it's not like a real match game where you got writers.

They I don't have writers. It wasn't they were improvising. Well that moment where Max sort of because I'm talking about like on the runway, which yes, that that was on the runway. That's right, that's right, that's right. But even then, like, was that a moment that was just like, oh, like the producer sort of snuck this moment in that waspsed to be off or was that just like truly a bizarre moment whereveryone's like what's going on? It was

a bizarre moment wherever go on. It was like I mean where I'm like looking at people and we love Max. By the way, Max is great. I mean that was it was. It was shocking because it was on the runway. Yeah, it was on the runway later, but it was shocking because Max had been so kind of like stomick and strong the whole time and then to see that was like truly bizarre and you could tell they didn't know how to edit it either. They were like, this weird

thing happened. Yeah, I guess I'll react to it. And and what was weird was that Max wouldn't really say anything. Wasn't like it wasn't so it wasn't like Max was trying to steal the moment, which would have been interesting. It was like Max was just I think Max really was sick or something I didn't eat or you know, I mean he's so skinny, he probably just hadn't eaten. So you're there the first day to watch the snatch game and the other guest judges Tamar, Yeah, come on, yeah,

all right, so that's very cool. That's the whole thing in and of itself. But okay, so then you go back the second day and that's when you RuPaul as in her glory? Yes, yes, what is that? Like? Well, it's you know, I mean, there's not really a reveal, like I like, there she is. You know, it's again

you walk in. There's like there's a reveal on TV, but in the show when you're taping it, there's no real You just walk in and it's like, oh, there she isn't she's And the first thing I think we did was take a photo together on the runway and she was just like stilted there. Yeah, and she she she was a big fan of UM bright colors and bold patterns, so cool about that. And she also came

to see She's come to see everything. She came to see Torge songs, came to government inspectors, came to see Byron Seller and and she and she was on Ugly Betty. So I've met her many times and and I'm always like it. But she's super cool and and always had something interesting to say and and and all the jokes about me that day we're about Barber streisand and know um, but it's you know that that we have to take up. You take your photo and then you do your one way.

We all had our own and then and then they start bringing them out for the for the for the and and and and rue. This is like I did the idea also did UM Project run Away. And you know, like the hosts have somebody in their ear, and I hosted something once where I had something in somebody in my ear. So so sometimes you'll see then like U huh yeah, okay, okay, right right, and they're getting you know, and they're they're learning what what's happening right there, and

they're sequestered. I mean on those shows they're still sequestered and they don't don't allow to have phones in it to live in. Yeah, it's it's crazy, especially at that point it was already in full swing, like it was already like the beast of a show that it was. In fact, that was that season seven was the first year that they were like really taking a lot of social media influential queens on. That was like a big that was like almost a turning point. That was the

first year of like the Instagram queen as a concept. Yeah, well, Miss Fame was the it's on it's a shoot on sound stage, sound stage and they have two or three stages and one of them has the runway and then the other one has the workroom. And it's a set on a stage so crazy, it's probably insane to see that. And you you know, I didn't go in the room, but they have these two way mirrors. All the mirrors are two way mirrors, and you can go back there.

Oh my god, because that's how they shoot. That's how they shoot. Yeah, that's how they shoot in and so you go back there and the queens are looking right at you doing lip glass or whatever, and you know you can't stand right up against them, but they're like, just stand back and they have no idea you're there. And there's no ceiling so you can hear them. It's just an open room with like walls. It's crazy. It was.

That was the most exciting thing for me, was like just being a fly on the wall watching them, seeing how like the sausage gets made. Yeah, totally so blick in Hamilton's reference. There you go. Um, So you are you a big fan of the show to this day? Yeah, I don't. I'm not great. I I you can don't

quiz me, but don't. That was going to be a big part of the show as there was gonna be a test because I I have been lax, but but I do love this show and I did love I mean I love Chanela and we did you know, and I did cocktails and classics together, so we like, I love sch Angela all the time, yes, not just on the show. I actually thought everyone was so surprised she came back and was what she was. I'm like, you guys have not been watching, because like she has been

out there doing it getting she works hard. It's very talented. Oh yeah, I mean if she's not the peak version of herself, then she's damned there close. And she's worked so hard to totally. Yeah, she's amazing. She books all those called projects. Looks, let me tell you this time this new tad called movie so Good. There's like a YouTube he makes, like a YouTube music video movies, similar to there's a song called dem Beats, which is him

and RuPaul. Just go YouTube beats. Okay, there's a fun like glamorous Asian boy with a fan who like dances on the bar. He gets on that bar top and I and that's and I aspired to that. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Wait can we talk about you brought up Patty as being this mother or just the concept of like a

like a character's parents, which of course maybe think about Mercedes. Okay, um, talk about Torch Song, like I mean, any there's just probably no huge changes, but like is mois is still involved, Moses Kaufman the director, It's gonna be basically the same, per same thing, only I think maybe a little deeper, little enhanced by imagine to be pretty much the same.

To fill the Helen Hayes to fill. Actually the theater the Helen Hayes is the stage is smaller than the second stage, and I think the room is actually smaller because the second stage it's a but there's all this space like on the sides and in the front and the back. So the room itself is like a big warehouse that they put a theater in. Helen Hayes is like arrow actually now that I think of it, very small,

but still it was called the Little Thing you. I think you said in your interview that it's hard to play Arnold withoutgoing into like the Harvey like register. I feel like, I don't know, is that is that like a truly like a temptation or is that not really what I mean? I mean, you know, it's it's easy

to hear it. What's it's Actually that's actually a good thing because you know, like it's sort of like it's I mean, I never saw Harvey do it, and I and and I might have may have seen the movie, but I didn't watch it because I just thought and also he's he's so there. I mean, I know Harvey and I know his work well enough, and I now know him well enough to know the spirit of what Arnold was for him, and and that is extremely informative

for me, um to know that. So so because I because there's always something to like lean lean on in a good way, not not not not like as a crutch to UM, I don't think, but Harvey, Harvey's your croutch. But it would be foolish not to. I think it would be foolish to try to not do not not honor him and his and his performance. And he wrote it it's you know, but but there's no way I

could be like him. So and also what's interesting one of the things that that I think, isn't that that that our producer pointed out is that the Harvey that that the Arnold that that audience is needed in two

is different than the Arnold audiences need now. And and especially when it comes to the mother son relationship, because she what she says to you know, she doesn't approve the lifestyle, and what she says to him is um so upsetting to hear now to our audiences the things she said, you know, the things she says like like yes that and and like uh, if I'd known, I

wouldn't have bothered to have you. I mean, she said some pretty and she loves him, you know, it's like and she loves him like it's so it's like and the audience gasps every night. Yeah, and back in the day they didn't write right, but it's I think they're gasping because they think this is something that can't possibly happen anymore, but it's so present in so many people's lives. Be sure. I mean, yeah, sure, that's that's the other thing.

It's like, this is still important. And they may gasp in New York City, right, but my mom don't know. My mom would watch them and be like elsewhere who knows? Yeah that I liked what she said. Anyway, I cannot wait to see it because we actually there was a period where we had I think three or four guests come in. Drew was one of them. Yes, But even after that they all came in. They were like, just a torch song. Incredible, just torch song. You must just

torch song. I wanted to light myself on fire with joy. After it was just like repeated praise. We cannot wait to see it, Um, I can't wait. I I read it back in high school and I was like, this is this feels I feel like, I'm not advanced enough for this. That's so interesting. Had that feeling to right, especially that I don't know if you remember the scene where he goes into the back room, Yes, and International study.

In the International Study, he goes in the back room and experiences what happens in the back room of what does happen for the young Show me what happens, um, and then you can audio describe it. Yes, yes, um, but it's uh. When I read that scene, it's done without another actor, so it's very it's it's very well described in the play in the script, and I remember reading that and knowing exactly what was going on and being like, this is this is this is adult It

was the wild play. I felt the same way that I felt when I discovered like Thom of Finland. You know what I mean. It's this is this is a lot in a great way, Tom of Finland. You know Tom of Finland. They're making a whole doctor. I think they're making some documentary. He's he's that I'm finished artist who like Drew like cartoonishly masculine, muscular game many you've seen them, You've seen them. I'm sure I've seen them. Yeah, they're they're like lovely, bulky and dud right right up

your alley. It's like think like Long Island, but like biker you love it. Yeah, one time. But here's a real story from English class. I was an AP composition and um we were reading um street car named Desire and on the front of stet card name Desire is like Marlon looking all sexy. And my AP teacher was like, what do you think of this picture? And I was like what. She was like, what do you think the

picture is supposed to make you feel? And I was like I didn't know if I was being confronted, like about my sexuality. And I was like uh uh, and she was like really just like asking like like something questioned about the male form or like how it was like supposed to be like like aspirational or something. But it was so blurredline that now, looking back, I'm like, what the funk was that, you know what I mean. She also told our whole class, oh, everyone comes out

in college. Everyone will come out. You guys will all come out in college, and were of course it was I mean like it was just so it was every day was like in a front. Well. She was saying that she was playing. That was played for laughs. The way she said that, she was like, everyone comes out in college. Just you wait, everyone look around. Matt Rogers had to Yu and the fall. I remember I got into n y U and I was so excited because

I was like, oh, yes, I can be gay. And then this girl that I went to high school with also got in and I was like, well, never mind, can't She'll come back and tell everyone that's how I mean, you grew up in Texas, you know. Yeah, but I had an older sister who was gay, so it was okay. But um, so it was a lot easier for me. Um, But when did you graduate from high school? I graduated from high school. Stopped it. I just threw up from

my mouth. Little stop. That's because if a teacher had said that in my high school, right in my day, have a teacher had said that, that would have been very scandalous. Yeah. I think we were all thinking we were all being very liberal. Um in the moment. In the moment um, but yeah, I was like, I don't know, the island is a little bit. It's very conservative, right, don't really get that. I mean they think it's New York. It's a blue state. But it's conservative. Well, Staten Island

went red. It's not the same thing. No, it's not. It's not the same thing, but like the attitude is. I mean, I would imagine that Okay, baby s a T word. My a p com teacher would have loved you, um analogus and he had said analogous. Um. I did get a five on the ape contest, good for you, and a hundred on the regions good imagine. I was like, I'm really dumb appressively so I'm analogous um. But yes, no, um, listen, we've all come a long way since high school. We're

all here just gaying it up on this pod. Well I went to it was such a big high school that, uh, like, there weren't really bullies in my high school because there was so many people. You couldn't really you know, like he would stay in your little groups and it wasn't everyone knows everyone's situation. Unfortunately, were bullies in middle school, but then by that but at the high school there

were no real bullies. So I really just hung out with people from um theater and band, the Freaks, the Weirdos. I played in the band, and I think the band and um middle school and the ninth and tenth grade and then where I'm from, there's a ninth and tenth grade school, and then there's an eleventh and twelfth grade school, which is senior high school, and and everything gets much more serious. And I had to make a choice, and I chose theater. Good for you. What with instrument were

you blow in? Before the decision? French? My sister played french horn. She was so cute people who played french horn. It's a really hard instrument. It is. Yeah, it's all um, you know. Yeah, if you unrolled it would be like it would be like three miles long, and and and and and I was Originally I was a trumpet player, and I was not very good at the trumpet, and they needed people to play french horn, so they asked me to and you filled in that. But I was so bad at it. I was really bad. But I

really liked it. I loved playing. I love being in marching band, especially for you. I played the clarinet. I was a trumpet boy. I was a trumpet boy for like a second middle school and then our band teacher in middle school, follow us high school, and then he was on grinder when I went home when I was like, hi, Mr Kay, So you didn't say hi to him on side high and just in a very casual like, oh my god, I'm put way and he's doing great. It was just it was a very fun like the conversation program.

No no, no, no, Mr Kay is doing great. Now. I won't use this say his full name, but it was I think you did earlier, Mr Kay. I'm just mr. We'll go back in the edit his initial name. Okay, okay, yeah, that's really interesting because I had a band teacher. Huh wait, can we say this now, Michael. You don't have to you don't have to say no, say it. He was gonna say, what can we say it? Say it? Well, I won't say his name. The band teacher reach out to me recently. He was my band teacher for one

year only, and I thought it was very nice. But I haven't thought about him in twenty years. Really, Oh my god, it was very nice and very nice teacher. Um. And he found me on Twitter and he said I'm coming to see torch song and bright colors and bold patterns. And I was like, he lovely dead unless he's not gay. And then he just thinks he's coming gay talked to me. We talked and he gay. Well I I looked. I was like, well, what else does he do on Twitter?

And it's all drag race and he likes that and uh, you know, so he's on Twitter as himself so like me, so he's out and which is also like you know that you know that he could because we were teachers that I knew that I that were gay and you couldn't be gay? Um, because then it's a whole controversy about why is that guy person teaching my can? That's fun, that's a fun character. I'm gonna rock this character up. What that gay person teaching my can flute? That my

kid's gonna learn flute from a straight man? I can? I can just I can picture what do I look like the gout that you have? Um, that's lovely. Wait okay, really I pictured myself as really hot as that character, like stunning, but a guy like looking like looking German mulroney, honey, let's looking like ms Dermott, Oh my god, ms Dermot like in Denham Yeah, acid washed white beater and demon and Jack yes, but looking Dermott in the face and a Mullan and fun. I don't know why was the

hottest person I could think of Dermot mulroney. I guess it checks out. Yeah, he's up there and really you think, oh my god, kind of kind of yeah, I see it. I'll take a strong nose, the strong brow, one of those face match apps. You're getting him. I would love to get that when I was in high school. When I was in high school and I got Robert pass I see that back when he was like all over the place and we were doing our hair the same way.

I used to get him all the time. He was doing it like you all right, right right, all right. He saw me at my bus boy the job at the at the crab Shack one time. I was like, I think that's the way I'm gonna do my hair. Well, what's going to catch on with the team guys? But sparkly, Yeah, do you get I don't get anybody? You get? Who? Do I get? No? One? People? I was leading you into an answer. I truly don't have one, like that's normally would just fill in the blank. I just I

don't have one. Somebody said Zachary Quinto to me one time, and I like that, that's fun. I really appreciated that eyebrows. I see it. Who do you get, I mean your yourself? Whatever? Who do you get? Are you Michael Urie? And you're like, you look like that guy a ugly Betty And I'm like, like, no, you're way too old. But yeah, people have said that. I mean, do you get any other celebs? Do you think I can't remember? I used to? I mean I feel like I used to get Oh. J C. He's

hot from incenc he was on this side. I have totally asymmetrical phase. So on one side, I'm a leading man, but on the other side of the character I love that walks into a room a new casting office. Hi, how are you like on one side of the face for the part? Exactly depending on what I need? God a verse face. Yeah, you know who? You remind me of an energy. I don't know if you know this person, but you do. He reminds me of Lee over Tree,

The over Tree. Oh, he wrote the musical Found you remind me of He's a good friend of us, and you remind me. It's a very good compliment, good, very good compliment. Yes, Matt loves Lee. I lovely too. We both lovely reminds you an energy like like I supposed to you look like this person. You remind me of this person. That's a difference. That's a whole Have ever

played the game Essences? Okay? So Essences is a really fun game where basically like you explain it like like you pick a person that you all know and then you say, okay, got it. And then you say, okay, if this person were, um a type of color, what color other? And you say this person is red, and then they go okay, and then they have two more guesses, and they have two more things they can ask and then they have to guess. It's fun. It's a fun

little it's a fun game. So someone in essence is different than someone like look, so you think of the person and then other people try to guess. Here, let's play right now. All right, Um, I'm I'm gonna make it an easy one. Okay, I have my person. Um. If this person were a franchise like a movie, I'm gonna say it's Star Wars. Okay. If this person were a Deli sandwich, I'm going to say, this person would be like a really like Ruben sandwich on Italian bread,

like with the works. Got married, testa No, but that's actually really close. Think big celebrity. Okay, Patty LuPone bigger and yes, I said yes, I said that I went there hating. Okay, Okay, we have another question. You have another question. What you just asked was great. You get a one Reuben on Italian. Yeah, I'm saying you asked that was a great deli deli sand which is great. That's a really star wars that means, I mean, I feel like it's a big, big star in an Italian Okay,

I think. Okay, Um, if I was, if I was, if you were, I'm sorry to see, or he were, if this person were, if this person were a a U, if this person were away to die, what would it be a means of death? If this person were a way to die, it would be on national television. They would jump off a cruise liner, oh my god, and they would belt a note as they were the lady got no sea. Wonderful, wonderful. That was pretty good, right, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. It's cathartic. We used

to play a game called we called von Houston. My friends made it up, and you take it. You use a deck of cards and you lick the back and stick it to your forehead and then you ask those kind of qualitative questions, right, what's one? Yeah? And somebody had like a nine and and and they said I'm a clothing line and they're like, you're Von Houston And that's how the Von Houston. They're not even one of

our sponsors. No, we have new sponsors. We are all kings, I'm sure and queens and queen's Um, should we move on? It's time to move on to We have a new segment. I don't know if you know this, but this segment is called voice meam, oh you bitch, where a favorite friend of the podcast will send in a voice memo and uh, you know, hi, spin a little tail and it looks like I'm our person who's sent in the

memo misunderstood the assignment. So our friend Patty Harrison, uh, you know, former guests, great comedian, great comedian, she sent us, Um, she sent us a memo. But then she immediately said, oh ship, that was That wasn't meant for you guys. That was for someone else. And you know we were we were told not to play it, but we are going to play to play it. So um, This is from Patty Harrison. And again this was not meant for us, but we shall. We will play it anyway. I go, hey,

mom Um, I just wanted to call. Oh. Sorry, leave you a voicemail. Umm. I wanted to say that I miss you and I'm sorry I haven't called recently. I've been really busy with work and the day to day stuff. I don't want to bore you. I guess um, you know. I I know people think I'm weird, and but I don't. I don't know, I don't care. I struggling. I wish I could hear your voice again and in person instead of having to hear it through your voice mail message.

It's been six months since you've died, and hearing your voice on your voicemail is all I really have left. Oh, and I don't know. Okay, I know people think I'm crazy for leaving you in this voicemail, but sometimes it helps. Sometimes it helps me feel not so crazy. I never thought i'd lose you, and wow, this is I'm This is so hard and I can't keep leaving your leaving voicemails in your mailbox because it's gonna get full soon.

But I just I wanted enough if you had the seventeen dollars that you borrowed from me before you passed, and if there's any way that I could get that back. Doesn't understand how I miss you so much and you're passing rocked my world and shook me to my core. And also I really need that seventeen you know, um, you know when you asked me to parts seventeen to

get contact solution. I remember at first I said now, because I didn't think you were going to give it back, and also that you are terminally ill, and that I kind of predicted that you would die before you can pay me back. But I gave it to you animis because I had hope. I hope that you would get better, even though I knew it wasn't gonna happen, and sadly I was right. Oh so, and I guess I'm never

that seventeen back. I don't think she's going to get it make a VENO request, So if you can open that up from wherever you are the payment, that would be great because I myself need contact solution because my contacts are getting pretty dirty. I know after you left, I'm having a real hard time taking around myself. M MF. I've been dunking my context in my own hot little lass little as really get them all wet that way, but making them dirty. Weirdly enough, it's making them dirtier

and text back in my eyes. That is when things go bad. I get why doesn't get the kind of infection and both of my eyes. So I've got two infections and that's mainly because you know. Some would say that's mainly because I've been putting contacts in my asshole and been putting them directly into my eyes, and okay, but I think it's because I had a mom who fell through one a favor. I don't want to be Patty.

Don't know. People already think I'm crazy. I'm standing here in line at Tivana having this conversation with you, and everyone's staring at me and pointing at me and my amazing tits and my big fat ass and my little little waist so small. Mom would be so proud it's got smaller since you've died. I don't know this is going a little long. I don't want to fill you. I love you, and I miss you every day, and I hope to join you soon. I love your mom. Wow, that was a voice she is. But you know what,

I feel like all her problems are very fixable. I mean it's it's I'm genuine, I feel I feel for her. I just don't know what she what the aim was there? Her mother is not going to give her the seventeen dollars. Yeah, no, she's not getting. No, she's not getting. And Patty, if you need us to spot you, we can give you the money. Patty. Okay, best, Well that's that's our voice memo, you bitch for this episode. Yes, thank you, Patty Harrison.

Now let's close this. Let's close this out. Let's let's do some I don't think so, honey, Let's do some I don't think so, honey. So this is the segment you all fucking love, which is where we take one minute to rail against something, anything at all, in culture that is bothering us. It can be a pop cultural topic, it can be you know, oh my god. You know what we didn't do. We wouldn't ask Michael the question and what culture? What? What was the culture? You write? Okay, quickly,

what was prepared? So sorry, okay, well ask the question, okay, Michael, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me, which means what was the piece, what was the cultural relic for you? It could be it could be a movie, a book, a play, anything at all that made you think I'm going to move in a cultural direction in my life. Um, that's a really interesting question. Thank you. I like it a lot. Thank you so much. I'm so glad you remember to ask you. Um, it

was the movie Batman. Michael, here you were born. I was born after, right right after, right after the Keaton. Actually I was conceived during watching the Michael Keaton Batman. It was kind of a cultural turning point for you to absolutely one place. Once my mom saw that jawline in that suit, she said, get me home. I'm being Kim Bay singer tonight. Okay, gorgeous, Okay. Weren't Batman the

movie Batman? I was nine years old and or eight, I can't remember, but I saw it in the theater and and and I love Batman because of the TV show with Adam and Adams sees a Romero as the as the Joker and Burgess Meredith is the Penguin and all that stuff, and the toys. I had the toys, and so I love Batman already, and so when the movie came out, I was very excited. And also my dad looked like Jack Nicholson. So it's all this stuff swirling around. Yeah, there's a lot of tons, like a

lot of stuff. And I love Beetle Juice, which had just come out right before he did, is a big one. Nice. And so did you continue to like the Batman Tim Burton Batman's and then the Joel Schumacher Batman's I yes, the second the Tim Burton Batman returns his excellence and Batman Forever is okay, it's fine. Batman Robin is a true disaster, but beautiful in its own right. It is

come on, okay, I'll tell you. I'll tell you the gag of Batman and Robin Alicia Silverson's sleepy performance Uncle Alfred, her running out Uncle Alfred. It's fun. She brought a little bit of share horrowitz, Oh did she a little bit? Miss Silverstone was doing share horrow. It's a lot in the nineties. I love. There was a moment in that movie where they're writing a motorcycle on a statue and they jumped from one statue to another statue on a

motorcycle statue the size of a skyscraper. Yeah yeah, and that's not even in the top ten things that are like what is going on? What about the nipples to as well? They were in Forever there Ms Kilmers with Ms Kilmer and Dr Chase Meridian Nicole first, my first intro to Nicole really and and Dr Chase Meridy and Jim Carey's the Riddler says, and what a grand pursuit you must be. Oh, he's very good in that. He is very good. Tommy ly Jones is the speed bump

in that movie. He's a little out of control, Little Tommi ly Jones is Tommy Jones amped up, isn't back? You gotta have him the fugitive at the Fugitive, Yeah yeah, Tommy ly Jones kind of sitting back in his own staunch in his truth is what I want. I don't want a comic book film totally. And then thank god for Aaron at Cart to ground that character. Do you remember the glamour, the glamour of Nicole Kimmon giving you the kind of Veronica dr stunning, stunning. I think that

might have been a moment of culture for me. Is like looking at like the VHS cover of the movie and seeing Nicole kim in and being like, I'm her, you were hurt her abouelle pipe for Batman returns. I don't think I knew I was her yet. I don't, but I would become her later. But but looking at Nicole, I was like, oh, I'm I'm her. Wow, Wow, very good. I don't know. We talked about this on another podcast the other day. I had like I had like a

fixation on damsels and distresses. Yeah, damsels in distresses. I had a fixation on the damsel in distresses. But I always wanted to be there and like especially when they looked like that, like miss Nicole was stunning. And I remember I always wanted to be in a scenario where I was in one tube and someone else was in another two and there was a releasing moment and someone had to make a choice and they picked me choose

both because I am both. Yeah, right, beautiful experience. It is experience, yes, But the first Batman is was really That's when I was like, this is I want to I wanna I want to think like this, And you know, then that movie came out, it was thought of as very dark, yeah. Yeah. And then the Christopher Nolan when came along and is actually great. When you look back at their Batman with Michael Keaton, it's Michael Keaton is serious.

I guess it was because we knew Michael Keaton as a comedian and then he played Batman and he was very serious. He was a comedian before that, he was in Mr. Mom and and Beetle Juice and stuff. Yeah. I always forget that goof And then he did Batman and he was like serious Batman Bruce Wayne and and so people thought it was dark. There needs to be a degree of humor. I think in those movies the Christopher Nolan wants. Even those they had like there was

something about them. There was like some cheeky stuff in there, like what like I don't know, remember the scene where like um uh, Christian Bale is like tucking hath a way on the roof and then he turns around and she's gone and he goes. That happens to me a lot or something like oh no, he goes. So that's what that feels was like or and I was in the audience like yeah, yeah, no, that that was a good joke. I remember that. That was it. I did

think of my impression, that was very good. But they weren't. In the first Batman there was Batman beyond that or whatever. It wasn't there anything funny in that. Actually, Katie Holmes, they scripted that as a comedic performance. She just didn't nail it. Maggie gyllen Hall goes for it and hilarious comedic toward Force, She's like, She's like, He's like, I'm meeting the commissioner tonight. He's like, She's like, oh, Jim Gordon,

he's a friend. Actual, yeah, wow. When that when she blew up in that movie, I gained so much respect for that movie because I was like, no other super would ever kill off exactly. They would never dr Chase Meridian, would never hit the rocks. Sure that that was That's the same character, Katie Holmes, and maybe so they replaced her. They killed her, that's what they thoughts. And then they replaced her with Ha And then of course what was also in that movie was Ha, which is miss Mary,

miss Marian who who did? She actually shades that movie a lot in interviews. Do you want to know why why she goes? I gave them a lot of takes of me dying, and they used the shittiest one, Like the way she dies in the movie is like, like, it's really shitty. And she says in interviews, like several interviews, she's like, yeah, I don't like to talk about that movie because the take they used of me dying is so fucking insane. She says, it much more like in

French than I could ever could. But like and then she was like, and did the two towers and did the twin towers? Actually she's famously yeah, it's very funny. What about the new bat Man? Oh, Hard passed? Haven't seen Justice League? Haven't seen that hard Justice League? There was Suicide Squad? Was he in that for a second? I don't know. I'm not I'm not a Ben Affleck fan, um and I don't. But I don't think that's that's fine, that's fine. It's my right to not be a Ben

Affleck fan. I don't know. It's you're right, and you're right. It's my right and right. But the thing is, I we'll go see the movies because it is Batman, and I enjoy the other people in the movies, like I love him, I love hims. Golf's good, but I did see Joel and I saw Justice League and we liked it. But he is not He's not Batman. He's just not Batman. You know what I like about that what they did

in Justice League, But not a lot. But I did like that Batman was old and yeah, kept getting hurt fun. I will tell you this, He kept like me like you know, yes, he was going through it. And also very interesting there's a scene in Justice League where him and Gaul are like down and like the bunker and he's like, let's have a drink and he pours himself a scotch and let me tell you, he brought himself to the part. He poured himself a quite drupel. Honey.

He's like, let's have a casual drink. And I was like, oh, my proper work is the most truthful thing. It was fucking crazy that the size of the drinking part himself and he and he goes like would you like a drink? And she's like no. And you could tell this a little bit of performance, which is like, oh God, just gus really diving in. But you know what I also like in that movie is Green Lantern. No, I'm sorry,

the Flash. Yeah, And also he was hot, yes as cute, yes, funny, and then Billy Crudup who plays his dad, so good, give it to me, Billy Billy. Have you seen Harry Clark and Harry Harry Clark One Man Show playing at the theater? I never, I've never seen him on posters. Very good. I love him because he was in a movie, um about that I used to watch all the time in high school, The Runner. Yeah, he was also which is also miss marian marian Um playing the French wife.

Um wait, wait what were gonna say? Mr Billy Crudup was in a movie called Without Limits, which is a really good movie about the Fonte and a famous distance runner. And I ran tracking high school. So you're like the Flash. I'm a lot like the Flash Flash. Yeah, when you put me in the suit, my body looks exactly like that. I in fact, I told them stop using my body as inspiration for these two guys. You know what, I'm my celebrity dopper ganger, doppleganger. It's coming back to me?

Is Billy crude Up? Oh yeah, I see, I know it's Billy. It's more it's like middle aged Billy like post not even middle age. It's just post almost famous Billy, that's my that's my doppelganger. Okay, let's do I don't think so so yet again. I'll explain. It's one minute when you take it to rale against culture, that was like a disgusting conglomeration of words in a side. You know what I don't think so, honey? Is so? Um? I have one? Do you want to do? You want

me to start this time? I would love it if you started. Okay, do you want to phone? Okay, so this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, and his time will start now. I don't think so, honey. The Senate Judiciary Committee, the Zuckerberg hearings, or the one Zuckerberg hearing they had yesterday was a fucking joke, or and Hatch, you're fucking busted. You're an idiot. He asked Zuckerberg, how do you expect to keep to keep a platform

that's free? And then Zuckerberg literally like his robot brain glitched out for a second and he was like, will you run ads, sir? Like how is how is Congress supposed to hold the tech world accountable if they don't understand how these products sessions go off, Queen, it's a joke. Chuck Grassley, you're fucking busted. Two year old Aid wrote you your opening remarks and you could barely read honey off, We're gonna put you go back to Iowa. And you know what, I want you to just just blend in

with the corn or whatever goes on over there. I want you to like literally just like go back to once you came and just like I want your ashes to be spread into cornfield. That's beautiful, and I wish you the best. And that's one minute. I wish Chuck Grassley the best, even though he's a poison. And I have yet to sit down and watch the Senate Judiciary. They're boring, but like they are, they're boring, but it is staggering how how inept they are. They don't get it.

They don't get it. They don't get it at all. They're like, so, so they're like, why can't so what's the top eight? Well no, no, no, shut up, um, someone, how do I change my top eight? Who's Tom? Everyone everyone is like every today was the House, but yesterday in the Senate, everyone was just like, well can't you can't you monitor every single data just transaction, and like Mark Zuckerberg had to be like, well, no, you don't

understand that we have two billion users. There are billions of these like communications and transfers every single second, Like there's no way we can track all of these and that we know where this is all going. And like these people just don't get like the people who are supposed to sort of in some way legislate this don't understand how it works. It's got to be very frustrating. It's it's sad. Anyway, I wanted to I just wanted to read Chuck Grassley and or in Hatch to drag her,

drag her. Those two are really really old, real old. Oh they're so old, they're really old. Not to be agist, but Chuck Grassley, girl, you've gotta moisturize. Bitch. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, and his time starts now. I don't think so, Honey. Instagram pushing all the first traps to the top of my feed. Bitch, Okay, you are really trying to get me the act a fool and slip and fall into some d m s. I get it. Everyone looks good right now. Notice I

don't say I don't think so, honey. People posting thirst traps because I feel that you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Honey, I don't think so, honey. Instagrams for trying to get me to look foolish because nothing. Literally I'm on the subway getting here and I pulled out my Insta game and the first picture was the guy I went on a date with a long time ago, like with the nipples out. I was like, oh my god, it looks good. And before I double tapped, I was like, no,

you act like a crazy person. I was, and I stopped myself. I was just like everyone relaxed. Instagram. I think that we need more pictures of flowers. I think we mean more pictures that are going to temper the situation. The situation meaning me hitting up literally everyone in my feed. I'm single going on a year now, um, and the thing is I'm nervous about making here. Here's the thing. Everyone's posting their thirst traps right now. I think a

spring is sprung. Yeah. But but but you're blaming Instagram. But I'm blaming Instagram because it's almost as do you think Instagram watches me and sees what I like, that's absolutely what's happening matter the fact that you're liking the thirst traps, which means that Instagram has like literal algorithms to be like, oh, this is a picture of a shirt. They're like, oh you think so absolutely? You think they know that specifically, Yes, it's the whole. It's the whole

they know. That's what this whole hearing is about. That. It's all about how how people they show you exactly what they want you to see. I was just talking to the people about um last night. I was talking to the producers of torts song and about online ads and they can they can chappen. I'm just a little chapp chap. They can. They they will uh, they will find out who you are and what you like and what you are, and they will uh and what you are you are and they will cater ads to you.

That's I'll get a different ad than my parents. Well yeah, right. I had a phone conversation one time, I think with you where I mentioned some products or you know what. It was mac Weldon because we did ads from mac Weldon, the like men's clothing company for a little while. And I'm telling you, I never searched. Mac Weldon never did anything. It was like a conversation we had had before we were doing the ads. Then popped up all over my

Instagram mack Weldon, mac Weldon, mac Weldon. It was almost like they I said it in my phone. It heard me say it, I mean. And then also you know that, like it's all connected. So someone that you even look up on Instagram comes up as a suggested friend on Facebook. Yes, you got you gotta read up on this, on this stuff, baby, this, this is what word, this is what the whole thing

is about. Someone I know who works in TV said they had a meeting at work and they were advised by the producers of the show to tape over their camera. And they were like, is that a real thing? And they were like, more than likely it is a real thing. Yes. You watch Black Mirror. I'm too freaking scared of that. I watched the Blaite Bryce styles Howard episode that's a really sad one. There's an episode about it about a camera,

a computer camera that is very messed up. I heard the episode that came out this year with Kristin Miliotti and like the Star Trek one I heard that was really good, fantastic. Yeah. I love miss Kristen. Oh yeah, she's so good. I gotta watch it. I gotta watch it. I would like to watch it too. I just damn it. It's very Did you watch Handmaid's Tale? I made it through four episodes of it, and it got to be overwhelming because it's so upsetting. It was so much. I

felt like it was real. I mean it really did at the time. Yeah. I mean I remember reading the book like five years ago and being like, I can't do this. So that's my relationship. You know what I'm trying to read right now, A Little Life. I'm reading like three pages at the time. I tried. I got it for Ryan, for my partner Ryan for Christmas one year. I was like, you you like this? And he suddenly he like, He's like oh great. And then suddenly it was on the shelf and I was like, did you

finish it? And he's like, no, I can't. I can't, I can't. And then and then I just went on a reading kick and I was like, I'm gonna read A Little Life because everybody I know was like this is And so I picked it up and I get one page in and I'm one page. I said, I'm not going to thirty. I almost had an anxiety attack on the plane. Yeah, I can't. I was like, I can't not do this. I was crying. Yeah. The person next to me was like, I can't get it together. I'd like to read End of the World books. My

sister and I trade End of the World books. That's way better, that's actually to me than like then like looking into my soul. I'd much rather like imagine what I would be like in a in a scary situation than read about what my life is really like. Okay, but not way. You're still confronting something about yourself. I think so. Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. Michael. I support that. Um, okay,

this is Michael Euris. I don't think so when I support this, I support this, Michael Lary, I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. How can he possibly president? This man has so many scandals, he has broken so many laws. There are so many dogs sniffing up his ass right now. Earth is he supposed to even think about Syria? And how are any

of us supposed to believe that he is? How are any of us supposed to trust that anybody is president right now, that that he can possibly and how can anybody have a conversation with him without talking about the myriad scandals that he has going on? And how on earth is he thinking about what we need about about our health care, about our taxes, about about our infrastructure, and and and and the roads, and the and the things that he has promised and the wall. Let's even

talk about the crazy things he wants to do. How can he think about those when literally three times a day he's the top story, breaking story, and it's about how illegal his activities have been. Oh gorgeous, And that's one. Did you see CNN reports he's more popular now in the last two weeks his popularity, he's like it went up like three or four points. Some the funk? How was it the raid? Well, here's the thing, probably because it couldn't have gotten lower. I don't think. I don't

think it's that wouldn't have been the raid. The raid must be next because the polling is behind in that. Oh right, right, right, right, right, Um, we have yet to see that. The response of America to that, I don't know, but CNN, who I trust? They said his popularity is up, while Republicans like like it doesn't look good for them. I mean, Paul Ryan today announced he wasn't huge, and Paul Ryant is what twelve years old? Has fifty more years that he could? Mean, we see

how old these people get. We see how old or and Hatch and Chuck Grassley are and Ms McConnell like he he has fifty more years. She's only forty eight years old. He could be Senator for another thirty forty years. I'm sorry, Congress. He could be representative for another uh thirty or forty years and he is leaving because it's such because he has such a little chance because he stood by this man for two years. No way he

could be president now. It was all he wanted. He didn't even get what he would He didn't even like bring down the deficit, which is the only thing he wanted to do. This tax plan is a is bullshed. I think he would have he would have stayed in if the polling in his state wasn't so bad. I was in Wisconsin doing I did a Paul Ryan like impression.

I did like a thing as Paul Ryan for this like nonprofit and it was We talked to a lot of people in like Madison, and he is not popular at he was he was probably gonna just resign anyway and not seek re election anyway. But people were saying that he wasn't going to do until after mid terms. But now the fact that he's announcing it, that he's that it's coming out before the mid terms must mean that he's getting really bad internal he's like, oh, I

have no chance he's gonna run and then resign. What they were saying so that at least it wouldn't like create this Paul over the rest of the party going into the elector. His name is Ryan. Honey, there's a Paul. And it's because of the absence of Paul. There you go, and you know what, here's the thing. Everyone's just like they smell they smell blood in the water. Well no, no, no, no, it's just if Trump fires Rod Rosenstein and then goes

on to fire Bob Muller, then like it's done. He can't fire It's I mean, but like, how many clear how many clear instances of obstruction of justice do we exactly? It's like they're already all there. It's like, but this is just the I mean that would be like the actual moment of political suicide, where it's like, Okay, you

actually sucked yourself over. This is blatantly because if he fires Rod Rosens and then puts in, oh, I don't know, Jared Kushner, then Jared Kushner could either fire h Mueller or when Mueller's report is made, not share it with anybody. Yes, because it's up to the attorney the attorney general, but

the attorney general to share that information. Right. But then it's like, but then whatever happens like post mid terms, like if Democrats skin control of both houses, and it's like, okay, you're impeached by But also that doesn't have anything to do with b I and sorry that the Mueller investigation doesn't actually have anything to do except that they discovered it and passed it on to they refer to New

York Attorney General exactly. And so now this whole Stormy Daniels rating Michael Cohen thing is actually not necessarily that might that has nothing to do with Mueller. So Muller Mueller's work gets stopped, that scandal might still take him down campaign. Finally, thing which is you know, which is which is how they took you know, they took down al Capone because of taxes. They impeached Bill Clinton because of a blow job, but that that was that came

out of an investigation about something else. Entirely. There's a lot of ways we could get to where we need to get to. It's just a matter of thanks to him breaking every blow he could exactly and are the people around him gonna do what's best for the country and be transparent about the information that's and he's surrounded himself with people that will cover for him. So as we've seen, they will go, they will go all the way down. Yeah, the gorgeous I don't think so, honey.

So many scals. Remember when the whole countries was like a thing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like we forget and now I think I'm I literally think we must be hundreds of scandals deep, like it's every other day, to the point where it's like grab him by the pussy, like stands out as like a landmark one. But that's not even Well that one came back today, Did you

get that? Yeah, because that's Hollywood stuff. Was what they were looking for, because yeah, it seems like Michael Cohen tried to pay pay whoever had that tape off to suppress it. Yes, that was what came out today. Let me tell you, today was a hot day for the View. I said, today was a steaming hot day for the View. I haven't watched it today. Primary source of news, the View. I love thee I love the View because today was Mariah Oh right, very proud of you, Maria. Proud of Maria.

Come on, come with the truth. The truth will set you free and put it in the music. Girl, That's why we love you. Um, we welcome you back, holding honey with open arms. She didn't. Oh, I started too high, honey, so now come to you had to add a little different Maria. Course. Um. Anyway, hot day for news, on the hot day for news. Can't wait to see Megan's take. Okay, well, thoughts on Megan Cane. He looked away. He looked away. She's a tough one. I try so hard. I try

so hard. I want to I wanna, I want to understand. But then she said, um, my celebrity crushes Paul Ryan, and I was like, fuck you. Yeah, she said they were talking about their celebrity crushes and like Sonny and I think, um, what's her name is? Sarah Haynes were like, we like Idris Elba and they were in the audience is like and then Megan goes, I like Paul Ryan and they were like and there was like a groan

from the audience. It was so fun. That's really good. Um, I mean, come on, this was what a black can we say? Shout out to Dan Fortune for having the best clients, Dan Fortune Papasist Extraordinair and this has been so fun. Guys, this is a good podcast. It was so much fun. Well, I mean, I mean the whole thing,

not just my episode. Thank you. So we've both been a fan for a long time and we cannot wait to see you in Torch Song than you and um, we didn't talk about bright Colis and both patterns, but it was truly incredible. We just closed on Sunday. We filmed it. It's gonna be on Broadway HD y yes sometimes, and Drew came back and did that. Yes. So Jeff closed last week and then Drew came back and did a week and we filmed it for Broadway HD on Monday, and it's gonna be out sometime this summer. It's so

great to see two. I'm telling you nightmare nasty, just nasty, not nice, not I mean the talent whatever. Yeah, but no to glorious, gorgeous. I know when you to direct them, the egos, the ledges, I talked them all unbelievable. Thank you so much. Want to do this alright, So this is last coach you guys. We're gonna be out in Los Angeles and we're doing a show on June twelve at Echo Plaque. I thought somebody remind me of wait, what your essence me? Yes, and you kind of look

like him. He's this friend of mine who is very funny, very adorable and one of my favorite people. We're gonna look at, We're gonna look at miss Ficus. And that feels like a compliment. So thank you, Michael. I think it was a deep compliment, deep compliment. Yes, absolutely, we're in l A. We're in l A on the twelve, honey. We're in San Francisco doing Clusterfest on uh June second, and we'll be at Vulture Fest, may I believe. Well, lots of really fun stuff coming up. You guys, so

so fun, love you so thank you so much. To Michael Eury. Let's close out with the song yeah so now, Yes too much, I'm so sick gorgeous, Bye Bye. This has been a forebber Dog production, executive produced by Brett Boham, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Podcasts dot com and subscribe to our shows on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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