"An Honest Conversation”

the deal. When was the last time with Darcy? We were in person for dars But this is a very distinctly different vibe because Matt and I are sitting in this beautiful table in our wonderful home, in our quartershore home in Fire Island, in the Pine. The address is to do just kidding, leave that out, Doug. We don't even have the we don't have it. We don't have the team here. Oh my god. This feels like, well, no,

we've never done this without the team. This sur first time flying without the fucking wheels, without the what like flying without you know what's interesting? You started the conversation, we started talking, and you said I can't believe the love I see, And that called to mind Jordan Sparks, who famously on the song this is Mine Now, she said, I can't believe the love I see. And then when you said flying without feel, recalled Reuben Stutter. But don't

change the subject. You got nominated for the Emmy. And and I'm very grateful. I've never been prouder girl. The way tears, the way tears were streaming or streaming over all over the Sandy Beaches, a fire on Fire Island, the way that I felt true love for everyone at us, to know, specifically the people who craft that show, the crew, the cast, the writers. You can't live without them. You

can't live without the writers. And can we say the scream we let out when we saw the words eight Ryan Shrill, Brant Trill, actress, outstanding, the natural, I had to scream my ass Can we say deserved? Oh please? The subtlety, the the grounded, the comedy, the It's best season and that story is so so, so so so perfect and hard to tell in terms of them wanting to do it in the grounded way that they wanted to. I mean, like that show, you watch it and you

do feel I do feel very comfortable. I'm like I'm there in Portland, I'm in a fantasy virtue. You feel that you're feel that I'm about to go to Pop Poc to eat a delicious meal. Say that, say that they bill that, say bill that they build that. This is a bit. We've been doing that sort of I can think on the lower ends of the bits, can we But you should be cataloged the bits for the readers and joy, I just want to say that this morning to just to sort of do one of the bits.

I would say this morning, my rose was seeing that my sister got nominated for an Emmy because of how hard I know that you work, and how much much of a star you are on your show and you are in his history. You are the first featured player ever's been nominated. And that is my rose. And I was snubbed and it's disrespectful, and Hollywood owes me an apology, and it's my thorn. My snub is the greatest snub

of this And do you agree? I have my back And if I see anybody in the television Academy, including including I will fight. I'm gonna fight you. After this girl, we are throwing hands. And that's my thorn. See me with them nominated hands, you all fight your snubbed hands. And I would say, my rose of this conversation is the love I feel for you, And my my thorn is the fact that you're going to fight me, and I know that, I know that you are an ugly person. Inside.

My rose has been feeling so supported from you this entire time that I been here. Truly, as soon as

I saw your face, I lit up. My thorn has been every time that I've been in the presence of you, I felt the need to violently attack you, for the way you transgress, for the way you transgressed, the way you voted against yourself in a way, can I say that my thorn my rose rather has been that I genuinely feel like I've gotten closer to you on this trip, and I didn't think it was possible, And my thorn was when I got closer, I hated what I saw.

I'm so disgusted. I'm discussed. I'm discussed. Do you want to know something I did last night though that we I had not done in our friendship ever. Was I helped you fucking three sheets to the way I carried you. You really wait, I really now? I'm sort of nevern on the beach. I was wasted, you were you fucking fell so beautifully and it was. It wasn't like a bad fault. But your hat kept blowing off your your head, and I said, Matt's don't wear hat on your head.

You should hold it. You have the dexterity of your hands will help you hold onto the half. And you wouldn't listen as usual. But then you you you tripped over yourself, and you really made a meal of it. You really made a meal of the fall and said I can't go on. I didn't. I did not think I could go on. I also want to say, like, it's so crazy, really because I think the Pride weekend was what it was. And in the fourth of July, I we had a time, but you were not I

was not there. What was? How was your friends? Tell me how your force was? It was amazing. I don't remember it because I've this week I have cracked in half. I'm telling You've been raging every night. And if if anyone on this island wants it, they're they've gotten it, or they're getting it. That's beautiful. I think I don't think you've I would not frame this. I wouldn't use this language that like you've been broken, or that you've

cracked like I have. I told you, I think less than twenty four hours ago, I was like, I was like, you are in the rarest form and I've never I truly I did not think I could love and admire you more as a friend than I do. I'm telling you, and I mean that. It's that's my rose and there is no thorn. That's hut for there to be thorn. Do you know what I think? Because we're looking at roses, but we're actually looking we're looking at we can say,

sort of attackie table at table. Oh my god, we sort of we sort of are seeing some of the girls come in and out the girls. Okay, house, He just scurried back upstairs. But the house is at where we have a one future future guest of the show, Patrick Rodgers, is just kind of walking around. We have a wonderful assortment of sort of um a coterie. I think the coterie is strong this this this week. It's a good group of people. It's it's one of the best groups to be on to be in Fire Island,

and that's period, and that's on period. And I would stack this house up in a fight, yes, with the television or otherwise, well, certainly with the Television Academy. Who fucked up this morning? I don't even know who's nominated for the host who? I don't know. I'm guessing Rue Paul needed a ninth Emmy. I don't watch the show hot Dog watched I deserved. I'm not even this is like like this is I am kidding? I don't. I'm not kidding, Matt, Like what know? You? You were? You

were the reason why people watched that show. You dozens of people watched it. Stop. You facilitated such a beautiful tone and environment for that show and it was really my first, one of my very first like comfort watches during during quarantine, like post summer. I was like, okay, like in the winter, which was when I needed it the most. In the winter, I needed that show. Well, listen the Christmas special I love. I'm saying to fall into winter and the cold months of New York City,

I needed those blankets and anyway, you were fanta. Well anyway, listen, because I know how hard you work, and you work sing hard, bitch, what I will guess you. I will shout out as a girl, Robin, I would say, black, shout out. We got the numbs? Can we can? We actually acknowledge the snubs, though, Let's talk about the snubs.

Z Wayns was snubbed Girls with Snub Girls is nominated for screenplay for the pilot Busy snubs On, Sarah snubs On Stubb Tina fe for guests for Guests played some name of the legend that could play Dolly Parton in this manner. You were snubbed for guest doctor in the comedy for Girls five Ever And I'm so I'm so upset at the Television Academy this morning. But here's here's something we can talk about for future Awards seasons. I love this for you, Oh ship, I forgot about my

own good news. I will never let you forget about what are you doing? I'm gonna light light of blunt. You deserve it. Matt Rodgers is show his pilot that he filmed I Love This for You, starring Vanessa Bary, Molly Shannon, Mama Mama Mama, put put a Patel put Patel. We got Aiden Marie, we got Paul James, and an actress to be named later. But I'm so fucking excited. Congrats to the team and the cast and the crew. I mean, are we look I know It sounds like

a typical show biz like like like circle jerk. But I think this is another instance of Wow. Talk about people who worked looking hard. Vanessa, Jeremy Bailer, you can. Can we talk about the fact that jesse Le Jesse Klein icon inside Amy Schumer icon her book, iconic book of comedy essays, truly one of the superior ones. Oh, we love Jess Mama the way Michael show Walter directed the Michael Shoe Walter, but respect on the name. I'm

standing there. I'm standing there in one of the scenes, and I'm like, there's Molly Shannon, There's Vanessa, There's Michael show Walter. I'm like, what is going off? Earned it? You worked for that, bitch. I'm gonna be a showtime diva and I can't wait. And z a baby use the way and William H. Macy and William H. Macy Darling Darling the Funniest man on televisionniest Man, the Funniest show on television. I love whatever. Well we're gonna also

say because we're gonna be real. A lot of these nominations are flopped down a lot of category from a lot of well, first of all, first of all, we don't have to we don't. I don't think we have to name names. But yeah, when a young girl went to Paris and got nominated for Best Comedy Series, and we're gonna have to say, yes, that's all we can say, unfortunately, because it's too overwhelming to think about otherwise. But but

but of course, congratulations, you know, congratulations. As I sort of ash on the white table, Well, we were talking about the table setup. It's it's a tacky it's a tacky table. It's there are elements of the house that are tacky. I would say, I like the high ceilings. It's love high ceilings. Love the sort of uh simple clean lines that are then broken violently by driftwood beach signs in the bathroom and in the kitchen with your

typical like live, Left, Love Drive. Yeah exactly. We were told billionaires, um, have have one stayed here, And I say that's a lie, and I say, this is a case for the FBI. So we're here with Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson who are upstairs sort of napping, and um, I will say this, the damn landlord really tried it, really tried it. When when we well, we didn't have power for the first I think thirty six hours, not

because of the hurricane, because of the flop behavior. And we have to say entering entering this fringus house, Oh is it one of our kings, one of our kings. It's it's a girl's of our writer, Matthew, who's brought in a case of diet. He's bringing in sort of a case as I looking absolutely stunning. Was the gym great? I mean as usual, you know that basically, what's basically

what's been going on before you got here. It was really because when he first hit the island, it was like you could feel it was like a seismic shift. So sort of everyone would see our group approaching, and you see all their direct and how could it not. My eye goes to him all the time, Connie, My my eye wants. My eye sneaks out of the damn house to go to him. My eye scurries to the beach to see him on it. Um No, I mean a stunning man. Sometimes I just take photos of him

when we have lunch. He is this true? Yeah, I've told you that, right, Matt that sometimes when we have lunch, I just take pictures of you. Yeah. Well, you know I did tell you that. What did you say to me? No? I don't not interested in the taking into that ass anyway. No, I'm just kidding. I'm really respectful and we love to. Should we talk about your overall because I will say as I as I as I said, orlier you have. I've never seen any more in your element than here

particularly happy. But I'm also talk about how you are sort of self defining right now because I feel like you are really enjoying your time and it makes me so happy that you are fully experiencing everything leading with your joy, which is so infectious. But do you feel like a changed person at all? That's kind of what I'm getting. It's a combination of any time I'm around my literal number one who I and my rose of

my life is being close to Bowen Yang. My thorn is that one day one of us is going to die first and that is going to be really shitty after And I just feel like you can't make me think about it. No, I really hope it's me That's got to be. It'sn't live through it the more the greatest loss anyone has ever more, do you ever do that thing of like and throughout our decade plus relationship, I know you've probably done this, Like the people are

really close to you in your life. If you ever, like are alone with your mind for a second, you think about if they ever died. Oh no, I thought about if you ever died one time and I broke down. I literally I had delay in the bed. I was like, I even just thinking about the grief I would feel. I was just like, I am leveled, I will cry. I've had moments not what I've thought about my friend's dying. What what would that be like? But this is an

honest conversation. This is this is last. Culture is just an honest conversation. Okay, Okay, let's put a pin in that, because I do want to talk about I want to explore how we arrived at this concept of an honest conversation. But um, I have had multiple moments that I can so vividly remember, just us that you and me walking down the streets, sitting in the room, sitting in the room, no one's saying anything to each other, in the coupe

in the henhouse. I turned to my friend Matt Rodgers, and I think to myself, I wish everybody had this a friend like this in their lives. Girl, I I want this for everything. To the edge, honey, you have pushed me to the edge of the cliff. You've been at the cliff deer and I can I And so this is the r This is the answer to your question. Long Island for me is the cliff. And so when I'm here, I find myself walking all the way up

to the edge of the cliff. And then I go to Fire Island and understand, it's the closeness to the ocean. It's it's my pisces rising, pisces water. So it's water, water water water. So here we are sort of surrounded by water as is want to do on an island. Um. That's a really cultured water surrounded by water as it wants to do on an island island. And so what's

what rule is that? One number? Um? Okay um. But so when I'm here, I'm sort of soaking in and absorbing like sort of the angst the sort of um difficult nature of growing up here. Slash how much fun I'm having. And also the crew could not be strong there. And it's about energy and it's about it's about you know, sort of being a fun suck abus to each other.

But here's I'm let me illustrate an analogy. Let me know if it makes sense or if it doesn't, and I will you coming, You coming into Long Island in order to get here? Is this is? This is the motion I'm tracking. Okay, you're going. You might feel like you're regressing a little bit. You're going, You're moving back in time. This is I'm revisiting an old version of myself.

And then you get But then as soon as you come here to the island of Fire Island and you feel a sense of relief, it is so powerful that force propels you forward, not back. But you've had you had to get It's like a slingshot. You had to get pulled back first in order to sucking barrel ahead to the person that you were meant to be. I

think that is what it's happening. I think. And the and the people and the vibe and the weather and all those other things wonderful, But those does those make the slingshots shape and you are going the greatest distance. And also just you know, um, alcohol of marijuana. All the girls we shout out to everyone, um, but it is it has been I think my favorite Fire Island trip. And we've had some good one, We've had some I had some great ones, and this this really is up there.

Let's say this. Let's say that you were not here the first night, but the drag that we have seen Jan leveled our gay and collectively at the pavilion, I heard nothing but rave reviews from everyone on the island about the vocals are not a joke and also the jokes she's got Joe and like we were laughing, we were gasping, we were just you gotta see fucking Jan Sport. Okay, and she's not being done justice on All Stars six Okay. I know, I know she had the big whim, but

she's not being done totality and the totality. But overall she she does not come off looking bad. She comes off like Jan Sport, which I mean people should just get over. I don't know what that means, because you know what I realized, No, no, no, it means it means the liam no energy but that. But you guess what about Lea? Michelle can sing her ass off, you

can sing her ass off. But here's the thing this mighty realized when we were watching so then so then I came into the next day and we went or the day after and we went to Tina Burner, and we're gonna get to Tina. We're gonna get to Tina. But I mean, that is a drag performer. There can be dragon artists, drag drag models or whatever, drag fashion you're dragging right now, but you're absolutely right, and drag queens or like if you if you want to go pageant,

there are different like you know, lanes to drag. We all know this. And Tina Burner, like you know, like it has like her wonderful, wonderful legacy on the show, but you go and see her live and it's completely out of the orbital of that complete it's a queen's performing perform I mean, like not in in terms of performance and like the general conceptually, but she's on a

stage entertaining. She's an entertainer and we're laughing constantly. Also, I just want to say Jan Sport like drag queen pop star doing that like well I guess Rose as well, yes, and and but has the appreciation for comedy in a specific way like stand Meg Stalter like since the beginning, like you know, I fucking love Jan. Jan. You're coming on, Jan, You're coming on because you I mean, I I fucking love Jan. I'm Jane. I'm so sorry I missed you. But then let's talk about Tina, well, can I? Yes?

Then Tina on Friday fucking evening that Saturday, it was I forget. That's another thing. You guys like cracked, cracked and half. I don't know what they don't think you're cracked. I think you have good evolved. It's like very evolved. Yeah, it's like I became like the Charmellion version. I think I was already the charm. I'm certainly not the char I think you're on your way to char Ard Honey, sister,

look at me. I think you're I think you're in your chars are I think I'm on my chars If if the title of that the title that didn't have to be an honest conversation, it would have been your charas Ard era, Oh my god, I think you're in Era Honey, can be so powerful. It is so powerful, I'm telling you, And I'm just gonna say getting I got, I mean plowed, you've been and I do think like that. That does it gives you like a jack when you really get fired. Oh yeah, yeah, oh I know exactly.

I'm so happy for you. I'll be thinking about this guy. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna be using and I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say while I was getting fucked, he said the words little bro and wait and leader. If you're thinking, oh, that's awful, think about it. I was like about it. Oh, literally, it worked. So I don't know what can I tell you because you told me that and I was like whatever, And then the more I thought about it, I was like, no,

it's someone called me little bro. Whatever the dynamic is, whatever is going on. I don't care for like ten ft apart while we're both naked. If you call me little broth across the room, even I will, I will. Organ. I'm telling you what it did to me. It's like Mascar speech. It was life. It was Olivia down what you did to me. You wroted my life. You truly rocked my life. I well, I'm speechless now. Thank you, thank you, love, And it is true there is some

angels in this city. And when he said little bro to me during sex, that was you rocked my life. That was Mario. I was doing the Ospar speech in my head, which of course made me come And it is true. There is some fire. There is some fire on this island and it happened down by the river. Wait, that's iconic and we we need it. We've been coming in with great catchphrases all week, but that's a new one. It is true, there is there some fire on this island.

There was some fires, I mean were burning. I was transported and also like you know, I'm not out here like bottom Ie know, but it's there's a something has changed within me. Same wow. I have to also remark, are the in person energy different. Fuck the zoom we I mean we need it. We're gonna keep doing the zooms, but fuck a zoom because this is unbeatable. This is unbeatable.

And even though you know, we're going to hear from the girl who is that engineer Doug, and she's definitely gonna be like, hey, uh, you know, four seconds in there's a full boat in the background, because right now you can hear a boat. We're so sorry, we're on an island and it is surrounded by as they are wont to do um. But anyway, like what I'm saying is you know that that's different and this energy that this is I'm clocking it. We might have to be.

I'm traveling, I'm carrying, and I'm traveling to New York City first of all, more often, because I mean, that's just something too. U's just like I know, the shot the New York Show is worn off. You gotta be here. Oh, and I fully believe that you are in l a Queen right now. And then you've really settled into that city of the environment, and you have your support system and your floor. You're thriving. We have. Patrick Rogers was just talking about moving here and I'm not even stopping him.

But here's the thing. Well, this is the thing. This is what I want to say. You have figured out the balance of those places on yours. It's all about balance. It's all about truly flapping your wings, wagging your tail that's on fire and roaring to the sky. You are You're You're doing you. You have figured out your identities in both places, in both environments. And it's really beautiful to see, I think, because not everyone has the I don't.

I mean, you know, it's well, I'll just you know what let's just get let's just it's an honest This

is an honest conversation. It has kind of sort of been a hard year, like like personally identity wise, like you know, in terms of really ships in my life, things have been up and down of course, and like honestly, just you know, we gotta we have to have moments of clarity such as this and you you and we we think the moments in our life that are a little bit more emotionally chaotic because when you do emerge from said era flop era, flop era. It's so true.

We literally said in our new artwork, We're going into our flop era and then I really, truly, truly do think for a little for a few months there at the beginning of the year, we were in a flop era. You andor no, no, just like I'm talking about, I don't know how you feel, but your energy got much better as the year went on. And at the beginning of the year I was flopped January to m beginning of April, I was very much at a very low point.

And I that's what I'm saying, Like when you were at emotionally at a low point, we call that the flop era, And so now I feel like literally here we are sitting here on our chars are and we are obsessed because you have an Emmy nomination and my goddamn show is going and it's fun to celebrate the good. That's so this leaders, readers, hey, readers, this is the thing. If you're going good, if you're going through a shitty time, right now, we're with Yeah, we've all been there in

some fashion. You will not be defined by your trauma. But when when this, when this stuff is good, you got to celebrate it. This is I gave a little this not this is an honest conversation, conversation the lovely folks that I heard asking to write a little commencement speech for the class of one. I might have briefly mentioned this, that's my whole and I kind of like, I wrote this. I wrote this thing out like very quickly,

and I kind of read it back. I was like, this will do, And at the time I kind of rolled my eyes up my own speech. But like basically what I was saying was just like, celebrate this one. That's like the only thing that matters, because after you leave like a structured place like school, life is not going to tell you. It's like it's never going to give you any opportunities to like really genuinely just like

be happy for yourself. You have to make your own checkpoints at a certain points, and therefore, like you, you create your own benchmarks going forward, like should I have kids, Like, oh, I I can't be happy unless I have a kid, or unless I'm in a relationship, or unless I have this job or thing that I want. Like that's when ship starts really fucking That's when you gotta really tend to your own guarden because after after you graduate, it's like you never really know when to like get at

the confess. Actually, really, I never thought about how going to school they really do set like that is a that system sets up celebrations regularly. Yes, and and and so basic and so yes. My speech was like celebrate this now, but give yourself chances to like keep like triumphing very silently to yourself in your life even when no one's around or or whatever. And I don't know, am I making anything that I mean? This is we

were hung over, But here's the here's the deal. As you were saying that, you know what, I was laughing in my in my head and heart, because I was like, do you remember two weeks go when we were on we were on our toxic ship, We were guys readers. I think that that we said we are we were every word of that episode. But we also know we had she was we were in. There was the depths, there were this, there was the depths. A snake had bid us. We had to suck the venom out, and

that was us sucking at the venom. And we've emerged as a new people, and we stand by the conceptually what we what we said in that episode, but also like we were not those people forever, no, only only for a ninety minutes. And here we are sort of hydrating first of all. And and well then you have to really be careful when you bring water around chars are But that's a whole other conversation that I don't

think we have time for it today. Um, But one thing I will say is that it's never been more clear to me that you have to hydrate, because like it's like when you come to a place like a vacation spot and you are in essence raging when you pee, You're like, oh, that doesn't feel right, that feels heavy and hard. Mom, there's crystals in there. I just know it. And so in order to avoid a situation where you pass a kidney stone, and dear sisters of mine have to have had this happen to them. It's not a

day in the park. To put it mildly, Oh, you must be drinking water. It's rule of culture number three. You must be drinking water. It is one of the most important parts of survival. Well. Food, water, shelter, stream confetti. Come. It's rule of culture number eighteen. Food, water, shelter, stream confetti. Let's talk about music. Let's get into a talk about music. I don't really what what's worth mentioning girl? I mean, just the Can we say, who's really taken over the trip?

Robin Robin has really taken over the trip? Robin We love Robin shod Day has taken over the shot the mood setting that my sister was capable of. The other night when I was out and we were on this bay and we were sort of and by the way, we have to get to the girl. Oh wait, we gotta talk about the girl because we gotta. I gotta shout out my sister, Matt. I didn't know I had power of Oh you were fantastic. It's part of it's in my blood. I think, picture this, this has happened

to me, and I did. I didn't think to myself this is I'm so just purely happy. Right now, we're on the bay, there's a grill outside. I'm with my friends. None of us can cook. We have got a lot of meat. And then I said, I'm gonna give it a shot. And then Josh Sharp says, I think you're I think you're a grilled daddy, Matt. And you said, I don't know about that, and You're like, I know, I genuinely have a feeling. And what did you do

that night? You put out the meats, you flipped them, you got given them the perfect char I've one of the better burgers I've eaten. I have to yet again celebrate on my chars aard grill skills because guess what talk about fire? Talk about fire. Can't even cook without it. I hence the chars. Oh and then so on top of it all, to bring it back to music, yes, album Classic Promise by Shot Day was playing and and reader,

let me say perfect chill summer evening vibe. If you want one while you're doing the dishes, while you're cooking, while you're cleaning, while you're doing laundry. Oh, it's so whatever you're doing. I honestly feel like this is like qvous energy, Like we are selling shot day to the audience, and the readers are gonna be like, baby, we've we've, we've, as the kids say, been new, we beat about day. I was saying, I was, I'm just laughing because I did not expect us to get this deep into shod

and Robin when I kind of was expecting. I honestly, can I tell you something I wanted to I want to know I'm dragging myself. I wanted to transition into music and talk about new music let's come up. But then I was like, wait, I'm dragging myself. I was like, wait what. And also we kind of already did that with with the Dojo cant of it all last episode and two episodes ago. I'm sorry, and um, why not celebrate the music that's happening. Well, Doja did make an

appearance this morning. We actually did do the beause sometimes

you are wont to do that. Absolutely, and also we should also shout out the ladies of the morning show, the Apple TV Plus show that we have been putting on when we want to wind down, and when we watch it, some of the lines, some of the dialogue sort of is so shocking, like when Jennifer Aniston, who's a famously one of the two big stars of the show, calls the whole room of men bozos bozos and then says America loves me, so I own America, And we got a couple of are you done? And just we said.

Jennifer Aniston is stepping on the neck of that script. She is straddling it and writing it. She says, you don't run my day. I run your day. And I really I came in. I didn't. I never I've never seen it before. You've obviously seen the whole thing. It's camp. It's camp. I'm I'm literally during the that boardroom scene with Jeffrey Anson, I go from the show way the way the shot was roomed. I was like, this is very mommy dear, this is very like they done away

in the boardroom. Yeah. Um but I right, mommy dear, Yeah, that bury that And then for sure enough it basically turned into that scene where she's where a woman is yelling at a room full of men and how she's the ship and so I'm like, oh, this is actually knowingly perhaps Camp, I would argue that it is, although some then it gets so we've I think we've talked about it because I think I've told you on the show that I have it fully gone through it with

the show, and that you've enjoyed and that you enjoyed it. Well. The first time I tried to watch it, it was

I was like, what is going on? Because it does like take itself seriously, but also is that and so and it kind of needs that in order to be true camp, like reveling in the bad taste but kind of still still allowing some degree of like this is actually I'm taking this serious and and it's done once you settle it, once you the audience member, the reader, if you were settled into that, then you go on the journey and you end up. And I remember I watched it with my parents. I watched the whole thing

with my parents. This is like the fourth time I'm watching it again. It's insane. What I don't know. So my dad at the end of the last episode literally his eyes got why and he said, wow, that was great. Great. I was like, I agree, it goes there, it goes for it, and you're going to continue to watch. I will continue because it's been on during our Fire Island ship, when we're not raging and stomping, sort of twisting and turning on our chars are the Morning Show has been

on sort of lulling us into a stupefication. I will say, um, just to pay a picture, Um our Fire Island houses very much, just like let's just like sit by the pool, do stupid bits, drink and then we'll go see. We got to talk about head a lot us and bust. We we've sort of and we did. Okay, so sorry, put a pin in everything we've done, because it's disrespectful that we sort of dangled the Tina Burner carrot and then just simply moved on. Tinta burned her, killed it.

Her mixes were so funny, so dancing down, hilarity, drag queen. Don't disrespect, Do not disrespect because you know what you know why I'm talking about she like she's also like on another level and like she's actually been through this probably insane thing of like being on the show. She seemed unbothered. She seemed genuinely unbothered by in a way

that felt I was jealous of I was. I was like, oh, that seems so healthy that like you were able to just like go through the apparatus of like how that show presents you as a person and come out the other side being like, Oh, no, it doesn't matter. I'm still doing my I'm still doing my work as a drag performer and doing it so well, and this is

my thing. This is this I want to say earlier with like the with the Jan is Jan seems like Jan, I'm like, no, Jan is just a great queen, and anyone who's on that show is is at the very least a great queen. Because it's like we see like drag artists like in every city at every level, like like in every sort of style or or you know, like background, and it's just like it's not to lump them all together, but it's like there's validity in any

kind of way. I'm actually doing the opposite. I'm not loving them together because there's validity and every kind of drag And if there's a drag queen who can sing and do musical theater numbers and like all that ship then great. If there's a drag queen like fucking Busted who wears the same dress and wig at every single gig she's done for the last two years and does the Zadaran's jingle as one of her numbers, then that's valid and amazing to like, it's more than just dazing transcendence.

It's important. It's never before seen. It's contrary to reference or nottal reference or not reference. Eat it snorted, fucking lick it up, give birth to it. Another another club, notother club, another club. There could be a people in the room and only one. So I feel like, am I making sense about? You are making perfect sense? Like basically to compare what it is is, let's say it drag race makes you think you know what good dragons

and you don't. You actually don't. Because any like there's like for people who were like, oh, like on I only see Brooklyn queens or I only see the health Titching queens or whatever. It's like, it don't matter, it don't matter, and never damn it never matter. And all we're saying is you like jan being edited as like a try hard on the show and face cracking when she didn't get her musical win. That's because once you hear Jan fucking sing, you'd be doing the same thing.

Now mind you, g G. Good fucking smoked that Madonna challenge, But that's because it was what was for drag race. Meanwhile, if you were in the crowd at the Jan show and she's singing the way she's sang at the fucking Talent Show the on All Stars, you would be throwing twenties. Oh my god one And this is what I mean.

Like to bring it back to another example, Uh, like when you and I went to that Fan Pride think a knockdown Center and all those incredible draftings and kings, and it was like every everything on the spectrum of drag was like presented there. And I thought to myself, every one of those performance as I loved because drag is already incredible to begin with, yes, and also performance

drag whatever. Let's just let's arrive at the top of the mountain and say hey to let us I mean the most like politically incorrect quote unquote offensive like just dour or so you could ever see perform, and she is entertaining, You are crying laughing the entire time. We actually were doubled over. There was a time where I, honestly, this is crazy to say my belly hurt. Oh yeah, my belly. Aaron is saying, it's like that suburban mom thing.

I'm like, I can't feel my cheeks. It's like, wow, that's really good good Aaron and a good suburban And I don't know. I'm sorry, I just I don't know. I don't suburban mother sexy moment. Hold on, let's let's let's start that over. Aaron Jackson was saying, like, it's like that thing and like, I can't you know my cheeks when I left, Like it's very that I felt like I felt like the ad workout was happening. As

you know, what are you doing? I'm just laughing because you did it perfectly the first time and then did it again, and we're no, you did it perfectly both times. You are an Emmy nominated sketch performer, So I understand that perfect I don't want us, but I don't want to us. No, it's saying in the whole thing because that right there, that right there, no I'm doing you're doing it. That's right there. That's the perfection that and that is that makes you close to God in drag.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. This is why the Emmy nomination and the award over Ruse, because you can actually do ru better than rue. Sorry, we're keeping that in. You have just thrown darts at a and we're talking about loving drag queens. You're throwing darts at the queen and you're not missing, and you're not missing, and I'm not missing. You better not miss. But I didn't. But I didn't. Sexy Mama, sexy Mama, I don't let us? What can be? I mean, just the funniest fucking fust

I was. I was like, I was, I was. I was talking to someone um in line for the bathroom when we got two cherries. They're like, oh my god, I'm like, are you excited? I was like, you know what I think? Had to let us is actually the thing I look forward to the most every time I come from I'm come to Fire Island. I think because she didn't perform last year and that was like really sad, and so I was just I was just so happy

to see her again. I mean, this is this is going to go ahead and be a head to let us stand count and now we must talk about busted. So this cathartic and all the ways it's used on the podcast that word oh and in the literal sense, in the podcast sense. And we've seen busted in the past, but there was something special about last night. It was it was there was a jack. I'm telling you there's a good energy because he got fucked by guy you called you a little bro, called me a little bro,

and your jack lifted all the other job. I genuinely think it's like when on Division at the end, when or rather you find out this happened at the end, But really I guess it happened at the beginning. Started it all um when Wanda sort of screams and all the sitcom world kind of comes out of her. I honestly think that when I was getting fucked by the Bay find this hot. He was so fucking hot. I showed pictures of him to you on the grampum and when he said little bro, I became one in them.

You created Scarlet with you created east View? Is that the believe West Views view? But you know, I really want to go to East Views is about you. I think I don't think you created because that's out of pain and grief, you became the Scarlet Witch and that's very much era you. You had, you come into yourself

and you you've changed form. I'm telling you there's something, there's something, but anyway, and you should externalize this change somehow, I'm fuddling it up selling it and literally I'm telling you, if people wanted on the island, they're getting it. And I'm but but one thing is I will sort of address one situation later in my I don't think so, honey, I honestly just want to keep this tone going in

terms of oh busted. When you talking about you've never seen a drag queen do the Zataran's jingle less than twenty times? It was throughout the night. Josh and Aaron described it as like a bit like it had bit DCM bit show energy, where it's just like this is gonna be the bid for fifteen twenty minutes. Is just everyone the Zaturans jingle playsn't throughout any scene and everyone in the whole fucking place gets rowdy and for people

so for DC M BIT show energy. But what we mean by that is there's there used to be at a profestival, there used to be in profestival called Adult Post Marathon, and there was a beautiful culture of UM shows that we're on at like three am, where everyone had to be a diaper baby walking around in diaper is with like ship pouring out of it, like not real ship, but like doing improv sets with people got really it was like you it was like you were at like a It was like it was like this

is gonna sound crazy, but it was like an improv comedy would stock moment and really like you talk want to talk about getting fully cracked. It always was on the same weekend as Pride, so I would be cracked in half I would be doing my five thirty am bit show. I mean I famously ate a carrot off the ground that had been in John Gimberling's ass ten

minutes before. Yes, and that sort of when you get to that place you've cracked, you've cracked, and so you could be on your char's ard and that's when it's sort of guess can can you don't want blast wys around? Oh wow, that's so interesting the beauty Pokemon. When you're at your chars, are you still there is still an apex predator out there? And plastoys. Is that at that turtle to know that? So that's why it's always like, you know what, be happy now, be happy to think

about this. A dragon is gonna fucking kill a turtle no matter what, when the turtle has cannon's n not when the turtle has cannons, and not when the dragon is made of fire which will be extinguished by water. I'm saying this not because I want to. I'm saying

this to keep us safe, That's why. And then you better hope that you have a good relationship with a venosaur, because if you if you're a chart with a good relationship with a venosaur, if you play for the same team I do in hand quotes, then you're gonna be okay because that venisaur could handle that blast venus or wants something in return, which is to what not have you kill him? Literally, Because that's why it's important to keep the way too quick sort of the Karen and Giselle,

who's care who's whose chars? Who's venisaur? Well, venosaur is Karen and Giselli be chares are No, I don't I don't even know how you could disagree. Hair and his Charis Ard. No, you cannot. Someone who looks as fucking like horrid in her dress and her outfits cannot be Charis Ard Gasel cannot be Charis Ard. Oh so, so, so here's the deal. I'm just goingetically energetically energetically. You're right, then, then Karen is Blast Toys. I believe that Wendy is

becoming Blast Toys. No, Wendy is becoming like literally like Mew two, like being like just like her body modified. Yes, No, which love is genetically altered. She's being She's her phenotype is being altered. Yes, and Wendy, we we were looking so literally we watched Potomach this morning. Also, so basically here's what will happened. We woke up this morning and I kind of had like a really good feeling about

the day. And also I I found out yesterday that I love this feis, and so I was like so excited. And also I did know that you were getting nominated today. So we woke up. I sort of got a bottle of champagne because I was like, this might be fun, and I brought back I brought breakfast for my sister, and you didn't actually I didn't even say thank you. No, I know that's one. That's not That's not why I

do it. You know, I just felt we were we were in that moment one being and I was like, oh so we we and I felt that we collectively did pay for it, but you paid for it and I didn't say thank you, and your sister, I don't care. That's not what this is. Well, you got champagne. You

got the champagne. Then we started to um really happily head back home because we knew that we had the nominations a little bit later eleven thirty, so we were like, we have more than enough time to not only just watch Potomac, but then take like twenty minutes afterwards to just like sit with Potomac. Potomac delivered. Potomac really delivered on all fronts. We got a new housewife. We have we have a the new The Housewife and or sophomore season who was a big storyline already coming out of

the gate. Um, I mean the Candice, the one who's potentially depressed and it's kind of hard to hard to watch. We met Candice's bonus children, Bonus who are adorable, and Naya and Mateo Matteo looked so sweet and Nia was she was giving star quality Chris lights up around the kids. Correct, Candice giving I think motherly energy, motherly energy. When she was helping Nya on the homework, I thought, wait, she looks good doing that. I think she looks happy. Candice

helping out with homework. And then they're walking through that math. It was a very easy math question and she did call it an s A T question, but um, and you know it was easy, but but we still love the energy. Math was a theme in this episode when you when you say in a hilarious way, there were numbers and equations being sort of worked out on screen in real time, like when the new housewife Mia said, my husband is thirty eight years older than me and

he's sixty. So they go, are you thirty? She goes, no, I'm thirties, and they go, well, that doesn't make any sense. Someone's lying. And then she goes, well, guys, I can't do math, and she and and Ashley, who honestly kind of gave it to you on this episode was actually really fun, actually was actually really fun. She goes, that's an easy math question. That's an easy math. That's an easy math question. But basically the sound bites flying out

of Karen. Oh, we're plentiful, plentiful, plentiful, plentiful, And Giselle was trying, and Giselle thought like, Okay, I'm gonna like I've had these in the can, like these lines in the can that I'm gonna hurl a Karen because I bet you so so, so so hard, and any any Bravo watchers that she um rehearsed the line and I'm just I'm just gonna tell the truth. You're cheating truth, you're drunk truth or broke tru truth like she like she rehearsed she only wanted them to land because she

was holding out truth. You're this true. And I was like, we can't we hear it as Karen calls her old d But Karen, I think it. I think she did not give it a second thought. It flew out of her mouth. What is it? You're a broke hor from everybody. I mean, I mean, the girls are coming for each other's next and it's thrilling to watch. Also, how rude Wendy was to me a gust in her own home when she goes when she because Wendy had she threw a party for her new tips, which look unbelievable. What

the chop that that Wendy is rocking now? Like, like, the hair looks incredible, and I think there's some other work that was done. Guess what who the fuck cares done? Name? Let her do it? And there is this little bit of a narrative like, oh, let's talk about the work because people aren't honest about their work. Then like they get dragged on the show. I'm like, I don't fucking give So then she goes to Mia and I didn't like this from Wendy because it was a little bit

so what have you done? Because looks like you got a lot of it? And then Mia did list all her surgeries and which like and owned it. She was like, oh, I've done all these things. Um. They did flashback to a dinner that Wendy and Karen went on where Karen was like, I'd like to introduce you to my friend Mia and bring her to that your nu your nude interlude party. Um, her name is Mia. And then Wendy goes her name is Mia? Alright? Then well all right, now,

like why is that moment? So it was because it's delivered what's delivered well because Wendy, Wendy is actually she knows how to deliver things now. But then we have said that the line address me correctly, has aged addressed me correctly, that's aged very well. It's it was a great freshman season for her. It's going to be And I think she's moving to center couch. I mean, obviously Karen and Gill will be center couch. They will be, but Wendy's left and right. But Wendy is sliding to

the center. I think when just Robin might get sort of Robbin is not. It's not a good vibe. And I feel very bad because I feel like, oh, she's really struggling during the pandemic. She thought she was going to get married. I mean, it's a when there was such a to do about getting married again, like it was such a triumphant end of the season for her, and now the fucking pandemic. Like you just hate to see someone struggling like that. I hope it turns around.

Because when Robin's fun, when she's happy, she's fun. Does that mean like when she's fun's fun? You know, like she's so fun, she's so funny and great to watch and she's such a good mom of the kids, and I just this is I'm so happy. I turned to you when the credits well, I was like, I'm so happy.

We needed it. We didn't even know we needed it. Also, I will say about Robin, Wan was laying into her because you could tell the camera started rolling and he was like, I really don't actually like that this is happening in my life, so I'm gonna be honest about it because maybe it will change. You will sleep all the way in until two pm, like like like, and he was just dragging her, and you could tell she was like, I mean, it's true, so I can't be upset. But and you could tell Robin is it's not a

good start to the season for the Green Eyed Bandits. Unfortunately, they're not on their char's ard. They're not on their char's ard. I really have hope for Karen. I'm rooting for Karen as always. I'm team Karen always sorry gisell Um, and rooting for Wendale, though I fear that she will be villainized very very very quickly. Do you think Wendy will become villains status? I think she's like but the way she's treating me. I mean, that's not gonna be

like a villain thing, but it's like she will. She will come across like Mia is much more savvy than Wendy thinks, and I think Wendy is gonna it seems like they're setting something up for Wendy and Giselle are going to go after me at well, no, because I think what's happening is is Giselle decided to run her mouth about Wendy's marriage, and that's why when we see that clip of Wendy being like, yeah, and well, you know, what I love to see is the Karen and Wendy

hurricane that will come for Gizelle says the wrong words about Wendy's marriage because she was like, I see you for everything everyone said that you were. Yes. Oh I love that trailer. If if I think, I hope what they're setting up is that Wendy and Karen reconcile their path conflicts and advance together, because that would be so powerful. If you're not watching Potomac, this is a good season to start with. The last season is a really was a really great one. It's a long one, but it's

really worthwhile. Um I can't recommend it enough. And as I say to people, this is like what everyone says right now. For a lot of people are saying to me, they're like, I didn't even watch housewives before, but now in terms of like, um, when do you watch house Lives? And they be like yeah, and like I didn't until

very recently. I'm one of those people. And I gotta tell you, I'm not like all the way in there, like I do have blind spots and I have not seen most of the seasons from even the cities that I love to watch. But Potomac is really really really it's just a fun show. It's like and it feels different than you know, like Beverly Hills has its own identity. It is what it is. And I've been loving at

this season in New York is flopping hard. And I say this with love for Ebony Kay Williams, who I think is actually great, which is great, but I just don't think there's enough. There's there's not enough. They're they're in terms of the cast, not in terms of ebony. I think in terms of literally there's five women. It's

just it's it's just not taking off. And so it's like and the only places they can go or like what like the Hamptons, and it's like it's like it feels repetitive in a way, but wait, where what's their big trip this? Well, right, how they are in um Salem, which actually is funny um, but I don't know, I just feel like it's it feels culturally repetitive too, because we're dealing a lot with Ramona being like a trumper who was bad during COVID, and like you, Ebany is

trying to engage her, and it's the election. And that's another thing, is like where New York Is is during the election, and it just it's not a fun place to revisit because you feel shades of the tension and you feel shades of like the anxiety that we were all experiencing in every frame of the show. So it's just not it's not it's not a fun culture to be sitting in. So that's why we don't talk about it like like as as though we were chars are. Oh well, no, no one on that show right now

is in their char era. Literally no, I mean they're they're sort of in a flop era, each and every one of them except I would say that Ebony is is probably someone who's on her chars art a lot. Ebany came in um and she is doing a great, great, great job, very fun to watch. It's just that like she's just she doesn't have a lot to work with. We should just briefly say that we are celebrating not just Cathy Hilton on Beverly Hills too, but miss Crystal

kung Minkoff. Crystal comes a Crystal, the Kung Minkoff. So the Kung mink Off Ze was hanging out with her all Pride Week. It's so jealous and then can I tell you something I told you? You know. He was like, I'm not trying to get Crystal to come to your house party. I was like, no, do not break Crystal Kung Minkoff coming in. Well, she would never come, never coming walking into that house and being like, hey, I'm Crystal. I would be like, it's iconic behavior. I was like,

you are you are everything. Yeah. I would be like, no, you cannot see my terrible belongings. Please leave. She honestly, I would just take her upstairs and I would be like, there's a roof that let's go upstairs. We would light a blont I'd be like, you're fucking killing the show,

and she'd be like, I know. She's like I know, I watched it too, and I just like I feel like it's a better show with me, and I would say it is dead ass is because the way that we have the combination of Sutton, who I am a slutton. I am a slutton, and she doing to do to secure the diamond. The diamond is fused to her hand.

She'll never let go, she'll never let go, and she's doing what she needs to do, and the combination of her doing the most and Crystal being that bitch that gives you nothing, nothing, and it's like, okay, is it's Tom and Jerry, it's beauty, and it's it's Cat and Dog.

It's like it's like like Crystal is truly like like there's that there when I've told you about this that this fight quote unquote they had on the boat in Tahoe where Ston's like, I feel like you really disrespected me, and then Crystals like okay, like and then for the for at least five exchanges. For the next five exchanges, Sun said something okay, okay. So it's Sun said something okay, like just like she does not she will give you nothing, and then she will and then she like she will

buy her time, and then she will fucking come. She will. She's coming in the next episode because this last episode iconically end up. So we've had us I haven't even seen this, but the way you described beautiful. So basically they're at So Lisa Arenna is trying to make amends with Garcelle because Garcella has her eye, her gorgeous eyebrow raised at Rinna, who she thought she knew, but then her behavior towards Denise Richard's last season was untoward and

it was uncouth. So basically, Renna is now doing the most to try to like court Garcella's friendship against So she has Harry Hamlet and her husband make his famous holidays for a birthday celebration for Garcelle and just to celebrate getting all together. So they're doing this. It's a little celebration for Garcella. They bring out a cake and then there's gifts introduced to the mix. Cut to the

other end of the table. Sutton says, I didn't know we were doing gifts, and Kyle's like, yeah, hey, we're doing gifts, and Liz Arenna is running the show. Garcella is of course gifted the most stunning items from Still Jewelry, just like stunning. You know, she's getting bags. By the way, we haven't even brought up Erica Jane, which is we which whatever? So then you see Sutton just become despondent because here is Crystal having given the best gifts, and

you can tell that she's just like fitting in. Sutton does not like to not fit in. She stomps away from the table before but not before she says to Kyle, I don't like being around people. I don't lack. I can't pretend. I refuse to pretend I'm walking over there. Such a good s Lauren, Lauren. And so Matt has a Sutton. Well you know he has a Sutton. Could be good not putting Sutton to Luna there, So Matt, Matt has a Sutton, so matts And you know, because

Sutton's dropping in to do update, she's suns dropping. I would be really dropping in. Sutton's track is dropping in to update, and you know it will be fun to have to Sutton very Vanassa doing Jennifer. You know, oh my god, ladies and gentlemen's and your host. You know, she'd be so excited, she would be she would be a nightmare all week. Do you think that she would

will be like, I don't think that's funny. But I don't want to do that because I don't want toppar insensitive because actually on the show I did have a couple of moments where I just didn't know that I was being insensitive and I was not educated. So educate, Tell me you're that girl. Tell me you're that girl that wants to write with the writers on Tuesday. Tell

me with that girl. Um So, anyway, Shutton is like, I don't lack her, and I am an apology to Kyle, who is again iconically in the center of it all, and the ladies start to kind of move mosey over because the bolon it was gobbled up because again it's famous. It's famous, and who doesn't and and also they did the great work of showing you Harry Hemlet in his garden earlier, so natural ingredients. I love his garden, and

he's on his chars and he's on his chars. So basically they've they've gobbled up the bolonaise, and the lady starts sort of walking over to another area of the stunning home that Lisa Wrenna lives in to sort of have another cocktail, and they're one by one noticing that Sutton is I rate. So Sutton finally says, I can't pretend that everything is hunky dory, so which Kathy Hilton replies, who is hunky Dory? And the camera lingers on her face just to sort of confirm that she is serious.

You can see Kyle sort of like sort of shake her head. Garcel has a moment of concern. Erica's I think I fell out, and they cut back to cat and they she generally wants to know who is hunky do like there could be who is this woman in Beverly Hills that I have lunky Dory? I can't pretend that everything is hunky Dory. Well, I don't know who that is? Who is that? And if I don't know who you are, you don't know who you are? That's

a Jared Frieder, that's Jared Frieder's housewife's entrance. Did you know that if I don't know who you are, you don't know who you are? Which it doesn't make sense, but that's what makes it perfect exactly. Um So. Anyway, Finally, in the moment of the silence after Hunky Dorry, Crystal does make her way over. She's like, what's wrong, what's

the matter, what's going on? And an apology by you because you said when I walked into your hotel room to return your coat, that you were naked, and then you told everyone I violated you when I left right away, And she said, so, what what is it that you want? What do you do? You want an apology? I'm sorry, you're are upset. She goes, sorry, I'm upset. I want you to not use the word violate, and Crystal goes, no, I'm not taking back that word. That's what the word is.

If you don't understand the word looking up violate, it's too access someone in a way that makes them feel unsafe. It's to violate their privacy. It's too cross boundaries. And that's what it was I felt. And Sutton is she's losing it. Valted you? Oh, val did you? She's acting like Reese in the Morning Show. Absolutely so Sutton stomps away and she says, what as Christophe it says, you're jealous of me, which is iconic Sutton, what jealous of what?

Your only leather pants? Kyle Richard screams no, as if a slur has been said. No, no, cuts to Renna. Cuts to Renna, who's a gas. She can't believe. She goes, no, you don't say that. You don't say that, smashed, cut to the pants, the words to be continued. I've not seen a second of this and the way Matt has described it to me, the way he just did, which is,

get the funk up. That was just that was a one person show for you to just perfectly give you all the imagery you need to have been right there with you. Gotta be watching it. It's just fun. I got just fun. It's just when I didn't start. I never watched an episode of Beverly Hills except for the finale last season with Denise and Rena. That was my

first one. I was like, Okay, this is fine, and then started this season with with all the titterings about Crystal Kongenkop, I was like, I gotta watch and reader, I have not been disappointed. She's moving to center couch. She slid down and honestly, I'll tell you what I mean. Kyle is going to be sitting next to Andy. Probably Rena is gonna be sitting next to Andy. I don't know who's Kyle gonna be. Oh, Erica will be sitting Aerica. So Erica will be like in the will be very Kyle.

And then I'm telling you, next to Kyle is Crystal. Next to Erica is Sutton, And I think that's what's happening. I love this. We were talking to our friend Time Mitchell about this yesterday. He was he came by and also brilliant, right, brilliant mind he um uh just just based off tweets guys, okay um. But he was talking about Crystal comincoff. I mean he I forgot what he said specifically, but I was like, yeah, like she is really coming in without like that like freshman season energy.

She's part of it. She kind of doesn't give a ship because she's rich in a real way. Her husband directed the lying and so she's like but she literally has perspective, which is something a lot of these women lack.

But she has perspective in life, which is that like, oh, yeah, like I was, I grew up Asian and I teach my kids Chinese and I make dumb you know, it's like she like is connected to something outside of her own inner life that makes it that makes you kind of like not care about someone like Sutton coming at you Know. What's brilliant about this conflict is that they're both making themselves feel victimized in valid ways and invalid ways.

Sutton not valid, Crystal, I would say maybe valid. Well, there's there's been moments where Crystal has lost me just like the word it violate in the way that she's saying it, because they do cut to like moments where she's told the girls about what happened, and when you see it happened, Sutton runs in. She has the coach.

She sees that Crystals like undressing he's going on here and puts the coat down and leaves, and then Crystal has blown it up and to know he is entitled to the footage, though it does seem like Crystal like from the audio, it's like she's like, I'm naked, like

what are you like? I'm sure she was like in the corner like also, she doesn't know if the cameras are following her in instead of closing the door, immediately goes I'm just gonna run in get closer to you dropped it like that spatially, I'm I'm team Crystal here.

That is kind of really funked up. Yeah, I mean so in the ways that she was telling the women about she was like it was like really she called her like, there's the whole I'm not a peeping tom with this language, and it's sort of like so you can see Crystals sort of leaning in which fucking for your house, right, But like there has been ones where

I'm like, there's fallibility there and vulnerability there. She's been very vulnerable on the show and I don't know killing it and we're not even halfway through it and we haven't even talked about fucking Erica who Joe and I talked about it last weekend and said, I love it. I loved what you guys had to say. Um, and you know what, I normally would apologize to the reader for us like talking about the same shot whatever the week. But I know we're in our chars are era like

you can turn it off. They can turn it off literally next week. There's so many other great podcast as Urgent Care, Urgent Care, You Seek Treatment, I mean like the Stradio Lab Boys. You know, I would say, they do it. They do it like no other. Yeah, there's so there's so many other podcasts that you can listen to if you don't want to hear us on. Our chars are doing Suton Strack Impressions and dreaming of a world where she hosts sn now because I want to

see that world. I want my children to see that world. I want to see what flop dress she comes out in the beginning to do her mom analogue, like something with like a fucking happy chameleon on it, or something like like she wears those weird patterns, and I'm like, you run a boutique. I love her her just god like fucking her buying the Vetmas shoes. I'm like, you're no, don't buy vet Ma. You're you're that's not that's not your sonton and you you should have some more self awareness.

You're not vet Ma. Okay. I'm wanting to go to Sutton the boutique. I'm wanting to go in there because I do believe that she is posted. It's like vander pump at at like like you'll see your look. Oh yeah she's there. Why wouldn't she? I heard that she eats dinner there every night. Yeah, it's her restaurant where everyone fucking worships her the way specifically like the probably the staff or like whatever Lisa wants. She's suing. I'll

do it prosecco, just kidding. She probably drinks like really right champagne. And it's amazing Lisa impression. I mean, god, the talent, Lauren had his chance, and he literally did, he literally did, but flop. I do say this with every genuine ounce of fucking flesh and cartilage in my heart. Rogers the funniest motherfucker, the funniest person, the funniest person, and it there's no one like, there's no one like. I don't accept it. Like the funniest person in the

world is Lily Collins. Is Lily Collins. And then Matt Roger's fine, fine, fine, I'll take a second, but to just respect Lily like that, I know. I'm sorry, Um I was nominated. It's fine. I'm so proud of you. I can't You're gonna make I can't even tell you, a girl, I'm so happy we got to be together for me, I know, and we're real way for both

for both things. You told me, you told me a few days before, and I wasn't seeing you that it got and gotten picked up, but it was I was told for a while like it looks good and then then but you know the old Hollywood push, They never tell you that, never say a word word. Um, let's sort of move on. But put it put a pin in this sort of Charisard moment to just say that right now we're going to sort of step into I

don't think so honey. And while I don't think so honey is inherently sort of I don't want to say no negative. What's the word? Um? Biting? Yes, aggressive? Um? We only we are still, we're we're going to dip into this world and then we're gonna be right back on our fucking chars, aren't and we we hope you are, and we when we hope that are too. And we've met a lot of you we can meet. It's been really nice to meet the readers. As I said the last episode that I was on, we said, the exceptions

are the readers. The readers are the real ones, and are the real ones. And so I hope, I genuinely hope each and every reader starts to prepare themselves for a mindset to be in their chars, aren't. Is Marky out of retrograde? It's no, it's not about mercury, it's not about comunic about it's about personal. It's about self definition,

personal power to understand. It's it's internal, it's internal, it's always with you, so you can always externalize that power in new Yes, asked, let's do I don't think so Basically, I don't think so Honey is or it has usually been a one minute I don't know what it's going to become in the future because it might be on stars are at a certain point at this stage of evolution that I'm currently and why would I ever tell any girl not to evolve? So I don't think so

Honey is. Right now, a sixty second segment where someone performing said I don't think so honey sort of goes off. I'm doing air quotes on pop culture. Um, you know, in ways large and small, we've had sort of I don't think so honeys that were about Jennifer Garner, you know what I mean? Actually House member and member of this House Patrick Rogers did that one, and then we had like I don't think so honey, Like you know, you did um fucking the sunset the sunsets, which was

a flop, and I was back in my phone. That wasn't my flat era. I will admit, no, don't. We should see the sunset tonight. By the way, I would love to see the sunset. That has to be on the dockets as cloudy though, but so so anyway, it is time for I don't have time for that. I don't have my phone. Would you mind? I can time you and you can go first, so I'll go. Just don't look at my text because their surprises happen. Ok Um, serious, big some big bros texted, oh my god, that was

so where's my thing? Just pulled down from your lock? Okay, stop watch? Okay. Sometimes I just forget where things are on my phone in terms of the emoji's. Even chars Ard forgets okay, And I'm this is with love you guys. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many and it's time starts now. I don't think so honey being a bad kisser, like and we need to be brushing our teeth. I get that a lot of people are on vacation, but when I'm when I'm kissing you and it and I I say this with love. It tastes

like chicken feed, not feede chicken feed. I should not be in the barnyard when I'm in the pavilion, Okay, I should not when I'm in the ice palace. I should be in those zones. And when it's when it's feeling like chicken feed in my mouth, that's it's gonna be a no on that one. I don't think so honey too much. Sorry, but teeth, I'm getting teeth, gums, tongue, kiss me with seconds or I don't think so honey.

And I'm some people play heart to get. I am easy to get, Like, if you want it, you're getting it. But don't come at me with these gums, teeth and lip and the only lips I do think so honey them, I don't think so honey, you bad kissers chicken feed. And and that's one minute, a minute and six seconds. And you know why you went over the time, and you I wouldn't even say you went over the time. You went your time because you're in your I was entitled to those six You were very entitled to this

at six seconds. And here's the thing. Would you agree that um I can already tell you I will no no, no no, no, maybe you won't. There is no such thing as a good kisser, but there is definitely such a thing as a bad kiscer, because I think that I would consider myself a good kisser. But it's it's always a dance with the other person, and so that's how I feel well and so and so it's about making the other person look good whatever. Improv nonsense, but

like improv school one on one nonsense. But like, you can only be a bad kisser if you're being inconsiderate of your of what your partner is signaling. That's the thing is. It's like, why are you trying to run ship right now? Aren't we here together? Like I just feel like sometimes when people are dominating the energy of the kiss, it's like, well, you are a narcissist, you're an eaglemaniac. There's actually two people doing this, and it's

sociopathic behavior when you come in with an agenda. Also, I'm sorry, but if people love this, like, go off. But I don't need a tongue all the way down my throat and and and I'm telling you some people do. And I'm sure you've met some of these girls that that are the jabbers, the jabber, the jabbers, the javelin throwers, jabbers, javelin just chill. And there are the people who really but that there's a different kind of person who um pushes their lips together in a way to make it

feel like the head of a spear. It's also the same sort of concept of a job. You're jabbing at me and with your with your fish mouth, and by fish mouth, I mean like they turn them, they make their lips conical and start to jab me. It's very, very untoward. I just also want to say that if you're listening to this episode and we did experience a kiss together, I'm not talking about you. No no, no, no no, you're not talking about you. Um let's let's

just say. Let's just say there's been there's been experiences that could have been better, and people need to be respectful and not act uncouth. That's all it is. It's just think of it as a dance. It's a dance. It's a dance. It's not like it's really it's like the Viennese waltz. There you go. I love that. So now it's time for Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey. And the boat, we're sorry, that's another boat. Yeah, so

sorry about that. He's gonna say, yeah, well, one hour eighteen in you gotta boat sound happen And then you know I didn't love that. Just tell just let you know. I can work around it. But that girl we love, We love him, alright, So this is Aready. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, bugs Spray, you're not even doing what you're supposed to do. So what are you doing putting forth this image of Noba hugs?

When what do I see on my leg? Oh a damn zica insects A damn tick, a damn wasp kind of covering around my ear which is an roger, which is an a roger zone. Damn. You know what, bug Spray, I'm talking to you off specifically, and now don't send this ship because you won't make this right unless you actually change the formulation in your product to bend off insects. In this time when insects wanting everything to do with my flesh and my type oh blood and all of

my life force, you are endangering me. And if you don't change the formula I am going to be throwing hands. That's one minute and two seconds. And you I've never seen someone more entitled to two seconds. Thank you. I was entitled to this. Um. You know, I've I've been diligent about my coverage, about replenishing my my bug spread coverage. Still waking up with bites you it. It almost like makes you question, is this placebo? Is this placebo? Is

this sugar water? Is this sugar water? By the way, a cinnamon roll is no longer a cinnamon roll, It's sugar bread, sugar bread. That's we don't have time to get into time to get into it. But I would like confront the creators of this bug spray. Just this placebo. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, off, if you're listening, you gotta check the that of the thing or whatever. Looking at it right now. I'm holding it right now, reading read the ingredients. Let's see all right, let's just let's

just get into us, just get into us. So in here, well it says directions for use. Well no, no, no, no, I want to know. I can't. I can't give it to me. So, you know, interesting, like it's sort of like my phone with the amoties never here we go, Oh, I'm sorry, I asked you something that I think you asked me something that would ended up not having an answer, ended up not having an answer, but which we wanted

to know the ingredients of off. But you're gonna say it if it's not, If it's placebo, that's ingredient deep, which is the thing that it's the thing that is supposed to keep the bugs away throughout a percentage, throughout a percentage. How much of this do you think is the actual thing that's supposed to be in there? How much do I think they put on the bottle? How much? How much do I think you're telling us? Yes, let's start with that. I think they would tell us, and

I think that they think this is a lot. I think that I think they would tell us six percent. Well, it's fifteen. I expected it to be. I needed to be higher. Well, this is the thing is it's like you never know what it's like. It's like when you have a drink and it says two percent calcium, You're like, well, that's not a lot, you really know, I know it's it's one of those things. But other ingredients? What are

the other ingredients? Why is we're not being transparent. S C. Johnson a family give me that right now, I mean S. C. Johnson a family company. Please reach out because we really or or no, don't even reach out. If you're hearing this, this is not a dialogue. Check the formulation because it might be sugar water because nothing. But there's an Emmy nominee that's getting bit up and and this is post

covering herself in your product. And look, I mean I I feel like it's not a placebo, because a placebo's it can't be double blind if we if neither of us know that this is a placebo, and then what then what are you doing? Anyway, that's it. But they

thank you for framing it this way. I'm an Emmy nominee and I'm getting bit I mean bit by bugs and it's just it's just not I'll tell you really And as as someone who was snubbed, let's just say this, the rose of of this episode was the chars ared sort of energy that we feel despite a snub, despite a snob Oh but but but cars Art's never won an Emmy, never, and it's one of the greatest icons of the greatest icons of television. Never won a Emmy.

That's fine. He's still charges and my Thorn was having to really, really really sit in the fact that my girl has been getting bitten up. Okay, it's okay. We will we will weather these together. I am so happy that we did this. We had an honest conversation and yesterday we're supposed to record the pod yesterday, and it wasn't the vibe. And that's why I'm saying, when you feel the vibe is off, especially in his own where their vibes have been so good, you have to sort

of drift away from that. And yesterday was not the day you said that to me, And I thought, well, maybe, And then I thought to myself, there has been trust built here. My instincts have my spider spence was tingling, but I trusted you, and I don't do that with a lot of people. And yet I went on this journey with you, and it was the right choice because of course it was very jump then fall you know. Then you know there hasn't been a lot of Taylor on this trip. That's and we need to change that.

I played wellow the other day, and I sort of got a sense from the girls that they didn't want Willow, And I was like, we're going about Taylor. It's fine, Um I did? I mean? Listen, Tina Burner, thank you for putting Welcome to New York in your mix. And Tina Burner has a wonderful New York mix. Of course she's got you know, Sinatra and um, you know, welcome to New York. When Welcome to New York, those are

the show. Those are the two New York songs. Well, Frank Sinatra and tell her my fresh start to the New Yorkers of Hollywood. You know what I mean. When you see them in your minds, you sort of think New York City. And on that sort of note, on this jubilant charisard Era sort of um benchmark benchmark checkpoint, I was, we, how do you feel about ending with the song? I feel really good about it. Welcome to It's been away boy, Welcome, Welcome studio harmony, Welcome to

New York. Oh, should we do it? We don't know. It's fine to end on a failed harmony. No, it's fine. We're in. Our charges were in. Our charges were fine.