“You Stole My House” with Tori Spelling

I remember going to the Roxy. There was like a bar upstairs and and you know, I was You were younger than I was, but I was a young woman in l A working as a p A and say by the bell and like you and Shannon came in and it's just like it was the biggest thing in the world to happen to me. You guys were just like these idols, and it's just crazy that now we're talking to each other, that you would be on my podcast. It's just funny, Like I just went back there really

like one of my idols. Wait, you buried the headline you were a pa on Saved by the Bell. Yes, what I was on Saved by the Bell. I think you were, but I didn't were you? Was it before nine? O? Two and O? It was right before and then a little crossover in nine think so right, So I probably didn't know who you were, Like I think so many people came through there, Denise Richards, who I know now, So I didn't know who anybody was because they weren't who they were going to be yet exactly, you know

what I mean? Um, hi and well, Hi, Hey, thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Well, I'm so excited to have you and this little show that could has become sort of a an instant sensation and it's really fun conversations about something really often stupid. So we're gonna go to ride and I just I was just on the phone Andy Kohen and Jeff Lewis because it is crazy Watch What Happens Live episode that we had and it was like an explosive, weird Watch what Happens Live

that people are going crazy about. So, gosh, what happened to you? Well? I was just on the show and because of this particular podcast that you're on, which in my opinion is different because it's different sorts, types of guests, you know it. Look, Elizabeth Moss launched the show, and other people in the Bravo sphere have been like frustrated that I did it because for years I've said things about the Housewives that it was toxic for me, which it was, And so now to go back and do

a show reflecting, which I don't think they're related. I think you're allowed to go back and reflect on something that may have me. Course, right, So it's been a big thing and that, of course, and the show has done extremely well. And then I went on to watch What Happens Live and the audience perceived it to be a little bit, of their words, an ambush like that. I was literally hitting fastballs to the left and to the right between Jeff Lewis and Andy more from Jeff Lewis.

But it was not something that didn't, you know, require a professional tennis player, which I was last night away your game. You have to be Jeff is a good friend of mine, but you got to be on your game. Yeah, and and my daughter was there, and you know what, all this doesn't matter except to say that after me discussing it with Jeff and Andy. But not being I wasn't hurt because we're all you're I'm sure I'll hear

from you soon that you're the same. We've all been beaten up for so many years, you're not even hurt it. It's just normal business, right. But to say to them it was perceived as nasty by not only the public but my daughter and my team, and they both in different ways. But really Jeff really apologized, and it was just I came to tears and it was something very simple about just I'm sorry, because nobody says I'm sorry.

People just trash each other in the media. Like for someone to say I'm sorry instead of just going on their show today to go on a three week tour of bashing each other, it was actually a really nice Hallmark moment. Wow, wait, did I hear this wrong? You said, Jeff Lewis apologize. He said, I'm sorry to you, Bethany very much. So like wow, very much. So that's a Christmas wish in the making there whoa I know and and and wanted to do it publicly. Too good for him?

And I said, he said, I'm you know, he just basically put with apologize in different ways about the way it went down, that it wasn't a plan, but that they acknowledge and recognize it. It It was a little intense, so it was just and but the message for me overall is that it's not what we do, it's what we do after Like, you can make a mistake, and

no one's allowed to make mistakes anymore. We all know that. Nope, there are no mistakes in Hollywood especially, So all right, so Beverly Hills, Yes, you live in Beverly Hills, now, I do not. Technically I live in Hidden Hills. Oh okay, you live in Hidden Hills, which is a little like more suburbs. Yes, there's like animals everywhere, but thanks to Kardashians, it's like Beverly Hills adjacent now but with animal property. Yeah, you live in the McMansions and walk your goats down

the street. You know, that's very normal. That's we're just renting in here, so we don't have the lavish lifestyle they have. But um, which is ironic you said, right, we're saying that because I grew up with it exactly. Um, I gotta say I'm an o G Beverly Hills fan. Like I watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Um, well, Beverly Hills in New York. And I'm not just saying that because you were on it, but I'm just those were my two jams, and but stuck with Beverly Hills

every single season, so I had to go. I was like, of course I know this episode, but I went back and rewatched it, and I watched it with my daughter, who watches every episode now, my four child, and she goes, Mom, what show is this? And I go Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and she goes, I didn't know there was another one, and why is Kyle on it? And what

do you think? Well, but what's the reason. It was the fact that no one was as glamd or it was more drama or the people like what wasn't She didn't recognize the cast, like physically physically it was a whole different cast. Oh you mean that they're you mean the people are different, not that the faces are different, right, Well yeah that was really didn't know what different? Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

but the people, it was physically a different cast. And she only recognized Kyle, who she said, oh my gosh, she looks so young. She looks like her daughters, and I was like, well, this is what seventeen years ago exactly. Yeah, we all changed a little bit, but she didn't recognize. And then she started to get into it and watched it, and she did it was kind of like her watching nine o two one. Oh. Now it's all a little bit slower. It's not as glam the life. It was

a difference to her. Well one episode. First of all, this is before Twitter, and also one episode I know I in my life on Housewives, I was one of the first people to I think I was the first how swept to go on Twitter, which isn't like a big statement. No one was on Twitter. There was no Twitter um and back then Tamil Grammer answered her answering machine. In one of the episodes, she has a message on

her fanswering machine. Okay, so also to be on the show, and I talked about it, I'll watch what happens live for people coming on. They want to show off how much money they have. They want to show I have a Ferrari, but it's least I have this the house, you know, all the secrets and Beverly Hills. But the one who's got the big house. But it's not really

their house. It's mortgaged. And you know, Beverly Hills is a small, big town, and I'm thinking this, these people seem quote unquote rich, you know, because they're at the level to be on Bravo, And a lot of people coming on are fronting and stunting because they want I know specific people that have been on this show, and they want they spend money to have all this stuff because they think the show will catch up with they're spending I'll be successful because I spend this money on

the show. Then I'll do well because I'll be a housewife. And then I'll start getting paid on the show to keep up with it, and I'll you know, it's a circular it's a circular reference, and it's here that as an option for me. You know, well, did you actually I think I heard like back then, did you want to be on the show? Didn't you say you would be on it? Or did you work good? Now? So here's the thing, and I've never gotten to talk to

someone about it that actually knows about it. The process. Yeah, I I go off with Jenny Garth, my best friend, all the time, about him like what's wrong with me? So literally, there was always speculation I was going to be on the show, and it was like year after year, well into it, not in the o G status, but it would be like Tori spelling and talks, and I'd be like, where are these talks? They've never even called. I called my agent, did they call? And They're like, now,

I've never called about you? And then I really went ballistic in my head when Jenny said, oh, yeah, they offered it to me. When year I was like, Okay, I don't have any ego at all, and I've been beaten down for years, but I gotta stay. I kind of was an o G Beverly Hills girl and they never asked me. And then double you're on the show

and you're from the place. So yeah. So I'm on Watch What Happens Live and I say something to Andy because I couldn't hold it in, and I was like, I'm just gonna make a super passive aggressive comment about like no, and he he says to me, Yeah, that just doesn't make sense. I don't get I would never think of you for that show. It just I don't see the connection. And I was like, what what you're you know, all the people on it because that's usually

the number one thing that you have to be. He goes, well, do you know anyone. I said, I'm friends with every single person on the show, and he goes, oh, yeah, but I just don't get it. And I was like, what, I have a feeling on I have a weird feeling. So who knows he'll hear about this. Um, I have a weird feeling. Okay, So wow, that's so interesting. Yeah, yes, okay, So going back to Taylor, So that house there in we looked at that house two rent. Now you're still married, right, Yes,

I'm still married. Wow, that's a whole thing. That's another talk show. That's amazing. That's like, good for you because sticking through and like everything I've heard that's just headlines, but like the fact that you're on this you're renting a house together, says a lot about life and marriage

and partnership. So um, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I currently it's the Christmas season and I have seven kids right now because we have his x as two kids, so one from his marriage and my stepson and then her daughter living with us. So we have a big blended family right now. But more the merrier. So but that house. That house we looked at and they were like, oh, well, someone famous rented it and they were like Taylor, and I was like, oh okay. At the time, I was

like I don't care. And then looking back, I'm like, oh, I looked at that house, So does that mean she was renting it because they said she didn't own it? Right, But that's the story about That's the story of the house and everything. That's the story. It's always the rent of the least. But everyone yes, okay, so let's get into it. So Kelsey Grammar, who went to Pinecrest, which is the high school that I went to, just anecdotal

and I did interview to be his assistant. I wanted it so badly and I thought I got it, and then it just sort of went cold. But that was during the time that he was a very serious drinker, so that probably would have ended poorly anyway. But that's my and a friend of mine dated or was very close with a Meal when she was an MTV dancer. So that's the only like knowledge that I have of them. But she used to be on those boxes doing those MTV you know, MTV dance parties, you know. Okay, So

she's a Kelsey grammar. And we start out the show and they are going to the Tony's and I think I thought it then, but certainly now it forget that. It was awkward. Many times on this you find on these shows couples that are getting divorced or something's going on, or they're just not happy. It's like having a baby. This show is like having a baby. We think it's going to save our marriage, or it's a gift that the one partners giving to the other, like I'll let it.

Seem like Kelsey was like give her something to do, like give her, let her do this thing, because yeah, right, yeah, because I feel like, yeah, I feel like he didn't want her in that world. He didn't want her out there. He wanted to keep her behind him, and then all of a sudden he's like, no, no, you should go do this, put everything out there. But he had to know it was gonna end badly, right, He had to know that it was coming. He was gonna leave her,

and then it was be documented on the show. From her perspective, I don't know if he was it was the beginning of the whole genre. I don't know if he thought the chest through and may I think that probably for her to be knowing the situation, for her to be on it, they said to her, he has to do it also, So who knows? You know, who knows?

If you thought I was helping her set up herself financially although they pay nothing then But when he's in Matt Limo, just the simple for everyone listening the limousine. They're on the way to the Tony. She's in a big, gigantic down like she's getting an award. Kelsey Grammers in the car there with some other people, and you could tell by the terseness of his voice that he can't tolerate her. He doesn't want to be doing any of this, talking about any of this. She wants him to say

she's beautiful. He can't even get the thought out. He can't even look at her right, He looks straight ahead. He won't look at her. And I'm like, God, but you're filming, like, come on, you're a pro like act for a second exactly, But it was you know what it's like when you're in a relationship or when something's going on and you turned off so bad that you can't even like muster it up for a second, he couldn't do it. I think he was trying to do it, but it just felt so awkward. I've seen it with

other people. I saw it actually one time with Eric and Tom where it's like awkward between them. It's just like a spouse and you feel like they just met in a hallway, like they're in an office corporate retreat. Yeah, I get it. I just feel like he could have played it off better. He knew what he was getting into. So wait, so I'm confused for a second. So he things were bad, but he said, let's come out to New York, will go to the Tony's, will give it

this weekend and see. I don't think so. I think they have kids, they're still married. He's fucking around, and you know how the game starts moving too fast. He hasn't told Camille yet, he and whoever he's with in that building, because they said in the In this show, she alluded to the fact that not alluded said that the doorman didn't recognize her, recognize the others, the other woman that he was with, So he probably hasn't said it yet. They haven't told the kids yet, or or

they're playing the game. Camille knows she wants to be on this show. I know from that she wants to be on the show. She knows she's got to be a housewife, and he's playing the game with her through this little purgatory moment. I've never thought of that before. That seems like it was probably something that went down the producers could answer that that's a big more like, but why wouldn't he tell the people at the building like, Hey, I'm curtain, my wife is coming in. We haven't separated,

just play along. Here's what she looks like, like, I don't know, well, first of all, dormant and know all the secrets in New York. Second of all, I do, don't you think, Camille? I mean, listen, you have the people on the on the show her actresses now, so you've got actresses playing in the roles of reality. So she did seem to like get you know, the getting the compassion, and really it's some of it felt like it was like in a real scene like she's you know,

like it felt like, wait, what you know? I mean, you think all this was happening for the first time ever in front of us, that she did not know he was cheating. She did not realize a woman had been visiting the apartment. Is that where we're going with No, okay, we go with that, right, We're not going with that. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not saying as women, but as women like that doesn't fly. We know, we know when stuff's

going on. So I'm just saying from this she got that good of an actress though, No, because we could see through it. She's she's a decent actress. Kind of her friend was atrocious. Yeah, exactly, friend DEEDI was sitting there like shaking, and I know it was coming. I was like, Danie, this isn't your moment. You're not winning an Emmy here. This is about your friend. She was going for it. I'm just saying with reality TV, you have to split the difference because I believe that she

wanted to do the show. It's the swan song that Kelsey's giving her. It's not the first time I've seen that. And she gets him to agree to do that weekend, and you could tell that he was grinning and not grinning and bearing white knuckling. That's that's what I'm seeing. And then all the other trappings of the affair and everything came out now they're really broken up, and she can just go wild on it that You're totally right.

So that's why she's making those comments like, oh, I thought you were gonna say me, I'm the most important. It felt a little yes, this was getting digs in because she knew, Yeah she's doing it is all right, Yeah, yeah, that's what I really think. Okay, so that's good. Um um. Then oh so Kyle goes to her psych Um, I want to give you a little background. Do you know Kyle, Like, well, yes, okay, so I hope I mean Hollywood, Well like Lascala, Well, yes,

we see each other at well, got it? Yeah, okay, that's what I La Scala is a restaurant, one of my baby showers, which at that exactly and that's like those beautiful baby showers and everyone. So I met I was a hostess at Lascala, and I met Kyle because I was dating this guy who was an actor and I was at his house and I saw this land comb remover I don't know why, and he said it was his ex girlfriends and his ex girlfriend was Kyle. And I remember it was like twenty one dollars at

the time, and I was broke, really broke. I was being paid eight dollars an hour to work at Lascala to get freeze chopped salads every day, and I she came into the restaurant. I'm sure I had seen pictures or you know, her sister was from Nanny and the professor and any sort of actor person was big face missed me like you forget it was so famous and um I said to her, did you date Lewis? And she said yes. I said, at U Kai, I don't remember what the exact exchange was, and she said yes.

And I said, who pays twenty one for? I make a And we became friends, good friends, and I was Paris and Nikki's uh not. Kathy generously said I was there Nanny later, which elevated me in status. But I used to drive them to and from school, and take them to rampage at Century City, which was like Forever twenty one, and take Paris to the pet stores. And I knew Farah when she was four years old, and

I knew Big Kathy. And I was in that apartment with the managed jar filled jewelry and new Kathy's daughter from the other marriage and all of it. So I this is like vintage me. Kathy has a daughter from another a merriage. I think Kathy Big Kathy. There was like a step sister, Wendy that's in the mix, and she was around all the time, and I don't know where she is now, but she was in the mix then. And because I grew up my parents were friends with the davis Is, with the Hilton's and the davis Is,

Greg got married to Kim. Yes, I was around for all of that. I don't remember ever really seeing Kyle growing up, Like we used to take family vacations to pump Springs and there was never much of Kyle, but always Kathy and Kim. Well, Kathy was with Rick and high school and then they were like high school sweethearts that got married and Kim Matt Greg I think maybe in high school or right out of and they got married very young, like eighteen years old or something like.

And my understanding of it was it was they were living this very wealthy, you know, Davis Oil lifestyle, and then they both got into substances and the families really wanted them to separate, like it wasn't healthy. It was the sum is not greater than its parts. That's why I always understood. So they had a crazy, long winded, nasty divorce and that was them and I dated. This is a different kind of re on which everyone's gonna love because we're going into like Beverly Hill's local team,

which is more interesting than the actual show. Gresh is Kyle's thought to Andy Cohen, it's not that interesting. Yeah, well yeah, exactly, Well maybe it is. Maybe I am gonna help you. I actually think this will this will do it. Gresh was Kyle's ex husband and Fara's father. Kyle set me on a date up, set me up on a date with him, Fara's father. He's from Indonesia, so there's a lot there. I know. Oh my gosh, forget Kevin Bacon, it's six degrees of Bethany Frinkel, right

the heck. I know, I know where all the bodies are buried. I know all the secrets and stories, and I knew kids. And then her whole story too, so very interesting. So Kyle goes to the psychic who really cares. She went to the psychic. Um that I care because I love psychics and Rebecca is huge. I've always intended to go to her, but have not. Oh then you tell me so famous. So this particular psychic uber famous. Do you think the show made her famous or she

was famous before before? Oh she's a thing. She's a thing. She's one of the big ones in l A. Yeah, and you think it's real. Yeah, I've heard amazing things from everybody about Rebecca always. Why haven't you gone? I don't know. After last night, I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot about Rebecca. I gotta go. Okay, so we gotta

get in touch with Rebecca. Wow, okay, Because sometimes I see these scenes with people on the shows and it doesn't check, like the one at the housewife dinner party from Hell that woman didn't apparently check out after the crazy one with the East cigarette. But wait, wasn't that the famous medium that they did the show after? But then I was on with Dave Portnoy. He came on

here and we did research. My producers did research, and the police departments and I don't know if it was the FBI, the people investigating crimes said that they later had to make a comment after the show, saying none of the advice she gave ever led to solving any crimes. Like they literally made public statements. Yeah, so that's why I was I gotta say, what was her name? I forget her name. Um, I have no idea, will figure

your Tricia Arquette played her right exactly. She knew a friend of mine who was a makeup artist, and she had done her makeup and she said, Um, this famous medium said you're going to have huge financial problems one day, and then you're going to write a book and make millions. I went on to have huge financial problems, like I lost everything at some point. This is way before, So

she is credible. I mean, you met that same woman, bro, you make the crazy woman yourself and she I haven't met her, my makeup artist, and this is literally probably fifteen years ago. Um, and she said, yeah, she's gonna have huge financial problems. I was like on top of the world, Reality TV, everything then, and uh, she's gonna lose everything and then she's going to build it back and write a huge book and tell women how to get back on track. But I'm still I'm still waiting

for that. But why was she telling your makeup artists stuff about you? Why isn't she telling Okay, she wanted debate, Okay, well all right, well listen everybody, even if fault is right twice a day. Yeah, she's somewhat, she's somewhat le Okay, so we have that guy Cedric, which that whole thing was bizarre. This is I mean, it was fun to look at the hot guys who's living with Lisa and Ken. Lisa looked beautiful, by the way, like she really did you know that weren't like what I was like Jacqueline

Smith old like old Charlie's Angels days. It was really pretty. They all looked great. I was just looking at their skin and I was like, these are things you don't realize but seventeen years ago, Wow, skin texture, you forget that just yeah changes, Yeah, they were all going. So Lisa didn't you know, because I've been talking about my mount Rushmoors of housewives and I've been dabbling with whether she would be one, because I thought that she was.

She didn't seem to get particularly invested or dirty in this episode, like she seems some some housewives sort of ride on the outskirts, aren't really like right in the meat of the matter, and I felt that she was sort of not really in the meat of any matter on this particular show. You think like even she didn't get dirty at all. So is that how she blew up?

Is that she just like went on the outskirts for a while, got everyone in, and then it's usually not a good formula because it's sort of that like Jacqueline Loreta be nice to everybody, be friends with that one, don't really get dirty. It was never a good formula on The Apprentice either. To fly under the radar works for a while until it doesn't um, But I think she later gets more into it. I did not. I

guess I didn't really realize. I knew they were good friends and I met Lisa through Kyle, but that they were best friends, like really best friends. And I also was just so moved by We talked about it a lot with Jersey, but you don't talk about it a lot with Beverly Hills. This show started as a family show. You Kyle and Kim coming on this show together. Yeah, seriously,

you're right. It started as a family show. And I know that they were going to do another show with Kathy, and Kathy wasn't that thrilled because the two of them branched off and came over here to do this show. And I don't think at that time Rava wanted Kathy

and now she's like a breakaway star. But at that time I was really about the two of them, and it was that was the beginning of some drama because the two of them were wanted to do some television aspect and it pulled over to the Housewives versus doing something on their own with Kathy. I don't know if you know that. No, I didn't know. I just assumed watching it back, I was like, oh, wow, yeah, it really did start with the two of them. I guess

they didn't something that wasn't going right. There's always a problem with those three, like there's someone's always pickering. So I was like, oh, maybe they weren't getting along with Kathy. At the time, I didn't really under stand, but I was like, wow, it did take me back to how you know, you can't cast things that it always comes through whether it's authentic, and I was like, wow, this is where it all started. Like it's super authentic, super authentic,

and usually play dates of three don't work. It's back in my day in Lascala with Fara at four years old and Kyle. Cathy was like another mother to Kyle. Cathy ran the show. Kyle was a young girl dating Maurice Ceo. I was with her, you know, and during the time that she met him, he was in the garment industry. He wasn't particularly wealthy. He was just working, you know. He had promise and his family came from

a nice family. But Cathy was the one living in Jocqueline Smith's house with like at that time years ago, they had Channel bags. I didn't know what Chanelle bag was like. They had Faberge eggs in their closet and Judith Lieber bags and like, you know, but that was really Cathy was the one who made good, Like she married a Hilton, and Kyle was still finding her way

and young, and Hathy was in charge. Which I think we always feel the same way in Dynamics, and I do sometimes see that with Kyle and Kathy where she's like a little nervous disappoint her and like with Kyle, came in to our own on her own, and I think that upset the apple cart, it did. I wonder what the show would have been like if the three of them had started on that show. Very amazing question. It would they would have come in with Kathy sort of as the boss. And I think when Kathy came

in later, she was coming into Kyle's show. So there's a little bit of deference between Ky and Kathy that always will be there, just like you with a parent or somebody that you know, even if it's people have family dynamics, and even if it's something negative, they always like you could be a billionaire and coward to your father, who is you know, delivering male because there's a dynamic that was set where they're smarter than you, they're better

than they're just like there was a dynamic set early on, and Kathy was the matriarch and Kyle kind of just like wanted her approval and listened and that she shaken up. She was vander Pump. Vander went on to be yes, but I met in their family like she was the boss of the girls. You know, it was like she was the mini big Kathy from my perspective, you still

see that exactly. But when Kyle went off and made her her own decisions and lived her own life with her own husband, that shook it all up between the families, which is you know, and I would I I know where I know a lot of secrets and I will not share any of Kyle's secrets or the family secrets. But I'm saying this is just dynamics, um, and that's okay. Yeah, and that's so and kids coming back. I can't imagine

Kathy won't come back. She for whatever reason. And I talked to Nicky and Paris about like, what the hell she doing this for? But she she likes it. She likes it, and she's a great she's great. And in fairness, she's grown up with Harris being the most famous person in the universe, Nikki being another famous person in that sphere, Kyle becoming super famous, growing up with Kim as a sister who was major child star. But she's the only

one who isn't. Kid points out in this episode every interview. Oh, let's go into it. Okay, So now we have Kim who you she was a real child star and she does point that out a lot. Oh my god, returned to a Witch Mountain, returned to Witch Mountain. That was everything when I was a kid, same like, it was real and she was beautiful And how hard does that have to be? Listen, you've seen every single person in how we've been through being a child star. You've been scrutinized.

You've been famous, you've been less famous, you felt relevant, less relevant. How hard does that have to be with her going from being the one big star she was mcaulay Culkin in her household and in l A. I mean, she had her chance. It could have been her American horror story. She could have had her comeback on The Housewives, saying the Housewives, Yeah, because McAuley Culkin, did you see among American horse story. Yes, that's a great great your smell,

I like your smart that's a great right. This is her chance her Lisa were, uh, you know, yes, interesting, Yes, And I will say and I'm going to defend Kyle, not because we're friends, not. I'm totally straight up one hundred. I've known him for years and I knew she had struggles and there was she was somewhat dramatic and problematic for others in the family, and by and large in this Semmario, Kyle is is mostly right. I don't agree with that how everybody treated him in certain ways, but

Kyle really didn't. She didn't really do anything. But I feel like they went back and saw what they had in this episode and what happens in the limo and what Kim says and what Kyle says, and they went back and asked her the right interview questions. They they asked him the right interview questions. But but on face value, on face value, you have him, I guess didn't speak up and defend Kyle at another dinner, which I understand.

She's a meek person who doesn't. But I understand that in a way because she's a person who doesn't want confidt. That makes that tracks to me? Does that track to you? Yes? So that tracks and so Kyle's going in hard. When I'm considering my mouth Rushmoores, I did now consider Kyle Moore because that was the beginning of this whole ride of house was and I feel like she was bold, like you saw her. She was a little bit like a dog on a bone at that party, Kyle, like

she was saying what she felt. People became more and more guarded in this series. Years later, she was like not guard you know. She was like, I'm a housewife and I'm going to say it. There's the cameras and we're going to go into it now. And I did feel like there were plenty of years were where Kyle kind of stayed even keeled neutral and didn't jump in too much. Now, well, I've thought that too. She had

some time. Yeah, I agree. I agree, and to the point where I would talk to newbies watching the show because I'm an O G watcher and my stepson is twenty four and when he started watching was way into it. He was like, Kyle was boring. And I was like, don't never say that. Kyle is not boring. And then I was like, have you watched from the beginning and he was like no, and I was like, and now he loves Kyle. But there was that moment and yeah,

she really spoke her mind back then. But going back to Kim thing, Yeah, I know, Kim felt like she was meek and she didn't want to say anything in front of people, but Kyle gave her an opportunity. She said, Kim, you were there. You were the only one there. Like she was saying to her, now was your moment? Please? She like gave her that in it's your sister, like even if you don't feel comfortable, you gotta say yeah.

But there was a thing that this is why you kind of go on television with family member in this manner. But there was a saying at the bar where Kim we're talking about the end. It's Taylor's thirty ninth birthday. Um, we're gonna get into the maloof woman because I found that to be something I want to discuss too. But we're on a rooftop party and Kyle comes in and

it just starts right away. She mentioned to the audience and to everybody else that Kim has been drinking, which I didn't find on that night to be a particular problem. She didn't seem wasted at all, no, which was odd because we've seen her like at parties and events who are like, oh, she's wasted. No, she didn't seem at all. So where was that coming from? Then? Right? That was

a thing where I didn't really see that. But there was a moment where Kim is like whatever, I'm paraphrasing, But she looked at Kyle and was like, don't you go there? Like she warned her in a way that you see on certain reunions, and you see with like Jersey reunions of family members like don't you go there?

And I don't know if that was like a foreshadowing to what was happening in the car, or if that's like we're family and don't you get into my addiction, or if it's like don't you get into that I was paying for your house, or like whatever that ship was and then the stuff, but the mother came out like that was I picked you because you're from Beverly Hills, and we picked this episode because it's an iconic episode, and many times these iconic episodes are just these one

scene that just crystallizes so many things, the dynamics and family, and then in this situation, it kind of was irreparable. Like I bet you they still to this day haven't come back from that scene in that limo. They can't.

There's no way, you know, either you forget or you forgive, but you don't do both or either really like you know you just I I don't know in that moment where she said don't you go there, I don't know where she was going, Like it couldn't possibly possibly have been the house, Like why why would that come up?

If it was the addiction thing? It could be. I think it had a little addiction and a little Cathy, like a little christ Jan or a little like don't funk around with the family on this show right now, because when you went to reality show TV, don't forget this was not He just says, we're talking like you said seventeen years now later into reality TV and what we all know is normal, like then the Housewives, wasn't

this phenomenon and what Okay? So back then when you went when I went on and I wanted to be a natural food chep, I thought I was going to be able to not get into any of this personal stuff and just talk about that I wanted to be a natural food chef. And then all my my boyfriend was like, just so all you're seeing just talk about cooking, like immediately you are launched out of a cannon and

into this type of stuff. So I imagine when they signed on and Kathy wasn't part of it, and they had that already dispute about the fact that Kathy, you know, they were going to go off and do another show. Kathy and camera sitting here and we're getting into it. We're already going against the family on national television. So

I think it could have been something like that. Do you think they discussed that before, like Okay, we're gonna do this, We're not gonna discuss anything about the family any past secrets and and was that something Kim was like, Okay, I've had past addiction stuff. I don't want to talk about that pile. Don't ever bring that up. There must have been ground rules within the family set well, like I'm I think probably a little. But also, you don't

know what this show is. It's my show is called Manhattan. Mom's about moms trying to get their kids into school. Like you don't know what the words mean. You've seen Orange County. It was like, like the biggest thing that ever happened on our show is Kelly saying I'm up, you're and you're down here? Now people are you know, sending people to jail like that. It's just not the same level. So I don't know that you can prepare.

And the game starts moving too fast, real fast. I had a scene where I was with a guy I was in a relationship and we were actually talking about moving in but he didn't want to be on TV. And I was like, so why do they can move in together? And he's like, we'll talk about it later. I'm like right and thinking in my head, oh, but the cameras are right there, So let's just say something.

It sounds to drip it in frosting, but but like and knowing that I'm now sweating because the world's gonna say no. But when do you think, like and they're all gonna think he doesn't like love me and I'm gonna feel like a loser, And when do you think he's like, we'll talk about it, Like he must have

said that five times. I was dying inside. The game is moving too fast, like, so that's what I think Kim is going through, Like don't you fucking like, don't go down whatever road you're going down right now, you know. So that's what I think. I don't know if it was necessarily um specific. I also I wrote notes here, I didn't think Kim did anything wrong. I felt like it was disproportionate at that point, the way everyone was coming in to her, it was crazy. Do you feel

like something else was shot didn't make it? I mean they filmed so much not everything makes it obviously like the lead up wasn't with the payoff, like it didn't match up. That's what I thought when the four were standing around her, And but I also thought her saying everyone ganged up on her. They did, but like nothing really happened. What happened, Nothing really happened. Kim came to a party, was a little wasted that we didn't notice.

She didn't support Kyle in New York. Big deal. It wasn't like, and that's what I'm trying to say to you. Back then, Nuance was so big. It wasn't like someone through their leg on a dance floor, you know what I mean, Yes, that's yeah, and now that would be like, yeah, small pennies, but um yeah, like my dad had written the show, like there would have been a scene before something, there would have been a smaller lead up and before the big exactly. So now we're in this freaking limo.

Can you even? But there are these little nuances that I noticed, like when Kim is saying to him can be dramatic, and that I knew from my personal life, like there's just always a thing and you know people you that I always have some big dramatic thing going on, and it's always where things are always happening to them, and there's just always the thing and this person is always pulling focus. That's just personal behind the scenes team.

So when Kyle's in the corner of the car, and she looks over and she's like, what are you doing now? As a reality person? You know where all the cameras have gone. So she knows that there's like a scene going on. The producers have said to her there's something going on in the car. She's in there with the maloof girl and who and the guy heard her one time date. And so Kyle gets in the car and when she's like what, she's basically being like what is that? Like,

what are you doing over here? Like meeting? Pulling a scene to the side, and what are you talk She's like, you can never compare Kyle to Kelly Ben Simone. But when Kelly Ben someone stayed awake later at Scary Island and kept coming down and everyone was like, go to sleep, it was because she knew the people were talking about her, and if she goes to sleep, the scene is still going on, so like, what the hell is going on? So this is not to be compared. I'm just saying

Kyle got in that car. Matt talked to Kim per Se to be like this scene, like what do you what? What are you doing right now? Like what is this over here that you're making a thing out of like what right? That's that was? Like she didn't want whatever drama kid was causing in the corner, like getting the sympathy card from these guys, like that's what was going on. Everyone was mean to me. They picked on me, Like that was that scene too? In my opinion, what do

you think? I mean, you don't think a producer was like, we need to get Kyle in that car right now. Yes, but when she got in, I know, Kyle, why is she? Like what are you doing? Like exactly what was happening? And who was talking? And you know your kid and they're doing something. You're putting out some little act and it's an act and you're just like what do you what are you doing? What are you doing right now? You know? And your kids are like trying to It

was like that. It was like that. So yeah, they got her in there. But when she got into that's what she saw. Um you know what, I love that you have now mentioned Adrian the loof twice, but you call her that maloof girl? What I forgot her name for a minute, and and I had a couple of

things I wanted to say about her. Um, well, we could take a side trip before we get into the house and the mother and the yeah no, because I thought, you know, when I was watching back then, she seemed like she had had a lot of work done to me as a viewer and as I when I was looking back now, I was like, she's really pretty, like I thought Adrian Mouth was very pretty. She had a sparkled her eyes. There was something that I liked about her,

and she had like a soft nature. And I'm finding and watching shows back now, I'm having a I'm um, there's a fondness for characters that I I didn't have a five Alex McCord now, I respect in a different way for being wise and you know, just sitting back sometimes and being poised. And I had that same respect for Adrian because two times I've watched her now like genuinely not wanting to be dealing with this drama. Probably not afraid, she just genuinely doesn't want to deal with it.

I agree with you. I was excited to watch this show when it first came out because I knew Adrian Malouf. We had lived in the same and Paul with lived in the same apartment building. The Wilsher on Wilsher um when I was in my early twenties and I was like, Oh my gosh, they're going to be on this show. So I was excited to watch, and then I was like, I am kind of bored by her, and now watching her back last night, I was like, I want to see more of her. I really like her. I did too.

And it's funny because she was Dave Porten always favorite and that other crazy dinner party from hell because she seemed like she had her wits about her. There's also, after so many years of seeing this, there's something to be said for someone who's not so thirsty for the attention to be grabbing every moment in every scene, and that was admirable. And she and her husband could not stand each other. It was just very hated each other. Oh my god, except people was trying to feed her.

Was that being passed up aggressive THEO because she didn't want to eat? Like? It felt fake. A lot of these relationships and the dynamics between them, whilst being on TV and wanting to be good characters seemed fake. I don't know. I just kept going back to like, oh, he hates her, and then I was like, Oh, he's trying to make her late. I don't know. I'm a Jew. We like to feed people. So she was more turned off. Yes, yeah, you're right, she was not. She thought he was a

big baby, like when he was winding. In another episode, he was winding his daughter had punched him in the face by accident or her son. Some baby punched him in the face and like broke his nose or hurt him. And she she was like crimere River, She's not. She just is not into him. So back when I lived in the apartment building, um no one knows the story, I don't think, but um Adrian Malouf's dog. She had

like a teacup poodle and we had an elevator. And my housekeeper who's still with me, Isabelle, who's been with me since nine years old and worked from my mom since I was thirteen. She's like a grandma to my kids and everything. So we had a very close relationship. And it was Christmas time and she went down to storage to get some ornaments and she came up and

she goes bad news, Mommy. She called me mommy, and I was like, isabel what's wrong, and she's like a dog attacked me in the elevator, and her ankle was getting too severed, a nerve. She still has problems with it to this day. But apparently the elevator stopped on their floor or stopped at the bottom, and she didn't have the dog on a leash. The dog ran in and attacked Isabel and Adrian, who I'm friendly with now, who was so lovely. I don't think she even remembers

this happened way by then. Um, she was like, I'm so sorry, can I get you help? I have to get to an appointment. So she got the valet to come in and attend to Isabel, and then this whole thing went on. I had to take Isabel the hospital and then it was this whole thing. But she wanted Paul to see Isabel, and I was like, isn't it a plastic surgeon And she was like, well, my husband is a doctor. He can look at your ankle. So yeah, that's how I remember them. There was a crazy story.

That's a crazy story. And also though which this is a dynamic, she's clearly the moneyed spouse at that time. Now he's got his own show and he's got his own identity, but at that time, yes, he's a plastic surgery. He's making money in Beverly Hills. No one's crying for him. But she's the maloof and that sticks a good ankle. But maybe he does a good face. I don't know exactly, but he she was the moneyed spouse at that time,

or you know, and that can be emasculating for both parties. Absolutely, you know, it's hard to be your You were the spelling, we are the actress. We all know, you know, we all we know about this. So think about that emasculation level and over compensation, over compensation about it and why? Yeah, like, what can I add to this? I can at least get her something while she's starting on the show and running around and doing all this. I can at least

get her some food. So that was admirable, got it? Oh? I just because I wrote in a watch your step? That was what Kim said to Kyle, watch you watch your step? Watch something Kyle said, you watch your step? Okay, you watch your step? Right? And there was I wrote

down in capital letters. I take copious notes. I wrote down gas lighting because it felt like I wrote down child didn't do anything like either I meant that she didn't do anything wrong or she didn't do anything to help Kim, but I wrote Kim was playing the martyr role. It was this combination of Kim being the martyr, and you know, I thought Kyle didn't do anything him wrong. I think that's what I thought. I thought him was a little bit of a martyr. I was like, it

wasn't It wasn't entirely anyone's fault. That that's my my point. Like Kim was a baby, But I didn't think that it was all one way. It just seemed like there was other stuff we weren't getting in the in between. And then the limo fly popped off. Well, definitely, it all started with Taylor. I mean, let's let's be honest. Taylor was like, oh this first of all, when Russell said it's her thirtieth birthday, I was like thirty, and

I had him almost believed it. Yeah, I did, and felt bad about myself for a second because we're all human. But I was like, shoot, she's only thirty in this and then there and I was like okay, okay, but the party was just okay. So that's a lot of pressure. So Taylor's like, well, how can I kick it up and notch? Well, this is my go to storyline. So I got to jump in and attack Kim. I mean she as hacker, but she went back in and brought it up. I wouldn't be doing that on my birthday party.

I'd be like, I just wanna have a good time. I don't want to rehash old stuff with somebody. But well you wouldn't. Also, you wouldn't be rude to a guest, which is where reality TV becomes non reality TV, because there are a bunch of producers, a bunch of cameras. You'll if you're good at your job, you know, if nothing's happening, you're feeling self conscious and aware of the surroundings. And unlike nine o two on Oh, there's no right writing, so it's something has to happen in a scene. And

so Taylor is a better housewife. Then we gave her credit for probably because she seemed to be lighting a flame and that her on birthday. But in real life, you wouldn't at your birthday party, or if you're a host on your own show, someone comes in, you're not gonna attack somebody at your party. It happened at the Jersey Baptism. Joe Gorga attacks Teresa verbally and then attacks

her husband physically, her kids baptism. So that's where it happened, right, actresses, You have actresses and you have reality television at a birthday party, right, So she was doing her job. Okay, Yeah, So she was doing her job and Kim, you know, does a little bit of this victim thing, which she always does, which she always does, and then it comes out Kyle's pushed. What pushes her? She said. She says something to Kaim like, don't do this, don't do this,

something about oh. She says, mom died worrying about you, which tracks by the way, I believe it, like not, I believe that. I believe it, and Kyle really was close to her mom. I was friend to Kyle when Kyle lived with Fara in Big Cathy's apartment on South Swall, South Wall, so we I used to go in my Ford probe after working as Scala over to Kyle's upstairs hang out with Kathy, smoking cigarettes, showing us the jewelry

in our mannai'se jar. Kyle had the big giant Mercedes and the big and the Chanelle Burt bag and went to Lascala every day for the chop cell with with Kathy and we used to hang out and go to the Gate that club, the gate Gate and Bar One and that's when she met Mauricio and she always liked to have fun Kyle, So that was my error. And Kim splits back then. No, I never saw them back then. It's funny you said that. Funny you said that, but I don't remember. I think Faye was in the mix

then and they still buddy. She grew up knowing Michael Jackson. She was best friends of Moon Zappa, Like you know, I was dating down by being friends with me. You know, she was. She knew everybody and was everybody, and um, I you know that it's a thing friending down. I've never heard. I just made it up. Yeah she was, she was friending down. Yeah. But there was stuff with Kim back then too, like it was always. She had

had a tragedy. She had the bad divorce with Greg Davis that went on millions of dollars and years trying to get her kids. Yeah, and then there was another the mom Auntie the father saw a show. Who I mean, she's had a rough life and she was a child star who peeked and then couldn't be self sufficient. So she always was, you know, had some sadness and it was something that weighed down the family. So now she's saying mom died worrying about you, So Kim is somebody

to worry about. You know, that was something that that happened, and that's a big thing to throw at somebody. Though. Good for you. You're right, Tori Spelling. That's ah, you're right, because you know what. It took me to a place where I was like, God, if someone has ever said, you know, your dad died worried about you, or what would happen to you? Like not that I was in

Kim same place, but like just worried about my life. Ah, God, that would be I wouldn't went to the bar and just started chugging at that point, because that's major national TV. That's huge sore because you want to say that you want to talk about that moment, right, you're in that moment still, and I'm like, on the whole, you're right, like I am just going moving forward in the seat.

You can't that's something back you can't take back. And if you really look at that one line, and I'm just realizing this too, as we're talking because at the time I was like watching it last night, I was like, oh, I'm all pro Kyle, and I adore Kyle in real life, so I'm like, but that whole scene that happens in the limo, it's all justified. Like after saying something like that mom died worrying about you, Well, that's why. And people always say, like they say that I flashed the Housewives.

What I say stuff Megan Marco. I will talk about the decisions that she's made. The only thing I've ever really said it's a character assassination. Was one cast member that I won't say again on Housewives. But I'm not like, you're ugly, like this person looks like like I don't go for the juggular. I may say something that's snarky or me, but I don't. They went, that's going to the mattresses, that's going below the belt. You're right. And it's funny because I was watching This is Us with Broom.

We haven't finished yet, and um, Justin Hartley's character said to the other actor he plays Randall said to him, No, that wasn't the worst day in my life when dad That the worst day when of my life was when they brought you home from the hospital. He was the kid dropped at the fire station and and they said that he brought you home from the hospital, which I thought to myself, you can't come. That's a that's a that's gonna right. You're right, she said to Kim. And

it was. It wasn't a ten yet, it wasn't you're right. It didn't warrant that comment. Kim hadn't said anything to warrant Mom died worrying about you. That's a comment, right, you could have said, Mom used to worry about you. That was always like you could choose your words. Died worrying about you? It was, it was, And the award goes she respelling. She must have known that that would just send on a spiral. It would have sent anyone on a spiral. Wow, you're so okay. So and that's

what happens in life. And I try to tell my daughter this where I say to her keep it at fifty five. You could be right and say something wrong and you become wrong. Yeah, and then that's all people focus on, is that one thing that you're like, why did I phrase it that way? Way? I could have said it different. I could have not said that one thing, because then it negates the whole thing when you say that one thing. But then what did Kim say, because

then Kyle went back in about you're an alcoholic. What did Kim then say, I don't remember producers? What what was what made her crawl across the car? So Kyle saying, after everything that I've done for you, everything I've done for you, I'm always there for you. And then Kim goes everything you've done for me, and Kyle says, yeah, yeah, everything I've done for you. And then she says, you stole my house exactly. I knew it, okay, and that was that Okay. Wait, Kim says, you sold much as

I knew. Something happened that Kyle flew across the limo. So because it was a moment there was like the moment wasn't even mom died caring about you. It was like Kim was upset. But the moment that the thing popped, the champagne and the limo pop was Kim said, you stole my house, And you're right. There's something with a house in Palm Springs. There's something with the payment and the payment or the mom's house. There's a drama with the Kathy says. She said, and I remember this, they

were paying for or bought a house. It was like almost two one million dollars or something because it was Maurice too, and he wasn't making it like he is now then and she went crazy being like we've been paying for you and like a second wife, and Maurice is taking care of you. And that's when the ship went sideways and Kyle crawled across the car. Again, you're on reality TV. You don't know what the audience is going to think of sister saying you stole my house,

Like you don't know what you know? Forget the truth, even though the truth is that she probably she didn't steal her house, but whatever, you know, and that game is moving fast. If you ever get on the show's tory spelling, you need to know that the game has moved being fast and America has is thinking right now when it gets edited, you stole her house. So Kyle's like, you're an alcoholic and flies across the limo. Yeah, discrediting anything she said, But why didn't she want her to

say that or she didn't care it was just wrong? Well, it's a pretty big accusation for someone to say you stole my house. I mean, I don't remember what was ever resolved, but there's a big ocean between you stole my house and Kyle is saying that Maurice has been paying for Kyle for Kim to live for years. So I don't know if that came as his second wife,

right that sounds different than stealing. I believe because things happen with wills and family dynamsts, that Kim is Kim and doesn't have the same income and had a house probably that she probably stayed in or was kind of hers when her mother was alive, and her mother passed away an hour in a state, which my best friend is going through this right now, and I don't know this for I believe, being a businesswoman, that there was an estate and it's not a charity or a gift,

or if that's been your house that you've stayed in, or maybe you were left part of it, but maybe you can't pay for your part. And I don't think none of this is something that I know for a fact.

I'm just speculating. Heart. I feel like I've heard other combos and it's part Okay, so you all in part of a house has been left or you stayed there, but now you have multiple siblings that the house has maybe even left to or left to another sibling, and so now this is no longer your residence anymore because it's part of a a state. So maybe they chose to sell it. Maybe they're not. It's not a charity, that's what I think. But someone passes away, things change

in family dynamics. That's what I'm gonna garner based on knowing what I saw and what I know on my own. What do you think? Probably right? I feel like there's something that house has been mentioned that wasn't the last time this house was mentioned. In modern day, it's still mentioned. It's come up, or maybe it's come up and press. I don't know. It could just be that interesting. Yeah, I would probably say that's a big line. You stole my house, and probably it was you can't steal. Guess

what you can't steal someone's house? You can't. I can't. I'd like to go steal your the house, your throught you grew up in. Can I'm gonna listen to me too, because I have the gift room and I gave out three hundred gifts, but I would like whatever that gift room was, like, that's what I done. You and my mom should wrap gifts together. I have a gift room. I'm not I want to read a trapping, but you don't understand. I have three hundred gifts, I have cubbies,

I have a wrapping station. I did not around with my gifts. So I am for I am a mini candy smelling like I definitely am. I have a I have I've been prepped since October we started the gifts. I don't play with the gifts. Okay, shouldn't steal that house though together. If they had stolen a house, they'd also have gone to jail taking turns because they didn't steal it. So what she means probably is that she financially could not do her part. They had to buy

her out or whatever they did. But in her heart, she feels like that stealing because they should have just given it to her. She feels like back to her to to Kyle saying I've always taken care of you. Mauricio was taking care of you. So she feels on some level because she worked as a kid, which isn't Kyle's problem that they should just give her stuff maybe, and also if he's been generous with her, but that might be like helping her out a little. That's not

buying her a house, and he's not. He's not supposed to buy her a house. She's living her own life. She paid, he paid her rent, he paid for everything for her, right. I don't know. I thought that's what Kyle was saying. Okay, so he'd no. I think that's what it was. But I also don't think that that equals buying some of the house, and nor should it.

But I think that's what it's like. You made me move out of my house for all I've done for you, and we're sisters and whatever, and I'm sure, like anything, there are three sides to every store and you can split the difference. But you know, I've given you guys straight tea and I would and when I saw that we were this was the producer's idea to do this one, and I'm like, oh, ship, because I know Kyle for years and you know she's a sensible person, and that's

what I honestly, that's what I think. We're very close to the truth on this today. I really did. Um, But I will say, Lisa, did you know the Bobby Fisher thing and being the person that sort of seemed like the matriarch of that show, the Carol Manze of that show. I did see with her. With Taylor, she had that vibe like that she's a senior partner, and it almost seemed like Taylor this was the first season,

wasn't it? Taylor was an original house Okay? Because it felt it felt like Taylor was Sonya season two coming in and Lisa was telling her how it's gonna go. It felt a little like she and your partner, didn't She seem like, but do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, But she was coming in and she was like, here's how it works around here, and you're not gonna and Taylor was like okay. She said okay to her, she was like, yeah, you're getting a little scolded right now.

I thought I thought that was that was one for the ages, And then, um, I actually care about this as a concept because I talked about it and watch it happens live that Camille didn't go to that big party and Modern Day Housewives they don't let you miss anything, And I think it's a mistake. I think they don't let you miss anything of less it's like COVID. I think missing things are good because it adds to the

dynamic of what's going on in Scary Island. I didn't go to the Creepy Beach photo shoot, and I think that was good. At certain times, someone misses a reunion, Like I've seen that real life people miss things, and in reality TV it's become that they make you go to everything because they worry. And I think that back in that era of the Housewives, people would miss things because it was just real. I'm getting divorced, I'm missing

this thing. But now that we've talked about the Camille back story a little bit and what we speculate could be, like, do you really think she would have missed it? Like was that real? Or was there no way to drive that narrative if they didn't have her alone because there were bigger things happening at a party. Right, you're saying, again a good one, Tory. You're saying, maybe something very serious what was going down for her to miss that party, or maybe it came out in the media that he

had a girlfriend. I just have a hard time believing that she didn't know he had any kind of girlfriend. But I don't know anything, and I don't know her, and God bless and praise be. But may maybe sometimes it's not. Maybe she thought it wasn't a good look to be at the party when she I don't know what had just dropped. I don't know. I can't. I can't speak on it that you know, you know how that is. Yeah, now you can't go out right now, you're the scored woman. You gotta stay home, Laylo. I'm

gonna get a follow up. I'm gonna find out from the producers and see if any of what we're saying in the press. Yes, oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah, we're gonna go back and you don't have that opportunity. But now you can go back and be like, I'm gonna go back and do a do do a what what an autopsy? On episode? Okay, Nancy Drew, I believe in you. You're mate. I'm so I feel like we're gonna be friends now. Like I love you. I always thought i'd love you, and this solidifies that. I love you.

Thank you, Tori Spelling, Thank you